Basically, a single imperial officer of the millions, required the force and incompetence from his subordinates to be defeated. If that doesn't tell you how amazing Thrawn is, idk what will
Half the time especially early on, it almost seemed like he intentionally let the men fail, I don't know if it was the case, but I always saw Thrawn as an individual who had contingencies in his plans, hoping they'd be used as it would lead to a greater victory
@@SuperSayianWarrior he still won the battle of atollon. He destroyed 2-3 different rebel cells and over a dozen ships that they took so long gathering. Yes some of them escaped so it wasn't a spiritual (satisfactory) victory, but it was a tactical and strategic victory. The Rebels were completely shut down and even someone as brave as Mon Mothma was shut down. That's why Ezra's victory on Lothal was significant, as it removed one of the only people in the Empire who could actually think accordingly with the Rebels (the other being Tarkin and Vader, one who was killed on the death star, and the other who was too preoccupied about founding out about his children).
Something i’ve always liked about Thrawn is how he still respects the military rank of his enemies by calling Hera “Captain Syndulla” and referring to Commander Sato as commander the same way
@@nickd457 so true. It’s because of his respect that he also never underestimates what the rebellion is capable of, despite every other high ranking imperial seeing them as weak(cough cough, tarkin)
Fun fact about Thrawn is that he is the one Grand Admiral that has a fleet that is loyal to him, their loyalty to him is so strong that other admirals have questioned if their loyalties is with Thrawn or the Empire. Hoping we get to learn more about the Chiss Ascendancy in Ashoka series.
@@arozinos863 no its canon. What i am talking about is his trilogy books. In the last book treason this was stated by several high ranking imperial officers, it gotten to the point where Palpatine called him in but ordered him to capture Ezra bridger before they could have a "long long talk"
@@vectorfox4782 no he didn't. he's just hiding his emotion, his very clear anger and hatred towards the order which he hid inside, and he's an extremly good duelist without a lot of feats when using the force.
@@thephoenix4093 nah, you’re giving him too much credit. But I don’t blame Anakin. What happened to his mom just solidified his resolve for hatred. If she was alive to see him become a successful Jedi and get married, we would’ve had a different Anakin all together and we would’ve all loved him.
He is my Favorite Villain in all of Star Wars. His collectiveness, appreciation for history, eye on the bigger picture, wanting to hear his subordinates opinions. He is evil but a very effective leader. He isn’t consumed by ego and THAT is what makes him so dangerous and powerful
i agree. He's comfortable retreating and saving his resources when a battle turns against his favor instead of letting his ego destroy his men. Thrawn plays the long game. To me, it's terrifying that he thinks like an inhuman computer, but appreciates art like DaVinci.
When you read the Thrawn books, you realize that Thrawn isn't remotely evil. In fact, he hates evil and the evil in the Empire; but he's desperate to save his people. The Chiss viewed siding with the Empire as a lesser evil to annihilation from the Yuuzhan Vong/Grysk threat. It's complicated because Thrawn's duty to his people is no different than the Rebels is to theirs. Zahn does a phenomenal job writing him to the point where Thrawn comes across as simply someone on the other side of a War, with his own motivations to protect those he loves. Honestly, he's a much needed complexity for villains in Star Wars because why people join wars are for different reasons. And unlike Pryce, Thrawn doesn't seek his own glory. He only seeks to protect his people, to the point where he gave up everything to join the Empire to give them a chance.
@@soupdogstudios5354 It's really interesting when you get into Thrawn's backstory because you actually can't view him as a straight up villain. You sympathize with him because he's torn between keeping cover and keeping his people safe. He can disassociate from his emotions to use pure logic, which is why Palpatine couldn't sense his loyalties. Thrawn was controversial among the Chiss because he believed that if they were to survive the War in the Unknown Regions (which makes Empire vs Rebels look like a kid's game, it's so brutal) they needed to take pre-emptive strikes when the enemy was down. For this he was exiled, but this was discovered to be a fake out as he had caught the attention of Palpatine. The Chiss needed to ensure that Palpatine wouldn't screw them over and sent Thrawn as a spy to protect their interests. It explains why Thrawn found the Death Star both alarming and an impractical use of resources. And his desperation to save his people connects with his personal losses: Thrawn has seen more people he loves die than most know, including never getting closure after his brother Thrass was killed. Thrawn was unusual among his people because, while they were isolationists, he felt every non-hostile species deserved a chance at life which the Vong/Grysk threatened. He hated the racism and xenophobia in the Empire. So when he tries to reunite the remnants of the Empire after ROTJ, he actually puts policies in place for soldiers to be promoted on merit and not race. There's a lot more than that, but this should give you an indication of why Thrawn's crew would fight alongside and be willing to die for him.
tbf members of their species do have the ability to use the force (I believe at the most when they are young) since they live in the unknown region they use the force to help navigate it. they called them "skywalkers" also because their species has much more intelligence as they age by typically 2 times (for example his species 5 year olds have the mental capacity of a 10 year old, so in that sense a physically middle aged man would have a mental capacity of a wise old man)
@@TheTrytix Well if you read the Legend comics he did learn to understand the force to a degree. He collected lizard like creatures called Ysalamari (yes they’re called that) which were able to repel force users.
“Who deserves what is irrelevant. What matters is…WHO…HAS…POWER?” this statement alone explains why Thrawn should never have a change of heart. I soo hope Disney doesn’t destroy his character in the Ahsoka series
In the first novel of the canon series for Thrawn, Is revealed that he trains not just as mine but his body too. There’s like a secret to having having a fit enough body to create a fit, which gives you faster reaction time because of all the blood flowing up there physically means It’s harder to assassinate him.
He embodies the character so perfectly that I can't imagine anyone else playing Thrawn. The casting was on point. I hope Disney never recasts the role. Lars IS Thrawn.
I just recently realised that Thrawn calling Sato, "one of the greatest commanders to come from the Mykapo system" was an insult and not a compliment 😂😂
He respects his enemies abilities. He would not say Sato is the best to come out of the Mykapo system as an insult. He says it to recognize Sato’s abilities as a commander.
14:12 "You seem in surprisingly good spirits considering this loss." "Loss, you say?" I love how subtle of a catch that was, he focused on that one word and I swear his suspicions were confirmed in that moment. A loyal officer would have mentioned the destruction or asked what retaliation should be taken, not directly mention a loss as if they just won a trivial board game.
