@undergroundexplorersoverland It's still showing unavailable. I've been waiting for several months. The standard unit would work fine for me, but the extra hardware the pro version comes with is pretty nice.
@ I’ve already got 2 others instead of waiting for this one. The random video I saw of them having their logo cast into the combustion chamber really had me interested but now I’m just tired of waiting.
@@DuoBart0n There's about a $130 difference between the green "pro unit" and the standard unit. The green pro version is on Amazon (right now) for $360.00, while the standard is $230. I figure I better snag one before Trump has a chance to slap a 200% sales tax on them.
March 1 and the Pros are a month away they say. Don't show the price on Amazon currently. However I would think the elevation adjustment should be able to be done manually and do not need a barometric dodadd. Many C heater controllers allow tuning for elevation with settings. The thing is somebody has to get into the menu system and it may not be available. Does anyone know?
great review, thanks. I'm curious if you have used this during any type of rain showers, snow, or how it does with heavy condensation? I can't find this on any of the reviews I have watched and it seems you have been answering most of your comments very well.. again, thanks for the video.
We made a weather cover for the N2 Pro used on the Jeep. It's just a rubber sheet stiffened with a piece of wood at the bottom that clamps to the rack and hangs down above the heater. It stops direct rain from hitting the heater but wind can still blow rain from the sides. The all-in-one case isn't weatherproof but it's pretty tidy and it looks like that level of protection is all that's required.
Thank you for your video post... Finally, someone who explains how the cables work. Pictures of the cables for the Pro version do not show much, so left me wondering why there were two, and how they worked. Now I understand. LF Bros, will take over the market, if they can get them to market. I want to get an LF, but I cannot find the LF Bros n3 professional or LF Bros n2 standard heater anywhere in the USA? Do you know of any online stores that sell either of these? Any help is appreciated... Thanks, again for posting and clearing up some confusion on my part...
It looks like both the N3 and the N2 Pro are currently available at Amazon: www.amazon.com/LF-Bros-Parking-Stylish-Suitable/dp/B0C7BS72QG www.amazon.com/LF-Bros-Professional-Thermostat-Suitable/dp/B0CBTKSZNK
Thanks for the video. I have the All-in-one N2-Pro for my snowmobile trailer im wanting to mount on the wall on the exhaust side since it comes out the side was wondering if i could take the hose clamp off and route it straight down and out the wall ? Tighter to the wall the better to stay out of way from snowmobile traffic
Absolutely. You can replace the stubby exhaust pipe with a longer one. Just remember that these all-in-one models aren't really designed to be used inside a living space. Any exhaust leak will allow CO into the trailer. It's better to have them outside and route the hot air inside. Either way, a CO alarm is a must.
@@undergroundexplorersoverland I am in Northern WI. I don't know if I would use it when it is 0 or less...I doubt I would, but more likely I would be using it in the teens to 20's. If the unit is outside like you have on your vid... what kind of heat loss should I expect at those outside temps ? Also..... I have a Jakery 1500. It's 12v car adapter is only rated for 10 amps. Is that enough for the pro unit? I guess another question would be, if the 10amp-12vdc cigarette adapter would work...do I need to alter the wire on the unit in order to use a 12vdc cigarette adapter ? Thanks. Joe.
@@joeohhboy5384 The heaters are designed to be outside so the only heat loss you'll see is from the hose into your living space. We've seen reports that the Jackery units will run the heater even though the current requirement is over the rating.
I get the E8 error code. The fan rubs against the circuit board box. Any suggestion on how to fix? Also - do you have to prime the pump before starting?
Sorry that you're having trouble. That's going to be a warranty issue. Have you contacted LF Bros through Amazon? As for priming, it is usually not needed, even on the first startup.
Thanks! They don't seem to be considering at this time. It might be useful for the non-Pro models since their controller is not removable but they do come with a remote. On the Pro models, the long cord on the controller allows you to place it inside your living space and then you can use thermostat mode. The Pro models also come with a remote.
