@@kp2294 Agar factual baat krni hai toh kr, gyan mat pel. Casteist people are the biggest enemies of Hinduism, Bhimtas are casteist towards the so called savarnas and Trads are casteist towards the so called Dalits.
@@ReligioCritic To g mara dalle.... No uc want any bhim ta.. Itna icha he to bhim ti prerna ki muh me dede... We don't want any relation with bhim tas... Ab nikal nich admi
I cannot thank you Kushal enough for this podcast with Prerna. I read and heard so many conflicting opinions on this social plague, Prerna and you are probably the first ones who could present an accurate picture. Thank you once again Kushal and an even bigger thanks to Prerna for her service 🙏🙏🙏
Why casteism should be eliminated from Hindu society: 1. The so-called lower castes stayed loyal Hindus through hundreds of years in spite of discrimination and all incentive to convert to Islam/Christianity 2. Endogamy results in weaker generations, lower IQ, rampant disease and vulnerability 3. Caste is determined by one’s actions and occupation, not birth 4. Nowadays, We are all performing acts that belong to all 4 historical castes: if we work for a company or another person, we are shudra; if a so-called lower caste person serves in the police or army, they are by definition, kshatriya 5. There are other definitions of caste found in Hindu texts, one of which is based on how strictly brahmacharya is observed 6. Hindus believe every human being has a soul which at the core, is nothing but God, Aham Brahmasmi. Thus necessarily implies that caste is a human construct but our reality is identity with God. 7. Caste is a stick used to beat up on Hindus by other religions. The true sages such as Swami Vivekananda used to consider caste discrimination as madness. Perhaps there was a time and a place for it in the past. We are long past that now.
"Endogamy results in weaker generations, lower IQ, rampant disease and vulnerability" - That is from marrying cousins or other close relatives, but you can have endogamy without cousin marriage.
I wholeheartedly congratulate & thank Mr. Mehra for speaking on this controversial topic. The only way to end caste system is for the downtrodden depressed classes to democratically aquire political power as Dr. Ambedkar had instructed. Equality cannot come through charity or caretakership of others.
I don't think the problem ends there because various lower caste people have acquired political power. They have gained esteemed positions like that of diplomats and civil servants. The thing is they try to deny and end their relationship with their respective caste. They just want to let go of it. They do not work on an individual level to annihilate the current system and uplift them. It's same as how ashrafs in Muslims treat the pasmandas as vote banks. They deliberately try to resist their upliftment or pay no heed to it.
that's not solution today many lower caste are at higher places and some parties are build upon caste based thing , so this will change nothing, we have to change their mind , im from lower caste and believe ne discrimination happens between lower caste people too ,
For the first time I have heard a very sensible dialogue on reservations which is bereft of any hate and solution oriented that would address issues of all sections of the society. I have heard Prerna in other contexts, new level of respect for her.
Such a pleasure listening to Prerna. Love her clarity, it shows the ground work that she has done. I also really like Kushal's idea of training for people like us who struggle with our Hindu dalit identity in the face of preying proselytization. I'll be getting in touch with Prerna. And I've always believed the problem lies within. Glad we're finally talking about this as a society. Thanks for the podcast Kushal.
My suggestion would be to drop the labels (like Dalit) you struggle with and emphasise more on the labels (like hindu) you probably feel more comfy with And every time someone directly or indirectly discriminates, just wear a big smile and ask “but why me. What about me makes you uncomfy”. This approach needs a self assurance and self confidence but trust me this worked for me every time I tried 😊
I belong to the Maithil Brahman caste. My grandmother and many other elderly people in my family wouldn't eat food cooked by some low-caste individual or eat the cooked food if it's touched by someone from a lower caste. I, on the other hand, have shared food and eaten in same plate with my friends without thinking about the caste they belong to. What I believe is, that casteism will cease to exist in the next few generations.
We, as a conscious generation can right the wrongs of our predecessor by taking affirmative action. People like you are truly a gem & must be appreciated. I thank you from the the bottom of my heart, you're seen you're heard never lose sight of what you believe in, there are more people like you, it has to be... Thanks again! From a Brother from another mother!
It will not cease, because it's being modified into more Sophisticated way.. It will only be eradicate with no filling of Caste column only one column to be filled Religion. No caste based Surname, Surname should be dropped, Compulsary Intercaste marriage at larger scales.
@@Dr_Tesla_ Dropping of surnames will lead to nothing as you can't expect someone to forego their caste identity, and mandatory inter-caste marriages is an inherently absurd idea. Members of a society already know who belongs to which caste.
(Arya Samaj , Swami Jitendranand Saraswati,Yati Narsinghanand) is doing good job on ending this caste stupidity. We should support such organisation & people.
@@billybutcher6504 read Savarkar's book to know what he is talking about. It wasn't just Ambedkar.. it was a lot of other people too besides Ambedkarji , Phuleji and Kanshiramji
@@LetsbeHonest97 Bro, I know that Mahatma Phule and Shri Kanshiram have done lot of effort to end caste. And Babasaheb also considered Mahatma Phule as his Guru. But, we are not talking about them, we are talking about savarkar. Ppl have misunderstanding that Saavarkar was anti caste, but he was not really. When Babasaheb burned Manusmruti, savarkar opposed it. This only proves how savarkar, as u say, was against casteism. Lol
@@billybutcher6504 He opposed it because of the repercussions on the community itself. He also started Bharat's first Inter-caste dining cafe in Ratnagiri. Read Vikram Sampathji's book. Read Savarkarji's work. A major part of it is poetry by the way.
@@LetsbeHonest97 What repercussions? 😂 Without the destruction of Manusmiriti the repercussions of it was already detrimental for society. To destroy the book which preach casteism is of bad consequences?😂 Then how the hell savarkar became the person who worked to end caste if he was affraid of the consequences which could araise when u try to end caste? Lol Ur logic is out of this world my friend.