Dude, he's such a good villain. At least in the comics, his motivation for supporting the Empire is that the structure of the new republic is to weak to resist extragalactic threats. As long as he's right about that, his only flaw is that he believes that his ends justify his means.
The fact that he let the rebels win a bunch of smaller battles so he could track their movements and find their base... and then when the rebels tried to remove their planet from his database of possible locations, he memoized the planets and knew the one that was missing was their base??? He is SUCH a good villain.
5:40 i love how terrified Captain Slavin is in this scene. Thrawn was always so calm, collected, and never once did he show visible signs of aggression or fear. Slavin was probably one of the first imperial officers to see just how angry and terrifying thrawn can be when he ISNT ALREADY TERRIFYINGLY CALM AND COLLECTED. I love thrawn... he's such a cool villain, and he's excellent at his job. The only thing keeping him from winning against the rebels was the incompetence of his fellow imperial officers.
this scene gives the same vibe as Vader running towards this incompetent female inquisitor (can't remember her name) in the Kenobi Series. Vader always walks slow and calmy, but a scary and cunning calmness, but him running at her must've felt 10x more terrifying.
@@_LYo the inquisitor's name is reva or third sister (and she is garbage), and the thing with Darth Vader is so true. People who typically use a calmer style of intimidation are even more terrifying when they actually get angry
“I will start my operations here and pull the rebels apart piece by piece. They will be the architects of their own destruction.” - Someone who should’ve been at Yavin/Endor
Captain Pellaeon wonders several times during Heir to the Empire how different the Battle of Endor would have been with Thrawn leading the Fleet. Honestly, the Rebels never would have won.
@@mish375 I mean quite literally not even Grand Moff Tarkin took the proper approach to this battle. Thrawn would have forced the rebels to play chess with him, a game they most certainly wouldn’t have won
@@nggyunglyd2374 Oh sorry I meant Battle of Endor in ROTJ. But yes, Thrawn would have been giving more than an "are you stupid" stare (like the one he did to Morgan) when he heard that Tarkin actually allowed the Rebels to have the Death Star plans and didn't try to guard against the vulnerability in the DS' hull.
Admittedly I'm glad the va for thrawn is playing him in ahsoka so I can continue to listen to his dulcet/soporific voice (it's definitely loquacious too)
Took your time with Google dictionary I see... Your only problem was using the word "loquacious." Which has nothing to do with the SOUND or TONE of his voice. Loquacious means a person who talks a lot, or talks TOO much. Nice try, trying to sound articulate.
@@wadewilson8011 I'm wondering if the OP meant "salacious" instead of "loquacious" considering they were torn between finding his voice sexy as a good or inappropriate thing.
I am so ready to hear this voice again in Ahsoka. This premiere hit every mark for me and soothed all the concerns I would've had. I eagerly await the return
@@Azerez01 oh yes. Of course, Thrawn looks a little different, but it's a necessary evil in order to have the voice actor who helped bring him to life continue to do so.
Thrawn is the type of villain that plays the long game yet very calculative, learning his enemies tactics and their history. Knows how to cut his lost when the battle is not going in his favor without letting his own ego consume him further. This is what makes him one of the dangerous villain in SW.
Its awesome that thrawn put on a chestplate and a helmet when commanding the ground, its such attention to detail because thrawn wouldnt be vain enough to scoff at basic protection just because it was less comfortable or stylish.
I love the little fact that the only person Thrawn even was afraid of was Anakin skywalker/Darth Vader, noone really scared him more then skywalker and he did not enjoy the fact Ahsoka was Anakins master, love it. He might not have shown fear from the name Anakin skywalker but hes actions shows it and the Comic says more about it.
In the first new canon Thrawn book, it's revealled thst Pryce was the one responsible for the civilian casualties. Thrawn didn't like that but sadly there was nothing he could do about it. It's one reason why he only tolerates her, but doesn't like her.
Grand Admiral Thrawn is a true piece of work. His weapon is his mind and how he deals with all of the situations around him. He sees the bigger picture indeed. The whole Galactic picture.
I was thinking Thrawn had to do some "evil" acts just to stay in Palpatine's and Tarkin's good books. If it was up to Thrawn, he would do things less villainously.
Now im not saying that Rebels is a bad show, i quite enjoy it. But lets take a moment to imagine what could have been if Rebels, was created with the same animation style as The Clone Wars, with the same budget, and without the restrictions Disney put on them.
The central story would still be the same. It would just look way better than it does. Maybe we'd have a little more brutality like Chopper chopping heads off, but otherwise, pretty much the same
@@anubhavdassharma1854I’d like to imagine that the battles would’ve been so different than what we have but it ended the same way as they did (like the Rebel bomber attack on Lothal)
@@RoderickTiernan Rebels would have a few more deaths here and there, and maybe a little more brutality. It wouldn't change the themes, messages and the story the show was trying to tell.
@@anubhavdassharma1854 They really should've killed off Sabine's mother and brother, it would've been a good emotional and impactful moment, especially right after they managed to save her dad and it will hammer in the consequences of her actions even more
@@Brother_O4TS I do agree. Then dying would have had a more impactful effect. But I think, the sudden focus from Sabine's story to the rebellion and ultimately Ezra and Kanan's story would have taken away from the latter. Losing both your mother and brother is a lot. So they would need a few more episodes to wrap up Sabine's story cuz she would definitely want revenge for it. As mature as she was in those episodes, she's still Sabine, a hot headed Mandolorian. So it would definitely make this final season a little messier. They could have done it but it would shake things up a bit. And ultimately, she did lose both of them, and her father in the Purge of Mandalore. Rn the only family she has left is Ezra and Ahsoka. The others are scattered across the galaxy.
36:28 I always love a villain who acknowledges and praises the skills of their rivals. Thrawn knowing that the pilot of the stolen tie defender is not Hera due to the imperial forces still being active in the pursuit puts a smile on my face.
Just got to meet Lars Mikkelsen at C2E2 he's a really great and friendly guy. When I told him he plays the sophisticated villain very well such as Thrawn and magnussen from Sherlock, he told me "thank you, I don't know what it is lately with my brother and I but we seem to get villain roles lately, you can imagine what our mother thinks about it" lol.
