WHO'S IN CHARGE? How the Imperium of Man is Organised | Warhammer 40,000 Lore
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 มี.ค. 2024
- The Imperium is made up of thousands of different departments, organisations and military forces, all trying to cling on to their own supreme authority. So, is anyone REALLY in charge? Who has authority? Let's see if we can find out.
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As a Civil Servant, a 35 minute video about the governance and organisation structure of the Imperium fills me with a weird combination of dread, loathing and satisfaction.
Any envy for not having a militarized and fanatically deranged wing of your department?
Only a little bit... @@Elizabeth-Coleman
Join the Indonesian civil service then. You become an automatic reservist and the military will "train" you every 2 or 3 years by bringing you to the shooting range where you get to shoot old surplus AK 47s or M14.
@@rakaisjwara9856with Komcad already exist, i doubt they still conduct that training
Same. First day on the job my thought was "Holy shit, the Administorum is real."
The question, "How does it all work?" is an oxymoron. That implies it works lol
I think there is a slight but important difference between working extremely poorly and not working at all 😄
Friends don let friend ask "How" for ANYTHING whatsoever, works in 40K.
i mean, they're still there, so it does work
It's the difference between efficient and effective... it's not very efficient, but despite that it is effective... sort of, I mean the Imperium is still standing after 10 millennia despite being beset on all sides so it clearly can get stuff done. If only by throwing a few million bodies at every problem.
Given the Imperium has lasted longer than any other known human civilisation, saying it 'doesn't work' is frankly ridiculous.
"One of the more sinister organizations"
Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?
Has anyone ever noticed how we got a *rainbow coded* "Priesthood of Terra"
I mean, you got the...
•RED - Tech Priests, Adeptus Mechanicus
•YELLOW (with RED sash) - The Chosen, Adeptus Astronomica
•GREEN, Acolytes & Adepts, Adeptus Astra Telepathica
•BLUE - Adepts, Adeptus Astronomica
•BROWN &/or BROWN - Adepts, Adeptus Administratum
The grimmdark future stans Pride lol.
The Imperium is inclusive of who they soul-sacrifice to the corpse of the half-dead Immortal God-Emperor of Mankind!
We're ALL Human after all, Right?
😃👉🏽👉🏽
✊🏽🏳️🌈💀
Could you make a video (or even just a short) covering this, I cannot UNthink it. 😅😂
@@orraklbenedict1832if you can fire a lasgun the Guard don’t care who you are 😄
@@orraklbenedict1832oh fucking lgtv just cant accet that not everything rainbow meant supporting them
Every high lord to themself: "these people are insane. Thank the emperor I'm in charge"
One standard Imperial weekend? According to the dating system that could be anywhere between
- calculates -
2 days to seven years
What!? You have applied the forbidden Firstonian doctrine to your dates! HE'S A FIRSTONIAN! A CHRONOLOGICAL HERETIC! BURN HIM!
(The new official Bornian Imperial reckoning is between 1.8 days to seven years and three months)
😂😂😂
Unfortunately, Ian was becalmed in the Warp for 1000 years while only a single weekend passed in the material realm 😂
Point about the planetary governors is a good one. It’s important not to think of it as a giant space country. Instead of viewing the map as its borders, imagine the map as showing “these planet governments pay taxes to Terra”
I would reckon the imperium, probably would not intervene if a local government was overthrown by a rebellion, as long as the new government pays the tithe.
Oops meant to comment not reply
"How does it work"
That's the thing. The Imperium doesnt work, it just lumber's on by sheer inertia.
Todd Howard: It just works!
Maybe it's 'cause I'm a lawyer, but I just love Imperium bureaucracy. One of my favorites aspects of the inefficiency of the Administratum, and the gargantuan size of the Imperium is the fact that nobody knows for sure how to keep track of time, just showing how the most ordinary of things can become a giant mess in this chaotic universe.
lol, same for me as a law bachelor, reading about the governance of the imperium itself for the first time also makes me realize that life in the imperium is very much depends on what planet you came from, from each planet in the imperium, imperium at large only requires you to pay your designated tithe and stay loyal, they don't give af about how you govern your own planet, imperium is so vast that conducting centralize rule from Terra is impossible, hell Imperium can't even enforce common currency throughout it's realm
you can either be born in a civilized planet where there is rule of law,your life is valued, your administratum cares about you and your life is overall good, or you can be born on a knight world or feudal world, where your life would be simple but pretty fulfilling, or you can be born in a soul grinder that is lower class of hive world or daily struggle for survival in a feral world, all are possible
I am a public servant / policy advisor and I love it as well, its strangely relatable sometimes.
