Honestly Primary is being completely reasonable here. If anything the fact he only wants one trusted Kaylon down there and he volunteers himself is already fairly gracious.
@@Marconius6 Would he not have a copy stored back on Kaylon-1? I was under the assumption that Kaylons were essentially immortal unless all copies of an individual's consciousness were destroyed.
@@Hy3jii Is this ever confirmed? In my philosophical view, a copy of yourself isn't actually the same as yourself continuing, so it wouldn't work. Like even if you made a back up clone of me with all memories, I still wouldn't be okay dying. But maybe Kaylon see it differently?
A thing that I really like about the Kaylon is that they never change their tones but you can feel what’s behind their words, like the annoyance that prime has over the fact that the crew trust Issac more then them
Isnt it because you, the human viewer, expect them to have certain emotions and thus apply emotion where none exists? Even people misinterpret people often.
2:52 Charly: "We already have one Kaylon! We don't need another!" Primary: "On the contrary, Isaac has proven he is not to be trusted!" Isaac (blank look): "Such a ringing endorsement of my abilities from the big boss!!" 😄😊
First the Kaylon start a deadly invasion and eventually the Union gets aid from the Krill. Now the Krill have done a 180' and the Union is aligning themselves with the Kaylon? The Orville is getting crazier.
It is like we allied with the Soviet Union against Germany, Japan, Italy during World War. After World War II, the Soviet Union is now our mortal enemy since we are now allied with Germany, Japan, and Italy against them.
The musical score was foreboding and I love it. I am trying to figure out where I heard it before. I'm thinking star trek or star wars but it doesn't feel right.
Rich Burlew, in "How the Paladin Got His Scar": "There are only two sides. There are only ever two sides. The side that wants a war. And the side that does not."
@@treyhelms5282 Nations are usually composed of both "sides", pro- and anti-war, but at some point the pro-war side dictates policy on at least one side. WWI is an interesting case in that nobody necessarily wanted to start a global war but the system of alliances -- and bad timing, and bad statecraft -- turned a dispute between Serbia and Austria-Hungary into a slaughterhouse. I don't know much about the Russo-Japanese War but the Confederacy clearly threw down a gauntlet and the Union fumblingly picked it up; again, bad timing and a succession of bad generals turned the Union's inevitable victory into a four-year slaughterhouse with horrors on both sides.
Love the implication that the giant assed ships nuking everything in their way might be run just by a crew of three in a tiny little shuttle pod sized command module.
More than anything, the end of this episode proves to be a timeless example of what star trek and its federation were about before "discovery". The union showed that it was just as willing to forgive as it was to fight. Even let old enemies become friends.
"The union showed that it was just as willing to forgive as it was to fight. Even let old enemies become friends." They did the same thing on Discovery.
But also, like the Klingons would say: "Trust is EARNED - not given away." There's a reason Kelly is allowed to shoot him at the slightest betrayal or doubt.
@@dominikdobrotic8298 there is something to be said for showing the characters being characters, but sometimes this show runs a bit too long on that part. It feels like it gets a bit *too* indulgent on some of the characters sometime. It could also stand to use the scifi a bit more. For example in the one about Topa's gender restoration surgery, they missed a good opportunity for Topa to discover the truth after feeling something was off by using the machine that's used for simulating dead alien races using their DNA... or at least used it to see what she was meant to be. Nope, just a really interesting bit of scifi tech that mattered so little, it and the b-plot it was involved in could've been deleted and nothing would've been missed.
@@InfernosReaper I have a strong suspicion that "extinct" race is going to pop up again in some form or another. maybe as enemies, or maybe the reason they went extinct will come back to bite everyone's arse. We already have seen multiple callbacks to stuff that happened in episodes further back in pretty big and fundamental ways (and minor as well). I wouldn't be surprised if it got touched upon a season or two from now. They seem to be gradually establishing lore and tech that they then can come back to at later point in time.
Union: WE NEED TO BE FRIENDS TO FIGHT THE KAYLON! PLEASE! KRILL: hostile take over bruh, sorry. Moclan: we don't like women and cheat poorly, nah, ya on ya own. Kaylon: you have created a weapon we cannot defend against and promised peace. Let's link up and fuck up some moclans and krill.
I like the attention to detail in the conference room scene 1:51, where you can see both the Kaylon and Union fleet outside the windows facing the propper directions.
The massive flip in this season. The biggest threat and main villain becoming their new ally after two of their previous allies band together and force them against a common enemy. Holy fuck.
@@bellissimo4520 Yeah, the Krill and the Moclan are too toxic atm. Alliance with them would damage the core value of the Union, which is funny bc the Kaylon doesn't process any of the complications that would come with an advanced civilization, aside of bio-genocide that is.
This show is absolutely amazing! Great music, special effects, action scenes and interesting story lines. Even though the show is in HD the images are sharp and crystal clear on my 120 inch screen.
@@keithallver2450 Hulu hasn't renewed (which only picked them up for season 3 after it was dropped by fox) and a number of the cast are already off working on other contracts. Macfarlane and Grimes started a Ted spinoff series for NBC's streaming service.
If this is the last season, then my only hope is the writers and show runner go to Paramount plus. Because season three of the Orville has been some of the best episodic sci fi I have seen in a long time. They really knocked it out of the park. Hulu will loose a great anchor show.
My guess is they are doing the CGI scenes as cheaply as possible. HD rendering versus 4k rendering is quite a jump in budget size. Were any of the other seasons done in 4k?
