Wing Chun Genius: "Karate Is WRONG"

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  • Wing Chun expert Kevin Lee explains kata Naihanchi / Tekki Shodan from Karate. These practical applications (bunkai) will blow your mind! Is Okinawan Karate is actually Wing Chun?
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  • @KARATEbyJesse
    @KARATEbyJesse  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1162

    Do you want more videos like this? Click subscribe 👍

    • @Gwamdes
      @Gwamdes 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I am sub you and i am like

    • @ryanosullivan2858
      @ryanosullivan2858 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I do like these comparisons so deffo

    • @king4lit707
      @king4lit707 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      yes

    • @user-pb6vr5oq7u
      @user-pb6vr5oq7u 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes 👍

    • @RajaBrahman-sn6fj
      @RajaBrahman-sn6fj 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yes sensei

  • @robertstubblefield8190
    @robertstubblefield8190 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1565

    I think this is brilliant. Alot of Southern Chinese martial arts played a role in the development of karate.

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +180

      Most definitely!

    • @bradnarok
      @bradnarok 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

      It’s been my understanding that Karate, as well as Wing Chun, Dragon, Mantis, Snake, and Bak Mei styles of Kung Fu, all evolved from Fujian White Crane. Is this correct?

    • @georgefoley9793
      @georgefoley9793 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      ​@@bradnarokNot sure about other Kung Fu styles, but definitely Wing Chun for sure. I currently practice the Goju-Ryu style of Okinawan Karate, but I also have a background in WC as well, and both styles share a lot in common when it comes to body mechanics, stances, and redirecting open hand movements.

    • @robertstubblefield8190
      @robertstubblefield8190 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      @@bradnarok Having trained in Southern Mantis, Wing Chun and Karate and I can say from my experience it's a mix of yes and no. Yes in that with Wing Chun that per the origins that both White crane as well as snake fist played a role in it's development. As for Southern Mantis particularly the Jook lum lineage had combined White Crane, Chin Na grappling and other Shaolin martial arts to get to it's development. Bak mei from what other Bak mei practitioners have said to me the arts that played a role were Tiger, death touch, wudang and Shaolin but idk white crane played a role in it's development. But for Karate, Mantis and Wing Chun it's yes and no.
      Hope this helps. Train and learn.

    • @Pantoffla
      @Pantoffla 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Bak mei, fujian white crane, five ancestors gung fu is more ore less Okinawa kenpo

  • @KevinLeeVlog
    @KevinLeeVlog 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1025

    Thanks for having me! 🙏🏼🙏🏼 I have learned so much about Karate from you! It’s so fascinating to see the connection! Now I just need a Time Machine to truly find out what happened in the past!

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +96

      That would be amazing Kevin! 🤩 Thanks again for sharing your knowledge 🙏

    • @dandenyer1543
      @dandenyer1543 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I love this! I always thought the Sanchin kata, with open hands,reflects opening of Siu Lim Tao. Wing Chun and Karate pair so well, it's like they are teaching the same thing, but Wing Chun focused forms teach by principle, which you need to learn to apply; whereas Karate forms teach by examples, for you to figure out the principle yourself.

    • @bikerunner1792
      @bikerunner1792 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i love wing chun one time a guy got in my way i elbowed striked a guy he went flying i didnt learn wing chung very long either i did for a couple weeks like to learn from a real master thought

    • @AI-Records24
      @AI-Records24 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And yes, yes you have!

    • @jamesbeach7405
      @jamesbeach7405 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I always enjoy your wing chun explanations! They are very clear and make a great deal of sense.

  • @Drescodeleo
    @Drescodeleo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +467

    As a Wing Chun practitioner, I must say that this is for once a refreshing video of comparisons between Japanese and Chinese styles. I love the approach and comradery between both masters.

