@@Nekogami04 I'm pretty sure it was a human, I think the Fae made the sword, gave it to the human, the human used it, and either the Fae instantly took it back, or took it back after the humans death. I mean seriously, I think it's been confirmed to have been a human.
@@uteriel282 Don't think that's ever been confirmed. As far as I'm aware, it was literally just a human. It might've been a servant summoned from the future, it might've been Artoria herself, either summoned from Avalon, or sent hurtling back in time while she was still alive thanks to Merlin shenanigans or something, but it was a human.
Your editing skills are getting better especially the way you ended it, the transition to the black holy sword was EX-cellent, but I feel like you left somethings out, part 2 perhaps? Some of the things in the video were amazing and I am glad you mentioned them like Morgan having different personalities and Sefar background but somethings were missed or were not correct (for correction you can write a comment and pin it to the top) about the Greek gods, what you mentioned only happened in LB5 which is not actual PHH (Pan-Human History) so overall that is not to be considered canon, as lostbelts are just timelines that are actively trying to rewrite the Pan-Human History that are actual canon this is a simplification of what a lostbelt is so chill out Fate fans cut me some slack I have written 5 paragraphs already thus it wouldn't be right mentioning them here, the gods didn't come together, some died like Ares things happened and then someone showed up with Excalibur and blasted Sefar away and Gilgamesh does have some divine constructs such as Vajra, Vimana, Harpe, but he still doesn't have Excalibur or Avalon, now as for part 2: I know Artoria never removes them but she does have restraints on Excalibur, similar to that of Excalibur Proto, this was not only mentioned in the original VN but was further backed up in FGO, it is A++ rank because only one restraint is removed at best, like I said she has never done it but since both Excalibur have the same restraints and both were created for the same purpose it isn't that crazy to think that Artoria's Excalibur can also change it's type and rank when 7 restraints are removed, now I don't remember exactly if Proto-Arthur removed 6 or 7 restraints but when he did his Excalibur is ranked as EX and it's type or classification is unknown. Saber was able to hold off EA to catch Gil over guard in Fate route in the VN, this was base Excalibur and Gil does say he is going to go all out, Excalibur is eclipsed without any issue but it gives Saber time to use Avalon which catches Gil off guard and since he can't stop EA once it starts spinning she is able to close the distant and Excalibur him. To get the second video to 8 mins you can put in that Excalibur's true name can be called whether or not it's restraints are removed or not, which I think Proto-Excalibur can't do for that to be activated Arthur needs to removed 6 restraints I believe (I don't remember now it has been ages since I last delved into Proto-Arthur, but in any instance we see the guy he does remove restraints to fire it so yeah) and this is more of a fact for Avalon but lump it here anyways, that Saber can fire Excalibur many times if she has Avalon. Lastly there is a theory in the fandom that the Excalibur was forged from the Light of the Creator God, like the God in Abrahamic religions Christianity, Judaism and Islam this is just a theory, because king Arthur always said that this sword Excalibur was the greatest blessing or reward given to him by God, since he was a Christian (assuming here don't get mad Twitter) and he along with Merlin knew it's true power, it is a possibility, this is however a theory and doesn't need to be in the video just thought it was a fun theory to mention, this would also explain why Sefar was nuked by it and why it can release a divine-spirit level power. That is enough fanboying over Fate for one day, if you read all that hope you have a nice day.
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Out of all wepons i would want it would be Excalibur cause complex multiverse wepon, able allow you to tank inf strength attacks, reaction speed faster then light, as well useful abilities i would want more as well avalon being the most broken defensive noble phantasm
There is some error though, the zeus merging part only happens in lostbelt timeline. In PHH, they never merged and still got saved by Excalibur (that’s why in PHH we don’t have greek mecha gods). It would be great if you didn’t miss Excalbur full strength that unleash the power of the entire plant to fight sefar.
Excalibur was only made (in the fate lore) when the alien god Sefar wrecked havoc in earth killing most of the gods in every mythology(their original form cause they still exist in their weaker versions) and Excalibur was made inside the inner sea of gaia making it the will of planet itself while Ea trancends human comprehension because no-one knows its true origins thus its difficult how or when it was created
From the information we've been given, we know Sword of Rupture is the crystallization of the creation of the world; it is a divine construct created by the gods, and it's affected by Potnia Theron. This means it's an older divine construct, but it's younger than the arrival of the Olympian's since the Sword of Mars/Ares is the prototype for all divine constructs, and it was definitely created on Earth.
The problem is Ea is not a sword in context or it's the basis of a sword specially when 3 of it's cylinders rotate it brings winds of destruction that tears fabrics of reality if you look at the sword of Mars it too spins either Ea is the original and the prototype is the sword of mars vise versa
You got the sefar section wrong. Zeus and the other gods fuse to beat Sefar in an alternate timeline where excalibur is never created. In proper human history they don't, and they are killed one by one, Ares being the last one and blah blah blah.
That was the lostbelt version in the video but I guess here it doesn't do much damage, in the end Sefar was put down by Excalibur but I do agree it still isn't right.
No you are wrong. In PHH, Zeus didn’t merge and lost, still get saved by Excalibur. In LB5, Zeus merged but draw, still get saved by Excalibur, the greek gods didn’t lose mecha bodies. In LB6, Zeus didn’t merge, no excalibur made, the surface is wiped clean.
@@guesswho8556 You literally said “Zues and the other gods fuse to beat Sefar in an alternative timeline where Excalibur is never created” They fused in LB5, a timeline that they got saved by excalibur and got to saved their mech bodies They didn’t fused in LB6, a timeline where excalibur wasn’t created
Wait... Unlimited Blade Works technically has divine constructs though, like Sul-sagana. Even if it was a replication of abilities via class cards, I don't see anything that would make the Archer Class cards' tracing any different than normal EMIYA's tracing. I also remember hearing somewhere that the reason Ea wasn't able to be copied was because if Gilgamesh's contract with Ea and not actualy anything to do with the sword itself (though I don't think that info is reliable, feel free to debunk it). EMIYA even admitted that Excalibur was in UBW, it's just that using it would kill him due to mana costs. Aw shoot, now we need an exploration of UBW and how confusing that is (especially with EXTRA's version letting Nameless bypass the degraded copy restriction).
Fr bro it's hella confusing for one sec it can't even harm Berserker and the next second it's killing him 7 times the same goes for Ea like one moment it's getting annhilated and the next second it's gonna completely deflect Ea
Saber is on limited resources when fighting Berserker due to having no way to recover magical energy and it was actually Caliburn that multi-killed Berserker.
That was Merodach : The original sin. The predecessor to all of future Sword of Selection (Caliburn, Gram, etc) And no, not the original of Excalibur, but Caliburn, the sword of Selection, one that Artoria pulled out from the stone. Edit : It's much stronger then Caliburn.
That was the prototype for Caliburn and the other weapons known as "Swords of Selection". There is no prototype of Excalibur, Excalibur was the first of it's kind forged. The only "prototype" version of it is literally just it in the prototype universe.
Excalibur is stronger? Potentially but it has all these conditions and rules to use its 100% fire power that 9 out of 10 times EA just wins by default.
Exaclibur is not stronger as it's a mana amplifier into attack strength. Ea is just contain load of mana in there already. But that's the reason why Saber using Excalibur far out class Gilgamesh using Ea in a normal condition. Her dragon core was describe to generate as much mana like the planet core. Mean while Gilgamesh is incapable of using Ea true strength.
@@ancy1205 unless he could get closer to his true origin in throne of heroes at half of his powers EA can destroy all creation but Avalon can still tank it
@@trapking2009 Well, destroy all creation is not that high of the bar. Ea was a tool to make the planet by the god, so it should at least be at anti-planet level, not anti-world in Gil's hand even in his Mythical Mystic Code form.
@@ancy1205 make which planet? It existed while earth was larval state but I don't think it's involved with creation of the world and the EA is literally feared by counter force which make them restrict it's divinity. In fate extra we get a glimpse of EA true power feared by even gods
Is Excalibur really a divine construct though? It seems like it was made by the fairies and Archer can canonically make a copy of it even though it would be of a lesser quality
@@FinalTsurugi it is. And there’s no need to elaborate upon this. Fate Grand Order - Artoria Profile 4: [ Excalibur ] Rank: A++ NP Type: Anti-Fortress ‘Sword of Promised Victory. A weapon *not forged by man, but a Divine Construct* forged within the Planet. The Noble Phantasm that is the greatest of all sacred swords. The true power of this sword lies within its sheath, which is said to be lost forever.’
