Words cannot describe how impressed I am. Definitely getting updates from you to see progress and hopefully be able to test this out one day! Keep it up!
Absolutely loving the progress on this! There is real potential here. Now we need to combine it with canbus + pogo pins for complete toolhead swap-outs.
Or run a board that supports multiple hotends. That provides better controll during prints, like with standby temp, and preheat time, etc. That one cannot get by a fully disconnected tool head.
Yeah there is definitely room for improvement but as a concept it's wonderful. I'm now thinking if there's a mechanism like the linear rail we could use instead which won't risk losing the bearings in a toolhead parking crash
While I think this would be awesome I doubt it's going to happen. The reason why I say this is because if you look at the amount of work that has gone into this design and the amount of refinement time that has been spent getting it to look like a professional commercial product everything about this project so far gives me vibes of someone looking to commercialize a Closed-Source Design/Platform. And while I do hope I am wrong about this the vibe I am getting is counter to what you are we are all hoping for. It isn't often that I am far from the reality of things when it comes to my hunches, it is both a blessing & a curse. Here's to hoping I am wrong!
@@longnamedude3947 So, as a solution, you choose that it remains closed and that your upgrade to a completely open system remains only yours, even though you got the complete system you upgraded to for free. Every upgrade to Voron becomes potentially stolen and exploited by various vultures. But here we are talking about Voron, the philosophy and ethics surrounding that project, which is a capo beacon that illuminates the time that is slowly descending into the fog. Be part of that light, proud of the time you have invested for the good of all who find satisfaction and hope in this global collaboration.
@@ljuboizsiska5448 Your comment makes no sense and is not comprehensible in English (I assume it is translated from another language, and that English is not your 1st Language). If you actually read my message fully, and properly understand what it is saying then you should as a conclusion of reading it understand that what I am saying is this; "It would be great if the designs were Open-Source as many people would be able to benefit from them including the original creator as community suggestions & improvements further refine the design. But from watching the videos so far the vibe that I am getting is that this project is likely a Closed-Source Commercial venture with a focus purely on profiting from the efforts put in, and while their is nothing wrong with that from an individual economic point of view the overall wider view of it in the long-term is one of yet more "Black Box" knowledge that only works to restrict the furthering of man kind and it's ability to advance forward globally on an equal footing." So, make of that conclusion what you wish.
@@longnamedude3947 the problem there is it would need to ditch any of the modified open source parts whose license requires the source to be published if they wanted to sell something with the parts included. This isn't the only toolchanger based on a Voron printer. The others are open source this one is special because of the attachment direction.
Is this for filament color changing? Great idea. No more purging and filament junk drops. What about adding metal brush to remove filament leak from nozzles
@@eduncan911but it’s a tiny amount compared to what’s required by systems like bambu. Now you only have to prime the nozzle, instead of purging out all of the previous material.
Very cool idea, but can't you get MGN carriages that have rails that contain the balls when the carriage is removed? I'm pretty sure you can in larger sizes, not sure about these smaller ones. Also not sure if IGUS equivalents would be precise enough, but they also wouldn't have the "lose your marbles" problem.
OMG I toughed off this idea as well, so cool to see that someone else already working on it. Have you already tried printing with it? And what do you use to set the offsets of each tool head?
well probably each tool head has same dimension since is a 3d extruder printer... i still don't understand why there is a need of swapping multiple extruders? each extruder holding different colored filament? i don't get it.
@@GeorgeZaharia it is not only about being able to print different colours it is also about having one tool whit a 0.4 mm nozel and one with a 1mm to do the in fill. You can also print different materials that have different printing temperatures.
It also is faster and wastes less filament then something like the bambu labs x1's AMS. Instead of having to retract the first filament then purge the nozzle of the old filament as well as change temp you have a second hotend ready to go as soon as its picked up. I use a ratrig with a tool changer and we do 4 material prints simultaneously. ABS for the general structure, TPU for flexible joints or soft grips, water soluble filament for support, and an exotic filament like PEEK or Carbon Fiber Nylon for when strength is a must.
wooooooooow that what i have been waiting for....but how is it fixed in place on high accelerations?...how is print quality? Can one get those files for testing?
Impressive, how do you do slice a stl for that? Forexample from this layer to that layer use 0.25 nozzle, but from this to that layer use 0.6.... Do you need to probe after every tool change?
