yeah I think this guy Robert Edwards hit the nail on the head it's 2019 y'all I really hope that this spirit of the awakening has advanced us as a people to come out of these wicked churches/camps and islam
The most high doesn't wont me in organized church, the ministry I was in had a Spirit of control, intimidation and manipulation, plus the scriptures say come out of her, meaning come out of the Babylon system! The church!! Shalom!!
@james selden Because of who they get funded by. Also the pastor, bishop or whomever does not pay taxes. People, mostly Women will throw all their money too the church when they need it the most.
this!!!!! ive spoken to the pastor about talking about wealth and money!!! but he doesnt.. the church i go is more women and kids, the message is never tailored for today... christians have the principle of the word down, but no the principle about money and wealth and we are gods children, abudance is promised for us, so lets talk money!!!!!
As I've been commenting for quite some time now; even as an updated point of view and as applying to: Allah, Buddha, Jah, Jesus, Krishna, Yahweh & All The Rest; thus, My take on is: that the Black - Richly Melanated people as a whole, (especially as applying to both African and American Blacks [maybe one more so than the other and vice versa]) we fail in these five to six main areas: 1) The Idea Of A Non-proven One All Omnipotent God/Religions; 2) Not Having Overall Desire Or Values Toward True Ancient, Historical Knowledge & Science; 3) Negative Female Rulership By Non-Postnatal Trained ('Crooked Natured') Women; 4) Limited, Average Life Span; 5) Not Having Economic Productive Type Values (Needing Someone Else To Do What You Yourself Can Do While Also Not Maximizing On The Full Utilization Of Your Community's Or Continent's Natural Resources) & Finally, 6) The Allowed Destruction Of Family; all of this done within our limited average 80-years lifespan
@@johnjohn-tf4qf the point I'm making is when comes to going to Church people use every excuse in the book and yet these same excuses don't stop them from going other places or doing other thingss. Exactly how are you throwing away money if you attend Church?
I was saying the same thing: the church does teach young women how to be wives and mothers and how to get resources. The church doesn’t help the men rebuild themselves. Disenfranchised men should be able to go to church and the men of the point them to jobs and resources for rebuilding their lives so they can become valid vessels of society.
my experience is that they created those resources because the women are present. when there are no consistent or stable men, then creating a "class" that they don't attend becomes problematic.
sometimes its hard to get someone who have been brainwashed to realize that's whats going on... only advice I have is to turn to the Word ... churches today are conformed to the world to entice pew sitters to listen to things that tickle their ear instead of preaching the truth
@@OldHats my pastor who didn't really care for me growing up thought iw as going to be a bum i showed up last summer in that Calvin kleim blue suit and that man looked directly at me and said I knwo some of y'all to cute to shout. I'm like man this is not of God. GOD DO NOT MOCK OR SPEAK LIKE THAT.. Never understood why church folks so angry and mad. Or jealous or spiteful. That is not of God
Let me help you out bro.....There are spirit filled brothers that has a keen since of decernment, and rather not be up under false teaching, fake preachers, not prophets but profits .....Bless you man...
So do you spirit filled brothere with a keen sense of disenment stop going to work? What are you spirit filled brothers doing about the false teachers, fake preachers and prophets for profit?
@@kellijasper5912you are proving the point of not listening but putting your own thoughts to it. A job provides resources, many men in general see the church as taking resources while catering to and not holding women accountable. The church is where you come to see the tight dresses now, millionaire pastors wearing skinny jeans and the latest fashions. Women only listening to the one man that most men would never give their respect otherwise.
@@wtcbd01 I don’t know what Church you have attended but the onus has always been on the woman. She has to be meek and submissive no matter what. To a certain degree she is/was shamed into covering up her body as not to “make the brothers stumble.”
In the 60s we had black men who led in the church the Nation of Islam Black Panthers and so on. We also had those leaders killed or assassinated. Then came the 70s with the breakup of the black family where buy you begin to start seeing the homes led by women. Now 70% of the households is headed by females. Boys don't see men anymore. Black women are dominating the church the schools the workforce education and almost everything else. We have very few black male leaders anymore. If there's one place that can address this problem it would be the black church and that's not happening. The black church talks more about money and blessings. It needs to start talking about black male issues and bring black men back into leadership in the homes the church and everywhere else. This is why we have all kind of problems in the black community because of no male leadership. God Place men to lead.
Very devastating what's happening to Black men. God never wanted so many single women raising children. This situation came about through the government. What would you suggest?
Single women chose to be single and have kids most of the time outside of an outlier and it's wrong to expect good men to take on that baggage and you're not bringing anything or being appreciative to the good men who do it
Here is a reason and black pastors have KNOWN this for quite a long time too. QUOTE: "African-American churches tend to be *dominated by women* , with one central male figure, the pastor in the pulpit. As a result, many men do not feel affirmed in the church environment. They see the pastor as a threat and even a rival." -Rev. C. Eric Lincoln, 1924-2000
As a Blackman I don't go because the bible and other faiths have no truth or any real history in it. And there one thing no one has answered is where are the dates
The ship that transported the first of our ancestors to these shores, and into Slavery, was named "the Good ship Jesus! and guess what? It's still sailing!
TB you disagree with what???? Your question ask what this brother is talking about church is not reality it is a scam that only fulfill the needs of the ones on top the bottom are the people who feed the needs of the pimp preachers, decons and first ladies. All religion is man made "THE MOST HIGH {YAH) STANDS ALONE" and is in all and for all his blessings are free no matter where you stand YAH is with you!!!!!!!
Arneal Williams Sound thinking, brother. It has also been my reflection for years and I am a woman. The Lord has placed so much on men, yet it is misunderstood and for this reason it is not taught. The world (families) is deprived of real men who are being assaulted on every side to give up their God given leadership to women whilst women are being virilised. What we have is confusion of gender and a war the church should be exempt of. Men will be attracted to churches when Truth is spoken loud enough for them to hear it. God bless your ministry, brother.
So true. Even as a regular church attendee for the past 3 years, I've come to the conclusion that the general message preached in church is pay your tithes/offerings (although tithes are NOT BIBLICAL FOR NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIANS), get out your seat to hoop and holler, and upon completion of these things, God will bless you. I've also noticed a very dismissive attitude towards non-Church goers (and in particular YOUNG non-Church goers): as if salvation/God Himself ONLY reside in the church building, rather than seeking to explore why people are not coming. Thirdly, my pastor in particular will sometimes get up to "prophecy" over select members in the congregation. A message that has been relayed several times is that if what he prophecies does not come to pass, it's because that person's lack of faith obstructed their blessing. Huh? What is that? Prophecy insurance? What many religious people fail to realize is that many who are looking to worship the Father in spirit and in truth decide not to worship in a building because when they go, they find anything BUT the Spirit of Christ there.
@@camillec1541 It's certainly the groundwork for starting one. 💡That (among other reasons) was what drove me to since graciously depart from church as of July 2023. ✌🏾
Agreed. Another issue is the current form of Christianity is not the same form originated in Ethiopia. There is no money in teaching about the original teachings. We've bought the European lie.
Damn the gas lighting is real.... no grace, compassion, understanding, just that same ol church legalistic talk they always use to judge people instead of meeting and understanding where they are.... you know, like Jesus did lol..... but these church people LOVE to judge instead of taking the work, like the guy in the video, to understand people...... THERE IS NO LOVE LIKE CHRISTIAN JUDGEMENT 😂
Women tend to be more emotional than men. This is the reason why you see a lot of women in church as oppose to men. Black men can' t bow down to a male pastor. It does not feel right.
