Rolling stones magazine, who's opinions I don't hold in high regard, just released their top 200 rock singers. Out of curiosity, I was checking to see if my favorite singer, Peter Cetera was on it. Of course he wasn't, how could he be overlooked? Karen Carpenter was on the list none of her songs were rock, they were ballads and pop. Peter at least had a rock phase in the late 60s and early 70s and he rocked. Rollingstones has a thing against Chicago, for sure.
@@lamarravery4094 Classic Rolling Stone. They worship at the altar of "cool". They put out an Encyclopedia of Rock that had pretty much every band that ever hit the charts. They left out Matchbox Twenty. I mean, whatever you think of Matchbox Twenty, pretending they didn't exist denotes some kind of illness.
This song is incredibly underrated. One of the most passionate, longing, ballads that genuinely causes feelings to swell inside more than almost any other song that comes to mind.
@@lamarravery4094 I mean in hindsight. It may have been a hit at the time but it’s not usually mentioned these days, not as much as it should be to me.
@@BrennanBarrier It was a pretty big hit. I remember it being played on the radio alot around 1984 and 1985. But at that time any ballad sung by Peter Cetera was destined to become a hit.
Peter and Bill sound incredible together....i heard Bill in an interview say he really loved singing with Peter apart from all of the bad blood with the other Chicago members later on....
Love Peter Cetera!! No one can sing like him. Not now. Not ever. There will never be another Peter Cetera. He had to do thr right thing for himself. We all have to make choices in life, some good, some bad. Unfortunately, that's the way it is. Life isn't fair. Plain and simple. What's good for one person, may not be good for someone else. Just saying. 💖💖💖
Cómo no te Vi antes Bill, eres realmente increíble. Esta canción siempre la oía con Peter Cetera, gracias TH-cam, por traer a mi algoritmo los vídeos con Bill, you're amazing ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
I worked for a radio station in the 70's and was given many albums. I fell in love with the Sons of Champlin ever since I got their first album. I always thought that Bill would be the perfect replacement for Terry Kath, and what do you know.
Hearing Champlin sing his part back when the song was relatively new compared to how he would sing it a decade later is night and day. He would do ridiculous sounding runs and be all over the place. Peter is of course spot on, imagine that!
It’s a shame Peter will never rejoin Chicago he’s since retired from performing which is sad, I mean Bobby lamm is exactly one month younger than him and is still performing with the band.
Sounds good! Concerning the history of change here as far as groups, there’s always going to be someone who does solo work, whether they balance it out with group work or go solo entirely. Other members in Chicago still did solo projects while being in the group then and there, so I can understand the double standard concerning Peter. However, I can also understand the group wanting to maintain it’s democracy standard. Also, the reality is nothing stays the same forever. Peter, Jason, Jeff and Neil each brought and bring their own uniqueness, and no one should expect any comparison.
Sorry but I have to disagree ,no one could ever match Peters distinctive and unique voice , he is one of a kind and will always be the voice of Chicago, but I guess we all have our own opinion !!!!!
Ooooooo weeeee! Sang y'all. I had no idea David Foster produced them. I should have known that. How did I miss that? Wow. Chicago & Earth, Wind & Fire always reminded me of those groups.
The only reason why I don’t wish to the heavens that Pankow and the Horn pricks never drove Cetera away was that Chicago 18 actually was an overall good album. I wouldn’t exchange “Will You Still Love Me” or “If She Would’ve Been Faithful” for any song on Chicago 16 or 17. Besides that, the band took actually a bigger hit when they lost Cetera more than they did when they lost Kath.
Lon Tanner , can't believe you said that , Chicago 16 and 17 were the biggest selling albums of all time , he also gave them their 1st no 1 hit all over the world , no one would dare to match Peter's distintive voice , there's only one PETER CETERA !!!!!
