Should The One Ring Be Restricted? | MTGGoldfish Podcast
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- The crew talks about the state of Modern, the lack of a Grief banning in Legacy, Bloomburrow and Duskmourn spoilers and more!
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Big shoutouts to Seth pronouncing "cthonian" right this week, very proud of this character progression.
It's Chthonian.
it's pronounced 'tho-nean', not 'k-tho-nean' - check websters before you jump at me
The choice of a badger for this card is a total nod to Redwall. Badgers are rare but important to the stories, typically the strongest creatures on the side of the good guys.
Worth noting that the Redwall series found success in the US roughly the same time that Magic did. They're contemporary pieces of popular culture. I cant have been the only kid using Revised basics as bookmarks for Redwall stories.
This already feels so much like a crossover, it seems like it would be incomplete unless the estate of Brian Jaques signs on for a Redwall Secret Lair.
Always 1 badger per book if I remember correctly, might be an exception for the book where badger was main character
Keep in mind most lands are not from Modern Horizons sets. 36% is wild
Yeah, and that doesn't include reprints either (like the fetchlands don't count as Modern Horizons cards since they existed in Modern before they were reprinted in MH2/MH3).
MH sets could never have existed. It wouldn't change the fact that Wizards printed powercrept cards regardless. People seem to forget that some of the most powerful cards of the early Modern format came from way beforeKhan's.
They also seem to forget that Wizards had a habit of riding a roller coaster of Standard power going up and down over the years. It just so happened that Modern had the enemy Fetches and then got the allied Fetches from Khans.
They forget that Eldrazi Winter happened. They forget that cards like Dryad got printed into Standard , and boosted Amulet Titan all on its own at the time. They forget recent adds to Modern like Leyline Binding and Guildpact and how they had an impact on the format.
The reality is that Wizards could have just continued to be all over the place and have Modern constantly change. Or they can focus the majority of it into MH sets.
Seth said "They play that Silly Goose" and no one giggled
The badger disrespect is unreal
As a Wisconsinite I am outraged
Smh my head, can't even recognize the Hufflepuff emblem and they call themselves millennials?
They deserve the disrespect.
Wisconsinites Unite!
State animal of Wisconsin!
I had already planned to go Badger Kindred. Or College mascot Kindred. Or state animal Kindred.
Very much disagree with Crim. A card being in too many decks because it's just a generally good card is the EXACT reason to ban a card. Magic is a game about deck building no matter what format you're playing. With The One Ring Modern is a 56 card format. The last Standard banning banned Fable and Bankbuster for the exact reason. When building your deck with those cards in the format, you had to think of a reason to NOT include the card rather than a reason why it should be included. The same is true for The One Ring. Unless you're playing Burn, there is no reason NOT to include The One Ring in your Modern deck.
Generally correct however there are some extremely powerful decks not using the ring. also nadu runs 2. Ruby storm has 0 because it’s actually just a waste of mana for a storm deck. Jund Saga runs 0. Merfolk runs 0. Energy runs 0. It doesn’t warrant a ban but you should be only allowed to run a single copy in your deck
There's two tracks an overplayed card can go down in eternal formats, either banning it or being okay with it being a pillar of that format like Brainstorm and Force of Will in Legacy
Was Lurrus banned for being in too many decks or was it just more powerful than the ring?
As a legacy player there is no playing around grief, you can't counter it as that's basically grief just taking your counter and they can reanimate it to get something else, and if you let it resolve, it just gets your counter + best card or 2 best cards.
Exactly, that's why I 100% know that they deliberately choose not to ban it because MH3 sells. They, in this case, being Hasbro. Money money money, baby.
Nailed it. Grief scam is so busted because there isn't a clean answer. Tack on a combo and a good fair gameplan that also easily supports force and you get a really busted deck.
What’s wrong with leyline of sanctity or the selesnya creatures that etb instead of being discarded? Are there really no answers to grief?