The left power connecter the fancy one on the front left marked power? What voltage is that? 110 V? 24 V? Or 12 V? It doesn’t say anywhere in the instructions or any video.
I see you have the heater mounted on the outside of your vehicle, is the unit itself waterproof or have you done something to protect it from the elements? I have a small campervan with very limited space, so was wondering if I could leave this heater outside? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your review on this product. It sounds awesome!
Is the temperature control PID or just P? I have a fully automatic hcalory and it does have thermostat control with auto shut off and on but it’s only a P controller which basically doesn’t work as the unit just sits at a certain power output once the amount of heat it’s generating meets the amount required to keep the temperature from falling but it doesn’t have I in the control loop so the output never increases to actually get to setpoint - you’ll just sit there at some random Delta T until you turn the thermostat up and it increases heat output but now your cut off is way higher than you actually want and you end up over heating the space. Can you confirm that the unit powers up to 100% output when it’s a degree or two below setpoint and then throttles back as setpoint approaches or does it just sit at a low power the closer it gets to setpoint and never actually reach it like Hcalory?
When in thermostat mode, the heater shuts down once it reaches the set temperature (like the Afterburner). Once the temperature drops enough the heater powers back up. That's the only way to maintain a set temperature with Diesel heaters due to their mode of operation.
@@undergroundexplorersoverlandpartially, if you have a P only controller you can get into a situation (like I have) where the output doesn’t increase to close the delta T gap and the unit just sits at a certain percentage output and your space never actually heats up as the output is matching the heat load required of the space to maintain temp but not actually raise it. The way to know if it has at least a PI controller (you don’t necessarily need D) is does it go to 100% output when the space temperature is only two degrees or so below setpoint or does it just sit at a certain output forever while the space temperature stays the same never climbing to setpoint.
@@JaridOrgeron By a "P" only controller do you mean one that shows the pump speed? The LF Bros controller operates differently in thermostat mode but it will run at higher heat to bring the temperature up and then shut down. We'd have to test it again to characterize exactly how it's running because we have not done that kind of testing.
Hello brother in the outdoors I want to know is that a hanging bracket from the rear window on your truck would like to do something like that for my all in one diesel heater
The heater is hanging on a Dyneema climbing sling from the Rhino Rack platform. The sling attaches to the heater handles via basic carabiners. It's worked great.
Is it plugged into a car battery directly and where did you get the muffler thanks like that setup just got the N2 didn’t know there was a pro. Might send it back for the pro
For our setup the heater is running of an auxiliary LiFePO4 house battery but you can run it off the starter battery as well. That's what we used to do. The muffler came with the N2 Pro (it also comes with the N3 Pro).
I have the regular N4 and it seems like a quality unit. The only problem is it shuts down after 1 hr of heating. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks
@@undergroundexplorersoverland I haven’t seen any error codes, but to be honest I don’t know where that would show up. I can’t find any contact information for them
It depends on your power station. The glow plug can draw more than 10 Amps on startup and shutdown. Some power stations are okay with it and some shutdown. There's no way to know without trying or asking people that own and use the same model.
@undergroundexplorersoverland Hopefully the Bluetti 180p will run it on 12v ... If not the heater I went with (LF N2T ) does have an ac cord. Not as electrically efficient , but it will work.
@@undergroundexplorersoverland so I can confirm the Bluetti 180T will run a LF Bros N2T from the 12v cigarette plug . However, I did buy one with 12g wire from amazon & only tried that plug . Mine never pulled over 119watts on start up. & it is very quiet.
The green heater is a new model, the N2-T. It's the same as the N2 except they added elevation compensation (commonly called alpine or plateau mode). It also has the upgraded glow plug and quick connects from the Pro models. It's an excellent choice.
We're hanging it using a climbing sling attached to the roof rack. The heater attaches using two carabiners, one on each handle. We also considered making a shelf that attaches to the fender flare so we could also add a better weather cover but haven't done it yet. A lot of people also use tire tables.