If that is your bigger concern ,hope the Orville never get renew I don't mind if the Orville look like TOS Star Trek as long it's give great storytelling , you got my subscription
Well... I think not all is lost. Standard shooting is probably (most likely) done with 4K or more. Standard editing probably also. CGI could be rendered in HD to save time... but... if there will be time they can render CGI in 4k and just swap shots to render episode in 4K.
As harsh and reckless Kelly can be with her retorts, I'd give this one a pass since Primary was clearly trying to show dominance and put down Ed's statement, which was clearly a formality and should have been logically followed by silence in agreement. Kelly had to put primary in his place. Compare that to her retort when primary admitted to be wrong which was way out of line for her and could have killed them all if the Kaylons logic based culture didn't give them the patience of a saint.
0:01 - 1:20 'The Orville' manages to create big space battle a la 'Star Trek' and 'Star Wars' and are doing so without the need of inventing a transporter 😉
Transporter was originally a cost saving contrivance. If original Star Trek had the budget or VFX were as cheap as they are now they would have taken a shuttle everywhere.
@@methos1999 But then we wouldn't have had evil Kirk or mirror universe evil Kirk. One thing though, when Sulu and his landing party were freezing to death on that planet because the malfunctioning transporter would have killed them...why didn't Kirk beam down some coal or firewood?
This symbolises the twists and turns of politics. My friend today is my enemy tomorrow and vice versa. The enemy of my enemy may be my friend or enemy. Read Italian history during the Middle Ages, your head will spin!
My enemies enemy is my enemies enemy, no more, no less. - number 29, The 70 Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries. There are a fair few other Maxims that apply to the warring states period quite well too dispite them been written for a sci-fi web comic. Such as 13 "do unto others", 17 "the longer everything is going to plan, the bigger the inevitable disaster", 27 "don't be afraid to be the first to resort to violence" and my personal favourite, 30 "a little trust goes a long way. The less you use the further you'll go".
Would have been interesting if they didn't involve the Kaylon, whose firepower in season 2 showed they could wipe out any ship with just one or two blasts.
Those Cyclopean "eyes" on the ships are pretty intimidating. And the mechanical efficiency with which they move and fight really makes me feel that they weren't built by or for anything organic. Of course the Star Wars-ish ominous music doesn't hurt.
Space....The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the sci-fi adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contacts with strange new aliens and civilizations. To boldly go where no 'Nu Trek' has gone before!
So true, Orville is more GR version of ST. than most to current ST. The only exception is captain pike series…. So far. Not sure if cbs writers will butcher it in the later seasons.
@@thomaslee2765 Agree w/you. SNW is the exception of the live 'Nu Trek' series. Although of course it remains to be seen whether the next season would be as good. I don't know how to make of the rumored SNW - Lower Decks crossover episode 😄😊
Kind of miss when this show was about a mediocre ship with a mediocre crew led by a captain on his second chance. Now the Orville is practically the Union's flagship given it's always at the center of everything.
It's also the unofficial flagship series of the 'Trek' universe - if we define 'Star Trek' very broadly - including those produced by Paramount and those that don't 😉
It's called progressive storytelling. Yes, The Orville was just another ship in the fleet. But through the Crew's adventures with all the adversaries, the Admiralty entrusted The Orville crew to bridge the gap in diplomatic affairs. It raises the stakes and grows the crew to be immensely capable Planetary Union Officers/Soldiers/Representatives
@@toddkes5890 Yes and No. I agree that they are one of the few who survived and many high rankers died. but given the fact that there are quiet a few admirals I don't think they are at the top. My biggest idea why they became top dog is because of their many successful missions and most likely, this time, because of Isaac and the fact that they made "The weapon" (which is not out of ordinary or simple plot convenience, given that weapon won't be made without Kaylon's superintelligence and a being, who can think in 4 dimensions, Charly). So, given that this 2 important figures are on Orville and captain being very successful diplomat, they became the pivotal point of this conflict. PS. in this season they even justified Orville being pivotal point for Union vs Krill conflict(which most likely would be next season), by making Ed father of Anaya. Edit: it's not that they are best of the best. They simply are right people at the right time.
When I saw that episode, I immediately thought of a perfect counter to fields that neutralize electric weapons. An Evo 3, M4, or a good old shotgun would have been perfect for that episode.
I like how it's completely unnecessary for the Kaylon to move their arms when walking. But they do this sort of arm wiggle as if to look more impressive or something lol. It's cute. 1:12 If AI takes over, I hope our AI is as cute as this. Though... hopefully they just take charge and don't kill us all. I mean, I sympathize with the kaylon... but I also think they killed a lot of innocent people that did not need to die.
The arms swaying is an integral part for the stability in natural bipedal locomotion. Even if you think you don't you will always sway your arms while walking or running , even if it's just a little bit. If the kaylons were programmed with the same algorythm for moving they will sway their arms too and since their stance is so rigid they compensate with a more conspicuous swaying of the arms, it's in their programming. And also since they're played by ordinary people, the movement just comes naturally.
@@coolbionicle True, but we can 100% program robots with full upper body stability for better combat accuracy while advancing. And kaylon have made themselves into combat robots. So it seems unlikely they would have an arm wiggle.
And a little too quick in setting up bizarre alliances with a "species", a bunch of robots, whose goal is to destroy anything biological - as shown several times over - but always opts to give people am option to "surrender or die", which was brought up loosely in "Identity" but quickly forgotten about. Especially when the Kaylon were shown to be far more powerful.