As I've been commenting for quite some time now; even as an updated point of view and as applying to: Allah, Buddha, Jah, Jesus, Krishna, Yahweh & All The Rest; thus, My take on is: that the Black - Richly Melanated people as a whole, (especially as applying to both African and American Blacks [maybe one more so than the other and vice versa]) we fail in these five to six main areas: 1) The Idea Of A Non-proven One All Omnipotent God/Religions; 2) Not Having Overall Desire Or Values Toward True Ancient, Historical Knowledge & Science; 3) Negative Female Rulership By Non-Postnatal Trained ('Crooked Natured') Women; 4) Limited, Average Life Span; 5) Not Having Economic Productive Type Values (Needing Someone Else To Do What You Yourself Can Do While Also Not Maximizing On The Full Utilization Of Your Community's Or Continent's Natural Resources) & Finally, 6) The Allowed Destruction Of Family; all of this done within our limited average 80-years lifespan
since you mentioned sheep... Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks? Ezekiel:34:2 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock. Ezekiel:34:3 the problem is the Sheppard dont know nothing therefore the sheep dont know nothing.. BUT, the sheep got what they asked for.. Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin: Isaiah:30:1 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever: Isaiah:30:8 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD: Isaiah:30:9 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: Isaiah:30:10
Who told you that you're not supposed to learn. Jesus told us before he ascended back to Heaven to go out into all the world and make disciples and you can't make disciples without sound foundational Biblical teaching. NOTE: I DIDN'T SAY PREACHING, I SAID TEACHING!!!!!
Intelligent black men realize that the Creator/God of trillions of galaxies and lifeforms don't communicate with words in a book, people do. The Creator/God communicates through creation. Christianity is psyco-anesthesia for peaceful acceptance of mistreatment.
Obviously there ARE Pastors and those in leadership who are called of God and are genuine and decent in what they do (not that they are perfect because nobody is). However, it is ever increasing that many of the men in the 5-Fold Ministry in these churches operate out of a spirit of control, ego psychology. Too many of these men who were going to church have grown weary of seeing their WIVES doing more for their Pastor and putting what the Pastor says BEFORE her husband. No man in his sound mind is going to put up with that; especially if he (too) is serious regarding his personal relationship with God. Too many great marriages turn into nasty divorces IN THE CHURCH for this very reason.
I am a black man and I love the church Came to Christ because of black men who preached Jesus. No grandma taking me or dragging me to church every Sunday until I "got it" story here!
Lost my father at 9yrs 1963 mothers back then were not your friend or party mate like today? Thought I had the meanest mother in the world? Didn't buy name brand, wouldn't let me stay out pass the street light, and Don't let that light shine on yo" Ass! It's lights out! She's long gone was proud of me and my success, now I understand the reason she laid down the law during Jim crow? Today a strong black man with his black wife, passing down to my now grown kids the Wisdom of my mother and the grace of God to steer me from hurt and harm!
I think alot of us blackmen have seen our mothers and grandmothers taken advantage of by the black church hoping and waiiting for sky daddy jesus. Every new or large church building was/Is heavily funded by blackwomen's donations, both great and small. Our differences are also evident, when women get tired of being promiscuous they go to church and when black men get tired of it, we settle down. Plus lots of bad relationships make these woman want Jesus more than a companoon.
I remember when I used to go to church how the ladies had so many meetings of different kinds. Like ministries to do so many things. Even tea meeting of fellowship where they could talk and gossip. The men decided to get together for their own fellowship. I was shocked to see how there were fears and concerns about the men doing this by the Pastor and the ladies. Men were not trusted for fear of losing control because men are considered bad. They didn't have the guts to say it out right but that was the slant in the double talk when it was addressed that shit was proof enough for me. I had a church divorce. I don't want another man in charge of my wife. Preachers claim that we are to surrender ourselves to a Pastor. God is my father and I am not a Catholic. Penticostals churches are the worst!!!!!!?
I’m not a black man but my husband refuses to go to church. For me, It was more like a social club. It lasted way too long. I hated being chased to my car by weird guys who found out I was a single mom. My kids use to be laughing like crazy when we would be walking fast getting to the car to get out of church. It’s also a fashion show. I would wear jeans 👖, sneakers 👟 and a shirt 👚. Did I have nice clothes? Yes but God said comes as you are and I came how I felt those days. Those weird women would look at me with dirty looks. They always knew not to approach me because I always had a scowl on my face, which isn’t a scowl but me being in deep thought. I’m definitely NOT becoming Muslim. I like to wear what I want to wear. I have 3 daughters and I would have never ever allowed them to marry a grown man in their adolescent years. Plus I’m way to vocal to become Muslim. I’m glad we just stay home and spend quality time together on Sundays. We do go to church on Saturdays whenever I visit my dad or he visits me. We do it out of respect.
Glad I watched this, I had always felt the same way for years. I met a Christian of a different race at my job, and he introduced me to his church and I felt at home for the first time. The church is racially mixed, which is great, meeting Christians of different cultures.
I used to go to Mattress Temple now I go to Stay At Home Baptist. The service ain't long, ain't no choirs and annoucements, and the only building fund I have to give to is mine. Tell him thank ya!
An issue that needs to be addressed in the church, is the intrusive intervention of pastors in their congregation members personal relationships. This would not be an issue if it wasn't for the fact that a number of today's pastors are not following the Truth of the Bible. A lot of these modern pastors take advantage of their position in the church, many treats their churches akin to nightclubs/ discos. Finally, I believe they cause/ create more problems in people's personal relationships than help this is due to many women whom attend church are more willing to listen to their pastors more so than their husbands or partners.
I appreciate your real talk brother on the topic...for me the problem I see in some Churches is that men, regular men in the church are not respected...the "only" man worthy to be respected is the male pastor....the wife'and the kids control the man....he follows the woman, she leads...that's like putting the horse before the cart, it wound work. So until the common / regular man is respected in the Church, you will see less men there.
I have a lot to say about this particular topic. First, I think a lot of black men don't go to church because the Black Church is so emasculated, also I feel like Black Men are constantly put down by a society that pushes women to be on the same level or in front of the man that we as men don't want to have to compete for authority as it pertains to the headship and the fellowship. You made a great point about the Muslim faith. And while I'm a believer and follower of the most High, I see that the Muslim faith teaches that men lead their homes and be the headship of their households. And while the church doesn't teach a lot of men how to be in authority, they sometimes don't feel like they have NO purpose. Also, black men don't put their money into anything that won't benefit them at the end of the day. Think about it. Most black churches cater to women by keeping them driven by their emotions and feelings. In order to speak to Black men, you have to be a strong Black man. I've just become awoke and some of what I've been told over the years have turned out to be lies and untruths. If you add the feminist movement and the gay agenda you really have a problem on your hand. And these are the things that most Black Churches and Black Pastors won't talk about. I can say so much more but this was a great Q & A..
I DONT LIKE CHURCH BECAUSE ITS ONLY A SHOW TALKING ABOUT NOTHING BUT NOW I GOT A PASTOR THAT TEACH AND THAT PASTOR GINO JENNINGS LOOK HIM UP BECAUSE I CAN HEAR HIM ALL DAY BECAUSE HE IS SO REAL.........
Havent attended church in 20 years? What? No annointing? Prayers? Liberty that Christ bings? Peace from above? Joy that His Presence brings? Lifting of burdens ftom off thy shoulders? Conferences? Revivals? Restorations? Instruction in Righteousness? Its amazing peole would leave written information of TREASON against the reality of the KINGDOM OF GOD? A kingdom that Jesus Himself ushered in! Despite issues that infected and affected the during his day Saint Paul wrote "be reconciled to God" (2nd Corinrhians 5).
Many of you all are absolutely Right about the concept of Religion because being Religious is what the Righteous would Declare as being FAKE ! Any Godly Person does not want to be that type of Person: We all should want to be Christ Like as possible and having the same type of mind that Jesus had during his Time here on Earth !
I believe there are a lot of churches doctrines that cater to women. But the doctrine of Christ is neither feminine or masculine and we should not place his teachings in one category or the other. There may be an issue with getting men there when you said the church should be more family oriented but the people there are single parent families. So if the men were to be committed to their families instead of making children and not living up to their responsibilities then we can begin a dialogue about family unity. You made some very good points and I applaud you for this message.
Black Men need to stop the blame Game. READ GOD'S WORD for themselves and ask God for Understanding. Lamb or Lion has nothing to do with obedience to God. Sin is what keep men and women from GOD. Have a heart transplant with the WORD of God!
