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Please read your comments, i like to make inputs on my thoughts on the video…
For example, i wrote a comment about empathy fatigue.
This student needs to read the science fiction book; "The Macroscope" by Piers Anthony where humanity learns that every planet with humans on it eats everything until nothing is left but humans.
Are u ganna signe ur book in the US?
It was great meeting you today in Sacramento! I will never forget that experience. Looking forward to you moving to the U.S. 😃
-Jordan
Ed goes to America! Woot!
This guy spent 30 minutes telling Ed that he doesn’t care about anyone or anything other than himself.
Crazy right! I always find that correlative for people who are unreasonably cynical about other humans. What I think these people are doing is projecting their own emotions onto their world and assuming everyone else thinks and feels like they do.
If someone says that “people are inherently evil and selfish” that’s a pretty clear indicator for me to stay away.
This also explains why those that actively focus on love and kindness in this world are more easily able to find it, feel it and with it, their interpretation of the world changes. I’ve been on both sides and that has at least been my truth.
You can tell by his face straight away
Yeah he's genuinely a POS. I'm not even a vegan. I love meat. I can't believe his morals. Disgusting human.
@@brandonkrebbs Looking back to when I was a meat eater, I would totally call my past self a POS even I never articulated my morals (or lack thereof) for eating meat.
I'm curious, Brandon, do you consider yourself a POS?
The hair flips give that away. Pretty rich boy ready to "exploit"!!!!
Already has years and generations of exploitation under his belt.
Lol this guy basically just accidentally tried to justify every atrocity in history.
Kinda.
It also felt like both are talking past each other
Apathy is like that indeed.
@@Tom-sx4tw Because they are both coming from a completely different idea of what morality is. And Ed couldn't get it so kept going in circles.
Saying that it's was considered morally okay by the people doing it is not really justifying it. He was trying to explain his view of what morality actually is. Which indeed is very subjective.
@G G No. He said that the morality of groups is survival of the fittest. Whoever has the power can impose their own morality.
“Morality is in the hands of the beholder” said every serial killer ever
You know who else says it? Anyone with exposure to other cultures, anyone who understands the psychological effects of one’s culture, and anyone who lives in reality. Morality is subjective, whether you like it or not.
@@maxwellmaxwell3042morality is subjective, but most of us don't use that as an excuse to explioit and harm others. This guy seems to. I think that's why he came off so weird.
@@maxwellmaxwell3042and more fool you if you listen to a person like this who can't actually defend his takes with anything other than "idc, i get mine", i guess
Morality is subjective. But there are universal objective facts about the world like suffering that affect the morality of all cultures I am aware of. We also recognise the practical need for empathy for the purpose of social cohesion and general well being. Another objective property of human psychology
“It’s my tendency to reproduce”
PLEASE DON’T
Super creepy as well.
😅🤣
This made me choke on my tea omg. Your comment is everything 🤣🤣
I think he is just saying things just to be right.
He can't. He has no balls.
This guy is either lying for the sake of winning the argument or he scores super high on a test for psychopathy.
I agree,
he comes across as someone with ADHD or autism, look at the way he avoids eye contact at all times while still maintaining his position about his beliefs, a psychotic person would've lost their shit ages ago.
Or sociopathy
Sounds like you can’t handle the logical consistency😉.
@@Thanosdidtherighthing you’re joking??
Serial killer: *kills people*
This guy: "it's ok as long as you believe it's right"
i bet society is more easily set on the path to human genocides after being indoctrinated to devalue animals
exactly, and that's where Ed really started to break down this guy's moral-relativist bullshit. i was waiting for The Veil of Ignorance to get a mention, i doubt this guy would be able to wrap his head around it - he clearly has an issue with empathy.
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No he would say: "it's ok as long as those in power say it's ok"
Spot on!
Ed: "It was a great conversation."
Morgan Freeman: "It was not a great conversation."
Underrated comment 😂
Well yea when Ed meats someone that is right he runs circles lol
@@rohanking12ableFeel free to elaborate. Or just dig a hole and hide.
This is the creepiest interview I've seen on this channel. Veganism aside, his view of morality is chilling.
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Creepiest? You mean fucking stupidest, this moron didn't once stop to think to himself why murder in our society is wrong. The negative effects that come with it. He just kept talking about morality like it was something arbitrary. Society itself sees things as immoral considering the negative effects certain actions have towards the society.
@@piggy11599 but what if I want to murder someone cause I feel like it?!? HUH HUH it’s MY MORALS 🤓🤓
@@choblgobblrr1074 🤣🤣
His view on morality, in a nutshell, is “might makes right”. Same as the Nazis
People be like :
- Would you let me kill a dog for fun?
- Hell no, what kind of person are you?
- I'm vegan
- OMG you can kill that dog, I don't care!
This is so accurate, lmao.
Every non-vegan ever 😂
Stealing this dialogue.
#Quality
Intellectual dishonesty....see it everywhere
@@Laska_Family_Adventure,
Indeed. Here's one of my favourite copypastas:
“If the facts are not on your side, or your argument is flawed, any attempt to save face is to lose it twice over.”
“Wherever we look, we find otherwise sane men and women making extraordinary efforts to avoid changing their minds.
Of course, many people are reluctant to be seen changing their minds, even though they might be willing to change them in private, seemingly on their own terms-perhaps while reading a book. This fear of losing face is a sign of fundamental confusion. Here it is useful to take the audience’s perspective: Tenaciously clinging to your beliefs past the point where their falsity has been clearly demonstrated does not make you look good. We have all witnessed men and women of great reputation embarrass themselves in this way. I know at least one eminent scholar who wouldn’t admit to any trouble on his side of a debate stage were he to be suddenly engulfed in flames.
If the facts are not on your side, or your argument is flawed, any attempt to save face is to lose it twice over. And yet many of us find this lesson hard to learn. To the extent that we can learn it, we acquire a superpower of sorts. In fact, a person who surrenders immediately when shown to be in error will appear not to have lost the argument at all. Rather, he will merely afford others the pleasure of having educated him.
Intellectual honesty allows us to stand outside ourselves and to think in ways that others can (and should) find compelling. It rests on the understanding that wanting something to be true isn’t a reason to believe that it is true-rather, it is further cause to worry that we might be out of touch with reality in the first place. In this sense, intellectual honesty makes real knowledge possible.
Our scientific, cultural, and moral progress is almost entirely the product of successful acts of persuasion. Therefore, an inability (or refusal) to reason honestly is a social problem. Indeed, to defy the logical expectations of others-to disregard the very standards of reasonableness that you demand of them -is a form of hostility. And when the stakes are high, it becomes an invitation to violence.
