@@deebeautiful84 and that is a reason to kill him and the mother ? Are you serious? They are murderers with another intention which was inheritance. They thought they could get away with it and the parents taught them that.
@@MoBahar687 several family members and friends testified that they always had money, money was never an issue. The money as motivation was a theory ruled out very quickly in both of the trials because lack of evidence. However the story that made the most sense and had the most proof was the abuse!
I feel like this documentary is so biased and aimed to make the brothers look even crazier. Murder is never ok I understand that but I definitely feel for these young boys and can’t imagine what they want through. Just because they grew up rich doesn’t mean that their lives were perfect and definitely does mean that they weren’t abused. We can never truly know what goes on in someone’s family behind closed doors ..
People think that "crazy" or unstable people just wake up one day and have lost their mind that almost never happens it usually is a process and can reach it's height in teen years and abuse and trauma is usually part of this unravelling
@@fmpur9572 Just because you wish otherwise doesn't change the fact that they are in deed murders. Not only were they each convicted of two counts of first-degree murder, they were convicted of conspiracy to commit murder and lying in wait. Planning a murder(s) and/or ambushing your target(s) while you are not in immediate danger is unlawful in the eyes of the law and to most people with a conscience those are both unacceptable actions. We don't live in a world where vigilantism, retaliation, or "what ifs" equate to justifiable homicide.
@@_SnowJustice_ The Menendez fortune and estate was long gone before their second trial. That's why Lyle had a public defender and Erik's attorney was compensated by the state.
@@toc7olwn680 What the brothers didn't spend went to pay off owed debt and the legal fees from their first trial. In the U.S. you aren't able to receive an inheritance of you are convicted of the murder in which you are the beneficiary.
@@_SnowJustice_ The fact that your comment has 22 likes when it is 100% false is proof that you and the rest of these Menendez brothers supporters haven't a modicum of credibility. Literally the blind leading the blind.
They found the dogs head in the refrigerator??!!! You can just tell there were so much things that happened in these kids lives that led them even capable of murder! I agree some prison time is probably reasonable... But life??!!! Heinous
They are lucky that the State of California didn't execute them. They are exactly where they belong. It was premeditated, cold-blooded homicide. The only thing they feared was being removed from the will.
@j T wow, you are so lucky to be SO close to Lyle and Erik that you know everything about them and what they think and do! Because you must be close to them to make such a confident comment about their thoughts and actions...right?
Eric is scary! I believe the horrific abuse by the parents created a monster... they turned that boy into a psychopath. I watched his entire court testimony. He's maniputive and smirked while describing the killings... he is a very damaged and dangerous individual. It's not his fault, his parents created a monster with there abuse. I believe the jury saw what I saw during his testimony, that's why they convicted. Although he is a victim he is now old enough to be a perpetrator, it's highly possible Eric would continue to commit crimes and murder somebody else. The parents were killed by the monsters their abuse created! They made this boy become a psychopathic man. Its not his fault but unfortunately he needs to be in prison for the safety of society!
The fact that as children they told their cousins that their father had been touching them there is no doubt to me that happened and that's a really difficult thing for a child to do.
If my eight year old son told me his father was touching him, I’d immediately believe him and prosecute. Kids don’t say that type of thing unless it’s true. There mother was was a major idiot for ignoring that.
True what you say about kids. But I must say that some kids under the age of 8 will say some crazy stuff though it's not true, because they heard it somewhere (movies, babysitters, school, etc.), and they do it out of innocence but it turns out affecting some people, so my point is some kids are more mature for their age and speak things that you wouldn't even imagine from a kid their age, some things true some not 🤷🏻♀️
@@nicolejacobsoncovers agreed. she was taking Xanax, sneakin booze and making sure guests never ventured upstairs when Jose was around or the doors were shut. she was as guilty as he was.
how dare that man to say they killed their parents for ensurance money and that they were spoiled kids spinning out of control??!!!!! they were abused in so many ways how dare he
Yep it’s because they don’t want to brothers to be released because of fear that it would encourage future cases like this. To say being abused in some way is an excuse for murder. Which it isn’t. Also keep in mind the brothers didn’t say it was justified.
Google the 83 year old man just released from prison after serving 68 YEARS. Compare his crime to the crimes of these brothers then talk about what is UNJUST. This goes on everyday in America. And yet... no one says a word.
I believe them! The mom wasn't popping pills just because if their rebellion. What kind of parents cut off their dogs head? He, the dad was a sick sob and no one came to save them.
@@terrenv6405 They won’t get out the new law that would doesn’t apply to inmates serving life without parole. Also seeing as how all of their other appeals have been exhausted.
@@imtheonehero9305 they're are not bad kids they have just made a wrong decision but when put in a tough situation many times you don't am,e the right decision
WTF? They casually went over the fact that the parents killed a dog , beheaded it and kept it in the fridge?!!!! Any one capable of that is definitely capable of WAAAY worse 🤮
It is very believable actually that their father did that to them. That is how they became psychopaths. They got sexually abused and lost their innocence as well as their humanity.
The worst thing, THE WORST THING that can happen to anyone as a person - apart from having to bury your own child - is to be violated by your parents like these boys were. Your nuclear family teaches you everything about life and the world and who you are. Being beaten or neglected by that nucleus is one thing - but being specifically SEXUALLY violated informs you at a young age that you have no power, you have no value, you have no autonomy and you have no safe haven emotionally; once you have been violated like that, you can never get away. These boys didn't have a CHANCE to end up any different than this.
Robert just likes the interviews, the attention and money . he's getting from the book. He likes his name right next to their . He's not really doing anything to help try them get out . He knows the real story but instead of tell the whole story in interviews but just gives a little here and there then promotes the book.
