@theironhorse6600 Very kind words, Sir!! I've got a couple of interesting things in the pipe; some of which, I haven't spoken with you about yet!! That ol' "box" ain't no place for thinkin!!
@jaysparrowhawk9388 Harvey is a standup guy, ain't he??!! I'm sure happy you decided to stop in and say hello and awful glad to have you here. I can't hold a candle to Harvey's knowledge, but we sure have fun testing stuff. Thanks stopping in and especially for joining-in.
With headers and pipes it’s all about thermal restriction and how the thermals are working in the pipe, those kind of pipes are working on thermals/rather than sonic wave so glad you pointed that out. Hot air does not like going through cold air. It will create a thermal dam/restriction. Some people might even be surprised to know that top fuel dragsters headers even though it’s just a straight open pipe is tuned to a specific length so there’s no thermal restriction.
@jonathanhensley8685 YES SIR!!! I was just talking to a fellow tonight and was telling him about the pipe on my pulling tractor from years ago; I had a genuine dyno for tractors (at the time) and know how to tune the length of a pipe with a thermometer; I translated THAT to the saws... it's one of just a few things that translate between 2 stroke and 4 stroke. It's a combination of thermals, and the speed at which the gasses are moving... or greatly slowing, for a moment. Thanks for adding; you were able to put it into far better words than I!!
I think it would be fabulous to see a bunch of subs in here all pick up a 361 lego kit or pre built, do what ever level of modifications they are comfortable with, and then send you a video file of the saw. Say a 30 second clip with an overview of their build and a cut, for a Chanel hosted compilation. Maybe near the end of winter or something, after you have time to show us all the best modifications of course. Outstanding work with the pipe, thank you for sharing.
@Archer_82 Good idea!! I was going a different direction by getting a PO Box (for just a modicum of anonymity) so people could send a pipe, piston, carb (or whatever) for "Ruth" (I've already named the "Mule" after Festus' Mule on Gunsmoke... even though I aint even bought the saw yet... waiting on feedback on whether or not the 361). I got waaaay off in the weeds there, didn't I?? Anyway, if people wanted to pay the postage both ways, I could test certain bolt-on parts or deeper parts if the situation warrants it. That's the direction I was going, but I like your idea just as well, if not better. Thanks for being a dependable sounding board!!
@toddzilla6491 Thanks!! I enjoy making them and collecting data; it's only ONE more step to share the knowledge! Thanks for putting the last piece in the puzzle by watching and joining-in down here!
I bought a MS361 kit a while back along with some extra piston / cylinder kits and some other parts to do some experimenting with. That's going to be my winter project hopefully. It seems like with some porting it can probably do 90% of what I use both smaller and bigger saws for.
@JohnSheerin Dad has a 361 (genuine) that he's had for many years; it *IS* a good all-around saw even in stock form. Like you, I think a spicy 361 will put my MS440 out of business. THEN I can spice the 440 to put the 660 out of business... THEN I can spice the 660... where does it end??!! 🤣🙄
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 Yeah, I bought some cylinders for my 660 clone at the same time, so that would be the next project. I've seen people get the 361 over 660 levels of power, but I assume it might have heat and/or longevity issues. So maybe 361 for most things for me (mostly clearing storm damage, so shorter cuts) and keep the 660 a bit milder as I want to do some milling with it.
@JohnSheerin Sounds like pretty decent plan!! I think I will start mild and build up so that I can test and share along the way. I don't need it for a saw to use; I just want it as a test mule to try different things and theories. Those 660s can be beasts!!
U can see some variation between the different stinger lengths and torque most likely the diameter - There definitely is a “sweet spot” where all the stars align giving you the best overall power. The Ironhorse pipe design really broadens the torque curve and performs well in the timber. Good vidja - tainment here !