@@Amishtroll if you leyline, they just kill you with a reanimated monster. Those discard creatures aren't in the realm of playable. The just get an archon and kill you. Plus it would have to be the only non land in your hand
@@Amishtroll
Leyline is a solid option mirrors the hoggak modern metagame x years ago. But grief is a turn one game ender so a seleysnya creature on turn one or turn two is often to slow.
Goldfish Crew - Badgers are low tier.
Redwall fans - Badgers are GOATed
Why the badger hateorade?! Super happy for badger commander… 6 playable badgers in mtg history unit :)
I think the Badger is strong, I just don't like how generic it is. It's seems like a pretty pushed "good stuff" Commander, which are some of my least favorite commanders.
HOLD UP did Richard say possums aren't cute?! Look at their sweet little faces! Look at a picture with a momma possum carrying all of its babies! They're adorable!
Creepy tails though lol
It should have started as a one of for flavor reasons
Definitely should have had the "You can only have one these in your deck" clause
I usually think Crim has pretty measured and reasonable things to say about MtG, but “Immersion is already broken, so complaining is incorrect” is a pretty hot and pretty bad take. Replace immersion with power creep. I don’t think that Crim, or the rest of the crew, would agree with the statement that “power creep is already bad so we should just go all in on it”
What a stupid comparison. One actually affects gameplay, competitive integrity, and finance. The other is a purely aesthetic aspect. If you don’t want to play immersion breaking cards, don’t play them, no one is forcing you. However, when it comes to power creep, it affects everyone regardless of what choices they make.
@@nikhilchhagan7371 I’m not equating power creep and immersion breaking. I’m saying that “Something is already bad so complaining about things that make it worse is wrong” is a tough take regardless of what the “something” is.
A potential solution for errata with The One Ring might be to have the Burden counters get added to the player rather than the card itself. It'd be a flavor win and it would stop the chaining of One Rings from resetting the damage you take.
This is the way
Solid option
A promising solution, but there would be a solemnity meta overnight
@@DarthTUKbut Solemnity would also prevent the ring from drawing more cards, so it becomes like a Phyrexian Arena.
I like that idea
when they initially revealed that Duskmourn is coming at the end of the year, I was really excited, cause I love the creepy ass horror themes. when they showed the previews I was really disappointed, because I am indeed one of those leftover players who actually care for a *somewhat* coherent theme across sets.
I disliked Thunderjunction for its campy cowboy theme that just doesn't fit into MTG imo, but they at least tried to make it fit into a more medieval-fantasy-esque multi/universe.
but what I've seen from Duskmourn, they actually just use modern settings for the card arts. straight up TVs, modern glasses, etc. and I find that really lame. at first I hoped it would be alternate arts, like some special treatment or whatever, but it seems to be on the regular cards too. I would have much preferred if they stuck with art like on Overlord of the Hauntwoods (52:35) or the one version of Doomsday Excruciator (54:03).
they already have Universes Beyond to bring in settings that aren't "MTG flavoured".
The perfect card to be restricted to a One of
You only say that because its named "The One Ring". You might as well ban it at that point. The card is kind of bad if you cant hit a second one to reset the counters. I would most definitely drop the card altogether if it got restricted to that extent. Commander is the only time im okay knowing that I dont have another ring, and even then with 40 life, it can still get sketchy.
Maybe you run artifact tutors and metamorphic alterations. I think it would go from being in every deck to a bit more fringe. I think it would still show up in many strategies if they have more than one way of resetting the counters or getting rid of it.
Karn the great creator will just be played as a 4 of to find it
@@vitaminstorm9429 u sir are lyuing to your selfe her
@@vitaminstorm9429stupid opinion
What makes the One Ring so powerful isn't the card draw. It is the chaining of One Rings together to completely kill any progression by the other player. Fogging the opponent for a turn and then activating the ring 2 to 3 times to draw into a board wipe or enough targeted removal to kill the opponents board. Then when your ring has stacked too many counters on it you play another copy of the ring and fog the opponent out for another turn.