This program was just taking excerpts from an earlier documentary in 2017 (which was before his book was published). Robert Rand is not responsible for how either program was edited, and he has given many interviews over the years. He was also a consultant on the Law & Order miniseries on the case which is the fairest and most balanced TV movie/miniseries ever produced on this case. He has been researching this case since 1989 and is the only reporter to have covered both trials. In the afterward of his book, he explains why it took him so long, and he wanted to have as much factual research as possible. Moreover, the family members trust him and helped him with the book.
The uncle saying there were no indications that abuse was going on…. Excuse me??? Why do you think the boys were acting out & getting in so much trouble. The parents said it was because they were spoiled…Hmmm….maybe it’s because they were so damaged from years of their parent’s abuse! 🤷🏻♀️
As is pointed out in the documentary people in those days didn't connect the dots to sexual abuse in a family, especially between males. It was taboo. You just didn't talk about it.
I just want to say, Lyle told his cousin that he was being touched by his father at 8 years old. Which means is true and that was way before Eric wrote the script with his friend.
I hate that the uncle are still bringing down these 2 and protecting the parents. For that reason we keep seeing things crazy happening and not knowing why. The whole entire family heard about the abuse probably before the killing happened and they just did not care enough. Sick
He has passed away now but his son actually lived with the family for a few summers when he was a kid and he confirmed that there was physical and verbal abuse going on and that Kitty would fly into unpredictable rages, and that Jose frequently showered with his sons.
Erik writing that script was a coping mechanism and way to deal with the abuse he was experiencing by his father since he felt totally powerless and trapped in his life and literally had no other way to fight back.
It's just a matter of time when these two guys being abused would assert themselves. They are growing up and their father is getting old. They realize they can live without those millions from their father. That freedom is more desirable than be held captive in that situation.
Yea because she was definitely changing her will while her freinds there, the exact time her friends over, in the middle and of the day and just left on her computer😐
Why not? Changing will in front of a witness, - sounds about right. You know, just in case of certain someone decides to, I don't know... Delete it. What is known, according to several sources, is that there was a reference to a will in the computer, located in an upstairs bedroom of the Menendez home. The reference to the will was contained in a file name on a computer disk. Shortly after the slayings, a member of the Menendez family discovered the reference and attempted to view the file, these sources said. But the relative was unable to do so and made plans to hire a computer expert. Before that expert could act, however, the file was deleted from the disk in such a way that it could not be recovered by police experts, according to those sources. Asked about the possibility of a second will, the Menendezes’ probate attorney, Stephen B. Goldberg of Redondo Beach, said: “I don’t know anything about that and we’ve got a will and I don’t want any problems with it.” Acting on Goldberg’s advice, the Menendez brothers have so far declined to comment on the computer mystery. Their parents’ will has been filed in Santa Monica Superior Court and is expected to be settled early next year, according to Goldberg. It states that Jose and Kitty Menendez bequeathed their estates to each other but, in the event that “we should die in a common disaster,” the entire estate is to be turned over to Lyle and Erik Menendez. Source: www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-12-05-mn-177-story.html
Okay…. They were doing very well financially with their parents alive. They didn’t need their parents to be dead in order to benefit from their money. They were already doing very well benefiting from their parents money while their parents were still alive. They had been their whole lives. And without the risk of prison. I do not believe money was the motive at all. They already had that. Fear and abuse was the motive. For goodness sake they had cousins and other family members and friends testify backing up their stories and had the naked pictures their dad took of them when they were kids, their was tons of evidence
so a 8 year old boy says he's being molested and the mother just doesn't believe it? she could have investigated it herself for crying out loud *YOU LIVE N THE SAME DARN HOUSE* how can something like that get unnoticed ? and I'm sure the sexual molestation is real because a cousin said in a interview that one of the brother's asked him if "you dad touching you there was normal" and now here another person says the boy told her. it blows my mind how they kept this thing quit for what i assume keeping their image clean. the mother seems to be afraid to confront the father so she was taking pills to calm herself. Still staying put knowing what your child is going through is an act of pure heinous. And after the brother knowing they were going to be deprived from their heritage that was the last straw. they were stripped away from their innocence, rejected by their mother and was going to be left alone. after knowing that killing your parents doesn't seem that unreasonable. what they did was wrong 100% but that doesn't mean that they were the only criminals edit: ( just saw part 5) i fucking knew it that bitch of a mother knew all along that her son was being molested and she did nothing. *she deserves hell*
Very interesting story...I followed the trial daily and felt very sorry for the brothers Mendendez...so I favor their release...its been 30+ years in jail. Their father was a tyrant and mother was a drunk, who did not defend or try to help them get away from their dad. Please judges, parole them, and let them find their lives before its over.
I think Eric and Lyle Menenedez belong under the jail not in it. How horrble is it to kill your own parents because u want their money and then tell the most discusting pack of lies to try and get away with murder
4:42 I agree with this. There is still an element of greed to it but I think majority of it is the abuse of the parents. They were as cold as they get I’m sure
I am so upset that they are making the brothers out to be the monsters. Their father mentally, physically, and emotionally abused them. This is the only time I will try and justify a murder, they were trying to escape their abuser and the abusers bystander.
@@LeenaStark 1. They grew up in a rigorously controlled environment, and even as young adults, their parents still watched them closely, so they had very little real-world experience. 2. Their father was wealthy and powerful, and they knew he would not let them go and could easily find them if he wanted. 3. They didn't think anyone would believe them and they didn't think they could survive in the real world. Just because you were able to leave (and good for you), that doesn't mean that everyone feels they can. Not every situation is the same, and there are other people who have killed their abusers and got lighter sentences.
so it’s like if you’re born into a wealthy household the fact that your parents abused you in any ways is pretty much ok? and I see people keep bringing up the fact that they celebrated and stuff, bruh, would u not celebrate if for the 1st time in your life you’re finally free? so what if their father was fking rich? were they suppose to feel happy while being molested ‘cause he was rich??