Been interested in one of these. Whenever I checked out contacting the company...I received bogus site. This lack of a sales team scares me a little. If I buy from Amazon....am I on my own ? They look like decent enough heaters, but they don't seem to have an established dealer and support in the US. Any advice ?
They're website doesn't work and we've mentioned that to them. They don't seem to have any U.S. presence. They do have a warranty however and they are responsive. You also have some recourse through Amazon if needed as well.
If you want a permanent installation then an all-in-one isn't the best choice. If it's going to be portable then it'll work great. Just need to have a hole for the hot air to come through.
I just received an email from the factory about this. They said that inventory is on the way through customs to their FBA center in the United States. They expect them to be available in about a month. Apparently it's not very many units though, ten or so.
By "N2 T" do you mean the tower model of the N2 shown in this video? The N2 and N2 tower are the same except for the enclosure. Like the N2 it does not have elevation compensation, thermostat mode, power quick connects, hot air exhaust and cold air intake quick connects nor a wired remote.
We just received information on the N2-T. This is a new model that has the elevation compensation and Japanese glow plug like the Pro models. The heater itself is the same as the N2. This is a great deal and adds the feature most people want for a lot less money than one of the Pro models.
Mine (N3) arrived DOA - not happy at all! The 'manual' is just a single photo showing the parts expanded - some of my parts didn't fit - weren't like those in the picture. There is a QR code to get to the real manual, but it only goes to a chinese website and a video that won't play. A diff QR code goes to a troubleshooting page that has LOTS of videos - that WON'T PLAY. Essentially, there is no manual.
That sucks but something seems off. All our heaters, including the N3 came with a full set of manuals. What's it doing What parts didn't fit? Where did you order from? Have you reached out to the seller? Here's a picture of what it should come with: m.media-amazon.com/images/S/aplus-media-library-service-media/c9648131-bf02-4705-9bf4-0753e3b63334.__CR0,0,1464,600_PT0_SX1464_V1___.jpg
@@undergroundexplorersoverland The parts to connect the exhaust and muffler don't fit - can't be put together. The tube is damaged anyway as if someone tried to slide it over the exhaust port (understandable since the parts don't fit.) Tried without exhaust and went to Error 1 before it even started heating - exhaust got smelly before I could shut it down. I bought from amazon.
@@halbertmac That's really unfortunate but also unusual. You don't need to attach the silencer or the longer exhaust pipe to use the heater but the parts should fit. Error 1 is usually related to low voltage. We'd recommend contacting the seller via Amazon. You can also return and order a new one or do an exchange via Amazon. Sorry that you're having to deal with this.
@@undergroundexplorersoverland Damn! You make a great support agent. I first tried with my ecoflow outside. I guess it wasn't up to the task v-wise. Connected to house power and it worked well. I didn't see the pic that you posted earlier - all parts are there and correct except the exhaust pipe is different - that makes sense, so perhaps they are only a single part away from a decent product. The manual is terrible though. Part two of my day was to get an on demand propane water heater set up. It's also a chinese product, but the manual was excellent with color pics and proper english text.
@@halbertmac Awesome! Glad we could help! With regard to the exhaust pipes, we did some checking and you can usually use the end of the silencer to gently ream out the exhaust pipe on the heater so it slips inside. The metal on the silencer is much stronger than the exhaust pipe material. Once you get it to fit the first time it should go on easy from then on.
@@undergroundexplorersoverlandthanks for that info. It’s surprisingly hard to find online. I’ve ordered the N2-T…is it safe to say that heater uses a 3” warm air hose as well?
so you have to pay $499 for the pro if you want to go to higher altitude? =( Also, you cant drill a small hole for the intake if you want to use the unit in your van?
They now have a new model called the N2-T that adds elevation compensation to the standard model. These all-in-one units are not designed to be mounted inside the living space. There's too much risk of exhaust leaks. People do it but it's no recommended.
@@undergroundexplorersoverland you mean all all in one units are not recommended to be mounted inside? Even the ones with the intake and exhaust tubes that go below the unit? Even if I have a window cracked?
