Why has UK support for Israel 'disappeared' so quickly? | LBC analysis
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- James O'Brien explains why support for Israel in the UK has 'disappeared' after the deaths of three British aid workers in Gaza.
It comes amid growing calls for the UK to stop sending arms to Israel, including by LBC's Nick Ferrari.
Meanwhile, Rishi Sunak has been warned that continuing to export weapons to Israel could be a breach of international law.
More than 600 lawyers and experts, including three former Supreme Court justices, made the warning in a letter over the situation in Gaza.
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3 brits... 30,000 Palestinians. So 1 brit is worth 10,000 Palestinians? Humanity is really at its worst!😢
There is slavery in Libya and South Sudan what have you done to help them
@@greamespens1460whataboutism?
@@greamespens1460 Gaddafi's Libya had: free healthcare, free education, free electricity, increased Libyan literacy.
Killary Clinton on Gaddafi: "We came, we saw, he died".
To understand geopolitics, you must learn about imperialism and their Ruse Based Disorder, their eternal wars for profit, treating the world as a board game of Monopoly, controlling elections and the elected, manipulating the public with lies and misinformation through their imperialist media.
We'll all be better off in a multipolar world with the rise of the Global South and the fall of the US empire and its European vassals, where 𝗽𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲, 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝗻𝗲𝘁 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗽𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗲 𝘁𝗮𝗸𝗲𝘀 𝗽𝗿𝗲𝗰𝗲𝗱𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗳𝗶𝘁.
@@automaticcaptionsit's deflection- classic Hasbara auto reply strategy for any criticism against Israel
@greamespens1460 why are you changing the topic?
The hypocrisy of Britain is awful
4 of the charity aid workers that were killed by Israel served in the forces
One was a military veteran who served in Bosnia and Afghanistan
One was a special forces member
One was a royal marine for 6 years
One served in Canadian Armed Forces for 11 years
All 4 were killed serving the needy and none will receive a military or state funeral of any sort
Now imagine if they were killed by Hamas….
They were not targeted by Hamas but IDF 😢!!!
I think you miss the point being made...@@LukVik
@LukVik Read his comment again, you misunderstood
@@notsoaveragejoe7275 Sorry ☹️, my mistake!!!
No they died serving the Greedy
small quibble, october 7th was not the original sin. Israel has been committing 'october-7ths' against palestinians for decades.
Hmm lots of terrorists coming in and killing civilians is a small quibble ? are you mental ? Having lived in Israel there were rocket attacks on a daily basis aimed into Israel. The only reason there wasn't 1000s of deaths is because of Iron Dome, Try and find me an example of where Israel has acted first against PLO or Hamas , it has only ever acted in retaliation. Look at the original situation of Gaza , it came into Israeli hands when all those around it tried to destroy Israel and Israel gained the land during the war. It then offered the land back on multiple occasions all of which were rejected because of the 3 nos mandate.
The original sin is Britain deciding that Palestine didn't get to exist in 1918 James.
James won’t go beyond 7/10
Britain did no such thing. After the First World War, and the end of the Ottoman Empire, Britain was handed the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine, a former part of the Ottoman Empire. Britain administered the Mandate until after the end of WW2 and discouraged Jewish immigration to the region because it created disorder. The views of Palestinians and Zionists being incompatible - to say the least. After WW2, political pressure, especially from the US, lead Britain to give up the Mandate in 1948 - after several years of being caught in the middle of attacks from both sides. A few minutes after midnight, on the last day of British administration, David ben Gurion went on the radio to declare the existence of the State of Israel.
@@realhorrorshow8547 Britain wasn't 'handed' the mandate. The ottoman empire was broken up and handed out as war reparations to western powers. Britain took Palestine, France took Syria etc. Former pm Balfour had announced his intention to do this as an Anglican zionist in 1917 and immediately put the Palestinian people under military rule with a policy of collective punishment for resistance. Feel free to look up what he said about the 700,000 displaced Palestinians who lost thier homes and farms under the first tranche of land seizure or any of the many revolts that occurred from 1920 to 1939 and the brutal way the military punished civilians afterwards.
@realhorrorshow8547 what? Arthur balfour had nothing to do with it? Mate, get it together!
@@realhorrorshow8547Palestine belongs to Palestinians not Eastern European Ashkenazim.
More people need to realise that Palestinians also have a right to defend themselves from their occupiers.
@DaringionDefending themselves? They're being slaughtered.
Shut it
@@lordship1543Sure but that doesn't mean they lose the right to defend themselves. Tbh if you've watched the ICJ hearings, many have argued that given Israel is an occupying force (de facto in Gaza and de jure in the west bank), they as the occupier have NO right to self defence
@@waqasahmed939There are no Palestinians, therefore nothing to occupy.
@@zippymufo9765 Sounds like something a weird mustache man might say.
