I sometimes set the white balance of my camera in a wrong way because I didn‘t really know how the logic inside the camera works. I felt I had to make this video to show how you easily nail your colors with a white card (or grey card). Enjoy!
Thank you so much!!! This is exactly what i was looking for because i use this tiny color checker passport and cannot get close enough to let it fit the entire screen without having the shade of the lens on the chart. Have a great day!
Thank you! Yes I use the colorchecker passport too and you‘re absolutely right, it‘s too small for most usecases. I almost ever use the whitecard now instead.
could you do the same with a white paper too? or must have this white card? thank you so much , and well done for the video. quick simple and informative!!!
A white sheet of paper is ok but not perfect because it doesn’t reflect the light as equally from each angles as the whitecard. Second, I like that you can easily fold (or more queeze) it to a smaller size and can put it in your pocket. Third, on the back you have a 18% grey card which you can use for correct exposure. So it’s multiple useful tools in a small size. I‘d buy one and try it (see the link in the description), it‘s very cheap.
The grey card is for dialing in the exposure. Look for „how to expose for 18% grey“ videos for more details. And I always use the white side for white balance although technically I think you could use the grey side as well.
Hi and thank you for your comment! You can use a white card for white balance, the grey card is for setting the correct exposure. A grey card is called 18% grey card because of the light it reflects. This 18% grey is the „normal“ exposure for cameras where all the colors look right. So if you set your cameras meter for this 18% card, your image will look correctly exposed.
Nice one thank you! However, I still don't know if I should be using the white side or the grey side of my 'grey card'. Is white really the best side for setting white balance? others say no, use the grey side. I'm so confused!
Hi Usman, I only use the white side for setting whitebalance. The grey side is for setting exposure. Depending on which grey-value you have on your card, you can set the correct exposure in your camera which gives you perfect skintones. Maybe this video helps: th-cam.com/video/AVoOB4MATC4/w-d-xo.html
Set your metering mode to spot metering, your focus point to single and run your experiment again. In other words, it doesn’t matter whether you fill the frame or where you place the grey card in the frame as long as you are measuring correctly and in the right place.
@@RonaldKasper could you do a video on using the grey card? i have a set of these cards, 3 different colors, white and 2 shades of grey. Im not sure on how to use the grey ones, or for what exactly also.
There are already a lot videos about this topic, mybe try this here or search for "grey card exposure" on youtube: th-cam.com/video/AVoOB4MATC4/w-d-xo.html Hope that helps.
Thanks for sharing. This is really a great visual with the 4 versions. I've always used full white which gives me that grey. I will definitely try placing it in the center. Thanks
I wouldn't use normale paper, because most of it contains Optical Brightening Agents (OBAs.) They are used to convert invisible ultraviolet light into visible blue light to make the paper look more white (in most indoor scenarios) but with a blue cast. The extra blue creates an incorrect white balance in camera so it's better to use a white card (that's really cheap). The difference is not like night and day, but if you spend several thousand bucks for a camera and lenses, you might want to invest another 15 to get correct white balance :-) Next time I'd show the whole process, thanks!
Hi! I use the white side for white balance and the grey side for correct exposure. With my Sony A7siii I know that Middle Grey should fall into 41% IRE (for slog 3). So when you expose for the grey side of the card, the camera meter should read "0" (=zero). If not, you have to correct ISO and/or Aputure that the meter reads zero. That's all, your exposure should be correct now.
Thanks for the explanation! What if I want to retain the warmth of a lamp or tungsten? Should I white balance the correct Kelvin then make it warm/oranger in post, or should I do that in-camera by putting in the 'wrong' white balance, making the lamp light seem warm like the human eye is seeing it? Thanks!
Hi Nathaniel! If you want to show the orange tungsten color, you shouldn’t use a whitecard because it would look like normal white then. So I would do as you suggested and use maybe 4500-5000 K in camera so that the tungsten lighting looks orange as it should
Hi! I use white and grey cards differently. I use the white card for whitebalance and the grey card for correct exposure. But especially for landscapes, I don't use any cards to be honest. I mainly use them to get correct skin tones, so only when people are involved or the lighting conditions are tricky in general. For filming landscapes, I expose for the highlights (the sky). But I'm no professional landscape photographer/filmmaker so more experienced people might tell you different things here.
Thank you Kyle! This video was filmed in C Log and I graded it manually. First I made a color correction with the whitecard, then I added some teal and orange look on my own (pushed the shadows to blue, highlights to orange). After that I raised the blacks a bit to take away some contrast. That’s it!
Ronald Kasper man it looks incredible! My next video I upload will be with a whole new lighting set up. However I am still clueless how all the color correction works. Constantly learning!
White balance works with a grey card as well, in addition you can use a grey card to get the correct exposure of a scene. Look for videos like „set exposure with a 18% grey card“ and you’ll find out more.