@@webtechaz Correct. All-in-one units are not designed or recommended to be mounted inside the living space. Heaters mounted inside the living space should have the exhaust pipe connection outside by mounting the heater to a floor or wall directly or via a turret.
Yeah, that's unfortunate. Not sure what is going on. The only one we see available is this one: www.amazon.com/LF-Bros-Parking-Stylish-Suitable/dp/B0C7BS72QG
I purchased one yesterday, end of November, looks like they might have released a few different models or something. N2, N2pro, N3 and N4 are all currently on the jungle site.
We did not pay for them. LF Bros offered to send some heaters for evaluation after we reached out and had a technical chat via email for a few weeks. They did not require us to do a positive video review (or any video review for that matter) as a condition.
@@davecavanagh1565 We really like both the N2 Pro and the N3 (which is the same heater in a different case). The biggest reason is because of the elevation compensation (often called plateau mode). We often camp at higher elevations and this is a must to preserve the correct air-fuel ratio to keep the heater from sooting up. The new N2-T model also has this feature so it's a really good choice for a lot less money. We also like the quick connects (both electrical, controller and hoses) on the Pro models but that's not a deal breaker. Same with the much better muffler. For some people thermostat mode is a huge bonus but it's not something we've used yet because of how often it cycles in something as leaky as a tent. In much colder conditions than we've been in so far with the N2 Pro it might be better overall for fuel and power consumption over a night.
Not the all in ones, but the separate component systems are common on boats. They're easy to install. Mount a big tank anywhere, mount the air unit in a "dry" locker, use heat shielding, wire into your boats 12V and exhaust with a thru-hull. Easy peasy, safe and cheap. They can easily be water resistant enough for a below deck install. It's really just the ecu that's susceptible and those can be protected from light moisture. Besides, as a sailor, you know that diesel is the only proper fuel to have onboard. The only caveat is if you like prolonged, extreme heeling. The glow plug side should remain up so you might want to use a rudimentary gimbal of some sort.
There is definitely a difference in quality among the Chinese companies when it comes to Diesel heaters. LF Bros and Lavaner are a step above the more generic offerings. The LF Bros Pro models in particular are very high quality with bigger heater bodies, Japanese glow plugs and upgraded controllers. The build quality and design on all of the all-in-one models is much better than the standard units like we show in the video from Amazon, eBay or Alibaba.
An attitude that will be the end of US manufacturing. See, China went out and gobbled up all the scale, and flush with cash, really are investing in quality where needed to be competitive.
I wish the pro would come online for sale already. I’m curious as to what the price difference is going to be. I really want the altitude adjustments
We've passed the feedback on to LF Bros and they're working on it.
@undergroundexplorersoverland It's still showing unavailable. I've been waiting for several months. The standard unit would work fine for me, but the extra hardware the pro version comes with is pretty nice.
@ I’ve already got 2 others instead of waiting for this one. The random video I saw of them having their logo cast into the combustion chamber really had me interested but now I’m just tired of waiting.
@@DuoBart0n There's about a $130 difference between the green "pro unit" and the standard unit. The green pro version is on Amazon (right now) for $360.00, while the standard is $230.
I figure I better snag one before Trump has a chance to slap a 200% sales tax on them.
Does the green one have the silent fuel pump? @@phillipzx3754
March 1 and the Pros are a month away they say. Don't show the price on Amazon currently. However I would think the elevation adjustment should be able to be done manually and do not need a barometric dodadd. Many C heater controllers allow tuning for elevation with settings. The thing is somebody has to get into the menu system and it may not be available. Does anyone know?
great review, thanks. I'm curious if you have used this during any type of rain showers, snow, or how it does with heavy condensation? I can't find this on any of the reviews I have watched and it seems you have been answering most of your comments very well.. again, thanks for the video.
We made a weather cover for the N2 Pro used on the Jeep. It's just a rubber sheet stiffened with a piece of wood at the bottom that clamps to the rack and hangs down above the heater. It stops direct rain from hitting the heater but wind can still blow rain from the sides. The all-in-one case isn't weatherproof but it's pretty tidy and it looks like that level of protection is all that's required.