42:04 this scene bears a much more powerful message if you have read the expanded lore and Thrawn comics: After he caught her in an underhanded deal to put herself in power on Lothal but being unable to prove it, Governor Price basically made a deal with then-Captain Thrawn to cover for his social gaffes and teach him the art of political maneuvering which w,as one of the few areas Thrawn was not so apt in. THIS scene, in a most beautiful way, is Thrawn making making something absolutely clear to her: He's an Imperial Grand Admiral, Only Tarkin ostensibly outranks him in the military. He has an entire fleet to call upon, not merely a single ship, and none of his subordinates would sell him out as he's a genuinely good commander. He has the respect of Darth Vader and the ear of the Emperor. He doesn't Need her anymore, and this fiasco is simply proof that she has outlived her usefulness.
I kept almost falling asleep throughout this entire video, not cus i was bored but because thrawn has the most soothing voice I've ever heard for absolutely no reason??? He might be a villian but everytime he talks i feel oddly calmed💀
Thrawn and Hera are just so perfect. The way he's casually talking and whenever his back is turned you can see her eyes flickering, measuring the situation, weighing options. Meanwhile Thrawn moves with complete confidence, every possibility already weighed, measured and accounted for. Contrasts. I think Thrawn was being perfectly honest when he said he thought it was unfortunate their first meeting might be their last. There's a certain part of him that admires the fight, wants the challenge.
When they meet. The strategists has to make a net. The tacticians a lot of traps. Commonly ends with a strategist trapped after a miracle move. Or a tactician tired surrounded
Man this this guy is smart. And knows how to play the game masterfully he rivals the likes of Char or Lelouche I never knew of Thrawn before rebels but now I know why hes so beloved has good ...Real Good.
Thrawn -Tactically Intelligent -Respects his enemies and honors them -Can fight off two dark troopers unarmored and not suffer a single scratch Mando -Not that smart -Sees enemies as worthless -Gets bodied by one dark trooper even though he has beskar on
Thrawn is like Professor Moriarty and Sherlock Holmes rolled into one terrifyingly prescient and slightly uncanny valley-ish alien package. No force powers, no magic, no heroic plot armour, yet he's scarier than almost anyone else save for a few select individuals in the galaxy, only because of his sheer indomitable, ruthless intellect. Even when he's not on screen, it's as if he can almost see our heroes, like they're only ever a couple of wrong moves away from bringing him and his armada of death down on their own heads. When he speaks, it's as if he's vivisecting everyone around him, like he can break something down into its smallest relevant component parts, and reassemble it again in order just by looking. He sees your works, your wants, your needs, your plans, your mind, your heart, and your soul. He might know you better than you know yourself... and he will use this, and every means at his disposal to make you trap and destroy yourself. Utterly devoid of sentimentality, compassion, or anything which could stand in the way of his victory. He is patience and pragmatism and intelligence and willpower incarnate. He is Thrawn.
You should write a book or something. It's been a while since I've read anything this great 👏 Thrawn is easily my favourite character and you just described him perfectly.
You'd love the Thrawn: Ascendancy trilogy then and the first new canon Thrawn book (Thrawn, 2017). That gives you his backstory up to his fake exile and climb through the ranks to Grand Admiral.
Thrawn is vastly different than any villain that was in a cartoon series. Disney could’ve made his voice actor make him an over the top villain, but no they chose Lars Mikkelson to portray Thrawn with a calm voice and with such excellent dialogue
When thrawn counters by saying his troops are safe and he can now kill everyone without imperial losses, that’s when Ezra realizes he is dealing with an entirely unique opponent. Thrawn doesn’t care about morality if it leads him away from the strategically sound option.
My favorite has to be the “narrowed the search” one. There really was no stopping Thrawn from finding them. The Rebels appeared to win even when their location was as closed to comprised as possible but Thrawn came out in top either way. I’m sure he already suspected Kallus at that point.
“If captain Syndulla were piloting this ship our fighters would not have lasted this long” one of Thrawns best lines, shows he honors his opponents for their strengths and never underestimates them which is why he is one of the most perfect villains ever written
My God man this guy was a damn good detective and investigator I can understand why he was promoted by the emperor so damn fast in the Empire it's a shame with his skills that he pretty much wasn't the straight leader going into the force Awakening era
Just writing to say thank you for this compilation. Without this context a lot of the Ahsoka series did not make sense. Using Thrawn as a focal point seems like a good way to catch up.
I can see why others love him for his skill and tactics if the emperor had listened to him instead of tarkin who knows how the empire would last it might be almost Invincible
I think a stormtrooper commander who didn't like Thrawn said something along the lines of if Thrawn's method of leadership spread throughout the Imperial Navy, the Empire would stand forever.
a fact you may not know: thrawn is voiced by a danish actor called lars mikkelsen, who is the older brother of mads mikkelsen, who is well known for playing galen erso in rogue one, jürgen voller in indiana jones 5 and replacing johnny depp as grindelwald in the harry potter spinoff movies. as for lars mikkelsen, he's well known in the uk for playing charles magnussen, the main antagonist of the bbc's modern version of sherlock, and he's actually returned to play the role in live action for future projects spearheaded by dave filoni, starting with the ahsoka tv show
I’m so fucking excited for next Wednesday, we will finally get this spine chilling voice in live action! Also how he calls it the clone WAR not WARS really scarily shows how his minds sees the bigger picture
This is so good. He said he know all secrets in THE galaxy and didn't hear about Thrawn. The problem is Thrawn is not in THIS galaxy. Whales transported him outside (Rebels's ending)
@@TheMiczelo My theory is that Eli Vanto and Admiral Ar'alani (in the Chiss Ascendancy/Unknown Regions) managed to make some kind of long range communciation device to communicate with the Chimaera in exile. It would explain how the Imperial allies knew and were able to gather resources for Thrawn's return. Pellaeon did say that their entire plan hinged on remaining secret and appearing as separated loyalists to the Empire that we're organized. So obviously they were able to keep Thrawn's location/plans under wraps.
49:13 Thrawn: A Star Wars Story Live Action Movie takes place in Comic Books, Video Games, and Chapter Books with Thrawn, Gilad Pellaeon, Rae Sloane, Nial Declan, Enoch, Ruhk, and Commander Gree(Clone Wars Flashbacks)
I honestly got a really bad feeling that they'll do Grand Admiral Thrawn a hell of a dirty in the Ahsoka show. He's supposed to be a brilliant strategist who was steps ahead of his opponents, highly intelligent, and intimidating, and I feel like they're gonna turn him into a buffoon which I really hope not.