34,000 dead Palestinians later and it takes the deaths of "3" englishmen to see support for extinction in Gaza to lose momentum.
Absolutely! But look at it this way: better late than never.
You included hamas deaths because?
In Government and media, yes. The public have been behind a ceasefire for ages. There are massive marches all the time.
As with Iraq, those who rule over us don't listen to us.
@@olmostgudinaf8100 I really don’t know if it is. When you have hundreds of thousands marching through London, week after week, for months on end and nothing comes of it. Protestors are vilified, slandered as terrorist supporters.
This just shows that irrespective of actual war crimes being committed, and the British public expressing outrage at our involvement, the government doesn’t care. Not a shred.
@@louisjefferies2733british doctors have been working in these so called hamas headquarters of hospitals for months, and they say themselves as British white citizens, not once have they seen hamas militants in the hospital, funny that?
Because Palestinians have been dehumanized for decades.
No one's fault but their own
Yes. I believe this too. Brown and black people have been dehumanised world over, for years. Very telling is the sort of news coverage people 'of colour' in predominantly white countries get. If they've committed a crime - endless hours spent on the story, if a black or brown person is murdered or missing, it's a mere footnote.
Sadly true, although they are the powerless victims
@@An-Alien-On-Earthit's the British government agents own fault for being their 😮
@@kendiamond8722 well they should have known better let's put it that way. Why risk your life for a religion that wants to wipe your own out? Explain that to me! I doubt you'll have an answer lol
All BBC had to do was tell the truth, for once, and immediately Brits changed their opinion.
Imagine if the BBC was reporting the truth on Israel/Palestine in 1948, then this would have never happened.
Who controls the Conservative and Labour parties? They can never be exposed. All the so called leaders of both parties are only fronts who will take the fall and blame. BBC also is only a propaganda tool of the controllers who are always in the shadows. It is sad to see that the once great BBC only spews lies and propaganda now and has lost all respectability.
the " original sin " was 75 years odd ago by the zionists not oct 7.
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The problem is the media hasn't allowed for an honest conversation on Israel especially far right fanatics like bibi
The original sin was 2000 years ago when they killed jesus
whos Jesus@@DavidWilliams-by2ne
@@DavidWilliams-by2ne what an appalling thing to write David Williams. Have you forgotten Jesus was Jewish?! I am not a supporter of the Israeli government but what you wrote was the sort of thing that has been used by those behind pogroms, massacres and persecution of Jewish people over the millennia. Shame on you, deep shame on you.
Any Irish person reading your question will laugh. Some of us have known about the illegal things that Israel has been doing since Israel was formed. Maybe more people are finally seeing the truth.
Very well said!!! Ireland is a beacon of light to humanity in an otherwise twisted world
Thank you for your decency
🙏🏿 sis 🇿🇦 20 years + hating this violent dark-heart regime
Say it louder for the Zionist apologists on the back!
Saoirse don Phalaistín
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@@AodhanBeag Have a look at Dublin and what's going on there ? They were once invaded by the Brits. Now the resentment isn't because of Israeli Jews or the Brits!
"Why has UK support for Israel 'disappeared' so quickly?"
Probably all the war crimes, James.
People have finally seen the truth of what has been happening for 75 years
How can support for Israel disappear if they continue to receive weapons?
Why should weapons be distributed to different countries while promoting war between them . Would UK want to be in a position where there bombardment and killing and shooting?
Tbf, im sure he was being rhetorical.
Liars, hypocrites, cowards and thieves. Our political class!
Over 30,000 humans died and we were all a sleep. Suddenly, few Brits die and everyone is a wake 😢
Speak for yourself.
Many people have spoken against the killings in Gaza look at the protests around the world unfortunately in the UK our government called them hate marches and continued to support Israel, ordinary people unable to make the government change it's stance.
Spk for yourself, I protested from before October 7th.
@helai Well you're not British so why would you lose any sleep?
Humans? Really? Come on, your honesty can't believe that?
October 7th was not the “original sin”. The original sin is the brutal settler colonialism and ethic cleansing of the Palestinians for 75 years.
Pretending this started 75yrs ago is just as disingenuous as pretending it started on October the 7th
@cujimmi except that in regards to Israel, it is historically correct. Tell me how I'm wrong.
@@cujimmiits a fact that they have been doing this for 75 years
@@cujimmi you are. ratiod for being disingenuous
@ you are right israel is to blame 99% of historians agree
I, too, am surprised. I am surprised it has taken so long for the scales to fall from their eyes. Israel lost the moral high ground fifty years ago when they tried to hold on to their territorial gains and live outside their international borders. Greater Israel is a poisonous concept that denies the Palestinians any hope of a dignified future.
