Hey Adam I have a pair of whites and eventime they have babies one comes out tiger and the other chick always comes out red or yellows tailed that as they mature after 3 molts they start getting more red or yellow does that mean there grandparents Cary that color also my tiger grizzles are born completely white and get the complete tiger color by 2nd molt
I am a person who raises lace pigeons in Korea.I'm always interested in your project.I'm also going to breed Tiger Grizzles this time. I support your project.Thank you for translating into Korean. It's very helpful. I'll tell you again next time.
Yes, he's been very popular since I've started including him in videos! He's actually the father of the brown hen you can see in some of my other recent videos.
I am a subscriber watching in Korea. I want to know more about Tiger Grizzle. If you like it, please do a more detailed video. I will always support you.
Thanks Adam's, Finally, the long awaited arrived. So we dont pair two black tigers to breed tigers, that is why my two black tigers is breeding whiter tigers, so if I take that whiter tiger with a black it will breed black tigers again.
One of these visits me every day and I give it seed. The other day it brought with it what looked like a baby. Was mostly black. Why is there only one? Is it an escaped domestic pegion? Are they not common in the wild? I can't find much information. I love this bird so much. I'm in Melb BTW.
Black Tigers are very Beautiful Birds.l used to have pigeons but lm 65 now and don't have the means. Totally love pigeons but now there's so many different kinds.Pigeons have been around longer than we have l think
I have racing blues and light checker and I need different colors from non racing pigeons in my racing loft is it possible and how do I achieve that and thank you so much for so informative videos I look up to you.
Hi Adam love your videos. Really interesting topics. I just got my first tiger grizzle today. 5 weeks old and still completely black hoping the white comes in after the moult
I ended up getting a black tiger grizzle by accident when a mutt with a stork pattern grizzle racer mother mated with a black Nun pigeon. The “stork” (homozygous) grizzle was apparently hiding the tiger grizzle in the almost pure-white mother. Now I know how that guy got such a weird pattern, and why he doesn’t look anything like his Nun mother. Though our Tiger grizzle was pretty spotty as a nestling; he was about 40% black and 60% white. He has gained white as he’s grown and is down to about 15% black. Yes I’m sure there’s pied in there
i had a blue bar and a highflyer pair ... they produced 2 babies a black and a silver+black... on molting one became full black with white on head and the 2nd became a grizzle but a bit more white then black...
Sounds pretty exciting and not too difficult!😀 What's the English name for the pigeon breed that the pigeon to the left of the tiger grizzle in your cell represents? If I'm correct, in Polish we call the breed "karier" - sounds similar to "carrier"... Is this coinsidence?☺
He is actually a racing homer! He does have the big wattle typical of a Carrier or Dragoon, but that's fairly normal for his family actually. He is from a very old bloodline, most modern racers don't grow wattles that big anymore.
Is there's any way to make a classic grizzle? I only have black and white colors of Barb and the problem is, we dont have yet a barb with a classic grizzle color here in the philipines.
No. Your only option is to find a similar grizzle and cross it in. You can use the same instructions I wrote here, but swap Indigo for grizzle, and Lahore for Barb. www.pigeongenetics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=847#p847
Hi Adam. How do you breed a black pigeon with white flights with no other white markings? It is as simple as breeding a black pigeon to a pigeon with pied gene? like a blue bar with a white flights?
Hi I have a male tiger grizzly like the hen in ur video the hen is a tiger grizzly mostly white and they are producing mostly white how can I get them black instead of all white
If a pigeon is not visually a tiger, then he does not have the gene, so cannot pass it on. If a bird has the tiger gene, he will visually be a tiger (barring any epistasis, but it's unlikely you'll run into those problems in a tiger breeding project).
Brother i have one male i put him with 2 hens. And after 5 attempts he never fill the eggs the tiger grizzle only is 2 years old what can i do to make him fill the eggs??