I believe their story of abuse. I don’t think they were making that up. Sadly it sounds like they went through some tough times growing up and that contributed to their breakdown. Murder is never the answer to anything, and they should have approached things differently.
CRAIG CIGNARELLI YOU LIAR! YOU AND ERIK BOTH WROTE THAT SCREENPLAY AND YOU CAME UP WITH A LOT OF THE IDEAS!!!!! THIS IS THE REASON WHY THE SCREENPLAY WAS NEVER USED AS A RELIABLE EVIDENCE
I feel like they left out a crucial part in these series. If the brothers' story about the abuse is true, which it seems to be, you'd have to look at their father's history, as well. These things usually don't just 'happen'. I think that if their father abused them, then something must've happened in his childhood, presumably with his father, too. They should've also investigated in that, in my opinion... Maybe their grandfather treated their father in the same way when he was a kid and that treatment stuck to him, which would make a lot of sense, especially in a psychological way, if you'd ask me...
Some of the experts in the trial actually looked into their parents’ pasts when evaluating the brothers. They did find out that Kitty was abused and her parents were divorced (definetely more that I don’t remember), but with Jose they couldn’t find much other than overindulgence, however I read somewhere that one of his sisters saw the mother doing sone sexual things to him (don’t know if it’s true) and I think Jose’s father looks a little suspicious..
The brothers were “acting out” from all the garbage that was going on in their home. They’re making them sound like spoiled rich kids! They had NO IDEA what mommy and daddy dearest were doing to them!!! Hope they didn’t testify with their skewed perspective!
Raised in a sick & abusive household and being raped when still a child is perhaps a part of an explanation of murder. It is never NEVER a justification or excuse. I know this. As for these brothers, it is possible (and necessary) to condemn them for what they have done, while still holding compassion for their pain.
all of these people are so disgustingly ignorant it makes me so angry.. these boys were ABUSED and no one can even take two seconds to put themselves in their shoes. no kid should kill their parents BUT THEY DESERVED IT. that is not how you treat your child as a mother and i pray these poor men get justice. all the people covering for their parents are sick
no one seems to have questioned either that Lyle, a young man in his prime was losing his hair.... severe stress I would imagine as a result of trauma... telling the cousins what had happened at such a young age .. these boys certainly suffered a great deal. Horrific... and the dog... so many things,from this highly dysfunctional family. Sadly Kitty was complicit in all of this because she was a weak woman. I truly hope that these men will finally be released.
As a writer, you write and day dream and Erik is no different. All the years and abuse he endured im sure many times he dreamed it would stop and the only way he felt like it could stop was if he killed him. But this is also his Father and psychologically he cant tell anyone about the abuse to hold his family's reputation and honor so what else would he kill him for? Money everyone could believe that over believing he is being abused. Its psychology 101 😅
Why is everyone here giving opinions? No real evidence you have a RANDOM photographer that didn’t really know Eric and never even MET LYLE and he is giving opinions in a “documentary” about why he thinks they did it? Just ignoring the REAL evidence of abuse the family brought up? Disgusting.
Putting the dogs head in the frig must be an intimation tactic. If the dog gets punished that way imagine the children! They were grown men and thats why most people thought they were evil but they must be angels to put up with so much for so long. They were thinking now we are grown we will go to college and no more abuse but that was not the case.
I feel like when they confronted their father regarding the molestation, they became more fearful for their lives hence buying the gun for self defense thinking their dad might kill them so the truth will be untold. However, somewhere there, it all changed.
What the hell, the toupee thing was the most random thing I heard it’s almost laughable how these ppl painting the brothers as villains thought this was masterful way to transition the narrative 😭😭 THE BEHEADED DOG AND MOLESTATION DONE BY THE FATHER IS OF MORE DAMNING CONCERN SMH
The toupee is important because it's literally the (supposed) smoking gun that kicked off the murders. I agree, it's the most stupidest, contrived bullshit I've ever heard from a defense, but this is literally what the brothers and their defense counsels were trying to sell to the juries during the trials. The mother ripping Lyle's hairpiece off sounds more like something you'd see on an episode of Melrose Place than an actual prelude to double murder. It amazes me that people who support them buy this hook, line, and sinker but they do.
I'm not defending what the brothers did but how can anyone tell their stories of what went on it that house? Nobody was there but them. The uncle pissed me off because how can you say them being molested by their father isn't true? No wonder they acted the way they did. How you gone tell them what did or didn't happen to them? Its just weird. No, them murdering their parents is not justified but what their father did to them is not justified either. Just because he's not on this earth anymore, does not mean he shouldn't be held accountable. The mother too. Cause she knew & chose not to believe it. That whole family was just messed up. I wouldn't be surprised if the uncle was a creep too.
Is there any doubt that if Jose had found the screenplay, that he wouldn't have done something extreme?? Possibly he would have murdered them instead. Where is justice there?? There is no justice at all in any of this. The resentment of the parents against the kids they broke is the height of hubris.
I’ve been flipping through these episodes after the first one briefly showed the sexual abuse they experienced and none of these Episodes actually go further… did they receive treatment ? Did they see a psychologist?
How the hell can these two beautiful men-souls, still be in prison after all that happened to both of them? I’m really sad and really sorry for them! Does anyone knows when they’re gonna be released?
Let's unpack: They planned out the murder of their parents in advance. They got rid of the crime scene evidence to cover up their involvement. And then, they fabricated their alibi to innoculate themselves from suspicion. If you can't figure out why these two "beautiful men-souls" are in prison, you need to get your head straightened out. Seriously, did you get all your knowledge of criminal justice from episodes of Full House and any family sitcom in general? And if you were actually engaged in this case on a meaningful level, you'd know that they were sentenced to life without parole. So what this tells me is that you got ensnared into this case by watching Tiktok videos. So tell me, Irini K, do you think you've fallen in love with a criminal?