In fact, we live in a perpetual choice between conversation and violence. Consequently, few things are more important than a willingness to follow evidence and argument wherever they lead. The ability to change our minds, even on important points-especially on important points-is the only basis for hope that the human causes of human misery can be finally overcome.” - Sam Harris, _Intellectual Honesty_
Student- “But why are you looking at it from their experience?”
Ed- “it’s their world as well”
Ed is the Best. 🤍🌱
Yeah, we ultimately always look at things from our own experience. From Ed's perspective, he dislikes what happens to the animals. From the perspective of the guy being interviewed, he doesn't care. Hope that helps!
It's truly saddening that people can't recognise the experience of the victim.
He was so bewildered as to why anyone would take the time to consider the horrific action from the victim's point of view/experience. This was truly unsettling.
It's called empathy, biatch
Taking a personal note to never approach this person for any reason. I truly felt sick to my stomach. This is beyond carnist logic, it is the ultimate red flag
Based on your morality. Literally something you can't even fathom because your brain refuses
@@rohanking12able And your stupid answer is based on your morality...
Gang rape is okay because the majority of people in the room decided it was morally acceptable... The guy thinks society is a separate entity from him... that was chilling. Ed, my respect for talking that long with him.
Never said that. Are all vegans this dishonest. He literally only said there's letting thing slide, not caring, and caring. That's all morality is. Some don't care at all usually a cognitive thing. While most it's a mix. Like vegans literally don't care about plants but it's ok because eating meat is bad because they are similar enough to us.(If you say all animals you are not being objective at all on the "suffering". Also fungus is closer to animal kingdom than they are plant. Do you care im guessing not
@@rohanking12ableVegans do care about plants. What do you think the farmed animals eat? The amount of plants produced to feed the cattle is much greater than those to feed humans. So by eating meat and dairy you actually harm both animals and plants.
Ed’s first debate in 2 years and straight away he meets a full blown psychopath.
Seriously!
i can hardly watch these videos, i don’t know how ed does it
same attracts same.
@@CourageToB are you the guy in the video or what
@@rileymahoney1514 there was some kind of brown, sausage like looking thing on the floor in the video - is that you?
This guy is nowhere near as intelligent as he thinks he is
It's so painful to watch. How can Ed be so patient with these wannabe philosophers.
this guy sounds so arrogant haha
I luv your name Cheezus
he definitely thinks he’s above everyone 😭
@@fishfeelpain7764 tbf I feel like the other guy was being patient with Ed in this one. Rs kept jumping in without really listening. I only eat plant based btw.
This person is a perfect example of why we should all go through a similar thought experiment with people we are considering dating. 😳😬
what has this to do with dating?
@@pirds102010 because this guy will end up killing his future partner
@@pavankat if it will be an animal yes :D
@@pirds102010 .... wait what?
@@pirds102010 huh? lol. if he's having sex with animals that's another red flag bro.
Ed, how do you keep it together. This was EXHAUSTING.
It’s difficult for liberals to entertain differing perspectives. You guys are closed minded.
@@llamatreee This isn't merely a different perspective, it's a dangerous, illogical perspective that doesn't deserve entertaining. Also, not all vegans are liberals. Veganism isn't political, it's ethical.
@@nanashidanny I’m not referring to this specific interaction, but the posters reaction to being met with a differing point of view. How is this guys perspective dangerous? He’s just stating facts. Just because you want to save all the chickens, doesn’t mean everyone else has to.
It’s been a while since I watched the vid.
exaxtly. And people who say "we are superior", "humans are intelligent that's why we can do what we want", and not realizing that power and knowledge means protecting the innocent and defenseless, and being a positive guide for the world and all its species, than they're just clearly insecure, and DEFINITELY NOT learned, intelligent, and ESPECIALLY NOT superior to ANYONE OR ANYTHING. They just stand their claiming "human superiority" because they were born human and think claiming "humans are superior or intelligent or both" AUTOMATICALLY puts them in the intelligent or "superior" club, clearly because they know deep down that they lack both and that's why they're trying to push the lie that they really are "superior" or "intelligent" in real life when they're not, and they're basically just asking for a pass to behave cruelly and act out on their violent emotions, and they want positive attention and a positive response for being so "superior" or "intelligent" when they're clearly not. It's usually Males who say or use these excuses. It's funny how these guys trying to desperately act how society says a "masculine alpha male" should be, are deep down so insecure in themselves and have to constantly state and remind everyone how "superior" or "intelligent" they are as the excuse of why they should be allowed to cause harm and fee better about themselves for being the species that CAUSES HARM but isn't the species that HARM IS BEING CAUSED TO. It makes them feel special as if they won some bs "lottery" and thus think they can act however they want. It's no different than poor stupid people who are not just poor financially but poor in heart and mind who suddenly win the lottery and now think they're gods who can treat everyone like trash, constantly brag and show off, use women by lying to them or forcing sex on them, etc. That's how these animal abusing wannabe douchebag "superior" "intelligent" males are
@@nanashidanny exaxtly. And people who say "we are superior", "humans are intelligent that's why we can do what we want", and not realizing that power and knowledge means protecting the innocent and defenseless, and being a positive guide for the world and all its species, than they're just clearly insecure, and DEFINITELY NOT learned, intelligent, and ESPECIALLY NOT superior to ANYONE OR ANYTHING. They just stand their claiming "human superiority" because they were born human and think claiming "humans are superior or intelligent or both" AUTOMATICALLY puts them in the intelligent or "superior" club, clearly because they know deep down that they lack both and that's why they're trying to push the lie that they really are "superior" or "intelligent" in real life when they're not, and they're basically just asking for a pass to behave cruelly and act out on their violent emotions, and they want positive attention and a positive response for being so "superior" or "intelligent" when they're clearly not. It's usually Males who say or use these excuses. It's funny how these guys trying to desperately act how society says a "masculine alpha male" should be, are deep down so insecure in themselves and have to constantly state and remind everyone how "superior" or "intelligent" they are as the excuse of why they should be allowed to cause harm and fee better about themselves for being the species that CAUSES HARM but isn't the species that HARM IS BEING CAUSED TO. It makes them feel special as if they won some bs "lottery" and thus think they can act however they want. It's no different than poor stupid people who are not just poor financially but poor in heart and mind who suddenly win the lottery and now think they're gods who can treat everyone like trash, constantly brag and show off, use women by lying to them or forcing sex on them, etc. That's how these animal abusing wannabe douchebag "superior" "intelligent" males are
I grew up in a family of butchers and I've been vegan since I was a kid. It's your moral obligation to outgrow your traditions just as obligations involving human rights.
more meat for the rest of us. thanxs a lot :)
Wow, nice!
Did you get a lot of remarks from your family about being vegan?
The cognitive dissonance with vegans is quite amazing.
I used to work a 20 acre produce farm. 20 acres is quite small and can only produce enough to feed a couple vegans their entire diet.
