White Card vs Gray Card - White Balance Battle to the Death! - FOTGA 12" & Neewer
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- White Card vs Gray Card - White Balance Battle to the Death! - FOTGA 12" & Neewer
Karen obviously says that you can't use a Gray card for white Balance (only for exposure), so I made a video that compares using a White Card vs a Gray Card to set your White Balance in-camera for photography and video. I set up 4 different lighting scenarios (mixed light, daylight, studio and tungsten)...then I did tests to determine if there is actually a winner, along with tests on whether you should fill the screen or not, have it in the middle or not, if different brands of white and gray cards produce different results (FOTGA 12" vs Neewer Large Size Cards) and what white balance setting is best for taking your initial white balance image... (is it gray or grey...asking for a friend?). Timestamps can be found below...
*White/Grey Card used 1: FOTGA 12" 18% Grey/White Balance Card Two Sides Double Face Focus Board for Photograph ($14.99 CDA on Amazon)
*White/Grey Cards used 2: Neewer Large Size 2 Card Set 8" x 10" -White Balance/Exposure Card 18% Gray Card Set for Digital and Film Photography ($13.99 on Amazon)
This video is PART TWO of my White Balance Series:
- Part 1: How to Set Custom White Balance on Your Camera - • Custom WHITE BALANCE o...
- Part 3: Correct Basic White Balance issues in Post - • Fix Basic White Balanc...
- Part 4: Does Anyone Ever use White Balance Shift/Bracketing...? - • Canon WB SHIFT/BKT or ...
0:00 Start
1:08 Test 1: White vs Gray Card Battle
2:34 Test 2: Brand vs Brand Battle
4:01 Test 3: Coverage Area Battle
5:12 Test 4: Middle vs Side Battle
5:29 Test 5: White Balance Setting Battle
Studio Equipment;
Camera: Panasonic G9
Lenses: Sigma 16mm, 30mm, Panasonic 12-35 f.28
Microphone: Sennheiser MKE 600 with Beachtek DXA-SLR Ultra & Blue Yeti
Screen Recorded in 4K with OBS Studio ( • How To RECORD SCREEN i... )
Custom Build PC:
Ryzen 9 3rd Gen Processor
Asus Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 Super 8GB GDDR6
Asus Prime X570-P Aura Sync
Corsair MP600 NVMe PCle Gen4 x4 M.2 Force Series SSD
64 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 RAM 2666 MHz
32" BenQ 4K Monitor EW3270U
Intro Song:
Cold Killa (sting)
Outro Song:
Otis McDonald - Stay (sting)
Other Channels by Shawn Dolinski:
The Digital Workshop - / vm5foot12
JD Media (My Son's Channel) - / @jontom08
Click Here to watch more videos in my WHITE BALANCE series: th-cam.com/video/QFdYL6aUrSs/w-d-xo.html
I really like your approach cos you are answering the questions we all have but the 'experts' are missing. One observation though was that it was very hard for me to compare the examples as you basically cut a pic in half with the left side using one shade and the right using an alternate shade. For me you need to show the left (or right side) for both shades - that way we we comparing the same parts of the pic. But still great explanations :)
I hear you, for sure. I made the decision to do it this way to keep the video from being too long, but definitely realized afterwards that for some of them that I should have shown both full screen back to back instead (or as well). Thanks for the feedback.
This was my exact complaint with the test. It was pretty much impossible to compare because the left and right sides had completely different colored objects.
Thanks for all the in-depth tests and details, this exactly answers the questions I was having.
Glad it was helpful!
daym dude.. you did a fabulous job .. my all doubts are clear now
Glad I could help. Have a good one!
Dude, thank you so much! It’s a contentious world out there and this is the vid I’ve been looking for.
Ha! Glad it was useful.
This is perfect, answers MANY of my questions.... Thanks a lot!
You are welcome!
Excellent vid! Totally answered all I needed to know. Thanks.!
no problem! thanks for watching.
Thank you for this video, truly informative.
You're very welcome!
Thanks for answering all the questions I've had about grey vs white cards! :D
Happy to help!
It is Sam Holland! Yes, not brother of Tom Holland. Hahahaha!
He shares common sense which are not common. Common sense that people with exorbitant gears but zero photography/videography and light understanding.
Such a great video! Done really nice
I always use the gray side to first get the proper exposure value and then I would flip it over to the white side to get white balance
thanks! i've been wanting to know if distance was important. it makes sense to snap a photo with the grey card in the area you're trying to properly color correct.
You're welcome. Glad it was helpful!
I love your channel. Is Consistently Accurate Greaat!!!!!👌👌👌
Thanks! I appreciate that! I'm just trying to make videos that provide value, and are easy to understand. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the video, that was really helpful.
Glad to hear it! You're welcome.
Great testing Shawn- with thanks ....