    • @guyvandurme7228
      @guyvandurme7228 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Real masters do not compete, they learn from each other

    • @BadaBarreto
      @BadaBarreto 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Shoshin

    • @C5films
      @C5films 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Greatest respect, there is no Japanese style here. Traditional Karate is Okinowan, derived from Chinese teaching and influence. Japanese Karate is 'sport' karate, and that is not here. These styles meld beautifully together because they're essentially the same thing

    • @danielhashemi3163
      @danielhashemi3163 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Idk that you consider kyokushin a Japanese style or Korean but it's not definitely okinawan
      Maybe some okinawan influences but not directly a subgroup of it

    • @Drescodeleo
      @Drescodeleo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@danielhashemi3163 not kyokushin but karate itself

  • @raphaelargus2984
    @raphaelargus2984 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +218

    My Sifu, who only taught me Wing Chun and Qigong, but was a master of several other arts too, once said to me, "I'm going to show you this thing, called Tensho. Don't worry about the rest of the art it comes from, just learn this". And it became part of our Wing Chun routine. He got criticized by traditional Wing Chun guys for that!

    • @Dariet88
      @Dariet88 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      breathing kata

    • @mokkorista
      @mokkorista 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Few years ago, I've seen a local WT sifu performing something that resembled Tensho so much that it couldn't have been a coincidence. I showed him my Tensho, which is a bit different from other versions (hands movement is fast and goes in long circles, not almost straight like typical goju ryu). We agreed it's definitely from the same cradle.

    • @anistardi
      @anistardi 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      If you learn many movement but do not understand how to use it, you must be stupid. But wise man understand why that movement created and can develop many variation or even modify to be better.

    • @mokkorista
      @mokkorista 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Look for Siu Lim Tao, it's Tensho of Wing Chun.

    • @chrishart3090
      @chrishart3090 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      LOVE Tensho

  • @RIMOCEROS
    @RIMOCEROS 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +437

    As a Wing Chun guy, I really enjoyed this! Kevin Lee seems to be a very proficient Wing Chun teacher.
    You really stepped up your game over the years Jesse. Keep this quality content coming! :)

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

      I appreciate that! More coming 😁

    • @michaeljohnson6019
      @michaeljohnson6019 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Wing Chun gentlemen really has excellent understanding of the principles used.

    • @jeffrey501green
      @jeffrey501green 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@PaMuShinpick up the gold nugget wherever you can find it...

    • @anistardi
      @anistardi 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PaMuShin I agree, but it not only depend on the teacher but also depend on yourself. I learn math faster than average people regardless who is the teacher. Good teacher made the student learn more faster. In engineering, many graduated student don't know how to apply the knowledge in real world. Even they can not design a simple product then working in the different field. It is like martial arts that many student only interested how become stronger but can not apply their technique in real fight.

  • @jackheritage3023
    @jackheritage3023 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +321

    These kind of videos need to become more popular amongst martial artists as a whole. The community spends so much time at each others throats about what art is the best and which are useless... etc.
    Videos like this help us understand that PRINCIPLES are often shared from art to art. It is just the examples of the use of the principle that differ.
    Loved this video!

    • @owenwoolley3394
      @owenwoolley3394 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Based comment

    • @Averagebum21
      @Averagebum21 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      +jackheritage3023 Exactly.

    • @elpanamoe8040
      @elpanamoe8040 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Thats how many schools or styles
      were born... sharing knowledge

    • @miguelscosta
      @miguelscosta 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      yep

  • @MehrdadParthian
    @MehrdadParthian 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +112

    sense jesse's animated reactions are so funny. also i love how kevin is basically an encyclopedia of wing chun. everything jesse throws at him, he already knows and goes even further. amazing

  • @ThomasfromDenmark1
    @ThomasfromDenmark1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    Jesse you have one of the most wholesome martial arts channels on TH-cam. You are a role model for anyone who wants to learn martial arts. Genuinely open and eager to learn, and so humble. And of course you are a major martial arts nerd, your are extremely full of knowledge.

