When you know that St.Augustine was Filioquist And St. Irenaeus and St. Cyprian were Pro-papist when you know that Filioque was The Development of the Nicene Creed Innovated by Augustine you know when the Western Latins inserted the Filioque the East did not react until Photius I Criticize It for having Controversy with Rome Calling the Photian Council to anathematize the Bishop of Rome It was the Initial Schism of West And East that Lasted for Years and Later Settled by Pope John Many of the Letters from the Early church fathers that Signifies the Hypostatic-Economic Procession of the Holy Spirit to Father and Son And in July 16 1054 A.D Emperor Cerularius Was Excomunicated by the Papal Legates of Rome Humbert of Silva Candida witH the Permission of Pope Leo IX also Show me one document from tradition or Ecumenical council where the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church identified itself as the Orthodox Church
@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty cope that the arguments were the equivalent of a five year old Protestant’s view of Catholics lmao. None of the information is correct,
Basically an infamous book by a Baptist minister attempting to string together a succession of various sects ultimately originating with the Apostles that were oppressed throughout church history for holding aspects of Baptist theology
@@schellycraft4290 In case you're still wondering, what I think the joke is, is that in the trail of blood theory proto-baptist groups kept getting silenced and oppressed by the other churches that ruled society, and in the video Homer Simpson is getting kidnapped by government agents, a modern form of oppression. Basically Homer is one of those proto-baptist groups. May be wrong but that's what I got from it.
If I may ask, as a former Calvinist... If everything comes from the decree of God including evil how is God not the author of evil? Btw huge fan of the channel.
Thanks for being a fan king :D The simplest answer I believe is that every system which is not open theist affirms that God is the "author of sin" in some way, since there are many ways by which to define "author" and as a result much confusion arises. This also I believe makes anti-monergist arguments that God is the "author of sin" in monergism a pure bullseye fallacy and goal-post shift, because they will (if they aren't open theist) affirm that God is the "author of sin" in the sense that he foresaw it would happen and allowed it to be for the sake of his plan. Why can't one refer to God being the author of sin here and call this unacceptable? I haven't seen any principled reason for excusing this whilst opposing the monergist system on that argument. I highly recommend this article from Triablogue which gives a taste on the major semantic issues underlying this argument: triablogue.blogspot.com/2005/04/is-god-author-of-sin-1.html
@@TheOtherPaul what about the fact that since you don't believe in free will that God essentially condemns people to hell for sins he forced them to make
@@Numenorean921who says he forces them? No one. Anyone who isn’t open theist believes the same thing. If you believe in free will, and believe God is omniscient, and therefore God created people with free will already knowing they will freely choose to reject Him, then when that person is created, that person isn’t really free. Besides, no one is more free than God. So yes that person freely rejected God, when he could have accepted Him, but God already knew said person would reject Him before that person was even formed. No freedom there either.
@@KnightFel knowing the outcome doesn't influence the outcome. Just because God knows what people will decide doesn't mean they couldn't have chosen differently.
Is evil a force such as good? Let's use the analogy of the sun and its heat. When the sun is in the universe there's heat (good), right? When the sun is absent (evil) it's cold? The cold has no energy (power), only the warmth has energy. The cold (evil) only shows that there's no warmth (good). So God's creation is good and when we obey Him we're doing something good. BTW if our human nature is corrupted (after the fall) then Christ (the Son) assumed corrupted nature and was corrupt until He sacrificed Himself(defied human nature and opened the gates of Heaven for us) . That can't be true, so the human nature isn't corrupted, but the world tempts us. Just as matter isn't evil (Gnosticism). Hope, you see what I mean by all of that brother :)
Icons are not wrong and veneration or asking saints for prayers is not wrong. A fellow Orthodox here. Idols and their worship is wrong. An Icon is not an idol, since they don't have the power to do anything, they aren't even prayed to. We can only ask for their prayers and Icons help us ask them better by focusing our mind on the dead saint.