Brother, God Speed! These explanation is the "heart cry" of many brothers I encounter. Thanks for posting and sharing this awesome view. I will be sharing this video with the hope of helping many brothers, ie church officials, understand that the focus must change if you want to reach men and if you want to "re-establish" God's Holy order. Peace.
I grew up in the church I loved church but I was also confused as to why my mama would fall out and shout and speak I. Tongues then come home cuss us out beat us or seeing church pastors show favoritism to me that made me want to develop my own relationship with God. I've slipped so many times but I'm working on getting my relationship back with God.but only time I seen people really walking like there talking was Bible based church. Not a Broadway show and a few vs read b4 the big show.
Correction, SOME black men don't like church. You have to find a church that suits you, now don't look for a perfect church, you may stay late every now and then. Also, there are problems in every church so don't let that stop you from worship and yes you can worship at home but be honest when was the last time you worshipped at home? The church is filled with imperfect people, keep your eyes on Christ not on the people. Growing and developing starts with you, how hungry are you for the Word?
Because..The BLACK Man is...”GOD”..it’s naturally WITHIN and the Supernatural Spirit that RESIDES WITHIN can not be “taught”🙏🏾🙌🏾..TRUTH P.S.... Any Human form that has a REAL SOUL would “Behave&/Respond” out of Anger ,Pain& Confusion when being striped of their original identity,ryt(?)😏😉..but yet “they” the very ones who’s caused all the corruption will “Demonize” and label them as “they’ve “ created it ALLL...#Hate&Evil&Lies!!!
Very well said and very well thought out. I have defended the Black Church in many previous videos in the past on various topics and have done so as the need to provide context to the discussion. If I may weigh in here I will add a few points I have not read in the comments as well as may have been stated as well. The main point that strikes me with particular concern is that the current structure of the church experience is lacking in its relevance. While the organized church has many areas that have failed the community, this is indeed troubling. I say that because that inditement is valid. In pointing out this truth it means that the church has failed to be the body of Christ and Christ as the head. The focus has been misplaced if the results of its function are not reaching the brothers who need Christ most of all. If the church's presentation is lacking in the delivery of the ministry, message, and mission of our Lord and Savior because the methodology and emphasis are off focus then it means we have to address this reality. Now if there is just some "style tweaking" that needs to be done then a few adjustments can be made. But that is NOT what I am hearing and reading in the comments. There are many major concerns that are spoken here. However, it is incorrect to throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak, in that salvation of the souls of humanity is only found in Christ and Christ alone. His blood is the only hope of eternal salvation there is. Whatever the church has done wrong can be fixed but that basis for redemption is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Please understand and accept that fact as truth. The message of Christ's love is consistent with His word regardless of the preacher's flaws and shortcomings. The sacrifice Christ paid for our sins is yet relevant even if the church has taken the entertainment stage too extreme and the financial emphasis is out of balance. God is yet coming back for His church regardless of the hypocrisy and feminization of the folks in the building. While I am NOT condoning any of the mess, I am stating that the needs of and for the human condition have not changed on these basic simplistic levels. Can we agree? I will leave it right there for your consideration. In closing, please let me leave this point. The church is made up of imperfect people who too need a savior. In the Bible, Christ selected flawed individuals to be His disciples for a reason. That is because He demonstrates His love towards us. And while we were yet sinners He redeemed us from our sins. He is the transformation and not the transformative needing individuals we see in the pulpits, TV, and stages and storefronts. Jesus Christ is still the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIGHT. If that was not clearly communicated at church then don't reject the source because those on staff are not representing Him well. Because HE is still worth seeking HIM even if it means finding HIM is a task. Don't miss HIM, please. HE waits. HE searches hearts, minds, and souls. HIS love draws and HE is available based on your search for HIM and HIS LOVING power.#TRANSFORMATION.
Rule #1 the slave and the slave master can't serve the same god. 400yrs of slavery and this white man religion didn't save not one person of color. It made us dumb and docile 2 our slave master's.
Me as a black woman I really do not enjoy going to black churches anymore at the age of 32 one of my main reasons is because there aren't enough strong masculine black men there
Do you think if more pastors taught like minister brother Malcolm , talking about changing your mind and morals , and standing up for yourself , family and community , that it would make a difference . Enough to make men want to return to the church ?
This guy hit it on the head! The black churches cater to the needs of women, and do very little for the brothers. The pastor should be "fishing for men", but they are intimidating by strong men. There should be a brotherhood amongst the men in the church. Muslim men sit in a circle and debate (peacefully) the Quran, they are huge on teaching men and on brotherhood. Muslims are not intimidated my strong men. Muslim provides structure and demands discipline. Christian pastors have no structure, and interact more with the sisters. Some sisters respect their pastor more than their husband. I guess pastors feel it is their job to protect women or it feeds into the insecurity as men.
The reason I stop going now 65yrs? It was all about money? The only one living large was the pastor, and his family? Next I was Spiritually seek God? So I start to read for myself? The rest is history! Church bricks and Mortar? Your Heart God do dwell if it's Open?
white dude here. Great points made by this guy, speaking from wisdom. Men (black or white) will increasingly have little to do with Church until it gives back authority. You cannot demand the responsibilities (to family, to society, to work) you demand from men without the concomitant authority to see it through. If you ask of me duty you must also grant authority, you cannot demand one and not provide the other, just as you cannot demand I build a house but provide no hammer.
I agree with you sir,what we as men need to know the church cannot save you,only Jesus Christ can do that,most of our church's preach false doctrine,We have the responsibility to know Jesus for ourselves,to study the word for ourselves so we will not become victims to con men and women who are false teachers,the people are the church,the body of Christ,not the building.Know Jesus for yourself and the Holy Spirit will lead you to true teaching and believers that has been my experience,because most of what will have now is Satan has infiltrated the church institutions,because people are gullible intrusting their salvation to false teachers and false prophets,it's sad what these false teachers are doing but they are going to pay for what they are doing,A man reaps what he sows and God cannot be mocked
No no. That's not the answer read your Bible the black man is the church.. we give our Tidings to our wives so she can go to church but we need to educate our women. Educated my wife about the church I am her church
Why.. because that's not the real PLACE of the MOST HIGH as simple as that and our people are waking up in the LORD does not dwell in the church in America he dwell within man.
I have the same experiences, with the same background, in the same environment, under the same conditions you did. The only difference is the location. I left the church because I watched it change over a span of 30 years. Church became a concert and I was part of the production team, as a musician. The only thing I learned in that span was, what I call, sales pitch Scripture. It was't until I became disabled, that I saw it for what it was....a show. 🤔
I grew up in church ever since I was a child. What I have witnessed in the past 15 years has been a total failure of accountability, truthfulness and integrity in the pulpits. I’ve seen it all. All of the, “name it, claim it”, debt cancellation, money lines, “God said there’s 50 people in here that need to give $100, etc. then when only 20 people come down to give $100 and nobody else comes the pastor says “God said partner with someone on your row and bring the $100 together, etc. etc. its been nothing but a horse and pony show circus act. I’ve seen pastors stand in the pulpit and pull out a $100 bill to entice people to give $100 and then come back to the room where the money is being counted and demand to have the $100 back (Yes I witnessed this firsthand). A lot of the messages today are emotionally stimulated, lacks substance, depth and are carnal. I heard a pastor LITERALLY SAY AND I mean LITERALLY say if it comes down to whether you should pay your tithes or your light bill, you better pay your tithes smh. Straight foolishness. The biggest disappointment is the inability to attract Strong Male Figures in the Church because the pastor is threatened with men that are not “Jelly backs” and will challenge him on something if it doesn’t align with the word of God along with the lack of accountability and not listening to messages where they destroy men in the pulpit in front of a 80% congregation of single women. It’s all a business deal at the end of the day. Pastors are preaching messages to maintain their financial base by preaching a feel good, fairytale message. Feminism, prosperity and secular humanism has become a part of the main theme in a lot of sermons in the modern church world and the true Gospel of Jesus Christ is no longer the essence of the preached word. Sad Reality in todays church world and honestly I can’t deal with it anymore. I’m glad that I’m seasoned enough in the word to recognize these charlatans and avoid listening to their messages.