Very interesting, I never heard of tiger grizzle. I bred 100s of grizzled but no tigers that I know of. I bred a black where all the babies were black no matter what colour. The factor dominated over every other pattern. I even had pure whites but you never know what you get from them. From what I heard there is no white gene. Question after a long breeding season I saw some very odd colours come out of birds the only bred checkers and reds. Even sometimes crests would come out. Why would this be?
Tiger grizzle is a different gene to the regular and more common classic grizzle. Black is caused by a gene called "spread", and as you've learned it is dominant. Your bird must have had two copies of the black gene for all of its young to be black. There are actually a number of white genes, and that it the problem - people mix them so you never know what you'll get when combining different white genes, and you don't know what genetics the white is covering over too. Crest, and quite a lot of the rarer colours are recessive traits. They will pop up when you pair two birds who carry the hidden genes together.
@@AdamArcherPigeons thanks for your reply, the reason I read some where for the rare colour out of a pair that only bred checkers and reds checks is the dominant genes get "tired" after being bred hard. I only saw it once .
I have been waiting for this video for a long time. Thank you for sharing it. Please do an update once they are paired together and produce babies. I am going to take my tiger grizzle cock and put him with a black hen and see what they produce. Fingers crossed I will get more tiger grizzles.
Man I used to have that It was loyal I haven't feed it in a week and become So slim Then I feed him last time and Send him to the rice fields ahh good memories
@@AdamArcherPigeons I watched your colour, patter and modifiers video but was still confused. I have a male tiger grizzle should I breed it with a black hen to keep the tiger grizzle color going?
Christmas is coming, check out these:
🕊️PIGEON GEAR: amzn.to/3lNkQS7
👕MERCH STORE: teespring.com/stores/adam-archer-pigeons
Hey Adam I have a pair of whites and eventime they have babies one comes out tiger and the other chick always comes out red or yellows tailed that as they mature after 3 molts they start getting more red or yellow does that mean there grandparents Cary that color also my tiger grizzles are born completely white and get the complete tiger color by 2nd molt
I am a person who raises lace pigeons in Korea.I'm always interested in your project.I'm also going to breed Tiger Grizzles this time. I support your project.Thank you for translating into Korean. It's very helpful. I'll tell you again next time.
What are the genetics of lace pigeons and what do they look like
My appreciation having you on TH-cam Mr. Adam.
That excellent teaching is worth a sub!
Bro, your channel is the bomb
thanks!
Agreed
Excellent teaching brother!
Dude your a genius have seen some of your vids and can't belive how you know all this.well done
Thank you! I just do a lot of research...
@@AdamArcherPigeons nice.thats alot of research where abouts do you live in Australia I live in sydney
That’s an awesome bird.
That black bird look’s amazing
Yes, he's been very popular since I've started including him in videos! He's actually the father of the brown hen you can see in some of my other recent videos.
Take love from Bangladesh ❤️
Best wishes channel onwer MR adam archer pigeons dont stop
Thank you!
Another clear and easy to understand video - thanks
Thanks 😀Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for video bro.
Nice videos. Keep it up. Thanks for taking the time to share your hobby.
Always happy to help promote pigeon breeding and help my pigeon mates out 👍
Thanks for you تشکر از برنامه های زیبای شما تشکر از زیر نویس فارسی خیلی عالی
Thanks for the info bro!
Beautiful pigeons videos
Beautiful PIGEON brother
Beautiful PIGEON
Awesome Adam
Beautiful and clear brief of getting a tiger grizzle
Thanks for the video.
God bless you and your pigeons
Kripal
India
Thanks 👍
I am a subscriber watching in Korea. I want to know more about Tiger Grizzle. If you like it, please do a more detailed video. I will always support you.
I am from India and we have a trend of competetions of mostly high flying pigeons and their flying time is counted as a result
The next video you mentioned at the end of the video, thanks Adam
Nice tips
Thanks
I was about to ask you about.. Pied genes in grizzles.... But u clearly mentioned it... Thanks for this detailed video...