"I am sorry, we closed your request for administrative reasons because of the following: your request took too long to process. Please submit it again."
For example, we have no idea the day of the Emperor's Feast Day or Sanguinala (Christmas day 40k)
I write some fluff recently that focused on the weird time hijinks (both new and old). I think the new chronology is one of my favourite bits of worldbuilding.
It's an implicit admission by Bobbie G that the Imperium isn't in control, and won't be any time soon. Not only that, but it's an admission of such to the people (admin, ship's captains, navigators) who are the most invested in the illusion of said control.
Everyone in this comment chain is a part of the problem that contributes to the inefficiency and downfall of nations and doesn't consider themselves as a bad person. I know I'm a shitty citizen, but god damn ya'll.
I work with organisational development for large corporations. ArbitorIan have a better grasp of the Imperium's power structure than a lot of my clients have of their own organisation.
to be fair I think you can fairly safely say Guilliman wields supreme authority over both the High Lords and the Inquisition in practice, given that he’s a primarch, revered as a living saint, commands basically the single largest force of space marines in existence right now and has a very big flamey sword.
There's a Dawn of Fire book where an Inquisitor actually straight up tells Guilliman that he only answers to the Emperor
@@jordanetherington1922 I mean, guillimans words are Bassically the words of the emperor right now. Considering even the custodian guard is now taking orders from hi after dreams from the emperor. He practically has the authority of the emperor just not the same respect as him
@@Alexgamer-wx1hs He'll believe that when the Emperor says so
Fun story we were told when I was still working for Games Workshop: Apparently during the writing for one of the editions (4th or 5th, I am not sure which one) the had a similar chart in the studio to work out how the Imperium... well, worked. And one day a high-ranking manager, supposedly the CEO at the time, walked in and started staring at the chart for several minutes. Being management, he did know a thing or two about organization. And when asked what he thought he replied "Doesn't work." Upon further inquiry he elaborated. "I mean, it looks like it would work, and it probably will work for a while, but eventually the entire system will collapse." Which to his surprise made everyone quite happy and there was a general "We got it right!" mood, which made the manager shake his head and leave.
Don't know if that story is actually true. I have no proof. But it gave us all a good laugh :)
That's hilarious, and I choose to believe it. XD
I believe it, given the guys in charge at the time and game designers at the time, it seems like the sort of interaction they'd have
And then current GW management took over, saw said chart screwed up in the waste paper basket, and thought 'oh look, the solution for how to organise our rules development and codex writing teams'
I mean, this implies there's an objective way of looking at an organisation and identifying it'll fail. Not only is management not an exact science like that, we're to believe that this once in a generation manager, this Lissan al'Gaib with the power of perfect prescience, works for GW?!
@@Deimos2k5 No, this implies that this Gw manager was using his own personal experience and assumptions to make a comment about the chart.
I've rarely clicked on a video thumbnail so quickly, gimme that sweet administrative lore
It seems nice of the Imperium to send out Black Ships to give all those eager psykers a ride to school. Such a great support system, definitely the Imperium at its best.
Your government aid at its best.
The Imperium is just that one South Park episode where they play as cops.
"We're in charge here!"
"Not anymore you're not"
“Aw, snap.”
Ah yes, When a planetary scale doomsday caused Trillion killed is caused by Bureaucratic failure, But only count 0.0001% of All Imperium
If the enemies of the Imperium really want to pull it all down they should stop fighting for a few hundred years. The whole thing would fall apart
There's a flaw in that system in that it will only propel the Imperium to fight even harder to destroy enemies who, for some reason, stopped fighting. War is the fuel that runs the Imperium and there will be war whether the mutant, the alien or the heretic wants to fight or not. LOL
Yeah I had a similar thought along the lines of "the necrons are the smartest and most technologically advanced race and isn't INHERENTLY murder crazy. They should team up with the imperium and shit stomp everyone else." Then someone pointed out how necrons also have the biggest superiority complex in the galaxy second probably only to fulgrim. Also they hate anyone that's not them typically.
