Star Wars: New First Order Dreadnought and Walker Revealed - Spacedock Captain's Log
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ส.ค. 2017
- I give my thoughts on the new First Order Dreadnought and Assault Walker.
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Just got new information: I was right, the Dreadnought is in fact a dedicated siege platform, and most likely not Snoke's flagship.
Yeah, for those reading this there is a Q&A on the official Star Wars website with the designer of the Dreadnought and Walker.
I still holding hope that Snoke's ship is the Eclipse.
that would be cool as hell
Spacedock the eclipse already exists, it was, or is, an executor class SSD that was secreted into the Unknown Regions by Gallious Rax.
What if in the v sections near the circular portion in the middle is possibly the launch bays. Like it's glowing orange. Maybe Idk
The pitched angular design of the original Stardestroyers was intended to give turbo-laser batteries a clear field of fire with out interfering with one another. Point the nose of a Stardestroyer at an enemy capitol starship and guns from the top and bottom can be brought to bear on the same target.
Flat level surfaces such as on this "dreadnaught" will not give you the same field of fire. Might even be so ineffective as to have a single Starfighter swoop in and clear off all the dreadnaughts defenses.
:P
Pynaegan Hahaha I see what you did there mate!
Pynaegan That's EXACTLY what happened in the movie...
This thing doesn't even have turbolasers to give a field of fire to. It literally has like 12 point defense turrets and thats it. Garbage ship.
@@Technogeist1987 jup, tbh most starwars ship designs dont make much sense, thats why they invetend the tarkin doctrine. Its just a way to get away with the stupid designs.
To clearify: not being amazing or perfect isnt a problem, but designs that dont make sense is a problem.
the pizza-slice class dreadnought.
lactose and style free, cuz they asked them to design another ship thats
basically just a fancy triangle and they cant be bothered.
It doesn't have even one ounce of grace going for it...
For a bit extra, you can get a new top-of-the-line stuffed crust pattern bridge.
Axon it's the ugliest ship I've ever seen to be honest coolest part about it is the massive guns other than that it looks like shit
Maybe with some sort of dorsal structure that merged with the bridge section in the back, it would look better.
Ships don't have to look pretty, look at most modern vessels. They aren't pretty.
And as a dedicated siege platform I can see it being ugly
I'm no expert, but does the first order really have the resources to build a dreadnought just for orbital bombardment?
They had enough resources to empty out a planet and build a sun-sucking super death ray in it, while keeping all of that work secret from the Republic and the Resistance. So, yes, I think that have enough petty cash to create task specific ships. ((I hope you can feel the sarcasm.))
DeathmasterSniktch I applaud the sarcasm
you have to remember the galactic empire held trillions and trillions of Galactic Credits. I'd imagine even after they fell they managed to retain a fairly sizable chunk of that cash.
Takashi 125 Except the fact that 90% of the Empire surrendered peacefully
Well they did spend 29 years hiding in uncharted space, with limitless access to untouched resources from god knows how many uncharted worlds.
Dreadnought lol yeah ok
Just send one fighter job done lol
Poes x wing did have a modification that improved it's speed and maneuverability, but yeah lol
there's NO EXCUSE for that scene. Pure straight up incompetence and piss poor writing -.-
The ship is interesting in how it looks very different from the normal destroyer designs. It's so FLAT.
Booo
Going to need Bacta for that burn...
ItburnswhenI Pee Thankfully an unpopular opinion
A lot like a secutor SD, look that up, also very flat
WilhelmScreamer the major flaw with a destroyer (or weapons platform, in this case) being flat is that it exposes the reactor more. The Acclamator cruisers and the Venator-class, Imperial I and II-class, and Resurgent-class Destroyers all slope up to the bridge. Because the reactor is underneath that slope, it is well-protected.
Even though the Mandator-IV is a bad design, I still find it interesting, personally.
SPACEDOCK: "I'm glad it's not this gargantuan ridiculous 28000m ship"
Snoke: Hold my beer
So why can't the New Republic build its own walkers and capital ships? You know, like they did during the Clone Wars?
O R- That's something that annoys me. This new trilogy seems to think the good guys have to always be the underdogs. During the Clone Wars, the Republic had one of the best armies in the galaxy backed up by a big damn fleet and some of the coolest vehicles I've ever seen. And yet they're still acting like they're' the rebellion with the whole "rag tag band of heroes thing". It's been thirty years, I'd have hoped they invested some money in building a new military.