One small doubt is.... The possibility of. Two black birds producing blue offspring...
Thanks, yes pied is common in some tigers, but for some people that is what they want, it's an easy way to get a little extra white in them.
Two heterozygous spreads will both be black but produce 25% blue offspring.
@@AdamArcherPigeons thanks man.. Hope ur videos reach far and wide.... ✌️👍❤️
Thanks Adam's, Finally, the long awaited arrived. So we dont pair two black tigers to breed tigers, that is why my two black tigers is breeding whiter tigers, so if I take that whiter tiger with a black it will breed black tigers again.
Yes, correct
WoooooW very nice amigo
I'm glad you liked it!
One of these visits me every day and I give it seed. The other day it brought with it what looked like a baby. Was mostly black. Why is there only one? Is it an escaped domestic pegion? Are they not common in the wild? I can't find much information. I love this bird so much. I'm in Melb BTW.
Wonderful color
Good job sir 👍💝
I love Grizzles
Yea they're very popular!
@@AdamArcherPigeons sir I hug your channel and hug me back thank you 😊keepsafe
Black Tigers are very Beautiful Birds.l used to have pigeons but lm 65 now and don't have the means. Totally love pigeons but now there's so many different kinds.Pigeons have been around longer than we have l think
Do you have any faded homers, or do you have any experience with faded?
No, the only St allele I currently keep is Stipper
Nice Pigrons ❤👍👍👍
Thanks Adam!
No worries, I hope people find it helpful!
Awesome video brother !
Love from #Nepal
Very nice 👍
Very nice pigeon
I have racing blues and light checker and I need different colors from non racing pigeons in my racing loft is it possible and how do I achieve that and thank you so much for so informative videos I look up to you.
Thanks, yes I am planning a video on how to move colours into a different breed.
@@AdamArcherPigeons eagerly waiting
thanks for the info i love it!
Hi Adam love your videos. Really interesting topics. I just got my first tiger grizzle today. 5 weeks old and still completely black hoping the white comes in after the moult
Nice, yea sometimes they're quite dark in nest feather but if it is a tiger the white will moult in.
I ended up getting a black tiger grizzle by accident when a mutt with a stork pattern grizzle racer mother mated with a black Nun pigeon. The “stork” (homozygous) grizzle was apparently hiding the tiger grizzle in the almost pure-white mother. Now I know how that guy got such a weird pattern, and why he doesn’t look anything like his Nun mother. Though our Tiger grizzle was pretty spotty as a nestling; he was about 40% black and 60% white. He has gained white as he’s grown and is down to about 15% black. Yes I’m sure there’s pied in there
i had a blue bar and a highflyer pair ... they produced 2 babies a black and a silver+black... on molting one became full black with white on head and the 2nd became a grizzle but a bit more white then black...
What colour was the highflyer?
@@AdamArcherPigeons i ll send u a pic of him
احسنت النشر
Wow so nice 😍
Nice birds
Thank you Adam 👍 Like
No problem 👍
ماشاءالله تبارك الله عليك
Sounds pretty exciting and not too difficult!😀 What's the English name for the pigeon breed that the pigeon to the left of the tiger grizzle in your cell represents? If I'm correct, in Polish we call the breed "karier" - sounds similar to "carrier"... Is this coinsidence?☺
He is actually a racing homer! He does have the big wattle typical of a Carrier or Dragoon, but that's fairly normal for his family actually. He is from a very old bloodline, most modern racers don't grow wattles that big anymore.
@@AdamArcherPigeons He is really beautiful, thank you!😀🐦
Did someone say Grizzle, I love Grizzles.
They're a very popular colour!
@@AdamArcherPigeons I bought a pair of tiger grizzle from my friend for really cheap and they are soo good looking
You are a badass bro!!!
Hi this is my Brandon now just curious how do you make yellows how do you do that
Good my friend 👍👍🌹🌹🌹
Please upload more color mixing piegons tips
Will do, what colour would you like to see next?