@@jstephenj I believe their story of abuse, and it sounds like they had been through some really tough childhood. Murder is not the solution, they should have approach things differently. That’s what I believe. Regarding TikTok videos, I haven’t seen any and I do not know the case from tik tok if that’s what you wanna know
Everything isn’t so black and white for god’s sake. Its not either a) they are poor innocent victims of abuse b) they are spoiler rich money-hungry murderers They had a horrible mixture of circumstances that can bring the worst out of any of us. What they did is not good, but it takes just a little empathy to understand. And yeah they might’ve been a bit spoiled, self-centered, and whatever else, but how would you grow up to be if all love and human connection was taken away from you?
Why is this documentary making it the brothers sound crazy and spoiled. Yes they did murder their parents but i guess we all know why they killed them.
The only credible motive he could have written about at that time was the insurance money; He did want to kill his parents but he could have never written a script about a boy been so horribly abused by his dad. His worst nightmare was that people knew about his parent's abuse. Yes, parents, because his mom was an accomplice.
I believe them 💯, how can they explain that Jose Menendez own sister testified how cruel and mean he was with those kids since they where toddlers. People can say whatever they want, but the fact that the closest family members defended testified on their behalf and gave so many details , they were abused to an unexplainable its hard for some to understand.
see what i don't understand is that the time they told their story was a time which wasn't openly and fully socially acceptable for men to be sexually abused. Like i remember one of the judges basically said "men cant get raped". They wouldn't fabricate this kind of story.
Umm excuse me?!! Are we just gonna ignore the fact that the parents murdered the dog, beheaded him and put his head in the fridge?!!? What the f?!!
@Tom Edwards It’s in this video ....
Exactly. If someone could be so cruel he was definitely an abusive father.
@@deebeautiful84 and that is a reason to kill him and the mother ? Are you serious? They are murderers with another intention which was inheritance. They thought they could get away with it and the parents taught them that.
@@MoBahar687 if the father raped them and the mom knew than Yes!!! They deserve death.
@@MoBahar687 several family members and friends testified that they always had money, money was never an issue. The money as motivation was a theory ruled out very quickly in both of the trials because lack of evidence. However the story that made the most sense and had the most proof was the abuse!
I feel like this documentary is so biased and aimed to make the brothers look even crazier. Murder is never ok I understand that but I definitely feel for these young boys and can’t imagine what they want through. Just because they grew up rich doesn’t mean that their lives were perfect and definitely does mean that they weren’t abused. We can never truly know what goes on in someone’s family behind closed doors ..
I disagree. Murder at times is justified. Is so justified that war still exists.
People think that "crazy" or unstable people just wake up one day and have lost their mind that almost never happens it usually is a process and can reach it's height in teen years and abuse and trauma is usually part of this unravelling
The premise so many people look at these situations is "I would never". Most murderers - MOST - didn't grow up dreaming of committing homicide.
It is so speculative and tabloid-y and tries hard to be 'juicy'. It's repulsive.
Embarrassing.
The father showed them how to treat people and created his own murderers.
They not murder it’s only Justice
@@fmpur9572 Just because you wish otherwise doesn't change the fact that they are in deed murders. Not only were they each convicted of two counts of first-degree murder, they were convicted of conspiracy to commit murder and lying in wait. Planning a murder(s) and/or ambushing your target(s) while you are not in immediate danger is unlawful in the eyes of the law and to most people with a conscience those are both unacceptable actions. We don't live in a world where vigilantism, retaliation, or "what ifs" equate to justifiable homicide.
@@IanWhiddett I concur with your beliefs
@@kaylinwhite6584 I appreciate you!
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That poor kid was losing his hair from stress. This whole situation is so sad. Kitty’s brother is a sicko for still covering for them.
the sick uncle wants Jose's fortune to himself, that's why he did not support his nephews. If the brothers are in for life, who gets the estate? Aaah
@@_SnowJustice_ The Menendez fortune and estate was long gone before their second trial. That's why Lyle had a public defender and Erik's attorney was compensated by the state.
@@IanWhiddett why was it gone? Why did the brothers not inherit it?
@@toc7olwn680 What the brothers didn't spend went to pay off owed debt and the legal fees from their first trial. In the U.S. you aren't able to receive an inheritance of you are convicted of the murder in which you are the beneficiary.
@@_SnowJustice_ The fact that your comment has 22 likes when it is 100% false is proof that you and the rest of these Menendez brothers supporters haven't a modicum of credibility. Literally the blind leading the blind.
They found the dogs head in the refrigerator??!!! You can just tell there were so much things that happened in these kids lives that led them even capable of murder! I agree some prison time is probably reasonable... But life??!!! Heinous
You get life when you murder both tour parents. It’s a shame no one will ever know the truth. Those boys are both manipulative .
They are lucky that the State of California didn't execute them. They are exactly where they belong. It was premeditated, cold-blooded homicide. The only thing they feared was being removed from the will.
@j T wow, you are so lucky to be SO close to Lyle and Erik that you know everything about them and what they think and do! Because you must be close to them to make such a confident comment about their thoughts and actions...right?
It's not that simple JT
Watch the video first
And listen very carefully and use your brain
@@sarahpowpow777 I've heard more persuasive arguments from tabloids at the grocery market. Get a grip.
This is where this stuff gets on my nerves they were sexually abused for so long but that doesn't matter apparently
Watch the previous eps
@@Hello-vx2ol the ones where the pundits lie through their teeth?
@@TH-camChannel-ll6sw huh? Who the brothers lied through there teeth?