The Imperium has legions of bureucrats trying to figure out how the hell the Imperium is run and for the past 10,000 years they still don't have an answer
"..but *actually* they are their own seperate entity" :D
Introducing the new Lord Guilliman, Robute... uh... Guilliman
Rowboat Girlyman is a G.
" *just* *like* *in* *real* *life* it's a colossal edifice that has lost sight of why it actually exists"
For anyone who has ever dealt with middle management, HR and external contractors, imagine that cranked up to 11. Then double it.
Then add an Ork Wagh.
@@_DeadEnd_ Ah, I see you've met Jerry from accountign as well...
Always add an Ork Waagh. Adds flavour.
And then make all of them fight each other
Drink a shot every time something on the Imperium is based on "ancient oaths and treaties".
You need a space marine liver to survive this challenge.
In Rogue Trader the RPG you got to play imperial nobility and deal with this nonsense. At least one player will be a rogue trader, an imperial noble. The players learn that while they start out in command of an imperial cruiser and just go upwards, they also deal with people on that level. You can be there at the start of colonization and set up the stupid treaties people will follow for millennia to come. As a holder of a Warrant, you also have obligations and limits tied to it. Like supplying ships to the defence of a stellar cluster, to settle and maintain worlds in a general area etc.
Imperial Bureaucracy lore is my comfy place. It's like that fable about the want of a nail leading to the loss of a war. A stroke of a pen by accident and your frozen death world doesn't get any warm blankets this year because they're accidentally sent to a tropical pleasure world instead
"Some overworked office drone forgot to carry the 2 for the thousandth time today, now our hive world needs to stretch three days' food to three years."
I love the one horror story about the administratum girl who purposely messed with supplying worlds and battlefields killing millions as no one would stop her cause they’re too busy trying to run their part of the Imperium (and that she finally felt power over others once in her life) . And as the book progresses to its final part, when the girl is being saved by an imperial ship we learn that the Imperial crew will actually choose to cannibalize her because someone messed up their resupply of foodstuffs. It’s a bit karmic as although it could’ve been of her own doing, it also likely represents that within the vast administratum some other bloke could’ve been acting the same as her or genuinely messed up which led to her own death.
@@brian2888 One evil bureaucrat has nothing on Ghengis Khan or Stalin lol
@@OldManRogers If by nothing you mean everything lol. In the year 41,999 countless trillions live and billions die each. Stalin couldn't even kill a billion people and Gengis never even made it to the americas. No the comparison your looking to is perhaps coloumbus who caused an apocolypse in the americas through plauge.
It's basically today's bureaucracy- paid to do something and jealously guarding that something and eternally trying to expand their remit. "Yes Minister" captures it all.
One of my favorite bits of lore in 40k is that the administratum is so unbelievably fractured that they don't even know what year it is. I'm pretty sure the current lore is that it's some time in the very early 42nd millennium, like 41,005 or something.
It's the best way to acknowledge that it is impossible to have the whole galaxy under one timezone.
As always, Ian has you covered on that in his video on how to tell the dates and time in the Imperium.
th-cam.com/video/9YJAf2w4M3Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-91o4z_u6oGizoSo
Also the Warp changes time perception.
@@glandhound nothing a galactic scale daylight saving time couldn’t fix
They know roughly what year it is on Terra, with only a few blank eras and weirdo drift. What happens when communication can only go through the mind-symbolism of telepaths and the warp is nonsense.
Sly Marbo is running the Imperium.
Obviously.
His edicts are just various forms of "AAAAAAAHHH!", though.
Guilliman is Terra's boss. Since, you know, Emperor "told him".
He's da biggest, so he's da boss
Except that he still has to keep quiet about that whole Imperial Truth thing... must not piss off the Ecclesiarchy.
I fully endorse the idea that Guilliman likely had no real conversation with the Emperor, and just took charge because.. Well, he's an actual *Primarch.* Who would have the balls to actually call him out on it, or challenge his authority? Likely nobody who would not actually support him taking charge from the bureaucrats anyway, like the Custodes.