Agreed. The Charlie arc was useful to highlight and define the other characters. I hadn't even considered she would least only one season. Im a strong fan of multi episode characters who die. It raises the stakes. It gives the deaths real impact. Their deaths are not cheesey or funny. I wish we had known some of the other characters who died by having bit scenes and background extra scenes so their deaths matter.
I was actually sort of hoping the Kaylon war would stick, and that we'd see some epic battle footage against them, that someone might use in a Robot Riot video.
i'm really happy that the kaylon are the ones who are allied with the union. they are clearly the best option being the most technologicaly and socitialy advanced. The only issue were some pretty fair assumptions as they lacked enough outside info
Thing is, once a genie is out of the bottle, it's impossible to put it back into the bottle. Just the knowledge that such a weapon is possible means that others could quickly redevelop it so taking the device back only delays the situation. Also, it's clear that the weapon exploits some failsafe built into the Kaylons so presumably counter measures could also be quickly developed and applied as a security patch. The cat is already out of the bag with this weapon, both replication by others and effective counter measures are now inevitable.
I have said it before, and I will say it again: there is simply no reason why these ships would be this close together, other than, _"looks cool, derp!"_ DS9 did it, and then more recent Star Trek shows did it, too, and now The Orville. And it looks dumb every time. It destroys the illusion that this is a real situation.
@@DaBinChe fair but couldn't they have made a ship that doesn't look so... dumb(?) XD (and no i have absolutely no idea what the orville is other then i think its star trek of some form)
@@darkdruidsvale it's a star trek piss take essentially but written by a true fan of star trek so while it takes the piss, it also honors alot of the base concept. The lack of distinction in ship designs is to my knowkedge a purposeful in joke based on how star trek basically only had like 3 core models and just glued extra bits on them when they needed something different, so they did the exact same thing except with cgi, a true homage.
Issac & Charlie created a weapon that was able to destroy kaylon using a frequency disruptor that destroys ties between each kaylon themselves. They cannot build more because no blueprints were ever made by Issac or Charlie.
@@FreeScripts "What do you call that machine you're riding in, Mr. Ford?" "I call it an automobile." "You should build more of them. You'll be rich." "I can't. I forgot to make blueprints."
In reality more of the weapon can usually be built unless it is hideously expensive or require some rare component. I think in this show the rare component is Charlie's brain. Others can duplicate the weapon physically but can't configure it to be useful.
@@macmcleod1188 They don't have a currency system in place in the Orville. Issac can look through several dimensions of space but chooses not to. It's a tad bit confusing but it's how that works.
I really wish that I could include a species I created for my old Sci-Fi series into The Orville universe. They were engineered inorganic lifeforms, created as tools to terraform planets. Unlike the Kaylon's creators, the creators of these lifeforms (known as the Intermediaries, the Inert, Catalysts, or just Gray) were jovial and benevolent. They cherished any and everything they made, seeing destruction as an unfortunate compromise for even greater creation. The Gray were their magnum opus, with a collective mind that was built into the fabric of time and space itself. Each individual was nigh indestructible and physically imposing, but, like their creators, unwaveringly benevolent. Each individual specialized in some form of planet crafting, some with scopes as massive as planetary rotational speed, magnetosphere generation, and continental crafting, others as minute as genetic restructuring, atmospheric composition, and atomic weaving. Each job was as equal with another, and with their collective, they could not only tap into the skills and experience of another, but even interchange minds as needed. While they could throw mountains, crush stone, and consume metal, they didn't understand the concept of war or violence. If any would wish to do them harm, they'd ignore it. If they prevented their progress, they'd curl up into a ball and wait. If they threatened another lifeform, they'd wall them off. They speak, not with words, but with understanding, comprehending speech, emotions, thoughts, and reasons on instinct.
The kaylon were build by alienoid beings similar to humanoids. The Kaylon also require space to control their ships and probably use an auto-pilot to assist with certain functions.
@@FreeScripts except they are logical beings, it make no sense why they make themselves in human form when they could choose a better form then again, the writters don't know a better form so they make do with what they have
@@tentailmadara2500 They were created by Alienoid beings. Similar to humans. The Kaylon do not want to change what they were built to look like as it makes them unique. As well as walking on 2 feet is most efficient.
@@tentailmadara2500 Most known biological sentients are humanoid. their technology is more easily accessible by humanoids, at least at first until a direct connection has been created. As for atmospheric conditions inside their ships, who is to say that they continuously keep those? They could create an atmosphere compatible to the outside whenever they need to. As to why do that with every ship? Sometimes you don't have the time to wait to have the necessary tools at hand, so bring them with you all the time. The Union ships are prepared for ground missions and have the equipment for those with them even if their current mission does not call for them. And that includes heavy gravity suits. Sure, you could always 'make' them as needed, but sometimes you don't have the time for that. Being prepared is being smart and you don't always have to improvise everything.
Even without taking biologicals in account, keeping an atmosphere inside your ship makes sense for robots. The vacuum of space acts as a perfect insulation, meaning the heat generated by electronics can only disperse through radiation, causing heat sinks and ventilators to become useless.
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Honestly Primary is being completely reasonable here. If anything the fact he only wants one trusted Kaylon down there and he volunteers himself is already fairly gracious.
volunteering yourself is only significant when you cant upload your consciousness into another body when you die
@@RicoDuroska Which he couldn't do if he died in the middle of enemy territory, I'm pretty sure.