Thank you for your video post... Finally, someone who explains how the cables work. Pictures of the cables for the Pro version do not show much, so left me wondering why there were two, and how they worked. Now I understand. LF Bros, will take over the market, if they can get them to market.
I want to get an LF, but I cannot find the LF Bros n3 professional or LF Bros n2 standard heater anywhere in the USA? Do you know of any online stores that sell either of these? Any help is appreciated... Thanks, again for posting and clearing up some confusion on my part...
It looks like both the N3 and the N2 Pro are currently available at Amazon:
www.amazon.com/LF-Bros-Parking-Stylish-Suitable/dp/B0C7BS72QG
www.amazon.com/LF-Bros-Professional-Thermostat-Suitable/dp/B0CBTKSZNK
Thanks for the video. I have the All-in-one N2-Pro for my snowmobile trailer im wanting to mount on the wall on the exhaust side since it comes out the side was wondering if i could take the hose clamp off and route it straight down and out the wall ? Tighter to the wall the better to stay out of way from snowmobile traffic
Absolutely. You can replace the stubby exhaust pipe with a longer one. Just remember that these all-in-one models aren't really designed to be used inside a living space. Any exhaust leak will allow CO into the trailer. It's better to have them outside and route the hot air inside. Either way, a CO alarm is a must.
Thank you
@@undergroundexplorersoverland I am in Northern WI. I don't know if I would use it when it is 0 or less...I doubt I would, but more likely I would be using it in the teens to 20's. If the unit is outside like you have on your vid... what kind of heat loss should I expect at those outside temps ? Also..... I have a Jakery 1500. It's 12v car adapter is only rated for 10 amps. Is that enough for the pro unit? I guess another question would be, if the 10amp-12vdc cigarette adapter would work...do I need to alter the wire on the unit in order to use a 12vdc cigarette adapter ? Thanks. Joe.
@@joeohhboy5384 The heaters are designed to be outside so the only heat loss you'll see is from the hose into your living space. We've seen reports that the Jackery units will run the heater even though the current requirement is over the rating.
I get the E8 error code. The fan rubs against the circuit board box. Any suggestion on how to fix? Also - do you have to prime the pump before starting?
Sorry that you're having trouble. That's going to be a warranty issue. Have you contacted LF Bros through Amazon? As for priming, it is usually not needed, even on the first startup.
Thank you very much for the video!
I want to get the N2 pro but looks to be sold out.. Where can I get one of these?
@@AbstonsGarage It looks like the N2 Pro is available via Amazon:
www.amazon.com/LF-Bros-Professional-Thermostat-Suitable/dp/B0CBTKSZNK
Great review! Any discussion about App Control in the future. Really interested in their units, but App Control would make it a simple decision.
Thanks! They don't seem to be considering at this time. It might be useful for the non-Pro models since their controller is not removable but they do come with a remote. On the Pro models, the long cord on the controller allows you to place it inside your living space and then you can use thermostat mode. The Pro models also come with a remote.
The left power connecter the fancy one on the front left marked power? What voltage is that? 110 V? 24 V? Or 12 V? It doesn’t say anywhere in the instructions or any video.
All the power inputs are 12VDC.
I see you have the heater mounted on the outside of your vehicle, is the unit itself waterproof or have you done something to protect it from the elements? I have a small campervan with very limited space, so was wondering if I could leave this heater outside? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your review on this product. It sounds awesome!
The heater is not weatherproof. We have a cover that hangs over it providing some protection an we're working on something better.
Is the temperature control PID or just P? I have a fully automatic hcalory and it does have thermostat control with auto shut off and on but it’s only a P controller which basically doesn’t work as the unit just sits at a certain power output once the amount of heat it’s generating meets the amount required to keep the temperature from falling but it doesn’t have I in the control loop so the output never increases to actually get to setpoint - you’ll just sit there at some random Delta T until you turn the thermostat up and it increases heat output but now your cut off is way higher than you actually want and you end up over heating the space. Can you confirm that the unit powers up to 100% output when it’s a degree or two below setpoint and then throttles back as setpoint approaches or does it just sit at a low power the closer it gets to setpoint and never actually reach it like Hcalory?