And then punishing the victims. Disgraceful.
Eric is scary! I believe the horrific abuse by the parents created a monster... they turned that boy into a psychopath. I watched his entire court testimony. He's maniputive and smirked while describing the killings... he is a very damaged and dangerous individual. It's not his fault, his parents created a monster with there abuse. I believe the jury saw what I saw during his testimony, that's why they convicted. Although he is a victim he is now old enough to be a perpetrator, it's highly possible Eric would continue to commit crimes and murder somebody else. The parents were killed by the monsters their abuse created! They made this boy become a psychopathic man. Its not his fault but unfortunately he needs to be in prison for the safety of society!
they messed up kids, pushed them to the wall, and the kids reacted.
They should not have gotten life imprisonment.
glad that im not the only one who thinks this
despite all the things that happened murder is still murder, sadly thats how the law works
@@Shambles844 cool
@@Shambles844 it is not.
I agree!
The fact that as children they told their cousins that their father had been touching them there is no doubt to me that happened and that's a really difficult thing for a child to do.
If my eight year old son told me his father was touching him, I’d immediately believe him and prosecute. Kids don’t say that type of thing unless it’s true. There mother was was a major idiot for ignoring that.
Yes got sure. She was sick, twisted herself most probably narcissistic
True what you say about kids. But I must say that some kids under the age of 8 will say some crazy stuff though it's not true, because they heard it somewhere (movies, babysitters, school, etc.), and they do it out of innocence but it turns out affecting some people, so my point is some kids are more mature for their age and speak things that you wouldn't even imagine from a kid their age, some things true some not 🤷🏻♀️
@@nicolejacobsoncovers agreed. she was taking Xanax, sneakin booze and making sure guests never ventured upstairs when Jose was around or the doors were shut. she was as guilty as he was.
She knew all the time but prefer to ignore because of the money
She didnt care for them enough to get up & fight for them or herself .
how dare that man to say they killed their parents for ensurance money and that they were spoiled kids spinning out of control??!!!!! they were abused in so many ways how dare he
Apparently the No Child Left Behind Act failed. You definitely were left behind.
I hate the way that guy said "it just didnt happen" 😒 You dont actually know that none of us do 🤷♀️
That annoyed me too
well who cares they should be in prison
@@kdkdndjfjdnn9168 NO
@@kdkdndjfjdnn9168 You have no idea what you are talking about.
We DO KNOW THAT IT HAPPENED!! WATCH ERIC AS HIS BROTHER LYLE IS TELLING WHAT HAPPENED. THE VEIN ON HIS HEAD IS PULSING. YOU CAN'T FAKE THAT.
How beautiful these two brothers are, if only they had better childhood. Things would have been so much better.
This whole show seems prosecution biased
Yep it’s because they don’t want to brothers to be released because of fear that it would encourage future cases like this. To say being abused in some way is an excuse for murder. Which it isn’t. Also keep in mind the brothers didn’t say it was justified.
@@kaylinwhite6584 it should be a mitigating factor at least
I can’t believe that they are making this whole thing about the parents I can’t
Wdym
@@titandestroyer1017 Ikr they think that the pain their have from there father is FAKE?!! like get help people
Google the 83 year old man just released from prison after serving 68 YEARS. Compare his crime to the crimes of these brothers then talk about what is UNJUST. This goes on everyday in America.
And yet... no one says a word.
I believe them! The mom wasn't popping pills just because if their rebellion. What kind of parents cut off their dogs head? He, the dad was a sick sob and no one came to save them.
j T you apparently think its okay for child molesters to walk this earth. You gatta be kidding me. Absolutely sick.
The dogs head? omg that give me chills What a monster.
They deserve justice
And they got it. Life in prisonz
@@LaSombraa that's not justice
@@terrenv6405 They won’t get out the new law that would doesn’t apply to inmates serving life without parole. Also seeing as how all of their other appeals have been exhausted.
No they don't. There's more evidence against them then for them. They're bad kids, abused or not.
@@imtheonehero9305 they're are not bad kids they have just made a wrong decision but when put in a tough situation many times you don't am,e the right decision
WTF? They casually went over the fact that the parents killed a dog , beheaded it and kept it in the fridge?!!!! Any one capable of that is definitely capable of WAAAY worse 🤮
It is very believable actually that their father did that to them. That is how they became psychopaths. They got sexually abused and lost their innocence as well as their humanity.
they didn’t become psychopaths. you can’t just become a psychopath. they were abused and traumatized.
@@carleegib exactly
the dogs were aggressive meaning the parents were doing stuff to them to make them that way, says something about their character
So much proof.. and just cuz they are men you don’t believe them? 💔 they deserve justice! And to be free!!
The worst thing, THE WORST THING that can happen to anyone as a person - apart from having to bury your own child - is to be violated by your parents like these boys were. Your nuclear family teaches you everything about life and the world and who you are. Being beaten or neglected by that nucleus is one thing - but being specifically SEXUALLY violated informs you at a young age that you have no power, you have no value, you have no autonomy and you have no safe haven emotionally; once you have been violated like that, you can never get away. These boys didn't have a CHANCE to end up any different than this.
😢😢sooo true🙏
Robert just likes the interviews, the attention and money . he's getting from the book. He likes his name right next to their . He's not really doing anything to help try them get out . He knows the real story but instead of tell the whole story in interviews but just gives a little here and there then promotes the book.
I totally agree. So deceptive,
Or he's telling what he knows.
This program was just taking excerpts from an earlier documentary in 2017 (which was before his book was published). Robert Rand is not responsible for how either program was edited, and he has given many interviews over the years. He was also a consultant on the Law & Order miniseries on the case which is the fairest and most balanced TV movie/miniseries ever produced on this case. He has been researching this case since 1989 and is the only reporter to have covered both trials. In the afterward of his book, he explains why it took him so long, and he wanted to have as much factual research as possible. Moreover, the family members trust him and helped him with the book.