The hard truth is....on just that small farm...15-20 deer would be killed, every year...dozens of raccoons, opossums, woodchucks, skunks, rabbits, squirrels, chipmunks, mice, rats, various birds, etc. would also be killed. Fortunately, most of the deer were taken home and used to feed families...the rest just went to waste.
For the amount of food grown, to feed one single vegan their entire diet...there would be anywhere from 30-50 wild/FREE animals killed...every single year!
Being vegan isn't so vegan after-all.
Now, what are you going to do with those "moral obligations"?
@@fermiticus4034 Nonsense and completely fabricated/exaggerated appeal to authority fallacy. 1.5 acres of land produces 37000lbs of plant based food or 375lb of meat.
To feed animals to the age of slaughter, it requires many times more plants to be harvested than if we just ate plants ourselves. You might argue that we could instead just eat exclusively grass-fed animals who do not require grain, but this is entirely impractical. Firstly, most "grass-fed" animals are not fed 100% grass anyway, and secondly, it's not sustainable at all to try to feed 7 billion people exclusively on grass-fed beef. There isn't the space available for such a thing, and good luck living exclusively off beef and nothing else.
Whilst there will be casualties in crop harvesting, and whilst vegans would prefer it not the be the case - it is the least harmful thing most people can do. Obviously, it would be even less harmful to grow your own crops on your own property and pick them by hand, without spraying, and without using machinery which can run down animals. But most people don't have the space available to do that to feed themselves at all, let alone all year round every year. So out of all practical options available, it is least harmful - and hopefully in future, as people start to have more respect for animals and more accountability for how we treat them, more advances will be made in crop harvesting in ways that minimize casualties.
There are billions of animals killed every year for slaughter and no way that many deer were killed that you claim.
I call this maneuver, “tactical nihilism,” where you justify all type of horrors when talking to vegans.
That's a good modification; thanks!
That's an excellent description, thanks for sharing. Wish it wasn't needed....
Very accurate and appropriate coinage
That’s because it’s the easiest position for a meat eater to justify their actions
Yeah but based on my morality 😂
dude just said slavery was morally ok at the time to justify eating meat
He was saying it was consider ok at that moment by those who lived on those time, now abortion is at the present consider ok before it wasn't but maybe in the future it will change again and be considered inmoral to abort
You show a serious lack of comprehension.
the problem is, he never talks about his views, he saiys "others see it in their view, so it is okay"@@Wandering_Trainer
We're slaves to Satan
His facial expression when you talked about other people/animals suffering tells me he doesn't feel a freaking thing.
this is what happens when a sociopath takes a philosophy course.
Lmao
I think youre mistaking psychopath for sociopath
@@linkhankinss why do you think that?
@@adamwood87 sociopaths are typically more actively violent and aggressive as well as possibly feeling some empathy whereas psychopaths usually have a total lack of guilt remorse and empathy as well as not having true attachments
@@linkhankinss the books i've read, pertaining to each, define them along lines of one being rooted in nature, the other nurture. other sources i've seen use the terms interchangeably. the type i am describing is someone who lacks empathy and remorse.
"But, why are you looking at it from their perspective?" ... Empathy. The critical ingredient to moral progress.
No such thing in the Middle East.
It's also the exact point where a lot of these debates come to a standstill. If you've given someone all the information and they still don't care bc of their fundamental lack of empathy, there's not much further you can go in terms of trying to convince them
Funny how people think people care about animals, when they don't even care about humans either. I'm also vegan because i feel empathy for animals, on the other side i kind of feel ashamed because i don't really put efforts into other global calamities such as hunger, wars etc.
My problem with most of the vegans is their one-sided view, they don't get that being morally progressive needs to be an economic incentive, rather then some guy discussing random college students in a park. People will always be defensive, as they feel attacked, wheter its offensive or not. That's not how transformation of society works unfortunatly, otherwise there wouldn't be racism, envy and and and it the world.
@Helios Financial incentives come from people buying vegan food, people don't buy vegan food unless they become vegan, people don't become vegan unless they reflect on their actions, for which they must be offered an alternative point of view. Racism isn't an industry (anymore), unlike meat and dairy, it is solely a social problem. These conversations offer non-vegans the opportunity to observe somebody else proposing the same arguments that they hold. In my opinion these debates are aimed more towards the viewer than trying to convince the opponent in the video. Instead of feeling cornered amidst the heat of a debate, defending their personal opinions, the viewer can, while relaxed, dispassionate furthermore without a crowd, openly see someone else displaying unconscious hypocritical beliefs that they hold, maybe even just receiving answers to questions that they may not feel comfortable asking someone who is vegan.
additionally, they provide vegans with coherent, succinct rebuttals to common counterarguments, which may sometimes be hard to intelligibly convey during a fast paced debate situation
"They're exploiting things I'm taking advantage of" 😂😂 I don't know how Ed didn't burst out laughing at this
Right?!?! I nearly dropped my razor when he said that
Is he wronf
He really struggles with developing individual agency. He's very group-oriented. He gives a disclaimer every time he is asked for his individual morality. "But that's my own personal morality."
he believes in that "nO-god" nonsense
and has zero grasp of inherent morality
Relativism gone crazy. He was plant based for a year, never vegan.
Moral relativism means you go vegan, otherwise your own morals conflict themselves. 17:50 you know this dude would stop someone if they were kicking a dog but he doesn't wanna say that otherwise he'd lose his hold on the argument.
No true Scotsman fallacy
@@Assassin99584 That isn't want that means. Veganism is considered by many to be a moral philosophy. Since he obviously didn't partake in it he was plant-based, not vegan.
@@adamthepanda00 so nobody is vegan then
@@Assassin99584 As I just said. It is a moral philosophy, not just a plant based diet. But the philosophy necessitates the diet. Ed is a vegan. The other guy was plant based.
This guy is so exhausting with his " *I* think it's okay"-philosophy. Probs to you Ed for staying calm
He’s literally a brick
Fee Muller the reason Ed is calm is because he ate meat lol
Mans a psychopath
20:30
Just take a listen
@@patrickbaklava7297 exactly! this moment made my jaw drop. he completely misunderstands how morality works. he thinks its like choosing your favorite color or something
Ed did a wrong turn in trying to understand and change this guys morality. His main argue point was that it increases our species longevity. I think Ed should have touched on how being vegan increases longevity, reduce climate change, reduces diseases being spread and how we can feed more people. He would have no choice to accept that, in his world, it is more optimal to be vegan.
That is a very good point - Would have been interesting to see how that would have played out.
I agree with you those would´ve been good reasons, but I think Ed wanted him to grow empathy which he didn´t
Good point, though the guy did say he was previously vegan, and that he didn't stick with it because he wasn't convinced of the ethics.
There was no morality for Ed to change. Ed was simply exposing the guy’s belief system for others to witness.
@@AV57 What did he expose ?
