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- There’s no greater entrepreneurial headache than maintaining a fleet of vehicles. One of the pioneers that has proven to be both indestructible and highly cost-effective is the Kangoo ZE, introduced back in 2013. Its only drawback is the lack of fast charging. Owners never had to worry about employees or third-party drivers wrecking the crankshaft, breaking the flywheel, or damaging other components due to carelessness or neglect, as EVs simply don't have those parts.
However, a catastrophic mistake was made when Renault partnered with Nissan and adopted their poor-quality battery system components, particularly their cells. The battery has no thermal management system and uses cells with the worst chemistry, highly prone to degradation and swelling. A new battery costs around €12,500 with taxes for a 22kWh capacity, which is utterly unsustainable. Despite the ultra-reliable Q210 Continental powertrain, the battery has been Kangoo ZE's Achilles’ heel.
Entrepreneurs grappling with EU regulations and other imposed obligations often have no choice but to electrify their fleets (like GLS). Yet, what the EU offers is garbage by any measure of common sense or financial feasibility. The most logical choice, instead of Stellantis junkyards, VW ABT factory defects, the Mercedes eVito, and similar options, is to refurbish the Kangoo ZE or purchase a Chinese EV that doesn’t come with problems for which there are no parts, solutions, documentation, diagnostics, or similar challenges-unlike EU models. Given what the EU offers for entrepreneurial electrification, it’s often better to stick with a Euro 3 Diesel.
For this particular Kangoo ZE, the first failure occurred after 10 years and 115,000 km. That’s why we decided to offer entrepreneurs an alternative: by recycling new automotive modules (Samsung SDI, CATL, Panasonic) from other vehicles in a sustainable way, we developed a new battery system to save the Kangoo from the scrapyard.
We used 50Ah 4C 12S Samsung SDI modules, recycled the original wiring, and designed a new module layout and wiring system. We also successfully reset the BMS to clear the LBC battery system error and remove the vehicle from limp mode. What some refer to as "battery trash" or "who will recycle this" has been repurposed for automotive use as part of a second-life cycle.
At an external temperature of 5°C, the vehicle now achieves a range of about 94 km before complete shutdown (at 2.8V). While we haven’t tested it in warm weather yet, the range should reach approximately 120 km under optimal conditions.
Alert :
Partnumber: 293A0HB86B, 295105251R,
OEM: 10000 EUR (ex Tax)
EVC: 5000EUR (ex Tax)
Reduced weight 105KG - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Great work guys, we need to make sure that vehicles stay on the road for as long as possible to avoid unnecessary waste.
So nice to see that there is a lot of EV repair/upgrade knowhow in so many cool shops around the world! Great job, all the best to you guys!
During a few months they allowed putting 41kWh packs on 22kWh Zoe. Same enclosure, just a reprogramming and a change in the registration. Then they banned it. No explanation.
Well done giving that Kangoo another life !
It is crazy. It should not be banned at all but at the contrary should be mandatory
@@Raoul_Volfoni c'est parce qu'ils connaissent pas Raoul 😉
5:42 The laser gun is back!😁✌️ Great project! You are EV kings! 👌💪
Awesome, good job, very stupid that the government isn't allowing more modification and repair to old battery cars, absolutely ridiculous
People who don't know make stupid decisions.
In germany, some local government decided to prohibit ev's in parking garages.
They told it's fire protection. But to me, it seems to be EV hater with decision rights
Playing around with batteries is short cut with fire risc and dangerous voltage > 50v as well. So it should be allowed to trained people, but not prohibited at all.
the problem isnt allowing repairs but its actually making sure that those modifications are done properly and batteries can be very dangerous you know that well! the nissan leaf like this Renault was not designed with proper cooling/heating so replacing the battery cells with different ones without adding any AC system is actually dangerous tbh!
@@StarkStromer concerning battery fires the problem is putting them out is a totally different level compared to an ICE, they dont make laws just like that!
@@StarkStromer i would have liked to see some proper battery temperature managment here like a liquid cooled ones in modern evs.
@alanmay7929 the BMS contolls the temperature, it's just throttling down 😀
You can put pletier elemnts in for cooling 😎
You are ev heros
Impressive , this is the best way to keep most BEVs running.
Cool, I also drive Kangoo 5 seat Maxi ZE
@evclinic can you set new battery capacity? On the bms of the Kangoo Batterie?
i saw a video of a guy who rebuilt the battery pack of a renault twizzy with different battery cells too, there is even a tesla models in russia with 125kwh custom made battery.
❤❤ Vanja imali sta na Hrvatskom jeziku ❤❤
Great job 🎉🎉🙌👍🙂🍀🙏
What tool do you use to read and program the BMS?
You're the master of sustainability👍
Could you upgrade a Smart EV with a larger battery?
Like the byd blade cells?
Wow! I really like the stuff you guys are working on!
What will be the costs for a big pack (36kwh) aproximately? Thank You!
Great video ,,, what kind of filament did you use for the wiring and BMS brackets ?
We need right to repair in EU like US.
How mich for the refactoring?