Cetera had carried the band from the time Terry Kath died until he said goodbye in ‘85. Whether you agree, or not, Cetera WAS the de facto voice of Chicago. He was the star that the band never intended to have and it was only a matter of time before the inevitable happened. When Kath died, most of the group was mired with drug abuse and their avant-garde sound wasn’t as popular as their ballads. Cetera gave the band their first Number 1 hit with If You Leave Me Now in ‘76. The song was added at the last minute as a tune to round out the album. It was never intended to be a hit, but it instantly captured the heart of millions all over the world. At that point, their fans wanted more and demanded it from them. The group eventually fired their producer, James Guercio, and lost their record label because they wanted to be more experimental and the label wanted more ballads that could be played on radio, without editing it for time. Chicago had a double threat of drugs and writer’s block. They floundered while struggling to kick their bad habits and write music that would keep them on the radio with money coming in. Cetera finally got David Foster to be their producer and he brought Bill Champlin in as part of the deal. After hearing the material they’d written for what was going to be their 16th album, Foster quickly scrapped all of it and began working with them on all new material that would get them back on the radio and generate a few hits along the way. Cetera looked ahead and realized that the band would have to start making music videos in order to get back on the radio and to climb the Billboard charts, so he kicked the drugs and cigarettes and got himself into shape. The turnaround paid off big time, but it also served to make him the frontman of a band that was formed as a democracy where all are equal and no one person more important than another. This didn’t sit well with the rest and the inevitable friction began. By ‘84, Cetera had pretty much had it with the exhausting touring schedule and he also wanted to take some time off to be with his new family and to work on his solo career, so he made several proposals to the band to change things up a little bit. The rest of the band was not receptive to Cetera and drafted a contract that would’ve maintained the status quo and kept him in anonymity. Cetera rejected the contract and told them that he would be leaving after the completion of their Chicago 17 tour in ‘85. After Cetera left, the band eventually found Jason Scheff, and with the help of Scheff and Champlin, they were able to churn out a couple more successful albums, complete with a handful of hits that kept them on the radio and at the top of the charts. Cetera had limited success in his solo career, but he never became the breakthrough star he thought he’d be because he refused to tour extensively to support his albums and the music industry wanted him to rejoin Chicago and pick up where he left off. That dream was never to come true. Chicago isn’t really Chicago anymore, at least not the band most people remember them being in the 70s and 80s. With only 3 founding members still in the group, they sound more like a very good Chicago tribute band than Chicago. Peter Cetera ended his career doing limited dates with a symphony as his backup. His voice is tired and he had to key down the songs that everyone knows and loves in order to not embarrass himself on stage. He finally waived the white flag of retirement a couple of years ago and is enjoying his golden years with his daughters in Idaho. The one thing I believe most fans would love to see is for all of the original members get together with Bill Champlin and Chris Pinnick and do a 12 or maybe a 15 city farewell tour, just as a last hurrah… but I’m not holding my breath.
@@michaelshaffer8451 Wow, you said a lot. There were a few things that weren't accurate though. Peter didn't bring in Foster, it was Danny Seraphine that brought him in. And Cetera was already getting into shape before MTV was around. He was sober in the late 70s when most of his band mates weren't. They fired their manager because he cheated them for yrs from the contract they signed.
Gracias por compartir esta joya ! justo buscaba material en directo de Chicago con Cetera antes de su separación... y sin duda esta es su mejor canción, la letra, la letra! refleja tanto, parece una especie de espejo a lo que paso ahora....
Peter and Bill Champlin's voice mesh really well here. It's really sad They tossed both of these members under the bus on the Chicago Documentary. Such low class to not at least give credit partially to Cetera who helped get 16 going with Foster. They did the same thing to Danny Seraphin when he was fired from the band.
+JG Snave Agreed. Jason Scheff has performed well since Cetera's departure, but try as he might, he'll never sound like Peter Cetera. It's sad that the group and Cetera never could come to terms for a reunion.
+sldl04 : Peter Cetera and Jason Scheff are two different people, two different singers. Jason Scheff does an awesome job with the band doing HIS own thing. It isn't fair to compare apples to oranges. If it was Cetera who replaced Scheff, there would be the comparison there too. Chicago was great with Cetera and is still great with Scheff. People have their own opinions and that's fine, that's the beauty of music and what keeps the bands alive.