No problem 👍 Thanks for watching!
Great vid. Thank you!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching 👍
I just saw the video and although I appreciate you doing it, I didn't come to any conclusion because you showed different sides of the image with different light and tones. You should have shown the entire photo on the left and on the right with the different cards! Would you do another vídeo, plz? TIA
Awesome comparison thanks for the effort 🫡
No problem 👍
Easy to follow. Well done.
Thanks. Glad you liked it!
god damn, your video looks so crisp and sharp man
thanks. Panasonic G9 is the camera I used, with a Sigma 16mm f1.4
Thanks, good way to illustrate something I've been trying to explain to another tog. Would have been great if you had included a quick demo of using the 18% to center histogram.
Yes, probably a good idea, there's always something else to add it seems...sometimes you don't even realize, sometimes it takes a viewer over a year later to think of it. Thanks for watching! 👍
@@ThisGuy Thought of it right away, just took a year to notice the video. It's good that youtube leaves them up instead of burying things like FB.
I'm color blind so white balance is the best I can do
Thank you!
No problem. Thanks for watching! 👍
That's crazy helpful.
Glad it was helpful! thanks for watching!
This is great!
Excellent vid
Thanks!
Excellent video.
Glad you liked it!
Great video! Loved all the test you've done. I'm late since this video is 3 years ago? I hope you still see this comment. I'm just wondering if my initial photo is blurred, will it be okay? I have those small white cards and a tele lens so I can't get the white card to cover most of the screen without getting out of focus
As long as the card is under the proper lighting (the light where you will be filming), then the card can be blurry.
@@ThisGuy Thank you so much for the reply!!
Hey man I didn't like my g85 auto white balance and I have small card like 3 different shade white grey, black, I think white card is best for custom white balance but this cards r very small, so what's ur opinion I m on right path or not🔥🔥
Well, custom white balance on a G85 (I have one as well) is a little bit easier to set than on a Canon camera, but I have never had much success at setting the white balance using those little cards. If you make the custom WB box small enough, they are probably fine. Also, the G85 shifts a little in the green direction most times...so I tend to need to fix that in post anyway.
@@ThisGuy I have so many questions regarding g85 plz can u ans them, like how to create Bokeh by the way I m using 12-60mm lens and background from me to is little 4 to 5 feet and I try to record in 1080p 25 fps at double Sutter speed and iso is kind 320 and I recording in widest frame possible at 12mm🔥🔥
So perfect 👌🏼
thanks!
great video!
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
A bit of searching on the web will reveal Nikon and Canon use laboratory setups to calibrate their cameras and don’t use 18 % grey. I don’t know what they use for white balance, in the laboratory but suggest it is reflected in their Auto White Balance settings. I shoot RAW and might occasionally tweak the white balance slider. I’m am Engineer, not an artist. Since my cataract surgery, any tweaking I did from 2010 would be suspect, by which I mean wrong to bizarrely wrong! Sorry to complicate the discussion.
My suggestion is to shoot RAW, adjust as you see fit and maybe change it in a year or two, or after you have cataract surgery and can once again see bright, clean whites. I can assure you, those whites will be pleasurable in the extreme.
Sorry if this offends experts who don’t own laboratory equipment but do own opinions. Well, honestly, maybe not so much… .
I think the grey left side was the more correctly exposed.
Thanks!
No problem!
Shouldn't there be more of a difference between covering the camera and holding it in the lights you are using? If my lights are set to 3200k and I cover the entire view with the white card and it's now out of the 3200k lights area, wouldn't the camera miscalibrate?
Ahh, okay. I see, now. I literally paused to ask this and then you explained. Makes a lot of sense.
Btw, something that might be interesting to of be to snap a photo after using the custom white balance and then read the actually number value the camera picks when you bring the raw file into Lightroom (so in essence, snap two photos. One for the white balance and one to read in Lightroom or something).
Yeah, there's actually a couple other variations I thought of after. Seeing what values were actually used would have been a good one too, for sure.
@@ThisGuy I've also found, and this is kinda off topic, that any lights you have that have a color cast (cheap LEDs) get corrected when you use the custom color balance on your camera.
Could help you in a future video, but I thoticed the color balance wasn't 3200k when. I set the lights there, etc. It was like 100-200 off. When I used 3200k or 5600k there was a magenta tint to my lights.
Thank you. I'm gonna get a white card.
For sure worth it. 👍
Thx bro
No problem
How about the Dark Side?
NICE
Thanks
Sir your's video is very helpful, plz tell me which white balance tool is best between
WhiBal G7 or Andoer12" or Expodisc i am very confused between them.
sorry. i missed this. To be honest, the best one is going to be the one that is most portable/functional (without being too small). I like folding ones that fit in any bag easily.
So really any of those 2 sets of cards are good for us to use?