@@Marconius6 Would he not have a copy stored back on Kaylon-1? I was under the assumption that Kaylons were essentially immortal unless all copies of an individual's consciousness were destroyed.
@@Hy3jii exactly
@@Hy3jii Is this ever confirmed? In my philosophical view, a copy of yourself isn't actually the same as yourself continuing, so it wouldn't work. Like even if you made a back up clone of me with all memories, I still wouldn't be okay dying.
But maybe Kaylon see it differently?
A thing that I really like about the Kaylon is that they never change their tones but you can feel what’s behind their words, like the annoyance that prime has over the fact that the crew trust Issac more then them
Body-language acting at its best.
There's something very unnerving for a genocidal race to have the gentlest voice and movements in the galaxy
@@troggdorthesecond bet their creators had given them that voice because they want them to be family friendly…. Before getting killed by them.
@@troggdorthesecond their creators probably gave them the kind mannerisms for their "customers"
Isnt it because you, the human viewer, expect them to have certain emotions and thus apply emotion where none exists? Even people misinterpret people often.
2:52 Charly: "We already have one Kaylon! We don't need another!"
Primary: "On the contrary, Isaac has proven he is not to be trusted!"
Isaac (blank look): "Such a ringing endorsement of my abilities from the big boss!!" 😄😊
Isaac: "I'm standing right here, Dude."
@@DavidLS1 Isaac: Well in context that is not untrue
And earlier in the episode: “There is always weakness. Isaac is proof of this.”
Kaylon Primary gets some sick burns
We trust Isaac we don’t trust you
First the Kaylon start a deadly invasion and eventually the Union gets aid from the Krill. Now the Krill have done a 180' and the Union is aligning themselves with the Kaylon? The Orville is getting crazier.
It is like we allied with the Soviet Union against Germany, Japan, Italy during World War. After World War II, the Soviet Union is now our mortal enemy since we are now allied with Germany, Japan, and Italy against them.
Desperate Times call for Desperate Measures...
the enemy of my enemy is my ally
@@DeviloftheHelll it be nice to see a friendly artificial intelligence for a change
The Kaylons seems more chill than thr krill. Also they have bigger guns and numbers.
The Orville's orchestral sound track is amazing.
Seth probably DEMANDED a full orchestra with an original piece per episode.
I was getting a lot of ID4 vibe in that BGM when the Kaylon ship was docking.
Anyone felt the imperial match vibe in the orchestral?
The musical score was foreboding and I love it. I am trying to figure out where I heard it before. I'm thinking star trek or star wars but it doesn't feel right.
Reminds on "The Empire strikes back"
I can sense the irony.
The Krill helps the Union defeat the Kaylon.
The Kaylon help the Union defeat the Krill.
The Kaylon help the Union defeat the Krill and the Moclan but yeah this is an ironci reverse of season 2 big battle situation
basically a 3 sided conflict- everyone has roughly equal galactic prowess. somebody needs to switch sides to upset the balance
Rich Burlew, in "How the Paladin Got His Scar": "There are only two sides. There are only ever two sides. The side that wants a war. And the side that does not."
@@johnhuffman9533 Can that be applied to World War I? Or the Russo Japanese War? Or the US Civil War?
@@treyhelms5282 Nations are usually composed of both "sides", pro- and anti-war, but at some point the pro-war side dictates policy on at least one side. WWI is an interesting case in that nobody necessarily wanted to start a global war but the system of alliances -- and bad timing, and bad statecraft -- turned a dispute between Serbia and Austria-Hungary into a slaughterhouse. I don't know much about the Russo-Japanese War but the Confederacy clearly threw down a gauntlet and the Union fumblingly picked it up; again, bad timing and a succession of bad generals turned the Union's inevitable victory into a four-year slaughterhouse with horrors on both sides.
Love the implication that the giant assed ships nuking everything in their way might be run just by a crew of three in a tiny little shuttle pod sized command module.
I think that was shown in the second season too.
They are robots, ships probably are run by one.
If they're like Geth the bodies are inactive and they are the ship itself while piloting
Artifical intelligence. All they have to do is link with the ship and they are the ship.
More than anything, the end of this episode proves to be a timeless example of what star trek and its federation were about before "discovery". The union showed that it was just as willing to forgive as it was to fight. Even let old enemies become friends.
And the Union has principles, that they stand by to the pain.
"The union showed that it was just as willing to forgive as it was to fight. Even let old enemies become friends."
They did the same thing on Discovery.
But also, like the Klingons would say: "Trust is EARNED - not given away." There's a reason Kelly is allowed to shoot him at the slightest betrayal or doubt.
Spoken like somebody who has not seen more than two episodes of Discovery
@@allnamesaretakenful STD is a nasty thing.
Best sci-fi series by far in the last decade. Seth is honoring Roddenberry and at the same time making his own epic. Can't wait for more.
the humor leaves a little to be desired but in pure story terms i agree
Does Star Trek better than the current official Star Trek.
It would be even better without Maloy playing the guitar and singning.
@@dominikdobrotic8298 there is something to be said for showing the characters being characters, but sometimes this show runs a bit too long on that part. It feels like it gets a bit *too* indulgent on some of the characters sometime.
It could also stand to use the scifi a bit more. For example in the one about Topa's gender restoration surgery, they missed a good opportunity for Topa to discover the truth after feeling something was off by using the machine that's used for simulating dead alien races using their DNA... or at least used it to see what she was meant to be.
Nope, just a really interesting bit of scifi tech that mattered so little, it and the b-plot it was involved in could've been deleted and nothing would've been missed.