According to an interview, Peter said he wanted to do a solo album but also remain in the group (ala Phil Collins with Genesis) but management was like; not happening. So they forced his hand. Can’t really blame Peter.
+snidelywhiplash He quit a month after this performance. I had the opportunity to see them in Vancouver that year. I was serving in the army and I was on time off so I was vacationing in Vancouver, When I heard that Chicago was coming, I bought the tickets for it and seen them that year. Such a event.
how can have you seen Chicago with Cetera lately when they have not been together since 1985. The guy is now 72 so obsviously he has lost some range but he still can sing
I had been always seeing this comparing shit, I don't understand people keeps of comparing two individuals who are obviously two different entities, come on people it's common sense that they will not actually be same in voice , cetera and Scheff. Just enjoy the music.
I'm a fan of metal but Chicago is one of the biggest groups in rock music. Its first period with Terry as leader, then with Cetera in the eighties with powerful ballads and Danny Seraphine on drums, one of the best in the history of music.
Kath also sang ballads 👉 Color my world and Wishing you were here which was that latter song was written by Cetera. Cetera sang on more hits in the 70s than Kath or Lamm.
Champlin was aggravating with the "add lib" singing. I think he was shooting for being a blues singer, but failed miserably. Really never worked for Chicago live.
@@PragueImport sorry bud. You are imagining things. This was an amazingly well crafted and practically flawless performance. Hugely complex song for the entire band to do. Peter and Bill were simply stunning!
That's also what I meant, sorry if I wasn't clear. What I wanted to say is that there ARE parts where he pushes his vocals, but only when the song requires more intensity.
When I hear Peter's voice come in it gives me chills , there will Never be another PETER CETERA !!!!
Rolling stones magazine, who's opinions I don't hold in high regard, just released their top 200 rock singers. Out of curiosity, I was checking to see if my favorite singer, Peter Cetera was on it. Of course he wasn't, how could he be overlooked? Karen Carpenter was on the list none of her songs were rock, they were ballads and pop. Peter at least had a rock phase in the late 60s and early 70s and he rocked. Rollingstones has a thing against Chicago, for sure.
@@lamarravery4094 Rolling Stone sucks !
@@lamarravery4094 Classic Rolling Stone. They worship at the altar of "cool". They put out an Encyclopedia of Rock that had pretty much every band that ever hit the charts. They left out Matchbox Twenty. I mean, whatever you think of Matchbox Twenty, pretending they didn't exist denotes some kind of illness.
@@mikestevenson576 John Lennon was on the top ten on their list, he even ranked higher than Paul McCartney. John Lennon is not a great singer, lol.
This song is incredibly underrated. One of the most passionate, longing, ballads that genuinely causes feelings to swell inside more than almost any other song that comes to mind.
Their only song from the 80s I really like.
I wouldn't say underrated. It went to #3 on the top 40. Should've gone to #1 though.
@@lamarravery4094 I mean in hindsight. It may have been a hit at the time but it’s not usually mentioned these days, not as much as it should be to me.
I completely agree. It has always been my favorite song by Chicago.
@@BrennanBarrier It was a pretty big hit. I remember it being played on the radio alot around 1984 and 1985. But at that time any ballad sung by Peter Cetera was destined to become a hit.
I have been in love with Bill's voice since I was a teenager! his husky voice!!! 😁🥰🤩
Peter and Bill sound incredible together....i heard Bill in an interview say he really loved singing with Peter apart from all of the bad blood with the other Chicago members later on....
😳 Bill Champlin singing normally... That's rare!
He sang his stuff normally. He only sang the original Chicago songs like shit.
@@nickf2170 After Kath died, everyone they tried sang his stuff like shit. He was irreplaceable....
@@davewalkeden6932 True.
@@nickf2170 Kath sang like a black man. He had soul. Hendrix rated him. Highly. When he died, the original incarnation of Chicago died with him.....