@@chromasus9983 I like how it's never entirely clear what happens inside the Palace. Maybe a handful of people except the inner household of maybe 100-300 have been inside and they all come out a little changed.
Another great video, I think the Imperium of Man gives so much 'scaffold' for people to build stories and campaigns around with all the opportunities for back-stabbing, score-settling and general incompetence.
The 'meta' aspect of your videos puts you head and shoulders above other lore yootoobers. You know when to take it seriously, and when not to.
The script for this episode is impressively tight considering how sprawling and tangential the subject can be. Well done!
I do look forward to the moment when the Inquisition decides to fuck around with Guilliman, probably after they find out about the Imperium Secundus somehow. Because then they are going to find out so hard why Bobby G is the man.
I highly doubt the inquisition will care about that. Imperium Secundus was a short lived idea 10,000 years ago during the heresy and was abandoned. I mean the Inquisition wasn't even a thing back then.
@@quigonlynn1 So you haven't read the Dark Imperium trilogy yet, have you?
@@toniviskari417 Yes but now the lion also stalks the galaxy again. And will back his brother
Guilliman doesn't want another civil war so he will bow down to the Ecclesiarchy and the Inquisition. This is also why he is so worried about anyone finding about Imperium Secundus. The majority of the Imperium finding out that Guilliman denies the divinity of the Emperor and all of a sudden he is the enemy of the Imperium. Despite being the supposed man, he is still not the man enough to go against the religion of the people.
@@fuzzyhair321 After he scolds him for coming up with the Codex Astartes and the breaking up of the Legions.
Op-Ed: The Imperium is controlled by a Shiba Inu in a control room.
The infamous Doge Vandire exerts his influence in all quarters of the Imperium
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If the Emporer ever does get his arse off the Golden throne he’s going to be really confused
These ones don't move that much but, to be fair, it's all happening in a very small area
I was under the impression that in the 41st millenium the Astronomicon consumes nearly 10,000 psykers a day...
I see the relationship between the inquisition and Adeptus Astartes being like the one between the Supreme Court U.S, and President Jackson.
Adeptus Astartes: You made your ruling, now inforce it. We control rhe Military.
Some people argue that the Tyranids are 40ks version of Skaven, but I disagee. I think the Imperium is 40K's version of Skaven.
Wow, it really sounds like modern day government! Wait a minute, I think I understand 40K now.
After getting over the initial awe of power armor and space tanks, this was the stuff that really made me delve deeper into Warhammer 40k. I just love how batshit it is. One thing that wasn't mentioned but that's kinda cool are the successive layers of administration, such as the Lord Sectors or the Segmentum Fortresses (which are really more like interstellar DMV's or harbors rather than what the name implies.)
Keeping an organisation chart accurate for even a mid-sized government department is hard enough.
The Imperium is organised..... theoretically
This is a lot of work. Well done Ian in collating it.
Reminds me of the very real structural crises of the Holy Roman Empire and Shogunate Japan.
Finally, someone tells me the difference between Ministorum, Munitorum and Administratum
24:18 was not expecting to see Commissar Robbie Rotten 🙂
My favorite part of Necropolis was when Gaunt went to court and said in lament terms “your fucking laws don’t matter.”
I will watch this again and again until I understand everything you said. THIS HAS TO BE THE BEST VIDEO ON THIS SUBJECT THAT I'VE SEEN!! Ok...gotta watch again.
Living the fact that a fellow British person busts out the org chart. Brilliant
"Who is driving? Oh my God! Bear is driving! How can that BE?!"
Love this sh*t. I've long thought you could do an awesome game about running the Imperium at a macro level - managing tithes, launching crusades, fielding reports from Inquisitors, making sure the AdMech are talking to the Navy etc. One suspects it could only work as a computer game, but I'd love to see it - get on it, Relic Entertainment.
So the power structure of the Imperium mirrors the administrative structure of GW itself? Only a lot more efficient?
Ian, you are leagues better than any other 40k lore TH-camr out there. Keep up the amazing work!
I thought the administratum was the one in charge of the day to day in the imperium while the high lords were just like a senate. Bear in mind it's highly corrupted, inefficient and bureaucratic.
Great video! Thank you very much. I'd love to see more of the politics and struggles within the Imperium, those "petty disagreements" which stagnate the Imperial complex.