@@YourBoyJohnny94 The word “face” is used in the Hebrew Old Testament to denote God’s personal presence. The Old Testament uses several words for face: panim, aph, ayin, anpin. Of these four words, panim is the most frequently used. The Greek New Testament uses prosopon “προσοπον” in most cases with the exception of one verse which uses opsis “οψις.” Although the focus of this paper is on how the biblical writers used the word “face” to denote the divine presence, this is not to deny other ways in which the word “face” has been used in the Bible. The word “face” has other usage such as the earth’s surface - “the face of the earth,” or direction - “set his face towards,” or opposition - “set his face against,” or as an expression of worship - “fell on his face.” Also in the old testament For the construction of the Tabernacle God gave Moses instructions pertaining to the making of the ark of the covenant and the curtains of the Tabernacle. In light of the prohibition against the making of graven images it is something of a surprise to read that God instructed Moses to make two golden cherubim and to place these above the cover of the ark of the covenant (Exodus 25:17-22). God also instructed Moses to work the image of the cherubim into the outer curtains of the Tabernacle structure and into the curtain that separated the Holy Place from the Most Holy Place (Exodus 26:1, 31-33). Thus, the priests that served in the Tabernacle saw images of the cherubim all around them - on the outer curtains surrounding the Tabernacle as well as on the inner curtain that shielded the Most Holy Place
Nicea II was brought forth by wicked mad women and her lackeys who gouged her son’s eyes out and killed him. The Septuagint is not friendly to the icondule position. It’s a dangerous practice and unbiblical. It’s just a piece of wood with paint on it, and then you end up kissing, kneeling, praying to it, and lightening incense before it. Totally unknown to the apostles.
United methodists are so progressive and liberal that they don’t even believe the bible. If a pastor ever even appeals to the bible they probably give an hour long youtube apology video for rest of the contents of the bible in the middle of the sermon. That seems to be the joke
Watch Jay Dyer, he was a baptist himself. Basically, how can someone rely on a book alone without having aauthority that has a long tradition and this very authority put the contents of the very book someone tries to interpret himself together. Like thinking the ancient philosophers like Aristotele believed in Christ, since they use the word logos. But they didn't refer to him. If you didn't know that they were born before Christ, you don't have the proper context and understanding of what they ment.
Catholic answers when Francis' new heresy drops had me rolling haha
When you know that St.Augustine was Filioquist And St. Irenaeus and St. Cyprian were Pro-papist
when you know that Filioque was The Development of the Nicene Creed Innovated by Augustine
you know when the Western Latins inserted the Filioque the East did not react until Photius I Criticize It for having Controversy with Rome Calling
the Photian Council to anathematize the Bishop of Rome It was the Initial Schism of West And East that Lasted for Years and Later Settled by Pope John
Many of the Letters from the Early church fathers that Signifies the Hypostatic-Economic Procession of the Holy Spirit to Father and Son
And in July 16 1054 A.D Emperor Cerularius Was Excomunicated by the Papal Legates of Rome Humbert of Silva Candida witH the Permission of Pope Leo IX
also Show me one document from tradition or Ecumenical council where the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church identified itself as the Orthodox Church
Man I love this channel. We finally got some Protestant representation apologetics with some good humor.
All of these arguments were fucking stupid
@@ZaShiesty COOOOOPPPPEEEEEEEE
@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty cope that the arguments were the equivalent of a five year old Protestant’s view of Catholics lmao. None of the information is correct,
Even tho I disagree with you on alot the meme quality is top teir.
Epic memery
Bro your memes are too good
Heresy slander 3 when
I didn't understand the trail of blood part... but as a baptist I'm still OfFeNdEd
(Edit) please explain
Basically an infamous book by a Baptist minister attempting to string together a succession of various sects ultimately originating with the Apostles that were oppressed throughout church history for holding aspects of Baptist theology
@@TheOtherPaul Well of course I know what the Trail of Blood is... it's the meme that I didn't understand
@@schellycraft4290 In case you're still wondering, what I think the joke is, is that in the trail of blood theory proto-baptist groups kept getting silenced and oppressed by the other churches that ruled society, and in the video Homer Simpson is getting kidnapped by government agents, a modern form of oppression. Basically Homer is one of those proto-baptist groups. May be wrong but that's what I got from it.
Is it bad I want to join the Ortho Bro server just to see?
This video is acceptable
So true, king
What's the Heresy in 1 Clement 32:4 It's quoting Paul writings
The Interpretation could be a herasy, which depends on your paradigm.
At least you didn't call us Copts Monophysites!
very true!
If I may ask, as a former Calvinist... If everything comes from the decree of God including evil how is God not the author of evil? Btw huge fan of the channel.
Thanks for being a fan king :D
The simplest answer I believe is that every system which is not open theist affirms that God is the "author of sin" in some way, since there are many ways by which to define "author" and as a result much confusion arises. This also I believe makes anti-monergist arguments that God is the "author of sin" in monergism a pure bullseye fallacy and goal-post shift, because they will (if they aren't open theist) affirm that God is the "author of sin" in the sense that he foresaw it would happen and allowed it to be for the sake of his plan. Why can't one refer to God being the author of sin here and call this unacceptable? I haven't seen any principled reason for excusing this whilst opposing the monergist system on that argument.