"During the Clone Wars, the Republic had one of the best armies in the galaxy backed up by a big damn fleet and some of the coolest vehicles I've ever seen." You mean the Republic under the Chancellor, what's his name . . . Palpatine. Who saw the program be worked on at first. And then look to the Galactic Empire under the Emperor, what the hell was his name . . . Palpatine, wasn't it?
I don't know why, but I feel there may be a link as to why during the Clone Wars the Republic had a huge army with lots of equipment to the Empire immediately following which . . . had all the same equipment and just iterated on the designs some more towards the design paradigm of having disposable human(oid) resources.
The reason the New Republic in the current canon doesn't have it is probably because they didn't want to appear like they were pulling an "in with the new boss, same as the old boss" thing.
kerminde- Even if they were worried about that, at least invest in some decent firepower to protect your people. People like Leia and Poe knew the First Order was out there and that they weren't gonna just sit there. But very few listened.
Well they did get new X-Wing models, by what I can tell having more improvements over the older ones. I doubt the 'Resistance' has shown all of what it has access to.
Because Disney are idiots
4:30 It's a perfect bull's eye for self detonating bombers.
The new AT-AT looks like a fucking silverback guerrilla
that seems to be their intention, yes
In the original series, we had the chicken walker. Now we have the Harambe walker!
I thought the front legs made it look like a Groundsloth Zoid.
Like it would reach up, and swat at fighters...
spudomupit that's the point Sargent
Damn it! The only Competent captain the fist order had was on that ship and he went down like a punk because of General Hux's ineptitude.
the target is too small captain hux...
Daniel: I'm really glad the dreadnought isn't just some 28 thousand meter long ship.
That aged like fine wine.
So this is really bare-bones and hastily edited, and higher-production episodes are kinda the norm on Spacedock, so if you guys don't really like this format then let me know, just wanted to get my opinions out there, but it is very slap-dash.
Any chance for Elite or SC ships?
Spacedock I like this, fresh unscripted, good job!
I can dig this. You have a good reputation for talking about space ships and looking them over. Additionally, you don't talk for fucking 20 minutes about one image and endlessly speculating.
I don't know.. But to me looks like that tower on that Dreadnought can rotate?
Spacedock...... It's cool. It's breaking news, no time to get fancy. My channel doesn't even have graphics....... yet. This ship will bring pizza.... I mean peace to MY NEW EMPIRE!!!
the dreadnought looks like a and incterdictor minus the large gravity wells and two big cannons on the bottom.
an interdictor minus the gravity wells is called a vindicator
plus these small interdictors are called immoilizers
nerd mode off
ok thanks i didn't know that
Cheers!
always a pleasure
The bridge of that dreadnought reminds me of range-finding binoculars.
Say what you want, Lucas's SW movies had much more interesting and cool ship designs than the post Lucas SW movies. These designs look either very derivative of the Lucas era movies or just plain vanilla. This Dreadnought literally looks like a slice of pizza!
Well watching after the last jedi, this dreadnaught is a POS at the ease it was destroyed in the movie. Does it have a Come Blow Me up like easy so we can get on the movie?
The same with Snokes boomerang flagship.
I also think so, i mean the whole "jumping to hyperspace and flying into snokes fleet" thing was f#cking awesome and all, but i would have loved to see the ship Survive for the next movie.
I like this kinda format; it reminds me of US Commentators in the Cold War looking over the USSR's Victory Parades and spotting new aircraft and equipment being displayed.
Is it a coincidence that I saw this video in my feed as soon as my pizza got delivered? I think not.
This format is quite enjoyable. It's nice to get your input and thus another video from you more often than once a week roughly. More content is always good in your case.
Love timely updates like this. Keep 'em comin'.
The more spacedock I can get, the better! I like getting your take on sci-fi news so keep it up. :)
I can't believe the Dreadnought went out so easily
So in 2 years are we going to just get a bigger starkiller base that's half-built above a jungle planet with some fuzzy mammals on? Because that seems to be how predictable these new movies are going to be?
It's original, I seen it
That would have been soooooo much better then what we got.
@@edwardteach3000 I didn't know how right I was going to be
@@U_C_G And don't you regret it?
@@U_C_G It's amazing because a lot of the "fans" loved to trash ROTJ for "redoing the Death Star", which was one element the Disney Trilogy was going to fix. Fast forward to Death Star Planet, Death Star Battering Ram Cannon, and Death Star Cannon Star Destroyers, and it's clear who did and didn't have the imagination to move beyond planet-killing laser systems.