What would happen if Lion el'Jonson wanted to weigh in? ... Surely no one other than Guilliman would be able to contest his opinions?
He would Bassically wield similar authority to guilliman, tho he would probably let guilliman still have his fancy titles since he is the better man to lead the imperium to war but yeah. Personally I believe the lion and big G are directly under the emperor and above all else
@@Alexgamer-wx1hs I still love the story at the council just after they have won the Horus Heresy and the Emperor has been put in the Golden throne where Guilliman lays out his codex Astartes and states that the legions must be broken into chapters and someone accuses him of wanting to take the Imperium for himself and Guilliman says: 'The Ultramarines currently make up 3/5 of all Space Marines. ...If I wanted the Imperium I would take it!'
Nah! No one would want to be inside Rouboute's shoe. It's vital but extra boring job, a man who loves action wouldn't want it.
I feel like I'm the only one left who isn't "frequently a member of the high lords of terra"
I mean when it took 10 damn years just to change Ciaphas Cain's status from KIA to active (this happened many times of course) of course the inefficiency of the administratum is far too easy to see
Ian, another excellent, succinct and digestible effort from you. Thanks mate. You keep the interest in 40k fresh and do so much for the hobby; I hope GW appreciates just how good you are. Love your work.
my favorite 40k horror story is that woman who basically killed millions of people because she deliberately sabotaged logistical paperwork of food and munitions for multiple worlds. just goes to show the nightmare of the imperium's bureaucracy
Really enjoyed this. Thank you.
This was excellent! I forwarded this video to some friends who want to write 40K fanfics
I only write 30K Slash Fiction.
One of the best TH-cam Channels for all things Warhammer, delivers once again. Thank you Ian, the job's a good un'.
Brilliant, thanks Arbitor Ian, I learned a lot of stuff from that!
Theres one element you missed, Warmasters. These are individuals apointed by the High Lords of Terra from either the Imperial Guard or more rarely the Imperial Navy to undertake a single large scale task, such as raising a crusade force to retake a sector or conquer new terriroty as such they have the authority rivaling an Inquisitor to raises forces for that task, be it requsitioning standing Guard regiments or Naval Forces from multipule sectors, forming cooperative pacts with Astartes Chapters or the Mechanicus or anything else they feel necessary.
The unrivalled power of the position means their is rarely more than 1 active in the Imperium at any given time as the title has lead to some holders of the title developing 'ambitions' (especially if they start to 'reinterpret' the scope of their task)
Great video & great work!
Now these are the kind of lore videos we need. watching the 9th video about Sanguinius and his legion is nice and all but rarely do we get stuff like this.
Even if this is titled as a deep dive into who's in charge it works as an excellent introduction to the Imperium
The Custodes is directly under the Emperor and no one else
Good stuff dude. TH-cam algorithm brought me here:)
This is a real good ep Ian once again! Sums up the infinite context of the imperium and really shows how its all so massive and interesting xoxoxo
This was a REALLY good breakdown. Thank you for the info!
Love your lore videos.
The only this i might not totally agree on your chart, perhaps a little change via the Adeptus Custodes a Line from the emperor to them, who els do they really answer to.
Absolutely love this lore videos, thanks!
Then add on top of that for the Astartes you have some of the OG Chapters that can say fuck you and return to Legion strength when they say so (some arguably never disbanded) and another Primarch running around, to say little of the soft power they hold by simple reverence.
I'm very disappointed there wasn't a Electric 6 "Dance Commander " reference in here.
Bloody well done, Ian!
Awesome video, thanks for making it.
15:16 AYAYAYAAAAAAAA
I was wondering if you ever took a breath during that whole process. 😂well done and thanks for breaking it down for us!
''Well, ACTUALLY'' Haha but seriously, you said that the Inquisition was founded by Malcador AFTER the Heresy, but Malcador died at the end of the Siege of Terra. Although he did put down the base of the organisation that did became the Inquisition, it could be argued that its not exact. That being said, thanks for the video: as usual, your stuff is awesome!