Hundreds of Palestinians were killed in 2023 before October. The majority of Gazans are families kicked out of their homes and pushed into Gaza from the towns surrounding it. Gaza has been under military siege by Israel since the early 2000s and routinely bombed to “mow the lawn”. Gaza was even attacked within the few weeks leading up to October.
But somehow, October 7 is the original sin.
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Control the narrative; control the people
7/11
Thats right. Hamas is not supposed or allowed to retaliate.
Israel has the right to defend itself from 3 former UK serviceman delivering aid
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Did the Taliban have the right to defend itself when the UK invaded Afghanistan?
I suppose they did, as they beat you and drove you out.
How does it feel to have lost a war to the Taliban?
@@Anarking The Pakistanis you mean?
This is called dark humour...
Yeah. 😏
Someone needs to ask sunak this...
Why did he cut funding to UNRWA based on allegation with no evidence yet when aid workers get killed with hard evidence that they were targeted still continuing to sell them arms?
Great question.
Cause he's in the pocket of the Israeli lobby like most of our politicians.
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Lobby groups!!!
Just for the record, Germany did the same thing, they also stopped funding for UNRWA for the same alleged reason.
The leadership told the IDF that there’d be no restrictions placed on them, they haven’t gone rogue, they’re responding to what their leaders have told them
Which means the state is corrupt… the people have been brainwashed.
Unfortunately, Likud or not, any of their governments would allow this, perhaps not to such extraordinary measures and consequences.
Is.rail, with its current indoctrination and genocidal state, cannot exist.
I think you have hit the truth there.
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@david Is that what they told you...and did you check?
@@chatham43 It was broadcast, here’s a quote from Yoav Galant: “I have released all the restraints, we have (regained) control of the area, and we are moving to a full offense,”
Hello Britian. Netanyahu smiled at your dead nationals saying,"this happens in war".
and USS Liberty dont forget!
Yes. He did.
Don't fool yourselves. The original sin took place in 1947 - everyone knows this by now and the world wants accountability.
And that was 1917
Thanks for pointing this out ❤
the world wants PEACE, the world wants NO FANATICS (of any kind).
@balance You speak for the world from your bedroom??
We MUST talk about how much power Lobby groups and Donors have in our democracy.
Yes exactly why I won't vote for labour as they are bought by Israel,
Yes. Exactly this.
@blackwavenoise completely agree, it would fix everything. More pay for and pension for politicians, but ban lobbying and second jobs and working for ten years after they leave politics (on full pay). Just sayin '
You still call Britain a democracy? I am curious
@@AllucutodayThe idea of Britain being a democracy is laughable. Our politicians are awash with legal bribes and FPTP voting is not democratic.
Oct 7th, 1200 people killed of which 400 were serving IDF soldiers. How many of the less than 800 civilians were actually killed by the Israeli military?
Yes the idf killed many of their own citizens and blamed hamas... its called the hannibal directive
I saw the rows and rows of burnt out cars in a video.
Those were hellfired cars.
Helllfire missiles were not brought in by Hamas fighters
How many massacres did Israelis commit?
There is no business like Shoah business
Murdered not Killed....
Sunak (after 3 brits got killed) described the situation as ... "those delivering aid should be able to do their job unhindered"...... THEY WERE MURDERED RISHI, NOT HINDERED!!!!.... UNBELIEVEBLE.
Well they were hindered weren't they... Just alot
Our PM still tip toeing around his masters. Weak pathetic leadership. Can't even stand up for his own fallen.
and Cameron saying it was indefensible again nothing about the 32000 Palestinians murdered . But they are Muslim and non white . So what is Subak doing as PM ? Sweet FA except making yet another fortune from the NHS contract.
And UK supplies the weapons to Israel that killed the UK citizens
_"Unhindered"_ is a much stronger statement though. It opposes all obstacles to aid work. Whereas _"Those delivering aid should be able to do their job un-murdered."_ goes without saying.
Israel occupies not just Palestine but England, too
They seem to be occupying most of the major governments worldwide.
@diddy And probably your street in North London!😊
There's parts of London that are nick named Little Palestine.
You don't get out much do you. How's your cut in benefits going?
City of London IS the money well for Isreal
Where do you get the idea that the people of UK supported Israel from day one (Oct7) a lot of people even then thought well that was a long time coming, 75 years before they reacted to Israels constant attacks.
Because Brits are now forced to choose between Britain or Israel.
or choosing between Britain and US
@@laimejannister5627 let’s be real, both are controlled by the US.
More like Israel control both.
The original sin is not what happened on october 7. Israel is not defending itself. Its defending its occupation and subjugation of indigenous people.
The Jews are the indigenous people of the land. They are removing the invaders who tried to take away their G-d given land.
Well that depends on how you define indigenous
Yes true but look at who supports it, look at their history of wiping out the indigenous people of a country.
@cujimmi When people have lived on the land for 1000s of years they are more indigenous than random colonisers from Brooklyn and London aren't they? Pretty basic stuff. The most indigenous Israeli's are Palestinian Jews!