The walker looks like a mechanized Harambe/Quasimodo and the Dreadnought looks like a slice of thin crust pizza with a giant Nerf dart launcher on the bottom.
I love this format. Please make more
very nice, i like this log style video format, please by all means do more of them.
I wouldn't mind seeing more of these rapid fire commentary videos, but am I the only one who doesn't like the look of either of the new vehicles?
So far, I'm really disappointed with the First Order's 'just make it a shitton bigger' approach. To me, the walker's rather primal look doesn't seem to really fit with the whole imperial aesthetic, and that dreadnought with its massive bridge section just looks plain ugly. It's a raised bar mounted on a triangle.
Also, I know Star Wars is a setting where you ignore how much everything costs to produce, but wouldn't giving them sleek, top of the line but smaller and rarer military equipment alongside holdovers from decades ago give them a more imperial remnant feel?
Agreed the design of both of them is pretty sub-par
Lord Caelvanir yet, being a remnant, they managed to completely transform a planet into a super death star. The amount of resources and tech required is ridiculous
Sultan yes i agree. The gorilla at-at is just wrong.
I dont see empire remnant. I see a try to do a fanfic of star wars. Just really wtf. At-at was already great.
They could have just put more guns and make it bigger. Now it looks retarded and a hero boss fight from mega man
For the dreadnought. It just look awful. The others were good. Not that one except if it was an interdictor classe maybe. Plainly sucks for design.
This doesnt feel like star wars. It feels like an amateur try hard.
Even kotor or legends had better design
The new dreadnought really doesn't look all that great with that oversized bridge section and I can't help but imagine, that this thing will launch itself to a neighboring star system with those autocannons, because the ship doesn't look like it would have enough space for thrusters big enough to counter the recoil from them.
What I do understand and kind of like though, is the decision to make the top almost completely flat. When designing the Vehicles for the First Order, Kevin Jenkins (the design supervisor for TLJ) envisioned them to be impervious to the weapons and tactics the rebels from the original trilogy employed, that's why the new AT walks like a gorilla; they're supposed to be immune to tow cables. That is also why I don't dislike the dreadnought as much: They seem to have almost no turbolasers or ion cannons for ship-to-ship combat, and instead rely on about 50 point-defense lasers, because they know the rebels (and thus by extension, the resistance) rely heavily on starfighters and -bombers and the empire lost, because they underestimated them. Now if you were to put those PD guns on a tiered design like the ISD II, about half of the guns couldn't fire at incoming X-Wings if they were to come from anywhere but the front, because the bridge would be in the way. Now imagine, if the surface was flat: It would look hideous, sure, but all turrets could effectively cover each other all at once. (just ignore, that a bridge that's sperate from the superstructure is still a very dumb move)
Edit: didn't mean to write that much...
That bowl thing in the middle is obviously the ships weak point where the hero of the movie is going to shoot a single laser and blow the whole thing up
Not quite, but close enough.
Nah man this was really cool. Adds a new dimension to your channel and to be fair, while I NOW expect nothing less than the quality productions you have made, this format for these sort of "Ooo check this thing out" speculation and kinda of news setting is just that. You are making due with what little information is available but presenting something fresh on the scene.
Keep it up!
They confirmed that this is not Snokes super dreadnaught
Oh cool, do you have a source for that you can link?
Spacedock www.starwars.com/news/inside-two-deadly-new-first-order-vehicles-from-the-last-jedi. Interview with Kevin Jenkins, he helped create both of the new vehicles.
Cheers dude. :)
I feel the best bet is on the Eclipse for the flagship.
Tsar hoho agreed that’s the only one that looks good besides the original star destroyer
Not a terrible format. I didn't know about this news and was glad to get the info as well as your thoughts. Thanks Dan!
Really enjoy your videos! Thank you!
Where on Yavin does the First Order get the funding and support to be able to build ships like this and even the StarKiller base?! It seems almost ridiculous that a fringe group that would be something like an 'Imperial rebellion group' would be able to create such facilities. I'd like to see instead that the Imperial remnants would be like the ragtag fleet the rebellion had - old TIE fighters, interceptors and bombers, some somewhat-poorly maintained Imperial class and one or two Victory class Star Destroyers, a handful of Imperial corvettes or gunships. More caution in conserving men and material, so hit and run tactics and some hidden bases... A reversal of situations for the Empire (or what's left of it)...