When in thermostat mode, the heater shuts down once it reaches the set temperature (like the Afterburner). Once the temperature drops enough the heater powers back up. That's the only way to maintain a set temperature with Diesel heaters due to their mode of operation.
@@undergroundexplorersoverlandpartially, if you have a P only controller you can get into a situation (like I have) where the output doesn’t increase to close the delta T gap and the unit just sits at a certain percentage output and your space never actually heats up as the output is matching the heat load required of the space to maintain temp but not actually raise it. The way to know if it has at least a PI controller (you don’t necessarily need D) is does it go to 100% output when the space temperature is only two degrees or so below setpoint or does it just sit at a certain output forever while the space temperature stays the same never climbing to setpoint.
@@JaridOrgeron By a "P" only controller do you mean one that shows the pump speed? The LF Bros controller operates differently in thermostat mode but it will run at higher heat to bring the temperature up and then shut down. We'd have to test it again to characterize exactly how it's running because we have not done that kind of testing.
How much quieter are the pro models with the "silent" multi-pulse oil pumps?
You can hear the pump clearly outside but we've never noticed the clicking inside, unlike on previous heaters. The N2 is pretty quiet as well.
Hello brother in the outdoors I want to know is that a hanging bracket from the rear window on your truck would like to do something like that for my all in one diesel heater
The heater is hanging on a Dyneema climbing sling from the Rhino Rack platform. The sling attaches to the heater handles via basic carabiners. It's worked great.
@undergroundexplorersoverland info lol
Is it plugged into a car battery directly and where did you get the muffler thanks like that setup just got the N2 didn’t know there was a pro. Might send it back for the pro
For our setup the heater is running of an auxiliary LiFePO4 house battery but you can run it off the starter battery as well. That's what we used to do. The muffler came with the N2 Pro (it also comes with the N3 Pro).
I have the regular N4 and it seems like a quality unit. The only problem is it shuts down after 1 hr of heating. Any ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks
That's no good. Does it show an error code? Have you reached out to LF Bros? Their support is usually excellent.
@@undergroundexplorersoverland I haven’t seen any error codes, but to be honest I don’t know where that would show up. I can’t find any contact information for them
@@garystevens7369 Reach out to kfkamaz@163.com for assistance. Let us all know the resolution please!
Do you know if it's possible to add a thermostat controller to the nt2? Or upgrade the controller...
We don't believe that's possible. The Pro models use a completely different heater and controller.
Check if a Burek is compatible with the remote.
Will these run from the 12v/10amp "cigarette" style plug on a bluetti or similar
It depends on your power station. The glow plug can draw more than 10 Amps on startup and shutdown. Some power stations are okay with it and some shutdown. There's no way to know without trying or asking people that own and use the same model.
@undergroundexplorersoverland Hopefully the Bluetti 180p will run it on 12v ... If not the heater I went with (LF N2T ) does have an ac cord. Not as electrically efficient , but it will work.
@@undergroundexplorersoverland so I can confirm the Bluetti 180T will run a LF Bros N2T from the 12v cigarette plug . However, I did buy one with 12g wire from amazon & only tried that plug . Mine never pulled over 119watts on start up. & it is very quiet.
Looking at the green version seemms to have all same features half the price can you tell me the difference
The green heater is a new model, the N2-T. It's the same as the N2 except they added elevation compensation (commonly called alpine or plateau mode). It also has the upgraded glow plug and quick connects from the Pro models. It's an excellent choice.
How are you hanging the Pro ?
We're hanging it using a climbing sling attached to the roof rack. The heater attaches using two carabiners, one on each handle. We also considered making a shelf that attaches to the fender flare so we could also add a better weather cover but haven't done it yet. A lot of people also use tire tables.