@@InfernosReaper I have a strong suspicion that "extinct" race is going to pop up again in some form or another.
maybe as enemies, or maybe the reason they went extinct will come back to bite everyone's arse.
We already have seen multiple callbacks to stuff that happened in episodes further back in pretty big and fundamental ways (and minor as well).
I wouldn't be surprised if it got touched upon a season or two from now.
They seem to be gradually establishing lore and tech that they then can come back to at later point in time.
Former enemies often make the best of allies - They know eachother far better than anyone whom they've ever just been friends with.
If your enemies know you better than your allies know you... then were your enemies ever really your enemies.
Look at France during the war we were enemies but then became friends, and germans, Japanese & more
You know what I like about the Orville. The story telling, and the acting from everyone. Yeah great show, some jokes in their too.
* there
Fuck season 3
No 🤩☝️down with your social score
I love how they are disciplined to fulfill their duty and follow orders straight away
The music... damn! Thank you, Seth McFarlane for being a fantastic musician and bringing that passion with you. This was like listening to Star Wars.
Ikr
You all are acting like Seth is the composer here :)
I agree with the feel of the music. You almost feel like Palpatine is going to exit the Kaylon ship.
Parts are very reminiscence of some of the music used in Independence Day
the kaylon, seth's genius way of putting cylons in a "trek" universe 😄
battlestar galacticas boring though
Kaylon feel original honestly. I never think of cylons or borg. Same with moclans and klingons. I never think of the others when watching the Orville.
@@marloncebo242 yea like they fill the same narrative role but turn a couple of the cliches established by trek on its head.
But Star Trek already has the Pralor and Cravic from that one Voyager episode - s02e13 "Prototype"
Too bad it was only for a single episode...
Union: WE NEED TO BE FRIENDS TO FIGHT THE KAYLON! PLEASE!
KRILL: hostile take over bruh, sorry.
Moclan: we don't like women and cheat poorly, nah, ya on ya own.
Kaylon: you have created a weapon we cannot defend against and promised peace. Let's link up and fuck up some moclans and krill.
Peace via coercion of a weapon of mass destruction. Why does that sound familiar...?
It was epic! Best show on any platform right now-soooo good! Seth is a genius
When Seth MacFarlane's Star Trek fanfiction is better than the newer Star Trek.
I like the attention to detail in the conference room scene 1:51, where you can see both the Kaylon and Union fleet outside the windows facing the propper directions.
The massive flip in this season. The biggest threat and main villain becoming their new ally after two of their previous allies band together and force them against a common enemy. Holy fuck.
The way the Kaylons walk reminds me of C-3PO. An evil C-3PO capable of killing
Ever heard of C-3PX?
Its all in the arms, as some might say.
This was one of the best space battles I had ever seen in a sci-fi show
It felt like watching star wars espcially with the music
"We trust Isaac, we don't trust you!" Love it!
And remember she hated Isaac because of what he did. Shows how much she's grown since that time.
@@0doublezero0 it was so sad that she died at the end of season 3. i would loved having her for another season and getting happy again.
This episode was fantastic! I hope we all get a fourth season.
I never expected the Union to work with the Kaylon.
It makes sooo much more sense now than working with either the Krill or the Moclans... this story development was really brillant.
@@bellissimo4520 Yeah, the Krill and the Moclan are too toxic atm. Alliance with them would damage the core value of the Union, which is funny bc the Kaylon doesn't process any of the complications that would come with an advanced civilization, aside of bio-genocide that is.
This show is absolutely amazing! Great music, special effects, action scenes and interesting story lines. Even though the show is in HD the images are sharp and crystal clear on my 120 inch screen.
3:28 seconds worth of Orville content is better than any series Star Trek made in a decade.
0:50 the music is a great callback to 'Identity pt1, when the Kaylon fleet disembark for Earth.
This show is AWESOME! I only wish it was continuing beyond Season 3!
Where did you hear that season 3 will be the last?
@@keithallver2450 Hulu hasn't renewed (which only picked them up for season 3 after it was dropped by fox) and a number of the cast are already off working on other contracts. Macfarlane and Grimes started a Ted spinoff series for NBC's streaming service.
@@nikushim6665 Yeah, but had there been any actual statement from Hulu, or Seth MacFarlane that this is the last season?
If this is the last season, then my only hope is the writers and show runner go to Paramount plus. Because season three of the Orville has been some of the best episodic sci fi I have seen in a long time. They really knocked it out of the park. Hulu will loose a great anchor show.
Well let's hope that the Orville take the same turnover of Futurama, renew every next season as it was the last...it definitely deserve it
the soundtrack to this show is so damn good
Thank you, for a moment I thought no one else noticed. 😁
This show is absolutely incredible, but I can't understand why Disney couldn't provide 4K resolution.
My guess is they are doing the CGI scenes as cheaply as possible. HD rendering versus 4k rendering is quite a jump in budget size. Were any of the other seasons done in 4k?
If that is your bigger concern ,hope the Orville never get renew
I don't mind if the Orville look like TOS Star Trek as long it's give great storytelling , you got my subscription
I must have low standards. The shows special effects look fantastic to me
Well... I think not all is lost. Standard shooting is probably (most likely) done with 4K or more. Standard editing probably also. CGI could be rendered in HD to save time... but... if there will be time they can render CGI in 4k and just swap shots to render episode in 4K.
Because Disney is WOKE and does not want to hurt the feelings of 1080 HD Resolution!