  • @smaulpaul
    @smaulpaul 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +419

    I love how you both were so excited to see the similarities in the styles and ultimately learn from each other. The energy levels in this short video were incredible. Lots of respect to Kevin who clearly knows his stuff. Well done guys

    • @dificilhardschwer
      @dificilhardschwer 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      More, more, more! It was too short.

    • @user-nc5kz9nm9m
      @user-nc5kz9nm9m 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yalnisin var karateci öhreniyor

    • @johngodson5156
      @johngodson5156 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I felt exactly the same. Well said.

  • @kevingray4980
    @kevingray4980 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +123

    When I first started learning Wing Chun in the 90s, my sifu explained the similarity to traditional Okinawan karate. "They are both based on the same movement patterns from White Crane, but Karate focuses more on using those principles to create powerful strikes to cause direct injury. Wing Chun focuses more on the intersection between striking and wrestling to improve position, use structure to physically move a larger opponent and deliver quick low energy strikes to vital targets.

    • @fallofshadows2209
      @fallofshadows2209 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      That description, combined with the movements of the Wing Chun teacher in this video remind of me certain concepts in Hapkido. Makes me wonder if they’re distantly related somehow.

    • @houseofaction
      @houseofaction 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      nope sorry but not true, the parent styles of Wing Chun are basic shaolin and Nanquan.
      where in Fujian white crane is descended from Nanquan as well.
      so its like this
      Nanquan
      Wing Chun-Fujian white crane
      Karate
      Jeet Kune do
      thats the family tree

    • @kevingray4980
      @kevingray4980 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@houseofaction I took it to mean the principles understood from observing the animal, not a literal lineage. I imagine there was a lot of cross-pollination between styles and animals served as lexicon for movement patterns.

    • @reeds.9669
      @reeds.9669 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was about to say this, my Wing Chun Sifu told me that the legend was that Ng Mui created the prototype Wing-Chun from the crane and snake techniques from the five animals Shaolin style and simplified it so that a student could learn to use these techniques effectively within a few years of start training, and then it was passed down to Yim Wing Chun and so on and so forth.

    • @jjma5894
      @jjma5894 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Correct me if I'm wrong. But I believe that Jesse did a personal trip documentry to China that tried ot follow Okinawan Karate back to China and the White Crane kung Fu in China. It was a very informative.

  • @PaulMarostica
    @PaulMarostica 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    This was extremely well done. I've never before seen such close comparisons of karate and kung fu. You 2 could make a very exciting team in a fictional martial arts movie, where the 2 of you working together each take on bad guys differently while learning from each other, and at the same time teaching the audience. The chemistry between you was as good as it gets. Get yourselves into the movie business as a team. Use this video as your promotional video.

    • @richyjay330
      @richyjay330 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Kung fu just means way of life.

  • @Yurisilveira
    @Yurisilveira 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This might be the first video that made me respect those two martial arts. It was fun watching them nerd it out their similarities.

  • @seyfoudin
    @seyfoudin 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +111

    In fact, it is not than Okinawan made a local Wing Chun, it is than Wing Chun and Karate came from the same "mother martial art" : Bai He Quan, (Crane Fist) from Foshan. If you study the Taos in Bai He, you will see that Wing Chun and Karate, in their own ways, are in fact sort of synthesis of that style !

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      Seems so!

    • @houseofaction
      @houseofaction 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      No this is wrong, Wing Chun has its origins in basic shaolin and Nanquan, karate has its basic origins fom Fujian white crane, white crane has its origins in shaolin and Nanquan. so its Nanquan
      Wing Chun- Fujian hite krane
      Karate
      so they are siblings or more akin to cousin arts

    • @rogermanley9017
      @rogermanley9017 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes!

    • @billyswong
      @billyswong 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@houseofaction This kind of nuance or confusion is like when people ask "do evolutionists claim humans are descendants of monkeys/chimpanzees". It is always somewhat a "yes and no".

