@@Cornellia101 I do not know if Scott changed his story a lot but I know he told outrageous lies he told Amber this would be his first Christmas without his wife you know since she died well the thing is Laci was not dead or even missing yet she was home cooking or whatever she went missing Christmas Eve 2002 well after Scott met Amber and told her he was widowed . plus Laci's hair was wrapped around a pair of pliers in a boat that Scott bought after she was dead he swore he took her to see the boat and she was alive and that he took her out on the boat yeah freaking right she is 8 months pregnant and gets sea sick what woman is gonna go out in a boat under those conditions ! I do believe Laci was on that boat but she was dead under a blue tarp the cops found
and he told Amber one time that he was in Paris standing looking at the Eiffel Tower the idiot was in Modesto with Laci;s grieving familt at a vigil he was on his phone with Amber the entire time while her mother her bio father and Step dad and brother and sister were all crying and praying for her safe return
Not sure if someone else already commented, but the Menendez brothers told their older cousin and other family members starting in the 1970s. The brothers recounted how when they were little and back at their old home (Midwest? East Coast?) their older girl cousin came to visit and they asked if they could stay in her room and told her they were being molested and scared to go to bed in their own rooms. The older girl cousin confronted Kitty and Kitty never let the boys see her or have her over and they were in trouble after that. They boys reached out to others at least a few times but no one helped them. I believe them.
A friend in high school told me what she was going through. I never heard if this and did not k ow what to do with the information. Fear takes hold. She told me years later she told the guidance counselor, and they did nothing.
@@ElizzzaBheartbraking. I supported a friend at trial and just her word against his. She was married and her friends husband sexually assaulted her. Just brutal.
I completely believe the brothers. If you have any understanding of child sexual abuse including a mother who is cooperating by closing her eyes, you can understand the amount of rage that would cause a kid to totally blow. Tragic!
The Behaviour Panel podcast team have reviewed the brothers. They covered their testimonies in court and each of the experts opinion was that they were telling the truth.
There is absolutely NO justification in killing your parents! NONE!!!!! There was abuse on many levels, including sexual abuse in my family, but my siblings and I would NEVER have entertained the thought to off our parents, no matter how much we suffered at their hands!!! What these boys did was 💯 demonic!!! What’s tragic is the way they slaughtered their parents in cold blood!! I pray the brothers seek forgiveness from almighty God through the precious blood of Jesus Christ ✝️🧎🏽♀️🙏🏼
@@TRUST_IN_CHRIST I agree that what they did was not morally correct. But if you take in different perspectives you can understand how they felt at the time. Their mental capacity was of an 8 year old. They were suffering from severe mental health issues and trauma. Everyone deals with abuse in their own way and of course what they did was wrong, and even they accept that. They themselves regret the very actions they took that night, so there is no need to compare their situation with yours or anyone else's. People suffer in different ways and cope with their trauma in different ways. So there is no need to compare them. To call their actions demonic but not acknowledge the severity of their parents actions which led the brothers to killing them is wrong. While calling their actions demonic, its important to recognise that what their parents did to their own children was even worse.. Killing someone is of course wrong, but sexually and emotionally abusing, raping and manipulating your sons, threatening them, emotionally neglecting their needs, making fun of them is even worse. This is what led to their tragic deaths as they caused trauma that their sons now have to live with, whilst they got an easier way out and are now resting peacefully.
The fact that they told their phychiatrist about killing their parents, is proof that they were not cold blooded murderers. The way they killed their parents was not as awful as what they have been through then and now. Please get them out. They have suffered enough.
They can, but , there was zero reason for them to do what they did. Sadly there is zero proof that their dad even did this. Only a confession by Eric that he sexually assaulted his own brother. Not yo mention they could have been fed this crap by their slimy defense attorney as well. Thing is we’ll never know because their father wasn’t given the opportunity to tell his story, remember? They murdered him.
When the mother spoke of hating them she also spoke of how they took her husband away from her. This child hatred is actually fairly common with mothers who become jealous of their victimized children. Looking at them as rivals rather than innocent victims. It can be the most painful part of these crimes for the child or children involved because they always hope their mother will protect them and believe them. That emotional betrayal that takes place with their own mother turning on them in fits of jealousy, and watching as it happens without stopping it and protecting her children is often described as being more painful than the sexual abuses going on. It stays with the children forever.
This comment!!! I could always tell that Lyle was hurt more by the actions or inactions of his mother rather than his father…..it is really the worst kind of betrayal that one can experience…
I tried to tell my Mom that her BF was making advances to me and her response was, "I am the happiest I have ever been. Don't Ruin this for me." When he finally made an attempt and I wouldn't allow it, she was drunk, he stormed out and she tried to shoot me. She was drunk and had never handled the shotgun. I was lucky as I ran. YES that is the worst part.
I am in the appalachain mountains of NC. We need help, no water, no food, no fuel, no cell service. I'm glad my family and I know how to hunt and make a fire to cook. Please pray for all impacted by this storm. It's total devastation here. Thanks for taking my mind off of this situation here 🙂
I'm in Fayetteville NC baby doll. I'm so sorry you and your family and everyone there In that situation is having to go through all that 😢. It makes me upset , angry, sad. I'm so sorry 😢❤.
Just because a man has a wife & is cheating on her with another woman doesn’t mean he isn’t SA’ing his kids!! It’s about sexual deviance & power of the weak!! Jose was a very evil monster & Kitty was extremely disturbed, hateful person!!! The brothers should be released after serving 30 yrs in prison!! I’ve seen people who murder a child get the possibility of parole!!
As far as I know, the brothers' father went to live in the USA when he was a teenager, but his nationality at birth was Cuban. I am Cuban, and I have lived all my life on the island; when I was about 19 years old I first learned of the frequency with which cases of incest, involving pedophilia, occurred in my country. It was through a neighbor who was already an older woman at the time and who took care of her mother... however, it was obvious that she resented it, I was fond of her because she was very kind to everyone, so I did not understand the dynamic with her own mother. I think one day she must have seen my bewildered expression because it was then that she told me in an aside what she and her sisters and brother suffered from the unspeakable abuses to which their father subjected them, and that this was the reason that all of them left as soon as they turned 16 - that is the age of majority in Cuba - and that eventually only she remained in Cuba. My neighbor married at 17, had a son, was widowed at 25, and never married again, devoting herself to her only son until he too emigrated. It wasn't until she was about 45 that she first went to a therapist, and to her surprise and my horror, she was told that her case was much more common than she imagined and that it was amazing how well she had done on her own without having gone to seek help first. Still, when she found out that her mother had cerebral ischemia, she took her home and took care of her. By the time she told me the story, two of her sisters had committed suicide, and the brother, as she learned from his son, was homeless and addicted to who knows what. After crying like a baby, I could only hug her and tell her that she was probably one of the strongest and most upright people I had ever known. A few days ago I learned that she had passed away, she lived more than 8 decades, and I only hope that her spirit gets all the light and peace that she deserves. Personally, for me pedophiles are murderers, they kill the person that could have been, and turn them into someone who needs to constantly remind themselves that not everyone around them is a monster.
Wow that’s horrifically sad but really enlightening. I had no idea incest was a such a major problem in Cuba. I live in Tampa where we have a huge Cuban population but obviously no one is opening up about that. I’m so sorry to hear that abuse is prevalent there
@@michellesassouni2863 When Cuba was "proclaimed" as a Socialist State, even if there was no referendum or any form of election, that condition included the doctrine of the "new human": that new species that was established by decree did not conceive of any member of the new society as being imperfect. The solution they found was that all the press, all the companies, EVERYTHING, including the inhabitants, became the new State's property. They were not very original, they only copied the model that already existed in what was then known as the socialist camp, with the U.S.S.R. pulling all the strings. When the State is the only voice and the owner of all the words, television, and the press only talk or write about how wonderful our life is. There is no talk, or writing about robberies, murders, rapes, abuses, NOTHING! Because the "new human" cannot be anything other than perfect. Our prisons have multiplied, and I understand that there are more inmates than space, but that is not talked about. A singer dared to say in one of his songs: "Everyone wants to live in the News, nothing is missing there, not even money." But here we have an unwritten law of silence that goes back hundreds of years: What happens at home, stays at home. They only took advantage of a pre-existing circumstance.
My favorite part of this channel is watching Michael review a portrayal of historic criminal events and saying “actually I knew those guys and this is how it really went down”
“Let a family member know” THEY DID DO THAT. and nothing was done about it. Erik and Lyle ran away many times but Jose always found them and it just got worse. If Jose didn’t force Erik to stay at home(so he can keep sexually assaulting him) instead of living in his dorm at UCLA then the murder would have never happened.
@@RenataSUK62 thank you. because the brothers literally had their lives planned out and poor freaking Erik thinking he’s finally free only to be imprisoned by his father once again, i completely understand that this was the nail in the coffin for him. the world is a better place without those monsters here, i will always stand with the brothers.
Exactly! And in Erik’s own words: Lyle was the only person who ever protected him, and made him feel safe. So once Erik confessed to his brother that the abuse was still happening, their parent’s fates were sealed. The murders were the most extreme and drastic example of big brother protecting little brother. Of course I don’t condone murder, but I have always understood why this happened . I believed Eric and Lyle then, I believe them now. They have always had my full support.
I'm just glad the brothers were able to see each other again in 2018 after years of being apart. but they deserve to live a normal life, they've served their time. they got wives and kids to love and take care of. PLEASE give them their life back.
I dont think any child deserves what their parents did to these brothers but there is never a reason to kill especially premeditate it. They were over 18 theu had no reason to continue living with parents
I've researched this case in every detail . As a woman i have to admit this case is literal proof of how much men get discriminated against also , not just women. I remember the case beeing covered back in the day ,i was very young. At the time everyone was talking about it . And everyone made it into a joke , as in yeah right they got abused . People literally didn't wanna hear their story of abuse and made fun of them pretty much . If they were women things would have gone much differently. If a father raped his little girls their whole life , I'm sure everyone would have absolutely understood why they did what they did . I hope they finally get freed . The only injustice in this case is what happened to the two boys .
It’s hard to be a man. So many double standards. Most western men begin life with having our genitals mutilated, and everyone thinks that’s OK, but start talking about female genital mutilation and everyone freaks out.