@wen But it was a sin nevertheless...or is that taking things too far for you?
October 7th cannot be described as the original sin?
How much provocation is over 70 years of brutal oppression & stealing of their land!
AGREE. The original sin was the Balfour Declaration. And Israel's original sin against the UK was the Sergeant's Affair and King David Hotel bombing. Soooo much history goes ignored. Heck, Israel even attacked a US warship at one point and got away with it
Exactly! Bullies playing the victim worked so well for so long, but (probably according to Hamas' plan) now they've been exposed. The world is seeing them for what they truly are.
There are clear parallels with the IRA and their reasons for terrorism. But that conflict was not resolved by pulverising Ireland! And neither will this stop festering until and unless fairness is restored to Palestinians.
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I have always thought it dreadful that Jews who had been so badly treated in the past would treat others badly. I thought badly of my Jewish husband for objecting to the UK taking people kicked out of Uganda. All I could think was that if Britain hadn’t let Jewish refugees in, he wouldn’t have been born!
This!
Ordinary people with common sense don’t t need judges to tell them what they already knew that arming murderers is illegal
The 6,000 Palestinians shot in 2018, (yes 6,000 google it) didn't lower support for israel did it. I bet you'd never even heard of it !😢
That's absolutely disgusting. Clearly the UK does not value Palestinian lives.
I did.
@@TheRotnfleshhave a cookie
Nope. Not really heard anything about any of it until Oct 7th then looked into it a bit. Insane what's been going on there for so long and how our country supports it.
@@danhutton-zf3nfyou may wanna look into the other countless mass acres while you're at it such as the Great March of Return. And also the King David Hotel mass acre which was also a targeting of British personnel
Let us talk about the children being held hostage in Israel.
Let us talk about the people who are routinely fired on by IDF.
mainstream media have been ignoring this fact for decades.
Including British journalists in the past.
@find Stop pretending you genuinely care. It's just an excuse to vilify Israel!
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No one needs to vilify Israel. They are doing that job.
Of course you're welcome to live in denial.
Murderers tend to be vilified. Why? Because they are villains. It's sad that you don't care.
All the Zionists are just as perplexed! Why? WHY?!
It is not hard to figure it out, James. Some lives don't matter.
The fact that previous ' accidents ' went unpunished shows the IDF is doing the will of the Israeli government, not gone rogue.
Hamas leaders and their supporters enjoy the clear, blue, beautiful skies above Qatar, while Palestinians grovel in the dirt for food!
And the 'will' of the Conservative Government (and Labour too).
Right, the killings are indiscriminate because the IDF is caught up in the same mindset as the majority of Israeli population: they attach no value to the lives of the Palestinians; they have the means to inflict damage and they do it with impunity. They will NOT be stopped because of a moral imperative lacking in their discourse and reasoning; they will stop only if there is widespread loss of support. This is what happens in a country at war where the political apparatus works entirely of mere talking points and not from the finer aspirations of a real democracy.
Maybe if hamas wore a uniform and didn't hide in civilian homes hospitals and mosks there would be less accidents , and less civilian deaths
MichealWilby - Hamas is not the issue. Hasn't been since Oct 8th. Stop distracting from the real issue and from the root cause.
The original sin dates back to 1948
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More like the 1920s
Hypocrisy has an Event Horizon.
I think it's 33,000 corpses.
Imagine if we had leaders with principles and morals, who could speak out openly and honestly about the atrocities being committed in the last six months. Instead we have a minion for a PM and a PM-in-waiting who advocated cutting off food/drink, electricity to the people as a form of military strategy.
Hollow words - Israel still occupies capitals of USA, UK and Germany.
Shhh we’re not allowed to mention that Israel has more influence and capital than their population would suggest. It’s antisemitic…apparently.
When it comes to Germany, they have no need to occupy them. The Germans are still self-flagellating over the holocaust. They're all too willing to play lackey
THE ZIONISTS YOU MEAN
Leider sind in Deutschland erst 2025 Wahlen…. sehr Schade. Die jetzige Regierung wird ABGEWÄHLT. Deutsche normale Menschen wollen keinen Krieg, keinen GENOZID.
And france
corbyn got kicked out for the sake of israel. we'd have a labour government by now.
It's disgusting isn't it. Someone asked me the other day where my hate for Israel comes from peronally. That was my answer.
And james played a relentless part in that. It was coordinated takedown of Corbyn right the way across the political-media spectrum. They all played their part and proved themselves as State stooges. This one included.
Corbyn got kicked out for many a reason, one of which was he was fringe left and that's just never going to win a general election no matter how popular the fringe left think they are, but, you're away to get a Labour Government... so, I guess, Happy days?
And Mencer the new spokesman, is a labour friends of israel boss thay smeared Corbyn and was part of the cabal to ruin the country.