  • @jhf833
    @jhf833 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +219

    Tensho is very similar to Sil Lin Tao, several aspects in common between Goju Ryu (and Naha Te in general) with Wig Chun. I think it's due to the common roots of the Fujian White Crane Fist. With this in mind, it is interesting to reflect on how the transformation into a sport when Karate arrived in Japan distorted and deformed it.

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      Spot on 👍

    • @dimulaidari3714
      @dimulaidari3714 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Kungfu being Kempo in Japanese Tongue😊

    • @Budoka2005
      @Budoka2005 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      That was also my thought. The chum kiu of Wing Chun and the Naihanchi have also very similar Motion.

    • @kris4786
      @kris4786 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@KARATEbyJesse In your China series didn't you find that Flower Shop Kung fu was similar to the Original Shaolin form and saw Naihanchi in the form. It was a very good series by the way.

    • @TheSubwaysurfer
      @TheSubwaysurfer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Totally agree with you and tenshou Is my favorite form also. I’ve always felt that it was a cousin to wing Cheong

  • @kollinhasiuk4181
    @kollinhasiuk4181 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    So cool the respect Jesse has for the other martial arts and how he seeks to understand similarities and differences in a positive educational way. It's fun to see him get so excited!

  • @andrewt8721
    @andrewt8721 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    This is the best video I've seen explaining the similarities between both arts, you guy's rock, thank you from down under Australia

  • @SalvadorTrakal
    @SalvadorTrakal 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +237

    One of the systems that influenced Okinawan Karate is White Crane, they even share a form, Sanchin. Both White Crane and Wing Chun come from the same place, Yongchun.
    Always loved to find connections between Chinese systems and this is why Okinawan Karate has a special place in my heart, even tho I have never practiced it. Great video as always!

    • @sayajinmamuang
      @sayajinmamuang 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yes white krane and pushing hands

    • @matthewbaumann630
      @matthewbaumann630 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      How many forms does white crane have?

    • @SalvadorTrakal
      @SalvadorTrakal 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I know about 2, I'm sure there's more and also various styles, so there may be a lot of forms in the system

    • @lottodesire
      @lottodesire 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It comes from the bubshi. It's very well documented. Shoalin monk fist ,Yong Chun and white Crain. The documents exist. Patrick mccarthy how's written about it Extensively . Historically, Wing Chun was one set. Then broken down into 3 sets. Which started the watering down. SLT is a dead give away that it's a Qi gong based system. And also do to the Kuen kit.

    • @zoeebaron9107
      @zoeebaron9107 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yes, for me too it is fascinating. In all fairness it is all in all the same. I guess Wing Chun was a modern version of the Crane. Like Karate was a Japanese version of some Kung Fu... It is the same remodel.
      When it comes down to it we all (well nearly) got 2 arms, 2 legs and 10 fingers all over the globe, so it is not that crazy to find similar technics in other places.

  • @michaelmartinez3893
    @michaelmartinez3893 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +153

    Kevin is great. He's making me want to take a Wing Chun class. Excellent video as always Jesse 🙂.

    • @jamiearnold1711
      @jamiearnold1711 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Give it a try but bear in mind classes are often very slow paced.
      Try and find one that spars too.

    • @michaelmartinez3893
      @michaelmartinez3893 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jamiearnold1711 thanks. I did karate for 8 years. It just seems an interesting style to study to me.

    • @jamiearnold1711
      @jamiearnold1711 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@michaelmartinez3893 it's certainly a complex and interesting art. I studied Wing Chun and really enjoyed it -- I hope to return to it one day but I'm focusing on karate and other goals at the moment.

    • @michaelmartinez3893
      @michaelmartinez3893 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jamiearnold1711 Cool. What style of karate?

    • @jamiearnold1711
      @jamiearnold1711 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@michaelmartinez3893 Shotokan

  • @darkarts_grappling
    @darkarts_grappling 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Dang Kevin... this is by far, one of the best videos on application I've ever seen. Great job!