Father were nuts… Mother was pounded into submission by her husband. The boys were so messed up by the violence in their lives.
The uncle saying there were no indications that abuse was going on…. Excuse me??? Why do you think the boys were acting out & getting in so much trouble. The parents said it was because they were spoiled…Hmmm….maybe it’s because they were so damaged from years of their parent’s abuse! 🤷🏻♀️
As is pointed out in the documentary people in those days didn't connect the dots to sexual abuse in a family, especially between males. It was taboo. You just didn't talk about it.
They talked more about Lyle's toupee than the FUCKING DOG HEAD XD
I just want to say, Lyle told his cousin that he was being touched by his father at 8 years old. Which means is true and that was way before Eric wrote the script with his friend.
he told TWO people when he was younger THE ABUSE IS REAL FACTS!!
I hate that the uncle are still bringing down these 2 and protecting the parents. For that reason we keep seeing things crazy happening and not knowing why.
The whole entire family heard about the abuse probably before the killing happened and they just did not care enough. Sick
Soooo sick!!!!
He has passed away now but his son actually lived with the family for a few summers when he was a kid and he confirmed that there was physical and verbal abuse going on and that Kitty would fly into unpredictable rages, and that Jose frequently showered with his sons.
@@Muirmaidenand his ex wife testified about Jose grabbing and pulling both Lyle and Erik when they lost a tennis match
That uncle should just shut up because he does not know nothing about sexual abuse
I agree. He is insufferable.
Agreed
They where so mind fucked they felt they had no way out just hearing them talk about it it’s like I get it... I can feel their struggle.
the fact that they got life in prison makes me upset
Just because they had money doesnt mean they didnt go through abuse these boys werent spoiled
Erik writing that script was a coping mechanism and way to deal with the abuse he was experiencing by his father since he felt totally powerless and trapped in his life and literally had no other way to fight back.
It's just a matter of time when these two guys being abused would assert themselves. They are growing up and their father is getting old. They realize they can live without those millions from their father. That freedom is more desirable than be held captive in that situation.
But they’re in jail that’s not much freedom lol
They killed their dad tho
@@kelseyjay3733 Why are you laughing?
Yea because she was definitely changing her will while her freinds there, the exact time her friends over, in the middle and of the day and just left on her computer😐
Why not? Changing will in front of a witness, - sounds about right. You know, just in case of certain someone decides to, I don't know... Delete it.
What is known, according to several sources, is that there was a reference to a will in the computer, located in an upstairs bedroom of the Menendez home. The reference to the will was contained in a file name on a computer disk. Shortly after the slayings, a member of the Menendez family discovered the reference and attempted to view the file, these sources said.
But the relative was unable to do so and made plans to hire a computer expert.
Before that expert could act, however, the file was deleted from the disk in such a way that it could not be recovered by police experts, according to those sources.
Asked about the possibility of a second will, the Menendezes’ probate attorney, Stephen B. Goldberg of Redondo Beach, said: “I don’t know anything about that and we’ve got a will and I don’t want any problems with it.”
Acting on Goldberg’s advice, the Menendez brothers have so far declined to comment on the computer mystery.
Their parents’ will has been filed in Santa Monica Superior Court and is expected to be settled early next year, according to Goldberg.
It states that Jose and Kitty Menendez bequeathed their estates to each other but, in the event that “we should die in a common disaster,” the entire estate is to be turned over to Lyle and Erik Menendez.
Source: www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-12-05-mn-177-story.html
poor boys. they deserve freedom
Okay…. They were doing very well financially with their parents alive. They didn’t need their parents to be dead in order to benefit from their money. They were already doing very well benefiting from their parents money while their parents were still alive. They had been their whole lives. And without the risk of prison. I do not believe money was the motive at all. They already had that. Fear and abuse was the motive. For goodness sake they had cousins and other family members and friends testify backing up their stories and had the naked pictures their dad took of them when they were kids, their was tons of evidence
Please judges! Parole these guys!
It’s so unfair!!!
This angers me so much they think it's BC of the fucking money
so a 8 year old boy says he's being molested and the mother just doesn't believe it? she could have investigated it herself for crying out loud *YOU LIVE N THE SAME DARN HOUSE* how can something like that get unnoticed ?
and I'm sure the sexual molestation is real because a cousin said in a interview that one of the brother's asked him if "you dad touching you there was normal" and now here another person says the boy told her. it blows my mind how they kept this thing quit for what i assume keeping their image clean.
the mother seems to be afraid to confront the father so she was taking pills to calm herself. Still staying put knowing what your child is going through is an act of pure heinous.
And after the brother knowing they were going to be deprived from their heritage that was the last straw. they were stripped away from their innocence, rejected by their mother and was going to be left alone.
after knowing that killing your parents doesn't seem that unreasonable. what they did was wrong 100% but that doesn't mean that they were the only criminals
edit: ( just saw part 5) i fucking knew it that bitch of a mother knew all along that her son was being molested and she did nothing. *she deserves hell*
Very interesting story...I followed the trial daily and felt very sorry for the brothers Mendendez...so I favor their release...its been 30+ years in jail. Their father was a tyrant and mother was a drunk, who did not defend or try to help them get away from their dad. Please judges, parole them, and let them find their lives before its over.
It is so refreshing to hear from people who followed the trial at the time and agree that the sentence was too harsh. Thank you!
Wow I don’t believe you been following this since the start. No excuse for murder ... NON.
I think Eric and Lyle Menenedez belong under the jail not in it. How horrble is it to kill your own parents because u want their money and then tell the most discusting pack of lies to try and get away with murder
They should be set free
They are not sick they are GREEDY and SELFISH!!!!!