Kako funkcioniše hlađenje baterije i kakvu garanciju dajete na svoj rad?
Some guys from Ukraine made 65kWh Zoe from 22kWh. Modified case.
Good to know
Pa znači on prazan pređe 95km sa novom baterijom? To mi deluje baš malo... Svaka čast momci, fenomenalan sadržaj!
@@CikaGrma Sa hladnom baterijom i na hladnim uvjetima.
Hello, for the Kangoo Maxi, can you replace the battery at 40 kw and how much does it cost?
Apparently you can simply replace the Prismatics Cells in the battery pack too with higher capacity ones, and that works just fine: th-cam.com/video/EYAtqvvDZCc/w-d-xo.html
Is there another way to reset the BMS to clear the LBC battery system error? As I could understand, one of the ways to do this is by physically reading the EPROM then backup and find the alert flag.
1- Is there a way to reset the BMS without physically accessing the EPROM and without needing an EPROM reader?
2- If a diagnostic scanner is needed, then which one is suitable for Renault Kango and fluence ZE? do we deal with fluence ZE the same way?
3- If we reset the BMS to clear the LBC battery system error without flashing the BMS to adapt to the new battery; will this be enough? Or should we change the program inside the BMS?
4- The BMS calculates the new state of the battery. Why do we need to change the BMS memory with a reader? Is it enough to just allow the BMS calculate the new capacity?
@@falahdemery8258 no
Quelle super idée! Bon, 100km c'est encore un peu limite, le top serait d'en avoir un peu plus que ça, 41kWh ça serait génial, si vous faites ça je viens vous voir avec un kangoo mort!
Maybe a good idea to import old EVs from France and upgrade them? I don't know what paperwork is needed here in Sweden, but I think upgrading a battery should be legal here since other modifications can be done.
i really idmire what you were able to achieve there! but i have one question! the battery cells of the nissan leaf degraded quickly because they were not managed properly there was no dedicated cooling/heating system to keep them at the optimal temoperature all the time. did you add anything to compensate that?
The lack of cooling just matters when rapid charging which I'm not sure the Kangoo supports. But the chemistry of the battery is not very good, they degrade heavily even if not used.
The cooling isn't necessarily necessary if you use chemistries that are better with higher temperature dis/charging. Also lower internal resistance leads to lower temperatures.
@@EngineersFear the battery packs/cells were designed with cooling in mind for even charging in very hot conditions which the Renault doesnt have! maybe by addind a better fan or something will prevent any incidents later!
@@EngineersFear if the battery pack was just 48v or 72v like on solar systems it would have been much better for modifications of all kinds.
I am confused (besides engineering/design challenge) why to go trough the trouble of gutting the Kango ZE Traction Battery pack completely, when replacing the Prismatic Cells seems to work just fine. Has been done by @barrocasengenhocas here th-cam.com/video/EYAtqvvDZCc/w-d-xo.html
Aren't these prismatic cells some standardised form factor and one can also acquire quality ones too?
I would like to see that bit of regulation from France. In general all components in vehicle use should be type approved, so if you recycle components from other cars, in other EU countries it should not be an issue.
@@rkan2 Then solve the DPF EGR ADDblue and other illegal tampering
Nice way to bring new life into almost worthless car 👍
12:45 Do you have a reference to the french government (parliamen?) not allowing battery repairs? Never heard of any law about that.
@@Stefan_Dahn Research little bit. They do not allow any change on vehicle what was previously homologated. But Diesel DPF Off tampering and EGR tampering and tuning tampering is allowed
France is one of the most restrictive country about cars modifications. Retrofit has been allowed in 2020 but very limited, so few shops and costly. Don't have sources, just recommending Marc Areny from EVShop, the entrepreneur who decided to start retrofit in Roumania because it was not possible in France in the 2010s.
@@evclinic I live in France, it is right. No modification are allowed.
Also EGR tampering and tuning is illegal but it is not well controlled. We have every two years a check up but it is not enough for some intern modification
@@evclinic lol!!!! DPF or EGR modifications are very safe and totally easy kinds of things to do compare to building an entire custom battery pack which is high voltage by the way! totally diffferent things.
@ Absolutely not true, and tampering is fully illegal in every countey
May be the France government want's to Protect its citizens from the risk of fires. You can do a lot wrong with Li Batteries if someone is does not know what he are doing. I agree to France that there is a need of check to this repairs …… like a simplified new street Approve …… for example are the new fixation able to protect the cell from shotrcut in case of accidents. In every case this must be possible independent from the original Manufacturer.
@@q9a Then BMW diesel N47 and G motor series should be banned immediately. Because they catch fire so frequent.
Il principio è corretto, quanto hai scritto in merito ai colpi d'arma da fuoco è decisamente fuori contesto. Che il governo francese si interessi di proteggere i cittadini dagli incendi poi è indefinibile. Piuttosto rimane un "discreto margine" d'azione in mano ai produttori che realizzano prodotti discutibili da un punto di vista dell'utente, tanto per le ICE che per le ZE.
@evclinic can you set new battery capacity? On the bms of the Kangoo Batterie?