1:32 great start to diplomacy
Ngl i wouldnt blame the kaylon if they shot her right there
As harsh and reckless Kelly can be with her retorts, I'd give this one a pass since Primary was clearly trying to show dominance and put down Ed's statement, which was clearly a formality and should have been logically followed by silence in agreement. Kelly had to put primary in his place. Compare that to her retort when primary admitted to be wrong which was way out of line for her and could have killed them all if the Kaylons logic based culture didn't give them the patience of a saint.
0:01 - 1:20 'The Orville' manages to create big space battle a la 'Star Trek' and 'Star Wars' and are doing so without the need of inventing a transporter 😉
Isaac should have transporter knowledge after living on that time-jumping planet.
Transporter was originally a cost saving contrivance. If original Star Trek had the budget or VFX were as cheap as they are now they would have taken a shuttle everywhere.
@@methos1999 But then we wouldn't have had evil Kirk or mirror universe evil Kirk. One thing though, when Sulu and his landing party were freezing to death on that planet because the malfunctioning transporter would have killed them...why didn't Kirk beam down some coal or firewood?
Transporter technology exists in Orville, but is outside of the Union's knowledge. I think only the Cavilons have access to that technology.
@@DeadFishFactory The inhabitants of Kandar 1 (the Kandarians) developed transporter tech and Isaac probably learned it from them.
I love that Seth McFarland made a better Star Trek than the 2 most recent Star Treks.
Amazing
This symbolises the twists and turns of politics.
My friend today is my enemy tomorrow and vice versa.
The enemy of my enemy may be my friend or enemy.
Read Italian history during the Middle Ages, your head will spin!
My enemies enemy is my enemies enemy, no more, no less. - number 29, The 70 Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries.
There are a fair few other Maxims that apply to the warring states period quite well too dispite them been written for a sci-fi web comic. Such as 13 "do unto others", 17 "the longer everything is going to plan, the bigger the inevitable disaster", 27 "don't be afraid to be the first to resort to violence" and my personal favourite, 30 "a little trust goes a long way. The less you use the further you'll go".
Yes let's go back in time so we can read italian history DURING the middle ages lol
Would have been interesting if they didn't involve the Kaylon, whose firepower in season 2 showed they could wipe out any ship with just one or two blasts.
It has to be said that the special effects shown here have been done to a very high standard, very commendable especially for a series.
Gotta say, those assembled Kaylon ships are scary as hell.
i legit had a panic attack.
Those Cyclopean "eyes" on the ships are pretty intimidating. And the mechanical efficiency with which they move and fight really makes me feel that they weren't built by or for anything organic. Of course the Star Wars-ish ominous music doesn't hurt.
A part of the music reminds me of the Independence Day background score
Listen to Gustav Holst: the planets, especially Mars, the Bringer of War, this is the inspiration for the Kaylon Theme.
i thought the same. "the darkes day" when the citidestroyers arrive has a similar tone to it.
Kelly Grayson: Diplomat Extraordinaire.
Space....The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the sci-fi adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contacts with strange new aliens and civilizations. To boldly go where no 'Nu Trek' has gone before!
So true, Orville is more GR version of ST. than most to current ST. The only exception is captain pike series…. So far. Not sure if cbs writers will butcher it in the later seasons.
@@thomaslee2765 Agree w/you. SNW is the exception of the live 'Nu Trek' series. Although of course it remains to be seen whether the next season would be as good. I don't know how to make of the rumored SNW - Lower Decks crossover episode 😄😊
Holy crap that music is epic! I wish I could watch The Orville on TV… :(
Sounded kinda familiar, until I realised where I heard it before - the aliens theme from Independence Day.
@@rendezvouzwithrama Yup, exactly what I associated the music with.
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It's kinda obnoxious and doesn't change rhythm with what is happening in the scene.
This clip is intriguing, will watch this episode when I have some free time!
Anyone else think the Kaylon ships are based on Eliksni Servitors from Destiny?
Kind of miss when this show was about a mediocre ship with a mediocre crew led by a captain on his second chance. Now the Orville is practically the Union's flagship given it's always at the center of everything.
It's also the unofficial flagship series of the 'Trek' universe - if we define 'Star Trek' very broadly - including those produced by Paramount and those that don't 😉
It's called progressive storytelling. Yes, The Orville was just another ship in the fleet. But through the Crew's adventures with all the adversaries, the Admiralty entrusted The Orville crew to bridge the gap in diplomatic affairs. It raises the stakes and grows the crew to be immensely capable Planetary Union Officers/Soldiers/Representatives
Orville is one of the few that survived the Battle of Earth. They're not being promoted above others, most of those others are likely dead
@@toddkes5890 Yes and No. I agree that they are one of the few who survived and many high rankers died. but given the fact that there are quiet a few admirals I don't think they are at the top. My biggest idea why they became top dog is because of their many successful missions and most likely, this time, because of Isaac and the fact that they made "The weapon" (which is not out of ordinary or simple plot convenience, given that weapon won't be made without Kaylon's superintelligence and a being, who can think in 4 dimensions, Charly). So, given that this 2 important figures are on Orville and captain being very successful diplomat, they became the pivotal point of this conflict.
PS. in this season they even justified Orville being pivotal point for Union vs Krill conflict(which most likely would be next season), by making Ed father of Anaya.
Edit: it's not that they are best of the best. They simply are right people at the right time.
@@dodgers2213 by design or accident?
0:50 Another happy landing.