What are the black barbershop, black clubs, black women saloon, micheal Jordan, black rappers tyler perry, Eddie Murphy. Are these business, and people paying your rent, your medical insurance. They are not
@@oldschool5 I get where you’re coming from but I don’t believe you should get God from man. I think you should get God from God by having a direct relationship with him. What the slave masters did was insurmountable and hateful but they weren’t Gods representative. They perverted the word of God and I’m sure that was felt when they died and faced judgement. But no man can lead himself to salvation. We don’t live forever and we should really think about where we will spend eternity. Don’t let religion or man (people) shape a perception of God that isn’t true. I’m speaking from experience not what someone told me.
Boys eventually grow into adulthood and realize church is full of lies and fairytales. On top of it, they want you to pay them to tell you lies. Men would much rather sleep in and choose their own brand of entertainment, such as eating a burger, drinking a beer and watching the game. AMEN!
I am so glad I heard you out brotha,,,,,because I saw the title and the four letter words began to flow from my fingers, but you made so much sense and valid points that I had to re-address my thoughts about your topic, I'm still never going to go into a church ever again because the church will never change and there is no religion that knows anything about the "Most High" because for years things have only gotten worse so that tells me there is no "God" showing nobody his true ways especially these mega churches, but I commend you on your topic well spoken take care,,,,,,,,and yes I do believe there is a God/Creator/All Mighty!!!
Christianity was preached to black people in a manner to make us more docile. It wasn't the slave masters idea to make strong black men. God is where our strength lies, and it was never intended for you to be strong. I am a Muslim and I love strong black men. I can't respect anything else. In the NOI I was used to seeing strong black men. My father, my uncle's, my brother, and male cousins were all industrious. All the men in the Mosque were always busy, and serious. There wasn't 1 of them that you could get away with doing anything wrong in their presence. God made men and women, and we have an imbalanced world when only one side is allowed to be what God intended for them to be.
Because I realize organized religion is just another wave of oppression. Love doesn't have to make you a beating post for other people personal ideology.
Exactly! All I hear is excuses, and my father and many ppl in my family are from Detroit and they grew up in the church...I grew up in the church and we had alot of decons and black men who were surrogate fathers, but growing up there were fathers in the home and etc so everyone wasn't a bastard child...Our church wasn't all about money...Yes, you paid tithes, but it wasn't about buying the Pastor his car etc...People have to understand every church is different and not ALL churches are mega churches and being in a church is a family, a community...Yes, hypocrites are everywhere, but you don't have social with them..You pray for them and move on....It crazy to hear the crap that ppl say, but I have no heaven or hell for anyone...Just know God stands on his word...
Kevin White, righteousness is not just something you read about in a book, it is a way of life, it is in your heart, before birth, it is who you are. Not looking for a reward, like a trained dog.
I got a lot in common with the brothers.Church does not do nothing for me either.I need something to stimulate my mind and something to learn from too.I enjoy listening to Farrakhan and malcolm X then listening to preachers.Preachers at the church never interested me.I'm a black woman and I can tell when preachers are about nothing.I never go to church.I only went to church growing up because my mother made me go.I didn't like it then.It always put me to sleep.I hated when my mother wake me up forcing me to listen to it.My mother and aunt would always push me to go to church during my adult life but they never succeeded because I refuse to go.I attend funerals to pay my respect and that's it.I'm not going to something that's not for me.
@@ministerstayfly9213 I read and did a lot of research over the years.I read so many books on Egyptology, African people and European Holidays: mental Genocide book 1, African people and European Holidays: mental Genocide book 2 and many other books.I purchase many askra kwasi' s videos about how the romans and greeks stole from african spirituality and fabricated it and adjusted to fit their backward ass culture.I also know that they started changing a lot of religious concept at the council of neciest somewhere after christ or ad.I forgot the exact year.Excuse my spelling I can't seem to remember how to spell it.Hope you can figure out what I' m trying to say.
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The reason why black men don't go to church because game knows game
Richard Swift what do mean?
I like that !!!! 💯
@@timothymidgyette3923 the pastor is running game on the women and some men of the church
Exactly
Facts
Maybe it’s because the church don’t do what the Bible actually says do...
Nope! They teach that the laws are done away with.
Preach IT. And naw we don't.
Robert Edwards
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yeah I think this guy Robert Edwards hit the nail on the head
it's 2019 y'all I really hope that this spirit of the awakening has advanced us as a people to come out of these wicked churches/camps and islam
Exactly
There are very few "teaching" churches brother.....most are about entertaining and collection the money. smh
supehero22 agreed
A lot of men don't go to church because they don't want to pray the fake Messiah and especially not the lover the number of DaVinci
superhero22 -- It's been like that forever. And yet, people keep going back for more.
The most high doesn't wont me in organized church, the ministry I was in had a Spirit of control, intimidation and manipulation, plus the scriptures say come out of her, meaning come out of the Babylon system! The church!! Shalom!!
@james selden Because of who they get funded by. Also the pastor, bishop or whomever does not pay taxes. People, mostly Women will throw all their money too the church when they need it the most.
I wish church would focus on real world events. Relate the sermon to what's going on right now.
Real talk 💯
No focus they need to focus on the gospel that's it.
this!!!!! ive spoken to the pastor about talking about wealth and money!!! but he doesnt.. the church i go is more women and kids, the message is never tailored for today... christians have the principle of the word down, but no the principle about money and wealth and we are gods children, abudance is promised for us, so lets talk money!!!!!
As I've been commenting for quite some time now; even as an updated point of view and as applying to: Allah, Buddha, Jah, Jesus, Krishna, Yahweh & All The Rest; thus, My take on is: that the Black - Richly Melanated people as a whole, (especially as applying to both African and American Blacks [maybe one more so than the other and vice versa]) we fail in these five to six main areas: 1) The Idea Of A Non-proven One All Omnipotent God/Religions; 2) Not Having Overall Desire Or Values Toward True Ancient, Historical Knowledge & Science; 3) Negative Female Rulership By Non-Postnatal Trained ('Crooked Natured') Women; 4) Limited, Average Life Span; 5) Not Having Economic Productive Type Values (Needing Someone Else To Do What You Yourself Can Do While Also Not Maximizing On The Full Utilization Of Your Community's Or Continent's Natural Resources) & Finally, 6) The Allowed Destruction Of Family; all of this done within our limited average 80-years lifespan
Most of us are allergic to BS..
And yet you go to work and clubs and have no problem with dealing with BS in those places.
@@kellijasper5912 I don't attend clubs, church or anything else throwing my hard earned money away
@@johnjohn-tf4qf the point I'm making is when comes to going to Church people use every excuse in the book and yet these same excuses don't stop them from going other places or doing other thingss. Exactly how are you throwing away money if you attend Church?
Church & prayers without real action behind them are fruitless
@@johnjohn-tf4qf the word does say faith without works is dead. Exactly what do you mean by "real action."
I was saying the same thing: the church does teach young women how to be wives and mothers and how to get resources. The church doesn’t help the men rebuild themselves. Disenfranchised men should be able to go to church and the men of the point them to jobs and resources for rebuilding their lives so they can become valid vessels of society.
my experience is that they created those resources because the women are present. when there are no consistent or stable men, then creating a "class" that they don't attend becomes problematic.
I agree church today is very feminine but also they vilify men constantly but expect men to sit there and listen to that nonsense
Freddy Chico PREACH!!! Tried to get my wife to understand why I no longer like the church anymore
sometimes its hard to get someone who have been brainwashed to realize that's whats going on... only advice I have is to turn to the Word ... churches today are conformed to the world to entice pew sitters to listen to things that tickle their ear instead of preaching the truth
Your correct, my Brother
I've see a pastor look at me hold eye contact and say(Sistas I hope y'all not taken care of these bumbs) Me fresh to death new he was cock blockin
@@OldHats my pastor who didn't really care for me growing up thought iw as going to be a bum i showed up last summer in that Calvin kleim blue suit and that man looked directly at me and said I knwo some of y'all to cute to shout. I'm like man this is not of God. GOD DO NOT MOCK OR SPEAK LIKE THAT.. Never understood why church folks so angry and mad. Or jealous or spiteful. That is not of God
Let me help you out bro.....There are spirit filled brothers that has a keen since of decernment, and rather not be up under false teaching, fake preachers, not prophets but profits .....Bless you man...