I'm dalit this my story from very rural village of central India ~people say you're Hindu but we are not Hindu , I don't belong to your religion Hinduism mere or bhi Jo dalit Bhai /Behan h unse ye guzarish h Hindu me fit hone ki koshis Nahi kare (during my school 2007) I hate this religion , me to lower caste se belong karta hu , My muslim friends sit and eat with me but my Upper caste Hindu brothers never sit with me , they don't eat or drink with me ! They always discriminate me over my caste ,my muslim friends never discriminated me . We are not the same as you Hindus ! Jao Central India ke village tab pata chelga ,upper caste Hindus never treat us in good manner we are slave my mother works in fields Rs 5000 for a month yes for upper caste rich family they have around 100 hectare of land so we are slave for them I still remember my childhood they called us chammar or bhangi , abuse you mock you , their kids use to kick us, troll , beat us.ham kyo ye raja or inko hamara mane , jab hame Hindu temple gusne hi Nahi dete , aaj bhi hamare village me 2 temples h ek upper caste Hinduo Ka or ek lower caste Ka we never enter their rich temple , they don't allow us do so, also they don't allow us to drink water from handpump , they're the first and they clean whole thing if we touch it , yes we are different and untouchables ! We in 2007 /December converted into Christianity with my whole family , Christians funded our education and me and my elder brother studied from convent schoo my mother got job ofschool cleaning lady as we moved to the city not much discrimination against us ! the childhood nightmare still haunts me , my muslim friends still have my respect for making my childhood great ! And for Christian community who are helping people like me from this old age Hindu barabric stoneage practice , you're changing lives of millions !what if we stayed there I couldn't even understand the language and knowledge of this world It's depressing I can't tell you how we ve lived rotten slaves , millions of slaves ,they take you to do their household work with less money discriminate you , humiliate you Once my mother got touched by upper caste (land owner ) it's the guilt I have till this day I don't have any power to say anything to him , hopefully we left that phase , what should I say more to this , it's intricate in society you can't rent a house in major cities also they ask you your caste , in job sector they also prefer higher caste (Private Co. ) reservation real good for people like us my brother got govt job in 2016 , what he's facing now from upper caste seniors give extra work ,and uneven mocking from colleagues , but it's not as bad as our childhood trauma ,I respect those fellow saviours ! I'm 20 now working +studying , by god grace we are having house to live , food to eat , clothes to wear , but something is missing which is my childhood !we are not ever get chance to leave that past just like everyone , it's remain with us stayed with us This is real crulity of this world ! ThankYou my regards to you guys !
@@ankansenapati3600private corporations doesn't have reservations if there is no reservations we could have live well it's about skills, knowledge and experience think that way
@@ankansenapati3600 I studied from very local school of village without knowledge of anything and English Then I moved it from that to convent school we don't have money our education till 12th paid by churches Our mother is work stuff there, we work after the school too, the thing is for people like us barely afford to get any academy to get good and knowledgeable education , private corporations doesn't only mean IT and etc , I'm studying + working , we don't afford to pay that fees of those institution . But we can learn basic livelihood without reservation it's not bothering factor ,the government job my brother have it doesn't mean that he got less marks then other no sir you re wrong if think like that , it's help in govt local lvl grade schools with less money that's it what I mean there , money is the key honestly. We are not privilege people not have connections you live in India if you don't have any connections and medication , you can't survive ! Reservation don't earn our livelihood Sir ,
You are here with propaganda. And about ISLAM whole world knows how peaceful it is. Ask the pasmanda muslim they will tell you about caste discrimination.
During marriage ceremony at my home, women were bothered about shadow of camera person’s touching their sacred Kuldevi’s place. Cause he was probably not upper caste.
Rigveda 10.90.12 - all four varnas are in Purusha and in all of us and we need to unleash that side of us fitting the time of need. When war is upon us all varnas must become meat eaters and take up arms.
Would have loved to Listen to the viewpoints of Prerna in more detail..Kushal Mehra should also probably let the other person speak more on his podcasts rather than taking speaking about his "experiences" which unfortunately are quite boring and seem very forced..I appreciate the people he brings on his podcast and maybe he should let them speak more..
This is the podcast that I was searching for, Kushal. Please do discussion on cast issues again. As there are very less people having discussions on this topic.
It’s very difficult to have a discussion on caste. Nobody wants to solve it in India, neither nobody wants to take this issue head on. This system was created to solve the problem of labour shortage in older societies as middle class emerged due to services and trading professions.
what benefits that caste or varna give us in the Hindu society. If not we should get rid of it. Why can't a non Brahmins become the priest of our Mandir.
@@ankansenapati3600 That is what i am saying. Varna system in Manusmriti clearly mentioned that varna system is not by birth but by thier profession. But due to invasions Indian philosophy is distorted. In fact word caste came from CASTA which was introduced by Spanish to divide and rule India.
@@billybutcher6504 Dude are u that naive. We know varna is caste system but it’s current form is different. Back in the day varna system was not by birth but by merit but it got exploited by ppl to make it into rigid system. Also there are different condescending ways in every country from racism to discrimination.
@@revanth84 And how it got exploited?? And who exploited it?? Do u know it?? If not then be quite. Its brahmins who did it by writing discriminatory shastras. No single holy hindu script is written by god, all are written by brahmins to establishes their hegemony by divine means.
Casteiest behavior is far far far away from even touched especially in Himachal uttarakhand up bihar Rajasthan even in South it's highly prevalent. Things will only get better with education and senior generation passes away.
yea AIM always complains about Iyengars being too trad and all, but Iyengars and mostly Dwaitha following people actually accept Dalits more. Now they are obviously no way near where Kushal stands, and have several casteist views, it's just comparatively better. Especially the acceptance of Kanakadasa after the entire incidence of his devotion, is probably one of the reasons, again I am not saying they are not casteist, they absolutely are, just not as trad as 1:13:20 as someone mentioned here.
Disclaimer I am not against rajputs. Many rajputs are Devi worshippers so are they not casteist. What I have seen that they are more castiest than vaishnavites
Every brahmin ,thakur and baniya must understand reservation are not going anywhere . Jo karna hai kar lo . Chahe modi aaye chahe yogi reservation to hogi .
All pre-industrial societies were castist basically including Europe (serf system/ Nobility etc.), Middle East. The only solution is industrialization, dignity of labor - basically a massive expansion of what has happened already in Urban India, a pan Indian Hindu identity with caste as merely Hindu and nothing else.
@MR map Turqs envade India and white inslave black but still it's outside their race . Not like us who are look same but still discriminate against each other
Industrialisation will wipe religion, family, society and culture. And will bring environment destruction, mental illness, individualism, and depression.
@@ankansenapati3600 ha ha, that’s the biggest joke in the world as the worlds largest slave traders were Muslims and Christians . Let’s not even get into the Christian feudal serf systems, racial segregation and casta in Latin America. Islam still has rampant tribalism in the Middle East and elsewhere which is caste by any other name.
In my life i never asked anyones cast, but I have seen castism up close in my ancestors village eastern UP and it Still is. Even though in city when they come they don't do it anymore but it suddenly changes back ASAP they are back in village. Even within the sc st community there is their own hierarchy. We are highly divided among ourselves no surprises we become easy pray to conversation.
