HELP! Is the FabFilter PRO L2 worth the HYPE?!
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⌚️ Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:25 - Mix Bus Limiter
0:39 - Why I use a Mix Bus Limiter
3:25 - Sonnox Oxford Limiter
4:30 - FabFilter Pro L2
6:16 - iZotope Maximizer
7:40 - Comparing all 3 Limiters
10:55 - Final Thoughts
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thanks for this vid!
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Thanks so much for the kind words and all the support, John!! I truly appreciate it!
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after youtube mashes it a bit its just a transient clarity thing, im just getting smearing details the oxford is sharper the izo flatter and the fab duller lol, the sonnox bounces out better to mp3
I love the Fab filter stuff. I add a clipper first and chop off snares and then add a limiter and I am golden.
I put a clipper before my limiter about 98.99% of the time, saturate those peaks and then limit them.😎
I will suggest you take a look at TDR Limiter 6 GE - I love it on the 2-bus
L2 works just as good
Nice video. I own all three of these and a few more limiters, but these are the three I use. Typically I use them for color. I don't think one is better than the other, just different.
Like you I like the Oxford because it has a thickening affect when needed. Sometimes that isn't what one is going for though and that is where the Pro-L2 comes in. I'll use the Pro-L2 when I want something cleaner. It sounds more like the source material.
Whenever I master something I'll use either placed before the Ozone Maximizer. I typically like to split the reduction between two limiters. Personally I think it sounds better. According to the genre I'll sometimes use a Clipper before the limiters to shave a few peaks off to gain more perceived volume if the artist wants it. Typically that will be Big Clipper by Boz Digital.
I saw you had the Ozone set to -9 Lufs.
Is that your normal target?
I would checkout elevate and have all 3 in my tool list , the ox , pro L and elevate
In my experience Pro L2 is kind of flat, which could be a good thing. Ozone Maximizer has a better texture or depth, but I don't like the layout/metering. I'd never used the Oxford Limiter, but I feel like it sounded the best out of the 3. Hilariously, my mastering chain ends with a Waves L2 into a Fabfilter ProL2.
That’s some great insight! I also think the Pro L2 fell a little behind the others. At least for this particular song. And that’s awesome, I do see folks using two limiters back to back. Thanks so much for watching!
I use a multiband comp from mcdsp, which feeds into two L2 Limiters. The limiters are split into stereo left and right so that if there is a major floor tom hit it doesn't attenuate. Granted in a master that shouldn't be happening lol, but this is a neat trick to making the L2 sound more acoustic like its hardware counterpart. I then mute the right channel on the first limiter and mute the left channel on the second limiter so that left and right is split across the two limiters. Some would say why not just split one limiter? For whatever reason the trick in making it sound more open and relaxed and forgiving is doing it the aforementioned way, who knew? While some limiters which endless controls can be useful, I find using a simple set and forget limiter usually is more helpful to the mix, the less done with peak limiting the better, IMHO.
I think in this way of using the limiter (which I do the same thing in mixing) you might have to slightly re-adjust your mix after you add the limiter. After all it is a new element added to the EQ/Comp/Saturation process. I think you could even end up adding a little bit more punch to your mix by readjusting after the limiter is added. Limiters love to boost bottom end which messes up the mix a little. A 2-buss EQ before the limiter may also be needed to compensate for what you don't like after the limiter gets a hold of it. All of these limiters presented in the video will work, I think it may be a process of what you are sending to the limiters. BTW - One of my favorite Nashville mixers (Jeff Balding) swears by the Oxford.
I was pretty impressed by the free Limited Z limiter by LVC-Audio...very nice and clean (though it has other options) just as the Pro L2 as far as the colour, also they have a paid version. Great to throw on when using serial limiting.
I will have to check out the Z Limiter! Thanks so much for watching!
@@emily_bowie Great! I would love to hear your thoughts on it. Also, I have been watching your vids but finally subscribed😎
It's an OK limiter. I like the brickwall limiter from tc electronic
Thanks so much, Mandy! I will have to try that one out next!