Yall stupid, you forget that he literally only lost due to the ignorance of his underlings and space whales, faloni wrote him practically indifferent to the source material as in legends thrawn literally only lost because the betrayal of his bodyguard. And really no one would have expected space whales and even then he had like a dozen star destroyers in orbit to even get to him (Space whales op) and they didn’t even kill him. Faloni is a og star wars fan mentored by george lucas who has written the clone wars and several other top tier star wars series, and now hes writing ahsoka so I can assure you he will be the calm collected super intelligent strategist as in all other content he is in, and will probably lose to the stupidity or betrayal of his underlings once more.
Btw the battle of attollon because of admiral constatine’s disobedience, the bendu zapping his stuff, and price’s negligence of the fleet while he was on the ground that allowed the other interdictor to be destroyed. Price lost to the rebels at their encampment on lothal while thrawn had no idea of the imperial attack as he was on coruscant, he only got back to lothal after the command center on the dome was captured and had the upper hand until space whales kidnapped him, even though the rebels recaptured the shield they would have been unable to launch the dome as it would still have destroyed the city, the shield only prevented bombardment of the city. The only thing that defeated thrawn directly was space whales that came from sectors away.
Can we take a moment to appreciate the fact that the only times he lost in Rebels was due to the incompetence of his subordinates?
You're forgetting about the space whales.
@@Wyr_111 oh yeah that too.
Basically, a single imperial officer of the millions, required the force and incompetence from his subordinates to be defeated. If that doesn't tell you how amazing Thrawn is, idk what will
Half the time especially early on, it almost seemed like he intentionally let the men fail, I don't know if it was the case, but I always saw Thrawn as an individual who had contingencies in his plans, hoping they'd be used as it would lead to a greater victory
@@SuperSayianWarrior he still won the battle of atollon. He destroyed 2-3 different rebel cells and over a dozen ships that they took so long gathering. Yes some of them escaped so it wasn't a spiritual (satisfactory) victory, but it was a tactical and strategic victory. The Rebels were completely shut down and even someone as brave as Mon Mothma was shut down. That's why Ezra's victory on Lothal was significant, as it removed one of the only people in the Empire who could actually think accordingly with the Rebels (the other being Tarkin and Vader, one who was killed on the death star, and the other who was too preoccupied about founding out about his children).
Something i’ve always liked about Thrawn is how he still respects the military rank of his enemies by calling Hera “Captain Syndulla” and referring to Commander Sato as commander the same way
When you boil it down to its most basic, what sets Thrawn apart is not just his strategic brilliance, but that he actually respects his opponents.
@@nickd457 so true. It’s because of his respect that he also never underestimates what the rebellion is capable of, despite every other high ranking imperial seeing them as weak(cough cough, tarkin)
@@Kev24Though it does at times still seem that he thinks he's superior to them or mock them in a subtle way, which I like.
@@floriansteininger347 true. He’s still very confident in his ability to outsmart them
@@Kev24And from 40:10 to the end of the scene, it does kinda seem like he's mocking her in a more subtle way and has some hidden sadism.
Fun fact about Thrawn is that he is the one Grand Admiral that has a fleet that is loyal to him, their loyalty to him is so strong that other admirals have questioned if their loyalties is with Thrawn or the Empire.
Hoping we get to learn more about the Chiss Ascendancy in Ashoka series.
Yeah. That was like that in the EU. In Canon, he was ruined.
@@arozinos863 no its canon. What i am talking about is his trilogy books. In the last book treason this was stated by several high ranking imperial officers, it gotten to the point where Palpatine called him in but ordered him to capture Ezra bridger before they could have a "long long talk"
@@arozinos863bullcrap, canon didn’t ruin him, he has 6 great canon books, the ascendancy trilogy and the thrawn trilogy
True
...The Ascendancy Trilogy? I had no idea there was another besides the Thrawn trilogy! Thanks you! Gonna search it up now! @@calmsquirrel7124
Thrawn’s emotional intelligence is his greatest strength, a vast contrast from Anakin.
to be fair, emotional intelligence is a good thing for a jedi, but a sith with emotional intelligence would be extremly weak.
@@thephoenix4093 Baylen disproved that theory.
@@vectorfox4782 no he didn't. he's just hiding his emotion, his very clear anger and hatred towards the order which he hid inside, and he's an extremly good duelist without a lot of feats when using the force.
@@thephoenix4093 nah, you’re giving him too much credit. But I don’t blame Anakin. What happened to his mom just solidified his resolve for hatred. If she was alive to see him become a successful Jedi and get married, we would’ve had a different Anakin all together and we would’ve all loved him.
@@vectorfox4782 Baylan Skoll isn't Sith. He is grey Jedi.
He is my Favorite Villain in all of Star Wars. His collectiveness, appreciation for history, eye on the bigger picture, wanting to hear his subordinates opinions. He is evil but a very effective leader. He isn’t consumed by ego and THAT is what makes him so dangerous and powerful
i agree. He's comfortable retreating and saving his resources when a battle turns against his favor instead of letting his ego destroy his men. Thrawn plays the long game. To me, it's terrifying that he thinks like an inhuman computer, but appreciates art like DaVinci.
@@slchance8839And plus when he loses, he accepts his losses and gives his enemies the victory.
When you read the Thrawn books, you realize that Thrawn isn't remotely evil. In fact, he hates evil and the evil in the Empire; but he's desperate to save his people. The Chiss viewed siding with the Empire as a lesser evil to annihilation from the Yuuzhan Vong/Grysk threat. It's complicated because Thrawn's duty to his people is no different than the Rebels is to theirs. Zahn does a phenomenal job writing him to the point where Thrawn comes across as simply someone on the other side of a War, with his own motivations to protect those he loves. Honestly, he's a much needed complexity for villains in Star Wars because why people join wars are for different reasons. And unlike Pryce, Thrawn doesn't seek his own glory. He only seeks to protect his people, to the point where he gave up everything to join the Empire to give them a chance.