This was a brilliant podcast, I have had a very serious conversation on reservations with a friend of mine who was my best friend from class 3rd and we had a conversation about caste and I had no idea he was an SC, because it never bothered me or my family and i grew up in a household where this was never an issue. Now that i get to here this It makes me think that he might have had other experiences and something if we could have discussed more and handled the topic differently and much maturely we could have sustained the whole friendship. To the people out there who want to have a good conversation on issues like this. Try to be more patient with each other and make sure you give each other time for logical, moral and legal rebuttals and have an extended conversation, so that the horizon of your thoughts can extended to a level and something positive can come out with this. also, no political, socio-economic, class, culture, creed, religion or gender should be an issue over which a friendship or a relation should be broken. Indifferences are good too. Try to maintain a positive relation with people.
i agree that casteism existed before British...in one way or the other i nave been experienced many times in my life.. but don't you think fluidity cease to exist for many reasons... 1. Islamic invasion of india especially of women atrocities 2.human nature to posses and maintain their authority in the society over others 3. British made institutionalized the caste system which makes hard for today hindu society to reform and become fluid again 4. finances and livelihoods associated with community like kula vrutti 5.also in today's Indian society the failure of institutions like justice and policing and social security..which unfortunately somewhat communities provide or support their own. 6.lack of infusion of technology into the profession which associated with sanitary etc..ex:like gong farmers in Britain in about 17th century... 7. also lack of educating spiritual knowledge and values to younger generations and also parents. 8.also families groom their children certain characteristics which makes them to further their kulavrutti... so on like this....i want our hindu society to become fluid back according to abilities and profession rather than the birth...like sri Krishna says in gita" Chatur varnyam maya srustam guna karma vibhagasah" it happens only through spirituality and education....
what benefits that caste give us in the Hindu society. If not we should get rid of it. We are not Abrahamic religion that one book decides everything, if we want why a non-bramins can't become a priest in Our Mandir.
@@ankansenapati3600 look sir...assume for a moment you have a general store in you area...you had a business of 10000/day after a year some 2 new shops come in then your business went down...to 4000/day...now tell don't you curse them and feel bad about your business getting challenged. brahmana is nothing but literal meaning is one who has knowledge.... being a brahmin is not easy sir...then need to follow n no of rules...practice and learn many shastras....like non eating meat...getting early...do sandhya vandanam ...learn shastras....avoid garlic and onion ..etc...etc... to be fair to brahmin apart from discrimination from them ....i would ask you be like brahmin and then decide for yourself...... you need to understand onething ...every society has good phase and bad phase...also has white and black and grey situations traditions and practices... we aspire for good deeds.... when ever there is the threshold cross regarding dharma of society...time and again people evolve mainly bramhin scholars to challenge the status quo of bramhims hegemony itself....ex like shankaracharya , ramanujacharya,madhavacharya,basavanna,ekanath,kalidasa.... also for your information there are no of non brahmins who are performing pujas in the capacity of pujari ex.. my senior is SC they build and run hanuman temple in which his father is priest.... also there are many temples whom preists are non brahmins.... i challenge you to get up 3.30am for an year without aday missing....and be in the shoes of bramhin for an year....then you will know the hard part of being a bramhin... by the way i am not a bramhin kid....i i am just looking objectively...that's it... Also...after kurukshetra war ...looking at killing of kauravas..gandhari cursed sri krishna that your clan will get destroyed...where he replied that yadavas became rich and powerful and prosperous....because of the me...nobody can destroy themselves but themselves looking at their arrogance and hegemony....i am sure u could relate to the situation...
@@vijaykumar4500 i understand your points and indeed being a brahman is difficult but assing that someone is brahman by birth is wrong thats what we are fighting for nothing else that is what hindutva is
Bhai tu caste hata Hum agle din reservation hata dunga Untouchablity is not our problem Our problem is that you create obstacles into our opportunies. Who are you to decide what we should do Secondly why do you taunt??? These two things
24:00 The difference between Savarkar and Dr B. R. Ambedkar was this. Ambedkar failed to speak about this. Edit: Ok Kushal speaks about this, lol, my bad.
Yeah it's true my great grandfather is give up his caste identity because he saw that his father was badly treated by uppercaste but his father treated people who are lower than his caste badly . As baba saheb say hindus are having a civil war for millennia.
Why do you feel sorry for a immutable past? Is this some upper caste burden? This thinking is the death of society, attributing on the living the sins of the long dead. Apply this on islamic oppression and western colonialism and see how the world plunges into chaos. We see this already in america, we dont want this stupiditybin India.
I am a Dalit Tribal. You don't have to say sorry many people from Upper Caste did try a lot to change society for good. in Maharashtra we have saints like Dyaneshwar and Eknath from Brahmin family. they loved us wholeheartedly . whenever you get opportunities educate people against discrimination and help oppressed people whenever possible. that's what I am also doing. jay Hind.
Dalits and Shudras are denied entry into temples and rightly so, since they are not Hindus Ghar wapsi is not an ootion.They should look else where for their spirituality such as Buddhism. They should realise that Hinduism segregates then as out castes. There is no antidote.
Hinduism stands tall because of the Hindu dalits because they refused to convert to Islam even being beaten by both Hindus and Muslims. Many Rajputs got turned into Dalits
All of the Steppe pastorolist immigrant are a rural cattle herding community ... Does that identity become superior to a farmer, fisherman manual labour etc
Don't agree with Prerna. Even Ambedkar wanted Dalits to leave Hinduism and get into Buddhism. Unless and until Hinduism reforms itself completely and stop the discrimination, Dalits would and should leave Hinduism and get into other religion (preferably Buddhism as they will continue to get reservation benefits)
Prerna is absolutely correct about sc/st who actually deserves the reservations but are downplayed by crypto Christians. So i belong to santhal tribe , although we aren't hindu but we are considered a schedule tribe. Conversion is very rampant in our community but the funny thing is the converted ones shame our nature worship religion calling us demon worshippers and what not but when it comes to reservation these mf will shamelessly mention in documents that they belong to sarna dharm. They don't leave their original surnames unlike many Christians in the South so that they can easily benefit from reservations.
My stand on this is always clear Dalits and some OBC must convert to Mahayana Buddhism. Mahayana Buddhism is very similar to some sect of Hinduism it more tolerant than Navayana. Mahayanaist also worship some hindu gods and consider Rama a bodhisattva . Over all Mahayana Buddhism can provide respect to Dalits as community without hatred of hindus.
I would like to respectfully disagree with you brother. Caste is a societal problem. All major Buddhist nations had record of casteism( I've used "Had" because most governments in these nations tried their best to end casteism, Indian politicians on the other hand made sure that caste remains, so that they could use caste dynamics and easily win elections).Buddhist countries like Japan(It practices a form of Mahayana Buddhism) still discriminates with their own 3 million Burakumin people and treat them as untouchable. Pew research organization's report on intercaste marriage in India shows that 67%OBCs are against intercaste marriage(33% support), 64% Brahmins are against intercaste marriage(36%support), 61% SCs/STs are against intercaste marriage(39% support) and 59% non Brahmin General are against intercaste marriage(41% support). This report tells us that even Dalits are highly against intercaste marriage because there is a hierarchy even in Dalit community, someone from Mahar community will never marry someone from Mang community even if they both convert to a different religion(there are historical records of Mahars discriminating against Mangs). The only solution which i can think of is to create a casteless category just like General/OBC/SC/ST there should be a casteless category and anyone from General/OBC/SC/ST can become casteless if he/she wants to shed his/her caste identity, i believe as urbanization, education and infrastructure would improve more and more people will become casteless.