I guess you could say "this Dreadnought will make a fine addition to my collection" Of favourite dreadnoughts
I like this format because you look deeper than just it's looks like some other star wars news channels do. You look at the equipment's place in the whole First Order Navy and how it can be put to good use.
I think it's cool kind of video. It shows what thinking process you follow to evaluate ships and gear
loving it! - keep those coming!
So interesting and informative, thank you for sharing!
My pleasure. :)
With the docking emplacement for a Resurgent-class Star Destroyer on the ventral side... This 'ship' may actually be a sort of siege module for the Resurgent-class. I'd love to see how it looks with the Resurgence-class docked.
I like your impromptu ad lib podcast. It's fun to shake things up a little.
These new Vehicles remind me of the A-10 Warthog. A vehicle built around a Massive weapon (Or 2) Nice to see the First Order is actually having new Ideas.
really nice video man
can't believe how peofessional these youtubers are, they almost always got the right point, judging what is a mistake, the importance and even final plots sometimes
Re Unscripted News: This is very welcome. Quick, to the point, and a digest of a larger news source for those of us with less time and attention. Regardless that you were the first to bring this to my attention, keep it up!
Wow that was pretty quick, even just for a thoughts video
Yep, but every time I look at it it's gonna irritate me that the brightness is low and there are now slow zooms lol. Rattling off low-effort videos isn't really what I want to do, but hitting stuff while it's in the news will help the channel.
It was a good video, you should do more in the future for sure !!
I actually really like liked this video considering it's non scripted and quickly put together great job
I enjoyed this format Daniel
I like the news burst. Makes you more personable, and not just a "infobot" telling me about the latest Sci-fi vehicle.
You do a awsome job at that, btw. It is why I am both subbed and patreoned with you.
But a video here and there, that isnt a expertly edited and informative breakdown of *insert vehicle here* sounds fun.
Nice prediction you were right on the mark
Hey, spacedock! I wanted to say that this is a good format for a video. I would imagine that it is easier to make than your main series but this kind of format can be as interesting. Also it helps to fill in the spaces between your main videos. I hope that the feedback helps and have a good one!
Nice and Quick.
Just like a normal episode, I like it very much.
Greetings from Germany :D
love the news burst format
Love your content!
Nice vid, it's a good addition to the library, but won't replace propper vids.
Thanks.
I love your intro music!
We go from giant metal camels to giant metal gorillas?! Wha-wh- what?
That walker looks like an Elcor from Mass Effect :D
That's an AT-M6 (all-terrain-mega-caliber-6). Its mega caliber 6 turbolaser cannon brings the power of an
ISD-2 to the ground. Its meant to break threw high strength shields, and its 4 legs are built to stabilize the walker when firing the cannon.
That large blaster cannon on the top of the walker looks like it can swivel up and down, which would mean it could also be used as mobile anti-aircraft artillery
I was hoping you'd cover the new design, so thumbs up on the "news blast" video.
AT M6 walker and first order drednought is awesome
The Dreadnought definitely seems to be a bombardment specialist. The fact that they call the big guns autocannons instead of super-turbo-lasers implies that those things are mass drivers.
Sean Wadey It also make sense, since we know that Star Wars shields do not react really well against kinetic weapons.
I think that a planetary shield would not resist long against them.
It would be funny if in the film they call them AMAC (Auto Magnetic Accelerated Cannons).
I actually like this format of video.
Love this new style!!!
love these
After hearing that Quasar-Fire size part, I was just 😦.
Looks like a giant Vindicator-class Heavy Cruiser.
Loving the designs! Can't wait for this movie to come out!!!
A planetary bombardment, that's actually something we never got to see in the original or prequel trilogies. Though that last statement about how different ships have different functions. Though interesting realistically it would make sense to have many the same vessels preform as many duty's as possible. That way you would only need one, it brings down the coast.
This dreadnought looks like they just took an Interdictor cruiser,removed gravity well generators and just made it bigger
After the resurgence was so much bigger than ISDs I thought the First oder dreadnought would be some 28km beast, I’m glad they didn’t do that
*Supemancy enters the chat*
I'll bet those orbital auto cannons are where they got the idea for those planet killing cannons we saw in The Rise of Skywalker where the Resistance encountered a huge fleet of Sith Star Destroyers with those oversized cannons on they're undersides which also lead to they're downfall as if you plan to build a fleet of planet killing starships don't link the cannon to the ships main reactor because if you do just paint a giant bullseye there with the words 'Aim here to blow me out of the Sky'.