Very interesting thank you Adam
Thanks, I hope it was helpful!
@@AdamArcherPigeons yes very much so . I had red recessive muelemans and yellow Trenton lines but had to get rid of them due to my illness
Is there's any way to make a classic grizzle? I only have black and white colors of Barb and the problem is, we dont have yet a barb with a classic grizzle color here in the philipines.
No. Your only option is to find a similar grizzle and cross it in. You can use the same instructions I wrote here, but swap Indigo for grizzle, and Lahore for Barb. www.pigeongenetics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=847#p847
@@AdamArcherPigeons Thanks for replyin sir Adam! Really appreciate your help with pigeon industry. Keep it up!
@@AdamArcherPigeons Sir last question, what pigeon breed do you think is nearest body shape with English Barb?
nice tip. sir👍
I've breed my grizzle x black pigeon out of that breeding I got a blue bar and a tiger grizzle baby
Hi Adam. How do you breed a black pigeon with white flights with no other white markings? It is as simple as breeding a black pigeon to a pigeon with pied gene? like a blue bar with a white flights?
There are lots of different pied genes, but yes, that would be the best starting point
Nice 👍
Hi I have a male tiger grizzly like the hen in ur video the hen is a tiger grizzly mostly white and they are producing mostly white how can I get them black instead of all white
Don't pair them together. Pair them to blacks or blues.
@@AdamArcherPigeons thanks I’m getting 2 blacks hen and a cock hope it works
thank you
No worries 👍
بالتوفيق و النجاح 👍✔
Hi friend! May I ask if I'm going to breed my red tiger grizzle to my pure black Hen is it possible to lay a black tiger grizzle??? Thank you friend🙂
th-cam.com/video/BXLryEbiJeo/w-d-xo.html
Are you sure your red is a tiger?
Hi Adam, what is meant by "A pigeon not expressing the gene cannot pass it to the offspring, even if he is from tiger grizzle parents"
If a pigeon is not visually a tiger, then he does not have the gene, so cannot pass it on. If a bird has the tiger gene, he will visually be a tiger (barring any epistasis, but it's unlikely you'll run into those problems in a tiger breeding project).
@@AdamArcherPigeons thanks
I was using a pied black check, now i know why thy didnt work, i will use my blach t check to see if the results change.
It will only work if you're pairing them to tiger grizzles, remember.
@@AdamArcherPigeons yes the hen is a tiger g.
Nice
So a black tiger grizzle bred to another black tiger grizzle Would give me a more white offspring?
Yes, some of the young will be homozygous tigers, which are fairly white.
@@AdamArcherPigeons alright thank you
Brother i have one male i put him with 2 hens. And after 5 attempts he never fill the eggs the tiger grizzle only is 2 years old what can i do to make him fill the eggs??
Very interesting, I never heard of tiger grizzle. I bred 100s of grizzled but no tigers that I know of. I bred a black where all the babies were black no matter what colour. The factor dominated over every other pattern.
I even had pure whites but you never know what you get from them. From what I heard there is no white gene.
Question after a long breeding season I saw some very odd colours come out of birds the only bred checkers and reds. Even sometimes crests would come out. Why would this be?
Tiger grizzle is a different gene to the regular and more common classic grizzle.
Black is caused by a gene called "spread", and as you've learned it is dominant. Your bird must have had two copies of the black gene for all of its young to be black.
There are actually a number of white genes, and that it the problem - people mix them so you never know what you'll get when combining different white genes, and you don't know what genetics the white is covering over too.
Crest, and quite a lot of the rarer colours are recessive traits. They will pop up when you pair two birds who carry the hidden genes together.
@@AdamArcherPigeons thanks for your reply, the reason I read some where for the rare colour out of a pair that only bred checkers and reds checks is the dominant genes get "tired" after being bred hard. I only saw it once .
I have been waiting for this video for a long time. Thank you for sharing it. Please do an update once they are paired together and produce babies.