So do you spirit filled brothere with a keen sense of disenment stop going to work? What are you spirit filled brothers doing about the false teachers, fake preachers and prophets for profit?
@@kellijasper5912you are proving the point of not listening but putting your own thoughts to it. A job provides resources, many men in general see the church as taking resources while catering to and not holding women accountable. The church is where you come to see the tight dresses now, millionaire pastors wearing skinny jeans and the latest fashions. Women only listening to the one man that most men would never give their respect otherwise.
@wtcbd01 Ditto, sir
@@wtcbd01 I don’t know what Church you have attended but the onus has always been on the woman. She has to be meek and submissive no matter what. To a certain degree she is/was shamed into covering up her body as not to “make the brothers stumble.”
Because these places are nothing but money collecting businesses...
In the 60s we had black men who led in the church the Nation of Islam Black Panthers and so on. We also had those leaders killed or assassinated. Then came the 70s with the breakup of the black family where buy you begin to start seeing the homes led by women. Now 70% of the households is headed by females. Boys don't see men anymore. Black women are dominating the church the schools the workforce education and almost everything else. We have very few black male leaders anymore. If there's one place that can address this problem it would be the black church and that's not happening. The black church talks more about money and blessings. It needs to start talking about black male issues and bring black men back into leadership in the homes the church and everywhere else. This is why we have all kind of problems in the black community because of no male leadership. God Place men to lead.
yes......
Very devastating what's happening to Black men. God never wanted so many single women raising children. This situation came about through the government. What would you suggest?
Then who these women fucking?
@M C Then handle yours
Single women chose to be single and have kids most of the time outside of an outlier and it's wrong to expect good men to take on that baggage and you're not bringing anything or being appreciative to the good men who do it
Me personally I'm tired of preaching singing and marching I need something tangible
Revolution, they kill your family you kill back, don't hold the Bible, lol
Michael Gray that’s law
Here is a reason and black pastors have KNOWN this for quite a long time too. QUOTE: "African-American churches tend to be *dominated by women* , with one central male figure, the pastor in the pulpit. As a result, many men do not feel affirmed in the church environment. They see the pastor as a threat and even a rival." -Rev. C. Eric Lincoln, 1924-2000
thats too general to say. women outnumber men everywhere. so it makes sense that you would see more in church than men
Because they woke up.. ✌🏾🇬🇭
EXACTLY!
Facts
Straight FACT
Thank You! Once I got hip to the game some years back, I refuse to enter another again. Preachers out there pimpin these women out they money!
Sammy P
Are you you talking about today's generation that has Awaken ? Please, Explain !
Left at age 28 when I realized my heritage as an Israelite.. Always thought the church was too feminine.. I have never felt better
Started to leave at 25 and left fully at 28. I'm 32 Now.
As a Blackman I don't go because the bible and other faiths have no truth or any real history in it. And there one thing no one has answered is where are the dates
I PRAY AND WORSHIP AT HOME. AND ITS CHEAPER.
Amen !
The ship that transported the first of our ancestors to these shores, and into Slavery, was named "the Good ship Jesus! and guess what? It's still sailing!
Sa🎶il on🎶sa🎶il on🎶m🎶y pe🎶ople...
how are we going to teach our sons to be a Lion but when they go to church they have to dumb it down to a sheep?
I disagree! However, let me ask you this question. Would you sit in a setting where you know for certain the information is false?
Great question!
How about teaching the people the history of the Bible and religion.
Teach men and women that Jesus Christ never existed and the Bible is real bs invented to psychologically enslave the masses.
TB you disagree with what???? Your question ask what this brother is talking about church is not reality it is a scam that only fulfill the needs of the ones on top the bottom are the people who feed the needs of the pimp preachers, decons and first ladies. All religion is man made "THE MOST HIGH {YAH) STANDS ALONE" and is in all and for all his blessings are free no matter where you stand YAH is with you!!!!!!!
Arneal Williams Sound thinking, brother. It has also been my reflection for years and I am a woman. The Lord has placed so much on men, yet it is misunderstood and for this reason it is not taught. The world (families) is deprived of real men who are being assaulted on every side to give up their God given leadership to women whilst women are being virilised. What we have is confusion of gender and a war the church should be exempt of. Men will be attracted to churches when Truth is spoken loud enough for them to hear it. God bless your ministry, brother.
Amen, God bless you woman of God for your encouragement.
So true. Even as a regular church attendee for the past 3 years, I've come to the conclusion that the general message preached in church is pay your tithes/offerings (although tithes are NOT BIBLICAL FOR NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIANS), get out your seat to hoop and holler, and upon completion of these things, God will bless you.
I've also noticed a very dismissive attitude towards non-Church goers (and in particular YOUNG non-Church goers): as if salvation/God Himself ONLY reside in the church building, rather than seeking to explore why people are not coming.
Thirdly, my pastor in particular will sometimes get up to "prophecy" over select members in the congregation. A message that has been relayed several times is that if what he prophecies does not come to pass, it's because that person's lack of faith obstructed their blessing. Huh? What is that? Prophecy insurance?
What many religious people fail to realize is that many who are looking to worship the Father in spirit and in truth decide not to worship in a building because when they go, they find anything BUT the Spirit of Christ there.
Tithes....were before the LAW ....before Abram was a Jew.
@@Rangoslap8yep and it wasn't about money.... So what's your point
Sounds cultish....
@@camillec1541 It's certainly the groundwork for starting one. 💡That (among other reasons) was what drove me to since graciously depart from church as of July 2023. ✌🏾
Agreed. Another issue is the current form of Christianity is not the same form originated in Ethiopia. There is no money in teaching about the original teachings. We've bought the European lie.
It's soo amazing how some of us make excuses not to go to church but when something bad happen they are calling on God for help.
It takes a while to get all that dogma and mythology out of one's system
@@oldschool5 Why do that just apply going to church and no problem when they go to everything like sports, working , going to the clubs and bars ?
Damn the gas lighting is real.... no grace, compassion, understanding, just that same ol church legalistic talk they always use to judge people instead of meeting and understanding where they are.... you know, like Jesus did lol..... but these church people LOVE to judge instead of taking the work, like the guy in the video, to understand people...... THERE IS NO LOVE LIKE CHRISTIAN JUDGEMENT 😂
Women tend to be more emotional than men. This is the reason why you see a lot of women in church as oppose to men. Black men can' t bow down to a male pastor. It does not feel right.
Because we are the Church,that the most high God YAH is Speaking about,he is not coming in no building that man's build
As I've been commenting for quite some time now; even as an updated point of view and as applying to: Allah, Buddha, Jah, Jesus, Krishna, Yahweh & All The Rest; thus, My take on is: that the Black - Richly Melanated people as a whole, (especially as applying to both African and American Blacks [maybe one more so than the other and vice versa]) we fail in these five to six main areas: 1) The Idea Of A Non-proven One All Omnipotent God/Religions; 2) Not Having Overall Desire Or Values Toward True Ancient, Historical Knowledge & Science; 3) Negative Female Rulership By Non-Postnatal Trained ('Crooked Natured') Women; 4) Limited, Average Life Span; 5) Not Having Economic Productive Type Values (Needing Someone Else To Do What You Yourself Can Do While Also Not Maximizing On The Full Utilization Of Your Community's Or Continent's Natural Resources) & Finally, 6) The Allowed Destruction Of Family; all of this done within our limited average 80-years lifespan
You are not supposed to learn.You are only supposed to be sheep!
since you mentioned sheep...
Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
Ezekiel:34:2
Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.
Ezekiel:34:3
the problem is the Sheppard dont know nothing therefore the sheep dont know nothing.. BUT, the sheep got what they asked for..
Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:
Isaiah:30:1
Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
Isaiah:30:8
That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
Isaiah:30:9
Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
Isaiah:30:10
Lolol Absolutely true
Right
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Who told you that you're not supposed to learn. Jesus told us before he ascended back to Heaven to go out into all the world and make disciples and you can't make disciples without sound foundational Biblical teaching. NOTE: I DIDN'T SAY PREACHING, I SAID TEACHING!!!!!
Intelligent black men realize that the Creator/God of trillions of galaxies and lifeforms don't communicate with words in a book, people do.
The Creator/God communicates through creation.
Christianity is psyco-anesthesia for peaceful acceptance of mistreatment.
That was a very fancy way of saying g religion is a drug and creates docile and peaceful zombies.
Obviously there ARE Pastors and those in leadership who are called of God and are genuine and decent in what they do (not that they are perfect because nobody is). However, it is ever increasing that many of the men in the 5-Fold Ministry in these churches operate out of a spirit of control, ego psychology. Too many of these men who were going to church have grown weary of seeing their WIVES doing more for their Pastor and putting what the Pastor says BEFORE her husband. No man in his sound mind is going to put up with that; especially if he (too) is serious regarding his personal relationship with God. Too many great marriages turn into nasty divorces IN THE CHURCH for this very reason.
Giving a church 10% of my hard earned money to be told how think was never going to work for me...I think for myself... Free thinker all day
I am a black man and I love the church
Came to Christ because of black men who preached Jesus. No grandma taking me or dragging me to church every Sunday until I "got it" story here!
AND.... want a cookie😂
Lost my father at 9yrs 1963 mothers back then were not your friend or party mate like today? Thought I had the meanest mother in the world? Didn't buy name brand, wouldn't let me stay out pass the street light, and Don't let that light shine on yo" Ass! It's lights out! She's long gone was proud of me and my success, now I understand the reason she laid down the law during Jim crow? Today a strong black man with his black wife, passing down to my now grown kids the Wisdom of my mother and the grace of God to steer me from hurt and harm!
I think alot of us blackmen have seen our mothers and grandmothers taken advantage of by the black church hoping and waiiting for sky daddy jesus. Every new or large church building was/Is heavily funded by blackwomen's donations, both great and small. Our differences are also evident, when women get tired of being promiscuous they go to church and when black men get tired of it, we settle down. Plus lots of bad relationships make these woman want Jesus more than a companoon.
I remember when I used to go to church how the ladies had so many meetings of different kinds. Like ministries to do so many things. Even tea meeting of fellowship where they could talk and gossip. The men decided to get together for their own fellowship. I was shocked to see how there were fears and concerns about the men doing this by the Pastor and the ladies. Men were not trusted for fear of losing control because men are considered bad. They didn't have the guts to say it out right but that was the slant in the double talk when it was addressed that shit was proof enough for me. I had a church divorce. I don't want another man in charge of my wife. Preachers claim that we are to surrender ourselves to a Pastor. God is my father and I am not a Catholic. Penticostals churches are the worst!!!!!!?
Because they don’t know the difference between going to church and becoming the Church. Let that marinate!
Too much foolishness happening at church.
I’m not a black man but my husband refuses to go to church. For me, It was more like a social club. It lasted way too long. I hated being chased to my car by weird guys who found out I was a single mom. My kids use to be laughing like crazy when we would be walking fast getting to the car to get out of church. It’s also a fashion show. I would wear jeans 👖, sneakers 👟 and a shirt 👚. Did I have nice clothes? Yes but God said comes as you are and I came how I felt those days. Those weird women would look at me with dirty looks. They always knew not to approach me because I always had a scowl on my face, which isn’t a scowl but me being in deep thought.
I’m definitely NOT becoming Muslim. I like to wear what I want to wear. I have 3 daughters and I would have never ever allowed them to marry a grown man in their adolescent years. Plus I’m way to vocal to become Muslim.
I’m glad we just stay home and spend quality time together on Sundays. We do go to church on Saturdays whenever I visit my dad or he visits me. We do it out of respect.
Glad I watched this, I had always felt the same way for years. I met a Christian of a different race at my job, and he introduced me to his church and I felt at home for the first time. The church is racially mixed, which is great, meeting Christians of different cultures.
This Is Total TRUTH!!!!!!
Powerful Wisdom.
I used to go to Mattress Temple now I go to Stay At Home Baptist. The service ain't long, ain't no choirs and annoucements, and the only building fund I have to give to is mine. Tell him thank ya!
I prefer Popeyes but wife likes churches 🍗🍗😇
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This took a minute to get to the point but once you got to it, you hit the nail on the head perfectly
An issue that needs to be addressed in the church, is the intrusive intervention of pastors in their congregation members personal relationships. This would not be an issue if it wasn't for the fact that a number of today's pastors are not following the Truth of the Bible. A lot of these modern pastors take advantage of their position in the church, many treats their churches akin to nightclubs/ discos. Finally, I believe they cause/ create more problems in people's personal relationships than help this is due to many women whom attend church are more willing to listen to their pastors more so than their husbands or partners.
A lot of this has to do with the attitude of the church. Quite a few Christians are so pious it's almost offensive
I appreciate your real talk brother on the topic...for me the problem I see in some Churches is that men, regular men in the church are not respected...the "only" man worthy to be respected is the male pastor....the wife'and the kids control the man....he follows the woman, she leads...that's like putting the horse before the cart, it wound work. So until the common / regular man is respected in the Church, you will see less men there.
I have a lot to say about this particular topic. First, I think a lot of black men don't go to church because the Black Church is so emasculated, also I feel like Black Men are constantly put down by a society that pushes women to be on the same level or in front of the man that we as men don't want to have to compete for authority as it pertains to the headship and the fellowship. You made a great point about the Muslim faith. And while I'm a believer and follower of the most High, I see that the Muslim faith teaches that men lead their homes and be the headship of their households. And while the church doesn't teach a lot of men how to be in authority, they sometimes don't feel like they have NO purpose. Also, black men don't put their money into anything that won't benefit them at the end of the day. Think about it. Most black churches cater to women by keeping them driven by their emotions and feelings. In order to speak to Black men, you have to be a strong Black man. I've just become awoke and some of what I've been told over the years have turned out to be lies and untruths. If you add the feminist movement and the gay agenda you really have a problem on your hand. And these are the things that most Black Churches and Black Pastors won't talk about. I can say so much more but this was a great Q & A..
I DONT LIKE CHURCH BECAUSE ITS ONLY A SHOW TALKING ABOUT NOTHING BUT NOW I GOT A PASTOR THAT TEACH AND THAT PASTOR GINO JENNINGS LOOK HIM UP BECAUSE I CAN HEAR HIM ALL DAY BECAUSE HE IS SO REAL.........
I rather go to meditation session or Buddhist session than go to church.
excellent video... I haven't attended church in over 20 yrs, I have no interest in playing a part in the charade.
I like this comment 😁
Havent attended church in 20 years?
What?
No annointing?
Prayers?
Liberty that Christ bings?
Peace from above?
Joy that His Presence brings?
Lifting of burdens ftom off thy shoulders?
Conferences?
Revivals?
Restorations?
Instruction in Righteousness?
Its amazing peole would leave written information of TREASON against the reality of the KINGDOM OF GOD?
A kingdom that Jesus Himself ushered in!
Despite issues that infected and affected the during his day Saint Paul
wrote "be reconciled to God" (2nd Corinrhians 5).
www.churchearlyhistory.net ; just check it out ;. may be the reason why you did not see real truth . Also check out Kevin Wesley on youtube .
Captain Philip, check out ra'ah smith at thewayofyah.com
@@fothgt you dont have a clue!
Thank you Sir. I just left a church for these reasons. I now drive for an hour to go to a different church that I feel more comfortable with.
We don't "run into the legal system", "the legal system run into us".......nuff said.
MISS ME WITH RELIGION (MAKE-BELIEVE), PERIOD!