Sounds like the Mid-Range format so many wanted
Sounds like it is the drawing lol. The protection would be useless because there's stuff like angels grace already as well as other protection but being able to draw an extra card the turn it comes in and the 2 your next turn plus the one for turn and suddenly you're safe again
@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS nah man, I have played against the turn multiple times and games where they chain them together. The card draw is powerful but it is the fog till their next turn that is what ultimately does me in. So many times I had lethal on board for them to drop the ring shutting down my next turn and they draw into the board wipe or get the prime time to kill me.
Yeah, if you really think about it The One Ring is pretty close to Ancestral Recall + Time Walk on a four mana colorless card, which is pretty wild.
UW Madison students are crying rn. Not knowing what a badger is is a personal attack lol
Hi, I'm the guy that loves badgers and wolverines. I actually built Greensleeves just because she made badger tokens. Not sure if I'll build Hugs as a separate deck, but I do love the card.
So much badger slander 😢
I remember exactly when I quit modern.
Turn 3 my Karn got countered by a free spell.
The next game my wurmcoil engine got exiled by a free spell.
Then my opponent cast a time warp, fetched an island that put time warp back on top of their deck.
Never again.
The irony of complaining about a turn THREE Karn getting countered by a "free" spell is hysterical.
@@Xoulrath_ how is it ironic? I paid 7 mana for the Karn. My whole gameplay is around getting to turn 3 Karn, and they invalidate it for free.
@@bubblehulk7647 you paid three mana for the Karn. Stop justifying Tron and bitching about "free" counterspells that deal with shit like that.
@@Xoulrath_ there’s a ton of other counterspells that can easily stop it…are you trying to say free spells are healthy for the game? If it was legacy and I was threatening a turn 1-2 win, absolutely you need FoW. But in modern? Cmonnnn.
@@bubblehulk7647 you played a SEVEN cost, arguably BROKEN Planeswalker on turn THREE, and you're still COMPLAINING about "free" spells, which are NOT free, being a problem? Dude, have a good day and a great life. I can't take this shit seriously.
Crim made the same argument for Modern & Legacy of why not to ban Grief/TOR. “But ThOSe ARe ThE PoWERfUl ForMaTS.”
Cards can still be too strong for a powerful format. Strength is relative. 🤦
Dude, if you ain't winnin on turn 0, is it even Magic? Yu-Gi-Oh! has left Magic in the dust. Wizards needs to hurry up and make Magic a turn 0 format across all formats, to keep up with other card games. I mean, that was their bullshit excuse with adding the Mythic rarity. This game has fallen so far. I hate that I didn't just walk away for good in the 90s.
The badger depicted on the magic card is a European badger, and so was the picture of the badger they looked up. North American badgers have the same basic body shape, but they look a lot meaner.
Not knowing what a badger is wild to me.
I feel like you're missing the point about Duskmourn. It's an in-universe set that more than ever before breaks off with MTG lore.
It's up for debate whether the set's setting is welcomed or not, but you can't just brush off the complaints by comparing it to UB products.
I feel like at this point WOTC has brought down the quality of the lore so much that people don't care about any kind of consistency and continuity over multiple sets.
Badgers are great! Much love. They live in cetts (burrows) that they sometimes share with other critters!
I couldn't quite read Richard's t-shirt, and didn't know what chaturanga was. So I was sat there thinking "T-Rex hates Chaturbate"?
I also would have appreciated a discussion of Duskmourne outside of the straw man. "But what about walking dead hur dur dur" this is a REAL in universe magic set though. Whatever about lazy tropification, its about magics lack of ability to tell a real story or take itself seriously. People in fedoras, holy cow and people in cowboy hats and now we have Van High Tops in White and TVs.