Champlin has powerfull voice here. Both singers has high hit notes
I wish this was on video to see this particular live performance, as this is my favorite song sung by Peter Cetera and Bill Champlin.
When certain songs come out I was too young to understand. As time goes by I FEEL these songs .
woah, a phenomenal performance.
just wow!
1st time hearing.
ooooh that voice , Peter gives me chills 💜💜💜💜💜
Love Peter Cetera!! No one can sing like him. Not now. Not ever. There will never be another Peter Cetera. He had to do thr right thing for himself. We all have to make choices in life, some good, some bad. Unfortunately, that's the way it is. Life isn't fair. Plain and simple. What's good for one person, may not be good for someone else. Just saying. 💖💖💖
Peter made the right choice. He really should've left earlier but the timing wasn't right
Bill killled it!
Cómo no te Vi antes Bill, eres realmente increíble. Esta canción siempre la oía con Peter Cetera, gracias TH-cam, por traer a mi algoritmo los vídeos con Bill, you're amazing ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
Simplemente maravilloso Peter y Bill
Ousting the best guys in the group was a hard habit for Chicago to break...
Wow love this one sounds real good ,Pete is amazing as is bill on this one
Wanted for SOOOO along to hear Cetera's last days with Chicago...thanks for making it happen.
I worked for a radio station in the 70's and was given many albums. I fell in love with the Sons of Champlin ever since I got their first album. I always thought that Bill would be the perfect replacement for Terry Kath, and what do you know.
I think this song came out when MTV was at her peak. I remembered this song being on MTV's Top Twenty Countdown with Mark Goodman
MTV exposed Chicago's hidden gold.....Peter Cetera
Hearing Champlin sing his part back when the song was relatively new compared to how he would sing it a decade later is night and day. He would do ridiculous sounding runs and be all over the place.
Peter is of course spot on, imagine that!
One of my favorite love songs of all time! You don’t know what you got until it’s gone!!!!! I’m addicted to you baby!!! 💯✊
mine too girl! Thats 100 lol
Probably this is the only Hard Habit to Break live with the original voice of Cetera and Champlin ever recorded. And sadly no video at all.
It’s a shame Peter will never rejoin Chicago he’s since retired from performing which is sad, I mean Bobby lamm is exactly one month younger than him and is still performing with the band.
But Lamm's vocals aren't as laboring as Cetera's. Most people can sing like Lamm, not so challenging but nobody can sound like Cetera.
@@lamarravery4094 I’ve also heard stories that Lamm, pankow, & loughnane are massive douchebags.
Sounds good! Concerning the history of change here as far as groups, there’s always going to be someone who does solo work, whether they balance it out with group work or go solo entirely. Other members in Chicago still did solo projects while being in the group then and there, so I can understand the double standard concerning Peter. However, I can also understand the group wanting to maintain it’s democracy standard. Also, the reality is nothing stays the same forever. Peter, Jason, Jeff and Neil each brought and bring their own uniqueness, and no one should expect any comparison.
Sorry but I have to disagree ,no one could ever match Peters distinctive and unique voice , he is one of a kind and will always be the voice of Chicago, but I guess we all have our own opinion !!!!!
@@louisescutti1998 Peter's like Sean Connery and James Bond, the best and original.
Ooooooo weeeee! Sang y'all. I had no idea David Foster produced them. I should have known that. How did I miss that? Wow. Chicago & Earth, Wind & Fire always reminded me of those groups.
The only reason why I don’t wish to the heavens that Pankow and the Horn pricks never drove Cetera away was that Chicago 18 actually was an overall good album. I wouldn’t exchange “Will You Still Love Me” or “If She Would’ve Been Faithful” for any song on Chicago 16 or 17. Besides that, the band took actually a bigger hit when they lost Cetera more than they did when they lost Kath.
Lon Tanner , can't believe you said that , Chicago 16 and 17 were the biggest selling albums of all time , he also gave them their 1st no 1 hit all over the world , no one would dare to match Peter's distintive voice , there's only one PETER CETERA !!!!!