I HIGHLY disagree because women being raped happens literally all the time every day and I rarely hear cases about it. And if there is a case , almost no one ever believes the woman even if the courts found her perpetrator guilty… and then even if the rapist is convicted, he’ll get a super light sentence or completely released in just a couple years like Harvey W and Bill Cosby!! lol wtf are you talking about????
Sadly and Unfortunately the brothers had to take matters into their own hands because nobody believed them because they are men. Male sexual assault victims deserve as much sympathy, recognition, and have their cases be taken seriously as much as female rape victims do! Prayers for both Erik & Lyle 🙏🏽
In the state of California, even in situations where somebody admits murder to their therapist, the therapist still must keep it confidential or they can lose their license and face legal consequences. The only reason why 1 audio tape was even admissible is because Ozeil claimed he felt somebody’s life was in danger (his own) because he claimed Lyle threatened to kill him if he told anybody. However, Ozeil’s mistress (who Ozeil called to sit in his office and eavesdrop when Lyle arrived to the office after Erik confessed) stated that she never heard Lyle threaten Ozeil at all. It was widely believed that Oziel taped the confession because he was planning on blackmailing the boys for $14 million.
the worst how these brother faces so many evils people in their life and yet they got separated for 22 years they can even forget each others voice and face
If they get a 3rd trial, the inclusion of that tape will be fought. I'm guessing it'll be thrown out due to a violation of privilege. Public sentiment affects court rulings and back in the day, there was no understanding, let alone sympathy for the brothers experience of abuse. Today, we have a better understanding of abuse and its affects on victims. Whether this gets them off entirely, I doubt. But do they get out on timed served, probably.
@@shauna7946with the first trial, the defense fought the inclusion of the tapes for 2 years & it went up to the California Supreme Court. The California Supreme Court ultimately decided the one tape was admissible due to the alleged threat during that session. Should be interesting to see what happens in the upcoming hearing.
Yep that man was very money obsessed and that's why he did what he did, there were a bunch of messages he left to that woman talking about new ideas to make money and get rich, then he said things about Lyle that were proven false
The Prosecutors Podcast reported that Kitty would often threaten to kill the whole family, and occasionally it would lead to Jose throwing out an entire meal that she cooked and taking them out to eat. Between that and the abuse - which often comes with threats to keep quiet, I wouldn't be surprised if the boys did legitimately fear for their lives.
@@leiakiki I don't remember, but they are licensed practicing attorneys, and are well researched and pretty careful with their claims. The series started in April/24 and is really interesting, if you wanted to check it out.
@@leiakikione reliable source for sexual abuse is a doctor at the 1st trial. Severe Bowel and throat infections and injuries. If you watch the entire trial their are expert witnesses that support much of this.
Erik is married and a step father. The announcement yesterday was that it's being reviewed and they are deciding about release or a new trial for the brothers because of new evidence plus a review of all of their past evidence (they had over 50 witnesses testify on their behalf). Kittys therapist also talked about her mental illnesses, her substance abuse etc. A member of a band, Menudo, that their father was involved with has also made SA allegations against Jose. Erik has stated that he did try running away but they took him home and made threats. There is new evidence to show that he did tell a cousin in a letter when younger. It was testified that Lyle had also told a friend that he and Erik were abused about 4 months prior to what happened. We always look at nature vs nurture in terms of how children grow and develop and the brothers growing up to do what they did? Nature? Well, clearly mental instability ran in the family and those things can be genetic. Then you can look at nurture for the 2. If they grow up abused as badly as they were (which IS believable when people look at all of the evidence including what was in their childhood medical records such as 7 yr old Erik going to the emergency room for injuries deep within his throat and so forth that align with abuse/SA in children) then we look deeply into their nurture and say the way they were nurtured had a deep impact on them, as it does any child. You grow up manipulated and abused? It will change the way your mind develops at every stage of development. (Another note, Eriks learning difficulties were ignored by his parents and not addressed as teachers wanted). The therapist actually was still supposed to keep things confidential per the law unless he felt directly in danger or that someone he knew was in danger. He wasn't the one that went to police initially, it was his ex gf who was a patient of his in which he carried on an affair. She originally went to the police to say that he had kidnapped and SA her and then everything spilled out leading cops to search Oziel and demand the recordings. You touched on the father having extra marital affairs and why would someone doing that abuse their sons? Power. Everything was about power. SA is almost always about POWER and a power hungry man constantly in the position of being in control and being powerful and taking the power from others? Well, that's a recipe for disaster. Children are the easiest victims and most children who are abused or SA are abused by a relative or someone close to the family. They are easy targets. Just like domestic violence victims who fear leaving their spouses, child abuse victims are often the same way. Leaving is also the most dangerous time for victims because their abuser risk losing their power and risk their secrets being exposed. Back when the brothers would have been abused and a lot of family members had an inkling to something awful happening, people still had a don't get involved mind set. Don't tell parents how to raise their kids or don't get involved in issues behind closed doors. Only in recent years has the fight for believing victims picked up ground. Only 2-10% of SA allegations are falsely made so we are looking at 90+% of all allegations holding truth. The women on the separate juries for both brothers original trials all pretty much went manslaughter. Men went murder 1. Men tended to believe males could not be SA or could have stopped it. That ignores the manipulation and emotional and psychological aspects of the SA. The 2nd trial appears to have had bias against the brothers from the judge who was also the judge in the original 2 trials. He banned a lot of the defenses case in terms of the SA from making its way into the 2nd combined trial. The brothers family heavily supports them and backs them and the allegations. We all know they did it, yes, but if what they say is true? Then manslaughter is the fair conviction. The law has greatly struggled in believing and helping SA victims and keeping domestic violence victims safe and sometimes victims take the law into their own hands. Any of us who are parents have to think, what would we do or at least want to do to someone who did those things to our children? Would we blame our children for doing that to an abuser? We also look at her children and it's unfathomable to think of doing those things Jose is said to have done. Personally? I believe the brothers because I think they provided enough evidence to at least give reasonable cause to believe it all. I would like to see them released. As for why women are attracted to "bad guys" so to speak, it's in a way in our genetic make up. Women are natural care givers, we lean toward want to help or wanting to fix what we see is broken. A criminal? Oh ok he's a bad guy or he's broken..so let me love him until he's better, I can fix him - that's kind of the mind frame. Also, it gives women excitement to be honest. So I am 40 yrs old and I studied special education & psychology as my majors and minored in studying criminal law so I research cases like this for fun because it aligns with my interest. I can also admit even with all of my education and clean cut way of life, I too fell for the bad boy (oops lol) and he's now serving a 20 year sentence. I also have a cousin serving life+ for taking the lives of multiple women and he was a power hungry monster who deserves everything he gets. He was violent very early on in life and continued on with violence. The system failed by releasing him early for a r*pe conviction. He is one of those people that was born evil. His nature was to be evil. His nurturing played no role in who he became. I say this so I can make a clarification that I am not a sympathizer with those who k*ll (I don't know if youtube lets us use the world) but I can empathize with victims and people who feel pushed too far. I 100% empathize with the brothers and I don't view them as bad or evil. I don't view all criminals as bad people. I view them as individuals. Some are evil. Some just made mistakes. Some were pushed too far and so on and so forth.. Those are all my views. And I have a lot of them LOL
my grocery store story cracks me up too. When my son was 4yrs old he ran up to a female shopper & tugged her skirt turning to me & said 'look Mommy, this Daddy's favourite girlfriend.' 😄
my heart's ACHING for the fact that the brothers have had to, time and time again, watch portrayals of their own life and trauma on TV. even though, there was a lot of research done to make it as close to reality as possible. however, society has changed. we see through the bullish!t. they don't have to worry about public opinion - I'm on their side and support them. always have, always will.
I just noticed the title and I actually thought it was saying that about the son's and I was getting angry like what the heck but I'm glad I saw your comment lol ya saved me from a bit of a mental fit 😅
The monsters are those two manipulative, sociopathic, killers who can lie like a RUG. They’re LIARS, it’s what they DO! It’s their life; they are murderers and liars trying to manipulate the gullible public… How convenient that they were allegedly horribly abused by *Victims of their premeditated murder plot who cannot speak for themselves…*
But where do you draw the line the were grown men who premeditated they're plenty murders then went on a partying spree like it was 1999 2 wrongs donot make it right yes they were monsters but they created monsters who ultimately nailed them
Hi Michael, my first son was born 8/12/89 about a week before the murders!!! I remember all of it, the trial everything. Many years passed before I realized what was the reason for the overkill, then it hit me, the parents were brutal and they died brutal. So I believe the abuse by both parents🙏
@@susanohara1584oh bullshit. Image r@ping your sons, forcing them to swallow your semen while your own mother allows it to happen. And you think the parents death was equivalent? Absolutely Not. The family told stories of these boys being abused the moment they were basically born. And you think the quick death of their abusers was the ultimate abuse? Sounds like you’re protecting your own character defects
A child of socially prominent parents won't easily seek help outside the family, because the chances they'd be believed or anyone acting against a rich & powerful couple are slim. The boys probably always felt they had nowhere to turn. I had a long career as a journalist here in South Africa, and some colleagues on the case of Charlize Theron's mother (who confessed to killing her abusive husband in front of their daughter) didn't believe at all that it was the mother who did the shooting. One never knows what really goes on inside other people's family homes.
Yes but about the mafia part it could be true. The mafia probably did kill them and not the boys. There’s many different mafias. The dad did have drugs and drugged minors before raping them. There’s Spanish videos about other victims speaking out but now their lives are in danger of these demons are still alive but the families of other victims hopefully will offer protection
Truthfully, I believe the boys genuinely believed if they didn't kill the parents, they would be killed. This justifies self defense. NO ONE WOULD HAVE BELIEVED THESE BOYS! Hell, culturally we are just barely barley beginning to accept boys are often victims of sexual abuse. Late 80s and 90s?? Hellz no, with powerful Beverly Hills parents? They would not be believed. Their only way to escape the abuse was to kill in self defense. If they were girls?? They would've been lauded as heros.
@@silvioponzio4287there is evidence to support their story of s€xual abuse. The witnesses of abuse testified at the first trial. The brothers were convicted of first degree murder because the abuse was not allowed in the second trial. You can believe whatever you want to believe.
Totally agree with everyone who understands what abusive trauma does to young brains. How could they invent such a story? The problem is ordinary people cannot believe such things happen. They do. We all struggle with believing such things happen but they do. They do!