This video came in clutch! I have just ordered white balance cards on Amazon and I was wondering if I have to fully fill the frame with the card! Thankfully I don't have to... Would be pretty difficult when filming myself on a 85mm haha
Thanks for this but I've been wondering if you are shooting with flash should you take the custom white balance picture with your flash or without it? And at the time that you take the picture which setting should you use? Awb? Daylight? Flash? TV? AV?
Explains everything EXCEPT what controls on the camera do I press to set the white balance? Maybe write a script beforehand and check it to see if you are explaining what the title of the video says this is about.
Sorry but I assumed everybody knows how to find the custom white balance menu in his own camera. If not, why would you watch such a video? But here’s a little tip: canoncanada.custhelp.com/app/answers/answer_view/a_id/1020848/~/setting-custom-white-balance-%28eos-5ds-%2F-eos-5ds-r%29
Exactly. It works basically with every white surface, but the whitecards are designed that they reflect the light equally from each angle of view. So they are a bit more reliable than other white surfaces.
First, make the photo of the whitecard as I showed in the video. Then open the camera menu with the menubutton, open tab 4 on the first camera-icon menu. Then select „whitebelance“. Choose the „custom“ icon for whitebalance that has the two triangles and one rectangle in the middle. After choosing this icon you are back in the main menu where you see „whitebalance“ and below the entry „custom whitebalance“. Select this „custom whitebalance“ menuitem. In there you can choose the foto you made in the beginning.
Your experiment only turned out that way because you used center spot metering. It turns out different if you use evaluative, or even center weighted. Please make a video to correct this, this video is misleading unless we have spot metering on, I lost a lot of money and a client when my wedding pictures turned out green.
Sorry but I assumed everybody already knows how to find the custom white balance menu in the camera. Here’s some information about that: canoncanada.custhelp.com/app/answers/answer_view/a_id/1020848/~/setting-custom-white-balance-%28eos-5ds-%2F-eos-5ds-r%29
I sometimes set the white balance of my camera in a wrong way because I didn‘t really know how the logic inside the camera works. I felt I had to make this video to show how you easily nail your colors with a white card (or grey card). Enjoy!
you have used white surface for white balance and 18% grey surface can do the same or is it for exposure only? any info.
@@baalvachan yes I use the white side for whitebalance and they grey one for exposure.
Good stuff. Good length, no wasted time and informative. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for your nice words, I‘m happy you liked it!
This was the best video. Actually came to know where this grey card to be placed
I wish u continued showing the steps to do the white balance.
Thank you so much!!!
This is exactly what i was looking for because i use this tiny color checker passport and cannot get close enough to let it fit the entire screen without having the shade of the lens on the chart.
Have a great day!
Thank you! Yes I use the colorchecker passport too and you‘re absolutely right, it‘s too small for most usecases. I almost ever use the whitecard now instead.
Short & informative! Thank you for this helpful video! 🌟😊👍🌟
You are welcome! And thanks for your comment!
This was super helpful - I always struggled with getting white balance off a white card. Also, the colours in your video look amazing!!
Thank you very much Mateen!
This is how all tutorial videos should be executed. Straight forward ! Thank You!
Thanks mate!
Hi Ronald, very useful and straight to the point. Thanks!
Thanks Patrick, I‘m happy when it helped!
Wow this is the exact explanation I was looking for. Sweet and simple. I could take a few notes from you for my explanations haha. New sub gang!
😂 welcome to the channel!
Thank you! You answered my question.
I‘m happy when I could help 👍
Very good - thanks. Makes up a little for how stupid the WB function is in the EOS R.
Yes it’s really much more complicated than in my new Sony A7s iii.
Thank you for doing this test, I wasn't able to find this answer anywhere else 👍
You are very welcome!
Thank you for posting this. Short, simple and to the point. It worked perfectly for me. Thank you!!
You’re welcome, thanks for your comment!
Hi Ronald, when to use white and when to use grey for balancing? Thanks!
For balancing use the white side. For correct exposure you can use the grey side. I didn’t show that part in the video.
Thanks for running this test! I was wondering the exact same thing a few days ago.
You’re welcome!
Straight to the point! many thanks for sharing the process
could you do the same with a white paper too? or must have this white card? thank you so much , and well done for the video. quick simple and informative!!!
A white sheet of paper is ok but not perfect because it doesn’t reflect the light as equally from each angles as the whitecard. Second, I like that you can easily fold (or more queeze) it to a smaller size and can put it in your pocket. Third, on the back you have a 18% grey card which you can use for correct exposure. So it’s multiple useful tools in a small size. I‘d buy one and try it (see the link in the description), it‘s very cheap.