I became Vegan 6 yrs ago because of your work. Thank you Ed.
👏👏👏👏👏👏
Jesus, I got chills when he was talking about how he felt no empathy as he strangled the goat to death, even as they flailed in terror trying to escape, like he was proud that he felt nothing. The atmosphere completely changed. Totally psychopathic.
that’s what society brainwashes to erroneously think killing and cruelty is defining them as strong or manly. they deliberately indoctrinate children to remove their empathy and disconnect them from themselves and other life forms we share the planet with. hope this man and others can reconnect to their feelings again and work through their guilt or shame and stop the hurting of themselves and others. society is still really pathological.
@@DominionMovementDotOrg Speaking of chills....Too true
But his body language told a different story. He was haunted by that memory. His demeanor changed completely. I hope and believe that as he matures, he will be able to acknowledge his empathy and change his ways.
The guy is the definition of a psychopath.
@@janinewynne6454 Define "haunted by that memory" - you don't know much about psychopaths, do you.
Not calling this guy a sociopath, but his argument is quite LITERALLY what a sociopath would say to defend their view that if they're okay with it, it is socially accepted by all. I'm glad individuals are having the conversation to begin with , but this guy reminds me of myself when i watched Cowspiracy for the first time and paused it at every factoid so I could attempt to rebut it. I'll never understand this guy's idea of 'net loss vs. benefit' when it comes to murdering individuals.
You can call him a psychopath then.
It's okay to call him what he is. A spade is a spade.
Id like to recommend an anime called monster. It explains this issue better than i could with text but if you dont care for it lemme try my best. First he is a sociopath yes second i dont think net loss vs benefit is a wrong way to look at it. Answer this would you or would you net want a serial killer to die? Is that not the serial killers murder? But you would still opt for it because more people are going to be saved because of it thus arguing for murder and the reason being net profit. Veganism doesnt need people to be compassionate to follow it is what i think.
He'll wait for the society to change him. That's what I get from his arguements. He's like as long as there's no one holding me accountable I'll continue with my destructive habbits
@@justme92able Nah, I see him becoming a serial killer and strangling humans -- more of a challenge than goats.
I am truly terrified by his perspective on morality.
You know those who didnt say anything about slavery, human sacrifices or women being treated as cattle? This is the guy that didnt say anything during those time and thought it was ok.
Right? The part where he literally asked Ed "why would you consider it from the animal's point of view?" ...because he has empathy? God damn.
From the beginning of slavery, even in ancient times, there's records of individuals speaking against it.
I’m sure a lot of people think like him. I used to kill animals to eat. I don’t get sad if a plant dies, just like I wouldn’t get sad when an animal is killed. I now don’t eat meat, fish or dairy. Empathy can come with education.
Atheists point of view
This was for sure the most frustrating debate, Ed I don’t know how you stay so patient, so much respect
This dude is the literal definition of dodging the question.
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mental gymnastics
I was thinking the same. I called them slimy because they are very hard to catch
It’s not that they’re hard to catch it’s that they have their blinders on and refuse to take em off and they don’t want to take them off because they want to continue eating the same things
and sleeper psychopath
I am seriously terrified of this guy's lack of empathy. It is scary to imagine what he will justify just because it isn't happening to him.
I loved your final thoughts on this Ed. I think you actually got him thinking when you hoped that he does not encounter anyone that lacks empathy for him.
If he's like most people, he only becomes a heartless psycopath on the topic of veganism.
I don't think he flinched, bc he said "happens all the time", as if getting cold murdered is the same as passing a stranger on the street without a second though... Can't tell if he's using his brain to justify horrific acts, or if he's actually a sociopath...
@@mei.mei1 Yeah not really sure what he meant by that 'it happens everyday' seemed strange.
Apparently 1 in 30 people are sociopaths/ on the psychopathy spectrum and I don’t think it’s outrageous to assume he is one, he’s pretty much outed himself. It’s not really their fault- they’re neurodiverse and don’t have the same capacity to empathise, but these people should not be in positions to dictate any laws or parameters of morality. Unfortunately they frequently are because they get to positions of power often due to their very nature.
@@sarahaldridge7911 i think you mean neurodivergent, and that is a harmful stereotype. I and the other ND women I know are empathic to a debilitating degree. Lack of empathy is a spiritual problem IMO, not a biological one.
You nailed it Ed. Unfortunately this horrific self-interested attitude that he has is far too common in the world.
Ed: “You have no empathy for an animal because you don’t have a religious belief?”
Guy: “Yeah”
Whatttt lmao 😵💫
as a non-religion person that comment sent me. i love animals. (so much so that i surround myself with them- i have a dog, a cat, 2 goats and 4 parrots- the goats are not food they are friends btw
"iTs oUr gOaL tO iMpRoVe ThE lOnGeViTy oF OuR sPeCiEs" says the non-vegan...
Right? The whole time I was wondering why Ed didn't bring up the fact that (healthy) veganism increases longevity in humans.
Oh, like the fourteen words?
@@TumbleFourYa absolutely.. disease, viruses, antibiotic resistance etc is already doing a pretty good job of interrupting longevity and vegans are at lower risk, especially the healthier their diet is. However all species are at risk in relation to the climate crisis. I think this guy needs to understand those things.
@@BloodyRosie what you saying?
OH MY GOD MISTY HIIII
He talks about empathy as if he read about it in a book somewhere. He might actually just be a psychopath.
@@bluenorth3965 yes def
His eyes are void
Because empathy isn’t universal and we feel empathy for different things. I would feel empathy if my mom was getting attacked or a child on the street. I don’t care if someone steps on a cockroach or kills a pig.
@@Thanosdidtherighthing yeah, not everyone has the ability to feel empathy. The inability to feel it is a trademark signature of psychopathy. This guy only feels bad based on what society says he should feel bad about. Psychopaths mirror what they think they should show.
He is just a narcissist
"rats are exploiting us" ahaha I actually had to laugh out loud, this guy is ridiculous 😂 like god damn we understood that you're selfish and don't care about anyone else
They're exploiting from our food, that's what he meant
Like humans don’t spread disease. It’s only rats. Okay 😂😂😂
How does he stay so centered while that student says things that seem so cold and horrific?
humanity would’ve never progressed if people just accepted society’s “collective morality.”
Absolutely.
Word!
Agreed
There IS a moral code in the universe; suffering is universal. I don't think that the guy knows what morality is about but he keeps saying he has his own "morals". Well, that's NOT having morals, the guy has no morals and he is trying to paint having no morals as a type of morality, it's NOT. 💖 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
Exactly. This man’s viewpoint represents that of the least thinking, least contributing, lowest common denominator. Like a rock getting dragged by a boat that’s actually going somewhere.
He needs to check his moral compass. I was shocked when he asked Ed why he was looking at a problem from the victim’s perspective. Complete lack of empathy. Soul or no soul, pain and suffering are very real things and we should strive to reduce that.