Im sorry, did we miss the whole 'body horror' axis of ALL OF PHYREXIA?
Could you guys get in contact with daybreak and interview them about this? There might be information that we don't know about, that they actually can talk about.
Modern Horizons is just Alchemy in paper, and we should just make a Traditional Modern. My locals and I have talked about trying it for a couple FNMs to see if we have fun.
Lol
Never going to work
We have traditional modern now, and it's called Pioneer. For how long tho, idk.
@efuii I love me some Pioneer, but I don't think I'd be willing to call it Modern adjacent, personally. For me at least, a huge part of Modern's identity is that the mana is perfect and the life totals start at 14.l, and thats something that Pioneer has very specifically been engineered to not be able to replicate.
@Tyke-Myson they already balanced it for digital and it actually was effective
I believe they do this in Legacy and call it 'heritage' Legacy. I saw it on BoshnRoll's channel a while back. No supplemental products, only sets that have actually gone through standard. Could be a fun change up.
12:28 My favorite Redwall book growing up was about a badger, and I was so excited for this set because of the inevitable badger commander. I am heartbroken that Hugs is so boring.
I strongly disagree with Crim: I don't mind loosing, but I want to have a chance to play. Most of the +3 years cards put yourself as the underdog even against precons nowadays...
I hate the idea of restrictions, BUT, if it would apply, it should be a change in the oracle so that The One Ring text reads that you can only have one in your deck
I can't get too upset about the tone breaking or Fortnite-ification (or whatever you want to call it) of sets like Thunder Junction or Duskmourn compared to the normal high-fantasy tropes of MTG. Wizards themselves seem to be putting less emphasis into the narrative of the Magic IP proper, so might as well have fun with these theme park sets.
Should have never been printed. It is a flabbergastingly powerful, mechanically unique, non-Magic IP card that is a 4 of in eternal formats. The licensing issues we've already seen in stuff like WH40k are almost certainly going to plague this card as well. Its literally everything that people who have vocally been against UB have said would happen.
What issue with WH40k?
@@TheEvolver311they were unable to put WH40k cards in mtgo unless they were part of a precon, so certain cards that were seeing legacy play necessitated buying 4 copies of a precon. These cards only showed up on modo after over a year and a half of arguments between wotc and games workshop, and only in that weird ass form.
This is like. A super obvious problem when trying to maintain fungibility between different kinds of assets and play spaces. Fucking over your mtgo players is not a quirk of the system, it is a consequence of how the rights are all split up. That kind of careless horseshit is not going to be a one off event.
It is very evident that wotc cannot just reprint or Universes Beyond cards at will because of these licensing agreements. It's been said before, but depending on how some of these agreements shake out "second reserve list" is a nonzero possibility.
@al8188 they already have stated a policy on how they are going to deal with reprinted needed ip specific cards.
Not surprised, MTGO is going to phase out WotC pawned it onto daybreak and will die a grizzly death. I don't particularly see that as so bad since Legacy already had paper decks that didn't exist on MTGO because WotC never released all the pre-2001 cards onto the client.
@TheEvolver311 I replied and my comment was deleted for some reason.
Tl;dr: Games Workshop and WotC had a dispute which pushed back the release of WH40K cards on MTGO, delaying the release by more than a year and half. This was a problem for legacy, because some cards from the structure decks were seeing play. If you wanted them, your only recourse was $160 of starter decks for a card that is still seeing play at about 1 dollar and change.
Restricted sounds good because it’s such good flavor one per deck and you can’t play a new one to avoid dying to the one ring counters building up. But whoever draws the one ring is just gonna win the vast majority of games
You should be allowed to play 8 of them
Now THATS what I'm talkin about
My cousin and I have talked about this for years; playing Yu-Gi-Oh back in the day, the Restricted/Semi-Restricted list always felt nice, since it allows you to still play your favorite cards (even if they may be a bit OP)
Semi always felt pointless for anything but Malicious imo, lol
@@baconsir1159 I like how they use it now as a testing ground for potential unbans/unrestricts
The only reason why MtG has restricted cards at all is because back in the very earliest days cards like Moxed and Lotuses were supposed to be restricted simpl by being so rare. Thus we end up with enough jewelry to just never play lands, but they don't want to just ban them. But that is literally the only reason.