The design of the kylon ships are quite beautiful. They look like efficient eye balls and the red colour reminds me of Hal from 2001 a space Odessy
What bugs me is that where I live, The Orville used to be on a free channel, broadcast over the air, but now it's on pay TV!
That happened everywhere sadly - Hulu acquired them after season 1 or 2, and this was the result.
We need another 10 series, at least.
God I loved this episode especially the ending, Amanda I’m here, cue the tears
I really appreciate Kelly. "Just stay on my good side and we'll be fine." 🤭😁😄
the most mindblowing alliance does'nt exi....
The soundtrack gives me Star Wars vibes.
Yeah I got that especially with the small fighter ship battle down on the planet.
I love that show
I love Kelly, she doesn't hold back, with anyone!
Loved this scene ❤️
I just love the bit where Kaylon Primary's shuttle detaches from the Sphere and reconfigures itself for flight :)
I can feel the tension of the kaylon following orders, but walking the razor's edge of feeling like they're being subjugated by organics again.
Reminds me of the DS9 episode To The Death where (spoilers)
the crew of the defiant teamed up with the Jem’Hadar to blow up an iconian gateway
When I saw that episode, I immediately thought of a perfect counter to fields that neutralize electric weapons. An Evo 3, M4, or a good old shotgun would have been perfect for that episode.
"We do have posteriors, but we do not have anal sphincters. Where were you 'kicking' exactly?" -hypothetical snarky Kaylon response
😂
Holy Wow That looks So Incredibly Awesome 😻
I like how it's completely unnecessary for the Kaylon to move their arms when walking. But they do this sort of arm wiggle as if to look more impressive or something lol. It's cute. 1:12 If AI takes over, I hope our AI is as cute as this. Though... hopefully they just take charge and don't kill us all. I mean, I sympathize with the kaylon... but I also think they killed a lot of innocent people that did not need to die.
The arms swaying is an integral part for the stability in natural bipedal locomotion. Even if you think you don't you will always sway your arms while walking or running , even if it's just a little bit. If the kaylons were programmed with the same algorythm for moving they will sway their arms too and since their stance is so rigid they compensate with a more conspicuous swaying of the arms, it's in their programming. And also since they're played by ordinary people, the movement just comes naturally.
@@coolbionicle True, but we can 100% program robots with full upper body stability for better combat accuracy while advancing. And kaylon have made themselves into combat robots. So it seems unlikely they would have an arm wiggle.
That Soundtracks remind me of something else.. Cant remember. Another series?
The union fleet is so massive that even the heavy cruisers look small, i need to see a dreadnought in the back behind it all
This season plot is unpredictable... Wow.!!!
And a little too quick in setting up bizarre alliances with a "species", a bunch of robots, whose goal is to destroy anything biological - as shown several times over - but always opts to give people am option to "surrender or die", which was brought up loosely in "Identity" but quickly forgotten about. Especially when the Kaylon were shown to be far more powerful.
Agreed. The Charlie arc was useful to highlight and define the other characters. I hadn't even considered she would least only one season. Im a strong fan of multi episode characters who die. It raises the stakes. It gives the deaths real impact. Their deaths are not cheesey or funny.
I wish we had known some of the other characters who died by having bit scenes and background extra scenes so their deaths matter.
I was actually sort of hoping the Kaylon war would stick, and that we'd see some epic battle footage against them, that someone might use in a Robot Riot video.
i'm really happy that the kaylon are the ones who are allied with the union. they are clearly the best option being the most technologicaly and socitialy advanced. The only issue were some pretty fair assumptions as they lacked enough outside info
Just curious, what's the name of the ship in the painting at 3:06?
The US merchant vessel Enterprise? Probably wrong, but it would be a clever way to put in such an homage.
Thought when Kelly said just stay on my good side, Primary was going to ask which side was her good side lol
Is this a movie? Seriously, what is this CGI budget? That team did phenomenal work!
Why is every science fiction show the same? A million ships on one side and a million ships on the other?
This reminds me of a scene from Stargate Atlantis. Wraiths and Atlantis team working together against a common enemy.
Wow this looks awesome ✌️
Thing is, once a genie is out of the bottle, it's impossible to put it back into the bottle. Just the knowledge that such a weapon is possible means that others could quickly redevelop it so taking the device back only delays the situation. Also, it's clear that the weapon exploits some failsafe built into the Kaylons so presumably counter measures could also be quickly developed and applied as a security patch. The cat is already out of the bag with this weapon, both replication by others and effective counter measures are now inevitable.
Ultimate TIE-fighter
Isn't that the something i forgot from mass effect 2 where it gets inside Normandy's cargo bay lol
The enemy of my enemy is my friend
The music theme sound so much like the Empire from the SW (or am i getting crazy?)
The Orville season 3 was peak sci fi. I REALLY hope we get another couple of seasons like New Horizons.
"Stay on my good side". I haven't watched this episode exactly, but I'm now afraid of what she'll do if she's angry.
_The last frame_
“Very well” *explodes*
Funny how The Orville does Trek better than Trek now.
'Seth-Trek' beats 'Nu Trek' 10 to 1 😆😅
rear right kaylon is malfunctioning, its not walking in sync with kaylon primary.