4:42 I agree with this. There is still an element of greed to it but I think majority of it is the abuse of the parents. They were as cold as they get I’m sure
I am so upset that they are making the brothers out to be the monsters. Their father mentally, physically, and emotionally abused them. This is the only time I will try and justify a murder, they were trying to escape their abuser and the abusers bystander.
the uncle is a terrible person for what he said.
They should be released...they deserved to serve quite a bit of time because they could have run away...but it's been long enough now...
@@LeenaStark 1. They grew up in a rigorously controlled environment, and even as young adults, their parents still watched them closely, so they had very little real-world experience. 2. Their father was wealthy and powerful, and they knew he would not let them go and could easily find them if he wanted. 3. They didn't think anyone would believe them and they didn't think they could survive in the real world.
Just because you were able to leave (and good for you), that doesn't mean that everyone feels they can. Not every situation is the same, and there are other people who have killed their abusers and got lighter sentences.
so it’s like if you’re born into a wealthy household the fact that your parents abused you in any ways is pretty much ok? and I see people keep bringing up the fact that they celebrated and stuff, bruh, would u not celebrate if for the 1st time in your life you’re finally free? so what if their father was fking rich? were they suppose to feel happy while being molested ‘cause he was rich??
I believe their story of abuse. I don’t think they were making that up. Sadly it sounds like they went through some tough times growing up and that contributed to their breakdown. Murder is never the answer to anything, and they should have approached things differently.
They dont know how. They didnt have good parents who they can learn from. They cant be blamed for that.
How would one do that? As an abused victim myself I cannot say I haveng thought about it when I never knew "freedom".
He was mean, Nasty, rapist. Their father was a monster.
CRAIG CIGNARELLI YOU LIAR! YOU AND ERIK BOTH WROTE THAT SCREENPLAY AND YOU CAME UP WITH A LOT OF THE IDEAS!!!!! THIS IS THE REASON WHY THE SCREENPLAY WAS NEVER USED AS A RELIABLE EVIDENCE
he's the dumbest person i know
@@elviraestella7554 Dumber than Donald Trump, I highly doubt it!
I can't stand Kitty's brother. They weren't abuse. How would you know??
they were abuse
sexually
This Brian guy is pissing me off
I feel like they left out a crucial part in these series. If the brothers' story about the abuse is true, which it seems to be, you'd have to look at their father's history, as well. These things usually don't just 'happen'. I think that if their father abused them, then something must've happened in his childhood, presumably with his father, too. They should've also investigated in that, in my opinion... Maybe their grandfather treated their father in the same way when he was a kid and that treatment stuck to him, which would make a lot of sense, especially in a psychological way, if you'd ask me...
Some of the experts in the trial actually looked into their parents’ pasts when evaluating the brothers. They did find out that Kitty was abused and her parents were divorced (definetely more that I don’t remember), but with Jose they couldn’t find much other than overindulgence, however I read somewhere that one of his sisters saw the mother doing sone sexual things to him (don’t know if it’s true) and I think Jose’s father looks a little suspicious..
@@amnervik2614 And the prosecution and judge wouldn't let that evidence into court....
The brothers were “acting out” from all the garbage that was going on in their home. They’re making them sound like spoiled rich kids! They had NO IDEA what mommy and daddy dearest were doing to them!!! Hope they didn’t testify with their skewed perspective!
the dog might have been sacrificed, their dad seems very dark
Raised in a sick & abusive household and being raped when still a child is perhaps a part of an explanation of murder. It is never NEVER a justification or excuse. I know this. As for these brothers, it is possible (and necessary) to condemn them for what they have done, while still holding compassion for their pain.
Such vile parents, monsters.
They need to release them
Erin, why do you feel they should be released? Do you feel they were wrongly accused? I’d be interested in you views. Thanks.
@@karenacton3854 they were abused, end of conversation
@@Billiebugg123 if this is the case, do you feel the iceman should have been released as well. He was viciously abused by his parents.
@@karenacton3854 It was in defense Jose sexually abused both of them for YEARS.
@@Billiebugg123 The tiktok rebuttal in a nutshell.
Their uncle needs to stfu 😤 there are so many friends and family that saw or heard things.
right. including his own sister (who's still alive and telling her story), and his niece and nephew! he SUCKS!
If this was the Menendez sisters how different would this case be 😳😳 - those parents got what they deserved
RIGHT HE DIDNT WANT A GAY SON BUT HE WAS TOUCHING HIM!! Give me a break!!
im really into this show, but like *why is everyones lips so dry*
IT WASN'T ABOUT MONEY IT WAS ABOUT CONSTANT ABUSE @@@@
Funny how you guys didn't even mention the sexual abuse they went through.
all of these people are so disgustingly ignorant it makes me so angry.. these boys were ABUSED and no one can even take two seconds to put themselves in their shoes. no kid should kill their parents BUT THEY DESERVED IT. that is not how you treat your child as a mother and i pray these poor men get justice. all the people covering for their parents are sick
no one seems to have questioned either that Lyle, a young man in his prime was losing his hair.... severe stress I would imagine as a result of trauma... telling the cousins what had happened at such a young age .. these boys certainly suffered a great deal. Horrific... and the dog... so many things,from this highly dysfunctional family. Sadly Kitty was complicit in all of this because she was a weak woman. I truly hope that these men will finally be released.
seems to me that Graig is not a real "friend" ...
Yeah he betrayed them and was not really a real friend just for the show and money
They disrespected their children, they used them. How outrageous.
As a writer, you write and day dream and Erik is no different. All the years and abuse he endured im sure many times he dreamed it would stop and the only way he felt like it could stop was if he killed him. But this is also his Father and psychologically he cant tell anyone about the abuse to hold his family's reputation and honor so what else would he kill him for? Money everyone could believe that over believing he is being abused. Its psychology 101 😅
Let these boys go already! Enough!