@@mish375 oh wow I didn’t know that! I actually haven’t read the books. I’ll have to get into them now
@@soupdogstudios5354 It's really interesting when you get into Thrawn's backstory because you actually can't view him as a straight up villain. You sympathize with him because he's torn between keeping cover and keeping his people safe. He can disassociate from his emotions to use pure logic, which is why Palpatine couldn't sense his loyalties. Thrawn was controversial among the Chiss because he believed that if they were to survive the War in the Unknown Regions (which makes Empire vs Rebels look like a kid's game, it's so brutal) they needed to take pre-emptive strikes when the enemy was down. For this he was exiled, but this was discovered to be a fake out as he had caught the attention of Palpatine. The Chiss needed to ensure that Palpatine wouldn't screw them over and sent Thrawn as a spy to protect their interests. It explains why Thrawn found the Death Star both alarming and an impractical use of resources. And his desperation to save his people connects with his personal losses: Thrawn has seen more people he loves die than most know, including never getting closure after his brother Thrass was killed.
Thrawn was unusual among his people because, while they were isolationists, he felt every non-hostile species deserved a chance at life which the Vong/Grysk threatened. He hated the racism and xenophobia in the Empire. So when he tries to reunite the remnants of the Empire after ROTJ, he actually puts policies in place for soldiers to be promoted on merit and not race. There's a lot more than that, but this should give you an indication of why Thrawn's crew would fight alongside and be willing to die for him.
Man, if Thrawn could use the Force, he'd be unstoppable.
Definitely
His name is Palpatine
Hell, if Thrawn could UNDERSTAND how the force works, he'd be unstoppable. As that would remedy one of his few and only weaknesses.
tbf members of their species do have the ability to use the force (I believe at the most when they are young) since they live in the unknown region they use the force to help navigate it. they called them "skywalkers"
also because their species has much more intelligence as they age by typically 2 times (for example his species 5 year olds have the mental capacity of a 10 year old, so in that sense a physically middle aged man would have a mental capacity of a wise old man)
@@TheTrytix Well if you read the Legend comics he did learn to understand the force to a degree. He collected lizard like creatures called Ysalamari (yes they’re called that) which were able to repel force users.
"How will we know if Thrawn is in his office?"
"You'll hear organ."
Same with Vader. Just listen for the Imperial March
“Who deserves what is irrelevant. What matters is…WHO…HAS…POWER?” this statement alone explains why Thrawn should never have a change of heart. I soo hope Disney doesn’t destroy his character in the Ahsoka series
He's one of my favorite characters in fiction. I'll lose my shit if they mess up.
@@ETHANADDS I have a feeling he will just be talked about and only revealed briefly in last few episodes to keep us in suspense
But they already did in Rebels?! Thrawn is a total fool that doesn't have any brilliance or strategic thinking left.
Those who have power make the best weapons to defeat the greater evil
Filoni ruined Thrawn
Gotta love thrawn sparring with assassin droids purely to kill downtime
So in other words, he does it for fun
I believe it’s more training then anything else
@@gianmarcopow-sang8690it can be a bit of both
Is freaking space. Months locked in a ship. Only training and studying
hand to hand as well, he literally punch them every hit.
In the first novel of the canon series for Thrawn, Is revealed that he trains not just as mine but his body too. There’s like a secret to having having a fit enough body to create a fit, which gives you faster reaction time because of all the blood flowing up there physically means It’s harder to assassinate him.
No wonder people are willing to die for this man. His voice is as smooth as butter.
Whoever picked Lars Mikkelsen for Thrawn is an absolute genius 🧠🧠 No one pulls off the more perfect subtle voice for a villain of bad intentions!
He embodies the character so perfectly that I can't imagine anyone else playing Thrawn. The casting was on point. I hope Disney never recasts the role. Lars IS Thrawn.
You should listen to the cannon thrawn audio books narrated by Mark Thompson, it's almost identical to Lars
Robin Atkin Downes?
I just recently realised that Thrawn calling Sato, "one of the greatest commanders to come from the Mykapo system" was an insult and not a compliment 😂😂
Forgive my ignorance, gyr how is it an insult?
Thrawn compliments his enemies. He never insults them.
@@ryankwon8785 i think its just his asessment of a very few capable commanders that are present. More like the chihuahua is funnier than a shitzu
Basically like calling Germany the richest country in Europe, while countries outside of Europe, like China, USA, Russia, and Japan exist.
He respects his enemies abilities. He would not say Sato is the best to come out of the Mykapo system as an insult. He says it to recognize Sato’s abilities as a commander.
14:12
"You seem in surprisingly good spirits considering this loss."
"Loss, you say?"
I love how subtle of a catch that was, he focused on that one word and I swear his suspicions were confirmed in that moment. A loyal officer would have mentioned the destruction or asked what retaliation should be taken, not directly mention a loss as if they just won a trivial board game.
Dude, he's such a good villain. At least in the comics, his motivation for supporting the Empire is that the structure of the new republic is to weak to resist extragalactic threats. As long as he's right about that, his only flaw is that he believes that his ends justify his means.
The cannon thrawn trilogy is so good
you dare call grand admiral Thrawn a villain? rebel scum
I actually laughed out loud @ 5:41 when Thrawn grabbed Slavin and snarled in his face
There's no way that guy didn't shit his pants
It's kind of unsettling to see someone who is so calm, collected and proper all of a sudden be enraged at the slightest thing.
Not only did slavin question an order but he made a jab at something Thrawn respects: Art. If this was legends thrawn would have Rhuk kill slavin
If only Gideon survived to meet Thrawn. If he was afraid of Luke Skywalker, then he'd be completely terrified of Thrawn.
So..The entire chess pieces are in place.😒
I think Gideon outranks thrawn though
@@SpookyM0aiManI seriously doubt that
@@junior523 I could be wrong lemme check
@@junior523 ok yeah thrawn definitely outranks Gideon. I could have sworn moffs outranked thrawn though
The fact that he let the rebels win a bunch of smaller battles so he could track their movements and find their base... and then when the rebels tried to remove their planet from his database of possible locations, he memoized the planets and knew the one that was missing was their base???
He is SUCH a good villain.
also known as, The long game.
His voice is like a serving of the finest of wines & smooth as butter tbh.
5:40 i love how terrified Captain Slavin is in this scene. Thrawn was always so calm, collected, and never once did he show visible signs of aggression or fear. Slavin was probably one of the first imperial officers to see just how angry and terrifying thrawn can be when he ISNT ALREADY TERRIFYINGLY CALM AND COLLECTED.
I love thrawn... he's such a cool villain, and he's excellent at his job. The only thing keeping him from winning against the rebels was the incompetence of his fellow imperial officers.
this scene gives the same vibe as Vader running towards this incompetent female inquisitor (can't remember her name) in the Kenobi Series. Vader always walks slow and calmy, but a scary and cunning calmness, but him running at her must've felt 10x more terrifying.