@fabzacres-blackcat Yes DIAMETER!!! I ain't even got off in the weeds with THAT yet. I suspect that larger diameter will also need longer length... that's just my suspicion. I know that YOU know, but building pipes and changing pipes AIN'T a 10 minute job!! The adjustable one saved me countless hours, but I can't change the diameter easily/quickly. Speaking of 'tainment... didn't know you plucked a geeetar!!
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 yah , I pick a decent git - fiddle … some -flatpicking and pick and fingers technique, kind of a hybrid technique which allows you to cover both ends of the guitar. I like just about all styles except for some long haired jazz - could never quite figure out what some of the guys were doing … 😹 if I rubbed a lamp 🪔 and a genie 🧞 granted me 3 wishes one of em would be to be able to pick like this guy! I can get very close to emulating other players to try and understand their approach to the instrument but this guy is on a whole other level. His speed and precision is unmatched and it’s all CLEAN picking … th-cam.com/video/iywt3tbGbSE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=BRdf6XLeqiHtd0Bk
@@Kevin.L_ only guy in the world who can play Albert IS Albert … I saw him at the sportsman tavern here in Buffalo NY - was as close as I could get to try and steal some riffs 😂 … He’s a good guy too - from England believe it or not !
@fabzacres-blackcat Man O Man, he can sure bend them gee-tar strings, can't he??!! I've never seen him before (but my music taste is a little antiquated); one of my favorites is Jerry Reed; there's a neat/cool story about him being hired to play the guitar for Elvis' release of "Guitar Man"; he actually had the upper-hand in negotiations... because NO ONE else could replicate the sound. I ain't no musician... I can't even play the radio, but I enjoy good tunes.
That was so boring I'll have to watch it again to get to sleep tonight. I still like your cut factor idea. RPM is too important to ignore and just watch HP. Good stuff indeed.
@Kevin.L_ You caught me!! I'm trying to break into the "white noise" market!! People actually PAY for stuff to put 'em to sleep??!! I agree; dyno numbers without further considerations, are near worthless... I aint selling cars or chainsaws, so a "number" ain't a "selling point", is it!!?? Thanks Kevin; be safe!!
@190mech1 Thanks for the feedback; I've already got them in the "cart", but I ain't pulled the trigger yet; been waiting to get this video to get edited, released, and (hopefully) get a little feedback... unlike sometimes in life, your vote matters here! 😉
@PurpleNovember I think the 261 has FAR greater potential; it has a far superior (less restrictive) carb/air filter setup and some other improvements. I've never had one in my hands, but I've looked at some of the components and see great leaps past its older brothers. Thanks for hanging out and being a part of "us" here!!
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 Thanks! I like the learning and thinking outside of the box and being able to test the results. I’ve been surprised by the MS261CM’s and MS241CM’s. Those saws in particular seem to be governed down significantly from the factory. I can’t believe the extra power just from opening up the exhaust and removing the plastic baffle for the stock air filter. I also think there’s a lot that can be learned and improved with the strato saws. The 500i has plenty of power but the 261 is a lot nicer on fuel. Could the some strato saws be modded for fuel efficiency and spicy….
@PurpleNovember SPOILER ALERT!! I just picked up a strato saw two days ago (I'm @2 months behind on editing/releasing videos). While baling hay, I came up with a HAIR BRAINED scheme to deploy on such a saw; if it works... 💪💪 I might (probably) will harm the fuel efficiency, but OH WHAT FUN!!!
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 If the peak torque can be moved higher in the band then it’ll use less fuel per horsepower. So it’ll probably use more fuel but should be more efficient overall(?). I’m curious about using wash patterns to dimple the piston on a spiced saw.
@PurpleNovember I'm not sure on fuel economy VS RPM range; I just don't know... yet. I plan to modify the fuel line on the next saw so that I can measure HP/Hour fuel consumption. I know YOU know, but for anyone reading, I'm just a curious hack; I've got WAY more questions than answers... I'm just trying to answer them one at a time. Speaking of being a hack, I don't understand "using wash patters" to dimple the piston. I've got an idea... PLUS, you just gave me another hair brained idea!!!! Elaborate on the "using wash patters to dimple"?
