guaranteed that many men have walked into their repected churches over the years, and well.....these men were not perfect like they were........men dont go where they are not wanted or needed
@@KiRetteCouturemen are forsaking the assembly because it’s in all honesty not always there. Because a church has men doesn’t men there is a focus on growing that man in Jesus Christ.
If you really want to be Challenged Intellectually, I highly recommend watching Pauline Paradox by 119 Ministries & the Deuteronomy 13 Test. I was in church for over 30 years and it really opened up my awareness to ways I previously understood the Bible in a slightly twisted contradictory way.
Do y'all have an idea on how to attract young men in an on-campus ministry at a college? We are at a university that is 3:2 female to male, and have an even more drastic ratio in our church. Any recommendations would be really helpful, thanks!!!
Do you want to attact Christians or non-Christians? If non-Christians: debates, street evangelism (not direct John 3:16, but confront common ideas with (Biblical) common sense, like Louder with Crowder 'prove me wrong' stands), development weekends: hiking, hunting, camping, repairing poor people's homes...with time to talk. If Christian, see above, but add small groups for Bible reading and pointed discussion. These are college kids: put the bar high. get a reading list together of classics, and expect the Bible to be read through annually. CS Lewis, Schaeffer...all still relevant.
Good to see this much neglected topic discussed. Somewhat tamely. Jesus had no problem attracting men as followers, so we have a problem in view. Here's my top suggestion: stop propagating a view that says 'man, get in a building every Sunday and sing songs and hear a talk, for this is following Christ!' It ain't. If 'outside' was good enough for the early church, well then.... Second - affinity groups. All the best to all.
@@mozdicksonExcept the outside wasn't where the early church did its worship. Early Christians went to "a building every Sunday and sing songs and hear a talk." They worshipped in synagogues and houses that were transformed into a place a of worship (ie not someone's living room). Corporate worship in a physical structure goes all the way back to the tabernacle in the OT. And yes, "singing songs" is part of that corporate worship. And yes, sermons or homilies were given as well.
Why are Calvinists talking about how churches can attract men? Doesn't your theology hold that people only do what God decrees them to do? God will either decree someone to go to your church or God won't, what does "attracting" have to do with it?
@@darkknight901TGC is created by evangelical Reformed (Reformed evangelical?) Protestants which means they are some theological descendants of John Calvin.
Your understanding of Calvinism is all muddled up my friend. Please seek to understand before you slander entire sets of Christians who love the Lord but disagree with you on specific issues. You show a lack of the love of Christ.
I thought discipleship was spreading the word of the gospel. The good news. I didn’t hear any of this in the video, I really heard just becoming good role models and becoming part of up coming church program for church growth. Isn’t the church the body of Christ? and not so much the building and four walls in which we gather.
I can't speak for this video, but to my understanding discipleship encompasses much more than spreading the words of the Gospel. That's because discipleship involves believers' growth in the faith by following the Lord Jesus Christ more and more, which is accomplished by observing and learning to do all that is commanded in the word of God, by His grace in Christ.
I think you're right to be wary of what they're saying in this video because of the content, especially considering the apparent agendas that seem to be being pushed by TGC currently.
Evangelism is spreading the Gospel. Discipleship is doing what Jesus did with the twelve... Live life together, teaching them how to live as true followers of Christ, as men who are above reproach, who fear and love God, who can then repeat the process. Jesus loved these men and reinforced "others centered" agape love for them to comprehend and also to live out. Discipleship is so much more than academic or formal teaching. This is why Jesus says in John 13:35 (ESV) "By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another"
Church can't help any man who didn't have a Father who was teaching manhood to his son. A man needs his self to be established in many ways that if development is not there at the stage or age when said development is needed, it is lost and most of whatever development does happen, in this modern world, will be feminine. The only thing the church says to males is pretty much just servant leadership roles. Everything is your fault and you have to figure out what needs fixing by using interpersonal skills, or skills to merely influence your wife or children instead of just being a Man. The Church of today is, if i may use an old term, is shall i say "queer" in its application of the bible to what a real man is.