This always blew my mind - the first prosecutor Pam Bozanich did not believe the brothers abuse defense. Yet Pam was also the prosecutor in the McMartin Trial and believed the far fetched charges against Ray Buckey. Insane
I once worked in an office building were the fathers business was located a floor or two above us. I was never up there myself, but routinly met people in the elevator who were going up to or coming from the fathers business. Based on those interractions with people in the elevator I can tell you the father ran a very unhappy business.
@@ReturnOfTheJ.D. Hear people verbally complaining about up there ... Women who got breast implants way to big also crying in the elevator .... those weren't your average elevator rides. Not unlike here where Michael talks about walking through L.A. Central Jail shackled ...
Really? The employees called to testify, including Jose's assistant, described him as tough, but certainly not an oppressive person to work for. They have no complaints about their time working under Jose.
Their father was also sadistic and tortured them both. Plus their mother violated them. Horrific ordeals they both endured. They did let a couple of younger family members know what was going on. It is odd that they didn't go to the authorities but the abuse started when they were very young so they probably didn't know how to break free as in go to the authorities - their parents had undermined their sense of self profoundly. Undoubtedly shame underpinned their unwillingness to go public about it all.
Amazing performance the facial expressions and the way he spoke was crazy I couldn't remember where I had seen him before but it makes sense now that he was the psychopath in No Country for Old Men he definitely has the psychopath role down
Your platform sounds good,I’ll be joining up soon as I can. My son came to me with your podcast in 2021, and told me how much I needed to hear your testimony. Unfortunately it breaks my heart, because my son died dec8,2021, and he was my life. When I watch your shows it feels like he’s still right beside me. His name was Jasper and he was a wonderful son.
@@Curtis69213what are you talking about? she had no idea her past exhusbund would be like that and she reported him to the police but the next day she became a widow.
Remember Uncle Junior mentions this case on Season 1 of The Sopranos? When they find out Tony is seeing a psychiatrist, he mentions something about how the Menedez brothers' shrink was on the witness stand (he calls them the Escobido brothers, I think).
Everytime I see Tony's actor say he got a call from a mob boss at the middle of night always makes me think Micheal called him and was like bosses don't wear shorts. Lol
I remember watching the whole trial of the brothers. I felt so bad when they got on the stand and broke down, somehow I always believed something was deeper and more emotional to go through the violence of the shootings. I have kept up with them thru the years and so glad you did a video on them. I bought a sub. for Netflix just so I could watch the Monsters. I don't see how an actual movie can be made like that without knowing what all was really said and done between them all.
@@john26660 you cant coached someone to act like traumic child no matter how good they are. abused child cant leave their abuser even the adult women and men cant leave their husband/ wife and its common for abused child thats how their brain developed more serious and there is a bond when the abuser is your own parents and that parents brainwashed them for years to think sexual act between them is normal and a wy of love
@@gulinp1crying is one thing, controlling your entire body and its micro expressions it’s impossible even for professional interrogators. Those boys were broken in pieces. The interrogation on the stand has been reviewed by multiple body language experts and all of them agreed that they were telling the truth. Now we have more victims speaking out, like one of the teenagers from the band Menudo, about being raped by Jose. This case has been a terrible injustice and proof that women are believed under any circumstance but men are not. It’s a disgrace.
You’re missing what most people miss. Including myself years ago. They could NOT go any other way because they told their father they were going to out him and jose threatened to kill them. If they ruined jose life and made kitty look even that much worse they would never allow that. They meaning jose and kitty. Thus was the 80s. Times were way different and casting couches were a daily thing. No one would’ve listened to the brothers then. They would’ve been betrayed as liars and been shunned by the entire town. And they would be no better off , maybe worse
I vaguely remembered the news of the Menendez brothers, but not the details. Wife & I watched the Netflix series and it just kept getting darker and darker. Absolutely crazy story. Thanks for sharing your perspective Michael. 👍
A lot of things that they presented in the Monsters Series are conjecture, but fair conjecture. That means, there's fair speculation that some of these things occurred behind the scenes, but no proof. It was a montage of speculative scenarios. On the boat at the end, the implication was that the two boys were born sociopaths obsessed with killing people, which is one extreme speculation held by enough people to give it air time on the show, but only one among many.
All this evidence was not allowed in court by the judge. Guess judge was a pedophile. California is full of them th-cam.com/video/ykjfIM1TP_Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=K6AMzU95p-ZixDon
Unless someone has been through what they did you can’t possibly understand!! Jose was a very powerful man in Hollywood & I believe he threatened to kill Erik & Lyle if they ever told anyone because it would destroy his career & his reputation!! The guy from Menudo has came forward saying Jose SA’d him too when Jose was with Sony records!!
The gay twist has been there since day one one of them is said to be a closet case and has been since day one. I remember this case when it happened perfectly
It's not ok to murder your parents..... However when you're sexually abused your child you pretty much murdered them out of a normal life. There is no amount of money that can fix that pain.
I don’t know if anyone here has ever seen the documentary where a man who was in the group Menudo tells when he once met the Menendez’s because he basically was pimped out by his manager to the Menendez dad
The fact that the abuse wasn't let into the 2nd trial is a travesty of justice in my opinion. If this case was tried today the outcome would be much different.
@@06kaprice I felt sick.What was annoying when they said he wasn't racist ever though he killed several black men ,eat the penis and balls .Put the body parts in fridge.They kept talking about Jeffery wanted to be close to his victims.The media and police let it go on because he was white male from upper middle class family who was gay.Let Jeffrey be from white guy from trailer park they won't be so sympathetic and he would be called white supremacist and serial killer
As a victim of child molest what bugged me is them calling other people to lie and say they’re dad touched them too and how they got so good at crying that’s just a no for me
They didn't allow one bit of the abuse, verbal, physical, or $exual into the second trial. They did talk to family. A cousin got a letter which has come to light now, and an aunt was ignored when she went to the mom. Also a member of a former band managed by Jose came forward and admitted Jose graped him.
@@theinvisibleme4104 He means thinking things though, for example they hadn't given much thought as how they would behave in the months after the crime. They went mad with the money but a more sophisticated approach would be to lie low, get very 'depressed', and not draw attention to themselves.
Thank you, Michael, for speaking about this case & your personal experience with Eric & Kyle. I am Australian & was living in California when this all happened. I remember how the brothers flashed around their money after the murders & thought their accusations of sexual abuse by their father, was all made up. After listening to your thoughts, I do feel there is truth in those accusations, now. As you said, not that it’s an excuse for murder, but it certainly helps to shed the light on….WHY? I respect you & your wisdom. Also, I appreciate you speaking of all those people that have been let into the country, & some of the criminals that are now unaccounted for. This worries me greatly. I still have adult children & young grandchildren living in Northern California. It’s a scary time for the US & most of the world, at the moment. God Bless.
had to pause the video just to TELL YOU i love how you’re living your life right now at this age after your 1st, 2nd and 3rd season of life and the way you conduct yourself as someone who we can respect. 📝🎧
He’s from a generation of men where men still talked, looked and conducted themselves like men not like complete weirdos like many of these clowns these days. So you have nothing in common
At the end of monsters they played” girl I’m gonna miss you” and their vans went different ways! It broke my heart. They different see each other for years! This is totally sad story ! I don’t agree with murder I do believe they were molested! Even employees and family members said their dad was terrible. I think they serve their time
It's a TV program! You feel sympathy for them, because of Mili Vanilli? This is the whole problem with this case. Facts don't care about your feelings.
@@supowell1 I watched the trial in the 80s at the time people couldn’t understand that rich and privileged couldn’t molest BOYS it’s not about the song it’s about what’s right, if it was girls that happened to they would’ve been out of prison long time ago FACTS
@@Debra-lc6xu no, not FACTS, but SPECULATION. There is no hard evidence the “boys” were sexually molested. They are the only ones that say that. And the trial was in the 90s, not the 80s.
Those boys must have believed it was worth getting caught to end the living Hell. I don't blame them for celebrating. I am glad they had each other because everybody else in the world did not want to believe them!
A lot of this is just spiritual sickness for profit. What is the point of this artistically? Where is the value or redemption or life lessons in this? So many other more interesting & fruitful true stories to tell.
@@jaysonb.6669The fascination of psychopaths and serial killers appeals to our basic human instincts for survival. If we understand them, we can identify, outwit, avoid and survive them.
In Lyle's trial testimony, he says that his mother also sexually abused him, exposing herself naked, kissing him, lying naked with him and making him touch her EVERYWHERE.
there's nothing as compelling and powerful as being able to say "well actually i was there. i served time alongside the menendez brothers. so lemme tell you whats up."
The actor who played Erik believes that the abuse was extremely traumatic and was the motive for the murder. The actor who played Lyle declines to share his opinion on the motive… Which I think speaks for itself.
There a former Menudo member (not Ricky) who has come out recently claiming he was abused by Jose when he was one of the kids in the band. That is new evidence that can be used by the brothers and could potentially lead them to a manslaughter charge
I do feel bad for the Menendez brothers. They shouldn't have gotten life. Their Dad and Mom were monsters. Just sick what they did to them. They are burning in hell now and getting justice served.
We should not judge the two young men - They did tell their family, but everyone idolized the father. The aunt admitted she was blinded by the “worship” of the father by friends and family. That level of abuse can make people disassociate and act crazy - look what Diddy was allowed to do because of fear
Those murd3rs weren't about money, it was about rage and hatred. I also believe stress played a part as their father expected perfection on all things they were apart of. Lyle carried his issues differently and internalize it. Erik was/is soft hearted. Erik wore his heart on his sleeve. I 100% believe they murd3red their parents because of the abuse (all forms of abuse they experienced) and they need to be released. I don't know how that can happen other than new evidence and new trial.
I used to call my cats (Willie & Harry) my furry Menendez brothers because they were little buggers. I swear they were trying to take me out, too. Solitary sounds terrible.
Here’s the thing, they DID tell family members. It clearly didn’t help. My thought was also that they should have told the police. But, there father was a rich, powerful, and charismatic man when he needed to be. Knowing that Nicole Brown Simpson went to the police MULTIPLE times with proof that she was being abused and in danger of being killed, they always let her rich, powerful, and charismatic man walk away laughing about how crazy women can be. Does anyone actually think that the police would have taken those boys seriously for even a second? He would have gaslighted the boys for being spoiled kids and the police would have agreed and happily accepted his cash briberies for their silence. By no means should they have gotten shot guns and done what they did but in reality, they did not have the options we think they did. What’s done is done, they have served their whole lives as prisoners. First, to awful parents and second, to an ignorant justice system. They’ve more than served the time for the crime and should be re-sentenced for time served. It’s wonderful to see all of the people supporting their freedom now!!