Same nozzle size, different materials is easy to slice with bog standard slivers. Just gotta tell the slicer you have a mutli tool printer, and provide the tool change code (macro setup in Klipper)
I don't think that will work with the design of the voron. Looking at mine, I don't think it would work without a major redesign. This is friggen cool, though.
how does he printhead secure on the axis? i see it sits on a linear bearing, but is it somehow then fixed in position so that it can not move upwards on the bearing?
Magnets hold it in place same as tap. If you don't know what voron tap is, it's meant to ride on that small linear rail into an optical sensor for bed leveling
There are lots of options to do this. Changing just the filament - cheap, slow and wastes a lot of filament to clean out the nozzle Changing the nozzle+ heater - no one had made this work yet. Pitstop is an attempt at this. Changing the entire extruder assembly, like here. More parts needed, but simpler to do than just the heater+ nozzle.
What printer is this.. and how do we get that setup working? That looks amazing.. might give Prusa XL a run if its not as expensive and you can park even more heads at say.. two levels with 4 to 5 across.
Yeah, VORON V2.4 with Stealthburner toolheads and what appears to be the Mellow Fly SB2040 CAN bus mod. I just finished mine last month. Love the CAN bus, no drag chains.
@Broski Snowski The XL is working.. already have 1 head delivered and multi head is held up on part delays not cause it doesnt work. The XL looks to have a similar design to the E3D changer that's been out for some time. This does look potentially better though if its rock solid.. and when it picks up a head its "locked" so it can print fast with the different heads. Does the software support keeping individual heads heated and ready to use as well? That would be important to avoid long head change delays. But this looks like you could cram 5 heads side by side on that bar, and possibly have a bar lower and one up a bit higher.. so you can maybe have as many as 10 heads? Not sure once you add the lines for filament and wires in to them.. if there would be enough room in a 300mm or so height printer area to have two rows of them. Maybe someone will come up with a rotating caddy system.
Very nice work,lm glad you are protecting your work,l completely understand your point of view, you probably spent hundreds of hours on your project for sure,thank you for showing us whats posible to do with the machine .
I have similar CAD to this design. Yes, you loose the front-top portion of your build volume to not only stage the tool heads, but also the movement needed to grab them. As well as the dropping filament tubes and wiring (but those could be managed).
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Awesome concept! I still have a fear of ball bearings rolling away. Looking forward to see how you aproach nozzle alignment.
Words cannot describe how impressed I am. Definitely getting updates from you to see progress and hopefully be able to test this out one day! Keep it up!
Great build. You did a great work. 👍👍
Amazing! I would love to build this one day - keep up the work!
Absolutely loving the progress on this! There is real potential here. Now we need to combine it with canbus + pogo pins for complete toolhead swap-outs.
I'd love to see that, but I think the issue would be whether CAN allows for hotswapping or not.
Or run a board that supports multiple hotends. That provides better controll during prints, like with standby temp, and preheat time, etc. That one cannot get by a fully disconnected tool head.
Yeah there is definitely room for improvement but as a concept it's wonderful. I'm now thinking if there's a mechanism like the linear rail we could use instead which won't risk losing the bearings in a toolhead parking crash
@@tinyfluffs there certainly is, but not without a servo to lock the tool in securely, which this design doesn't seem to do.
@@wesleyfraser3058 bunch of wires, which would make more sense to just use toolhead boards on each one, so it's only 4 each, not 18.
You have my sincerest respect, beautiful art of craft
Thats amazing! Would love to see where this project goes
amazing to see the use of the small rails. incredible
that's absolutely amazing. looking forward to seing more.
This is amazing!! Great idea and implementation right there!
Oh my god! I can imagine how much work you need to do to finish this. But idea is awesome!
Absolutely incredible seeing this in action !
Wow! this is amazing!
This is fantastic! Are you going to be releasing the design?
While I think this would be awesome I doubt it's going to happen.
The reason why I say this is because if you look at the amount of work that has gone into this design and the amount of refinement time that has been spent getting it to look like a professional commercial product everything about this project so far gives me vibes of someone looking to commercialize a Closed-Source Design/Platform.
And while I do hope I am wrong about this the vibe I am getting is counter to what you are we are all hoping for.