@@RonaldKasper great thank you for the advice. I just starting and all this is so new to me ! appreciate your time to replay on my comment ! 🙏🙏
Thank You So Much!! You taught me how to do this! I’m so excited to start shooting photos now!!
Great video but another important question is- does it metter if i use gray card or black or white? How do i know which one?
The grey card is for dialing in the exposure. Look for „how to expose for 18% grey“ videos for more details. And I always use the white side for white balance although technically I think you could use the grey side as well.
@@RonaldKasper got it.. thanks man!
Thankyou,very informative video
Great content Ron. Question: Is it better to use the "white" or the "grey"? Keep up the good work.
Hi and thank you for your comment! You can use a white card for white balance, the grey card is for setting the correct exposure. A grey card is called 18% grey card because of the light it reflects. This 18% grey is the „normal“ exposure for cameras where all the colors look right. So if you set your cameras meter for this 18% card, your image will look correctly exposed.
I always wondered this - great test and video, thanks!
You’re welcome, I‘m happy when my videos can help. 👍
Nice one thank you! However, I still don't know if I should be using the white side or the grey side of my 'grey card'. Is white really the best side for setting white balance? others say no, use the grey side. I'm so confused!
Hi Usman, I only use the white side for setting whitebalance. The grey side is for setting exposure. Depending on which grey-value you have on your card, you can set the correct exposure in your camera which gives you perfect skintones. Maybe this video helps: th-cam.com/video/AVoOB4MATC4/w-d-xo.html
@@RonaldKasper Ah I see! Perfect, thanks Ronald. I was so obsessed with colours recently that I totally forgot about measuring exposure.
Set your metering mode to spot metering, your focus point to single and run your experiment again. In other words, it doesn’t matter whether you fill the frame or where you place the grey card in the frame as long as you are measuring correctly and in the right place.
New sub thanks! Short, direct, precise 👍👍👍👍
Thanks and welcome to the channel!
Excellent. At last a scientific approach. Thank you
You are welcome!
So we can use any white board and place it in the center of the camera to adjust and qualibrate the white balance right?
Yes, that’s how it should work!
thank you very much for sharing this with us.
You’re welcome, thanks for your comment!
awesome! couldnt find a clear answer to this anywhere! Thanks.
I‘m happy when the video could help!
@@RonaldKasper could you do a video on using the grey card? i have a set of these cards, 3 different colors, white and 2 shades of grey. Im not sure on how to use the grey ones, or for what exactly also.
There are already a lot videos about this topic, mybe try this here or search for "grey card exposure" on youtube: th-cam.com/video/AVoOB4MATC4/w-d-xo.html
Hope that helps.
Thanks for sharing. This is really a great visual with the 4 versions. I've always used full white which gives me that grey. I will definitely try placing it in the center. Thanks
You’re welcome and thanks for your comment!
Will A4 paper do?
And it would have been great if you went through the whole process, of how to change the WB in the camera menu :D
I wouldn't use normale paper, because most of it contains Optical Brightening Agents (OBAs.) They are used to convert invisible ultraviolet light into visible blue light to make the paper look more white (in most indoor scenarios) but with a blue cast. The extra blue creates an incorrect white balance in camera so it's better to use a white card (that's really cheap).
The difference is not like night and day, but if you spend several thousand bucks for a camera and lenses, you might want to invest another 15 to get correct white balance :-)
Next time I'd show the whole process, thanks!
When do you use the white or grey side?
Hi! I use the white side for white balance and the grey side for correct exposure. With my Sony A7siii I know that Middle Grey should fall into 41% IRE (for slog 3). So when you expose for the grey side of the card, the camera meter should read "0" (=zero). If not, you have to correct ISO and/or Aputure that the meter reads zero. That's all, your exposure should be correct now.
@@RonaldKasper thank you
Can you use a white reflector as a white card?
Basically yes, a white wall will be just fine as well in most situations
Thanks for the explanation! What if I want to retain the warmth of a lamp or tungsten? Should I white balance the correct Kelvin then make it warm/oranger in post, or should I do that in-camera by putting in the 'wrong' white balance, making the lamp light seem warm like the human eye is seeing it? Thanks!
Hi Nathaniel! If you want to show the orange tungsten color, you shouldn’t use a whitecard because it would look like normal white then. So I would do as you suggested and use maybe 4500-5000 K in camera so that the tungsten lighting looks orange as it should
Nice information
Thanks for showing us the experiment!
You are welcome! Subscribe for more to come ;-)
Thanks man! Works great 😁👌
You’re welcome! 👍
Thank you for this information. I have a question, do you use grey card when you are photographing the landscapes?
Hi! I use white and grey cards differently. I use the white card for whitebalance and the grey card for correct exposure. But especially for landscapes, I don't use any cards to be honest. I mainly use them to get correct skin tones, so only when people are involved or the lighting conditions are tricky in general. For filming landscapes, I expose for the highlights (the sky). But I'm no professional landscape photographer/filmmaker so more experienced people might tell you different things here.