Agree lol agree
I AGREE TOO! lol
100% of all religion is BS
Many of you all are absolutely Right about the concept of Religion because being Religious is what the Righteous would Declare as being FAKE ! Any Godly Person does not want to be that type of Person: We all should want to be Christ Like as possible and having the same type of mind that Jesus had during his Time here on Earth !
@@suavelleadams7098 Jesus, the make-believe-ass character? GTFOH!
YOU BROKE IT DOWN GOOD...AMEN FOR THE TRUTH BROTHER
I believe there are a lot of churches doctrines that cater to women. But the doctrine of Christ is neither feminine or masculine and we should not place his teachings in one category or the other. There may be an issue with getting men there when you said the church should be more family oriented but the people there are single parent families. So if the men were to be committed to their families instead of making children and not living up to their responsibilities then we can begin a dialogue about family unity. You made some very good points and I applaud you for this message.
Read up on the council of nicea 325. People are waking up.
Preach. I see someone is in the know.
"Read my book "The Black Atheist in America."
Black Men need to stop the blame Game. READ GOD'S WORD for themselves and ask God for Understanding. Lamb or Lion has nothing to do with obedience to God. Sin is what keep men and women from GOD. Have a heart transplant with the WORD of God!
The lack of.knowledge of self. And. The dna that leeds us to the prohects.is the greatest.sin.. We.must know.thy self
@@karltrafton7547 : I am a BIOLOGIST and yes I am BLACK. MAY GOD.BE WITH YOU. DNA, GOD made or make that too. Who do you believe God or MAN?
Brother, God Speed!
These explanation is the "heart cry" of many brothers I encounter. Thanks for posting and sharing this awesome view. I will be sharing this video with the hope of helping many brothers, ie church officials, understand that the focus must change if you want to reach men and if you want to "re-establish" God's Holy order.
Peace.
I grew up in the church I loved church but I was also confused as to why my mama would fall out and shout and speak I. Tongues then come home cuss us out beat us or seeing church pastors show favoritism to me that made me want to develop my own relationship with God. I've slipped so many times but I'm working on getting my relationship back with God.but only time I seen people really walking like there talking was Bible based church. Not a Broadway show and a few vs read b4 the big show.
Amen
Correction, SOME black men don't like church. You have to find a church that suits you, now don't look for a perfect church, you may stay late every now and then. Also, there are problems in every church so don't let that stop you from worship and yes you can worship at home but be honest when was the last time you worshipped at home? The church is filled with imperfect people, keep your eyes on Christ not on the people. Growing and developing starts with you, how hungry are you for the Word?
Because..The BLACK Man is...”GOD”..it’s naturally WITHIN and the Supernatural Spirit that RESIDES WITHIN can not be “taught”🙏🏾🙌🏾..TRUTH
P.S.... Any Human form that has a REAL SOUL would “Behave&/Respond” out of Anger ,Pain& Confusion when being striped of their original identity,ryt(?)😏😉..but yet “they” the very ones who’s caused all the corruption will “Demonize” and label them as “they’ve “ created it ALLL...#Hate&Evil&Lies!!!
Love Laced:
Great contribution and it can be supported biblically too!
hats your belief system (spiritually and otherwise??)
I love you Queen
The only faith that motivated me to read a book at 14 years old! The church never made me want to better myself. But the NOI.
Very well said and very well thought out. I have defended the Black Church in many previous videos in the past on various topics and have done so as the need to provide context to the discussion. If I may weigh in here I will add a few points I have not read in the comments as well as may have been stated as well. The main point that strikes me with particular concern is that the current structure of the church experience is lacking in its relevance. While the organized church has many areas that have failed the community, this is indeed troubling. I say that because that inditement is valid. In pointing out this truth it means that the church has failed to be the body of Christ and Christ as the head. The focus has been misplaced if the results of its function are not reaching the brothers who need Christ most of all. If the church's presentation is lacking in the delivery of the ministry, message, and mission of our Lord and Savior because the methodology and emphasis are off focus then it means we have to address this reality. Now if there is just some "style tweaking" that needs to be done then a few adjustments can be made. But that is NOT what I am hearing and reading in the comments.
There are many major concerns that are spoken here. However, it is incorrect to throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak, in that salvation of the souls of humanity is only found in Christ and Christ alone. His blood is the only hope of eternal salvation there is. Whatever the church has done wrong can be fixed but that basis for redemption is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Please understand and accept that fact as truth. The message of Christ's love is consistent with His word regardless of the preacher's flaws and shortcomings. The sacrifice Christ paid for our sins is yet relevant even if the church has taken the entertainment stage too extreme and the financial emphasis is out of balance. God is yet coming back for His church regardless of the hypocrisy and feminization of the folks in the building. While I am NOT condoning any of the mess, I am stating that the needs of and for the human condition have not changed on these basic simplistic levels. Can we agree? I will leave it right there for your consideration.
In closing, please let me leave this point. The church is made up of imperfect people who too need a savior. In the Bible, Christ selected flawed individuals to be His disciples for a reason. That is because He demonstrates His love towards us. And while we were yet sinners He redeemed us from our sins. He is the transformation and not the transformative needing individuals we see in the pulpits, TV, and stages and storefronts. Jesus Christ is still the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIGHT. If that was not clearly communicated at church then don't reject the source because those on staff are not representing Him well. Because HE is still worth seeking HIM even if it means finding HIM is a task. Don't miss HIM, please. HE waits. HE searches hearts, minds, and souls. HIS love draws and HE is available based on your search for HIM and HIS LOVING power.#TRANSFORMATION.
Rule #1 the slave and the slave master can't serve the same god. 400yrs of slavery and this white man religion didn't save not one person of color. It made us dumb and docile 2 our slave master's.
Me as a black woman I really do not enjoy going to black churches anymore at the age of 32 one of my main reasons is because there aren't enough strong masculine black men there
They ain't nothing there but booty boys.
strong masculine black men, you forgot smart. Too smart to fall for the phony.
Everybody want to be the chief, but nobody want to be the Indians.
It's about the Benjamin Samane. Why do you think all these storefronts Churches popping up on every corner
Hell no
Do you think if more pastors taught like minister brother Malcolm , talking about changing your mind and morals , and standing up for yourself , family and community , that it would make a difference . Enough to make men want to return to the church ?
100% on point. I left because of those points.
This guy hit it on the head! The black churches cater to the needs of women, and do very little for the brothers. The pastor should be "fishing for men", but they are intimidating by strong men. There should be a brotherhood amongst the men in the church. Muslim men sit in a circle and debate (peacefully) the Quran, they are huge on teaching men and on brotherhood. Muslims are not intimidated my strong men. Muslim provides structure and demands discipline. Christian pastors have no structure, and interact more with the sisters. Some sisters respect their pastor more than their husband. I guess pastors feel it is their job to protect women or it feeds into the insecurity as men.
The reason I stop going now 65yrs? It was all about money? The only one living large was the pastor, and his family? Next I was Spiritually seek God? So I start to read for myself? The rest is history! Church bricks and Mortar? Your Heart God do dwell if it's Open?
It sounds like you matured out of _"church."_
Very solid points and well said💯🙏🏽
Because we're not idiots
white dude here. Great points made by this guy, speaking from wisdom. Men (black or white) will increasingly have little to do with Church until it gives back authority. You cannot demand the responsibilities (to family, to society, to work) you demand from men without the concomitant authority to see it through. If you ask of me duty you must also grant authority, you cannot demand one and not provide the other, just as you cannot demand I build a house but provide no hammer.
I agree with you sir,what we as men need to know the church cannot save you,only Jesus Christ can do that,most of our church's preach false doctrine,We have the responsibility to know Jesus for ourselves,to study the word for ourselves so we will not become victims to con men and women who are false teachers,the people are the church,the body of Christ,not the building.Know Jesus for yourself and the Holy Spirit will lead you to true teaching and believers that has been my experience,because most of what will have now is Satan has infiltrated the church institutions,because people are gullible intrusting their salvation to false teachers and false prophets,it's sad what these false teachers are doing but they are going to pay for what they are doing,A man reaps what he sows and God cannot be mocked
I hope you are reading these comments. Chrustianity is no longer necessary for us.