Cetera had carried the band from the time Terry Kath died until he said goodbye in ‘85.
Whether you agree, or not, Cetera WAS the de facto voice of Chicago. He was the star that the band never intended to have and it was only a matter of time before the inevitable happened.
When Kath died, most of the group was mired with drug abuse and their avant-garde sound wasn’t as popular as their ballads. Cetera gave the band their first Number 1 hit with If You Leave Me Now in ‘76. The song was added at the last minute as a tune to round out the album. It was never intended to be a hit, but it instantly captured the heart of millions all over the world. At that point, their fans wanted more and demanded it from them.
The group eventually fired their producer, James Guercio, and lost their record label because they wanted to be more experimental and the label wanted more ballads that could be played on radio, without editing it for time. Chicago had a double threat of drugs and writer’s block. They floundered while struggling to kick their bad habits and write music that would keep them on the radio with money coming in.
Cetera finally got David Foster to be their producer and he brought Bill Champlin in as part of the deal. After hearing the material they’d written for what was going to be their 16th album, Foster quickly scrapped all of it and began working with them on all new material that would get them back on the radio and generate a few hits along the way. Cetera looked ahead and realized that the band would have to start making music videos in order to get back on the radio and to climb the Billboard charts, so he kicked the drugs and cigarettes and got himself into shape. The turnaround paid off big time, but it also served to make him the frontman of a band that was formed as a democracy where all are equal and no one person more important than another. This didn’t sit well with the rest and the inevitable friction began.
By ‘84, Cetera had pretty much had it with the exhausting touring schedule and he also wanted to take some time off to be with his new family and to work on his solo career, so he made several proposals to the band to change things up a little bit. The rest of the band was not receptive to Cetera and drafted a contract that would’ve maintained the status quo and kept him in anonymity. Cetera rejected the contract and told them that he would be leaving after the completion of their Chicago 17 tour in ‘85.
After Cetera left, the band eventually found Jason Scheff, and with the help of Scheff and Champlin, they were able to churn out a couple more successful albums, complete with a handful of hits that kept them on the radio and at the top of the charts. Cetera had limited success in his solo career, but he never became the breakthrough star he thought he’d be because he refused to tour extensively to support his albums and the music industry wanted him to rejoin Chicago and pick up where he left off.
That dream was never to come true. Chicago isn’t really Chicago anymore, at least not the band most people remember them being in the 70s and 80s. With only 3 founding members still in the group, they sound more like a very good Chicago tribute band than Chicago. Peter Cetera ended his career doing limited dates with a symphony as his backup. His voice is tired and he had to key down the songs that everyone knows and loves in order to not embarrass himself on stage. He finally waived the white flag of retirement a couple of years ago and is enjoying his golden years with his daughters in Idaho.
The one thing I believe most fans would love to see is for all of the original members get together with Bill Champlin and Chris Pinnick and do a 12 or maybe a 15 city farewell tour, just as a last hurrah… but I’m not holding my breath.
Peter was the voice. You can't have a band without the voice. Kath was a guitar god, though. Put them altogether they were the best band.
@@michaelshaffer8451 Wow, you said a lot. There were a few things that weren't accurate though. Peter didn't bring in Foster, it was Danny Seraphine that brought him in. And Cetera was already getting into shape before MTV was around. He was sober in the late 70s when most of his band mates weren't. They fired their manager because he cheated them for yrs from the contract they signed.
loved chicago 😚😚😚
Pure magic here
Peter and Bill at their best.
Man thoes drums sound great i that sneardrum
Gracias por compartir esta joya !
justo buscaba material en directo de Chicago con Cetera antes de su separación... y sin duda esta es su mejor canción, la letra, la letra! refleja tanto, parece una especie de espejo a lo que paso ahora....
amigo estás seguro que es Cetera el que canta acá?