@@jackwilley9847 Even if no "foolishness intended", your comments still comes across as foolish - childish even. What's the point of your comment? You either come across as prideful or you're just admitting that you aren't a real man because you don't know what a real man is... You said things like "instead of just being a man" and "what a real man is" and I was just asking for clarity to understand your point of view. Anyone can say that the church is not teaching men to "to just be a man", and that the church isn't biblical in their application of "what a real man is". Anyone can make a claim/complaint, but so what? It doesn't matter unless you show a better way, because then you're just complaining and tearing down. You have nothing but complaints regarding the church of today, but you don't even bother to start a conversation about the solution, or what your "ideal" looks like. That's a little childish don't you think? Consider this hypothetical conversation: "This and that is wrong." "Okay, so what do you think is right?" "Only someone who is right knows what is right." -- See my point? I don't disagree with much of what you said in your original comment though, but your comments (although not insulting nor disrespectful) are childish in argument. If you think I'm wrong please let me know. I will happily admit I was wrong if you give me good reason to do so, but for now your comments have achieved nothing 🤷♂
You can start by not ripping into men on Father’s Day.
and Mother's Day, Memorial Day, Christmas, Easter, every Sunday, etc, etc, etc.
guaranteed that many men have walked into their repected churches over the years, and well.....these men were not perfect like they were........men dont go where they are not wanted or needed
Its not that men are leaving church, its the church that has left men
But are men looking for Jesus? If so, where else are they finding Him?
@@KiRetteCouture The Bible
@@CptTexas1 Good. But are they forsaking the assembly of the brethren or creating assemblies where they can serve God faithfully?
@@KiRetteCouture what assembly? The one in the dark facing the lighted professional worship team?
@@KiRetteCouturemen are forsaking the assembly because it’s in all honesty not always there. Because a church has men doesn’t men there is a focus on growing that man in Jesus Christ.
Thanks for the video, and the desire on your part to help men to rise to the tasks and be true men of God. Bless you richly, brothers.
Very helpful!
Where’s the “discipline” for women? When are they told to “women up”? They aren’t
If you really want to be Challenged Intellectually, I highly recommend watching Pauline Paradox by 119 Ministries & the
Deuteronomy 13 Test.
I was in church for over 30 years and it really opened up my awareness to ways I previously understood the Bible in a slightly twisted contradictory way.
Great advice. Btw did you hear those sounds in the background 😯
Do y'all have an idea on how to attract young men in an on-campus ministry at a college? We are at a university that is 3:2 female to male, and have an even more drastic ratio in our church. Any recommendations would be really helpful, thanks!!!
Reinstate the culture of patriarchy, and men will return.
Listen to the first speakers opening statement.
@@KiRetteCouture Yes that's how you do it: Titus 2 verse 6, that's how and give them responsibility to carry.
Do you want to attact Christians or non-Christians? If non-Christians: debates, street evangelism (not direct John 3:16, but confront common ideas with (Biblical) common sense, like Louder with Crowder 'prove me wrong' stands), development weekends: hiking, hunting, camping, repairing poor people's homes...with time to talk. If Christian, see above, but add small groups for Bible reading and pointed discussion. These are college kids: put the bar high. get a reading list together of classics, and expect the Bible to be read through annually. CS Lewis, Schaeffer...all still relevant.
Nice video editing in the first 20 seconds! The twin camera editing looks odd in a number of recent videos.
Say that again bro! 😂
Good to see this much neglected topic discussed. Somewhat tamely. Jesus had no problem attracting men as followers, so we have a problem in view. Here's my top suggestion: stop propagating a view that says 'man, get in a building every Sunday and sing songs and hear a talk, for this is following Christ!' It ain't. If 'outside' was good enough for the early church, well then.... Second - affinity groups. All the best to all.
@@mozdicksonExcept the outside wasn't where the early church did its worship. Early Christians went to "a building every Sunday and sing songs and hear a talk." They worshipped in synagogues and houses that were transformed into a place a of worship (ie not someone's living room). Corporate worship in a physical structure goes all the way back to the tabernacle in the OT. And yes, "singing songs" is part of that corporate worship. And yes, sermons or homilies were given as well.