It probably something else that disguised as Excalibur. Shirou dub the sword he projected in Heaven feel as the strongest sword he know, but he could not project Divine Construct. So it's something that's not a Divine Construct, but stronger than Excalibur. Nasu also mentioned how Archer have something with similar performance in UBW. All in all, probably a futuristic sword made by a new breed of humanity that equal or stronger than Excalibur.
Excalibur cannot be projected, huh. And yet, time and time again, it is done. First was Heaven's Feel Shirou in the normal ending, who used it in a suicide attack on the holy grail. Then it was probably Illya when she first installed EMIYA's card. And Saber card blatantly copies Artoria along with Excalibur. And Nameless uses it as a super attack. Of course, all of those are degraded versions of Excalibur, but Excalibur is at such a level that even if EMIYA were to only reproduce 25-50% of it's full potential it would still be enough for most enemies. It's beyond his mana level to do it as a Servant, but I think he can do it when summoned as a Counter Guardian. It's a bit funny how Fate lore is so wishy-washy at times, it says that he can't project Excalibur until he suddenly can because plot or gameplay demands it. And Muramasa in Shirou's body literally forged a real one now...
@@whateverwhatever4476 his talking about FSN in which shirou projects excalibur in HF and FGO where archer projects excalibur nasu DID NOT say he cannot project divine consturcts he stated he cannot make REPLICAS which is a PERFECT reconstruction but he can still make inferior versions
it never was shirou cant but rather he shouldn't, projection`s need for mana can be meet if shirou practise with his circuits for decades or establish a bounded filed with formalcraft but what really the problem is his brain cant take it. things made by gods have too much information to grasp and shirou with his above average magic circuits he doesn't have that calculation capacity to project divin swords.
@@invalidexistance6649shirou straight up can’t read it it’s not made by humans so he has no knowledge abt EA or what it’s made of and could never know cuz it’s not any element found on earth
@@laxbingo6894 brother read what we were talking about again. we were talking about divine construct swords. shirou can never project ea as ea is not a sword by concept but rather something that predates the concept of a sword .
It cannot be stronger than EA. EA deletes from existence no matter what is on its way. Excalibur is powerful, but it represents only the wishes, dreams, thoughts... Of one nation, unleashing this energy in enormous, powerful blast, but that's it. In fact EA in theory should be the most powerful weapon in the whole fate universe.
Excalibur is literally the planets last defense. It is the manifestation of _all of humanities wishes and dreams,_ not just Britains, and it gains as much power as needed to destroy the threat it's facing. Full power Excalibur > Full power Ea and Enuma Elish, especially since Enuma Elish _is_ Ea's maximum output, meaning a heavily nerfed Excalibur faced a moderately nerfed Ea and still managed to hold the line against it repeatedly.
EA didn’t deletes from existing, it was know as have the power of a star that seperate sky and earth. It’s not like EA was a myth, Gil used it in GO but it only show destruction level is so stupid that there’s nothing left. If it really swipe everything out of existence then please explain why it couldn’t erase Excalibur in last battle?
@@sebastianfontanez1081 Yeah but EA is the deification of the stars that hit Earth and made it have life. It clearly outranks all primordial gods like Tiamat Chaos
@@ercterburn1053Not at all smh. It’s impressive how you can take Ea out of context and scale it above Tiamat and Chaos. Where are you getting this idea from? Ea’s fancy and conceited origins doesn’t scale it anywhere at all. Both Chaos and Tiamat can eat attacks on the magnitude of Ars Almadel Salomonis at a stable state and you think Ea outranks them? How tf?
Excalibur is stronger than ea? no. Every time it fought against ea was just toying around. Gilgamesh has all the treasure of the world he very well know how powerful excalibur is and how powerful it can be, the only problem its power always fluctuating so its hard to gauge at any moment how strong currently is.
It was because Excalibur is a weapon that amplify mana, unlike Ea which is a tool to stabilized the planet. This is a problem when Saber was using Shirou's mana. Else, Saber would absolutely crush Gilgamesh so hard in a straight match it wasn't even funny.
here's the thing fate media throughout the years don't understand the functional mechanics of Excalibur what it does and how it matters in terms of powers and etc. we know that the Oldest and Strongest Noble phantasm is NOT Excalibur but instead EA the "the law of creation" also known as The Sword of Separation. It is literally in the description of the command code stating that EA is the Oldest and strongest noble phantasm Humanity has ever possessed and it's literally - "The utmost secret Noble Phantasm of the King of Heroes. The three stone tablets of the blade represents Earth, Heaven and the Underworld, namely the Universe. Its influence is not limited to the one facing it but the world itself. It is the strongest and oldest Noble Phantasm that humanity ever possessed." This is literally true when know that EA fashioned the earth. EA (that has been deified) in mythology and is an alien weapon born before the breath of creation and genesis. There is no Noble Phantasm that rivals that of EA this has been known for years. and yet people still forget that this description exists. the only ever reason you want to scale UP Excalibur is with Sefar but that's extremely vague considering all Sefar does is it has ??? rank absorption of Magical energy something Excalibur counters because it uses the Heat of the planet when it's unsealed and even when it was sealed all it did was convert the users magical energy into heat not "light" but literally heat and why it is considered a physical kinetic energy that Sefar couldn't absorb. and how it beat the Machine gods Zeus and etc. are vague and lacking context because it was off screened. all we know is that they duked and Megazord Zeus stalemated with Sefar without access to any of his Authorities and rove her away until she starved and self destructed. Even if you counted Zeus Authorities, there was nothing to counter against her Magical Absorption which is why most of them struggled to beat her even someone like Amaterasu who far Surpasses her in magical energy and the weight of the sun. Excalibur was just that... a natural counter because Sefar couldn't Absorb other energies besides magic. The entire purpose of Excalibur is the crystalized wishes of Man in history. so it has threat to humanity as a literal scale, to how great the threat is that's how much the planet will lend it's heat energy for Excalibur to destroy it not even in the lostbelt 7 stated that they beat ORT not because of conceptual advantages or higher power, they literally stated they needed to obliterated it's cells that's about it. this has been overly done with so many times before now and I cannot fathom people still think Excalibur is as strong as EA. when it doesn't even have the conceptual advantages of EA's Anti-World effects.