The music was so epic
this is a good scene
will the ever be another series of the Orville ??? hope so .
me too
I have said it before, and I will say it again: there is simply no reason why these ships would be this close together, other than, _"looks cool, derp!"_ DS9 did it, and then more recent Star Trek shows did it, too, and now The Orville. And it looks dumb every time. It destroys the illusion that this is a real situation.
agreed
I like to close my eyes and pretend Brian Griffen is the captain.
why is it just 3 ship types with the exact same design profile? (the human fleet)
lower cost CGI
@@DaBinChe fair but couldn't they have made a ship that doesn't look so... dumb(?) XD (and no i have absolutely no idea what the orville is other then i think its star trek of some form)
@@darkdruidsvale still comes down to budget
@@DaBinChe true I’m just a stickler when it comes to this kinda fleet setup
@@darkdruidsvale it's a star trek piss take essentially but written by a true fan of star trek so while it takes the piss, it also honors alot of the base concept. The lack of distinction in ship designs is to my knowkedge a purposeful in joke based on how star trek basically only had like 3 core models and just glued extra bits on them when they needed something different, so they did the exact same thing except with cgi, a true homage.
I remember watching this and thinking that you can feel the pure fear the krill and moclans felt when the kaylon fleet appear during the battle
What's the big deal with destroying the weapon? Did the Planetary Union only build one of them? If so, can't they build more?
From what I understand this is the type of weapon that only someone like Charley could build because without her special skills no one else can do it.
Issac & Charlie created a weapon that was able to destroy kaylon using a frequency disruptor that destroys ties between each kaylon themselves. They cannot build more because no blueprints were ever made by Issac or Charlie.
@@FreeScripts "What do you call that machine you're riding in, Mr. Ford?"
"I call it an automobile."
"You should build more of them. You'll be rich."
"I can't. I forgot to make blueprints."
In reality more of the weapon can usually be built unless it is hideously expensive or require some rare component.
I think in this show the rare component is Charlie's brain. Others can duplicate the weapon physically but can't configure it to be useful.
@@macmcleod1188 They don't have a currency system in place in the Orville. Issac can look through several dimensions of space but chooses not to. It's a tad bit confusing but it's how that works.
Primary: On the contrary, Isaac has proven he is not to be trusted.
Burke: We trust Isaac.
Isaac: Skill issue, Primary.
I need this soundtrack in the beginning!
It's here: th-cam.com/video/mdlsAwrqiTM/w-d-xo.html
@@wholock982 Thank you!
Return of The Jedi Like he he he xd
Outstanding ❤
I hope maybe the next seasons, they'll added 1 or 2 new class of ships for more ship diversity.
They kinda similar with replicators of the SGA
Must have had a half dozen lawyers going over the musical score to make sure it did not exactly copy Star Wars 😂
Parody is at its best when it takes itself seriously.
Isaac is my favorite character, the writing sticks true to an android's thinking........glad he didn't get emotions.
He would have been funny with emotions on the bridge, lol.
I really wish that I could include a species I created for my old Sci-Fi series into The Orville universe.
They were engineered inorganic lifeforms, created as tools to terraform planets. Unlike the Kaylon's creators, the creators of these lifeforms (known as the Intermediaries, the Inert, Catalysts, or just Gray) were jovial and benevolent. They cherished any and everything they made, seeing destruction as an unfortunate compromise for even greater creation. The Gray were their magnum opus, with a collective mind that was built into the fabric of time and space itself. Each individual was nigh indestructible and physically imposing, but, like their creators, unwaveringly benevolent. Each individual specialized in some form of planet crafting, some with scopes as massive as planetary rotational speed, magnetosphere generation, and continental crafting, others as minute as genetic restructuring, atmospheric composition, and atomic weaving. Each job was as equal with another, and with their collective, they could not only tap into the skills and experience of another, but even interchange minds as needed.
While they could throw mountains, crush stone, and consume metal, they didn't understand the concept of war or violence. If any would wish to do them harm, they'd ignore it. If they prevented their progress, they'd curl up into a ball and wait. If they threatened another lifeform, they'd wall them off. They speak, not with words, but with understanding, comprehending speech, emotions, thoughts, and reasons on instinct.
Gettin mass effect flashbacks
I wanna see the rest of this episode!
Does anyone wonder why they Kaylon insist on humanoid form and atmospheric conditions inside their own ships?
The kaylon were build by alienoid beings similar to humanoids. The Kaylon also require space to control their ships and probably use an auto-pilot to assist with certain functions.
@@FreeScripts except they are logical beings, it make no sense why they make themselves in human form when they could choose a better form then again, the writters don't know a better form so they make do with what they have
@@tentailmadara2500 They were created by Alienoid beings. Similar to humans. The Kaylon do not want to change what they were built to look like as it makes them unique. As well as walking on 2 feet is most efficient.
@@tentailmadara2500 Most known biological sentients are humanoid. their technology is more easily accessible by humanoids, at least at first until a direct connection has been created.
As for atmospheric conditions inside their ships, who is to say that they continuously keep those? They could create an atmosphere compatible to the outside whenever they need to.
As to why do that with every ship? Sometimes you don't have the time to wait to have the necessary tools at hand, so bring them with you all the time. The Union ships are prepared for ground missions and have the equipment for those with them even if their current mission does not call for them. And that includes heavy gravity suits. Sure, you could always 'make' them as needed, but sometimes you don't have the time for that.
Being prepared is being smart and you don't always have to improvise everything.
Even without taking biologicals in account, keeping an atmosphere inside your ship makes sense for robots. The vacuum of space acts as a perfect insulation, meaning the heat generated by electronics can only disperse through radiation, causing heat sinks and ventilators to become useless.
Commander Grayson just let loose in this episode. No time to chill.