Rather than peak hp and peak hp rpm it's probably a better measure of a saw to show how many idiot bricks you could stack under the graph. The graph at 13:18 shows that the idiot bricks weigh about the same but you can fit a whole heap more of them under the red tarp compared to the other 2.
@Alan_Hans__ Hahaha! Now there's an idea!! Alan, if we ever get *REAL GOOD* we could try to build saws to produce a HP curve of a specific shape... kinda like looking at clouds and seeing bears, birds, etc... I could take orders for "I want a saw with a torque curve that looks like the roof line of a 1972 Buick Skylark!!" Dangit, we're on to something NOW!!!!
@Alan_Hans__ You dang whippersnappers!! I suppose you want me to do it while modding an ELECTRIC CHAINSAW too?? ... I'll get to rewinding the stator... BRB... 😉🤣
@alltherpm 😁😉 I, being a hack and all, like to have SOMETHING of a variable in each test to be the scapegoat... I can't be bothered by accepting my OWN responsibility!! Thanks for joining-in; welcome!!
I love this kind of content! This guy is carrying this to the next level! Can’t wait to see what happens next!
@theironhorse6600 Very kind words, Sir!! I've got a couple of interesting things in the pipe; some of which, I haven't spoken with you about yet!! That ol' "box" ain't no place for thinkin!!
Harvey said we should go to your channel and subscribe just for the hell of it, here I am and I like what you’re doing. Hello from Somerset UK
@jaysparrowhawk9388 Harvey is a standup guy, ain't he??!! I'm sure happy you decided to stop in and say hello and awful glad to have you here. I can't hold a candle to Harvey's knowledge, but we sure have fun testing stuff. Thanks stopping in and especially for joining-in.
With headers and pipes it’s all about thermal restriction and how the thermals are working in the pipe, those kind of pipes are working on thermals/rather than sonic wave so glad you pointed that out. Hot air does not like going through cold air. It will create a thermal dam/restriction.
Some people might even be surprised to know that top fuel dragsters headers even though it’s just a straight open pipe is tuned to a specific length so there’s no thermal restriction.
@jonathanhensley8685 YES SIR!!! I was just talking to a fellow tonight and was telling him about the pipe on my pulling tractor from years ago; I had a genuine dyno for tractors (at the time) and know how to tune the length of a pipe with a thermometer; I translated THAT to the saws... it's one of just a few things that translate between 2 stroke and 4 stroke. It's a combination of thermals, and the speed at which the gasses are moving... or greatly slowing, for a moment. Thanks for adding; you were able to put it into far better words than I!!
You’re doing exactly what I wanted to do with the adjustable pipe testing. As much work as it is I’m kinda glad you beat me to it. Lol
@FarmlessFarmer-xs1he You can race me to the adjustable Eagan Straight Shot and the Bark Box; I have ideas for both/either! 😉
Interesting… thanks!
@dpete8995 No problem; thanks for joining-in!
I think it would be fabulous to see a bunch of subs in here all pick up a 361 lego kit or pre built, do what ever level of modifications they are comfortable with, and then send you a video file of the saw. Say a 30 second clip with an overview of their build and a cut, for a Chanel hosted compilation. Maybe near the end of winter or something, after you have time to show us all the best modifications of course. Outstanding work with the pipe, thank you for sharing.
@Archer_82 Good idea!! I was going a different direction by getting a PO Box (for just a modicum of anonymity) so people could send a pipe, piston, carb (or whatever) for "Ruth" (I've already named the "Mule" after Festus' Mule on Gunsmoke... even though I aint even bought the saw yet... waiting on feedback on whether or not the 361). I got waaaay off in the weeds there, didn't I?? Anyway, if people wanted to pay the postage both ways, I could test certain bolt-on parts or deeper parts if the situation warrants it.