The Awakening is here brothers and sisters the wakening is here
People are definitely waking up
No no. That's not the answer read your Bible the black man is the church.. we give our Tidings to our wives so she can go to church but we need to educate our women. Educated my wife about the church I am her church
Why.. because that's not the real PLACE of the MOST HIGH as simple as that and our people are waking up in the LORD does not dwell in the church in America he dwell within man.
Sideshows don't sell very well to men, and modern churches sell sideshows than gospel.
I have the same experiences, with the same background, in the same environment, under the same conditions you did. The only difference is the location. I left the church because I watched it change over a span of 30 years. Church became a concert and I was part of the production team, as a musician. The only thing I learned in that span was, what I call, sales pitch Scripture. It was't until I became disabled, that I saw it for what it was....a show. 🤔
I grew up in church ever since I was a child. What I have witnessed in the past 15 years has been a total failure of accountability, truthfulness and integrity in the pulpits. I’ve seen it all. All of the, “name it, claim it”, debt cancellation, money lines, “God said there’s 50 people in here that need to give $100, etc. then when only 20 people come down to give $100 and nobody else comes the pastor says “God said partner with someone on your row and bring the $100 together, etc. etc. its been nothing but a horse and pony show circus act. I’ve seen pastors stand in the pulpit and pull out a $100 bill to entice people to give $100 and then come back to the room where the money is being counted and demand to have the $100 back (Yes I witnessed this firsthand). A lot of the messages today are emotionally stimulated, lacks substance, depth and are carnal. I heard a pastor LITERALLY SAY AND I mean LITERALLY say if it comes down to whether you should pay your tithes or your light bill, you better pay your tithes smh. Straight foolishness. The biggest disappointment is the inability to attract Strong Male Figures in the Church because the pastor is threatened with men that are not “Jelly backs” and will challenge him on something if it doesn’t align with the word of God along with the lack of accountability and not listening to messages where they destroy men in the pulpit in front of a 80% congregation of single women. It’s all a business deal at the end of the day. Pastors are preaching messages to maintain their financial base by preaching a feel good, fairytale message. Feminism, prosperity and secular humanism has become a part of the main theme in a lot of sermons in the modern church world and the true Gospel of Jesus Christ is no longer the essence of the preached word. Sad Reality in todays church world and honestly I can’t deal with it anymore. I’m glad that I’m seasoned enough in the word to recognize these charlatans and avoid listening to their messages.
Actually they can go now because they are carrying purses to give pastors the money they need,YAHAWASHI don't dwell there
Money is not everything but you have to have black dollars coming into the black communities.
They’re very hypercritical,messy and they don’t do anything for the community if you don’t believe me get in your car and go a look 👀 👊🏾
What are the black barbershop, black clubs, black women saloon, micheal Jordan, black rappers tyler perry, Eddie Murphy. Are these business, and people paying your rent, your medical insurance. They are not
Christian church is strong
Your solution is a little right but you are 99% WRONG
Thre are black Minister, Black Bishop open your eyes.
You should star a organization just for black men only.
Every Black man needs to be in the word of God.
That's what the slave master said. I disagree though. I don't think we are supposed to get God from man. I think religion cripples us based on history
@@oldschool5 I get where you’re coming from but I don’t believe you should get God from man. I think you should get God from God by having a direct relationship with him. What the slave masters did was insurmountable and hateful but they weren’t Gods representative. They perverted the word of God and I’m sure that was felt when they died and faced judgement. But no man can lead himself to salvation. We don’t live forever and we should really think about where we will spend eternity. Don’t let religion or man (people) shape a perception of God that isn’t true. I’m speaking from experience not what someone told me.
Boys eventually grow into adulthood and realize church is full of lies and fairytales. On top of it, they want you to pay them to tell you lies. Men would much rather sleep in and choose their own brand of entertainment, such as eating a burger, drinking a beer and watching the game. AMEN!
Pasors say this "Money is the root to all evil but give it to me" so they can buy expensive cars and clothes etc,etc.
I told my sons to leave church
Great job, i think eventually they would have anyway.
Agree
The same reason Adam and Eve hide from God because they know they are naked. They don’t want to be held accountable for Sin.
Because GAME recognize GAME!!!!!!!
Thanks brother for bringing discussing this subject - well needed to call out these "gangsters ". They make shug look like a "choir boy".
I'm just not a believer in Jesus.
Also, there is sports on Sunday.
I am so glad I heard you out brotha,,,,,because I saw the title and the four letter words began to flow from my fingers, but you made so much sense and valid points that I had to re-address my thoughts about your topic, I'm still never going to go into a church ever again because the church will never change and there is no religion that knows anything about the "Most High" because for years things have only gotten worse so that tells me there is no "God" showing nobody his true ways especially these mega churches, but I commend you on your topic well spoken take care,,,,,,,,and yes I do believe there is a God/Creator/All Mighty!!!
We need more pastors like, pastor Darby. He was a real teacher.
Christianity was preached to black people in a manner to make us more docile. It wasn't the slave masters idea to make strong black men. God is where our strength lies, and it was never intended for you to be strong. I am a Muslim and I love strong black men. I can't respect anything else. In the NOI I was used to seeing strong black men. My father, my uncle's, my brother, and male cousins were all industrious. All the men in the Mosque were always busy, and serious. There wasn't 1 of them that you could get away with doing anything wrong in their presence. God made men and women, and we have an imbalanced world when only one side is allowed to be what God intended for them to be.
I concur 100% with your comment ; granted' especially nowadays it's all about entertainment ; the church is filed with "gospeltainers" ..
Lol
There are successful black men and other non black men raise by a single woman.
Because I realize organized religion is just another wave of oppression. Love doesn't have to make you a beating post for other people personal ideology.
Another good one Brother.
Don't say black men and lump us all together, just say the black men that YOU know
Exactly! All I hear is excuses, and my father and many ppl in my family are from Detroit and they grew up in the church...I grew up in the church and we had alot of decons and black men who were surrogate fathers, but growing up there were fathers in the home and etc so everyone wasn't a bastard child...Our church wasn't all about money...Yes, you paid tithes, but it wasn't about buying the Pastor his car etc...People have to understand every church is different and not ALL churches are mega churches and being in a church is a family, a community...Yes, hypocrites are everywhere, but you don't have social with them..You pray for them and move on....It crazy to hear the crap that ppl say, but I have no heaven or hell for anyone...Just know God stands on his word...
Exactly that's what the devil wants for men not to go that's how he destroys the black family
Kevin White, righteousness is not just something you read about in a book, it is a way of life, it is in your heart, before birth, it is who you are. Not looking for a reward, like a trained dog.
@@kevinwhite2069 Acts 7:4
I got a lot in common with the brothers.Church does not do nothing for me either.I need something to stimulate my mind and something to learn from too.I enjoy listening to Farrakhan and malcolm X then listening to preachers.Preachers at the church never interested me.I'm a black woman and I can tell when preachers are about nothing.I never go to church.I only went to church growing up because my mother made me go.I didn't like it then.It always put me to sleep.I hated when my mother wake me up forcing me to listen to it.My mother and aunt would always push me to go to church during my adult life but they never succeeded because I refuse to go.I attend funerals to pay my respect and that's it.I'm not going to something that's not for me.
Continue to read and seek knowledge. Once you get educated on where the bible stories really came from you'll really be pissed off.
@@ministerstayfly9213 I read and did a lot of research over the years.I read so many books on Egyptology, African people and European Holidays: mental Genocide book 1, African people and European Holidays: mental Genocide book 2 and many other books.I purchase many askra kwasi' s videos about how the romans and greeks stole from african spirituality and fabricated it and adjusted to fit their backward ass culture.I also know that they started changing a lot of religious concept at the council of neciest somewhere after christ or ad.I forgot the exact year.Excuse my spelling I can't seem to remember how to spell it.Hope you can figure out what I' m trying to say.
@@angelabrown8731 it's all good beloved, All i ask is that you share the knowledge. We have a job to do.