No Sir,we don't need to come to our own conclusion we now have access to clinical literature on PTSD and how torture and abuse affects the perception of the imminency of escapabity.This is science and decades ago a version of this phenomenon as the Battered Women's Sekf Defense ..famously used in the Ellie Nesler case
Whether they were abused or not they were adults and could have left the home, never had to see the parents again as long as they lived and gone on to live good lives. They are where they belong because of the poor choices they made.
What’s the evidence? Just because they said so! After changed their story how many times! First it was a mafia hit! If they were abused why didn’t they say so from the beginning? Why did they go on a lavish spending spree! It was all they had left as a defense. What else did they have after authorities figured out the crime!
No one who knew Jose was surprised over his murder, by all accounts he was an awful person who could have been murdered by countless people for countless reasons. No doubts he abused his children, there was plenty evidence and testimony to support the claims made by Lyle and Eric. The media and judicial system failed with this case big time, they should be released but at the least they deserve a new trial and the opportunity to present the evidence that wasn't permitted in the second trial.
I enjoyed your thoughts about this case. Why this, why that? These kind of family dramas are often very complicated. I lived above a one year old who was beaten to death by her stepfather. She was systematically abused by her stepfather and the mother knew but did nothing about it. First of all, I had no idea that this guy abused this toddler! I barely saw the kid and always from a distance. But the mother seems to love the kid when I saw them together, but she was totally in love and obsessed by this guy. She was under his spell. I was afraid of this guy, he was a dominant , aggressive macho and I tried to avoid him. These kind of man have an iron grip on the whole family, extremely complicated situations. I do believe that the brothers did fear for their life, that seems logical to me with such father.
It's not just women that like men in prison. Men do too. Gypsy Rose had over 250 men reach out to her while she was in prison and ended up marrying one of them.
I hope they get their justice. As a child SA survivor we take this trauma to the grave! Seeing their dad was a powerful man i truly believe he did SA not only his own children and many others. No one would have believed them because police/judges/political are so easily bribed with $$ as we see even today!
They went to prison for over 35 years they've done the time especially with the 50+defense witnesses and all the sexual abuse, I agree with going to prison but not life sentence with no chance of parole, Child kidnappers/molesters get not even 20 years absurd, and people are pressed they would get out after 35years instead of all those repeated offenders that pose the real threat to their society not these brothers. The fact the whole family stood behind the brothers and not the parents proves it wasn't made up. The people who believe they should rot in jail have only seen that show where the director hasn't even gone and talked to the brothers and not the hours upon hours of the trials (granted not everyone has the time to look thoroughly but they don't have a problem spewing hatred and nasty things to people who have, you don't know everything yet you pretend you do) People should be glad those parents aren't around anymore, Also medical records of the brothers with horrifying bowel and throat injuries and infections. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
There was a man in the town that I had grown up in; who did do that with his own son. He was divorced from his wife, but would come by the house that he now no longer lived in, and would take E*** into the boy's bedroom and do that horrific act with his own baby boy! ( Yeah! When you do that with your own flesh and blood (son or daughter ) that makes you less than a piece of BLEEEP!,) All with the full knowledge of the mother; which is way weird. P.s. Was Jose Menendez forced to do that with his dad when he was a kid? Not trying to make excuses, and reason away anything that being justify it in any way; but I'm just wondering.
Can you imagine how hard it was for them to sit there and tell people exactly what happened to them how must have that taken and then to be told that they are liars.who would ever put themselves through that embarrassment.people new exactly what was happening and said nothing.people say it didn't happen back then it definitely did but kept behind doors allowing sex offenders to get away with it.and those who are meant to be there to protect children are the ones involved
The interesting thing about the Menendez brothers is that after all these years, their story hasn’t changed.
So did Scott Peterson’s version, as far as I know…so I’m not sure it’s a point that strengthen their story.
I just knew about the one boy in Menudo coming forward as an adult but wow that would be huge ot the case of the sons
@@Cornellia101 I do not know if Scott changed his story a lot but I know he told outrageous lies he told Amber this would be his first Christmas without his wife you know since she died well the thing is Laci was not dead or even missing yet she was home cooking or whatever she went missing Christmas Eve 2002 well after Scott met Amber and told her he was widowed . plus Laci's hair was wrapped around a pair of pliers in a boat that Scott bought after she was dead he swore he took her to see the boat and she was alive and that he took her out on the boat yeah freaking right she is 8 months pregnant and gets sea sick what woman is gonna go out in a boat under those conditions ! I do believe Laci was on that boat but she was dead under a blue tarp the cops found
and he told Amber one time that he was in Paris standing looking at the Eiffel Tower the idiot was in Modesto with Laci;s grieving familt at a vigil he was on his phone with Amber the entire time while her mother her bio father and Step dad and brother and sister were all crying and praying for her safe return
They were framed
Not sure if someone else already commented, but the Menendez brothers told their older cousin and other family members starting in the 1970s. The brothers recounted how when they were little and back at their old home (Midwest? East Coast?) their older girl cousin came to visit and they asked if they could stay in her room and told her they were being molested and scared to go to bed in their own rooms. The older girl cousin confronted Kitty and Kitty never let the boys see her or have her over and they were in trouble after that. They boys reached out to others at least a few times but no one helped them. I believe them.
I’m not sure the boys/men would be able to function in the outside world. They were virtually in prison since they were born.
A friend in high school told me what she was going through. I never heard if this and did not k ow what to do with the information. Fear takes hold. She told me years later she told the guidance counselor, and they did nothing.
Also medical records with horrifying bowel and throat injuries and infections. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
@@ElizzzaBheartbraking. I supported a friend at trial and just her word against his. She was married and her friends husband sexually assaulted her. Just brutal.
@@ivory8581the brothers had these medical records? How horrific if so. Just horrific.
I completely believe the brothers. If you have any understanding of child sexual abuse including a mother who is cooperating by closing her eyes, you can understand the amount of rage that would cause a kid to totally blow. Tragic!
Rage I agree. Fear for their lives I don't agree.
🎉😢😢@@Disciple793
The Behaviour Panel podcast team have reviewed the brothers. They covered their testimonies in court and each of the experts opinion was that they were telling the truth.
There is absolutely NO justification in killing your parents! NONE!!!!! There was abuse on many levels, including sexual abuse in my family, but my siblings and I would NEVER have entertained the thought to off our parents, no matter how much we suffered at their hands!!! What these boys did was 💯 demonic!!! What’s tragic is the way they slaughtered their parents in cold blood!! I pray the brothers seek forgiveness from almighty God through the precious blood of Jesus Christ ✝️🧎🏽♀️🙏🏼
@@TRUST_IN_CHRIST I agree that what they did was not morally correct. But if you take in different perspectives you can understand how they felt at the time. Their mental capacity was of an 8 year old. They were suffering from severe mental health issues and trauma.
Everyone deals with abuse in their own way and of course what they did was wrong, and even they accept that. They themselves regret the very actions they took that night, so there is no need to compare their situation with yours or anyone else's. People suffer in different ways and cope with their trauma in different ways. So there is no need to compare them.
To call their actions demonic but not acknowledge the severity of their parents actions which led the brothers to killing them is wrong.
While calling their actions demonic, its important to recognise that what their parents did to their own children was even worse..
Killing someone is of course wrong, but sexually and emotionally abusing, raping and manipulating your sons, threatening them, emotionally neglecting their needs, making fun of them is even worse. This is what led to their tragic deaths as they caused trauma that their sons now have to live with, whilst they got an easier way out and are now resting peacefully.
Okay but a former Mafia boss rehabilitated into a TH-camr is the best thing I’ve found
I was thinking this lmaoooooo
Thought they were sworn to secrecy, “top 5 mafia FACTS EXPOSED as the mafia code doesn’t mention YT and internet”
Making lots of money!
The fact that they told their phychiatrist about killing their parents, is proof that they were not cold blooded murderers. The way they killed their parents was not as awful as what they have been through then and now. Please get them out. They have suffered enough.
Proof? Not killing the parents would have been proof. In this country you cannot kill unless in self defense.
No sir
Hahaha that’s called having a guilty conscience!
What's a physiatrist
My heart breaks for them 😢 how does God even allow this!
Prayers for Lyle and Erik. It's inexcusable how long society has held to the notion that men can't be victims of sexual abuse
I agree 🙏🏼
@@carolinapowell2625 So, do I!
They're guilty AF. The real travesty is that they are still alive
Wrong, prayers to their parents, the victims.
They can, but , there was zero reason for them to do what they did. Sadly there is zero proof that their dad even did this. Only a confession by Eric that he sexually assaulted his own brother. Not yo mention they could have been fed this crap by their slimy defense attorney as well. Thing is we’ll never know because their father wasn’t given the opportunity to tell his story, remember? They murdered him.
When the mother spoke of hating them she also spoke of how they took her husband away from her. This child hatred is actually fairly common with mothers who become jealous of their victimized children. Looking at them as rivals rather than innocent victims. It can be the most painful part of these crimes for the child or children involved because they always hope their mother will protect them and believe them. That emotional betrayal that takes place with their own mother turning on them in fits of jealousy, and watching as it happens without stopping it and protecting her children is often described as being more painful than the sexual abuses going on. It stays with the children forever.
This sounds like jen soto also regarding her daughter maddie 😢
well her husband loved ass instead so
This comment!!! I could always tell that Lyle was hurt more by the actions or inactions of his mother rather than his father…..it is really the worst kind of betrayal that one can experience…
I tried to tell my Mom that her BF was making advances to me and her response was, "I am the happiest I have ever been. Don't Ruin this for me." When he finally made an attempt and I wouldn't allow it, she was drunk, he stormed out and she tried to shoot me. She was drunk and had never handled the shotgun. I was lucky as I ran. YES that is the worst part.
@@ridingtheroad185 oh my God. So terrible that you endured that. So sorry, and I hope you are well now.