Exactly, Ea is a tool to made the Earth, not a weapon the Earth forge to defend itself. The fact that Gilgamesh can obtain it while hating the god speak volume how weak it is in term of offensive power. "Her heart is forged from the concept of dragons. Its magical energy can rival that of Earth's own core. Pulsing with the dragon's roar, the king shall bring down the Sword of the Planet. The Sacred Sword is crowned the STRONGEST, because of the power of its wielder." - FGO Conclusion is that Ea is the strongest NP humanity have ever possessed. But Exaclibur have never been possess by humanity as Saber doesn't represent humanity. And once she pass, Exaclibur have to return to the Lady of the Lake instead of remain in the owner vault like Gil's Ea
@@kiana4237 It's in fact, was not forged by humanity will " Excalibur was not forged by mankind, but crystallised within the Earth" - Fate/complete material III: World Material - The Servants of the Fifth Holy Grail War: Saber, p.020-021
@@ancy1205 it's forged by humanities will lol tempered inside the planet it's measured by threat to humanity scale. >This is the Sword... It looks like it belonged to the god i destroyed. But it's much smaller... Small enough for a person to wield, but so hot. The white, massive figure splita in two. All the spintrons it had absorbed from the planet fall onto the Earths surface like powdery snow. There, in a faraway land, the titan completes. Its collapse it falls by the light of the stars, to whom humanity had sent its most desperate wishes. -extella >Sword of light. It is not a man-made weapon, but rather a divine construct tempered by the planet. It is the Noble Phantasm standing at the very pinnacle of holy swords. >The strongest illusion (Last Phantasm), crystallized and refined from the wishes of humanity stored in the planet. -Fate/complete material II: Character material - Weapons: Excalibur, p.118
I want to correct two things that are incorrect about gate of babylon and the greek(at the time of the invasion atlantic) gods. About the gate of babylon it is a misinformation that is a easy mistake to make, I also believed it myself, which is the fact that the treasure only has human items, which is not true, actually he has all of divine origin too. To start from the beginning he already shows non-human treasures since the beginning of the fate series, in stay night he uses treasures like harpe the immortal killer weapon which is currently revealed to be even part of the divine authority of Zeus, and vajra which to describe In a fell words, if I'm not mistaken, it would be like the lightnings of the god Indra from Hindu mythology, these two are nps of divine origin, after that in fate zero he uses vimana who is a flying fortress, a vehicle of the hindu gods, to which Gilgamesh's version is more like a jet than a fortress(if you want to see a fortress version, in fgo, the king of lostbelt 4 arjuna alter uses it). Continuing, in fate/illya he uses treasures like the shield of the gods and hades cape of invisibility, who also are divine treasures, in the context of divine constructs for those who think he has divine treasures but not divine constructs(besides ea and the chains of heaven), he shows two ig-alima and sul-sagana, now for written proofs I remember two, there must be more but these are enough, in extra ccc he says specifically the only things that are missing in the vault are things crafted by post-humans using new concepts and items of extraterrestrial origin, just these two, anything beyond this must be in the treasury, including divine items, fairy items, and so on. furthermore in strange fake, in the first volume it is said with all the words that the treasure has everything human or divine. The second thing I wanted to comment on is that in the invasion of sefar 14000 years ago, the atlantic gods dont fused, they only did this in an alternate world, in normal history they fought her separate and they are all destroyed in consequence, what was left of their bodies would later be reincarnated as the Greek gods, divine spirits a lot weaker if compared to their true forms.
@@mocha13 thank you for replying, your videos are great, I just had to correct it, because it's a very common mistake in the community. A lot of people say that fate is complicated in the timeline, but in reality the complicated thing are details like this.
You were right about the divine constructs about him having some of them even in the original VN like Vajra but he still doesn't have Excalibur or Avalon right about LB5 part too, he possess the prototype of Caliburn but since in Fate Caliburn and Excalibur are different he doesn't have it in GoB, he might get it one day if he can...as a servant though I doubt he would be.
@@zain.munirzain5872 yeah, i too believe that he doesn't have excalibur or avalon, but if he has it or not, has never been answered. so it wouldn't be wrong to think that he has it, because is still in the realm of possibility. Besides, as I showed, he has all divine treasures, not only some.
@@L10n36 I kind agree that there is a realm of possibility but it is still highly doubtful because had he possessed one I am pretty sure his massive ego would've made him pull it just to one up Saber, like he did with Caliburn and Shirou, let's not forget most of things he does and manages to pull off is because of his ego, like when he gave the command seals to Hakuno in CCC after she used all of them to form a contract with him, he said "Who do you think I am? Of course I have a couple of command spells lying around or something along those lines" he loves showing off and stroking his own ego, and considering what he wants to do to Saber, that would've only made him more well smug what I meant by some divine treasures/constructs was that he has them but we have only seen some.
in my opinion, it is impossible for excalibur to be stronger than ea. Ea was created before humanity, and represents the beginning of the world itself, and as such it can destroy the world, and it is not a sword. Of course this all goes to shit when more than 7 seals are released, in that case it'll just be a infinite raw energy that destroys everything. But also Sefar counters EA, and excalibur counters sefar, doesn't mean excalibur is stronger than sefar. Edit: I should mention, none of this matters, which sword is stronger solely depends on nasu, its inconsistent as hell and power scaling in fate is just an enormous waste of time
Excalibur was neither forged by humanity, nor meant to protect it. Excalibur as a divine construct is made as one of several protection devices with the purpose of protecting the earth. Whether or not EA is older than humanity is henceforth irrelevant. Whi,e it is true that Excalibur is usually bellow that of EA, It's unsealed variant is supplemented with so much energy that even EA lacks any feats that'd even suggest it being placed before it. EA's most impressive feat that we know of would probably be in defeating a severely weakened Tiamat. Excalibur however was not used only to defeat Sefar(whereas I'm quite confident it was never mentioned that it was particularly weak against Excalibur to begin with) but also Draco, something that was accomplished with one blow. A beast who far surpasses even Goetia judging by their mana input. I feel as though it's safe to say that EA has a lower roof than Excalibur, seeing as it apparently has a rather quantifiable limit being negated by Enkidu in Strange/Fake, whereas Excalibur with no seals is capable of defeating beings who are practically stated to reach different dimensions. Though I am curious, how is EA countered by Sefar in an way other than Sefar simply being more powerful? Sefar's entire energy drain gimmick is also applicable to Excalibur
@@Ultimate0Phantasmor people who doesn’t know how to scale properly. It’s literally stated that Ea and Excalibur’s output are relative. Ea exceeds and is stronger than the Anti-fortress A++ Excaliblast that Artoria dishes out. Ea is generally the stronger and more consistent option 99% of the time. Excalibur unsealed scales its power based on the opponent its fighting, whether they threaten humanity or the world. Like what happened in LB7 with U-Olga. Even without the special “buff” it gets, that version of Excalibur is literally just stronger than the relative one that matches (or in context weaker than) Ea. So yes in fact, Excalibur is stronger in pure AP than Ea.
@@Mitsuru-Miki you're talking about ea and Ea alone the winds the Gilgamesh normal produces are the base AP of ea it's full power is when gil uses Enuma Elisha
@@hassanhassan-os5oq not enough conclusive evidence to imply anything other than such when Excalibur and Ea with the actual attack Enuma Elish already clashed back in SN, which is fundamentally and universally accepted that it is stronger. Yes Excalibur was overpowered but the gap of strength between the two isn't miles or orders of magnitudes that a lot people think. Therefore they are relative in output with Ea having the upper hand thanks to its ability to rupture space.
All this hype and it is the most generica and boring NP, while we have Gae Bolg, Zabanya, Tsubame Gaeshi, pretty much all other NPs are cooler and more interesting. This is just another anime beam.
it was type/moon who used excalibur to defeat sefar. also sefar was only knocked out and blasted into the moon where the mooncell sealed it in an artificial dimension. and in fgo lostbelt 5 zeus defeated sefar without excalibur after he forcefully claimed the authorities of the other 11 olympians.
@@nightwolfnordberg9476 nope it can’t. Already been established by Holmes and Da Vinci conversation in Shinjuku part 1.5. And yes this also includes other works that “states” Ea can destroy the planet like in Fate Strange Fake. Ea does irrevocable damage to the world’s textures and grinds reality hence why its an *ANTI-WORLD* Np and *FEELS* as if though the planet was being crushed apart. Hence why Enkidu needed magical energy from the counterforce to match Ea’s power and protect the world’s integrity, so far as going to offset it several times over. It can’t actually planet bust. Servants generally aren’t strong enough to do that. If beasts in the levels of Tiamat and Goetia take thousands of years worth prep time to destroy the world and bypass its protection, what makes Ea anymore special and powerful than them? Goetia needed 3 thousand years worth of magical energy, converting all sapient beings on the planet as fuel for his grand plan, yet the best AAS could muster up at statements was burn a hole in the planet itself while incinerating human history. This is even despite having 100 million Excaliburs in AAS when fired all at once. Even if an Anti-Planetary NP (or in translation Anti-Star) existed on paper (which later proven true with Zeus’ Divine authority World Discipline Keraunos, and Romulus=Quirinus NP) which transcends an Anti-World Np just from pure definition/context, it still wouldn’t be enough to crack the planet into bits the way that people expect it to be. Ea’s range at best in its current feats would be around City to Provincial. Higher if the story goes on but currently as shown in the franchise that’s the best its going to go.
It can’t crack the planet. Holmes and Da Vinci have already established this in their conversation in Shinjuku Part 1.5. Ea does irrevocable damage to the world’s texture, crushing reality whenever unleash, hence why its an *ANTI-WORLD* Np and *FEELS* as if though the planet was being destroyed like in Fate Strange Fake LN. It can’t actually planet bust in the same manner that ORT could or hyperbolic Lostbelt Zeus style.