I want to know., WHO decapitated the dog's head?
probably Jose ( the dad)
Thanks for information.
Why is everyone here giving opinions? No real evidence you have a RANDOM photographer that didn’t really know Eric and never even MET LYLE and he is giving opinions in a “documentary” about why he thinks they did it? Just ignoring the REAL evidence of abuse the family brought up? Disgusting.
Putting the dogs head in the frig must be an intimation tactic. If the dog gets punished that way imagine the children! They were grown men and thats why most people thought they were evil but they must be angels to put up with so much for so long. They were thinking now we are grown we will go to college and no more abuse but that was not the case.
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This level of toxic parents energy is unbelievable. people should really see why this kids become who they are.
I feel like when they confronted their father regarding the molestation, they became more fearful for their lives hence buying the gun for self defense thinking their dad might kill them so the truth will be untold. However, somewhere there, it all changed.
That 90s Show brought me here!
Lets resume..Jose Menendez was LIT a Psychopath!!!!
What the hell, the toupee thing was the most random thing I heard it’s almost laughable how these ppl painting the brothers as villains thought this was masterful way to transition the narrative 😭😭 THE BEHEADED DOG AND MOLESTATION DONE BY THE FATHER IS OF MORE DAMNING CONCERN SMH
The toupee is important because it's literally the (supposed) smoking gun that kicked off the murders. I agree, it's the most stupidest, contrived bullshit I've ever heard from a defense, but this is literally what the brothers and their defense counsels were trying to sell to the juries during the trials. The mother ripping Lyle's hairpiece off sounds more like something you'd see on an episode of Melrose Place than an actual prelude to double murder. It amazes me that people who support them buy this hook, line, and sinker but they do.
I'm not defending what the brothers did but how can anyone tell their stories of what went on it that house? Nobody was there but them. The uncle pissed me off because how can you say them being molested by their father isn't true? No wonder they acted the way they did. How you gone tell them what did or didn't happen to them? Its just weird. No, them murdering their parents is not justified but what their father did to them is not justified either. Just because he's not on this earth anymore, does not mean he shouldn't be held accountable. The mother too. Cause she knew & chose not to believe it. That whole family was just messed up. I wouldn't be surprised if the uncle was a creep too.
Kittys brother is in extreme denial. Both parents were insane. These brothers deserve justice.
The brothers should sue ABC Terry Moran is so hateful not an ounce of understanding seriously !!!
Is there any doubt that if Jose had found the screenplay, that he wouldn't have done something extreme?? Possibly he would have murdered them instead. Where is justice there?? There is no justice at all in any of this. The resentment of the parents against the kids they broke is the height of hubris.
I think these boys snapped after all the trauma.
I’ve been flipping through these episodes after the first one briefly showed the sexual abuse they experienced and none of these Episodes actually go further… did they receive treatment ? Did they see a psychologist?
I never understand why no one acts on abuse….seems to happen when it’s too late
How the hell can these two beautiful men-souls, still be in prison after all that happened to both of them? I’m really sad and really sorry for them!
Does anyone knows when they’re gonna be released?
Let's unpack:
They planned out the murder of their parents in advance.
They got rid of the crime scene evidence to cover up their involvement.
And then, they fabricated their alibi to innoculate themselves from suspicion.
If you can't figure out why these two "beautiful men-souls" are in prison, you need to get your head straightened out. Seriously, did you get all your knowledge of criminal justice from episodes of Full House and any family sitcom in general? And if you were actually engaged in this case on a meaningful level, you'd know that they were sentenced to life without parole. So what this tells me is that you got ensnared into this case by watching Tiktok videos. So tell me, Irini K, do you think you've fallen in love with a criminal?
@@jstephenj I believe their story of abuse, and it sounds like they had been through some really tough childhood.
Murder is not the solution, they should have approach things differently.
That’s what I believe.
Regarding TikTok videos, I haven’t seen any and I do not know the case from tik tok if that’s what you wanna know
Poor doggo
Hold up hold up they cut off the boys dogs head off and put it in the fridge and sexually harassed their children but they’re the victims here??? Wtf
The parents were murdered so we should just disregard that??
Everything isn’t so black and white for god’s sake. Its not either
a) they are poor innocent victims of abuse
b) they are spoiler rich money-hungry murderers
They had a horrible mixture of circumstances that can bring the worst out of any of us. What they did is not good, but it takes just a little empathy to understand. And yeah they might’ve been a bit spoiled, self-centered, and whatever else, but how would you grow up to be if all love and human connection was taken away from you?
Why is this documentary making it the brothers sound crazy and spoiled. Yes they did murder their parents but i guess we all know why they killed them.
The only credible motive he could have written about at that time was the insurance money; He did want to kill his parents but he could have never written a script about a boy been so horribly abused by his dad. His worst nightmare was that people knew about his parent's abuse. Yes, parents, because his mom was an accomplice.
Biased.
6:02
He doesn’t convince me here. His brother staring at him like he’s evaluating his performance.
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might i add, the parents killed eriks, bunny. 🤦🏽♀️
I believe them 💯, how can they explain that Jose Menendez own sister testified how cruel and mean he was with those kids since they where toddlers. People can say whatever they want, but the fact that the closest family members defended testified on their behalf and gave so many details , they were abused to an unexplainable its hard for some to understand.
Wow!
see what i don't understand is that the time they told their story was a time which wasn't openly and fully socially acceptable for men to be sexually abused. Like i remember one of the judges basically said "men cant get raped". They wouldn't fabricate this kind of story.
Bruh the brother saying it didn’t happen WHERES THE PROOFFFFF