The concave dish in the center is a receptacle for enemy bombs.
The central dish looks almost like a docking port with an access tower near the middle. As to launch bays, well those holes along the length in the middle look like they would be able to be used for those.
I like this news burst.
Damn, it looks different than expected!
It would certainly be interesting to see a Base Delta Zero in the film. The star destroyer siege platform certainly looks geared towards it
I never understand why the good guys never get as much love as the bad guys. The imperials get planet killers, new star destroyers, and all that stuff. The resistance? Well here's a new droid and an old lightsaber.
I do like the ideas of news blasts! Keep it up!
I really loke that format about news
I thought this news blurp style was just fine. I agree with you on the dreadnaught. I would like to hear more and was more interested in the AT-M6. Thank you for what you do.
I don't think the structure in the middle is a dish, it is a docking collar. Everyone is joking that it looks like a pizza slice, but I think it looks like a Star Destroyer with the top decks removed. You mentioned that is seems to lack hangers or medium weapons. Perhaps they are using a modular design with specialized hanger decks or gun decks swapped in and out as needed. If this thing is supposed to be a siege platform, maybe there is an enormous landing ship to carry those guerrilla walkers down to the surface.
Mandator class was indeed an enormous ships, but first versions were design for the inter-system operations and didn't even have a Hyperdrive - later the Mandators were refitted for interstellar operations but they were too resource consuming vessels and, as many "rebuild" units, weren't as efficient as ships built from scratch.
Cool new intro!
In the StarWars.com Q & A, the Dreadnaught designer mentions that a flat top was a specific design requirement from Rian. I wonder why? My first thought was an aircraft carrier, but I can't make out any runway lines or docking. Maybe the turrets & bridge recess & the whole thing sits flush to another surface, like a second gunship, or larger craft? Form follows function, after all (for anyone that doesn't like the aesthetics, we can't really judge until we see what it does). Thanks for the video!
Good Job.
that dish and lines on the top of the dreadnaught looks like a docking port for the resurgence class star destroyer.
Way late to the posting, but I did want to say that for an unscripted video you did fairly well on your vocal mannerisms/tics. There was some 'uh's and the like, but you kept it succinct, to the point and relevant. And you did not have anywhere near as many filler words (uh, you know, etc..) as many other content creators who use this format. So may not be relevant, but did want to point that out and give credit where it's due. :)
The Bridge on the Dreadnought is reminiscent of the Bridge of HMS Dreadnought, the first ever true dreadnought.
How? Just how?
@@edwardteach3000 The bridge tower. It is the same general shape, with elongated ears, a slightly taller centre section, and overhangs twin towers on the ends, precisely as the bridge tower of HMS Dreadnought's tower overhung twin barbettes.
I think the first order needs some type of at-st
Mantis04 117 some lego sets leaked photos showed that they actually have one. but it's very weird looking, definitely something that I need to see in the movie to understand.
Mantis04 117 Lego sets indicate they do.
I think that actual tanks would be more practical than walkers. Tanks can't trip over things like wire.
Mantis04 117 First order needs Mammoth Tanks
See the movie you'll find out
I like these, good job$
That Dreadnought looks like my failed attempted drawing of a Dorito Chip
The First Order Dreadnought and At At are pretty cool !
The walker was already called gorilla walker somewhere (I think the LEGO leak quite a while ago). The forward "arm-legs" really look like they are made to bent for lowering the gun (and to make the walker look like a gorilla).
*sees new Dreadnought* Oooooh, please tell me that's a super-laser on the bottom.
*Orbital Auto Cannons* Darn it!
*Mandator-Class* Oooooh, so this is what the Mandator-class ships look like. If it follows how other Imperial star-ship numbered classes are like, this is actually what a Mandator looks like in previous generations.
*Slowly raises hand* I enjoyed this.
In regards of launch bay's, look at the center of the ship running along its back. This trench could be the separation point for bays that slide out like the Republics first star destroyers.
Does it look like it has 2 vertical joins at the to of the center pylon? as if the neck can rotate back and the left/right tower segments could fold back? Creating a tail-like structure? Likely SOOO wrong here, but would you think that would be cool?
The walker idea makes sense. There could be a massive recoil.