Oh yea on base Ea is stronger but on base Excalibur still has seals on it. Unsealed with all seals lifted Excalibur out powers anything.... the point of Excalibur was created by Gaia itself to destroy anything used correctly. Just like how no servant could fight Archetype earth as she was born from the moon and Gaia to fight outer beings that threaten Gaia. There are two counter forces Counter force; Gaia Counter force; Humanity The reason Ea has a hard time fighting and would lose (unsealed) to an unsealed Excalibur is because ur fighting the authority of Gaia itself just like if a servant fought Archetype Earth/ Arcuad they would lose. However foreigners are built diffrent and can actually fight back as there linked with Outergods and are not of Gaia. Foreigners are a little scary...
I honestly think that there are beings on earth that are stronger than sefar, i think goetia and prime Solomon are, prime tiamat, ereshkigal alter, kukulkan, U-olga marie, prime Camazotz and a few others
The 12 Olympians Machine Gods are just as strong if not stronger and failed to beat Sefar, and it wasnt the other pantheons that stopped Sefar. The original wielder appeared because nobody could stop it(except combined 12 Olympians from the LB)
@@ssjokg4952 Goetia and Solomon have a noble phantasm stronger than Excalibur so they should win, prime tiamat is stronger than both of them so she also would win, and the lb7 crew has feats and statements that just put them above sefar. Eresh alter was stated with only a fourth of gugalana to be able to stalemate sefar, kuku scales abore that version of Eresh with only a fourth of gugalana, Olga scales at full power to both of the as well and Camazotz fought ort who is at least hundreds of times stronger than sefar for thousands to millions of years and won in the end. Sefar also wouldn't be able to kill Camazotz, and even the ort that is super weakened in lb7 he is still above sefar because he's above a full-power eresh alter
@@borrxc3470 Goetia had to exterminate a few thousand years of human history to "fuel" that NP. And yet none of those was summoned/ordered to kill Sefar.
@@ssjokg4952 when you use a character you use the version at their peak, goetias NP at his peak was the strongest and the counter force would never summon a beast to fight, Tiamat was in imaginary space at the time and the lb7 people are special cases for the world and wouldn't be as strong summoned normally
@@borrxc3470 Okay then lets say that Shirou can fight on par with the Rounds or several OP Servants because some very specific version was able to win with very conditions. Lets say that Artoria is the STRONGEST just because Unsealed Excalibur is PURE HAX even tho she cant use it, nor was the OG wielder. Among those you had Mesopotamian gods as well who would be alive at that point and yet didnt rush in to fight. Very weird how they decided to just get nerfed into Divine Spirits instead of, I dont know, jumping Sefar. All of them, except Tiamat, were alive. They dont need to be summoned in nerfed vessels. So why were all of them destroyed in PHH and the British Lostbelt?
Its Literal Is a Fully Unsealed Excalibur scales its power to its Opponet im PPH Saber was the one who used the Fully Unsealed Excalibur to Defeated Sefar who has canonicly Destroyed other Planets and Saber one shotted Sefar one
9:55 that is incorrect divine constructs cannot be REPLICATED but they can still be projected the projections will simply be imperfect and have faults in them 10:40 you accidently listed excalibur as anti army instead of anti fortress (you did this again with excalibur morgan later) 11:34 arthuria is not that tired by it if she has a proper amount of magical energy such as under rin or with avalon and her dragon core she can fire it multiple times in a row and be fine 12:59 she can only do that because of sakura near infinite magical energy it has nothing to do with its corruption quite literally ANY servant could do that with any noble phantasm if they had the magical energy reserves that she gained from sakura matou
1:00 GOB only contains TREASURES meaning noble phantasms that are not physical items for example a NP that is an ability granted based on a feat in a hero's legend are NOT contained within the gate of babylon 1:04 while some weapons existed prior in GOB most weapons are COPIES of the prototypes in the GOB not the exact same weapons 1:20 yes they are found in gilgamesh treasury gilgamesh obtained EVERY treasure on the planet this includes divine constructs that existed on earth at the time when he was alive 1:25 most servants posses atleast 2 NPs I am not sure WHY its said early on in the series that most servants have 1 NP but its much rarer to find a servant with 1 noble phantasm then 1 with multiple 2:07 small nitpick but HIS NAME IS HERACLES 2:23 the clip you are using here is not the noble phantasm you are listing you listed the anti unit NP gae bolg barbed spear that strikes with death but the clip you showed is of the anti army NP gae bolg soaring spear that strikes with death this are 2 different noble phantasms barbed spear is a technique cu invented by himself using the spear's ability and soaring spear is the proper technique of the spear taught to him by scathach furthermore iskander NP ioion hetairon is not the best example of an anti army NP it functions almost nothing like most of them it would have been better if you used the 2 gae bolgs as an example since they work PERFECTLY as a demonstration to the difference between an anti unit and an anti army
5:02 guessing you forgot about the whole asking me to fact check your videos and that caused this terrible mistake zeus did not fuse with the other machine gods in proper human history he only did that in the atlantic lostbelt which is a pruned timeline(an alternate destroyed universe basically) and unlike what you said he managed to drive the white titan back in that timeline
Incredible video Bro, That switch up showing off Excalibur Morgan was badass asf!
Thank you!!! You're the only one that's mentioned it so far so you have no idea how much that means lol, glad you liked it!
Amazing video. Especially the transition of Salter, that was actually clean ash. Keep it the good videos
Thanks! Glad you liked that bit in particular, the edit was really fun for me.
that intro is fire as fuck
I wonder who was the first wielder of Excalibur, the who defeated the White Titan?
Probably an A-Ray fairy of some kind, they created it and kept it protected within the reverse side after all.
@@Nekogami04 I'm pretty sure it was a human, I think the Fae made the sword, gave it to the human, the human used it, and either the Fae instantly took it back, or took it back after the humans death. I mean seriously, I think it's been confirmed to have been a human.
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the first user of excalibur was the ultimate one type/moon who gaia personally recruited to help fight sefar.
@@uteriel282 Don't think that's ever been confirmed. As far as I'm aware, it was literally just a human. It might've been a servant summoned from the future, it might've been Artoria herself, either summoned from Avalon, or sent hurtling back in time while she was still alive thanks to Merlin shenanigans or something, but it was a human.
Your editing skills are getting better especially the way you ended it, the transition to the black holy sword was EX-cellent, but I feel like you left somethings out, part 2 perhaps? Some of the things in the video were amazing and I am glad you mentioned them like Morgan having different personalities and Sefar background but somethings were missed or were not correct (for correction you can write a comment and pin it to the top) about the Greek gods, what you mentioned only happened in LB5 which is not actual PHH (Pan-Human History) so overall that is not to be considered canon, as lostbelts are just timelines that are actively trying to rewrite the Pan-Human History that are actual canon this is a simplification of what a lostbelt is so chill out Fate fans cut me some slack I have written 5 paragraphs already thus it wouldn't be right mentioning them here, the gods didn't come together, some died like Ares things happened and then someone showed up with Excalibur and blasted Sefar away and Gilgamesh does have some divine constructs such as Vajra, Vimana, Harpe, but he still doesn't have Excalibur or Avalon, now as for part 2:
I know Artoria never removes them but she does have restraints on Excalibur, similar to that of Excalibur Proto, this was not only mentioned in the original VN but was further backed up in FGO, it is A++ rank because only one restraint is removed at best, like I said she has never done it but since both Excalibur have the same restraints and both were created for the same purpose it isn't that crazy to think that Artoria's Excalibur can also change it's type and rank when 7 restraints are removed, now I don't remember exactly if Proto-Arthur removed 6 or 7 restraints but when he did his Excalibur is ranked as EX and it's type or classification is unknown.
Saber was able to hold off EA to catch Gil over guard in Fate route in the VN, this was base Excalibur and Gil does say he is going to go all out, Excalibur is eclipsed without any issue but it gives Saber time to use Avalon which catches Gil off guard and since he can't stop EA once it starts spinning she is able to close the distant and Excalibur him.
To get the second video to 8 mins you can put in that Excalibur's true name can be called whether or not it's restraints are removed or not, which I think Proto-Excalibur can't do for that to be activated Arthur needs to removed 6 restraints I believe (I don't remember now it has been ages since I last delved into Proto-Arthur, but in any instance we see the guy he does remove restraints to fire it so yeah) and this is more of a fact for Avalon but lump it here anyways, that Saber can fire Excalibur many times if she has Avalon.