Usually, the problem is that restricting doesn't make the card weaker, it just increases the variance and reduces the skill involved in a match.
The only exceptions are cards that synergize with themselves or that are easily and frequently removed and thus tend to need a reliable replacement. The One Ring is very weird even among the exceptions in how it benefits from the legend rule. It's really rare for a card to benefit so reliably from sacrificing it to the legend rule. That's the reason why if any broken card can be truly balanced by restricting the number of copies, it's The One Ring.
31:08 Having a set be 6x more likely to be played doesn't mean it's 6x stronger, it just means it's 6x more likely to be at the top of the list. Imagine ranking all the cards in the format from strongest to weakest. If all the MH3 cards are at the top of the list, you'll see this effect, regardless of *how much* stronger they are. They could be 0.01% stronger, but if everyone agrees they're stronger, they'll still be at the top of the list.
Doesn't mean the sets aren't screwing with the meta, but the answer to Seth's question is no.
50:45 Re: Fear of Missing Out. This seems like a giant missed opportunity. If you sold me on the idea of "fears manifested," I'd think Incarnations like Anger - where you have a guy who does something on the battlefield, and then he also has a related ability in the graveyard. Anger & it's ilk are fairly easy designs, but they could arguably be streamlined even more; Ex:
Fear of Aggravated Assault 2R Legendary Enchantment Creature - Incarnation (R) Menace 3RR: Untap all creatures you control. After this phase, there is an additional combat phase followed by an additional main phase. Play this ability only any time you could play a sorcery, only once per turn, and only if ~ is on the battlefield or in your graveyard. 3/2
Instead we get power creep, complexity creep, "different for being different", and FIRE! design all rolled up into "Why the hell are you making me read this card.
Maybe you want to die the graveyard ability to delirium - that sounds like fun - but honestly, the additional words of delirium and threshold can probably be cut by adding a single mana and the complexity reduction for that seems well worth it. I mean, you'll probably run FOAA in your Delirium graveyard deck anyway, so why restrict it for shaving a mana off of the cost?
Maybe the problem is contemporary magic designers don't like magic. Whenever they have an opportunity to reprint a classic card, complete a tight cycle, or pay homage to a classic cycle of cards... they just say "nah, dude, I know better than magic designers. My KCI combo engine is simic and has flying, completely different degenerate playpattern. My signature demon (M) is a 6/6 flying trample with all upside for 5 mana, surely it'll see play, right? My Hexproof has "performance issues," but as the ladies say size doesn't matter and 2 mana feels like forever in bed.
I think WoTC is afraid of player backlash from banning millions of dollars from decks.
As a central european i cant help but notice the difference in perspective. For the record badgers are quite large, like roughly the size of a medium to large dog. They generally fall in the category of "dont mess with them", that said you usually dont see them that much since they spend a lot of time in rheur burrows.
Ban Nadu
Ban Ring
Ban Grief
Very simple for me. It should neither be banned or restricted. Restricting it would’ve been fine if it had been specified on the card itself as part of its rules. Kind of like the opposite of relentless rats, but introducing a whole new section of a ban list into modern or legacy is just pretty outlandish. Before anyone asks, no, I don’t own any The One Rings, no I’m not a Commander player, I mainly Modern, Legacy and Pauper.
@13:00 badgers and wolverines are similar, both are part of the weasel family. But badgers and wolverines are OP, that is where the saying "honey badger don't care", and why literally a wolverine can take on / scare off bears and mountain lions.