@@_LYo the inquisitor's name is reva or third sister (and she is garbage), and the thing with Darth Vader is so true. People who typically use a calmer style of intimidation are even more terrifying when they actually get angry
“I will start my operations here and pull the rebels apart piece by piece. They will be the architects of their own destruction.”
- Someone who should’ve been at Yavin/Endor
Captain Pellaeon wonders several times during Heir to the Empire how different the Battle of Endor would have been with Thrawn leading the Fleet. Honestly, the Rebels never would have won.
@@mish375 I mean quite literally not even Grand Moff Tarkin took the proper approach to this battle. Thrawn would have forced the rebels to play chess with him, a game they most certainly wouldn’t have won
@@nggyunglyd2374 Oh sorry I meant Battle of Endor in ROTJ. But yes, Thrawn would have been giving more than an "are you stupid" stare (like the one he did to Morgan) when he heard that Tarkin actually allowed the Rebels to have the Death Star plans and didn't try to guard against the vulnerability in the DS' hull.
Admittedly I'm glad the va for thrawn is playing him in ahsoka so I can continue to listen to his dulcet/soporific voice (it's definitely loquacious too)
He honestly has a sexy voice tbh
Him and maul have the sexiest voices out of anyone across the series and that may be an influence on my crushes for them 🤣
@@grettaclarkson6511 Lars and sam are based fr
Took your time with Google dictionary I see...
Your only problem was using the word "loquacious." Which has nothing to do with the SOUND or TONE of his voice. Loquacious means a person who talks a lot, or talks TOO much.
Nice try, trying to sound articulate.
@@wadewilson8011 I'm wondering if the OP meant "salacious" instead of "loquacious" considering they were torn between finding his voice sexy as a good or inappropriate thing.
I am so ready to hear this voice again in Ahsoka. This premiere hit every mark for me and soothed all the concerns I would've had. I eagerly await the return
And? Was it as you hoped it to be on this week's episode?
@@Azerez01it’s on this weeks episode
@@Azerez01 oh yes. Of course, Thrawn looks a little different, but it's a necessary evil in order to have the voice actor who helped bring him to life continue to do so.
@@jneumy566it's the same voice actor?!
@@Danieljosol yep
Thrawn is the type of villain that plays the long game yet very calculative, learning his enemies tactics and their history. Knows how to cut his lost when the battle is not going in his favor without letting his own ego consume him further. This is what makes him one of the dangerous villain in SW.
Its awesome that thrawn put on a chestplate and a helmet when commanding the ground, its such attention to detail because thrawn wouldnt be vain enough to scoff at basic protection just because it was less comfortable or stylish.
I hope in the Ashoka show that we hear Thrawn before we see him, his voice is iconic and it’s so slow and cold.
I have good news for you. The voice actor in Rebels also plays him in live action
I love the little fact that the only person Thrawn even was afraid of was Anakin skywalker/Darth Vader, noone really scared him more then skywalker and he did not enjoy the fact Ahsoka was Anakins master, love it. He might not have shown fear from the name Anakin skywalker but hes actions shows it and the Comic says more about it.
Ahsoka was Anakin's Padawan he was her master
Thrawn straight messes with your head. This is why he's one of the most dangerous admirals in the empires ranks
It's interesting how Kallus points out civilian casualties - he had some sense of honor that developed into desertion.
In the first new canon Thrawn book, it's revealled thst Pryce was the one responsible for the civilian casualties. Thrawn didn't like that but sadly there was nothing he could do about it. It's one reason why he only tolerates her, but doesn't like her.
Grand Admiral Thrawn is a true piece of work. His weapon is his mind and how he deals with all of the situations around him. He sees the bigger picture indeed. The whole Galactic picture.
I like how he upgrades is bodyguards to death troopers after almost being assinated
bro knew he needs all his guards to be locked in at all times
I was thinking Thrawn had to do some "evil" acts just to stay in Palpatine's and Tarkin's good books. If it was up to Thrawn, he would do things less villainously.
Now im not saying that Rebels is a bad show, i quite enjoy it. But lets take a moment to imagine what could have been if Rebels, was created with the same animation style as The Clone Wars, with the same budget, and without the restrictions Disney put on them.
The central story would still be the same. It would just look way better than it does. Maybe we'd have a little more brutality like Chopper chopping heads off, but otherwise, pretty much the same
@@anubhavdassharma1854I’d like to imagine that the battles would’ve been so different than what we have but it ended the same way as they did (like the Rebel bomber attack on Lothal)
@@RoderickTiernan Rebels would have a few more deaths here and there, and maybe a little more brutality. It wouldn't change the themes, messages and the story the show was trying to tell.
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They really should've killed off Sabine's mother and brother, it would've been a good emotional and impactful moment, especially right after they managed to save her dad and it will hammer in the consequences of her actions even more
@@Brother_O4TS I do agree. Then dying would have had a more impactful effect. But I think, the sudden focus from Sabine's story to the rebellion and ultimately Ezra and Kanan's story would have taken away from the latter. Losing both your mother and brother is a lot. So they would need a few more episodes to wrap up Sabine's story cuz she would definitely want revenge for it. As mature as she was in those episodes, she's still Sabine, a hot headed Mandolorian. So it would definitely make this final season a little messier. They could have done it but it would shake things up a bit.
And ultimately, she did lose both of them, and her father in the Purge of Mandalore. Rn the only family she has left is Ezra and Ahsoka. The others are scattered across the galaxy.
36:28 I always love a villain who acknowledges and praises the skills of their rivals. Thrawn knowing that the pilot of the stolen tie defender is not Hera due to the imperial forces still being active in the pursuit puts a smile on my face.
Just got to meet Lars Mikkelsen at C2E2 he's a really great and friendly guy. When I told him he plays the sophisticated villain very well such as Thrawn and magnussen from Sherlock, he told me "thank you, I don't know what it is lately with my brother and I but we seem to get villain roles lately, you can imagine what our mother thinks about it" lol.
35:41 "Hey!"
"Fascinating"
Best moment hands down
42:04 this scene bears a much more powerful message if you have read the expanded lore and Thrawn comics: After he caught her in an underhanded deal to put herself in power on Lothal but being unable to prove it, Governor Price basically made a deal with then-Captain Thrawn to cover for his social gaffes and teach him the art of political maneuvering which w,as one of the few areas Thrawn was not so apt in.