Toxic masculinity is not a thing, masculinity has its levels and some people are just toxic… Let’s learn to separate the two
This is so important. Men being vulnerable, overcoming fear and embracing life together. God called us into community.
@3:24 biblical gender roles? You mean those roles that women don't want to have?
That pastor doesn’t get it. It’s not the “musical” guys that you aren’t reaching. SMH
Why are Calvinists talking about how churches can attract men? Doesn't your theology hold that people only do what God decrees them to do? God will either decree someone to go to your church or God won't, what does "attracting" have to do with it?
Perceptive! It's because Calvinists really know their theology is truly wrong.
I didn’t know that these guys were Calvinists
@@darkknight901TGC is created by evangelical Reformed (Reformed evangelical?) Protestants which means they are some theological descendants of John Calvin.
Your understanding of Calvinism is all muddled up my friend. Please seek to understand before you slander entire sets of Christians who love the Lord but disagree with you on specific issues. You show a lack of the love of Christ.
@@Kyletamblyn And then dont proceed to correct his understanding if he has misunderstood? That isn't helpful in any way.
I thought discipleship was spreading the word of the gospel. The good news. I didn’t hear any of this in the video, I really heard just becoming good role models and becoming part of up coming church program for church growth. Isn’t the church the body of Christ? and not so much the building and four walls in which we gather.
I can't speak for this video, but to my understanding discipleship encompasses much more than spreading the words of the Gospel. That's because discipleship involves believers' growth in the faith by following the Lord Jesus Christ more and more, which is accomplished by observing and learning to do all that is commanded in the word of God, by His grace in Christ.
I think you're right to be wary of what they're saying in this video because of the content, especially considering the apparent agendas that seem to be being pushed by TGC currently.
Evangelism is spreading the Gospel. Discipleship is doing what Jesus did with the twelve... Live life together, teaching them how to live as true followers of Christ, as men who are above reproach, who fear and love God, who can then repeat the process. Jesus loved these men and reinforced "others centered" agape love for them to comprehend and also to live out. Discipleship is so much more than academic or formal teaching. This is why Jesus says in John 13:35 (ESV) "By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another"
The guy on the right spoke about fellowshiping with men and studying the Bible regularly over 2 years.
this is done in alignment with the Word of God encouragement to do better is outreach and ministry.
the bald guy said a load of nothings, basically his ministry isnt focused on men but he will consider it after this interview
I have an idea: stop following satan.
That is true, but also vague and unhelpful.
Church can't help any man who didn't have a Father who was teaching manhood to his son. A man needs his self to be established in many ways that if development is not there at the stage or age when said development is needed, it is lost and most of whatever development does happen, in this modern world, will be feminine. The only thing the church says to males is pretty much just servant leadership roles. Everything is your fault and you have to figure out what needs fixing by using interpersonal skills, or skills to merely influence your wife or children instead of just being a Man. The Church of today is, if i may use an old term, is shall i say "queer" in its application of the bible to what a real man is.
so how would you describe a "real man"?
@@danielceltics20 only a real man would know (no insults, disrespect intended or foolishness intended)
@@jackwilley9847 Even if no "foolishness intended", your comments still comes across as foolish - childish even. What's the point of your comment? You either come across as prideful or you're just admitting that you aren't a real man because you don't know what a real man is...
You said things like "instead of just being a man" and "what a real man is" and I was just asking for clarity to understand your point of view. Anyone can say that the church is not teaching men to "to just be a man", and that the church isn't biblical in their application of "what a real man is". Anyone can make a claim/complaint, but so what? It doesn't matter unless you show a better way, because then you're just complaining and tearing down.
You have nothing but complaints regarding the church of today, but you don't even bother to start a conversation about the solution, or what your "ideal" looks like. That's a little childish don't you think?
Consider this hypothetical conversation:
"This and that is wrong."
"Okay, so what do you think is right?"
"Only someone who is right knows what is right."
-- See my point?
I don't disagree with much of what you said in your original comment though, but your comments (although not insulting nor disrespectful) are childish in argument.
If you think I'm wrong please let me know. I will happily admit I was wrong if you give me good reason to do so, but for now your comments have achieved nothing
🤷♂
I guess some people spiritually grow up and no longer need a church.
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