Been interested in one of these. Whenever I checked out contacting the company...I received bogus site. This lack of a sales team scares me a little. If I buy from Amazon....am I on my own ? They look like decent enough heaters, but they don't seem to have an established dealer and support in the US. Any advice ?
They're website doesn't work and we've mentioned that to them. They don't seem to have any U.S. presence. They do have a warranty however and they are responsive. You also have some recourse through Amazon if needed as well.
@@undergroundexplorersoverland Thank you Sir .
Were did you get the right angle duct adapter
It comes with the N2 Pro and the N3 Pro.
Thank you ❤
How do you think the pro style would do in an enclosed trailer?
If you want a permanent installation then an all-in-one isn't the best choice. If it's going to be portable then it'll work great. Just need to have a hole for the hot air to come through.
When will the pro models be available again?
I just received an email from the factory about this. They said that inventory is on the way through customs to their FBA center in the United States. They expect them to be available in about a month. Apparently it's not very many units though, ten or so.
What’s the difference between n2 pro and n2 T?
By "N2 T" do you mean the tower model of the N2 shown in this video? The N2 and N2 tower are the same except for the enclosure. Like the N2 it does not have elevation compensation, thermostat mode, power quick connects, hot air exhaust and cold air intake quick connects nor a wired remote.
@@undergroundexplorersoverland N2 T doesn’t look like it’s in your video. I was just wondering if you knew about it. Thanks for the reply
@@robertkgunn Do you have a link to the N2 T?
From what I’m seeing it may be the same as the pro but without the quieter muffler and fuel pump?
We just received information on the N2-T. This is a new model that has the elevation compensation and Japanese glow plug like the Pro models. The heater itself is the same as the N2. This is a great deal and adds the feature most people want for a lot less money than one of the Pro models.
Mine (N3) arrived DOA - not happy at all! The 'manual' is just a single photo showing the parts expanded - some of my parts didn't fit - weren't like those in the picture. There is a QR code to get to the real manual, but it only goes to a chinese website and a video that won't play. A diff QR code goes to a troubleshooting page that has LOTS of videos - that WON'T PLAY. Essentially, there is no manual.
That sucks but something seems off. All our heaters, including the N3 came with a full set of manuals. What's it doing What parts didn't fit? Where did you order from? Have you reached out to the seller? Here's a picture of what it should come with:
m.media-amazon.com/images/S/aplus-media-library-service-media/c9648131-bf02-4705-9bf4-0753e3b63334.__CR0,0,1464,600_PT0_SX1464_V1___.jpg
@@undergroundexplorersoverland The parts to connect the exhaust and muffler don't fit - can't be put together. The tube is damaged anyway as if someone tried to slide it over the exhaust port (understandable since the parts don't fit.) Tried without exhaust and went to Error 1 before it even started heating - exhaust got smelly before I could shut it down. I bought from amazon.
@@halbertmac That's really unfortunate but also unusual. You don't need to attach the silencer or the longer exhaust pipe to use the heater but the parts should fit. Error 1 is usually related to low voltage. We'd recommend contacting the seller via Amazon. You can also return and order a new one or do an exchange via Amazon. Sorry that you're having to deal with this.
@@undergroundexplorersoverland Damn! You make a great support agent. I first tried with my ecoflow outside. I guess it wasn't up to the task v-wise. Connected to house power and it worked well. I didn't see the pic that you posted earlier - all parts are there and correct except the exhaust pipe is different - that makes sense, so perhaps they are only a single part away from a decent product.
The manual is terrible though. Part two of my day was to get an on demand propane water heater set up. It's also a chinese product, but the manual was excellent with color pics and proper english text.
@@halbertmac Awesome! Glad we could help! With regard to the exhaust pipes, we did some checking and you can usually use the end of the silencer to gently ream out the exhaust pipe on the heater so it slips inside. The metal on the silencer is much stronger than the exhaust pipe material. Once you get it to fit the first time it should go on easy from then on.