The thing I like to think about occasionally is how budgeting works 😂. Like the inquisition seems to have unlimited funds and absolutely no oversight. Which seems unlikely on the face of it, albeit I suppose the Gestapo etc worked on similar principles. I also like to think about the economics of the Astartes chapters. Again, this idea they are entirely self supporting and beholden to no-one feels like a recipe for trouble. Plus the economics of transporting Terra's food from other worlds! 😮 Yes, I'm fun at parties...😅
Dang, one of the only bits ya skipped over was the Tempestus, I was curious why they're separate from the Guard as a whole.
Great video. Thank you!
Great work! Thorough!
The Inquisition. Anything else is heresy.
praise be spaceking !! hahaha figure head had me in stiches
Great work.
You feel like humans trying to keep it together before Gulliman showed up and said "personal glory sucks...." He killed many high Lords after that....... Its bad when the High Assasssinorium goes... "Good idea, but.... you need to kill more people...." Simply because they had not gotten around to it yet......
In skirmish and TTRPG games you mostly run into this on a local level. And by "local level" we mean planetary/solar system government, and the stellar system cluster or down to continent, hive or city/town/hive sector authorities. What happens far up the chain is not directly relevant. I always start with stuff relevant for a game and work from there. Then you can draw a little relation map of the local planets or something, and maybe stick some weirdos in. Like a planet where a single building out in nowhere is a marine recruitment center, and a crew of serfs run it day-to-day. Or what the hierarchy of some hive guilds look like and what bits they got cornered.
A lot of what happens day to day is local. A lot of things are decentralized because Terra and even Gothic Sector command is far away. System and subsector authorities can do a lot without having to wait for Terra or sector command. Part of the outlined duty of planetary government and local imperial branches is to act on local issues using their own judgement or standing orders, and they have the resources to do so. Someone at a local level from hive subsector wards to the local navy patrol will act and if that fails kick it up.
This is the sort of level you and the crew are likely to interact with when you play Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader, Inquisitor or Necromunda. There is a warfront far away, most likely offworld or even in another subsector. The Imperium needs the shoes your hive makes for this war. You are at a hospital here and now trying to figure out where in the ward a bloke you need to interview are. There is a gang in charge of a big fan thing but they can't touch a certain room because it belongs to a hereditary tech-guild and when that fan stops they need leeway to do whatever they do.
Great video, as always.
Nice explanation!
I've come to conclude that the high lord in charge of the Imperial Millitary and Guilliman take joint responsibility over the armed forces, while the rest is left to the high lords, while both leave the Inquisition alone, it seems everyone involved is happy with this arrangement as it only proved to be an improvement over before him showing up again.
Just give the Emperor a text-to-speech device to smooth things out.
I want a Warhammer 40,000: The Sims game
Imagine the bureaucracy in Futurama then multiply it by a million. Add time inconsistency, lightyears of distance, religious bs, war, and chaos.
You have 40k Administratum.
Just came across this and the High Lord vid. Bit of a curiosity question if any one knows any detail, with the Dark Angels now having their Primarch back now in addition to Gullieman. Does Lion El' Johnson hold as much power to Roboute?
He has no official position. He's a random guy wandering around Imperium Nihilus but with no connection or formal position in the government of the imperium.
very well done video
This was wonderful 😊
The Problem with 40k scale is, as soon as you grasp the enormity of the Galaxy, the whole setting gets ridiculoud. In one of the Word bearers novels for example, the traitors attack an imperial System which is Well guarded. They say that 15k Word bear are attacking and there are Billions of guardsmen which lead me to calculate a 1:300000 ratio Not to mention Tanks knights Titans and stuff. Best to Not think too much about All this.
What a flow chart
It helps to concentrate on what you need for a game. If a game you run needs a certain buerocratic office then you write it up. Spending inordinate time on things that are not immediately useful for the players leads nowhere.
Wait.. There is a Bene Gesserit Style Sororitas Order? I love it!
40k's biggest influencer is Dune.
40k and especially the Imperium is basically Dune fan fiction: constant inter imperial conflicts, Navigators/Guild Navigators, God Emperor, refractor fields, galactic holy wars, the fact everyone carries swords and a lot more
The reason why 40k is the BEST sci-fi setting is because EVERY other great sci-fi franchise is in it. Star wars, star trek, Stargate, starship troopers, Alien, Terminator and on and on. Something you really love is already in there. ...it's easily the BEST. 🏆
@@Yurt_enthusiast7 dune is kinda shit though.
@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 thanks for the input