That's the direction I was going, but I like your idea just as well, if not better. Thanks for being a dependable sounding board!!
Thanks again for another video full of relevant data👍
@toddzilla6491 Thanks!! I enjoy making them and collecting data; it's only ONE more step to share the knowledge! Thanks for putting the last piece in the puzzle by watching and joining-in down here!
@@HayChaffandSawdust1
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I bought a MS361 kit a while back along with some extra piston / cylinder kits and some other parts to do some experimenting with. That's going to be my winter project hopefully. It seems like with some porting it can probably do 90% of what I use both smaller and bigger saws for.
@JohnSheerin Dad has a 361 (genuine) that he's had for many years; it *IS* a good all-around saw even in stock form. Like you, I think a spicy 361 will put my MS440 out of business. THEN I can spice the 440 to put the 660 out of business... THEN I can spice the 660... where does it end??!! 🤣🙄
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 Yeah, I bought some cylinders for my 660 clone at the same time, so that would be the next project. I've seen people get the 361 over 660 levels of power, but I assume it might have heat and/or longevity issues. So maybe 361 for most things for me (mostly clearing storm damage, so shorter cuts) and keep the 660 a bit milder as I want to do some milling with it.
@JohnSheerin Sounds like pretty decent plan!! I think I will start mild and build up so that I can test and share along the way. I don't need it for a saw to use; I just want it as a test mule to try different things and theories. Those 660s can be beasts!!
Awesome sauce 😊
@coxsaws Thank ya Sir!! Always good to hear from ya!!
U can see some variation between the different stinger lengths and torque most likely the diameter - There definitely is a “sweet spot” where all the stars align giving you the best overall power. The Ironhorse pipe design really broadens the torque curve and performs well in the timber. Good vidja - tainment here !
@fabzacres-blackcat Yes DIAMETER!!! I ain't even got off in the weeds with THAT yet. I suspect that larger diameter will also need longer length... that's just my suspicion. I know that YOU know, but building pipes and changing pipes AIN'T a 10 minute job!! The adjustable one saved me countless hours, but I can't change the diameter easily/quickly. Speaking of 'tainment... didn't know you plucked a geeetar!!
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 yah , I pick a decent git - fiddle … some -flatpicking and pick and fingers technique, kind of a hybrid technique which allows you to cover both ends of the guitar. I like just about all styles except for some long haired jazz - could never quite figure out what some of the guys were doing … 😹 if I rubbed a lamp 🪔 and a genie 🧞 granted me 3 wishes one of em would be to be able to pick like this guy! I can get very close to emulating other players to try and understand their approach to the instrument but this guy is on a whole other level. His speed and precision is unmatched and it’s all CLEAN picking … th-cam.com/video/iywt3tbGbSE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=BRdf6XLeqiHtd0Bk
@@fabzacres-blackcat My son is pretty good on a guitar, but that Albert is on another level.
@@Kevin.L_ only guy in the world who can play Albert IS Albert … I saw him at the sportsman tavern here in Buffalo NY - was as close as I could get to try and steal some riffs 😂 … He’s a good guy too - from England believe it or not !
@fabzacres-blackcat Man O Man, he can sure bend them gee-tar strings, can't he??!! I've never seen him before (but my music taste is a little antiquated); one of my favorites is Jerry Reed; there's a neat/cool story about him being hired to play the guitar for Elvis' release of "Guitar Man"; he actually had the upper-hand in negotiations... because NO ONE else could replicate the sound. I ain't no musician... I can't even play the radio, but I enjoy good tunes.
That was so boring I'll have to watch it again to get to sleep tonight.
I still like your cut factor idea. RPM is too important to ignore and just watch HP.
Good stuff indeed.
@Kevin.L_ You caught me!! I'm trying to break into the "white noise" market!! People actually PAY for stuff to put 'em to sleep??!!