Hi, what size hose should I buy? 4”
The N2 uses a 3" hose and the N2 Pro and N3 Pro use 4" hoses.
@@undergroundexplorersoverlandthanks for that info. It’s surprisingly hard to find online. I’ve ordered the N2-T…is it safe to say that heater uses a 3” warm air hose as well?
@@joshsaitta1381 Correct! The N2-T uses the same 3" hose as the N2.
so you have to pay $499 for the pro if you want to go to higher altitude? =( Also, you cant drill a small hole for the intake if you want to use the unit in your van?
They now have a new model called the N2-T that adds elevation compensation to the standard model. These all-in-one units are not designed to be mounted inside the living space. There's too much risk of exhaust leaks. People do it but it's no recommended.
@@undergroundexplorersoverland you mean all all in one units are not recommended to be mounted inside? Even the ones with the intake and exhaust tubes that go below the unit? Even if I have a window cracked?
@@webtechaz Correct. All-in-one units are not designed or recommended to be mounted inside the living space. Heaters mounted inside the living space should have the exhaust pipe connection outside by mounting the heater to a floor or wall directly or via a turret.
As of April 4 these have disappeared from Amazon.
Yeah, that's unfortunate. Not sure what is going on. The only one we see available is this one: www.amazon.com/LF-Bros-Parking-Stylish-Suitable/dp/B0C7BS72QG
As of September I bought one there.
I purchased one yesterday, end of November, looks like they might have released a few different models or something. N2, N2pro, N3 and N4 are all currently on the jungle site.
Did you pay for these or were they sent for free for the review?
We did not pay for them. LF Bros offered to send some heaters for evaluation after we reached out and had a technical chat via email for a few weeks. They did not require us to do a positive video review (or any video review for that matter) as a condition.
@@undergroundexplorersoverland do you prefer the pro model over the others? Any real differences besides elevation in the models
@@davecavanagh1565 We really like both the N2 Pro and the N3 (which is the same heater in a different case). The biggest reason is because of the elevation compensation (often called plateau mode). We often camp at higher elevations and this is a must to preserve the correct air-fuel ratio to keep the heater from sooting up. The new N2-T model also has this feature so it's a really good choice for a lot less money. We also like the quick connects (both electrical, controller and hoses) on the Pro models but that's not a deal breaker. Same with the much better muffler. For some people thermostat mode is a huge bonus but it's not something we've used yet because of how often it cycles in something as leaky as a tent. In much colder conditions than we've been in so far with the N2 Pro it might be better overall for fuel and power consumption over a night.
I have a sailboat, So you can’t put them inside and they aren’t waterproof? Not good 😅 isn’t it?
An all-in-one probably isn't the best setup for a sailboat. Something built-in will be better and safer.
Not the all in ones, but the separate component systems are common on boats. They're easy to install. Mount a big tank anywhere, mount the air unit in a "dry" locker, use heat shielding, wire into your boats 12V and exhaust with a thru-hull. Easy peasy, safe and cheap. They can easily be water resistant enough for a below deck install. It's really just the ecu that's susceptible and those can be protected from light moisture.
Besides, as a sailor, you know that diesel is the only proper fuel to have onboard.
The only caveat is if you like prolonged, extreme heeling. The glow plug side should remain up so you might want to use a rudimentary gimbal of some sort.
If you're not a moron you could figure out a way
No f just c wtf. In America we use f they need to ship that Chinese crap to Canada
L.F. Bros sounds good but they are just another Chinese Company.
There is definitely a difference in quality among the Chinese companies when it comes to Diesel heaters. LF Bros and Lavaner are a step above the more generic offerings. The LF Bros Pro models in particular are very high quality with bigger heater bodies, Japanese glow plugs and upgraded controllers. The build quality and design on all of the all-in-one models is much better than the standard units like we show in the video from Amazon, eBay or Alibaba.
An attitude that will be the end of US manufacturing. See, China went out and gobbled up all the scale, and flush with cash, really are investing in quality where needed to be competitive.