He must have grown up in a really bad place. Middle East does that to people.
The cognitive dissonance with vegans is quite amazing.
I used to work a 20 acre produce farm. 20 acres is quite small and can only produce enough to feed a couple vegans their entire diet.
The hard truth is....on just that small farm...15-20 deer would be killed, every year...dozens of raccoons, opossums, woodchucks, skunks, rabbits, squirrels, chipmunks, mice, rats, various birds, etc. would also be killed. Fortunately, most of the deer were taken home and used to feed families...the rest just went to waste.
For the amount of food grown, to feed one single vegan their entire diet...there would be anywhere from 30-50 wild/FREE animals killed...every single year!
Being vegan isn't so vegan after-all.
@@fermiticus4034 still being vegan will reduce the amount of suffering than intensively farming billions of land and sea animals, not perfect but will greatly reduce animal suffering
@@fermiticus4034 this is not a good argument since all the animals you mentioned are also killed when plants are farmed that are meant to feed the animals. And in addition to that, the animal is killed. So in sum, there are still way more animals killed in a non-vegan diet. And this is just the moral aspect. Moreover, animal agriculture is one of the main drivers of climate change and the main reason for deforestation. Unlike you are assuming, veganism doesn´t mean causing no harm at all but reducing harm if possible. Good luck to you.
@@marcelfort2599 I eat every deer I have shot, protecting your food. Sleep well, knowing they didn't go to waste. You're welcome.
Listening to that guy I now understand why everything is going wrong in this world
You nailed it!
Exactly
Because of narcissists, yes
The amount of patience for everyone you talk to is just awesome
"I would stomp on a rat because they exploit things that I'm taking advantage of." ???
Yeah, wait till he eats somebody else's lunch! They might find it justified to stomp him because he exploited a thing that person wanted to take advantage of! 😆
A truly pathetic person who accepted his traumas and keep spreading them. Such people get high ranks in the industrial civilization because people with empathy can't abuse and murder nature for selfish, short-term monetary profits. We are in the midst of the 6th mass extinction because of selfish sociopaths like him. Check out: The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
Might makes right basically.
@@VeganSemihCyprus33 You’re not vegan if you’re ableist. Stop armchair diagnosing and turn ur ass around. I’m so tired of you plant based people ruining the movement
I live in Mexico. 3rd world country. Cats and dogs everywhere, but people leave them alone. They don't stomp them like rats.
I’m from Brazil. Nobody stomps on dogs like rats there either. What’s he talking about?
thanks for telling it like it is, not like this Excuse Machine
Mexico is not a third world country
Exactly! All an excuse for being a psychopath! What country is he from? Killing dogs like rats, I'd like to know!
Checking in from cambodia. Many strays, still no stomping
This is actually really hard to watch. Ed you have such an incredible amount of patience. I fear this is like banging your head against a brick wall though, unfortunately
Neh, it’s more like standing up for something believe in, almost like stopping a brick wall from falling with your head. There’s more of a reason to it
Ed lost this one
@@llamatreee He’s clearly intelligent and put it forward more eloquently, but the argument he is putting forward is far from intelligent, it’s just the same “might makes right”.
If he wasn’t being intellectually dishonest, then he’s a psychopath who can only understand empathy as an idea which he’s trying to rationalise post hoc.
He won’t be smiling for long if - as Ed said at the end - he meets someone who honestly feels that way.
@@jamesb9448 If I remember, the point he’s making is that morality is objective. Which is true. That doesn’t make him a psychopath.
@@llamatreee
He was either being dishonest about feeling no empathy - in which case he was being intellectually dishonest, or he was being honest and is - by definition - a psychopath.
Ps. I take it you meant to say subjective, as opposed to objective.
he dislikes cows and dogs equally. at least there’s consistency.
One point he's flawed on is his idea that exploitation is okay as long as it's helping the human species survive, because he thinks it's hardwired in us to do what's necessary to survive. We're literally doing the opposite of that by having industries like animal agriculture and anything else that is destroying the planet and destroying our health. Survival isn't what dictates our actions anymore, it's money.
Love this so much
Well said
best comment so far
Exactly
100%
36:39 "I didn't feel empathy for that animal. I could see that it was scared knowing that it was about to die. It was kicking and flailing. But I understood that this is what must be done so we can c o n s u m e"
That's terrifying.
Absolutely horrifying
And so unnecessary.
This dude is secretly a cannibal.
@@goji5887 not sure about the unnecessary part, it was done in the middle east, and probably had to be done to feed the people there, and I think you have this kind of dilemma of like, having to let the animal die or letting the people starve, so, I think it's a different scenario compared to where the interview took place, but still, you should've felt empathy when you see another being suffering
@@anantav51 i figured someone would say this, so let me clarify that i'm talking about the painful way that they killed the animal. That's what seems unnecessary to me
It must have been an incredibly exhausting and energy sucking exercise trying to convince a cold stoned person to feel compassion for animals.
And I must say, I love the way Ed wrapped it up around 38:18
" I obviously hope, sincerely hope, that you never come across someone who
lacks empathy for you because obviously at the end of the day, when we're talking about what happens to animals, our lack of empathy towards them doesn't negate the suffering that they are forced to endure as it wouldn't for you if you came across someone who lacked empathy for you"
Than he says: happens every single day. Its just how it is.
@@bluenorth3965 I don't agree with the guy's views on empathy at all. Certainly consider him cold. But don't you think there's a sad reality in what he said "Happens every single day".. Which is true to some extent 😅
@@tarunrajpurohit4472 And its wrong... Its an irrelevant point. Slaughtering animals happens every single day, which vegans are aware of, and yet it is wrong. Humans hurt other humans every single day, and it is wrong.
I have nO empathy for him though.
do you? I mean, does anybody? 🤷🏻♀
@@tarunrajpurohit4472 Well, that's a worrying statement in itself and very revealing about this person's life. I certainly don't experience anything like that, maybe because I treat people (and animals) with respect. Why would a young, good looking, intelligent guy such as this have that kind of experiences on a daily basis? Maybe it's because he projects his lack of empathy onto humans too.
"Everything is exploitation" such a cop out argument
I never fail to admire your patience, Ed.
Same here, but you can tell that he's gotten a headache 😂
thats just dumb. as if he had to "wait" til his ideology is accepted.
@@justme92able thats the lack of nutrients.
I was thinking the same! I’m a hypocrite coz I ate meat for 40 years, nearly 43 now so been vegan for nearly 3 years. It was such the norm I’m the 80s/ 90s etc to eat meat I didn’t really think anything of it but always played in the back of my head- but I love animals! So I went vegan and I feel so much better both in health and of course morally. I’ll never look back. I watched videos for info on being vegan and your videos Ed really helped me make my decision and I am eternally grateful! Thank you!