I am going to take my tiger grizzle cock and put him with a black hen and see what they produce. Fingers crossed I will get more tiger grizzles.
Thanks, I will. You should get at least 50% tigered young from your tiger grizzle, so you won't need too much luck 🙂
Adam Archer Pigeons thanks again I appreciate your help by posting this video.
how to breed opal or rare color of pigeon??
yellow checker (checkered) next pls thanks!
I actually already have a pair ready to breed in the yellow project, I'll bring them out when I have a spare box
süper video...
Thank you
In abou video you show in last black pigeon I have that pigeon ,but how to modify this colour to tiger grizzlies please reply sir,,,,,,,
You need to get a tiger grizzle. You cannot create it, it is a gene, you need to find a tiger grizzle pigeon to breed with your birds.
Your from....? Am from India Andra Pradesh
Australia
Amazing
I have one of them liki it
Man I used to have that It was loyal I haven't feed it in a week and become So slim Then I feed him last time and Send him to the rice fields ahh good memories
Sir I have a question.. can we incubated racing homer eggs under different pigeons?
Yes
You can incubate expensive fancy pigeon eggs to a cheap vanilla pigeon
is it good to breed an almond gene with tiger grizle gene? pls rply
Not really. Will not produce good colour.
Cool thank you
bon travail ✔👍
If i mate white pigeon to a black pigeon .. is there any possibility i shall get a tiger grizzle ?
Typically, no. Unless your white is masking tiger grizzle, which is unlikely.
The black pigeon is so beautiful 😍 what is the breed name of black pigeon?? pleaseeee reply me
Homing pigeon
Is there any video of breeding this type pigeon
This one
How many times we want to mate to get this type of grizzle
How do you identify if it carries the dominant gene to pass on?
If a bird has any dominant gene it will be expressing it. That's why it's called dominant.
Finally😍
Yep, here it is!
I want to breed beautiful tiger grizzle. Tnx sir Adam .
Small fancier from Philippines
Breed white bars or white checks next!
Ahhhh! That means I have to get even MORE pigeons, I don't actually have dominant opals in my loft at the moment! 😅😅
What’s wrong with getting more pigeons? 🤷🏻♂️😂 It sounds like a dream to have more! 😂
What would the offspring of sibarian high flyer and white homer
Do a video on white bars
In the future, yes.
Please make a video on andulasion please 🙏
If i cant find a tiger grizzle gene bird, how can i breed a tiger grizzle??
You can't.
3:15 thats beautiful...
Thanks, my friend bred him.
Hi Adam, I am from pakistan , I really like black tiger grizal, can you tell me how much the price of a pair would be?
Hello sir
I have a black tiger pair male and female are nearly duplicate of each other, in which color they produce chicks?
Regards
Loft 313 Pakistan
More tiger grizzle most likely, some will be homozygous tigers which are more white than black.
Do you have any information on chocolate bar?
Do you mean indigo? Yes, I am working in a video about indigo. It'll be out within a month.
Which colour should be female and which colour should be male to breed black tiger grizzle?? Plzz rpy sir🙏
The genes are autosomal, the gender of the parents doesn't matter. You need a tiger grizzle to produce more of them.
@@AdamArcherPigeons Thank you sir🙏🙏
@@AdamArcherPigeons sir plz make a video on how to breed huge wattle racing pigeons
Sorry I'm a newbie. What is spread?
Spread is the gene that changes a blue bar into a black. It is a dominant modifier gene - I'd recommend my genetics series for beginners :)
@@AdamArcherPigeons I watched your colour, patter and modifiers video but was still confused. I have a male tiger grizzle should I breed it with a black hen to keep the tiger grizzle color going?
@@huhu8047 A black is fine to use, yes, or a blue :)
@AdamArcherPigeons how do you breed red tiger grizzle?
Bro how many times in a year pigeon produces eggs?
Maybe 6 rounds of eggs, if breeding all year round.
10 rounds