  • @dasnegotiator
    @dasnegotiator 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Keep these videos coming. That was one of the best breakdowns of nihanchi I’ve ever seen. I love that you demonstrated that it’s the artist not the art. No egos. We are truly one family.

  • @ryansmith-on5im
    @ryansmith-on5im 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    I’ve done traditional style Kung Fu and Wing Chun for over 25yrs. What I’ve learned from my masters is that there is really only so many “right ways” to move the human body. So basically all the really good martial arts share the same or very similar techniques just with there own flair.
    Great videos. Keep up the good work!!!!

  • @waynestarkey756
    @waynestarkey756 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Its so great to see a respectful conversation and exchange of knowledge between two people from different paths and styles meet.

  • @SamuelBarrPhotography
    @SamuelBarrPhotography 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was awesome! So good to see you both exchanging ideas and sharing. Yes, we want to see more of these types of videos.

  • @Foggen
    @Foggen 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Between this and the Savate video, Jesse is really doing an anthropological study of the history of Karate, in a way only a dedicated practitioner could.

  • @MartialArtsGamer
    @MartialArtsGamer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    My sensei teaches me wing Chun as well as Karate. I see the connection. Great stuff Jesse. I’ll have to show him this video.

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Wonderful!!

    • @krishnakamble9698
      @krishnakamble9698 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Which one do you prefer?

    • @MartialArtsGamer
      @MartialArtsGamer 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@krishnakamble9698 Both traditional Karate and Wing Chun have good application of technique. They’re both interchangeable, but I will say in some ways Wing Chun is a little bit easier.
      Still I enjoy both Martial arts.

    • @AndroidSamsung-qz9pl
      @AndroidSamsung-qz9pl 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KARATEbyJesse is there a Karate version of the Wing Chun chain punch?

  • @ShaneTheViking
    @ShaneTheViking 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    listening to you two geek out put a smile on my face.

  • @SVTCO
    @SVTCO หลายเดือนก่อน

    This have me lots of insights into the evolution of styles and shows the similarities of the fundamental principles which are the keys of each style. Thank you for this!

  • @Elemental19001
    @Elemental19001 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

    I grew up doing taekwondo, essentially Korean karate, and then did Moy Yat Ving Tsun (wing chun) for about 4 to 5 years. The more I watch Jessie explore the roots of karate and meet with other teachers of other styles the more I see the relationship between Wing Chun and karate, particularly the Okinawan variations Jesse has shown

    • @georgefoley9793
      @georgefoley9793 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Goju-Ryu style of Okinawan Karate shares a lot with Wing Chun and Fujian White Crane Kung Fu. I have trained several years in Ip-Man / Wong Shun Leung lineage of WC, and I currently train in Goju-Ryu because it is very similar in body mechanics, stances, and redirecting open hand movements.

    • @Elemental19001
      @Elemental19001 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@georgefoley9793 I have wanted to study goju-ryu for a very long time but there are no schools in my area that are close enough to travel to. Live just outside of Philadelphia currently

    • @georgefoley9793
      @georgefoley9793 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Elemental19001 If you travel to Southern California, there are several good dojos here.

    • @BigBadJohn7
      @BigBadJohn7 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Elemental19001Same here. Western PA is full of Tang Soo Do, Taekwon Do, and Hapkido schools. Not much of the Okinawan arts available.

    • @Elemental19001
      @Elemental19001 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BigBadJohn7 there might be some in Philadelphia but I cannot travel that far right now. I know there used to be a Uechi Ryu school not too far into Philadelphia though

  • @marcusgottlieb2307
    @marcusgottlieb2307 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    To witness a sincere, ego free exchange of knowledge is such a fresh breath of air. Thank you for reminding us what curiosity open mindness, and willingness to listen looks like. Well done gentlemen!

  • @Y0uGuysAreTh3RealHer0es
    @Y0uGuysAreTh3RealHer0es 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the exchange of knowledge. Kudos to both.