We won't be liberated until the zionists no longer influence our politics the way they have been
Imagine how many more British people would still be alive instead of boris and his failing covid policies.
All over a bunch of lies when he has always been morally correct on this issue. The Israeli lobby skewered him, which is shocking when you consider how much influence a belligerent foreign state holds over domestic UK politics. James should be ashamed of how he still vilifies him when he's been thoroughly vindicated!
Why - because this is the straw that broke the camel’s back. We’ve been standing by watching this, protesting, showing solidarity and none of it worked. Our politicians were giving Israel too much support even though the majority of people understand this isn’t a war between two militaries. It’s one out of control military occupying a people governed by a group of militants that are trying to rebel against their oppressors.
I would argue that people's heightened interest in this situation doesn't simply stem from the fact that the aid workers are foreigners, but rather because it starkly exposes the indiscriminate nature of Israel's bombings in Gaza.
Unlike scenarios such as friendly fire, this incident involved a charity that had previously provided aid to Israelis and was operating with full transparency, in full communication with the IDF, and in clearly mark vehicles in a de-conflicted zone.
Yet, they were mercilessly targeted one after the other, leaving survivors of each vehicle to endure unimaginable suffering as they retreated to the second and third vehicles.
This incident underscores not only the lack of discipline and leadership within the IDF but also the lax rules of engagement they choose to apply to the conflict.
The IDF were only following their Army Generals commands…
They had the coordinates, the vehicles had clear visible signs and the IDF had been informed of their movements.
James, it’s plain and simple, they want to eradicate Palestinians by hunger (famine), disease (Hospitals)or bullets (bombs)!
It’s an instruction from their Army Generals!
Soon, Israel will have no support from anyone, and that day can't come soon enough.
I love you thank you so much couldn’t have put it better.♥️
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As long as they have support from uncle sam it doesn't matter
@@mueed8129 the times they are a changing
@@mueed8129 exactly
Because to support Israel is embarrassing.
makes you complicit
Embarrasing is cowardice being half the man your grandfarther was out of fear of actually being a Man
I think that the judges were waiting for something like this to happen - to get so many people to respond so quickly in support means that they were ready for this.
Not to mention an affront to humanity and the so called "rule based global order"
Its SHAMEFUL and i am embarrassed for their children and extended fmilies (if they have any).
Look how the UK and rest of the west treat Germans today...
Germans whos family, if they participated at all, did so GENERATIONS ago...
When Germans did what they did... Video recording was in its infancy and the historical record was limited.
How do you think Israelis will be treated for the next 3-5 generations?
I think ethnicity is relevant, as well as being British. If they had British nationality but were of Palestinian heritage/origin, I think there would be a lot of people who would successfully justify to themselves that they were British in name only, and "relax" once more in the "knowledge" that nothing changed. And in a depressing way, they would be right... 200 Palestinian aid workers killed with remarkably little interest - why would it make a particular difference that they happened to have British passports?
From the river to the sea, Palestine should be free.
James answers his own question by identifying that the only thing that changed was the passports of those murdered. Shameful.
And the skin colour.
It seems you don't understand what's happening here.
Oct 7th shameful
@@ribblevalleyrover no one said it wasn’t, Hasbara. But it was Oct. it’s old news now.
I’m not sure that’s right. I don’t know what caused the change of opinion by anyone in particular but the event has caused the withdrawal of many/all independent aid providers and increased the risk of severe famine: what i believe was Israel’s intent all along. That makes it a bigger deal than just the number/nationality of those killed.
Why? George Galloway suggested today that the IDF wanted to make sure that credible individuals from this aid agency would get the opportunity to report the atrocities they witnessed in Gaza and just as credible reporters have been kept out of Gaza.. Israel could not risk the accounts of these British soldiers being heard across the world
This is very plausible
And you believe anything that George says wow
@@marcust123well then you explain it
@@marcust123I’m not saying I believe everything he says. I’m just repeating another plausible explanation that he raised. And it makes sense
@@marcust123Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
The lawyers must have drawn up their statement well before the incident to which he is referring, so his argument about British deaths changing opinion is false surely? Thousands have been marching for months week on week!
The UK government went on record from day 1 that they support Isreal. As time has passed, it has become obvious that the Isreali response has become massively disproportionate and counter to international humanitarian law. Changing their public view earlier would highlight how much the government were wrong to give unequivocal support. This incident has given an opening to 180 their public view without losing too much face.
This is the same UK regime that destroyed Libya which has not recovered after 10 years
Yes. But I'm always surprised by how the UK is always remembered for these things where say the French aren't.
@@Hedgewisekat because most of us watching this channel are British.
We pay tax to the British government and want accountability for what they have spent OUR money on.
That’s like someone in the UK saying “peter sutcliff was awful, I can’t believe the police didn’t manage to catch him sooner.