@@ReligioCritic Well I will not mind even if rudely disagree with me . People have the right to agree and disagree with each other we are not same . I share my view you share yours . I have my own reasons and experience to belive in what I belive and you have your own reason . And I also respectfully disagree with you bro .
@@ReligioCritic If there is reservation, a affirmative action already available why you think people will choose to go to casteless category. Nowadays if you gave any general category students the choice to convert to OBC, SC or St they will accept it happily.
Manusmriti is not a well known book among hindus. Only others bring it out to do politics and propaganda against hindus. Manusmriti was law book of the ancient times and now we have different law book. Hindu laws change with time and perfectly allowed. Casteism is actually community division just like religion and linguistic groupism and tribalism. Yes, modern hindus need to redefine the old varnas so that they cannot be misused anymore. Maybe Brahmin-varna, Kshatriya-varna, Vaishya-varna, and other varnas given according to their present occupation and accomplishments. Old jati or community based casteism should be removed or overridden. Also conversion is NOT a solution because there is more to lose if identity is lost.
But today people don't choose profession based on varna or caste. Anybody who is talented and hardworking can become anything like doctor, Coder, Entrepreneur, Teacher etc. Raja ka beta raja nehi banega wahi banega Jo haqdar hoga. I hate it when people defend varna system by saying it's based on profession. But then why a dalit in the ancient India couldn't become a scientist, doctor or anything intellectual.
@@ankansenapati3600 Are you daft? Was the term dalit even used before? The same valmiki samaj who is considered lower caste today that same maharishi Valmiki was a brahmin. Same goes for ved vyas. Same goes for Vidur who was given the title of mahatma.
@@ranitbiswas680 I said so because he was ridiculed as a dasi putra by kauravas frequently in the Mahabharata. It was actually he who was suited for the throne out of pandu and drithrashtra. But he wasn't considered because of his lower birth. It's what the Mahabharata says. Also it should tell you that "lower castes" were not prohibited from education contrary to the general consensus. We don't have to go even that far. Dharam pal in is book "a beautiful tree" has cited through British records the literacy rate of bharat to be above 90% before British occupation.
This means India have to open lot of blood banks for each caste I dont know weather really a god said or some other element said for god never divide human beings some wrong beleif
34:30 Edgy teenagers who have no idea what they say, I agree when Kushal says kids are dumb, yea they are pretty dumb and I think I am too, but well probably a bit better than them.
You cannot systematically annihilate jaatis because every jaati community has it’s own unique lifestyle and traditions, that it is proud of. It can only go organically when people mingle at school and work.
This was eye opener, to understand telilugu speaking states.Who says all this shit stuff I have not even heard it from my grand parents. In tamilnadu it is groupism. At the end of the day these stupid people will never be in power, so you should support free temple . There are too many of us.
Lower caste should construct a grand temple and not allow upper castes or casteist to enter. Instead of self pity , blame game , victim card or converting into anrahamic foreign cults all the lower caste people should feel proud and self respect for their own caste.
Until there are reservations and our educational seats and jobs are stolen from us, we do not want any unity with Lower Castes. They can stay below us, ham casteist hi sahi
@@user-xj6kq2gx8y well the current reservation system isn't doing anything robust either. Free education, atleast schooling, is the only way I see out.
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If Hinduism has to be saved, caste system must end.
Bhim tas are the biggest enemy of hinduism... Itna problem he to nikal le
@@kp2294 Agar factual baat krni hai toh kr, gyan mat pel.
Casteist people are the biggest enemies of Hinduism, Bhimtas are casteist towards the so called savarnas and Trads are casteist towards the so called Dalits.
@@ReligioCritic To g mara dalle.... No uc want any bhim ta.. Itna icha he to bhim ti prerna ki muh me dede... We don't want any relation with bhim tas... Ab nikal nich admi
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I bet If it was not for saving hinduism you wouldn't give a damn about caste system
We as the Hindu must accept that caste is bad,& dilution of caste should be done & we have to work on this.
I cannot thank you Kushal enough for this podcast with Prerna. I read and heard so many conflicting opinions on this social plague, Prerna and you are probably the first ones who could present an accurate picture.
Thank you once again Kushal and an even bigger thanks to Prerna for her service 🙏🙏🙏
Why casteism should be eliminated from Hindu society:
1. The so-called lower castes stayed loyal Hindus through hundreds of years in spite of discrimination and all incentive to convert to Islam/Christianity
2. Endogamy results in weaker generations, lower IQ, rampant disease and vulnerability
3. Caste is determined by one’s actions and occupation, not birth
4. Nowadays, We are all performing acts that belong to all 4 historical castes: if we work for a company or another person, we are shudra; if a so-called lower caste person serves in the police or army, they are by definition, kshatriya
5. There are other definitions of caste found in Hindu texts, one of which is based on how strictly brahmacharya is observed
6. Hindus believe every human being has a soul which at the core, is nothing but God, Aham Brahmasmi. Thus necessarily implies that caste is a human construct but our reality is identity with God.
7. Caste is a stick used to beat up on Hindus by other religions.
The true sages such as Swami Vivekananda used to consider caste discrimination as madness. Perhaps there was a time and a place for it in the past. We are long past that now.
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"Endogamy results in weaker generations, lower IQ, rampant disease and vulnerability" - That is from marrying cousins or other close relatives, but you can have endogamy without cousin marriage.
I wholeheartedly congratulate & thank Mr. Mehra for speaking on this controversial topic. The only way to end caste system is for the downtrodden depressed classes to democratically aquire political power as Dr. Ambedkar had instructed. Equality cannot come through charity or caretakership of others.
Bullshit
economic power should also be goal. money gets you a lot of things.
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I don't think the problem ends there because various lower caste people have acquired political power. They have gained esteemed positions like that of diplomats and civil servants.
The thing is they try to deny and end their relationship with their respective caste. They just want to let go of it. They do not work on an individual level to annihilate the current system and uplift them. It's same as how ashrafs in Muslims treat the pasmandas as vote banks. They deliberately try to resist their upliftment or pay no heed to it.
that's not solution today many lower caste are at higher places and some parties are build upon caste based thing , so this will change nothing, we have to change their mind , im from lower caste and believe ne discrimination happens between lower caste people too ,
For the first time I have heard a very sensible dialogue on reservations which is bereft of any hate and solution oriented that would address issues of all sections of the society. I have heard Prerna in other contexts, new level of respect for her.
Such a pleasure listening to Prerna. Love her clarity, it shows the ground work that she has done. I also really like Kushal's idea of training for people like us who struggle with our Hindu dalit identity in the face of preying proselytization. I'll be getting in touch with Prerna.
And I've always believed the problem lies within. Glad we're finally talking about this as a society. Thanks for the podcast Kushal.
Why do you struggle?