Correct. They will all end up with slightly different results but close enough to fix easily.
@@ThisGuy Great! Thanks !
this is my problem. my 18% grey card is DIFFERENT to my soft round square thing (same as yours).
they are different for some reason. Shouldn't really matter though.
3:56 Regular white paper is free. I don't see the difference with "free" and "not free". So...
I'll go with the free version.
Thanks a lot, great video.
One little thing: it's hard to see the difference in the pictures. It would be easier if there was continuous horizontal colour on both side.
THUMBS UP... of course!
Yeah, I agree on the horizontal colour situation, would have been better for sure...but, as far as the white paper thing, it's more of a "structure thing" I'd say. Yes, white paper is also white, but it will not keep its structural integrity over multiple uses. Like, as soon as you put it in your camera bag/etc it will crumple, rip etc, it will also blow in the wind and get destroyed by water as well. So, yeah, not really a colour issue, but rather a not getting destroyed and convenience of use thing of time...
There is a difference in color, regular white paper is produced in a way to reflect more blue light to make it look whiter/brighter to our human brain. Hence if you're doing color critical work an actual white/grey-card is needed. It can be good enough for casual use, and definitely is better than not doing WB at all, however it's not a free equivalent.
U finna droppa beattape?
maybe...
👍
Thanks for the support!
IM PRETTY SURE THE CAMERA USES ONE PIXEL FROM THE CENTER FOR THE WHITE BALANCE SO THE EDGES DONT REALLY MATTER.
depends on your settings/camera. Why all caps? What edges?
my first camera ,zv1. no experience whatsoever . i feel trapped :))))
What can I help you with?
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White card is bast...??
You have a white target on your grey side. Cannot be accurate.
If you watched my other videos, I explain that I'm basically never looking for "accurate" but rather for consistency. My experiments show that both work fine to get a good looking image, plus I grade almost everything after anyways, plus people's monitors are often calibrated different, so even if "accurate" how many other people would even know? I don't work for any company where colour accuracy of their logo/brand is required either.
@@ThisGuy Why doing this if you dont ? LOL
@@GillesQuennevilleGQ Why doing what? LOL
Take care Bro.
@@ThisGuy A troll. 'It' meant, why you are "bothered" making video about white balance and the comparison between the types of "cards" when you colour grade and not into color accuracy. A troll is never about learning and education anyway. (They are selective, of course! Only their kind of education and learning are legitimate and true. Others' are illegitimate.)
One of those trolls which has titles in the English language, but content is in another language. Exactly like the majority of "tech" videos have titles and descriptions in the English language but people in those videos speak in either Tamil or Hindi. Yes, I am trolling the troller. LMAO! Sometimes the bully needs to be bullied, it needs to eat its own medicine in order to feel its own bitterness.
I COULD TELL THE FIRST PICTURE WAS A WHTE CARD ON THE LEFT BECAUSE THERE WAS LIGHT SHINING IN THE PICTURE AND GREY CARDS ALWAYS HAVE WEIRD COLORS BECAUSE THEY HAVE GREEN AND PURPLE TINT IN THEM TO MAKE THE GREY COLOR. THE OTHER PICTURES WERE TAKEN IN A DIMLY LIT ROOM SO THERE WAS NO NOTICEABLE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THERES NO LIGHT SHINING IN THE PICTURE. THE SCENE IS ALL GREY.
What are you even saying? Dim light or bright light, white balance is still impacted (as it's the temperature of the light, not the brightness). This was just a straight up test to see what the results would be, chill.
I thought my eyes were playing trick on me. I read THAT word repeatedly and it is - FOTGA 12" & Neewer KAREN!
I do not know whether somebody replied to this or not - Gray is "American". Grey is 'British' spelling. (See? I even know that they use different inverted commas/quotation marks! Do not ask me why or how I know! )
Anyway, yes, like those Audiophoolz. It is about the best gears and standards. They believe that the best gears make the best and accurate sounds. Like those "cinematography" Karens, you MUST shoot in 24 fps, shutter speed MUST be double the number of fps (more or less is a mortal sin), MUST be orange and teal, MUST blur background, etc. With these standards, many award-winning old films are then fcuking bad.
Charlie Chaplin is horrid, unnatural and incorrect fps, black and white damages eyesight.
The Matrix sucks, people are sick, inaccurate skin tone, destructive to children's mind, creativity is bane.
Barry Lyndon is a horror, candle scene is bad lighting, blurry on all the wrong places, confuses people to oblivion.
Oh, not forgetting Karens which can shoot sloppily and flippantly simply because they shoot in RAW and the fact that they have the most advanced one-click artificial intelligent plug-in or software to magically solve all their mistakes, dislikes, or dissatisfactions in their lousy images.
Do you even know what you are talking about or you just say random things here??
They were just simple comparisons/tests...? What part do you have a problem with?