I am in the appalachain mountains of NC. We need help, no water, no food, no fuel, no cell service. I'm glad my family and I know how to hunt and make a fire to cook. Please pray for all impacted by this storm. It's total devastation here. Thanks for taking my mind off of this situation here 🙂
Thinking about you from Canada. I am so sorry what you are going through. I heard FEMA is making it hard for stuff to get through.
Prayers being said. So very sorry.
Praying you you and your family and everyone else in your situation 🙏
FEMA funding was exhausted to help the “immigrants”. Good luck
I'm in Fayetteville NC baby doll. I'm so sorry you and your family and everyone there In that situation is having to go through all that 😢. It makes me upset , angry, sad. I'm so sorry 😢❤.
Just because a man has a wife & is cheating on her with another woman doesn’t mean he isn’t SA’ing his kids!! It’s about sexual deviance & power of the weak!! Jose was a very evil monster & Kitty was extremely disturbed, hateful person!!! The brothers should be released after serving 30 yrs in prison!! I’ve seen people who murder a child get the possibility of parole!!
Tell me!!!
As far as I know, the brothers' father went to live in the USA when he was a teenager, but his nationality at birth was Cuban. I am Cuban, and I have lived all my life on the island; when I was about 19 years old I first learned of the frequency with which cases of incest, involving pedophilia, occurred in my country.
It was through a neighbor who was already an older woman at the time and who took care of her mother... however, it was obvious that she resented it, I was fond of her because she was very kind to everyone, so I did not understand the dynamic with her own mother. I think one day she must have seen my bewildered expression because it was then that she told me in an aside what she and her sisters and brother suffered from the unspeakable abuses to which their father subjected them, and that this was the reason that all of them left as soon as they turned 16 - that is the age of majority in Cuba - and that eventually only she remained in Cuba. My neighbor married at 17, had a son, was widowed at 25, and never married again, devoting herself to her only son until he too emigrated. It wasn't until she was about 45 that she first went to a therapist, and to her surprise and my horror, she was told that her case was much more common than she imagined and that it was amazing how well she had done on her own without having gone to seek help first. Still, when she found out that her mother had cerebral ischemia, she took her home and took care of her. By the time she told me the story, two of her sisters had committed suicide, and the brother, as she learned from his son, was homeless and addicted to who knows what. After crying like a baby, I could only hug her and tell her that she was probably one of the strongest and most upright people I had ever known.
A few days ago I learned that she had passed away, she lived more than 8 decades, and I only hope that her spirit gets all the light and peace that she deserves.
Personally, for me pedophiles are murderers, they kill the person that could have been, and turn them into someone who needs to constantly remind themselves that not everyone around them is a monster.
Wow that’s horrifically sad but really enlightening. I had no idea incest was a such a major problem in Cuba. I live in Tampa where we have a huge Cuban population but obviously no one is opening up about that. I’m so sorry to hear that abuse is prevalent there
I believe you're telling the truth and oh how this adds so much more context to the menendez brothers case...
I agree
@@michellesassouni2863 When Cuba was "proclaimed" as a Socialist State, even if there was no referendum or any form of election, that condition included the doctrine of the "new human": that new species that was established by decree did not conceive of any member of the new society as being imperfect. The solution they found was that all the press, all the companies, EVERYTHING, including the inhabitants, became the new State's property. They were not very original, they only copied the model that already existed in what was then known as the socialist camp, with the U.S.S.R. pulling all the strings.
When the State is the only voice and the owner of all the words, television, and the press only talk or write about how wonderful our life is. There is no talk, or writing about robberies, murders, rapes, abuses, NOTHING! Because the "new human" cannot be anything other than perfect.
Our prisons have multiplied, and I understand that there are more inmates than space, but that is not talked about.
A singer dared to say in one of his songs: "Everyone wants to live in the News, nothing is missing there, not even money."
But here we have an unwritten law of silence that goes back hundreds of years: What happens at home, stays at home. They only took advantage of a pre-existing circumstance.
😢
My favorite part of this channel is watching Michael review a portrayal of historic criminal events and saying “actually I knew those guys and this is how it really went down”
Michael’s the man! Legend 💯
Last name 4 Michael?
Great review !
“Let a family member know” THEY DID DO THAT. and nothing was done about it. Erik and Lyle ran away many times but Jose always found them and it just got worse. If Jose didn’t force Erik to stay at home(so he can keep sexually assaulting him) instead of living in his dorm at UCLA then the murder would have never happened.
This is the correct answer
I agree 100% with your comment
@@RenataSUK62 thank you. because the brothers literally had their lives planned out and poor freaking Erik thinking he’s finally free only to be imprisoned by his father once again, i completely understand that this was the nail in the coffin for him. the world is a better place without those monsters here, i will always stand with the brothers.
Exactly! And in Erik’s own words: Lyle was the only person who ever protected him, and made him feel safe. So once Erik confessed to his brother that the abuse was still happening, their parent’s fates were sealed. The murders were the most extreme and drastic example of big brother protecting little brother.
Of course I don’t condone murder, but I have always understood why this happened . I believed Eric and Lyle then, I believe them now. They have always had my full support.
If there dad rated then from 6 years old year after year goodriddens there father was pedophile.
I'm just glad the brothers were able to see each other again in 2018 after years of being apart. but they deserve to live a normal life, they've served their time. they got wives and kids to love and take care of. PLEASE give them their life back.
How do Jose and Kitty get their lives back?
@supowell1 35+ years for killing your abusers more than enough.
@@supowell1they don’t deserve it back
Da fuq outta here
I dont think any child deserves what their parents did to these brothers but there is never a reason to kill especially premeditate it. They were over 18 theu had no reason to continue living with parents
I've researched this case in every detail . As a woman i have to admit this case is literal proof of how much men get discriminated against also , not just women.
I remember the case beeing covered back in the day ,i was very young. At the time everyone was talking about it . And everyone made it into a joke , as in yeah right they got abused .
People literally didn't wanna hear their story of abuse and made fun of them pretty much . If they were women things would have gone much differently.
If a father raped his little girls their whole life , I'm sure everyone would have absolutely understood why they did what they did .
I hope they finally get freed . The only injustice in this case is what happened to the two boys .
not really, just watch the case of Cynthoia Brown
MOST HIGH will take up they’re case and he will exact life for life. Proverbs 22:23
It’s hard to be a man. So many double standards. Most western men begin life with having our genitals mutilated, and everyone thinks that’s OK, but start talking about female genital mutilation and everyone freaks out.
I HIGHLY disagree because women being raped happens literally all the time every day and I rarely hear cases about it. And if there is a case , almost no one ever believes the woman even if the courts found her perpetrator guilty… and then even if the rapist is convicted, he’ll get a super light sentence or completely released in just a couple years like Harvey W and Bill Cosby!! lol wtf are you talking about????
Sadly and Unfortunately the brothers had to take matters into their own hands because nobody believed them because they are men. Male sexual assault victims deserve as much sympathy, recognition, and have their cases be taken seriously as much as female rape victims do!
Prayers for both Erik & Lyle 🙏🏽
So, it is ok to shotgun people to death because no one believes you?
Most victims of abuse don’t become murderers, sad they were abused but good job they have spent over 30 years in prison and should never be released
@@LT-sz1fjur dumb lol
@@LT-sz1fj u sound unstable
@@LT-sz1fj that makes no sense whatsoever?!?!?!
May Jose and kitty rot. Erik and Lyle will be getting A new trail in November and I’m hoping they’ll be released
They will be ❤
❤
Yes they will be free
Not a new trial. New evidence will be reviewed for the sentencing phase.
@@hugolafhugolafis this the menudo case
In the state of California, even in situations where somebody admits murder to their therapist, the therapist still must keep it confidential or they can lose their license and face legal consequences. The only reason why 1 audio tape was even admissible is because Ozeil claimed he felt somebody’s life was in danger (his own) because he claimed Lyle threatened to kill him if he told anybody. However, Ozeil’s mistress (who Ozeil called to sit in his office and eavesdrop when Lyle arrived to the office after Erik confessed) stated that she never heard Lyle threaten Ozeil at all. It was widely believed that Oziel taped the confession because he was planning on blackmailing the boys for $14 million.
the worst how these brother faces so many evils people in their life and yet they got separated for 22 years they can even forget each others voice and face
If they get a 3rd trial, the inclusion of that tape will be fought. I'm guessing it'll be thrown out due to a violation of privilege. Public sentiment affects court rulings and back in the day, there was no understanding, let alone sympathy for the brothers experience of abuse. Today, we have a better understanding of abuse and its affects on victims. Whether this gets them off entirely, I doubt. But do they get out on timed served, probably.
@@shauna7946with the first trial, the defense fought the inclusion of the tapes for 2 years & it went up to the California Supreme Court. The California Supreme Court ultimately decided the one tape was admissible due to the alleged threat during that session. Should be interesting to see what happens in the upcoming hearing.
Yep that man was very money obsessed and that's why he did what he did, there were a bunch of messages he left to that woman talking about new ideas to make money and get rich, then he said things about Lyle that were proven false
@@shauna7946I thought justice was blind? When was justice based on mass appeal?
The brothers did what most victims of abuse would love to do to their abusers‼️
Yes, but murder is still wrong. Period
Assuming they were victims of abuse, of course.
@@supowell1Dude your suspect. You're grinding hard for monsters.
@@afaceinthecrowd1983 In what way?
@@afaceinthecrowd1983wtf does that even mean what??
The Prosecutors Podcast reported that Kitty would often threaten to kill the whole family, and occasionally it would lead to Jose throwing out an entire meal that she cooked and taking them out to eat. Between that and the abuse - which often comes with threats to keep quiet, I wouldn't be surprised if the boys did legitimately fear for their lives.
Who’s the source?
@@leiakiki I don't remember, but they are licensed practicing attorneys, and are well researched and pretty careful with their claims. The series started in April/24 and is really interesting, if you wanted to check it out.
@@leiakiki Probably Murphy's series. Perhaps everyone should watch the actual trial tapes. It's all on TH-cam.
@@leiakikione reliable source for sexual abuse is a doctor at the 1st trial. Severe Bowel and throat infections and injuries. If you watch the entire trial their are expert witnesses that support much of this.