My suggestion would be to drop the labels (like Dalit) you struggle with and emphasise more on the labels (like hindu) you probably feel more comfy with
And every time someone directly or indirectly discriminates, just wear a big smile and ask “but why me. What about me makes you uncomfy”. This approach needs a self assurance and self confidence but trust me this worked for me every time I tried 😊
Great conversations. Congratulations 🎉 kushal ji for inviting matha ji . Sreemathe ramanujaya namaha madha ji
I belong to the Maithil Brahman caste. My grandmother and many other elderly people in my family wouldn't eat food cooked by some low-caste individual or eat the cooked food if it's touched by someone from a lower caste. I, on the other hand, have shared food and eaten in same plate with my friends without thinking about the caste they belong to.
What I believe is, that casteism will cease to exist in the next few generations.
We, as a conscious generation can right the wrongs of our predecessor by taking affirmative action.
People like you are truly a gem & must be appreciated.
I thank you from the the bottom of my heart, you're seen you're heard never lose sight of what you believe in, there are more people like you, it has to be...
Thanks again!
From a Brother from another mother!
It will not cease, because it's being modified into more Sophisticated way..
It will only be eradicate with no filling of Caste column only one column to be filled Religion.
No caste based Surname, Surname should be dropped, Compulsary Intercaste marriage at larger scales.
@@Dr_Tesla_ Dropping of surnames will lead to nothing as you can't expect someone to forego their caste identity, and mandatory inter-caste marriages is an inherently absurd idea. Members of a society already know who belongs to which caste.
Hindus don't want Dalits to leave them but want them to continue to be subservient?
no exactly thats what we are fighting for
(Arya Samaj , Swami Jitendranand Saraswati,Yati Narsinghanand) is doing good job on ending this caste stupidity.
We should support such organisation & people.
Caste discrimination among the Hindus is the biggest weapon for anti-Hindu and breaking-India forces.
In that case the Savarnas are the peak antihindus who without any merits say they are brahims kshatriyas and so on.
In the West where Adivait Vedanta is slowly growing amongst people varna is not even a thing.
Advaita Vedanta is not growing in the West lol. Atheism and anti-Christianism is growing.
The Hare Kistjna movement call themselves to be a polymorphic Monotheism. Not advaita .
I think (Arya Samaj ) is the best solution to end caste division.👍
This beautiful podcast has 14k views... Let that sink in..
Ghar Wapsi will not work if the Hindu society doesn't have anything to offer to the people
That's why Savarkar and his fight for destroying caste should be taught to every Bharatiya
Savarkar or Ambedkar?? U still tightly associated with rss agenda. Cant u be neutral and rational??
@@billybutcher6504 read Savarkar's book to know what he is talking about. It wasn't just Ambedkar.. it was a lot of other people too besides Ambedkarji , Phuleji and Kanshiramji
@@LetsbeHonest97 Bro, I know that Mahatma Phule and Shri Kanshiram have done lot of effort to end caste. And Babasaheb also considered Mahatma Phule as his Guru.
But, we are not talking about them, we are talking about savarkar.
Ppl have misunderstanding that Saavarkar was anti caste, but he was not really. When Babasaheb burned Manusmruti, savarkar opposed it.
This only proves how savarkar, as u say, was against casteism. Lol
@@billybutcher6504 He opposed it because of the repercussions on the community itself. He also started Bharat's first Inter-caste dining cafe in Ratnagiri. Read Vikram Sampathji's book. Read Savarkarji's work. A major part of it is poetry by the way.
@@LetsbeHonest97 What repercussions? 😂
Without the destruction of Manusmiriti the repercussions of it was already detrimental for society.
To destroy the book which preach casteism is of bad consequences?😂
Then how the hell savarkar became the person who worked to end caste if he was affraid of the consequences which could araise when u try to end caste? Lol
Ur logic is out of this world my friend.
I'm dalit this my story from very rural village of central India
~people say you're Hindu but we are not Hindu , I don't belong to your religion Hinduism mere or bhi Jo dalit Bhai /Behan h unse ye guzarish h Hindu me fit hone ki koshis Nahi kare (during my school 2007)
I hate this religion , me to lower caste se belong karta hu , My muslim friends sit and eat with me but my Upper caste Hindu brothers never sit with me , they don't eat or drink with me ! They always discriminate me over my caste ,my muslim friends never discriminated me . We are not the same as you Hindus ! Jao Central India ke village tab pata chelga ,upper caste Hindus never treat us in good manner we are slave my mother works in fields Rs 5000 for a month yes for upper caste rich family they have around 100 hectare of land so we are slave for them I still remember my childhood they called us chammar or bhangi , abuse you mock you , their kids use to kick us, troll , beat us.ham kyo ye raja or inko hamara mane , jab hame Hindu temple gusne hi Nahi dete , aaj bhi hamare village me 2 temples h ek upper caste Hinduo Ka or ek lower caste Ka we never enter their rich temple , they don't allow us do so, also they don't allow us to drink water from handpump , they're the first and they clean whole thing if we touch it , yes we are different and untouchables ! We in 2007 /December converted into Christianity with my whole family , Christians funded our education and me and my elder brother studied from convent schoo my mother got job ofschool cleaning lady as we moved to the city not much discrimination against us ! the childhood nightmare still haunts me , my muslim friends still have my respect for making my childhood great ! And for Christian community who are helping people like me from this old age Hindu barabric stoneage practice , you're changing lives of millions !what if we stayed there I couldn't even understand the language and knowledge of this world
It's depressing I can't tell you how we ve lived rotten slaves , millions of slaves ,they take you to do their household work with less money discriminate you , humiliate you
Once my mother got touched by upper caste (land owner ) it's the guilt I have till this day I don't have any power to say anything to him , hopefully we left that phase , what should I say more to this , it's intricate in society you can't rent a house in major cities also they ask you your caste , in job sector they also prefer higher caste (Private Co. ) reservation real good for people like us my brother got govt job in 2016 , what he's facing now from upper caste seniors give extra work ,and uneven mocking from colleagues , but it's not as bad as our childhood trauma ,I respect those fellow saviours ! I'm 20 now working +studying , by god grace we are having house to live , food to eat , clothes to wear , but something is missing which is my childhood !we are not ever get chance to leave that past just like everyone , it's remain with us stayed with us This is real crulity of this world ! ThankYou my regards to you guys !
Then convert to other religion and leave the reservation you get okay.
@@ankansenapati3600private corporations doesn't have reservations if there is no reservations we could have live well it's about skills, knowledge and experience think that way
@@truth981 University like(IIT,NIT,DU etc) which provides most high paying private jobs has reservation that you get.
@@ankansenapati3600 I studied from very local school of village without knowledge of anything and English
Then I moved it from that to convent school we don't have money our education till 12th paid by churches
Our mother is work stuff there, we work after the school too, the thing is for people like us barely afford to get any academy to get good and knowledgeable education , private corporations doesn't only mean IT and etc , I'm studying + working , we don't afford to pay that fees of those institution . But we can learn basic livelihood without reservation it's not bothering factor ,the government job my brother have it doesn't mean that he got less marks then other no sir you re wrong if think like that , it's help in govt local lvl grade schools with less money that's it what I mean there , money is the key honestly. We are not privilege people not have connections you live in India if you don't have any connections and medication , you can't survive ! Reservation don't earn our livelihood Sir ,
You are here with propaganda.