No mention about Duskmorne being a tricolor set? I want to know what kind of new triome we will get
metashare was the reason smugglers copter was banned in standard. if its played as much as it is, then why not ban it to see decks at their more "original" theme rather than just shoving all generic staples in.
edit: i posted this at the beginning of this segment and LOVED that seth brought it up also. Its a VERY relevant topic to think about seriously
I feel releasing previews for Duskmourne this early is what the set needed because I'm way more interested in it now that I was before.
Crim look so good in this angle!!
Yeah, to a frog!
His normal high angle gives him big goblin vibes, I'm realizing
He's so hot id let him put a baby in me
at first i was like, who tf is that? lmao that guy looks intense
Oh shit your right crim hot?
Imagine being so chronically online you don’t know what a badger is
Should be errataed to give the player the counters like experience counters.
Fits more thematically also.
Add to the LEGENDARY RULE with: You can not cast a Legendary card with the same name as one you already control on the battlefield. Problem solved!!!!!!!
As someone who got back into arena last year and was looking to get into modern, it feels impossble to jump in with the one ring running rampant right now. Spending 400$ on these 4 cards and just praying they dont get banned while 90% of players have said it should be banned since the Modern PT last year, feels like im winding my fist up to punch myself in the balls.
The difference between grief and the one ring is that grief is tied to a color/archtype, if its strong, you can build a deck that is good against that archetype, the one ring just goes in any deck, if you focus your deck on trying to stop it, you die to whatever the main focus of the deck is(nadu for instance). The one ring, by itself, single handedly wins games.
Errata-ing the protection effect is too awkward, the easiest errata would be to put the burden counters on the player.
What if the one ring put the burden countrers on the player similarly to an experience counter, that way a new one ring won't reset your damage
The errata I would like to see is : "tap, put a burden counter, draw x, loose x, x equal to the burden counters" and not the upkeep thing. Basically speeding up the life loss by one turn.
What will be the best Serialized cards only (Format) deck?
I wish they "The One Ring" had the text of Only one ring can be on the battlefield at a time, if your opponent controls "The One Ring" They sacrifice it, and your one ring gains all the burden counters on their Ring. I wonder if that could fix it or if it would be more broken. My other thought would be that "The One Ring" has the text of if you would sacrifice a Ring, the new Ring enters with same number of Burdens counters equal to the number of the counters on the Sacrificed Ring. Sadly there is nothing we can do to fix the Modern Meta but I wonder what could of fixed "The One Ring'
Crim, the issue isn't that these new cards are powerful, it's that they're redefining what powerful is. Thus the old favorites are gone and there's no competitive justification to play anything else.
DOINK!!
Cactar: 1/1 haste, deals 1,000 damage to a creature that blocks it. Shroud (so you can't give it lifelink)
It should either be a ONE of or banned. They banned Smugglers Copter for less.
Restriction just means you end up playing a couple copies of Phyrexian Metamorph and ways to Karn Wish or search up your 1 copy.
flavor restriction on One Ring is a win, and it deals with the toxic protection looping issue. even with a bunch of tutors you still gotta be careful when you trigger the protection
They should have had the burden counters get attached to the player, so playing another ring or flickering it doesn't reset how much damage it would deal you if it's on the field during your upkeep.
10:56 looking super forward to hugs in Rosheen and a heavy X spell theme. We also have a bunch of support from war hammer and some new modern horizons cards.
Overall he reminds me of escape to the wilds on a creature.
A solution to "the one ring problem" is to create a new card rarity or keyword: "unique cards" that have a deckbuilding restriction like companion cards, so you can only have one per deck
There's a certain video about honey badgers that you guys need to watch. They needed a vicious animal for the cutesy bloomburrow realm. Badgers fit pretty well.
They probably found some security flaw when they switched that would potentially have affected them with the previous state aswell but was exacerbated now. So they took it down entirely to fix it straight away because being aware of an issue and not fixing it right away can get you in real hot water if something happens that could cause legal liabilities.
