How does weight affect range in an electric van? Testing the Renault Kangoo ZE33 electric van.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this video, I drive the Renault Kangoo ZE33 electric van empty and measure the economy. I then add some weight in the back and drive the same roads and distance to see how the driving economy and therefore range is affected by the additional weight. During the journey I try to give some tips on how to get the best out of these electric vans and how to drive them efficiently to achieve the maximum range.
I'm driving a 2020 Renault Kangoo ZE Maxi with a 33kWh battery pack.
Its a long video, so I've added chapters to enable you to jump the relevant sections if you wish.
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Timestamps/chapters
00:00 What is the van?
00:58 How test will be conducted
02:09 Van range
02:34 Stats before drive
04:27 Driving
05:45 Regen empty
09:44 The power meter
12:14 Road test road
14:20 Driving empty stats
17:34 Loading up
19:50 Driving loaded
25:38 Driving loaded stats
27:12 Conclusions
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This was well worth your trouble Matt, really helpful to see real world figures. If you feel like it sometime it would be interesting to see the difference putting ladders on top would make...or if you have a rough idea from experience it would be great if you could mention it in one of your vids.
Hope you've had a great Christmas, wishing you a happy and prosperous New Year. 👍🥳
thanks!
at the moment looking for such one crew van...
I've done quite a few videos on the crew vans, see www.youtube.com/@GoGreenAutos/search?query=kangoo%20crew
..might help you with your knowledge of these vans.
@@GoGreenAutos Marry Chrismas! Thanks again!
I did follow You, this suits me...
That was quiet impressive to take that much weight and not have very much loss in range for it. Yet 4.5 miles to a unit is quiet good verses some cars can not do that.
Was this the van you collected in the past video when you drove down to the coast and brought a van back It looks like it.
Well done, I’ve learned more from you’re videos than any other. My wife has an id3 ,and I’ve just inherited her 2018 Kia soul ev.we have had the Kia for 3 years absolutely brilliant car. But I’m retired and I want a ev van we have 3 dogs but no way am I letting them in the car, although that was the idea. We have solar panels and a Tesla powerwall and a zappi charger. So we drive for free a lot off the time or cheaply the rest. This van would suit me as we have never charged anywhere except home,so the rapid charge not being available wouldn’t bother me. This is the thing it will suit me but I’m not saying everyone should have one,you have got to do you’re own research to see if it suits you’re needs. No point buying it then moaning that it’s no good.👍🇬🇧
Well there's nearly 600 videos on the channel now. I keep making them, even though many videos hardly get any views! Glad you've found some useful.
As a long distance courier i do about 300-400 miles a day and often have to sleep in the van overnight (in winter means having the diesel heater going), so i need the range and more battery but great to see that the range isn't effected that much by the load. Once the range is improved, electric vans will defo be an option. But for the average van driver, this means its an easy switch. Great video.
DC rapid charge and install a cheap $150 Chinese diesel heater for the occasional overnight-er or are you looking for further excuses NOT TO EV??
@@matthewspry4217 your obviously not a long haul courier. Love the evsplaining though 🥴 and why would i want a diesel heater in an electric van? I might as well carry a diesel generator to charge it up as well 🤣
@@WhiteManInAVan I suggested it to quit ya whining but that didn't work 🙂 go watch Bjorn Norland camping overnight in a Tesla model 3 and see how little energy it really uses and that it's PERFECTLY POSSIBLE WITH AN EV 👍
@@matthewspry4217 i would suggest you learn more about how the logistics industry and economics works but that would be wasted on you. Also i really love that video by him where he transported a tonne of goods from Bournemouth to Manchester and back in a single day.. oh right, that doesn't exist 🤣🤣
@@WhiteManInAVan the logistics industry is highly sensitive to fuel price increases such a what we have just experienced with our petrol and diesel shortages and price hikes. Electric fuel can be fixed for 2 years if you wanted allowing you to accurately price deliveries for the long term.
Great to video this and put it out there, but I suspect the marketing budget of the petrol and diesel companies will drown this out, by more than 3dB!
Interesting result. I would have expected a much bigger difference between empty and loaded van. It will be interesting to follow your upcoming tests. Electrifying the transport sector is extremely important and has a major impact on our use of fossil fuels.
I've done the same test in a Toyota Proace Electric, see th-cam.com/video/Neu_el29nGk/w-d-xo.html, where the driving economy dropped from 3.7mpkWh to 3.4mpkWh when loaded....again, not the huge difference that is normally uttered!
Yes you did that and you also had some rain while driving too. Makes the result even better.