THIS scene, in a most beautiful way, is Thrawn making making something absolutely clear to her: He's an Imperial Grand Admiral, Only Tarkin ostensibly outranks him in the military. He has an entire fleet to call upon, not merely a single ship, and none of his subordinates would sell him out as he's a genuinely good commander. He has the respect of Darth Vader and the ear of the Emperor.
He doesn't Need her anymore, and this fiasco is simply proof that she has outlived her usefulness.
Bros got an ASMR voice
I kept almost falling asleep throughout this entire video, not cus i was bored but because thrawn has the most soothing voice I've ever heard for absolutely no reason??? He might be a villian but everytime he talks i feel oddly calmed💀
Damn, it's awesome how half a dozens of really good character pretty much often makes me cheer for the empire
God, his voice is so satisfying to listen to.
Thrawn and Hera are just so perfect. The way he's casually talking and whenever his back is turned you can see her eyes flickering, measuring the situation, weighing options. Meanwhile Thrawn moves with complete confidence, every possibility already weighed, measured and accounted for. Contrasts. I think Thrawn was being perfectly honest when he said he thought it was unfortunate their first meeting might be their last. There's a certain part of him that admires the fight, wants the challenge.
Strategist vs tactician.
When they meet. The strategists has to make a net. The tacticians a lot of traps. Commonly ends with a strategist trapped after a miracle move. Or a tactician tired surrounded
He is also humble enough to give credit when credit is due. Such as 36:28
One of the most different villains i’ve seen in a show. The main reason I loved rebels as much as i did.
Same. I loved Rebels so much. Thrawn is one of my favorite characters
We really need more of thrawn
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The live action Thrawn was garbage.
Man this this guy is smart. And knows how to play the game masterfully he rivals the likes of Char or Lelouche I never knew of Thrawn before rebels but now I know why hes so beloved has good ...Real Good.
Char was kinda held back by his selfishness, misguided quest for revenge and his obsession with amuro .
Full frontal is a superior version
Thrawn
-Tactically Intelligent
-Respects his enemies and honors them
-Can fight off two dark troopers unarmored and not suffer a single scratch
Mando
-Not that smart
-Sees enemies as worthless
-Gets bodied by one dark trooper even though he has beskar on
37:53 - 38:04 pretty much sums up the entire plot of star wars rebels
thank you writers for giving thrawn the honor of going out like a badass
Thrawn is like Professor Moriarty and Sherlock Holmes rolled into one terrifyingly prescient and slightly uncanny valley-ish alien package. No force powers, no magic, no heroic plot armour, yet he's scarier than almost anyone else save for a few select individuals in the galaxy, only because of his sheer indomitable, ruthless intellect. Even when he's not on screen, it's as if he can almost see our heroes, like they're only ever a couple of wrong moves away from bringing him and his armada of death down on their own heads. When he speaks, it's as if he's vivisecting everyone around him, like he can break something down into its smallest relevant component parts, and reassemble it again in order just by looking. He sees your works, your wants, your needs, your plans, your mind, your heart, and your soul. He might know you better than you know yourself... and he will use this, and every means at his disposal to make you trap and destroy yourself. Utterly devoid of sentimentality, compassion, or anything which could stand in the way of his victory. He is patience and pragmatism and intelligence and willpower incarnate.
He is Thrawn.
You should write a book or something. It's been a while since I've read anything this great 👏 Thrawn is easily my favourite character and you just described him perfectly.
@@nikedietrich4001 Thanks... that's so kind of you to say.
Thrawn is the three Cs of villainy
-Cold
-Calculating
-Cunning
Also one A too: Art
5:45 Thrawn was so sick of the officer incompetence he almost snapped at him
I love thrawn so much
Thrawn should have his own movie with his origins and backstory and how he joined the empire and met the emperor
You can read the novel Thrawn (2017). It's about that and it is really good
You'd love the Thrawn: Ascendancy trilogy then and the first new canon Thrawn book (Thrawn, 2017). That gives you his backstory up to his fake exile and climb through the ranks to Grand Admiral.
Thrawn is vastly different than any villain that was in a cartoon series. Disney could’ve made his voice actor make him an over the top villain, but no they chose Lars Mikkelson to portray Thrawn with a calm voice and with such excellent dialogue
When thrawn counters by saying his troops are safe and he can now kill everyone without imperial losses, that’s when Ezra realizes he is dealing with an entirely unique opponent. Thrawn doesn’t care about morality if it leads him away from the strategically sound option.
Thrawn is the british museum personified. What with his art acquisition methods.
My favorite has to be the “narrowed the search” one. There really was no stopping Thrawn from finding them. The Rebels appeared to win even when their location was as closed to comprised as possible but Thrawn came out in top either way. I’m sure he already suspected Kallus at that point.
“If captain Syndulla were piloting this ship our fighters would not have lasted this long” one of Thrawns best lines, shows he honors his opponents for their strengths and never underestimates them which is why he is one of the most perfect villains ever written
My God man this guy was a damn good detective and investigator I can understand why he was promoted by the emperor so damn fast in the Empire it's a shame with his skills that he pretty much wasn't the straight leader going into the force Awakening era
Thrawns voice is somehow soothing
Thrawn was such an amazing character in rebels he almost never got mad. He remained cool.
he is the most intelligent star wars villain ever created
The midichloriens in his charisma are over 9000. He's the choosen one, the real one
Just writing to say thank you for this compilation. Without this context a lot of the Ahsoka series did not make sense. Using Thrawn as a focal point seems like a good way to catch up.
You're welcome!
I can see why others love him for his skill and tactics if the emperor had listened to him instead of tarkin who knows how the empire would last it might be almost Invincible
I think a stormtrooper commander who didn't like Thrawn said something along the lines of if Thrawn's method of leadership spread throughout the Imperial Navy, the Empire would stand forever.
Yes. But Tarkin had something Thrawn Didnt had... Killer edge and murder instict... Wich the sith and dark side thrives on.
Grand Admiral Thrawn is so smart he turns a defeat into a victory for him
The audio books are excellent. The voice actor was incredible
The audio book Thrawn sounds an awful lot like Mauls voice actor. Which is a fitting difference for Thrawn, love both voices
a fact you may not know: thrawn is voiced by a danish actor called lars mikkelsen, who is the older brother of mads mikkelsen, who is well known for playing galen erso in rogue one, jürgen voller in indiana jones 5 and replacing johnny depp as grindelwald in the harry potter spinoff movies. as for lars mikkelsen, he's well known in the uk for playing charles magnussen, the main antagonist of the bbc's modern version of sherlock, and he's actually returned to play the role in live action for future projects spearheaded by dave filoni, starting with the ahsoka tv show
I could listen to his voice all day
I’m so fucking excited for next Wednesday, we will finally get this spine chilling voice in live action!