@Richard Hoffman weak vegans gonna cry
He didn’t say “It’s morally wrong to kill an animal, only if you don’t consume it”. You misunderstood him there, Ed. This psychopath literally said: “If you stamp on an animal and not consume it, it would be a waste of your energy” - I mean it’s that bad 😭! I live in the Netherlands but this guy is so creepy, I immediately locked my door LMAO
@G G Not that you need to believe in souls (in a religious/traditional sense) to believe in morality, but we can all hopefully all agree on the fact this guy has none of that 😂!
lmao big same
I'm gonna go lock my door now too. Serial killer vibes😥
This whole debate was so creepy! How does he think this stuff?
@@fulminisrecovery1264 he’s vile, and so many think like he does.
Take a shot every time this guy says “based on my own morality”
Wait for the alcohol poisoning
Morality is just a subjective view. As a society we collect those views and form laws. If he is not allowed to have his own morality and cant use the law to justify his actions what should he use?
You're a hypocrite. Mad that he's speaking his own mind about something. If he is not allowed to express himself and allowed to have his own opinion, then you should give up your freedom, as you're unworthy of it.
@@i.o4766 you understand that you are free to do what you want but there are always consequences to your actions right?
@@ItsOnlyFate777 That’s correct and as of right now, there are no consequences for slaughtering pigs as it should be.
@@Thanosdidtherighthing there are consequences to eating them though.. and slaughtering, I wouldn't say it goes without consequences, PTSD is common in slaughter houses..
“Would I stomp a rat? Yeah?” My god lmao
Like who the fuck says that? Only a wanna be tough guy (as he kept flipping his bangs of course lol). Complete psycho in the making. 🤮
What’s wrong with that?
Emotional you are.
It's funny the mental gymnastics that people go through to justify eating animals
& conditioning creates powerful delusion
Programming is strong...
Maybe we just don't wanna fuck around taking supplements and spending so much on very varied meals and just wanna eat some tortured flesh to get through the day
More than being something funny, it pisses me off and makes me sad at the same time.
There IS a moral code in the universe; suffering is universal. I don't think that the guy knows what morality is about but he keeps saying he has his own "morals". Well, that's NOT having morals, the guy has no morals and he is trying to paint having no morals as a type of morality, it's NOT. 💖 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
Dude, we get it. It's based on your personal morality. The whole point of the conversation is to point out the inconsistencies in your moral framework. But society tho. But collective mortality. But my upbringing/culture tho. But legality tho... smdh
Mental gymnastics gold medalist.
where is inconsistency? he doesn't try to justify his lack of empathy towards animals and he is a moral relativist. his case is waterproof.
100% nailed it. This doofis kept juking between societal norms, collective morality, generational norms, culture, upbringing. Which one is it? Which do you subscribe to? What's the hierarchy of these? They don't all morally align so he just kept pivoting to whichever one suited the moment. The only thing waterproof was his hair.
I wanna know why his pErSoNaL MoRaLiTy is so poor
@@joeg4589 None if those positions are ethically valid on their own either. One might align with another such as culture and collective morality, but an appeal to either doesn't define something as morally right, although it's true that he jumps from one to another when that is pointed out, and most of his positions don't have moral coherency with each other - he would probably learn about that if took an ethical philosophy class at the university he is attending.
@@cathyh1680 correct. None of his positions were ethically valid. It was just the constant pivoting every time Ed proved that which was making my brain melt.
Whoever is dating this guy WATCH OUT. He has no moral standards.
He does
@@johnfreeman9358 no
@@moredatesmorefiber3526 yes he does
@@johnfreeman9358 no
It’s terrifying that we live amongst people of this mindset. How lonely and fragile his state of being must be to have no empathy at all when having human consciousness.
After this debate i wouldn't be surprise if people avoid this guy.
People will definitely stay out of his [socio]path
yeah debating a vegan would be annoying as heck, i dont know why anyone would do it willingly.
@@cattygirl6663 its annoying because either you accept veganism is the better choice or sound like a sociopath
@@eejjoo4954 billions of people around the world eat meat, we only sound like sociopaths to vegans lol
@@cattygirl6663 "billions of people around the world use slaves, we slave owners only sound like sociopaths to abolitionists lol"
this was probably the most frustrating debate i’ve seen Ed do. hats off to you, Ed, how on earth do you handle yourself so well
He doesn’t handle his self. He just is himself. If you try to handle. This causes tension which is closer to fear. He breathes stays focused and doesn’t care of repercussions. Also he fully has no doubt that animals are suffering unnecessarily. His empathy level is higher than many. Which gives him the power to be knowledgeable passionate and focused
The other guy around 28:48 starts to get flustered. As soon as you see this. People are shaking in there skins. Ready to be reborn
@@josephmorgan5027 Man, I'll join whichever cult that you establish.
Frustrating because the man doesn't agree?
I sometimes wonder how you stop yourself from strangling these people!
You are frustrated because this guy is smart, Ed is a Charlaton and you are a sheepleton.
It annoyed me everytime he implied that we can't feel empathy/ give moral consideration to animals if we don't believe in a soul. It implies you can't be an atheist and a vegan which is just false.
Vegan atheists are the most impressionable attention seekers in the world lol
This guy is so calculated it's sad. Based on this arguments I assume he's studying something related to Economics.
Also, towards the 32min mark you can start noticing his non verbal language changing to a more nervous and twitchy state. I think the mental acrobatics were starting to take their toll on his energy.
He won though lol
"I went vegan for a year". Sure you did mate.
5 euros say that year included a long transitional period from his previous diet and it influenced by the Game changers doc. Health reasons.
I went because of a Netflix documentary and has been one ver since (5 years now). Doesn’t matter the motivation, if it sticks it’s a good thing
I had to stop watching this stupidity and ignorance is more than I can take. It's a scary person to think there are many of them. Where is his soul?
@@ladydy2831 oh..so.. so true. Eds patience is amazing. This guy makes me so frustrated 😅
You’re angry. You have no idea if he did or didn’t. You can only go by what someone says. You haven’t got a crystal ball so stop this ignorant behaviour. If his energy levels were low due to vegan then leave him alone
20:30 "why are you looking at it from their experience" "this is your morality you don't need to consider how they're feeling" omfgg does this finance bro even HEAR himself
Umm "blah blah blah Im a sociopath" is all I heard from that guy
That's what happens when suffering is not part of your moral principles
YES, this one... I had to pause at that point. Does this basically justify any atrocity ever committed in the history of humankind or what? Imagine Mr Adolf H justifying the holocaust in this way. I mean, how does this guy have any relations whatsoever if he is guide din life by "i dont care what you're feeling"...