The main energy loss except when driving very slowly (less than about 20mph) is air drag, which is unaffected by extra load. Extra weight costs more energy to accelerate, but also gives back more in regenerative braking. The energy loss that is approximately proportional to weight is the rolling resistance of the tyres, but this is a quite small proportion of the total consumption except at very low speed.
Things being carried on the roof will probably have a worse effect on economy even if they are not very heavy, because of the high air drag they will cause.
Driving in Eco I think is a bit of story. Our Kona doesn't seem to make any difference at all. It dulls the accelerator response, limiting total power available and lessens climate availability. If we use it in normal and are light with the climate and pedal we get similar results. In the end it's how you drive and how much heat you demand.
Reference the van law. I also recall another rule, if the manufactured van is derived from a car then it follows the car speed limits being a VDC, "Van derived Car". So the car came first and a van created from that same design.
From what I can find the Berlingo, Partner, Caddy, Doblo, and a Kangoo may fall into that VDC category.
Ah, but the Kangoo, Berlingo and many others are first and primarily a van and then later did seated versions. So are these car derived? I would say no and the rule applies to vans like the Zoe, Corsa, Astra etc where they are cars that then they made a non-seated version to make a small van. i.e. a hatchback van.
Log book say if its a van etc & correct most small vans are simply vans regardless if there is a full seat version. Think bottom line there are very few vehicles left that can be classed as car derived vans. (In eyes of law GOV i dont think there is such thing as a van derived car. Just vans)
The guess-o-meter of your car is likely not linear. Meaning when you measure between 100 and 90 percent, you get a different (higher) range out of it than between 90 and 80 percent.
So odds are, the 4% is calculated even too hight. Might be even less difference actually.
This is not particularly surprising. When you accelerate 1t, you recoup (almost)1t. 2t gives you 2t in recoup back. This effect is linear.
-10db is half the noise, +10db is double the noise. :)
+3dB is double the sound energy, but the human ear perceives loudness rather than energy, so yes you need about -10dB to seem half as loud.
, can it charge on a 13a plug ? What other charge options does it have? What's it range with. Full battery , I'm thinking one of these or an env200 40kwh what you think? Poor mate having to wait 6 hours , thankyou for sharing your experience 4.7 miles per kwh is very good , would thought env would be about 3.5 or so?
Any EV can charge on a 13a plug, although not ideal for your permanent charging solution. See www.gogreenautos.co.uk/using-portable-chargers
For the Kangoo range, charging info have a look at this www.gogreenautos.co.uk/for-sale/renault/kangoo-ze33/mm69tyu
(one that sold a while ago)
ENV200 efficiency is about 0.5mpkwh lower than the Kangoo.
@@GoGreenAutos am I right in saying the kangoo maxi doesn't have ccs but it has 22kwh AC charging?
@@lookoutleo Correct, no CCS. AC only charging at 7.4kW charging on the 33kWh battery models and 3.6kW charging on the 22kWh battery models. See th-cam.com/video/h3bF5ifbszg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=N3urSwpor6Xcf6-u for a complete guide.
@@GoGreenAutos oh , no 22kwh? Only on Zoe then? Looks like env is better. Have all the 2019 40 kW env have 6.6 and chademo? Thankyou for your great knowledge on these. I love driving electric , been a great 4 years
@@lookoutleo The ENV200 wins on charging, but nothing else in my opinion.
You can’t fast charge this?
The Kangoo does not have DC charging - only AC charging.
The things that still keep me away from electric vehicles are future access to charging points when number of EVs increase & future costs of electricity. I imagine that battery sizes will increase again before too long as they have already. (Seem to be 20+kh on older & newer up to 50kh)
The problem with your test is the absence of hill climbing. It is hills that would make gravity more significant. So failed test really. Didn't even really go fast enough for wind drag. Great to hear about your toilet habits and social life though. That's my life I'll never get back.
Clearly didn't watch the video then as I did hills, mix of roads and made it as realistic as possible. Its a van, so the max legal speed is 60mph too.
Doing a long motorway run is pointless as these vans are not used for that purpose. You'd want a larger battery van for that.
But anyway, thanks for watching and sorry you felt like you lost a bit of your life.
@@GoGreenAutosi did watch 70% of it. But gets borish. I didn't see any hills in that time. Maybe edited out. The stats I doubt imply hills.
Spoiler alert, 4.5 miles per Kw unloaded, 4.3 miles per kw loaded. 4.4% difference. This video could have been the ultimate SHORT. It is interesting, but just a little tedious. Why not make it the ultimate SHORT. Probably break some records. Great topic.
Why on earth would he, or us want that. I'm not with you on that one I'm afraid.
I didn't watch the video, just scrolled down to read your succinct comment, thank you and goodbye.
Where is your other hand? Your sick
FYI- I already have a BF