Crime weekly also had this information- the brothers themselves stated this
Erik is married and a step father. The announcement yesterday was that it's being reviewed and they are deciding about release or a new trial for the brothers because of new evidence plus a review of all of their past evidence (they had over 50 witnesses testify on their behalf). Kittys therapist also talked about her mental illnesses, her substance abuse etc. A member of a band, Menudo, that their father was involved with has also made SA allegations against Jose. Erik has stated that he did try running away but they took him home and made threats. There is new evidence to show that he did tell a cousin in a letter when younger. It was testified that Lyle had also told a friend that he and Erik were abused about 4 months prior to what happened. We always look at nature vs nurture in terms of how children grow and develop and the brothers growing up to do what they did? Nature? Well, clearly mental instability ran in the family and those things can be genetic. Then you can look at nurture for the 2. If they grow up abused as badly as they were (which IS believable when people look at all of the evidence including what was in their childhood medical records such as 7 yr old Erik going to the emergency room for injuries deep within his throat and so forth that align with abuse/SA in children) then we look deeply into their nurture and say the way they were nurtured had a deep impact on them, as it does any child. You grow up manipulated and abused? It will change the way your mind develops at every stage of development. (Another note, Eriks learning difficulties were ignored by his parents and not addressed as teachers wanted). The therapist actually was still supposed to keep things confidential per the law unless he felt directly in danger or that someone he knew was in danger. He wasn't the one that went to police initially, it was his ex gf who was a patient of his in which he carried on an affair. She originally went to the police to say that he had kidnapped and SA her and then everything spilled out leading cops to search Oziel and demand the recordings. You touched on the father having extra marital affairs and why would someone doing that abuse their sons? Power. Everything was about power. SA is almost always about POWER and a power hungry man constantly in the position of being in control and being powerful and taking the power from others? Well, that's a recipe for disaster. Children are the easiest victims and most children who are abused or SA are abused by a relative or someone close to the family. They are easy targets. Just like domestic violence victims who fear leaving their spouses, child abuse victims are often the same way. Leaving is also the most dangerous time for victims because their abuser risk losing their power and risk their secrets being exposed. Back when the brothers would have been abused and a lot of family members had an inkling to something awful happening, people still had a don't get involved mind set. Don't tell parents how to raise their kids or don't get involved in issues behind closed doors. Only in recent years has the fight for believing victims picked up ground. Only 2-10% of SA allegations are falsely made so we are looking at 90+% of all allegations holding truth.
The women on the separate juries for both brothers original trials all pretty much went manslaughter. Men went murder 1. Men tended to believe males could not be SA or could have stopped it. That ignores the manipulation and emotional and psychological aspects of the SA. The 2nd trial appears to have had bias against the brothers from the judge who was also the judge in the original 2 trials. He banned a lot of the defenses case in terms of the SA from making its way into the 2nd combined trial. The brothers family heavily supports them and backs them and the allegations.
We all know they did it, yes, but if what they say is true? Then manslaughter is the fair conviction. The law has greatly struggled in believing and helping SA victims and keeping domestic violence victims safe and sometimes victims take the law into their own hands. Any of us who are parents have to think, what would we do or at least want to do to someone who did those things to our children? Would we blame our children for doing that to an abuser? We also look at her children and it's unfathomable to think of doing those things Jose is said to have done. Personally? I believe the brothers because I think they provided enough evidence to at least give reasonable cause to believe it all. I would like to see them released.
As for why women are attracted to "bad guys" so to speak, it's in a way in our genetic make up. Women are natural care givers, we lean toward want to help or wanting to fix what we see is broken. A criminal? Oh ok he's a bad guy or he's broken..so let me love him until he's better, I can fix him - that's kind of the mind frame. Also, it gives women excitement to be honest. So I am 40 yrs old and I studied special education & psychology as my majors and minored in studying criminal law so I research cases like this for fun because it aligns with my interest. I can also admit even with all of my education and clean cut way of life, I too fell for the bad boy (oops lol) and he's now serving a 20 year sentence. I also have a cousin serving life+ for taking the lives of multiple women and he was a power hungry monster who deserves everything he gets. He was violent very early on in life and continued on with violence. The system failed by releasing him early for a r*pe conviction. He is one of those people that was born evil. His nature was to be evil. His nurturing played no role in who he became. I say this so I can make a clarification that I am not a sympathizer with those who k*ll (I don't know if youtube lets us use the world) but I can empathize with victims and people who feel pushed too far. I 100% empathize with the brothers and I don't view them as bad or evil. I don't view all criminals as bad people. I view them as individuals. Some are evil. Some just made mistakes. Some were pushed too far and so on and so forth.. Those are all my views. And I have a lot of them LOL
Geeezzzzz!! Use punctuation in your sentences. I could only read 3 lines and was lost!!
@@helloyall4355 I am sorry basic reading comprehension evaded you.
@@RescuePitties46 I thought you did an excellent job and I agreed with you.
@@marsheacaraballo6977 Thank you! Granted, I can admit I babbled on but I was just trying to touch on a lot of things mentioned in the video!
@@RescuePitties46Jose once drilled a hole in Erik's room in order to spy on him.
That story about your kid talking to Lyle, and the grocery store is funny😂😅😂 thanks for that
His poor wife LOL
I thought it was hilarious 😂 but I totally sympathize with his wife thinking the contrary lol
my grocery store story cracks me up too. When my son was 4yrs old he ran up to a female shopper & tugged her skirt turning to me & said 'look Mommy, this Daddy's favourite girlfriend.' 😄
i find it sad and full of paranoia
1 trial 56 witnesses and cameras
2 trial no witnesses and no cameras
I hope the brothers get released soon !! ❤❤❤
my heart's ACHING for the fact that the brothers have had to, time and time again, watch portrayals of their own life and trauma on TV. even though, there was a lot of research done to make it as close to reality as possible. however, society has changed. we see through the bullish!t. they don't have to worry about public opinion - I'm on their side and support them. always have, always will.
The title is a twist. The Monsters were the parents not the sons. Period
I just noticed the title and I actually thought it was saying that about the son's and I was getting angry like what the heck but I'm glad I saw your comment lol ya saved me from a bit of a mental fit 😅
Don’t be so gullible…
They are liars from the get-go. And trying to turn their victims into monsters to TRY and help mitigate their obvious guilt.
The monsters are those two manipulative, sociopathic, killers who can lie like a RUG.
They’re LIARS, it’s what they DO! It’s their life; they are murderers and liars trying to manipulate the gullible public…
How convenient that they were allegedly horribly abused by *Victims of their premeditated murder plot who cannot speak for themselves…*
But where do you draw the line the were grown men who premeditated they're plenty murders then went on a partying spree like it was 1999 2 wrongs donot make it right yes they were monsters but they created monsters who ultimately nailed them
@@michellespencer8838period
Hi Michael, my first son was born 8/12/89 about a week before the murders!!! I remember all of it, the trial everything. Many years passed before I realized what was the reason for the overkill, then it hit me, the parents were brutal and they died brutal. So I believe the abuse by both parents🙏
I was in my 30’s then so I remember it all too. I never believed the SA crap. Still don’t.
@@Shazzadut1shame
@@Shazzadut1imagine being sexually assaulted for years as a child and having someone , a stranger, say they don’t believe you. How disgusting
@@crystaldufour4719they committed the ultimate abuse, murdered their parents
@@susanohara1584oh bullshit. Image r@ping your sons, forcing them to swallow your semen while your own mother allows it to happen. And you think the parents death was equivalent? Absolutely Not. The family told stories of these boys being abused the moment they were basically born. And you think the quick death of their abusers was the ultimate abuse? Sounds like you’re protecting your own character defects
A child of socially prominent parents won't easily seek help outside the family, because the chances they'd be believed or anyone acting against a rich & powerful couple are slim. The boys probably always felt they had nowhere to turn. I had a long career as a journalist here in South Africa, and some colleagues on the case of Charlize Theron's mother (who confessed to killing her abusive husband in front of their daughter) didn't believe at all that it was the mother who did the shooting. One never knows what really goes on inside other people's family homes.
@isabelledetaillefer2726 absolutely 💯.
Yes but about the mafia part it could be true. The mafia probably did kill them and not the boys. There’s many different mafias. The dad did have drugs and drugged minors before raping them. There’s Spanish videos about other victims speaking out but now their lives are in danger of these demons are still alive but the families of other victims hopefully will offer protection
Many people are always threatened to lie give false testimony even on cameras
Yeah it was Charlize.
Truthfully, I believe the boys genuinely believed if they didn't kill the parents, they would be killed. This justifies self defense. NO ONE WOULD HAVE BELIEVED THESE BOYS! Hell, culturally we are just barely barley beginning to accept boys are often victims of sexual abuse. Late 80s and 90s?? Hellz no, with powerful Beverly Hills parents? They would not be believed. Their only way to escape the abuse was to kill in self defense. If they were girls?? They would've been lauded as heros.
I was a victim of horrible child abuse as a child
My biological father rescued me when I was 14 .
Eric and Lyle were my heroes when I was a teenager.
yeh, but theres was a lie
@@silvioponzio4287
How do we know that ?
Don’t believe everything Hollywood tells you .
A bunch of new evidence has been uncovered.
@FloridaManPat (((HUGS))) sorry you went through that!
@@silvioponzio4287there is evidence to support their story of s€xual abuse. The witnesses of abuse testified at the first trial. The brothers were convicted of first degree murder because the abuse was not allowed in the second trial. You can believe whatever you want to believe.
@@silvioponzio4287no it was not.
Totally agree with everyone who understands what abusive trauma does to young brains. How could they invent such a story? The problem is ordinary people cannot believe such things happen. They do. We all struggle with believing such things happen but they do. They do!
Bardem was so good in this show. The scene where he calls his mom was just so raw
He's the most magnetic actor I've ever seen. So extremely expressive and impressive, just 👨🍳's 💋
This always blew my mind - the first prosecutor Pam Bozanich did not believe the brothers abuse defense. Yet Pam was also the prosecutor in the McMartin Trial and believed the far fetched charges against Ray Buckey. Insane
Michael has stories to last him 5 lifetimes; good one mate.
I once worked in an office building were the fathers business was located a floor or two above us. I was never up there myself, but routinly met people in the elevator who were going up to or coming from the fathers business. Based on those interractions with people in the elevator I can tell you the father ran a very unhappy business.
What type of interactions do you have in an elevator that make it so clear that the business was causing unhappiness?
Were people getting on the elevator upset or looking miserable?
@@ReturnOfTheJ.D. Hear people verbally complaining about up there ... Women who got breast implants way to big also crying in the elevator .... those weren't your average elevator rides. Not unlike here where Michael talks about walking through L.A. Central Jail shackled ...