It isn't often that I am far from the reality of things when it comes to my hunches, it is both a blessing & a curse.
Here's to hoping I am wrong!
@@longnamedude3947 So, as a solution, you choose that it remains closed and that your upgrade to a completely open system remains only yours, even though you got the complete system you upgraded to for free. Every upgrade to Voron becomes potentially stolen and exploited by various vultures. But here we are talking about Voron, the philosophy and ethics surrounding that project, which is a capo beacon that illuminates the time that is slowly descending into the fog. Be part of that light, proud of the time you have invested for the good of all who find satisfaction and hope in this global collaboration.
@@ljuboizsiska5448 Your comment makes no sense and is not comprehensible in English (I assume it is translated from another language, and that English is not your 1st Language).
If you actually read my message fully, and properly understand what it is saying then you should as a conclusion of reading it understand that what I am saying is this;
"It would be great if the designs were Open-Source as many people would be able to benefit from them including the original creator as community suggestions & improvements further refine the design.
But from watching the videos so far the vibe that I am getting is that this project is likely a Closed-Source Commercial venture with a focus purely on profiting from the efforts put in, and while their is nothing wrong with that from an individual economic point of view the overall wider view of it in the long-term is one of yet more "Black Box" knowledge that only works to restrict the furthering of man kind and it's ability to advance forward globally on an equal footing."
So, make of that conclusion what you wish.
@@longnamedude3947 the problem there is it would need to ditch any of the modified open source parts whose license requires the source to be published if they wanted to sell something with the parts included. This isn't the only toolchanger based on a Voron printer. The others are open source this one is special because of the attachment direction.
@@Rainmotorsports "This one is special" - All I needed to hear.
holy ATC !
Awesome work! Thank you for the effort. Can you explain how much volume you loose with this mod?
That's incredible!
Is this for filament color changing?
Great idea. No more purging and filament junk drops.
What about adding metal brush to remove filament leak from nozzles
Very impressive!
Super cool, nice work!
Sweet, and without a servo on the carriage :) (should be on the frame if one is needed)
My opinion might not be shared with all.
But, multi extrudeur is the way to go for multimatérial printing !
No more poopy printer !
Great job man !
Even with multi-tools, you still need to poop, err, purge after warming the heater up because of oozing from cool down and heat up.
@@eduncan911but it’s a tiny amount compared to what’s required by systems like bambu. Now you only have to prime the nozzle, instead of purging out all of the previous material.
totally badass love it
Awesome concept 8
Very cool idea, but can't you get MGN carriages that have rails that contain the balls when the carriage is removed? I'm pretty sure you can in larger sizes, not sure about these smaller ones. Also not sure if IGUS equivalents would be precise enough, but they also wouldn't have the "lose your marbles" problem.
man i really love that ! smart move=smart man ! :)
OMG I toughed off this idea as well, so cool to see that someone else already working on it. Have you already tried printing with it? And what do you use to set the offsets of each tool head?
well probably each tool head has same dimension since is a 3d extruder printer... i still don't understand why there is a need of swapping multiple extruders? each extruder holding different colored filament? i don't get it.
@@GeorgeZaharia it is not only about being able to print different colours it is also about having one tool whit a 0.4 mm nozel and one with a 1mm to do the in fill. You can also print different materials that have different printing temperatures.
It also is faster and wastes less filament then something like the bambu labs x1's AMS.
Instead of having to retract the first filament then purge the nozzle of the old filament as well as change temp you have a second hotend ready to go as soon as its picked up.
I use a ratrig with a tool changer and we do 4 material prints simultaneously. ABS for the general structure, TPU for flexible joints or soft grips, water soluble filament for support, and an exotic filament like PEEK or Carbon Fiber Nylon for when strength is a must.
wow, leveraging the tolerances of the cart, so smart!
Whoa very cool!
Awesome work man. Appreciate it. Would be proud to be a beta-tester, if needed.
wooooooooow that what i have been waiting for....but how is it fixed in place on high accelerations?...how is print quality?
Can one get those files for testing?
Oh wow! Is this like toolchanger mixed with Tap?
awesome!
What's the cooler called? Impressive work.
Now that it seriously cool
Question how would you automatically feed the filament in to the new stealthburner?