@@RonaldKasper Clear....thank you very much!
Are you also using some filter on this video? You're picture looks like it has some sort of filter and I love it.
Thank you Kyle! This video was filmed in C Log and I graded it manually. First I made a color correction with the whitecard, then I added some teal and orange look on my own (pushed the shadows to blue, highlights to orange). After that I raised the blacks a bit to take away some contrast. That’s it!
Ronald Kasper man it looks incredible! My next video I upload will be with a whole new lighting set up. However I am still clueless how all the color correction works. Constantly learning!
Kyle Grimm thank you so much. And yes, colorgrading is a huge topic but it‘s worth diving into. You can really make a lot more out of your videos.
Thanks dude!
awesome sir lucky found u👍
You’re welcome. I’m lucky you watched my channel 😉
@@RonaldKasper ❤☺
very good
Thank you!
Absolute champion! Thank-you!
Thank you 🙏
Thx for testing this out!
Kevin Velghe you’re welcome! Just needed to know it
Does it make a difference if I use a grey balance card?
White balance works with a grey card as well, in addition you can use a grey card to get the correct exposure of a scene. Look for videos like „set exposure with a 18% grey card“ and you’ll find out more.
great video, can you do video about your shooting setup .. its nice
Thank's Demon! You mean a video about how I built my youtube studio? This already exists, have a look: th-cam.com/video/YDu5y28yQwA/w-d-xo.html
You are very genuine
Thank you!
Clearly explained! Thank you.
Thanks Edward!
This video came in clutch! I have just ordered white balance cards on Amazon and I was wondering if I have to fully fill the frame with the card! Thankfully I don't have to... Would be pretty difficult when filming myself on a 85mm haha
I‘ happy when it helped. I was never really sure how to do this, that’s why I made the video 😉
Thanks for this but I've been wondering if you are shooting with flash should you take the custom white balance picture with your flash or without it? And at the time that you take the picture which setting should you use? Awb? Daylight? Flash? TV? AV?
Cein_Music sorry in terms of photography I really don’t know that. This workflow is only for videography
@@RonaldKasper ok, :) thanks for your feedback
appreciate it
Thank you for this instruction
You’re welcome!
Explains everything EXCEPT what controls on the camera do I press to set the white balance? Maybe write a script beforehand and check it to see if you are explaining what the title of the video says this is about.
Sorry but I assumed everybody knows how to find the custom white balance menu in his own camera. If not, why would you watch such a video? But here’s a little tip: canoncanada.custhelp.com/app/answers/answer_view/a_id/1020848/~/setting-custom-white-balance-%28eos-5ds-%2F-eos-5ds-r%29
So if i am going to make video nevermind where i go, just make picture with this white stuffs and thats it?
it is also works with just WHITE shirt?
Exactly. It works basically with every white surface, but the whitecards are designed that they reflect the light equally from each angle of view. So they are a bit more reliable than other white surfaces.
thank you
You’re welcome!
Okay...But how do you do that in the EOS R?
First, make the photo of the whitecard as I showed in the video.
Then open the camera menu with the menubutton, open tab 4 on the first camera-icon menu. Then select „whitebelance“. Choose the „custom“ icon for whitebalance that has the two triangles and one rectangle in the middle.
After choosing this icon you are back in the main menu where you see „whitebalance“ and below the entry „custom whitebalance“. Select this „custom whitebalance“ menuitem.
In there you can choose the foto you made in the beginning.
Good job
Inti Kasim thank you very much!
👍👏👏👏👏 thanks for thé trick, allostérique good video
You‘re welcome!
Helpful!
Thanks Tracey!
danke war sehr gut :)
Sehr gerne, Birgit!
HAD TO SUBSCRIBE!!!! Us small youtubers have to support each other! thank you for this video! very short and to the point! thank you!!!
Thanks mate! I subscribed as well!
@@RonaldKasper Thank you! 🙏🏿🙏🏿
The best of the best of the best
Thank you 🙏
I thought your image was too warm. But then I turned off night mode on my phone 🤣
😂
thankx bro its help me a lot and u desserve a hard like with subscribe :)
Your experiment only turned out that way because you used center spot metering. It turns out different if you use evaluative, or even center weighted. Please make a video to correct this, this video is misleading unless we have spot metering on, I lost a lot of money and a client when my wedding pictures turned out green.
Ausgezeichnet!
great
Thank you Joe!
you left OUT how to actually do it in Camera - THANKS
Sorry but I assumed everybody already knows how to find the custom white balance menu in the camera. Here’s some information about that: canoncanada.custhelp.com/app/answers/answer_view/a_id/1020848/~/setting-custom-white-balance-%28eos-5ds-%2F-eos-5ds-r%29
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