Lastly there is a theory in the fandom that the Excalibur was forged from the Light of the Creator God, like the God in Abrahamic religions Christianity, Judaism and Islam this is just a theory, because king Arthur always said that this sword Excalibur was the greatest blessing or reward given to him by God, since he was a Christian (assuming here don't get mad Twitter) and he along with Merlin knew it's true power, it is a possibility, this is however a theory and doesn't need to be in the video just thought it was a fun theory to mention, this would also explain why Sefar was nuked by it and why it can release a divine-spirit level power.
That is enough fanboying over Fate for one day, if you read all that hope you have a nice day.
Uh, no. The Olympians only combined as a megazord in LB5. In PHH, the fact that they didn’t combined is precisely why they were defeated.
“Can’t spam it”
Meanwhile me playing fgo…
She couldn't spam it with Shirou.. She probably could with Rin.. and even especially with Sakura (Even if she wasn't corrupted)
@@aomafura3374 Don’t you dare compare me and my master ship to those fauder
I am truly impressed, that has got to be the most impressive compression of Fate/ Universe I've ever seen, thank you!
If you perhaps see this,please talk about karna and his noble phantasms too
I impressed! very well done!
Thank you very much!
Amazing video as always man
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wtf is this videoquality brooooo. You need way more views
Great video love it ❤
Good as always
Thank you thank you
Thanks, i love this video👍🏻
If I'm not mistaken it's the same sword that struck down the white titan
Can you make a Video where you also talk about the other Excalibur? Like the version of Castoria or Richards and Gawains ones.
I’ve honestly been struggling for ideas and that’s a great one! I’ll definitely do that, thanks!
@@mocha13 and maybe Boudica's sword which seems to be some sort of imperfect prototype of Excalibur.
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Out of all wepons i would want it would be Excalibur cause complex multiverse wepon, able allow you to tank inf strength attacks, reaction speed faster then light, as well useful abilities i would want more as well avalon being the most broken defensive noble phantasm
There is some error though, the zeus merging part only happens in lostbelt timeline. In PHH, they never merged and still got saved by Excalibur (that’s why in PHH we don’t have greek mecha gods). It would be great if you didn’t miss Excalbur full strength that unleash the power of the entire plant to fight sefar.
Excalibur was only made (in the fate lore) when the alien god Sefar wrecked havoc in earth killing most of the gods in every mythology(their original form cause they still exist in their weaker versions) and Excalibur was made inside the inner sea of gaia making it the will of planet itself while Ea trancends human comprehension because no-one knows its true origins thus its difficult how or when it was created
From the information we've been given, we know Sword of Rupture is the crystallization of the creation of the world; it is a divine construct created by the gods, and it's affected by Potnia Theron. This means it's an older divine construct, but it's younger than the arrival of the Olympian's since the Sword of Mars/Ares is the prototype for all divine constructs, and it was definitely created on Earth.
The problem is Ea is not a sword in context or it's the basis of a sword specially when 3 of it's cylinders rotate it brings winds of destruction that tears fabrics of reality if you look at the sword of Mars it too spins either Ea is the original and the prototype is the sword of mars vise versa
@@johnmanapol9734 Photon Ray is the prototype for all divine constructs, which would include Ea.
I don't know if I'm correct but EA is a goddess that chose gil when he lost enkidu out of pity
@@trapking2009 Pretty sure Gil had Ea when he first met Enkidu
Ngl I agree with you but we haven’t seen Ea full power yet
It is my favorite anime sword for a good reason.
wow dude this video is amazing 😀
You got the sefar section wrong. Zeus and the other gods fuse to beat Sefar in an alternate timeline where excalibur is never created. In proper human history they don't, and they are killed one by one, Ares being the last one and blah blah blah.
That was the lostbelt version in the video but I guess here it doesn't do much damage, in the end Sefar was put down by Excalibur but I do agree it still isn't right.
No you are wrong.
In PHH, Zeus didn’t merge and lost, still get saved by Excalibur.
In LB5, Zeus merged but draw, still get saved by Excalibur, the greek gods didn’t lose mecha bodies.
In LB6, Zeus didn’t merge, no excalibur made, the surface is wiped clean.
@@imdear459 did you even read my comment? Why do you tell me I'm wrong just to repeat what I said lol
@@guesswho8556 You literally said “Zues and the other gods fuse to beat Sefar in an alternative timeline where Excalibur is never created”
They fused in LB5, a timeline that they got saved by excalibur and got to saved their mech bodies
They didn’t fused in LB6, a timeline where excalibur wasn’t created
@@imdear459 Excalibur was never forged in LB5. Don't make stuff up.
The sword of humanity vs the sword of divinity
Wait... Unlimited Blade Works technically has divine constructs though, like Sul-sagana. Even if it was a replication of abilities via class cards, I don't see anything that would make the Archer Class cards' tracing any different than normal EMIYA's tracing. I also remember hearing somewhere that the reason Ea wasn't able to be copied was because if Gilgamesh's contract with Ea and not actualy anything to do with the sword itself (though I don't think that info is reliable, feel free to debunk it). EMIYA even admitted that Excalibur was in UBW, it's just that using it would kill him due to mana costs.
Aw shoot, now we need an exploration of UBW and how confusing that is (especially with EXTRA's version letting Nameless bypass the degraded copy restriction).
Idk about Excalibur but one thing that completely negates EA is avalon
Cool video, can u do morgan next. No one puts all her feats in a video
he literally mentioned he would in the video
@@nightshrine4257 oh i must have missed it, do you have the time stamp so i can look back
@@rudcol8164 9:35
"Confusing" is because it's been retconned so many times lol.
Excalibur was created by God with the core of a star
Avalon is definitely sttonger than Ea albeit comparing offensive and defensive power is a bit weird. But Avalon is Artorias broken NP.
Fr bro it's hella confusing for one sec it can't even harm Berserker and the next second it's killing him 7 times the same goes for Ea like one moment it's getting annhilated and the next second it's gonna completely deflect Ea
That's because gil switches from low rank fodder to actual good noble phantams
Saber is on limited resources when fighting Berserker due to having no way to recover magical energy and it was actually Caliburn that multi-killed Berserker.
i heard some cap in fate stay night 2006 gilgamesh summon the original version of excalibur and he summoned it in strange fate vs alcides
That was Merodach : The original sin.
The predecessor to all of future Sword of Selection (Caliburn, Gram, etc) And no, not the original of Excalibur, but Caliburn, the sword of Selection, one that Artoria pulled out from the stone.
Edit : It's much stronger then Caliburn.
That was the prototype for Caliburn and the other weapons known as "Swords of Selection".
There is no prototype of Excalibur, Excalibur was the first of it's kind forged. The only "prototype" version of it is literally just it in the prototype universe.
nah he summoned the sword to throw shades at shirou who projected caliburn to protect the defeated and injured saber on the fuyuki bridge scene.
Excalibur is stronger? Potentially but it has all these conditions and rules to use its 100% fire power that 9 out of 10 times EA just wins by default.
Well by potential is actually Ea it just matters of how much magical energy you have so far we haven't seen unlimit of how much it can output
Exaclibur is not stronger as it's a mana amplifier into attack strength. Ea is just contain load of mana in there already.
But that's the reason why Saber using Excalibur far out class Gilgamesh using Ea in a normal condition. Her dragon core was describe to generate as much mana like the planet core. Mean while Gilgamesh is incapable of using Ea true strength.
@@ancy1205 unless he could get closer to his true origin in throne of heroes at half of his powers EA can destroy all creation but Avalon can still tank it
@@trapking2009 Well, destroy all creation is not that high of the bar. Ea was a tool to make the planet by the god, so it should at least be at anti-planet level, not anti-world in Gil's hand even in his Mythical Mystic Code form.
@@ancy1205 make which planet? It existed while earth was larval state but I don't think it's involved with creation of the world and the EA is literally feared by counter force which make them restrict it's divinity. In fate extra we get a glimpse of EA true power feared by even gods
en Avalon is the strongest.
also, pretty sure the Sword was returned to the lady of the lake.