And your comeback being “yeah well Ted Bundy was awful too and the American police couldn’t catch him for ages too”
It’s irrelevant, to the average Brit because we aren’t paying for American police, and we don’t live there.
@@Anon-lz1qy France was a primary mover in the destruction of Libya. It's a little more like saying 'Myra Hindley was just as terrible as Ian Bradey'. - same crimes but different sentences and later sympathy towards the individuals.
As far as British taxpayers were concerned Gaddafi was a bad guy responsible for crashing a jumbo jet into a small town in Scotland and getting away with it, while others were blaming him for easing the passage of illegal immigrants to Europe, so the majority were quite happy with Britsh/NATO involvement and that use of their tax money.
And if my comment is irrelevant then so is dragging Libya into this in the first place. It isn't the same 'regime' since IIRC at that time the Coonservatives were in a coalition with the LibDems. (Something worth remembering with the Libdems claiming to be a peace-loving alternative to the Conservatives and New Labour.)
When demanding accountability for what money is spent on as a response to a lack of moral principles then financially speaking UKGov selling weapons to genocidal murderers helps British businesses, and not continuing to fund UNWRA saves taxpayers money... if that's the argument you want to make... I'd rather consider that sometimes my tax money should be spent to uphold international law rather than withheld to serve the interests of business and tax cuts.
I never supported Israel
Me neither
Lots of us didn't, but of ofcourse that just made us "anti-Semitic" and "terrorist sympathisers".
Same as a 11 yr old - everyone in my school supports Palestine
@diana No surprise there then.
And never will
James 100% the whiteness mattered
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October 7th? the original sin? So they're just going to ignore the past 70+ years?
It’s racism James, you can’t just say these British soldiers were Hamas.
@lanky And you're obviously an expert on racism?
@@chatham43you don’t have to be an expert on anything to see the difference in responses between Ukrainian and Palestinian occupation. Racism plays a huge part.
@@dylanyoung1326why is Europeans coming to the aid of fellow Europeans racism?
Anyone who thinks it's racism rather than purely strategic interests needs to give thier head a wobble. Power global politics doesn't factor in race, its solely based of economic or strategic worth. Isreal is strategic asset to the west, as is Ukraine, which Russia is effectively jeopardising which is the difference. International relations has never and will never be based on morality or on humanity, it's based solely on self interest. Every sovereign state is exactly the same. The bottom line for the UK is Palestinian, despite the killings, offers very little in strategic interest versus seriously damaging a relationship with a key strategic partner in Isreal. Until Israel targeted UK citizens, which the government doesn't really care about, but now feels it has to publicly protest it for a home ordinance. Russia back Assad who murdered 1000's not because they thought he was right, but because it serves interest. No war or strategic decision has ever been fought or made by any country throughout history for humanitarian reasons despite the political rhetoric. If the UK was under attack from Iran, 40,000 lives lost through indiscriminate bombing, does anyone seriously think a Palestinian government would be calling for calm? No, because thier interests are served by being close to Iran. Does it make it right, no. But its the way every sovereign state on the planet operates. Its got nothing to do with race, it's got everything to do with strategic or economic worth. Why are Arab states no doing more? Because it's not in thier interest to. Lets not create the falsehood that race, morality or ethics plays any significant role, as they don't as its naive to think otherwise. Look at what the west did when Iraq invaded Islamic Kuwait...was thar about race? Or course not, it was about wealth. If Palestinian had huge amounts of oil that Israel was after you would see a reaction, but it doesnt and that's the reality.
@@adamwitches4404 how is Israel a strategic asset to the the UK and the west in general? What benefits the west from being aligned with Israel? I can see the strategic benefits from being aligned with Saudi Arabia for instance but Israel? So I'm not sure your arguement holds up.
Disappeared quickly?
How long do you think the colonial Apartheid aggressor has been stealing land, killing Palestinians and defying international law?
What would you call quickly?
It was pretty 50:50 for 75 years until about 6 months ago. That's a very quick shift
After 75 years of no change, the support disappeared in a day. That's "quickly" by any measure.
Not at all. Israel has been the agressor and enacting apartheid for 75 years. Thats it. If there was a ceasefire before october 7th how come it was already the most deadly year to be palestian. The IDF had already murdered 300 of them since the new year. @@kier1568
Exactly. “Original sin” Is criminally misapplied.
Exactly, “original sin” is criminally misapplied.
Passport, nationality, and skin color. Funny how that fact always gets left out.
Piers morgan: what is proportionate?
31000 Palestinians? No. Apparently only 3 british citizen.
It's not just the passport that has changed. It's also, primarily, the skin colour.
And religion.
If it was Brown Brits, I doubt we’d get the same response sadly…..