He drugged people including minors without their knowledge
Really? The employees called to testify, including Jose's assistant, described him as tough, but certainly not an oppressive person to work for. They have no complaints about their time working under Jose.
Their father was also sadistic and tortured them both. Plus their mother violated them. Horrific ordeals they both endured. They did let a couple of younger family members know what was going on.
It is odd that they didn't go to the authorities but the abuse started when they were very young so they probably didn't know how to break free as in go to the authorities - their parents had undermined their sense of self profoundly. Undoubtedly shame underpinned their unwillingness to go public about it all.
Authorities don’t help. Ever.
Javier bardem was gold as the dad every time he was on screen flew by
Absolutely fascinated with his performance.
he was a terrifying presence. he did an amazing job!
I couldn't even look at him sometimes, he was so good 😊
Punctuation really helps.
Amazing performance the facial expressions and the way he spoke was crazy I couldn't remember where I had seen him before but it makes sense now that he was the psychopath in No Country for Old Men he definitely has the psychopath role down
Your platform sounds good,I’ll be joining up soon as I can. My son came to me with your podcast in 2021, and told me how much I needed to hear your testimony. Unfortunately it breaks my heart, because my son died dec8,2021, and he was my life. When I watch your shows it feels like he’s still right beside me. His name was Jasper and he was a wonderful son.
So sorry for your loss. Much love ❤️
Yess erik is also married. His wife is running his TH-cam channel called Justice watchdog ☺️
Tammi is weird. Have a child with a pedo and then marry the guy that cancels his parents in the most savage way.
If there was full justice those two scumbags would have been summarily executed, instead of wasting taxpayer money keeping them alive in prison.
@@Curtis69213 right?!
shes not uploading on that channel anymore sadly
@@Curtis69213what are you talking about? she had no idea her past exhusbund would be like that and she reported him to the police but the next day she became a widow.
Remember Uncle Junior mentions this case on Season 1 of The Sopranos? When they find out Tony is seeing a psychiatrist, he mentions something about how the Menedez brothers' shrink was on the witness stand (he calls them the Escobido brothers, I think).
Damn this gonna make me rewatch the show lol
Everytime I see Tony's actor say he got a call from a mob boss at the middle of night always makes me think Micheal called him and was like bosses don't wear shorts. Lol
Great re call
This scene always stuck out to me
Literally just watched that episode lol
I remember watching the whole trial of the brothers. I felt so bad when they got on the stand and broke down, somehow I always believed something was deeper and more emotional to go through the violence of the shootings. I have kept up with them thru the years and so glad you did a video on them. I bought a sub. for Netflix just so I could watch the Monsters. I don't see how an actual movie can be made like that without knowing what all was really said and done between them all.
I felt like they were well coached. They were 21 and 18 at time of the murders. They could have just left.
@@john26660 you cant coached someone to act like traumic child no matter how good they are. abused child cant leave their abuser even the adult women and men cant leave their husband/ wife and its common for abused child thats how their brain developed more serious and there is a bond when the abuser is your own parents and that parents brainwashed them for years to think sexual act between them is normal and a wy of love
@@monotzukokuureshii Yes you can, Lyle admited that he was "working on crying for months"
@@john26660yeah. Leave ur breadwinner??? Their lives were threatened wtf
@@gulinp1crying is one thing, controlling your entire body and its micro expressions it’s impossible even for professional interrogators. Those boys were broken in pieces. The interrogation on the stand has been reviewed by multiple body language experts and all of them agreed that they were telling the truth. Now we have more victims speaking out, like one of the teenagers from the band Menudo, about being raped by Jose. This case has been a terrible injustice and proof that women are believed under any circumstance but men are not. It’s a disgrace.
“Music industry executive” tells me all I need to know about Jose Menendez.
You’re missing what most people miss. Including myself years ago. They could NOT go any other way because they told their father they were going to out him and jose threatened to kill them. If they ruined jose life and made kitty look even that much worse they would never allow that. They meaning jose and kitty. Thus was the 80s. Times were way different and casting couches were a daily thing. No one would’ve listened to the brothers then. They would’ve been betrayed as liars and been shunned by the entire town. And they would be no better off , maybe worse
I vaguely remembered the news of the Menendez brothers, but not the details. Wife & I watched the Netflix series and it just kept getting darker and darker. Absolutely crazy story. Thanks for sharing your perspective Michael. 👍
That’s where I’m at. I was around 15 years old at the time and remember the case well, but I couldn’t remember all these details.
A lot of things that they presented in the Monsters Series are conjecture, but fair conjecture. That means, there's fair speculation that some of these things occurred behind the scenes, but no proof. It was a montage of speculative scenarios. On the boat at the end, the implication was that the two boys were born sociopaths obsessed with killing people, which is one extreme speculation held by enough people to give it air time on the show, but only one among many.
All this evidence was not allowed in court by the judge. Guess judge was a pedophile. California is full of them
th-cam.com/video/ykjfIM1TP_Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=K6AMzU95p-ZixDon
Michael brings a whole new meaning to the saying "My life is a movie."
Remember , the documentary of the boy band Menudo, they talk about Jose sexually abusing the boys in the band
The name of the band speaks volumes. MEN U DO?
@@Tenzin62Boysudo would be a more fitting name for them
He was CEO of RCA ain’t no telling how many artists & bands he sexually assaulted until 1989
Surely no one has ever made up such allegations when the gravy train came up.
@windowsxp4322 maybe he was the first R Kelly or Diddy....just sayin
Unless someone has been through what they did you can’t possibly understand!! Jose was a very powerful man in Hollywood & I believe he threatened to kill Erik & Lyle if they ever told anyone because it would destroy his career & his reputation!! The guy from Menudo has came forward saying Jose SA’d him too when Jose was with Sony records!!
Of course Netflix had to throw a gay twist into it. I thought the show was ridiculous.
I cancelled that trash when they donated to Kackala.
Yes, this is a disgusting NWO Shit.
That was all Ryan Murphy, he does it in all his shows it’s his fantasy
That’s Ryan Murphy for you, all his stuff is basically what he gets off to. Great acting tho
The gay twist has been there since day one one of them is said to be a closet case and has been since day one. I remember this case when it happened perfectly
It's not ok to murder your parents..... However when you're sexually abused your child you pretty much murdered them out of a normal life. There is no amount of money that can fix that pain.
I can't even begin to imagine that pain 💔
I agree, it's one of the greatest crimes
I don’t know if anyone here has ever seen the documentary where a man who was in the group Menudo tells when he once met the Menendez’s because he basically was pimped out by his manager to the Menendez dad
Jeez. Poor Menudo. No wonder Ricky Martin turned out like he did.
I have heard this also .
Yes, I watched it. He said he was drugged and SAd when he was a teen by Jose Menendez and as a result bled for a week.
@@V.E.R.O. what an evil pile of people
Roy Rosselló was the former member of Menudo who said he was drugged & raped by Jose Menendez. The docuseries is on Peacock.
The fact that the abuse wasn't let into the 2nd trial is a travesty of justice in my opinion. If this case was tried today the outcome would be much different.
Erik was upset about how they portrayed Lyle, he didn't say anything about his own character.
His depiction is pretty accurate based on his cross examination performance.
Ì got the impression that the real Lyle was much more serious and thoughtful than the one in the show.
The Dahmer one was seedy as hell, that first episode, i smoked a joint prior for the first time in a while, creeped me out lol was very well done
Worse bit was when Jeffrey was holding the head 🗣️ kissing it. Jeffrey was sicko
@@BettysCloset yea made me feel dirty that one lol
@@06kaprice I felt sick.What was annoying when they said he wasn't racist ever though he killed several black men ,eat the penis and balls .Put the body parts in fridge.They kept talking about Jeffery wanted to be close to his victims.The media and police let it go on because he was white male from upper middle class family who was gay.Let Jeffrey be from white guy from trailer park they won't be so sympathetic and he would be called white supremacist and serial killer
You gotta love the kids 🤣🤣💀💀 running through the market calling saying: heres me and daddy friend Lyle 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
" The second coming of Houdini ' 😂 love it.
He would know.
As a victim of child molest what bugged me is them calling other people to lie and say they’re dad touched them too and how they got so good at crying that’s just a no for me
They didn't allow one bit of the abuse, verbal, physical, or $exual into the second trial. They did talk to family. A cousin got a letter which has come to light now, and an aunt was ignored when she went to the mom. Also a member of a former band managed by Jose came forward and admitted Jose graped him.
Yes, that's right , poor boys lived a very messed up life.😢
“They weren’t sophisticated at all” as he is sitting in prison right next to them 😂😂😂
😶
What does sophistication has to do with being in prison?
@@theinvisibleme4104 He means thinking things though, for example they hadn't given much thought as how they would behave in the months after the crime. They went mad with the money but a more sophisticated approach would be to lie low, get very 'depressed', and not draw attention to themselves.
@@theinvisibleme4104 And make is ever so slightly known that you are 'depressed', bewildered, not eating, sitting around crying etc.
@Robin838 they were finally free?
Thank you, Michael, for speaking about this case & your personal experience with Eric & Kyle. I am Australian & was living in California when this all happened. I remember how the brothers flashed around their money after the murders & thought their accusations of sexual abuse by their father, was all made up. After listening to your thoughts, I do feel there is truth in those accusations, now. As you said, not that it’s an excuse for murder, but it certainly helps to shed the light on….WHY?
I respect you & your wisdom. Also, I appreciate you speaking of all those people that have been let into the country, & some of the criminals that are now unaccounted for. This worries me greatly. I still have adult children & young grandchildren living in Northern California. It’s a scary time for the US & most of the world, at the moment. God Bless.
had to pause the video just to TELL YOU i love how you’re living your life right now at this age after your 1st, 2nd and 3rd season of life and the way you conduct yourself as someone who we can respect. 📝🎧
He’s from a generation of men where men still talked, looked and conducted themselves like men not like complete weirdos like many of these clowns these days. So you have nothing in common
At the end of monsters they played” girl I’m gonna miss you” and their vans went different ways! It broke my heart. They different see each other for years! This is totally sad story ! I don’t agree with murder I do believe they were molested! Even employees and family members said their dad was terrible. I think they serve their time
It's a TV program! You feel sympathy for them, because of Mili Vanilli? This is the whole problem with this case. Facts don't care about your feelings.