“As humans we are born to exploit” 😭 this sent me
As a human I would think I’m born to try to exploit the least amount possible 🤷🏻♂️but this guy… so full of himself it’s disgusting 🤮
@@stevengarcia3233 what makes you think that?
can you really say his wrong looking at any history books not one single living organism have benefited our rule of earth without having to first benefit us.
@@patthonsirilim5739 for real. Every animal and species exploits their environment, it's literally called survival of the fittest for a reason. The ones who didn't simply died out.
@@zzzyyyxxx but the animal changes according to the environment through time to become more sustainable according to it. Something called "evolution". That's why symbiotic creatures exist.
And the survival of the fittest actually works more like survival of luckiest. Like DoDo were best suited for their environment but when other creatures entered their habitat they got extinct. The same goes for many Australian species. If humans follow the rule of nature like animals then we will also get extinct because every creature that followed that rule got extinct in history like dinosaurs and all the species killed in 5 mass extinctions. Some crazy human with a nuke can kill everyone because they feel it is morally good for them.
If you don't care about nature then nature will not care for you
I just discovered Earthling Ed and very impressed with him. I am happy to share the planet with him!
Thanks for the great content!
I couldn’t understand his refusal to acknowledge the wrong in hurting animals, until he told the goat story. I think what he experienced was traumatic, and as a defense mechanism he convinced himself that moral is subjective under any circumstance.
Yes, he went through Cognitive Dissonance.
Yeah. Exactly ... it was either so traumatic for him, that he just can't face it so he has to stay in denial . Or he is straight up psychopath.
You justify hurting animals yourself. In order to grow and eat plants, countless animals have to die. Yet you continue to justify your actions. So you’re just like everybody else, unfortunately
nah he smirked a few times while telling the story. He enjoyed it.
"You can apply morality to anything, you can apply it to trees"
Trees are more sentient than this guy.
But he has a point. Recent studies on trees and plants show that they do communicate with each other. A vegan may be eating a living thing that was just in a conversation with his buddy a few days ago.
@@gardenofeels6872 But to feed animals, there are more plants killed than if we eat the plants directly, so if plants were sentient, it would still reduce their "suffering" to go vegan, because the overall number of plants killed would be lower.
@@gardenofeels6872 False
Exchanging data is not "talking". Not literally.
By that logic your phone, and most of your devices in your home, are alive, sentient, self aware and talk to each other.
Intelligent =/= alive/sentient
@@HiddenStr3ngth That was a very bad analogy. Phones and devices only "talk" to each other because humans allow them to. We invented them all. Trees were talking to each other before humans were on the planet.
You've fallen into a semantic trap. As a zoologist, I can tell you that "sentience" is an extremely hard concept to define. One person's sentient being is another person's triple-decker sandwich. Are cows "sentient?" They are among the dumbest animals on the planet. Chickens are even dumber. Superstitions about them having deep thoughts and emotions are just wishful thinking and methods used by vegans to find recruits.
What is YOUR definition of sentience?
@@gardenofeels6872 out of interest, would you consider a human being who has the mental capacity of a cow to be sentient? It is definitely a tough thing to define haha
I’m 10 minutes in and already tired. Ed is beyond patient
I can’t imagine being tired of a conversation this simple. You must be low iq.
The stuff this guy is saying is honestly scary.
That guest was exhausting. Too stubborn to admit he has any morality. Evaded the direct questions from Ed Everytime.
Have to disagree. His morality is based on his subjective feelings. It would be interesting to know if he has moral principles or if his morals are based on his current state of feelings.
@@Tom-sx4tw i agree with you
@@Tom-sx4tw I wonder if he has "feelings".
Straight off the bat with one of evolutionary biologist's most hated misunderstandings. Biologically we have no desire to improve our species, only a desire to continue the life of our genes
Yessss
oh god thank you! I am studying biology and this was making me mad. The fact that even the idea of "group selection" has been thoroughly debunked in the scientific community, makes it all the more ridiculous to think that we have an innate desire to further the success of our entire species
he should read the selfish gene.
@@davidhartmann1903 As should everyone
Fun fact: Darwin didn't like the term evolution because evolution implies progress, and like you said, he believed that evolution is not a process of improving a species but simply a process of adapting to surroundings.
Ed's video in three seconds:
Ed: We don't need to hurt and exploit animals
college student: I don't have any empathy for animals
Imagine how terrible it would be if you were getting assaulted out on the street and this guy walks by..
This guy is basically saying "that situation doesn't personally affect me so who gives a shit?".
This guy has 0% empathy.
Isnt that what hes trying to say the whole time?
The guy's position was reduced to "Might makes Right" yet refuses to bite the bullet on homophobia and slavery based on the collective social morality of the time.
Also Jon Venus vibes 😅
I’m a vegan so I’m not trying to be a dick. His argument wasn’t “might makes right.” It was: people who have the power to do things they want will do them.
It’s not fair, it’s not right, but it’s just what happens. Some people lack empathy. And some of these people, we actually can’t fix. Fortunately, most people do actually care deep down, whether they claim to or not.
@@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll He was arguing for a society's collective morality (and not himself) when speaking about homophobia in his former country.
journey
Totally Jon Venus vibes with the sentences not making sense grammatically. Ex: “In my country, homosexuals are outlawed.” And “Their morality has been facilitated to believe that.” You can tell what they mean but technically the words are misused.
@@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll Eh, it very much was might [of ideas] makes right. The prevailing moral system wins out
Open dialogue and philosophical investigation is beautiful. I appreciate the care taken to consider the interlocutor's thoughts and ideas, this is the way to get someone to reconsider themselves. Well done. Getting frustrated and upset does not seem to be too helpful in most conversations I have had.
I don’t think he’s a bad person. He’s just digging his heels into his point and justifying the hypocrisies so he doesn’t lose the argument
So he’s hard headed and stubborn?
@@moredatesmorefiber3526 precisely
I am genuinely afraid of people who think this way
Hahahaha
There are a lot of them. Thats why the number of vegans isnt that high.
@@danielfaller5617 yep
My thoughts exactly
Atheists
no empathy seeing the fear in the goats eyes, kicking and flailing... in others words, it's fighting for its life, that much is blatantly clear... and he doesn't give a single damn 😢
these sort of people scare me ...
We are all the same, people or animals, in the sense that we all feel pain and we all want to live and avoid suffering. So the guy should be able to relate to this and thus, feel empathy. But he does not. He is literally a psychopath.
This guy is 100% sociopath.
I think Ed wasted the whole interview trying to convince this guy to believe in objective morality over subjective morality when instead it would have been better to appeal to something this guy could relate to, which from what I saw was economic efficiency relative to the needs of the human species. The industrial agricultural food system we have now is focused only on short term profit for those at the top and cheap convenience for consumers. It is highly inefficient in terms of long term sustainability of the environment and therefor long term sustainability of the human species, not to mention the direct impacts it has on human health and well being and the amount of poverty around the world. This guy could have been an ally in reducing animal suffering without having to even care about animals, but instead he was made to defend his concept of morality after he made it clear that it was an integral part of his character and wasn't going to change. So now he's likely left this interview with no change in perspective at all thanks to Ed's laser focus on morality.