And about ISLAM whole world knows how peaceful it is.
Ask the pasmanda muslim they will tell you about caste discrimination.
Ask RSS, when they will have a Dalit Sarsangachalak..
@Alexios I Komnenos if ppl of RSS r all for equal representation n social justice, they should have a Dalit Sarsangchalak.
@@noxiousnc8552 as he said
they had a dalit sarsanghchalak
Thanks Kushal, Iam very happy to have known about Ms Prerana Ji and immensely benefitted by the insight and information She has shared with us here.
During marriage ceremony at my home, women were bothered about shadow of camera person’s touching their sacred Kuldevi’s place. Cause he was probably not upper caste.
Damn 😮
Great insight on the current time.
The Indus Valley inhabitants are the true high caste of India and they deserve that respect. The IVC disappeared in 1900bc.
I never believed in love-jihad concept until Prerna explained how SC/ST become targets. Thank you ma'am!
U didn’t learn about it being used overseas? Like in UK? Patrol gangs? Barbary traders??
@@RojaJaneman enlighten me
@@atz1091 Sure. Google those topics. Read related materials. I’m not ur mama.
Love jihad happens to every community - not just lower caste.
In the West, even the white people are spared. Look up - Rotherham grooming gang case.
@@anandrmnn ur comment is shadow banned
We as a youth,should take pledge that we will marry outside our caste.Small steps brings a lot of change 👍👍👍
Rigveda 10.90.12 - all four varnas are in Purusha and in all of us and we need to unleash that side of us fitting the time of need. When war is upon us all varnas must become meat eaters and take up arms.
Yes I heard so many times puri shankaracharya making these statements that shudra's should not be allowed to enter temple..
Would have loved to Listen to the viewpoints of Prerna in more detail..Kushal Mehra should also probably let the other person speak more on his podcasts rather than taking speaking about his "experiences" which unfortunately are quite boring and seem very forced..I appreciate the people he brings on his podcast and maybe he should let them speak more..
Such good work Prerana. More power to you. Keep up the good work. Also Kushal ,kudos to you for bringing up these topics.
The young lady says she vegiterian , but does not eat Onions or Garlic , but those are vegies
😅😅 you know i talked to some christians and they said Egg and fish are vegitarian too
This is the podcast that I was searching for, Kushal. Please do discussion on cast issues again. As there are very less people having discussions on this topic.
Kushal is the only guy on the podcast circuit on the hindu revivalists who takes on caste. Never heard Chawda or Ranveer say a word
What about megasthene's notes about indica which says no "hierarchy in this society "
Please correct me if I mis read the notes
Freeing temples will also help the SC/ST community as it will get us Hindus financial power.
It’s very difficult to have a discussion on caste. Nobody wants to solve it in India, neither nobody wants to take this issue head on.
This system was created to solve the problem of labour shortage in older societies as middle class emerged due to services and trading professions.
Kushal, this was one of your best podcasts. Informative and eye opening.
Varna is Hindu philosophy. And it is not by birth but by their profession. Caste is used by politicians and missionaries to divide hindu's
what benefits that caste or varna give us in the Hindu society. If not we should get rid of it. Why can't a non Brahmins become the priest of our Mandir.
@@ankansenapati3600 That is what i am saying. Varna system in Manusmriti clearly mentioned that varna system is not by birth but by thier profession. But due to invasions Indian philosophy is distorted. In fact word caste came from CASTA which was introduced by Spanish to divide and rule India.
Varna is cast and varg is class. U had varna system aka cast system.
@@billybutcher6504 Dude are u that naive. We know varna is caste system but it’s current form is different. Back in the day varna system was not by birth but by merit but it got exploited by ppl to make it into rigid system. Also there are different condescending ways in every country from racism to discrimination.
@@revanth84 And how it got exploited?? And who exploited it?? Do u know it?? If not then be quite.
Its brahmins who did it by writing discriminatory shastras. No single holy hindu script is written by god, all are written by brahmins to establishes their hegemony by divine means.
Excellent Knowledge and Explaintion By Perena Sister 🙏🙏. Lot's Of Respect 🙏🙏
Casteiest behavior is far far far away from even touched especially in Himachal uttarakhand up bihar Rajasthan even in South it's highly prevalent. Things will only get better with education and senior generation passes away.
yea AIM always complains about Iyengars being too trad and all, but Iyengars and mostly Dwaitha following people actually accept Dalits more. Now they are obviously no way near where Kushal stands, and have several casteist views, it's just comparatively better. Especially the acceptance of Kanakadasa after the entire incidence of his devotion, is probably one of the reasons, again I am not saying they are not casteist, they absolutely are, just not as trad as 1:13:20 as someone mentioned here.
Disclaimer I am not against rajputs. Many rajputs are Devi worshippers so are they not casteist. What I have seen that they are more castiest than vaishnavites
Prernaji, amazing work!!! Pranam.
Even though she and her family are "dalit," she and her parents are actually culturally very "brahmin."
Even though she's Educated and Well off she's being discriminated by the SO CALLED Brahmins based on BIRTH.
Every brahmin ,thakur and baniya must understand reservation are not going anywhere .
Jo karna hai kar lo .
Chahe modi aaye chahe yogi reservation to hogi .
bhai dekh, abhi toh khatam nahi ho rhi reservation
ik that
but , ek din khatam karna zruri hai
@@pratyaytiwary8316study hard... Tera cutoff jada hai😂😂😂😂😂
All pre-industrial societies were castist basically including Europe (serf system/ Nobility etc.), Middle East. The only solution is industrialization, dignity of labor - basically a massive expansion of what has happened already in Urban India, a pan Indian Hindu identity with caste as merely Hindu and nothing else.
Ha ha, Ibrahamic religion disrtroy the concept of caste and creed. Because the first premise of book Bible is every man is created equally.
@MR map Turqs envade India and white inslave black but still it's outside their race . Not like us who are look same but still discriminate against each other
Industrialisation will wipe religion, family, society and culture.
And will bring environment destruction, mental illness, individualism, and depression.
@@ankansenapati3600 ha ha, that’s the biggest joke in the world as the worlds largest slave traders were Muslims and Christians . Let’s not even get into the Christian feudal serf systems, racial segregation and casta in Latin America. Islam still has rampant tribalism in the Middle East and elsewhere which is caste by any other name.
@@ranitbiswas680 there is no culture left in south korea and Singapore.
All poor have only one caste - poverty.
Very good episode 👍🏼
In Hinduisn you are born into your caste by divine ordination or karma Nothing can change that .
Cast sei kya tatparya hai bhaiya? Kul? Jati? Varna?