I agree; dyno numbers without further considerations, are near worthless... I aint selling cars or chainsaws, so a "number" ain't a "selling point", is it!!?? Thanks Kevin; be safe!!
Yes to MS361/G366 next test mule!!
@190mech1 Thanks for the feedback; I've already got them in the "cart", but I ain't pulled the trigger yet; been waiting to get this video to get edited, released, and (hopefully) get a little feedback... unlike sometimes in life, your vote matters here! 😉
I’m curious what you could do with a MS261.
Tons of great information here as always!
@PurpleNovember I think the 261 has FAR greater potential; it has a far superior (less restrictive) carb/air filter setup and some other improvements. I've never had one in my hands, but I've looked at some of the components and see great leaps past its older brothers. Thanks for hanging out and being a part of "us" here!!
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 Thanks! I like the learning and thinking outside of the box and being able to test the results.
I’ve been surprised by the MS261CM’s and MS241CM’s. Those saws in particular seem to be governed down significantly from the factory. I can’t believe the extra power just from opening up the exhaust and removing the plastic baffle for the stock air filter. I also think there’s a lot that can be learned and improved with the strato saws. The 500i has plenty of power but the 261 is a lot nicer on fuel. Could the some strato saws be modded for fuel efficiency and spicy….
@PurpleNovember SPOILER ALERT!! I just picked up a strato saw two days ago (I'm @2 months behind on editing/releasing videos). While baling hay, I came up with a HAIR BRAINED scheme to deploy on such a saw; if it works... 💪💪 I might (probably) will harm the fuel efficiency, but OH WHAT FUN!!!
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 If the peak torque can be moved higher in the band then it’ll use less fuel per horsepower. So it’ll probably use more fuel but should be more efficient overall(?).
I’m curious about using wash patterns to dimple the piston on a spiced saw.
@PurpleNovember I'm not sure on fuel economy VS RPM range; I just don't know... yet. I plan to modify the fuel line on the next saw so that I can measure HP/Hour fuel consumption. I know YOU know, but for anyone reading, I'm just a curious hack; I've got WAY more questions than answers... I'm just trying to answer them one at a time.
Speaking of being a hack, I don't understand "using wash patters" to dimple the piston. I've got an idea... PLUS, you just gave me another hair brained idea!!!!
Elaborate on the "using wash patters to dimple"?
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@jackpinesavageadventures3142 Welcome; thanks for joining-in down here! Minnesota??
Rather than peak hp and peak hp rpm it's probably a better measure of a saw to show how many idiot bricks you could stack under the graph. The graph at 13:18 shows that the idiot bricks weigh about the same but you can fit a whole heap more of them under the red tarp compared to the other 2.
@Alan_Hans__ Hahaha! Now there's an idea!! Alan, if we ever get *REAL GOOD* we could try to build saws to produce a HP curve of a specific shape... kinda like looking at clouds and seeing bears, birds, etc... I could take orders for "I want a saw with a torque curve that looks like the roof line of a 1972 Buick Skylark!!" Dangit, we're on to something NOW!!!!
You're thinking so last century. I want a torque curve that has the same as the roof profile as a Tesla Cybertruck. 😆😆😆
@Alan_Hans__ You dang whippersnappers!! I suppose you want me to do it while modding an ELECTRIC CHAINSAW too??
... I'll get to rewinding the stator... BRB... 😉🤣
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@keepcalm1104 I think so too!!! Thanks for joining in and weighing-in!!
You sure it’s not the same underwear, just inside out. lol
@krazy8ball Could be 🤷♂️😉... can't remember if that was an "even" day or an "odd" day. 😉
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 haha.. that is great!
@dhomg5875 Thanks for joining-in; WELCOME!!
Since u changed ur underwear its not a valid test?
@alltherpm 😁😉 I, being a hack and all, like to have SOMETHING of a variable in each test to be the scapegoat... I can't be bothered by accepting my OWN responsibility!! Thanks for joining-in; welcome!!