@@BandWsesiones si. Es cetera
Mucha gracias, los instrumentos de viento hacen recordar al Chicago de los primeros años, maravillosa interpretación. Thanks for sharing
Gracias por compartir este tesoro, Peter Cetera es lo maximo !!
Never it will be another one like him.....
Awesome!
Peter and Bill Champlin's voice mesh really well here. It's really sad They tossed both of these members under the bus on the Chicago Documentary. Such low class to not at least give credit partially to Cetera who helped get 16 going with Foster. They did the same thing to Danny Seraphin when he was fired from the band.
The biggest mistake was Chicago and Cetera splitting up.
+JG Snave
Agreed. Jason Scheff has performed well since Cetera's departure, but try as he might, he'll never sound like Peter Cetera. It's sad that the group and Cetera never could come to terms for a reunion.
+sldl04 : Peter Cetera and Jason Scheff are two different people, two different singers. Jason Scheff does an awesome job with the band doing HIS own thing. It isn't fair to compare apples to oranges. If it was Cetera who replaced Scheff, there would be the comparison there too. Chicago was great with Cetera and is still great with Scheff. People have their own opinions and that's fine, that's the beauty of music and what keeps the bands alive.
According to an interview, Peter said he wanted to do a solo album but also remain in the group (ala Phil Collins with Genesis) but management was like; not happening. So they forced his hand. Can’t really blame Peter.
Seeing Neil Donnell now makes us say this with Jeff Coffey too
Cetera left
such your a hard habit to break mi amor
They could have sung more great songs but it was just for short time., the duo between bill and peter though...
Peter was chicago mostly
"HEY BABY"
I hope there's a video of this....
Lastima que hay solo audio y no hay imagen en vivo de ese tema
Wow, this was just before Cetera quit, huh?
+snidelywhiplash
He quit a month after this performance. I had the opportunity to see them in Vancouver that year. I was serving in the army and I was on time off so I was vacationing in Vancouver, When I heard that Chicago was coming, I bought the tickets for it and seen them that year. Such a event.
Michael Zolnerovich what sucks is I saw Chicago last month with Cetera and his voice is gone
how can have you seen Chicago with Cetera lately when they have not been together since 1985. The guy is now 72 so obsviously he has lost some range but he still can sing
Pat Walsh Peters voice never changed , you must have seen his replacement !!!!!!
@@patwalsh4168 😂😂😂
I had been always seeing this comparing shit, I don't understand people keeps of comparing two individuals who are obviously two different entities, come on people it's common sense that they will not actually be same in voice , cetera and Scheff.
Just enjoy the music.
One of their biggest hits yet they didn't write it.
I'm a fan of metal but Chicago is one of the biggest groups in rock music. Its first period with Terry as leader, then with Cetera in the eighties with powerful ballads and Danny Seraphine on drums, one of the best in the history of music.
Kath also sang ballads 👉 Color my world and Wishing you were here which was that latter song was written by Cetera. Cetera sang on more hits in the 70s than Kath or Lamm.
Is it Bill singing with Peter? He sounds very different
Champlin was aggravating with the "add lib" singing. I think he was shooting for being a blues singer, but failed miserably. Really never worked for Chicago live.
@@beatapt5 They are both pretty bad here, but Bill is really off.
@@PragueImport Get your ears checked, because everyone here sounds more than fine.
@@MarcusFenix50 Listen to their 1984 concert in Japan. Then, voice your judgment of my hearing. Even the best singers get tired.
@@PragueImport sorry bud. You are imagining things. This was an amazingly well crafted and practically flawless performance.
Hugely complex song for the entire band to do.
Peter and Bill were simply stunning!
I thought it sounded good.
Bill over singing as usual.
TruthHurts58 Not so much on this one.
I agree, he powers it up when the song requires it.
I don't know why all the fuss about Bill Champlin's singing. I really dig his singing vocals.
That's also what I meant, sorry if I wasn't clear. What I wanted to say is that there ARE parts where he pushes his vocals, but only when the song requires more intensity.
TruthHurts58 Bill is the number one sought after collaborater in rock music or was at one time!