Yes that’s literally the entire reason the lion king exist in Camelot
Is Excalibur really a divine construct though? It seems like it was made by the fairies and Archer can canonically make a copy of it even though it would be of a lesser quality
@@FinalTsurugi it is. And there’s no need to elaborate upon this.
Fate Grand Order - Artoria Profile 4:
[ Excalibur ]
Rank: A++
NP Type: Anti-Fortress
‘Sword of Promised Victory. A weapon *not forged by man, but a Divine Construct* forged within the Planet.
The Noble Phantasm that is the greatest of all sacred swords. The true power of this sword lies within its sheath, which is said to be lost forever.’
It probably something else that disguised as Excalibur. Shirou dub the sword he projected in Heaven feel as the strongest sword he know, but he could not project Divine Construct. So it's something that's not a Divine Construct, but stronger than Excalibur.
Nasu also mentioned how Archer have something with similar performance in UBW.
All in all, probably a futuristic sword made by a new breed of humanity that equal or stronger than Excalibur.
If it wasn't it would be in gate of babylon along with all regular weapon
Maxed out Ea ≈ Excalibur all deals removed
No such thing ever happen. We only know Gilgamesh use Ea in his max capacity, and it's just above a regular Excalibur in Servant form a tiny bit.
Excalibur cannot be projected, huh. And yet, time and time again, it is done. First was Heaven's Feel Shirou in the normal ending, who used it in a suicide attack on the holy grail. Then it was probably Illya when she first installed EMIYA's card. And Saber card blatantly copies Artoria along with Excalibur. And Nameless uses it as a super attack.
Of course, all of those are degraded versions of Excalibur, but Excalibur is at such a level that even if EMIYA were to only reproduce 25-50% of it's full potential it would still be enough for most enemies. It's beyond his mana level to do it as a Servant, but I think he can do it when summoned as a Counter Guardian. It's a bit funny how Fate lore is so wishy-washy at times, it says that he can't project Excalibur until he suddenly can because plot or gameplay demands it. And Muramasa in Shirou's body literally forged a real one now...
Canonically speaking the cards used in prisma ARE the servants so Illya isn’t copying Excalibur with the saber card that’s the actual Excalibur.
Ngl it would be interesting if Emiya was the one who beat the white titan.
This is easily the best theory I’ve ever read
@@mocha13 that would also be dope plus it might have been artoria too
3:15 this is a misconception we’ve seen shirou project multiple divine constructs not just Excalibur across multiple different series.
If you referring to prisma then that's not canon and Nasu has already stated he can't.
@@whateverwhatever4476 his talking about FSN in which shirou projects excalibur in HF and FGO where archer projects excalibur
nasu DID NOT say he cannot project divine consturcts
he stated he cannot make REPLICAS which is a PERFECT reconstruction but he can still make inferior versions
it never was shirou cant but rather he shouldn't, projection`s need for mana can be meet if shirou practise with his circuits for decades or establish a bounded filed with formalcraft but what really the problem is his brain cant take it. things made by gods have too much information to grasp and shirou with his above average magic circuits he doesn't have that calculation capacity to project divin swords.
@@invalidexistance6649shirou straight up can’t read it it’s not made by humans so he has no knowledge abt EA or what it’s made of and could never know cuz it’s not any element found on earth
@@laxbingo6894 brother read what we were talking about again. we were talking about divine construct swords. shirou can never project ea as ea is not a sword by concept but rather something that predates the concept of a sword .
It cannot be stronger than EA. EA deletes from existence no matter what is on its way. Excalibur is powerful, but it represents only the wishes, dreams, thoughts... Of one nation, unleashing this energy in enormous, powerful blast, but that's it. In fact EA in theory should be the most powerful weapon in the whole fate universe.
Excalibur is literally the planets last defense. It is the manifestation of _all of humanities wishes and dreams,_ not just Britains, and it gains as much power as needed to destroy the threat it's facing. Full power Excalibur > Full power Ea and Enuma Elish, especially since Enuma Elish _is_ Ea's maximum output, meaning a heavily nerfed Excalibur faced a moderately nerfed Ea and still managed to hold the line against it repeatedly.
EA didn’t deletes from existing, it was know as have the power of a star that seperate sky and earth. It’s not like EA was a myth, Gil used it in GO but it only show destruction level is so stupid that there’s nothing left. If it really swipe everything out of existence then please explain why it couldn’t erase Excalibur in last battle?
Another person who doesnt understand how Excalibur works
@@sebastianfontanez1081 Yeah but EA is the deification of the stars that hit Earth and made it have life. It clearly outranks all primordial gods like Tiamat Chaos
@@ercterburn1053Not at all smh. It’s impressive how you can take Ea out of context and scale it above Tiamat and Chaos. Where are you getting this idea from?
Ea’s fancy and conceited origins doesn’t scale it anywhere at all. Both Chaos and Tiamat can eat attacks on the magnitude of Ars Almadel Salomonis at a stable state and you think Ea outranks them? How tf?
Excalibur is stronger than ea? no. Every time it fought against ea was just toying around. Gilgamesh has all the treasure of the world he very well know how powerful excalibur is and how powerful it can be, the only problem its power always fluctuating so its hard to gauge at any moment how strong currently is.
It was because Excalibur is a weapon that amplify mana, unlike Ea which is a tool to stabilized the planet. This is a problem when Saber was using Shirou's mana. Else, Saber would absolutely crush Gilgamesh so hard in a straight match it wasn't even funny.
here's the thing fate media throughout the years don't understand the functional mechanics of Excalibur what it does and how it matters in terms of powers and etc. we know that the Oldest and Strongest Noble phantasm is NOT Excalibur but instead EA the "the law of creation" also known as The Sword of Separation. It is literally in the description of the command code stating that EA is the Oldest and strongest noble phantasm Humanity has ever possessed and it's literally - "The utmost secret Noble Phantasm of the King of Heroes. The three stone tablets of the blade represents Earth, Heaven and the Underworld, namely the Universe. Its influence is not limited to the one facing it but the world itself.
It is the strongest and oldest Noble Phantasm that humanity ever possessed."
This is literally true when know that EA fashioned the earth. EA (that has been deified) in mythology and is an alien weapon born before the breath of creation and genesis. There is no Noble Phantasm that rivals that of EA this has been known for years. and yet people still forget that this description exists.
the only ever reason you want to scale UP Excalibur is with Sefar but that's extremely vague considering all Sefar does is it has ??? rank absorption of Magical energy something Excalibur counters because it uses the Heat of the planet when it's unsealed and even when it was sealed all it did was convert the users magical energy into heat not "light" but literally heat and why it is considered a physical kinetic energy that Sefar couldn't absorb. and how it beat the Machine gods Zeus and etc. are vague and lacking context because it was off screened. all we know is that they duked and Megazord Zeus stalemated with Sefar without access to any of his Authorities and rove her away until she starved and self destructed. Even if you counted Zeus Authorities, there was nothing to counter against her Magical Absorption which is why most of them struggled to beat her even someone like Amaterasu who far Surpasses her in magical energy and the weight of the sun. Excalibur was just that... a natural counter because Sefar couldn't Absorb other energies besides magic. The entire purpose of Excalibur is the crystalized wishes of Man in history. so it has threat to humanity as a literal scale, to how great the threat is that's how much the planet will lend it's heat energy for Excalibur to destroy it not even in the lostbelt 7 stated that they beat ORT not because of conceptual advantages or higher power, they literally stated they needed to obliterated it's cells that's about it. this has been overly done with so many times before now and I cannot fathom people still think Excalibur is as strong as EA. when it doesn't even have the conceptual advantages of EA's Anti-World effects.
Exactly, Ea is a tool to made the Earth, not a weapon the Earth forge to defend itself. The fact that Gilgamesh can obtain it while hating the god speak volume how weak it is in term of offensive power.
"Her heart is forged from the concept of dragons.
Its magical energy can rival that of Earth's own core.
Pulsing with the dragon's roar, the king shall bring down the Sword of the Planet.