I highly recommend this article from Triablogue which gives a taste on the major semantic issues underlying this argument: triablogue.blogspot.com/2005/04/is-god-author-of-sin-1.html
@@TheOtherPaul what about the fact that since you don't believe in free will that God essentially condemns people to hell for sins he forced them to make
@@Numenorean921who says he forces them? No one. Anyone who isn’t open theist believes the same thing. If you believe in free will, and believe God is omniscient, and therefore God created people with free will already knowing they will freely choose to reject Him, then when that person is created, that person isn’t really free. Besides, no one is more free than God. So yes that person freely rejected God, when he could have accepted Him, but God already knew said person would reject Him before that person was even formed. No freedom there either.
@@KnightFel knowing the outcome doesn't influence the outcome. Just because God knows what people will decide doesn't mean they couldn't have chosen differently.
Is evil a force such as good?
Let's use the analogy of the sun and its heat. When the sun is in the universe there's heat (good), right? When the sun is absent (evil) it's cold? The cold has no energy (power), only the warmth has energy.
The cold (evil) only shows that there's no warmth (good).
So God's creation is good and when we obey Him we're doing something good.
BTW if our human nature is corrupted (after the fall) then Christ (the Son) assumed corrupted nature and was corrupt until He sacrificed Himself(defied human nature and opened the gates of Heaven for us) . That can't be true, so the human nature isn't corrupted, but the world tempts us. Just as matter isn't evil (Gnosticism). Hope, you see what I mean by all of that brother :)
What's 1 Clement?
Say, are you gonna make that video responding to That Theology Teacher?
What on again?
@@TheOtherPaul That Theology Teacher's argument's, advocating for homosexuality.
@@arielriquelme913 right. Might react to him in tomorrow's chill stream.
@@TheOtherPaul Thanks mate. Knew I could count on you.
Icons are not wrong and veneration or asking saints for prayers is not wrong.
A fellow Orthodox here.
Idols and their worship is wrong. An Icon is not an idol, since they don't have the power to do anything, they aren't even prayed to. We can only ask for their prayers and Icons help us ask them better by focusing our mind on the dead saint.
Septuagint prohibits “Proskynesis” to images.
@@YourBoyJohnny94 The word “face” is used in the Hebrew Old Testament to denote God’s personal presence. The Old Testament uses several words for face: panim, aph, ayin, anpin. Of these four words, panim is the most frequently used. The Greek New Testament uses prosopon “προσοπον” in most cases with the exception of one verse which uses opsis “οψις.” Although the focus of this paper is on how the biblical writers used the word “face” to denote the divine presence, this is not to deny other ways in which the word “face” has been used in the Bible. The word “face” has other usage such as the earth’s surface - “the face of the earth,” or direction - “set his face towards,” or opposition - “set his face against,” or as an expression of worship - “fell on his face.”
Also in the old testament
For the construction of the Tabernacle God gave Moses instructions pertaining to the making of the ark of the covenant and the curtains of the Tabernacle. In light of the prohibition against the making of graven images it is something of a surprise to read that God instructed Moses to make two golden cherubim and to place these above the cover of the ark of the covenant (Exodus 25:17-22). God also instructed Moses to work the image of the cherubim into the outer curtains of the Tabernacle structure and into the curtain that separated the Holy Place from the Most Holy Place (Exodus 26:1, 31-33). Thus, the priests that served in the Tabernacle saw images of the cherubim all around them - on the outer curtains surrounding the Tabernacle as well as on the inner curtain that shielded the Most Holy Place
Nicea II was brought forth by wicked mad women and her lackeys who gouged her son’s eyes out and killed him. The Septuagint is not friendly to the icondule position. It’s a dangerous practice and unbiblical. It’s just a piece of wood with paint on it, and then you end up kissing, kneeling, praying to it, and lightening incense before it. Totally unknown to the apostles.
1:00 what such proofs exactly? Just curious.
Please someone explain me the united Methodist one
United methodists are so progressive and liberal that they don’t even believe the bible. If a pastor ever even appeals to the bible they probably give an hour long youtube apology video for rest of the contents of the bible in the middle of the sermon. That seems to be the joke
What is wrong with Baptist theology?
Watch Jay Dyer, he was a baptist himself.
Basically, how can someone rely on a book alone without having aauthority that has a long tradition and this very authority put the contents of the very book someone tries to interpret himself together.
Like thinking the ancient philosophers like Aristotele believed in Christ, since they use the word logos. But they didn't refer to him. If you didn't know that they were born before Christ, you don't have the proper context and understanding of what they ment.
Pope francis has never dropped a heresy
😂😂😂 April fools was 3 months ago.
Then what did he just say?
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😂😂😂
Overload of cringe