Fun fact, that type of badger is from great britain I think? And they are super chill. Not like badgers here in the US who will rip you in half. so it's funny that they chose this version of a badger to be all angry
Should be errata'd to add the line "A deck may only contain one copy of the one ring."
Unless you are a competitive grinder, I don't see how any one could or would want to keep up with the modern metagame in paper.
A deck can only contain one copy of the one ring. 💍
We need Sir David Attenborough to narrate this episode while the crew talks about badgers.
Bring back the OG Legend rule specifically for the one ring only.
The ring changes hands as suits it's own goals, lore wise.
Re: "does a card being in x amount of decks nessessetate a ban?"
Im thinking about this like deathrite in legacy when that was banned. Part of the thinking was that every black or green deck was playing it, because of its flexibility of interaction, and baseline utility of being a mana dork.
One difference between DRS and ring is that DRS moves green decks towards black, and black decks toward green. The ring can go in any style of deck and fill a role, but the strategy doesnt change if the ring were banned (some exceptions).
I think it should be banned still, but i dont think theyd ban ring and nadu at the same time. Especially rifgt before an rcq season.
33:44 I actually agree with Crim here and idk what fantasy land he's living in that commander decks from 4-5 years ago don't hold up. I have commander decks from 4-5 years ago that I haven't tweaked and they're still brutal. I see people with commander decks from 8 years ago with minimal tweaks that are still insanely powerful.
Commander focus isn't bad for commander, because that format isn't about a meta or competitive tournaments.
Modern focus is bad when it shifts everything constantly and peoples decks become unplayable. That format isn't a casual fun format. Commander is.
Something I was just thinking of today - what are the odds that they eventually start printing a direct-to-modern bonus sheet/supplemental product/etc. with each standard set? They already did it with EDH so it doesn't seem *impossible*...
Badgers are incredible, powerful, and shy. Had a den in the back of my property for years and have never caught a glimpse
the main problem with one ring is that I feel like there are just one ring decks and non one ring decks.... that itself is a problem, it just warps all the formats... being colorless is also a HUGE concern. At least if it was one color you did more diversity for decks not using that color. The problem is that is it literally goes in all the decks and is basically not doing aggro. You want to play control? One ring, combo? one ring! midrange durdle fest? one ring!! random ass brew? one ring!!!
One ring should have restricted itself from the start as a one per deck based on theme alone.
I really wonder about the diversity question with the One Ring. It allows a lot of potential diversity elsewhere in the decks (playing jank) because of its card advantage and protection.
The thing is, what makes a card being played too often ban worthy is how it warps the game around it. No one cares if basic lands are in almost every deck because they are background noise. Replacing them with other lands rarely changes the deck's strategy at all.
Even cards like Llanowar Elves aren't that bothersome because they're just "generic mana dork" in our brains, but the moment that they get more complex and start to have more unique effects, their presence stops being background noise and becomes tiresome.
I think that's because of the mental effort they require. It's just so much easier to our brains to think "1/1 green mana dork" than "1/2 green mana dork that makes colorless except for legendary spells and makes it so those can't be countered". Your brain can't go "ok, it's basically as if they had 1 more forest", it needs to keep track of all the possible interactions, how it affects your game plan, etc. And The One Ring is just so much worse.
"Protection from everything" completely changes the game for an entire turn, the amount of draw and pain the ring gives changes every turn, you need to keep track of how likely it is for your opponent to have another ring and just reset it... It just adds extra steps to every calculation in the game. Which is not bad, I love complexity and nuanced interactions, but it becomes tiring really fast.
You'd think that having to deal with the same thing over and over again would make it easier, and it does to a degree, but it also becomes psychologically harder as the novelty fades away. Our brain just begs us to do something different for a change and tries to distract us with better things, so we become more detached and sloppy. It's just bad for the game.