In my life i never asked anyones cast, but I have seen castism up close in my ancestors village eastern UP and it Still is. Even though in city when they come they don't do it anymore but it suddenly changes back ASAP they are back in village. Even within the sc st community there is their own hierarchy. We are highly divided among ourselves no surprises we become easy pray to conversation.
This was a brilliant podcast, I have had a very serious conversation on reservations with a friend of mine who was my best friend from class 3rd and we had a conversation about caste and I had no idea he was an SC, because it never bothered me or my family and i grew up in a household where this was never an issue. Now that i get to here this It makes me think that he might have had other experiences and something if we could have discussed more and handled the topic differently and much maturely we could have sustained the whole friendship.
To the people out there who want to have a good conversation on issues like this. Try to be more patient with each other and make sure you give each other time for logical, moral and legal rebuttals and have an extended conversation, so that the horizon of your thoughts can extended to a level and something positive can come out with this.
also, no political, socio-economic, class, culture, creed, religion or gender should be an issue over which a friendship or a relation should be broken. Indifferences are good too. Try to maintain a positive relation with people.
Rashtravadis should promotes & provide platforms to (Hindu Dalit) leaders, cause left use them for their propoganda politics.👍👍👍
i agree that casteism existed before British...in one way or the other i nave been experienced many times in my life..
but don't you think fluidity cease to exist for many reasons...
1. Islamic invasion of india especially of women atrocities
2.human nature to posses and maintain their authority in the society over others
3. British made institutionalized the caste system which makes hard for today hindu society to reform and become fluid again
4. finances and livelihoods associated with community like kula vrutti
5.also in today's Indian society the failure of institutions like justice and policing and social security..which unfortunately somewhat communities provide or support their own.
6.lack of infusion of technology into the profession which associated with sanitary etc..ex:like gong farmers in Britain in about 17th century...
7. also lack of educating spiritual knowledge and values to younger generations and also parents.
8.also families groom their children certain characteristics which makes them to further their kulavrutti...
so on like this....i want our hindu society to become fluid back according to abilities and profession rather than the birth...like sri Krishna says in gita" Chatur varnyam maya srustam guna karma vibhagasah"
it happens only through spirituality and education....
what benefits that caste give us in the Hindu society. If not we should get rid of it. We are not Abrahamic religion that one book decides everything, if we want why a non-bramins can't become a priest in Our Mandir.
@@ankansenapati3600 look sir...assume for a moment you have a general store in you area...you had a business of 10000/day after a year some 2 new shops come in then your business went down...to 4000/day...now tell don't you curse them and feel bad about your business getting challenged.
brahmana is nothing but literal meaning is one who has knowledge....
being a brahmin is not easy sir...then need to follow n no of rules...practice and learn many shastras....like non eating meat...getting early...do sandhya vandanam ...learn shastras....avoid garlic and onion ..etc...etc...
to be fair to brahmin apart from discrimination from them ....i would ask you be like brahmin and then decide for yourself......
you need to understand onething ...every society has good phase and bad phase...also has white and black and grey situations traditions and practices...
we aspire for good deeds....
when ever there is the threshold cross regarding dharma of society...time and again people evolve mainly bramhin scholars to challenge the status quo of bramhims hegemony itself....ex like shankaracharya , ramanujacharya,madhavacharya,basavanna,ekanath,kalidasa....
also for your information there are no of non brahmins who are performing pujas in the capacity of pujari ex.. my senior is SC they build and run hanuman temple in which his father is priest....
also there are many temples whom preists are non brahmins....
i challenge you to get up 3.30am for an year without aday missing....and be in the shoes of bramhin for an year....then you will know the hard part of being a bramhin...
by the way i am not a bramhin kid....i
i am just looking objectively...that's it...
Also...after kurukshetra war ...looking at killing of kauravas..gandhari cursed sri krishna that your clan will get destroyed...where he replied that yadavas became rich and powerful and prosperous....because of the me...nobody can destroy themselves but themselves looking at their arrogance and hegemony....i am sure u could relate to the situation...
@@vijaykumar4500 i understand your points
and indeed being a brahman is difficult
but assing that someone is brahman by birth is wrong
thats what we are fighting for
nothing else
that is what hindutva is
Bhai tu caste hata
Hum agle din reservation hata dunga
Untouchablity is not our problem
Our problem is that you create obstacles into our opportunies.
Who are you to decide what we should do
Secondly why do you taunt???
These two things
24:00 The difference between Savarkar and Dr B. R. Ambedkar was this. Ambedkar failed to speak about this.
Edit: Ok Kushal speaks about this, lol, my bad.
Yeah it's true my great grandfather is give up his caste identity because he saw that his father was badly treated by uppercaste but his father treated people who are lower than his caste badly .
As baba saheb say hindus are having a civil war for millennia.
Maududi's Views on Jihad - it will expalin every problem of India: please make a stream on this topic
I can’t help it. But I feel always sorry for what my ancestors did. So really sorry
Why do you feel sorry for a immutable past? Is this some upper caste burden? This thinking is the death of society, attributing on the living the sins of the long dead. Apply this on islamic oppression and western colonialism and see how the world plunges into chaos. We see this already in america, we dont want this stupiditybin India.
I am a Dalit Tribal.
You don't have to say sorry
many people from Upper Caste did try a lot to change society for good.
in Maharashtra we have saints like Dyaneshwar and Eknath from Brahmin family.
they loved us wholeheartedly .
whenever you get opportunities educate people against discrimination and help oppressed people whenever possible.
that's what I am also doing.
jay Hind.
Sun dalle... Jake apne ma se puch kis bhim te ke paas soke tujhe paida ki he
dude with all due respect. Your ancestors only made the system. most of the discrimination was done by brahmins on brahmins and dalits on dalits.
@@sohamdhoptey1466
So he is saying sorry for that.
It means he doesn't approve to that though of discrimination
What do u expect now from him?
Great episode
Very interesting debate,another debate please
Dalits and Shudras are denied entry into temples and rightly so, since they are not Hindus Ghar wapsi is not an ootion.They should look else where for their spirituality such as Buddhism.
They should realise that Hinduism segregates then as out castes. There is no antidote.
Hinduism stands tall because of the Hindu dalits because they refused to convert to Islam even being beaten by both Hindus and Muslims.
Many Rajputs got turned into Dalits
All of the Steppe pastorolist immigrant are a rural cattle herding community ...
Does that identity become superior to a farmer, fisherman manual labour etc
Don't agree with Prerna. Even Ambedkar wanted Dalits to leave Hinduism and get into Buddhism. Unless and until Hinduism reforms itself completely and stop the discrimination, Dalits would and should leave Hinduism and get into other religion (preferably Buddhism as they will continue to get reservation benefits)
Does laxmi puja works ?
its symbolic
at least thats how is see it
We want another podcast
Only BRAHMAN AND THAKURS ARE CASTIEST...