Not a Vegan, but you have a very good point. My ideas of morality resonates with the guy being interviewed, however, the environmental effects of animal farms had made reduce meat consumption drastically.
i'm vegan and this is a great point. it should have been argued that even if he only cares about humans and not animals, it's still in his best interest to follow a vegan lifestyle to reduce the effects of climate change and preserve/extend the human species.
@@shaarifhamdulay2930 you resonate morally with this guy? Holy shit lol
ED YOU ARE AMAZING. I could not have remained so calm in the same situation. Thank you for delivering the message that so many of us can’t 💚
This guy is awful. Couldn't imagine having people with that frame of mind in my life.
Unfortunately they walk the earth among us.
Most people from the Middle East are like that.
Wow, he got so fast from "Why care for an animal? We are humans, not animals" to "We are still animals at the end of the day".
If being reborn is a thing, this guy is gonna get reborn as all the animals he doesn't have empathy for
No empathy for animals.. wow. I just can’t imagine what that feels like!
hes just hiding behind "moral subjectivity", the classic get out of jail free card. some of the things he said i almost couldn't believe. he has no empathy, truly a scary person.
Such people get high ranks in the industrial civilization because people with empathy can't abuse and murder nature for selfish, short-term monetary profits. We are in the midst of the 6th mass extinction because of selfish sociopaths like him. Check out: The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
Very empty and pathetic individual. Having been born in a country that hates and kills animals his indifference is not justified.A compassionate ethical and moral individual is born that way. He’s an empty shell. Talking about his ‘morality’ is preposterous! What morality?
I cringe at this show of moral emptiness. He’s a visitor to this earth. No involvement with anything. So creepy
I agree, it seems that he has very deeply rooted traumas which caused him to be a sociopath/psychopath (like most people who are anti-vegan), or he has a brain injury that prevented him showing compassion and empathy because normal humans are usually born with the capacity/potential for empathy and compassion.
Idk this is rather jumping the gun, i mean as others have said, i doubt he is really a sociopath so much as he has these flawed opinions and would rather defend them than say "hmm idk about this" (as many people will do).. and a lot of people just don't get it with animals. They don't get how deeply animals actually experience the world, they think they're dumb fucking automatons
@@NoOne-hg1qc I think we should believe what this guy is telling us about what he thinks and feels.
This was very painful to watch. I have no idea how Ed manages to stay calm and manages to not show his emotional side. My respect to you Ed! Really, you rock!
@@user-hp4gl8vx8e no they don't
if they did why you
gotta put all kinds
of sauces and isht
on them to cover up
their taste? dumbazs
@@user-hp4gl8vx8e I like exploitation, sorry poor people you have to get exploited. If you don't want to just be born in a rich family.
Why does no one ever challenge him on his “objective morality” by asking him what the source is?
According to my man, if exploitation happens all over the world, it's okay to exploit animals.
Chances are that you are causing more harm from your hummus packaging than a person raising their own animals and crops that benefit each other.
@@zinknot You're obviously joking.
They are quick to throw around some jargon in an attempt to cover up their selfishness and greed. Exposing the biggest fraud humanity ever had: 💖 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
@@zinknot raise your own animals then. Never get animal products from fast food ever again, never buy animal products from the grocery store ever again. By your logic, of course.
@@user-ed7pu5uj3q The harms from hummus packaging is no joke. And being able to produce my own food without exploiting people in third world countries is also no joke.
I've been vegan for 4 years now, and I don't have a great vocabulary for debating people when they question my veganism and just listening to ED helps so damn much
feel the same, I'm quite good at debating I think, but there's often that one point in the discussion where I'm missing the right words to show the other how flawed their thinking is... watching Ed helps a ton :)
Out of curiosity (not debate)...
I used to work a 20 acre produce farm. 20 acres is quite small and can only produce enough to feed a couple vegans their entire diet.
The hard truth is....on just that small farm...15-20 deer would be killed, every year...dozens of raccoons, opossums, woodchucks, skunks, rabbits, squirrels, chipmunks, mice, rats, various birds, etc. would also be killed. Fortunately, most of the deer were taken home and used to feed families...the rest just went to waste.
For the amount of food grown, to feed one single vegan their entire diet...there would be anywhere from 30-50 wild/FREE animals killed...every single year!
Knowing this now....do you still feel "vegan"..."friend to the animals"???
@@fermiticus4034 of course there is no possible farming without hurting any lifefrom at all (yet! I love the development of aeroponic farming on mass scale), and I don't wanna argue your numbers with this comment, but have you actually thought about how many animals are killed with a non-vegan diet? Even if we put aside the actual animal that's being farmed, what do you think that farmed animal eats? 1kg beef i.e. needs 10kg of grain to produce. So even without counting the actual animal that you eat, you kill those wild animals on a much larger scale! Of course you cld argue that a cow grazing free range doesn't need farmed grain, sure, but then I cld argue that I can farm all I need in a big garden without hurting any animal at all ;)
Of course not everybody can do that, so we depend on some form of large scale farming. I'd argue that we can drop the number of hurt/killed animals a lot while farming, and large scale aeroponic farming is the future. But until then, the best thing we cld do wld be for everyone to turn vegan. Why? Bc that wld reduce the Land we need for agriculture by a whopping 75%. Imagine how many animals less wld be killed :)
@@Loren1389 It was a yes/no question.
@@fermiticus4034 Haven't you read my answer? Ok, let me clarify it since you don't seem to understand otherwise: Yes, I "feel vegan", since my lifestyle inflicts so much less harm to animals than that of a meat-eater ;)
Let's hope this man never finds himself in a position of power. mercy for those who find themselves under his power, because he can mold morality to his will. He has no moral compass
Yes people like him exists. And its far more common than you think. Even this Ed guy had a hard time arguing with him. So be careful out in the world
I mean he made it pretty clear he values humans above all else so unless you are a pig I think you’re okay.
@@alphaomega7433 im more concerned about how morality is maluable to him. If he ever becomes a leader he can control morality. According to his beliefs. Using his logic NAZI Germany was moral because that is qhat everone believed to be moral and just
I hope that one day, this man has an opportunity to experience a deep bond with an animal, and then probably he might start to understand why animals are their own conscious individuals who are deserving of moral consideration
The incapability of this student to feel compassion for an animal he is busy murdering is a sure sign of a psychopath.
"Harvest" animals.
That says it all.
Ed’s last point/question summed up it up nicely. When someone has a knife to your throat, moral relativism might just seem like the BS it is! Empathy is at the heart of any definition of morality and that was Ed’s point.