By the end of the first week, Israel had massivley crossed the line. I find it staggering how slow someone so erudite and clued up politically can be so slow to see the real picture
I’m with you
Many of us gave up on James on 7th October last year in the face of his utter ignorance.
@@Diamus101 😎
No he's been calling it out for weeks consistently
Ppl dreamt about being able to talk about the injustice that has been happening for 75 years and now we have this opportunity but like everyone else including me we just let it slide. We allowed Israelis to commit atrocities and turned a blind eye are we going to keep doing this? I hope not.
The UK have stolen taxes from British people to help fund Israel... can we demand compensation?
The real question is why did it take so long?
Its going on for 75 years -how quickly
We reached the magic number james 3 British citizens
Retired judges don't fear being cancelled 😅😅😅
Speaking as a Labour Party member, what I appreciate about Sir Alan Duncan's intervention, was how candid and specific it was. No vague homilies and soft-peddled criticism of Israel, but very clear and unequivocal condemnation of fellow Tories, individually named, who still continue to push a hardline position on Israeli 'defence' policy.
If only Alan Duncan wasn’t a Putin shill.
I bet you £100 that by this time next month James will be asking why people dont know the history before october 7th...
He will be asking why people are defending Israel and not the occupied people WHO DO HAVE THE RIGHT OF SELF DEFENCE as occupied people.
Because they were 'faired' skinned, not brown. The facts are the facts!
@angela Which you have extrapolated into utter nonsense!😊
no, hows it in saint petersburg?
So many people seem to have found themselves a moral compass overnight. EH…..A few months late but better late than never eh.🤷
Peoples public opinions have changed because they know what is happening now will be remebered in history. Nothing will be forgotten and quotes will be immortalised
Exactly
They still call 7th of october the original sin? While it has just been a culmination of many ongoing conflicts and brutal violence as a result of 70 plus yrs of occupation... how unrealistic and disingeneous.
AGREE. The original sin was the Balfour Declaration. And Israel's original sin against the UK was the Sergeant's Affair and King David Hotel bombing. Soooo much history goes ignored. Heck, Israel even attacked a US warship at one point and got away with it
@TV But a sin nevertheless...or would that admission stick in your throat?
@chatham43 He hasn't replied. What a surprise bless him!😊
@@chatham43According to UN Charter an occupation does not have the right to self defense against the occupied state.
Besieging civilian population for decades is considered an act of war.
October 7 was not the “original sin”.
AGREE. The original sin was the Balfour Declaration. And Israel's original sin against the UK was the Sergeant's Affair and King David Hotel bombing. Soooo much history goes ignored. Heck, Israel even attacked a US warship at one point and got away with it
Exactly. It’s not a” great phrase” in this context. Not at all.History did not start on October 7th.
Nakba 1948.
Haaretz reported that the Israeli army has a policy for targeting aid workers. They were almost reporting it to give cover, saying "you need senior approval." But the fact that's a policy at all. .....YOU GUYS WROTE THAT DOWN?
The "original Sin" would more appropiately be the 1948 Naqba; forced displacement of the Palestinians
Let’s not forget the other Naqba when at the same time 850,000 Jewish people were ethnically cleansed from all the Middle East countries where they had lived for thousands of years
@@silkspinner7010 As you have answered by yourself, most of the deliberate persecution of Jews in Middle East (such as denaturalization law in Iraq) happened AFTER the creation of Israel in Palestinian land (which is the 'Original Sin'). European nations have had far far worse persecution of Jewish people in comparsion to Arabic Nations till the end of WWII.
There were also other factors of Jewish people leaving for Israel as related to each particular country’s economic, political, religious and national policies, messianic hopes and Israeli policies. Where one immigrated depended on socioeconomic status and religiosity.
Persecution to any relgiious group should rightfully be condemned but such actions from Middle East still do not, in any sense, justify Israel's 1948 Naqba and continuing occupation in Palestinian territory.
Tories and Labour OUT.
What is Reform Ltds policy on Palestine/Israel?
@@jonathanfell688 You tell me, all i know is we have to clean house.
@@jonathanfell688 And if it is bad, thats the most pathetic argument for keeping the tories and labour iv'e heard in all my life.
Palestinian people don't have passports.
Exactly.
That you for this answer- I asked it on another channel this morning and have been hoping for someone who knows to answer. If they can't travel then they are living in a caged prison. Wow.
And like WHY NOT in a land supposedly shared?
Who put the Ids in overall control, free to occupy their neighbours, ever eXpAnDiNg??
Yes they do. Some get visitors Visa's to travel to the U.K. for example.
@@nutcracker2916Only if they are dual.citizens and even then its very rare.
Finally. Astounding to an unbelievable degree.
Everyone knows what’s been going on for years, it’s just that now people feel more free to express the truths
Because the feeling of being complicit in war crimes makes people feel a bit uneasy?