Nice reference to the MMX project by Wintergatan in the description btw
Have you noticed that resonances occur due to the movement of the head
Would this be able tomwork together with Tap, might Tap even already be implemented, or would it not work at all?
Yes it works as Tap as well. That's the main point.
a few days ago I thought about it and now I see an implementation. we had the same thought. wow
Impressive, how do you do slice a stl for that? Forexample from this layer to that layer use 0.25 nozzle, but from this to that layer use 0.6....
Do you need to probe after every tool change?
I guess, the first step is to set up same nozzles but different materials.
Same nozzle size, different materials is easy to slice with bog standard slivers. Just gotta tell the slicer you have a mutli tool printer, and provide the tool change code (macro setup in Klipper)
Awesome! Have you thought about having the toolheads in the back?
I don't think that will work with the design of the voron. Looking at mine, I don't think it would work without a major redesign.
This is friggen cool, though.
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What is the vertical linear bearing for?
Probably a tap sensor for bed mesh/z offset.
Labais!
I’m still waiting for the change. It just keeps grabbing the same head.
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how does he printhead secure on the axis? i see it sits on a linear bearing, but is it somehow then fixed in position so that it can not move upwards on the bearing?
Magnets hold it in place same as tap. If you don't know what voron tap is, it's meant to ride on that small linear rail into an optical sensor for bed leveling
Is this mainly for changing between nozzles? Maybe only changing the nozzles themselves is a less complicated way? Or I'm just way off the point?
There are lots of options to do this.
Changing just the filament - cheap, slow and wastes a lot of filament to clean out the nozzle
Changing the nozzle+ heater - no one had made this work yet. Pitstop is an attempt at this.
Changing the entire extruder assembly, like here. More parts needed, but simpler to do than just the heater+ nozzle.
What printer is this.. and how do we get that setup working? That looks amazing.. might give Prusa XL a run if its not as expensive and you can park even more heads at say.. two levels with 4 to 5 across.
This is a voron, probably 2.4 non-trident judging from the motion system and bed location.
Sorry buddy, but a setup like this will actually cost more than a Prusa XL.
Yeah, VORON V2.4 with Stealthburner toolheads and what appears to be the Mellow Fly SB2040 CAN bus mod. I just finished mine last month. Love the CAN bus, no drag chains.
@Broski Snowski is it though?
@Broski Snowski The XL is working.. already have 1 head delivered and multi head is held up on part delays not cause it doesnt work. The XL looks to have a similar design to the E3D changer that's been out for some time. This does look potentially better though if its rock solid.. and when it picks up a head its "locked" so it can print fast with the different heads. Does the software support keeping individual heads heated and ready to use as well? That would be important to avoid long head change delays. But this looks like you could cram 5 heads side by side on that bar, and possibly have a bar lower and one up a bit higher.. so you can maybe have as many as 10 heads? Not sure once you add the lines for filament and wires in to them.. if there would be enough room in a 300mm or so height printer area to have two rows of them. Maybe someone will come up with a rotating caddy system.
What's the name of the music
It's picking something up and putting it down again? Am I missing something here?
that's fucking gucci playa
O :
I want one
Where is the wire? I dont see pogo pin anywhere unless i am missing something or it's a test head
Each toolhead has its own wiring. They don't have them all wired up during testing.
How can I get your contact?
Very nice work,lm glad you are protecting your work,l completely understand your point of view, you probably spent hundreds of hours on your project for sure,thank you for showing us whats posible to do with the machine .
Looks like its asking for small bearing balls everywhere
Does this limit the build volume at all or is it all completely out of the way?
I have similar CAD to this design. Yes, you loose the front-top portion of your build volume to not only stage the tool heads, but also the movement needed to grab them. As well as the dropping filament tubes and wiring (but those could be managed).
Holy cow this is amazing, looks like you’re one step ahead of Prusa 👀
In what way ahead?
Hmm yeah looks good but I think would rather buy a Snapmaker J1 for less money.
can't understand whats happening and what's "amazing" is there
Pls explain
do a kickstarter
😮
What is this? A 3D printer?
I´m thiinking about giving you the 4000€ instead of Prusa....
I should have bet that another guys is releasing a tool changer before the prusa xl is delivered. These guys at prusa are so damn slow
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