The Sacred Sword is crowned the STRONGEST, because of the power of its wielder." - FGO
Conclusion is that Ea is the strongest NP humanity have ever possessed. But Exaclibur have never been possess by humanity as Saber doesn't represent humanity. And once she pass, Exaclibur have to return to the Lady of the Lake instead of remain in the owner vault like Gil's Ea
@@ancy1205 the excalibur is forged by humanity's will to save itself and is used by humanity.
@@kiana4237 It's in fact, was not forged by humanity will
" Excalibur was not forged by mankind, but crystallised within the Earth"
- Fate/complete material III: World Material - The Servants of the Fifth Holy Grail War: Saber, p.020-021
@@ancy1205 it's forged by humanities will lol tempered inside the planet it's measured by threat to humanity scale.
>This is the Sword... It looks like it belonged to the god i destroyed. But it's much smaller... Small enough for a person to wield, but so hot. The white, massive figure splita in two. All the spintrons it had absorbed from the planet fall onto the Earths surface like powdery snow. There, in a faraway land, the titan completes. Its collapse it falls by the light of the stars, to whom humanity had sent its most desperate wishes.
-extella
>Sword of light. It is not a man-made weapon, but rather a divine construct tempered by the planet. It is the Noble Phantasm standing at the very pinnacle of holy swords.
>The strongest illusion (Last Phantasm), crystallized and refined from the wishes of humanity stored in the planet.
-Fate/complete material II: Character material - Weapons: Excalibur, p.118
@@ancy1205 >and regardless, the argument is oldest and strongest noble phantasm that humanity has used not created you keep larping on that part.
I want to correct two things that are incorrect about gate of babylon and the greek(at the time of the invasion atlantic) gods. About the gate of babylon it is a misinformation that is a easy mistake to make, I also believed it myself, which is the fact that the treasure only has human items, which is not true, actually he has all of divine origin too.
To start from the beginning he already shows non-human treasures since the beginning of the fate series, in stay night he uses treasures like harpe the immortal killer weapon which is currently revealed to be even part of the divine authority of Zeus, and vajra which to describe In a fell words, if I'm not mistaken, it would be like the lightnings of the god Indra from Hindu mythology, these two are nps of divine origin, after that in fate zero he uses vimana who is a flying fortress, a vehicle of the hindu gods, to which Gilgamesh's version is more like a jet than a fortress(if you want to see a fortress version, in fgo, the king of lostbelt 4 arjuna alter uses it). Continuing, in fate/illya he uses treasures like the shield of the gods and hades cape of invisibility, who also are divine treasures, in the context of divine constructs for those who think he has divine treasures but not divine constructs(besides ea and the chains of heaven), he shows two ig-alima and sul-sagana, now for written proofs I remember two, there must be more but these are enough, in extra ccc he says specifically the only things that are missing in the vault are things crafted by post-humans using new concepts and items of extraterrestrial origin, just these two, anything beyond this must be in the treasury, including divine items, fairy items, and so on. furthermore in strange fake, in the first volume it is said with all the words that the treasure has everything human or divine. The second thing I wanted to comment on is that in the invasion of sefar 14000 years ago, the atlantic gods dont fused, they only did this in an alternate world, in normal history they fought her separate and they are all destroyed in consequence, what was left of their bodies would later be reincarnated as the Greek gods, divine spirits a lot weaker if compared to their true forms.
Thanks for the corrections!
@@mocha13 thank you for replying, your videos are great, I just had to correct it, because it's a very common mistake in the community. A lot of people say that fate is complicated in the timeline, but in reality the complicated thing are details like this.
You were right about the divine constructs about him having some of them even in the original VN like Vajra but he still doesn't have Excalibur or Avalon right about LB5 part too, he possess the prototype of Caliburn but since in Fate Caliburn and Excalibur are different he doesn't have it in GoB, he might get it one day if he can...as a servant though I doubt he would be.
@@zain.munirzain5872 yeah, i too believe that he doesn't have excalibur or avalon, but if he has it or not, has never been answered. so it wouldn't be wrong to think that he has it, because is still in the realm of possibility. Besides, as I showed, he has all divine treasures, not only some.
@@L10n36 I kind agree that there is a realm of possibility but it is still highly doubtful because had he possessed one I am pretty sure his massive ego would've made him pull it just to one up Saber, like he did with Caliburn and Shirou, let's not forget most of things he does and manages to pull off is because of his ego, like when he gave the command seals to Hakuno in CCC after she used all of them to form a contract with him, he said "Who do you think I am? Of course I have a couple of command spells lying around or something along those lines" he loves showing off and stroking his own ego, and considering what he wants to do to Saber, that would've only made him more well smug what I meant by some divine treasures/constructs was that he has them but we have only seen some.
in my opinion, it is impossible for excalibur to be stronger than ea. Ea was created before humanity, and represents the beginning of the world itself, and as such it can destroy the world, and it is not a sword. Of course this all goes to shit when more than 7 seals are released, in that case it'll just be a infinite raw energy that destroys everything. But also Sefar counters EA, and excalibur counters sefar, doesn't mean excalibur is stronger than sefar.
Edit: I should mention, none of this matters, which sword is stronger solely depends on nasu, its inconsistent as hell and power scaling in fate is just an enormous waste of time
Excalibur was neither forged by humanity, nor meant to protect it. Excalibur as a divine construct is made as one of several protection devices with the purpose of protecting the earth. Whether or not EA is older than humanity is henceforth irrelevant. Whi,e it is true that Excalibur is usually bellow that of EA, It's unsealed variant is supplemented with so much energy that even EA lacks any feats that'd even suggest it being placed before it. EA's most impressive feat that we know of would probably be in defeating a severely weakened Tiamat. Excalibur however was not used only to defeat Sefar(whereas I'm quite confident it was never mentioned that it was particularly weak against Excalibur to begin with) but also Draco, something that was accomplished with one blow. A beast who far surpasses even Goetia judging by their mana input. I feel as though it's safe to say that EA has a lower roof than Excalibur, seeing as it apparently has a rather quantifiable limit being negated by Enkidu in Strange/Fake, whereas Excalibur with no seals is capable of defeating beings who are practically stated to reach different dimensions. Though I am curious, how is EA countered by Sefar in an way other than Sefar simply being more powerful? Sefar's entire energy drain gimmick is also applicable to Excalibur
What r u on about son? then how is it that Tsiah IV & plenty others constantly power scale this franchise
@@Angras_advocate18ignore that comment it's mostly rubbish honestly..
Excalibur at full power is thousands of times stronger than Ea. That's a fact.
@@guesswho8556 Wrong.. the only reason artoria won is because ascalon made her invulnerable
Yes, It was infact stronger than EA.
Its not lol 💀
@@Sb142sf Another person who obviously dont read.
@@Ultimate0Phantasmor people who doesn’t know how to scale properly. It’s literally stated that Ea and Excalibur’s output are relative. Ea exceeds and is stronger than the Anti-fortress A++ Excaliblast that Artoria dishes out. Ea is generally the stronger and more consistent option 99% of the time. Excalibur unsealed scales its power based on the opponent its fighting, whether they threaten humanity or the world. Like what happened in LB7 with U-Olga. Even without the special “buff” it gets, that version of Excalibur is literally just stronger than the relative one that matches (or in context weaker than) Ea. So yes in fact, Excalibur is stronger in pure AP than Ea.
@@Mitsuru-Miki you're talking about ea and Ea alone the winds the Gilgamesh normal produces are the base AP of ea it's full power is when gil uses Enuma Elisha
@@hassanhassan-os5oq not enough conclusive evidence to imply anything other than such when Excalibur and Ea with the actual attack Enuma Elish already clashed back in SN, which is fundamentally and universally accepted that it is stronger. Yes Excalibur was overpowered but the gap of strength between the two isn't miles or orders of magnitudes that a lot people think. Therefore they are relative in output with Ea having the upper hand thanks to its ability to rupture space.
Does Alcides have 3 or FUCKIN 13?? (Np's)
13 more or less
All this hype and it is the most generica and boring NP, while we have Gae Bolg, Zabanya, Tsubame Gaeshi, pretty much all other NPs are cooler and more interesting. This is just another anime beam.
it was type/moon who used excalibur to defeat sefar.
also sefar was only knocked out and blasted into the moon where the mooncell sealed it in an artificial dimension.
and in fgo lostbelt 5 zeus defeated sefar without excalibur after he forcefully claimed the authorities of the other 11 olympians.
anti world vs snti fortress, i wonder which is stronger? teal brain teaser
It is stronger then ea depend of the situation if ea is used to destroy the world exalibur will be stronger
Ea cant destroy the world anyway
@@ssjokg4952 it can't?