REST ALL HINDUS ARE OK
LETS REMOVE BOTH OF THEM
Should we pitch Jainism to Dalits because it will be much more nearer to our culture and would be easier to end the discrimination too
wont work
jains are only made of baniyas
and jains usually dont really convert anyone in their religio
Thanks
Prerna is absolutely correct about sc/st who actually deserves the reservations but are downplayed by crypto Christians. So i belong to santhal tribe , although we aren't hindu but we are considered a schedule tribe. Conversion is very rampant in our community but the funny thing is the converted ones shame our nature worship religion calling us demon worshippers and what not but when it comes to reservation these mf will shamelessly mention in documents that they belong to sarna dharm. They don't leave their original surnames unlike many Christians in the South so that they can easily benefit from reservations.
Admiration Prerna articulate incisive good
it's not the same as 90s kushal. there is a new flyover that takes you from T2 straight to WE Highway.
My stand on this is always clear Dalits and some OBC must convert to Mahayana Buddhism.
Mahayana Buddhism is very similar to some sect of Hinduism it more tolerant than Navayana.
Mahayanaist also worship some hindu gods and consider Rama a bodhisattva .
Over all Mahayana Buddhism can provide respect to Dalits as community without hatred of hindus.
I would like to respectfully disagree with you brother. Caste is a societal problem. All major Buddhist nations had record of casteism( I've used "Had" because most governments in these nations tried their best to end casteism, Indian politicians on the other hand made sure that caste remains, so that they could use caste dynamics and easily win elections).Buddhist countries like Japan(It practices a form of Mahayana Buddhism) still discriminates with their own 3 million Burakumin people and treat them as untouchable.
Pew research organization's report on intercaste marriage in India shows that 67%OBCs are against intercaste marriage(33% support), 64% Brahmins are against intercaste marriage(36%support), 61% SCs/STs are against intercaste marriage(39% support) and 59% non Brahmin General are against intercaste marriage(41% support). This report tells us that even Dalits are highly against intercaste marriage because there is a hierarchy even in Dalit community, someone from Mahar community will never marry someone from Mang community even if they both convert to a different religion(there are historical records of Mahars discriminating against Mangs). The only solution which i can think of is to create a casteless category just like General/OBC/SC/ST there should be a casteless category and anyone from General/OBC/SC/ST can become casteless if he/she wants to shed his/her caste identity, i believe as urbanization, education and infrastructure would improve more and more people will become casteless.
@@ReligioCritic Well I will not mind even if rudely disagree with me .
People have the right to agree and disagree with each other we are not same .
I share my view you share yours .
I have my own reasons and experience to belive in what I belive and you have your own reason .
And I also respectfully disagree with you bro .
@@smoky3302 No problem bro.
Though these are not my "beliefs" but, "conclusions" that I've come to.
@@ReligioCritic If there is reservation, a affirmative action already available why you think people will choose to go to casteless category. Nowadays if you gave any general category students the choice to convert to OBC, SC or St they will accept it happily.
it's their choice they can covert to whichever religion gives them dignity and makes them feel equal
Its (S -ex Jihad) not love jihad ...
Manusmriti is not a well known book among hindus. Only others bring it out to do politics and propaganda against hindus. Manusmriti was law book of the ancient times and now we have different law book. Hindu laws change with time and perfectly allowed. Casteism is actually community division just like religion and linguistic groupism and tribalism. Yes, modern hindus need to redefine the old varnas so that they cannot be misused anymore. Maybe Brahmin-varna, Kshatriya-varna, Vaishya-varna, and other varnas given according to their present occupation and accomplishments. Old jati or community based casteism should be removed or overridden. Also conversion is NOT a solution because there is more to lose if identity is lost.
But today people don't choose profession based on varna or caste. Anybody who is talented and hardworking can become anything like doctor, Coder, Entrepreneur, Teacher etc. Raja ka beta raja nehi banega wahi banega Jo haqdar hoga.
I hate it when people defend varna system by saying it's based on profession. But then why a dalit in the ancient India couldn't become a scientist, doctor or anything intellectual.
@@ankansenapati3600 Are you daft? Was the term dalit even used before? The same valmiki samaj who is considered lower caste today that same maharishi Valmiki was a brahmin. Same goes for ved vyas. Same goes for Vidur who was given the title of mahatma.
@@vaibhavyadav9912 he was not a Brahmin cheak your source
@@ranitbiswas680 I didn't say he was a brahmin. Neither he was a Kshatriya.
If he would be alive today he would fall in lower caste.
@@ranitbiswas680 I said so because he was ridiculed as a dasi putra by kauravas frequently in the Mahabharata. It was actually he who was suited for the throne out of pandu and drithrashtra. But he wasn't considered because of his lower birth. It's what the Mahabharata says.
Also it should tell you that "lower castes" were not prohibited from education contrary to the general consensus. We don't have to go even that far. Dharam pal in is book "a beautiful tree" has cited through British records the literacy rate of bharat to be above 90% before British occupation.
Love u Prerna
This means India have to open lot of blood banks for each caste I dont know weather really a god said or some other element said for god never divide human beings some wrong beleif
great pod
34:30 Edgy teenagers who have no idea what they say, I agree when Kushal says kids are dumb, yea they are pretty dumb and I think I am too, but well probably a bit better than them.
रिजर्वेशन हटा दी ऐसा कोई माई का लाल नही जना। जय भीम
Kushal👏
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You cannot systematically annihilate jaatis because every jaati community has it’s own unique lifestyle and traditions, that it is proud of. It can only go organically when people mingle at school and work.
Lower caste has no proud in their jati. what benefits that caste give us in the Hindu society. If not we should get rid of it.
@@ankansenapati3600 You cannot stop people from marrying within their own communities, if that is what you are thinking.
@@ramabapat idiot brhamin
@@ramabapat idiot brhamin
In our village, the ‘lower’ castes will laugh if the ‘upper’ castes ‘cross lines’.
Hiii
This was eye opener, to understand telilugu speaking states.Who says all this shit stuff I have not even heard it from my grand parents. In tamilnadu it is groupism. At the end of the day these stupid people will never be in power, so you should support free temple . There are too many of us.
Lower caste should construct a grand temple and not allow upper castes or casteist to enter. Instead of self pity , blame game , victim card or converting into anrahamic foreign cults all the lower caste people should feel proud and self respect for their own caste.
That won't work because according to Dharma Shastras Brahmins have right to seize any property belonging to low castes especially if it is a Temple
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Until there are reservations and our educational seats and jobs are stolen from us, we do not want any unity with Lower Castes. They can stay below us, ham casteist hi sahi
your casteism gave birth to reservation in the first place
@@user-xj6kq2gx8y Koi baat nahi. Unity vagera bhool jaao fir hame haat bhi nahi lagana
Ye kya bakwas reply hai. Please do not post these kinds of comments. Idk if you are trolling. I hope you are.
@@user-xj6kq2gx8y well the current reservation system isn't doing anything robust either. Free education, atleast schooling, is the only way I see out.
@@vaibhavyadav9912 Why would I be trolling lmao