I have a feeling if the one ring is restricted and karn is not (or banned), you'd just see 4x karn lists with ring + blood clock or whatever
Crim! It’s definitely Luigi’s Mansion! I said exactly the same as you in this to some friends 😂
Seth doesn't realize that if Ring was restricted, Phyrexian Metamorph would become the next big expensive magic card :)
You should revisit the 36% MH cards data again. That data represents more than just power creep. It represents an acceleration in the evolution of the format. Before only a few select cards per standard set would be designed for, and make it into, modern decks. Which meant maybe 10 - 20 cards a year. Now that sets are made with 100% Modern-level cards, plus the standard sets, that number is much higher. So, the better conversation would be how fast should modern evolve? How many cards per year are too many to add to Modern? There is a conversation to be had about concentration rather than power because even if the elementals were half-as powerful, they would still make it into decks. That fact that we get 5 (a cycle) or more "cheat mana" spells each Modern set would cause the % of MH cards that make it into decks to go way up.
Burden counters should have been placed onto players and have an innate "deals a damage to you on your upkeep" ability. Frodo's and Bilbo's exposure to the ring haunts him long after the rings destruction.
Maybe they could just errata The One Ring to say "You may only have one copy of this card in your deck." Kind of like the opposite of Shadowborn Apostle. That's the exact same as making it restricted but makes it more flavorful I guess. But then it would apply to all formats not just modern.
Fomo seems only strong with vigilance creatures. If you play it with normal creatures, you don't truly get an extra combat step, you just give one creature double strike.
Banning any cards during or close to the release of MH3 reinforces the issues with direct to modern sets, power creep, and price instability on cards. In short it's a bad look for MtG and lowers excitement in MH3 in general.
Teleportation circle your one ring every single end step
Powerful and generic are 2 of the worst things to describe a card.
Powerful cards should be in a niche or specific archtype while generic cards should be lower to mid level.
Max flavor win for The One Ring:
- If The One Ring would enter the battlefield, exile it instead if you control a card named The One Ring.
- The One Ring cannot be copied.
New Phyrexia has some of the most unnerving cards printed in MTG, and I dont know if that will ever be matched again even though duskmourn is trying.
Listening to this on my commute in Wyoming and seeing two roadkill badgers.
Why would they have a ban anouncement near a new high powered set then if they are going to use the excuse of new set might changes things?
i mostly just wish for an in-universe reprinting of the one ring to increase supply. not sure what set that would happen in though
No badgers hanging out at the anime shop.
I suspect the only time I will see that badger outside of limited is in the 99 of Gruul Omnath.
Usually I agree with most of Crim's takes but in my opinion the One Ring should definitely be banned for no other reason than simply Reckoner Bankbuster got hit with the hammer for the reason of it being powerful colorless card draw played everywhere except the One Ring is that times like a million. It's just a horrible card to play against beyond it being simply "a powerful card." Also Seth hit the nail on the head that a one of One Ring is much, *much* better than having four of them. In Brawl and Commander I see a lot of One Rings and there the life loss actually does matter because you can't get rid of it. The main issue, I see-which Richard alluded to-was that the design of the card simply doesn't work. "Indestructible," for example, was obviously meant to be a negative in the greater design of the card so you couldn't easily remove it. In singleton formats this shines as, even though the card is busted, there you actually have to worry about the life loss and there's three other players staring the One Ring player down who can use that life loss to their advantage. Hell, even in Brawl I personally notice a massive increase in my chances at winning when most One Ring players drop a ring because the life loss just becomes so high. In constructed, though, it's horrible because as Richard said you just chain One Rings transforming the indestructible negative into all positives. It's just a poor design for 60 card formats.
I don't think you can compare Standard bannings to Modern that cleanly.
We can’t ban The One Ring because it needs to be reprinted in Duskmourn with a TV screen with a circle on it...
What if new card "the ring" representing the movie. If your opponent has cast "the one ring" this game. At your next upkeep they lose the game