@@nightwolfnordberg9476 nope it can’t. Already been established by Holmes and Da Vinci conversation in Shinjuku part 1.5. And yes this also includes other works that “states” Ea can destroy the planet like in Fate Strange Fake. Ea does irrevocable damage to the world’s textures and grinds reality hence why its an *ANTI-WORLD* Np and *FEELS* as if though the planet was being crushed apart. Hence why Enkidu needed magical energy from the counterforce to match Ea’s power and protect the world’s integrity, so far as going to offset it several times over. It can’t actually planet bust. Servants generally aren’t strong enough to do that.
If beasts in the levels of Tiamat and Goetia take thousands of years worth prep time to destroy the world and bypass its protection, what makes Ea anymore special and powerful than them? Goetia needed 3 thousand years worth of magical energy, converting all sapient beings on the planet as fuel for his grand plan, yet the best AAS could muster up at statements was burn a hole in the planet itself while incinerating human history. This is even despite having 100 million Excaliburs in AAS when fired all at once.
Even if an Anti-Planetary NP (or in translation Anti-Star) existed on paper (which later proven true with Zeus’ Divine authority World Discipline Keraunos, and Romulus=Quirinus NP) which transcends an Anti-World Np just from pure definition/context, it still wouldn’t be enough to crack the planet into bits the way that people expect it to be. Ea’s range at best in its current feats would be around City to Provincial. Higher if the story goes on but currently as shown in the franchise that’s the best its going to go.
@@nightwolfnordberg9476 No. It can destroy a layer of the world, think of it like what Shadow Gil does in Prisma, but it cant destroy the planet.
It can’t crack the planet. Holmes and Da Vinci have already established this in their conversation in Shinjuku Part 1.5. Ea does irrevocable damage to the world’s texture, crushing reality whenever unleash, hence why its an *ANTI-WORLD* Np and *FEELS* as if though the planet was being destroyed like in Fate Strange Fake LN. It can’t actually planet bust in the same manner that ORT could or hyperbolic Lostbelt Zeus style.
Oh yea on base Ea is stronger but on base Excalibur still has seals on it. Unsealed with all seals lifted Excalibur out powers anything.... the point of Excalibur was created by Gaia itself to destroy anything used correctly. Just like how no servant could fight Archetype earth as she was born from the moon and Gaia to fight outer beings that threaten Gaia.
There are two counter forces
Counter force; Gaia
Counter force; Humanity
The reason Ea has a hard time fighting and would lose (unsealed) to an unsealed Excalibur is because ur fighting the authority of Gaia itself just like if a servant fought Archetype Earth/ Arcuad they would lose.
However foreigners are built diffrent and can actually fight back as there linked with Outergods and are not of Gaia.
Foreigners are a little scary...
Well , if you have enough magical energy , you can destroy anything with ea
@@YhwachAbsorbed same with excalibur
@@Hazel564 i meant if it had the same magical energy connection with ga
@@Hazel564 no it's different you're referring to something else and i'm referring to something else , so maybe and maybe not
I honestly think that there are beings on earth that are stronger than sefar, i think goetia and prime Solomon are, prime tiamat, ereshkigal alter, kukulkan, U-olga marie, prime Camazotz and a few others
The 12 Olympians Machine Gods are just as strong if not stronger and failed to beat Sefar, and it wasnt the other pantheons that stopped Sefar. The original wielder appeared because nobody could stop it(except combined 12 Olympians from the LB)
@@ssjokg4952 Goetia and Solomon have a noble phantasm stronger than Excalibur so they should win, prime tiamat is stronger than both of them so she also would win, and the lb7 crew has feats and statements that just put them above sefar. Eresh alter was stated with only a fourth of gugalana to be able to stalemate sefar, kuku scales abore that version of Eresh with only a fourth of gugalana, Olga scales at full power to both of the as well and Camazotz fought ort who is at least hundreds of times stronger than sefar for thousands to millions of years and won in the end. Sefar also wouldn't be able to kill Camazotz, and even the ort that is super weakened in lb7 he is still above sefar because he's above a full-power eresh alter
@@borrxc3470 Goetia had to exterminate a few thousand years of human history to "fuel" that NP.
And yet none of those was summoned/ordered to kill Sefar.
@@ssjokg4952 when you use a character you use the version at their peak, goetias NP at his peak was the strongest and the counter force would never summon a beast to fight, Tiamat was in imaginary space at the time and the lb7 people are special cases for the world and wouldn't be as strong summoned normally
@@borrxc3470 Okay then lets say that Shirou can fight on par with the Rounds or several OP Servants because some very specific version was able to win with very conditions.
Lets say that Artoria is the STRONGEST just because Unsealed Excalibur is PURE HAX even tho she cant use it, nor was the OG wielder.
Among those you had Mesopotamian gods as well who would be alive at that point and yet didnt rush in to fight. Very weird how they decided to just get nerfed into Divine Spirits instead of, I dont know, jumping Sefar.
All of them, except Tiamat, were alive. They dont need to be summoned in nerfed vessels. So why were all of them destroyed in PHH and the British Lostbelt?
Its literally not stronger than EA.
Unsealed excalibur is thousands of times stronger than Enuma Elish.
Its Literal Is a Fully Unsealed Excalibur scales its power to its Opponet im PPH Saber was the one who used the Fully Unsealed Excalibur to Defeated Sefar who has canonicly Destroyed other Planets and Saber one shotted Sefar one
@@kevinbaumhoer7359 It wasn't Saber who defeated Sefar, but aside from that Excalibur did one shot her.
@@zain.munirzain5872 yes yes sry i mixed some things up
@@zain.munirzain5872 yes yes i mixed zhings up my bad still it stands Excalibur can be stronger then Ea if a Situation arrives for it
9:55 that is incorrect
divine constructs cannot be REPLICATED but they can still be projected the projections will simply be imperfect and have faults in them
10:40 you accidently listed excalibur as anti army instead of anti fortress
(you did this again with excalibur morgan later)
11:34 arthuria is not that tired by it if she has a proper amount of magical energy
such as under rin or with avalon and her dragon core she can fire it multiple times in a row and be fine
12:59 she can only do that because of sakura near infinite magical energy it has nothing to do with its corruption
quite literally ANY servant could do that with any noble phantasm if they had the magical energy reserves that she gained from sakura matou
1:00 GOB only contains TREASURES meaning noble phantasms that are not physical items for example a NP that is an ability granted based on a feat in a hero's legend are NOT contained within the gate of babylon
1:04 while some weapons existed prior in GOB most weapons are COPIES of the prototypes in the GOB not the exact same weapons
1:20 yes they are found in gilgamesh treasury
gilgamesh obtained EVERY treasure on the planet this includes divine constructs that existed on earth at the time when he was alive
1:25 most servants posses atleast 2 NPs
I am not sure WHY its said early on in the series that most servants have 1 NP but its much rarer to find a servant with 1 noble phantasm then 1 with multiple
2:07 small nitpick but HIS NAME IS HERACLES
2:23 the clip you are using here is not the noble phantasm you are listing
you listed the anti unit NP gae bolg barbed spear that strikes with death but the clip you showed is of the anti army NP gae bolg soaring spear that strikes with death
this are 2 different noble phantasms
barbed spear is a technique cu invented by himself using the spear's ability and soaring spear is the proper technique of the spear taught to him by scathach
furthermore iskander NP ioion hetairon is not the best example of an anti army NP it functions almost nothing like most of them
it would have been better if you used the 2 gae bolgs as an example since they work PERFECTLY as a demonstration to the difference between an anti unit and an anti army
2:07 Alcides technically
@@davestrider2766 no
Alcides is his human name prior to being renamed heracles to please hera
5:02 guessing you forgot about the whole asking me to fact check your videos and that caused this terrible mistake
zeus did not fuse with the other machine gods in proper human history he only did that in the atlantic lostbelt which is a pruned timeline(an alternate destroyed universe basically) and unlike what you said he managed to drive the white titan back in that timeline