@@supowell1 I watched the trial in the 80s at the time people couldn’t understand that rich and privileged couldn’t molest BOYS it’s not about the song it’s about what’s right, if it was girls that happened to they would’ve been out of prison long time ago FACTS
@@Debra-lc6xu no, not FACTS, but SPECULATION. There is no hard evidence the “boys” were sexually molested. They are the only ones that say that. And the trial was in the 90s, not the 80s.
Those boys must have believed it was worth getting caught to end the living Hell. I don't blame them for celebrating. I am glad they had each other because everybody else in the world did not want to believe them!
23:05, what a world we live in today. A ex mafia telling us what "seasoned killers" would have acted like after doing a murder.
Charles Manson is not a serial killer, he din't kill anyone in his life..he influenced others to kill.
Finally someone else said it! 💯
Potato potAto. He didn’t plunge the knife, but if he had remained locked up the killing spree would have never happened.
The Story of Ed Gein is next. Charlie Hunman will portray him.
Can’t wait for that one!
That’s going to be dark
True that
A lot of this is just spiritual sickness for profit. What is the point of this artistically? Where is the value or redemption or life lessons in this? So many other more interesting & fruitful true stories to tell.
@@jaysonb.6669The fascination of psychopaths and serial killers appeals to our basic human instincts for survival. If we understand them, we can identify, outwit, avoid and survive them.
In Lyle's trial testimony, he says that his mother also sexually abused him, exposing herself naked, kissing him, lying naked with him and making him touch her EVERYWHERE.
there's nothing as compelling and powerful as being able to say "well actually i was there. i served time alongside the menendez brothers. so lemme tell you whats up."
The actors who played the boys did a really great job. I'm not sure what I really believe, but if what they say is true, their parents had in coming.
The actor who played Erik believes that the abuse was extremely traumatic and was the motive for the murder. The actor who played Lyle declines to share his opinion on the motive… Which I think speaks for itself.
What does if speak i can't comprehend im slow lol @jadeybaby007
I also think if the molestation really happened and the mom did what they say they should be let go, timed served. Who cares if a pedophile is gone.
11:41 "My friend Lyle" 😂 poor kid
Typical little one
Like that scene in Con air at the end 😮
There a former Menudo member (not Ricky) who has come out recently claiming he was abused by Jose when he was one of the kids in the band. That is new evidence that can be used by the brothers and could potentially lead them to a manslaughter charge
Yes Roy Rossello
The father said that he would rather go to trial for murder than being a pedophile. That's a threat if they tell.
Set them free
I'm disturbed see all this its affecting people also about horrific abuse
They atleast need a parole
Free them
Damn...those arms getting bigger by the episode. 💪💪💪 Stay safe Michael. Much love from Germany.
Menendez brothers met OJ and Michael?? Crazy 😂😂
This guy is 100% lying. No one lies better than the Italian mafia. Unbelievable stories, but they’re always lying. It’s great entertainment.
@@bee1444Hulk Hogan lies more than all of them combined, Terry is a wicked liar and a rotten man.
and kim kardashian!!! LMAOO
@@OnlyZanty lmao pls
I do feel bad for the Menendez brothers. They shouldn't have gotten life. Their Dad and Mom were monsters. Just sick what they did to them. They are burning in hell now and getting justice served.
We should not judge the two young men - They did tell their family, but everyone idolized the father. The aunt admitted she was blinded by the “worship” of the father by friends and family. That level of abuse can make people disassociate and act crazy - look what Diddy was allowed to do because of fear
Nice you’re doing Tulsa king???!! I can’t wait to see you in it. God bless Michael. Glory be to GOD!!!
Those murd3rs weren't about money, it was about rage and hatred. I also believe stress played a part as their father expected perfection on all things they were apart of. Lyle carried his issues differently and internalize it. Erik was/is soft hearted. Erik wore his heart on his sleeve. I 100% believe they murd3red their parents because of the abuse (all forms of abuse they experienced) and they need to be released. I don't know how that can happen other than new evidence and new trial.
I used to call my cats (Willie & Harry) my furry Menendez brothers because they were little buggers. I swear they were trying to take me out, too. Solitary sounds terrible.
Nicholas Chavez knocked it out of the park. I knew him from General Hospital and we are really gonna miss him
I believe the brothers. Especially in the 70s, nobody wanted to face it or talk about this reality.
You're the best!! Always a pleasure watching your content!!!
Here’s the thing, they DID tell family members. It clearly didn’t help. My thought was also that they should have told the police. But, there father was a rich, powerful, and charismatic man when he needed to be.
Knowing that Nicole Brown Simpson went to the police MULTIPLE times with proof that she was being abused and in danger of being killed, they always let her rich, powerful, and charismatic man walk away laughing about how crazy women can be.
Does anyone actually think that the police would have taken those boys seriously for even a second? He would have gaslighted the boys for being spoiled kids and the police would have agreed and happily accepted his cash briberies for their silence.
By no means should they have gotten shot guns and done what they did but in reality, they did not have the options we think they did. What’s done is done, they have served their whole lives as prisoners. First, to awful parents and second, to an ignorant justice system. They’ve more than served the time for the crime and should be re-sentenced for time served.
It’s wonderful to see all of the people supporting their freedom now!!
BS
Exactly
No Sir,we don't need to come to our own conclusion we now have access to clinical literature on PTSD and how torture and abuse affects the perception of the imminency of escapabity.This is science and decades ago a version of this phenomenon as the Battered Women's Sekf Defense ..famously used in the Ellie Nesler case
Whether they were abused or not they were adults and could have left the home, never had to see the parents again as long as they lived and gone on to live good lives. They are where they belong because of the poor choices they made.
Thanks for emphasizing Kitty "s failure to protect her children.........I fhknk that caused tremendous anger and fear i a child.
Why would people want to hurt Erik and Lyle who cares they killed two adults not 2 little kiddos and I believe their parents did those things to them
exactly! Lol people are just finding dumb reasons to feel sympathy for child abusers
So enjoy your content Mr Franzese.
I believe the abuse story, there was definitely something dark and awful going on.
I didn’t think we were disputing the abuse any more. There’s plenty of evidence suggesting it’s legitimacy
What’s the evidence? Just because they said so! After changed their story how many times! First it was a mafia hit! If they were abused why didn’t they say so from the beginning? Why did they go on a lavish spending spree! It was all they had left as a defense. What else did they have after authorities figured out the crime!
Episode 4..Single shot..seemingly no edits..35min+, COOPER KOCH NAILED IT & DESERVES AN AWARD!
Koch gave an interview and said it took 4 takes. It's seamless, though. He was brilliant.
@@supowell1 about 20 min in I realized, hey this is one take WTH?!!! Yes, brilliant for sure!
No one who knew Jose was surprised over his murder, by all accounts he was an awful person who could have been murdered by countless people for countless reasons. No doubts he abused his children, there was plenty evidence and testimony to support the claims made by Lyle and Eric. The media and judicial system failed with this case big time, they should be released but at the least they deserve a new trial and the opportunity to present the evidence that wasn't permitted in the second trial.
I enjoyed your thoughts about this case. Why this, why that? These kind of family dramas are often very complicated. I lived above a one year old who was beaten to death by her stepfather. She was systematically abused by her stepfather and the mother knew but did nothing about it. First of all, I had no idea that this guy abused this toddler! I barely saw the kid and always from a distance. But the mother seems to love the kid when I saw them together, but she was totally in love and obsessed by this guy. She was under his spell. I was afraid of this guy, he was a dominant , aggressive macho and I tried to avoid him. These kind of man have an iron grip on the whole family, extremely complicated situations.
I do believe that the brothers did fear for their life, that seems logical to me with such father.
Skip intro jump to topic @ 3:46
Very good discussion. I also agree that Nathan Lane as Dominick Dunne was absolutely brilliant.
You should do The Penguin. It's a comic book character but he's in the mob
Worth watching? I'm usually not into comic book stuff.
@gijoey5912 yes. You wouldn't know it was a comic if you didn't know.
Good idea! Great series so far!
@@flunder50 thanks. I will give it a go. I do like Colin Farrell as well.
The ending is actually insane .. what does that have to do with the menendez brothers?
It's not just women that like men in prison. Men do too. Gypsy Rose had over 250 men reach out to her while she was in prison and ended up marrying one of them.
I hope they get their justice. As a child SA survivor we take this trauma to the grave! Seeing their dad was a powerful man i truly believe he did SA not only his own children and many others. No one would have believed them because police/judges/political are so easily bribed with $$ as we see even today!
They have their justice. They are doing life in prison. As it should be. 🎉
They went to prison for over 35 years they've done the time especially with the 50+defense witnesses and all the sexual abuse, I agree with going to prison but not life sentence with no chance of parole, Child kidnappers/molesters get not even 20 years absurd, and people are pressed they would get out after 35years instead of all those repeated offenders that pose the real threat to their society not these brothers. The fact the whole family stood behind the brothers and not the parents proves it wasn't made up. The people who believe they should rot in jail have only seen that show where the director hasn't even gone and talked to the brothers and not the hours upon hours of the trials (granted not everyone has the time to look thoroughly but they don't have a problem spewing hatred and nasty things to people who have, you don't know everything yet you pretend you do) People should be glad those parents aren't around anymore, Also medical records of the brothers with horrifying bowel and throat injuries and infections. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
There was a man in the town that I had grown up in; who did do that with his own son. He was divorced from his wife, but would come by the house that he now no longer lived in, and would take E*** into the boy's bedroom and do that horrific act with his own baby boy! ( Yeah! When you do that with your own flesh and blood (son or daughter ) that makes you less than a piece of BLEEEP!,) All with the full knowledge of the mother; which is way weird.
P.s. Was Jose Menendez forced to do that with his dad when he was a kid? Not trying to make excuses, and reason away anything that being justify it in any way; but I'm just wondering.
Can you imagine how hard it was for them to sit there and tell people exactly what happened to them how must have that taken and then to be told that they are liars.who would ever put themselves through that embarrassment.people new exactly what was happening and said nothing.people say it didn't happen back then it definitely did but kept behind doors allowing sex offenders to get away with it.and those who are meant to be there to protect children are the ones involved
Their father abused them for decades, the mother turned a blind eye. The boys should be free.
I saw it on Netflix. I thought it was good. I think I was living in L.A. at the time. It is still a very sickning story.