The problem with the Middle East - at least as far as Israel is concerned - it that any voice questioning the actions of their government is met with cries of "That's antisemitic! Remember the Shoah! We lost 6 million!" all of which might be true but the Soviets lost 24 MILLION citizens in WW2 - does that prevent anybody speaking out when Russia acts in a criminal fashion?
I once remarked to somebody that there was a rogue state in the Middle East, armed with nuclear weapons who blatantly ignored UN resolutions, practiced apartheid, dispatched assassination squads at the drop of a hat and was abundantly funded by the West in order to do so. They assumed I was talking about Iran or Iraq and couldn't believe I meant Israel.
Much as I would like it not to be true I'm sure the "bringing it all home" factor IS the passport, it IS the skin colour. The seesaw was tipped not by over 33,000 deaths of dusky skinned Palestinians but by 6 white skinned Westerners.
I don't want to see Israel destroyed but I DO believe that after 75 years of waiting the Palestinians deserve their own State - preferable the pre-1967 area known as the West Bank - but they'll never get it while the rest of the world sits back and doesn't hold Israel to account for their crimes against humanity.
Perfectly said, sir. Thank you 🙏
Absolutely.
Isnt the post WW2 country of Israel meant to be, apportionately, a SHARED land?
Thank you sir..
"so quickly"?It is too late already
Other aid organisations have been targeted in Gaza. Doctors With Borders have lost medical personnel. No condemnation from U.K./USA/Germany when doctors , nurses, paramedics etc have been killed. No call for ceasefire by governments when over 30k people are dead. Imagine if this was happening in Europe? Behind all of this is money. Politicians too afraid to speak up for fear of losing financial support.
The rhetoric is becoming increasingly critical of Israel, but there has not been nor will there ever be a change in policy toward Israel. No one with a brain will be fooled by mere words.
They wont have a choice if they are aiding and abetting hopefully convicted war criminals... sales of arms have stopped twice previously under both tory and labour gvts.. so its about time.. the generation change will also have a huge impact on the amount of support.. people are getting tired and fustrated with the chokehold lobbyists have.. there was always support from fringe groups but not vast majority
Odd situation - pre WW2 ancestors of many of the people of Idsrael were barred from disembarking transatlantic liners to 🇺🇸 soil and sent South where the passengers were further fleeced and sent back to Europe. Talk about post war lobbying.
@@sady.x since the ICC only goes after Africans and Slavs, no Israeli will ever be convicted of a war crime.
The truth hurts.
O Brien finally catching up. Corbyn tried to tell him 5 years ago.🙄
The original sin was the Nakba 1948, not Oct 7
It's almost as if we've all known for months what was going on in Gaza was horrendous and the aid workers have now made it OK to say so.
Nick Ferrari - All people are human but some people are more human than others.
The settlers, do they still have any humanity left???
@@user-dd9re5wm6y I instinctively doubt it, though we're best to be careful about dehumanising people. We need to be better than those "settlers".
Zionism is NOT the same as Judaism, Hamas is NOT the same as Palestine!@@Maxibo234
@@user-dd9re5wm6y When did I say they were?
@sytt And you are above that!😂😂😂
Original sin was in 1948. The start of occupation.
This is a result….. O Brien applauding retired Lawyers, as opposed to skating them as being out of touch !!!! Oh wait a minute!!!!!, they happen to agree with his opinion… enough said….
From the very first drawing of a line on a map by the UK in 1918 the theft of Palestinian land has continued. Now the violence is in full view and contempt for international law and will.
The time has come for us all to stand up and be counted, challenge our government to stop the sale of weapons, not fall for the call to enter or support a regional war caused by Israel killing of Iranian officials. Israel is loosing the war or will if the collective west does not supply arms, then bring the culprits to justice in particular the leaders both civil and military heads.
I would agree that Alan Duncans interview was astounding, concerning the influence of Israel on U.K. politics. But this came out in the 2016 documentary " the Lobby" were it was revealed that Israel influenced his not getting the role of Foreign Secretary. It also revealed just how much influence Israel had within the party which has spread, post Corbyn, within the Labour party
Alan Duncan is now under investigation by the Tory Party - no doubt under the Israeli command
Are British people genuinely surprised when they elect a right wing populist government and they act like a right wing populist government? I'm genuinely puzzled by this.
I believe that we have come to the point in history that we need to have a clearing out of Parliament, a Oliver Cromwell like Scenario in which someone in authority needs to put all the politicians out and bring in those who want to represent the people of our country and have a proper election where we are ALL represented and to end these eternal wars that we have gotten ourselves into
Could the wheels of justice, speed up! Plz
It's about time that mouthpiece ambassador was sent home. The one who said behind every house is a Hamaz tunnel all the hospitals were command centres.
Original sin? Did this all start on the 7th of October?
The Torie and Labour should be charged with war crimes. Keir Starmer should step down