Personally, Smart:Limit by Sonible replaces FabFilter or Ozone Max for various reasons. Best mix buss limiter in my humble opinion.
I’ve been using it since it came out and couldn’t be happier. Love it.
Hi Emily, enjoying the channel. The Oxford limiter seems to add some mid-range crunch and presence which can definitely help some tracks but doesn't seem to fit this one. It seemed to make the vocals "pokey", as you like to say. The fabfilter was pretty decent, I agree with you on the "modern" seeing, but it didn't do a lot for me. Maybe it's a better limiter for stems and busses. I thought the iZotope fit this track the best, surprisingly. The vocal seemed to sit in the mix much better and the top end, especially in the sides, like the ride cymbal, sounded much clearer, a little more air in there. I don't know, that's just my two cents. Anyway, keep up the good work!
Hey Oscar! Yep, I think you’re right. I definitely share the same thoughts as you. Thanks so much for sharing!
There all good, try smart limiter by sonible it's really great you love it 😀
Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts! I will have to try the Sonible!
I use Fab and Ozone and both are good, but it all depends on Genre, the recording and many other factors that makes the song. For this one, I think Ozone is the winner (for my taste), I hear more clarity and separation in the mix.
I think you’re absolutely right, Joe. They can all shine on different types of songs. And that might be the main take away of this and that it is good to have options. I also think the Ozone Maximizer sounds great on this particular track. And many others! Thanks so much for watching!
Great video, they all sound different.
Sure do! Lots of different options for different styles of music. Thanks for watching and letting me know your thoughts, Malik!
Hello Emily ok personally I thought the Oxford sounds the more colourful I can hear more dynamic range but the fab filter did even out the track slightly better and izotope was very similar to fab but on a personal level I like the Oxford it sounds more natural to me and not squashed I personally use hear in England IK MULTI MEDIA MASTERING SUITE for all my mix n mastering thanks for sharing best wishes Phil 👍🌹🌹
I had very similar reactions to them. It might just come down to the song. I do have the IK MultiMedia Mastering too. I’ll have to bring that back out and compare it! Thanks so much for watching!
@@emily_bowie your welcome 🌹👍
Confession up front: I have only demo'ed FabFilter stuff... because I can't afford to get their whole series of excellent plugins! Oxford Limiter was my go-to limiter too for a while. I find the Ozone/Izotope just OK. PA's TruePeak is a good option; also sonible's smart:limit which, using their AI, almost feels like cheating! But it's also sneakily and easily customizable. The one I probably still underuse, especially for a modern sound, is Newfangled Audio's Elevate!
Lots of great input, Bj! Someone else mentioned the Sonible. I’ll have to check that out in a follow up video! Thanks so much for watching!
Kind of a toss up between the Maximizer and FabFilter Pro L2
I agree that the Oxford is beefier. But it doesn't put out the clarity on your top end as the other two.
I personally own both the Maximizer and FabFilter Pro L2.
I tend to use the FabFilter Pro L2 more. Mostly because I'm used to FabFilter's stuff.
I purchased their Total Bundle, which includes the L2 Pro. I use almost all of the included software titles, especially the Pro-Q 3.
The maximizer is mostly used for mastering.
So if I were going to make a recommendation, my choice would be FabFilter. They've knocked it out of the park with all of their stuff in my opinion. Getting the Total Bundle was the best option for me as buying the ones I for sure wanted would have cost me 400 more than what I paid for the whole bundle.
I have very similar thoughts! Thanks so much for sharing, John!
Sonnox all the way
Sonnox has its own sound IMO... that's why I never really liked it. Fabfilter sounds more transparent to me. But the newer multiband limiters like DMG Limitless or Newfangled Elevate are better
If you need any good country songs for TH-cam content let me know.
Hi Kyle, if you have anything you’d like to share, I am down!