Also how he calls it the clone WAR not WARS really scarily shows how his minds sees the bigger picture
Grand Admiral Thawn is like a super duper tactical droid.
2:13 - I really like that line.
Are you excited to see Mikkelsen play Thrawn in live-action in Ahsoka?
The second Mikkelesen to play an imperial officer in the Star Wars after his brother, Mads’s character, Galen Eros
5:40 The look on Thrawn's face when he grabbed Slavin made him terrifying in this scene. 😬
Damn. I wish every conqueror and imperialist were as charismatic as Thrawn. I mean, imperialism would be just as bad, but like, look at him
Anyone here after the latest episode of Ahsoka?
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Grand Admiral Thrawn being at his office door and almost busting ezra and kallas is my favorite episode
I still remember that episode. One of my favorites from Rebels
@@kirank287 cool
Thrawn is so badass he has his own Castlevania boss music.
Hes more of a Goat than Moff tarkin and moff Gideon combined.
Grand Moff Tarkin
You know if the guy who says secrets are his stock and trade hadn't heard of Thrawns' possible return. Damn that's a well-kept secret.
I guess Morgan didn’t trust the imperial remnant to actually succeed in bringing back thrawn, which makes sense if you think about it.
This is so good. He said he know all secrets in THE galaxy and didn't hear about Thrawn. The problem is Thrawn is not in THIS galaxy. Whales transported him outside (Rebels's ending)
@@TheMiczelo My theory is that Eli Vanto and Admiral Ar'alani (in the Chiss Ascendancy/Unknown Regions) managed to make some kind of long range communciation device to communicate with the Chimaera in exile. It would explain how the Imperial allies knew and were able to gather resources for Thrawn's return. Pellaeon did say that their entire plan hinged on remaining secret and appearing as separated loyalists to the Empire that we're organized. So obviously they were able to keep Thrawn's location/plans under wraps.
I always loved how respectful thrawn was about culture, I wouldn't be shocked that if Syndulla ever joined the empire, he'd return her kalikori.
What scares me most about him is his calmness. He’s cold, calculating, and even in loss, he still finds victory.
I love how he treats slavin
"Forgive him" 🤣🤣🤣
Grand Admiral Thrawn is one a best Imperial Admiral.
This is exactly what I needed for today's episode!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Just imagine if he was force sensitive as well, he would be unstoppable...
My god I love this man’s theme
Has anybody here come to watch this after seeing the Ahsoka season finale? He made a grand entrance in that series.
49:13 Thrawn: A Star Wars Story Live Action Movie takes place in Comic Books, Video Games, and Chapter Books with Thrawn, Gilad Pellaeon, Rae Sloane, Nial Declan, Enoch, Ruhk, and Commander Gree(Clone Wars Flashbacks)
I honestly got a really bad feeling that they'll do Grand Admiral Thrawn a hell of a dirty in the Ahsoka show. He's supposed to be a brilliant strategist who was steps ahead of his opponents, highly intelligent, and intimidating, and I feel like they're gonna turn him into a buffoon which I really hope not.
They already did that in Rebels.
@@arozinos863 Yeah, but I couldn’t imagine the Ahsoka show doing it far worse.
Im super worried and with Filoni having history of ruining EU characters, he's prolly gonna make him look like an evil villan like he did in Rebels
Yall stupid, you forget that he literally only lost due to the ignorance of his underlings and space whales, faloni wrote him practically indifferent to the source material as in legends thrawn literally only lost because the betrayal of his bodyguard. And really no one would have expected space whales and even then he had like a dozen star destroyers in orbit to even get to him (Space whales op) and they didn’t even kill him. Faloni is a og star wars fan mentored by george lucas who has written the clone wars and several other top tier star wars series, and now hes writing ahsoka so I can assure you he will be the calm collected super intelligent strategist as in all other content he is in, and will probably lose to the stupidity or betrayal of his underlings once more.
Btw the battle of attollon because of admiral constatine’s disobedience, the bendu zapping his stuff, and price’s negligence of the fleet while he was on the ground that allowed the other interdictor to be destroyed. Price lost to the rebels at their encampment on lothal while thrawn had no idea of the imperial attack as he was on coruscant, he only got back to lothal after the command center on the dome was captured and had the upper hand until space whales kidnapped him, even though the rebels recaptured the shield they would have been unable to launch the dome as it would still have destroyed the city, the shield only prevented bombardment of the city. The only thing that defeated thrawn directly was space whales that came from sectors away.
Tactician, commander, collector. Grand Admiral Mith'raw'nuruodo. Pride is poison, anger is antiprogress, and Thrawn is a good leader.
The bendu telling thrawn he sees his defeat has to be foreshadowing for the ahsoka show
It was foreshadowing what would happen at the end of Rebels.
32:45
49:32
@@LactusTheIntolerant he still technically hasn’t been defeated though
Actually bendu is foreshadowing any and all villains in the star wars universe in general
'Try and stall him'
'Oh...wait...I cant....hes at the door.'🤣🤣
Man his voice nd how he carry himself is 🔥🔥 Lars mikkelsen is ah 🐐🐐 man he’s really talented especially how he did In the new ahsoka show 💯❗️
My man Grand Admiral Thrawn!!!!! My fourth favorite villain of all time!!!! 🙏🏽💪
Thrawn is the MAN!!!!!!
The Chiss. The Mitth. The Legend.
He is THAT GUY
His voice is better than ASMR
You really shouldn't act prejudiced when speaking to the only guy in the entire empire who deals with that from everyone everyday.
the way Thrawn looks at Pryce at 37:20 and grins makes me chill
Hate how two people disobeyed Thrawn orders, the governor destroyed the fuel supply, and if they kill Thrawn off I’ll be pissed
❤Lars Mikkelsen❤ as voice and real grand admiral Thrawn, can't wait for Ahsoka ep. 7
Same. I'm loving this show so far. Thrawn made it better
I love his talk in 4:05
How even being a great student in the art of warfare, he can never compare to someone BORN in it