  • @marthascargill5234
    @marthascargill5234 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this was great! i'd love more teamups from you two! the sincere but also fun move set testing was very wholesome

  • @blockmasterscott
    @blockmasterscott 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Man, I love Tekki Shodan, one of my favorite forms.

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      You’re not alone! 👍

  • @Kal-El_was_taken
    @Kal-El_was_taken 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    Woah; my Shi-Han literally just taught me the beginning of this Kata tonight - its not in our Goju-Ryu syllabus but its so different than anything I’d done up until now over these last few years. Love the wavelength you’re on Jesse - keep inspiring🥋

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Glad to hear it resonates! 🙏

    • @hotlanta35
      @hotlanta35 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There are 3 naihanchi katas

    • @abrahamlincoln6201
      @abrahamlincoln6201 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@perfectsplit5515I study isshin ryu too but from what I learned it was mostly just goju ryu,shorin ryu, and motobu kenpo and weopons from Taira Shinken idk bout pure kung fu though maybe though maybe

    • @kevionrogers2605
      @kevionrogers2605 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@hotlanta35 it depends on the lineage the 2nd & 3rd were created by Itosu, so only the lineages that descend from him have three. Similarly with Pinan 1 to 5. Originally they were created as a series of introductory forms by Itosu, but depending on when you learn them & from whom they evolved into several varieties. Chomo Hanashiro only learned the first when it was developed. The others came several years later, so if you learn from his lineage they only teach Pinan Shodan.

    • @abrahamlincoln6201
      @abrahamlincoln6201 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kevionrogers2605 I'm not sure if it's true but I would like to share that it's said that hiagonna kanryo knew a nahanchi with open hands

  • @cdouglashall
    @cdouglashall 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Mr Enkamp, you are an asset to humanity, sir. I could write an essay, but thank you for everything. 🙏🏼

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you kindly 🙏

  • @justinwilson3653
    @justinwilson3653 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This a amazing! Everything is connected thank you for making this connection and taking the time to talk and film it.

  • @OPGuitarandGames
    @OPGuitarandGames 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I am preparing my black belt exam and this is a kata that I need to perform. So cool to see this variation and the application of it. Great learning !

  • @MartialArtsCalisthenicsOutdoor
    @MartialArtsCalisthenicsOutdoor 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I practiced GojuRyu Karate in the IOGKF for many years and then 8,5 Years ago I switched to WingTsun.
    And the more I learn in WingTsun the better I understand what I did in Karate but more important why I did this way in Karate.
    And in the 12 GojuRyu Katas the one that is closest to WingTsun is Tensho and it's cause of where it comes from.... The white crane.

    • @georgefoley9793
      @georgefoley9793 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I practiced Wing Chun (Ip-Man / Wong Shun Leung lineage) for several years, and I now practice Goju-Ryu. Both styles complement each other so well, and the more I learn Goju-Ryu, the more it feels like WC.

    • @RoyalFizzbin
      @RoyalFizzbin 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Goju-Ryu is what I grew up doing. I tried SOUTHERN mantis, and it was so, so, much like wing chun; all three arts share this close, “step in” focus. If you can find a good Southern Mantis instructor (anyone reading this), you will learn to play in that wing chun space for sure. Note however that NORTHERN mantis is a totally different art that likes to go from a distance.

  • @MichaelHarto
    @MichaelHarto 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I forgot how much i enjoy jesse's video. I'm back home jesse.

  • @hafizulhakim7179
    @hafizulhakim7179 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    love seeing the excitement in his eyes and explanations

  • @rahulsubramanian6545
    @rahulsubramanian6545 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Jesse's approach towards videos is "quality over quantity".

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s my way of life 💪

  • @matthewlakes7780
    @matthewlakes7780 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    I am not a martial artist, but I like cultural studies. Your videos are centered in this way, which is really interesting and fun.
    Thanks man! Good work. Subscribed.

    • @nicholasgreen339
      @nicholasgreen339 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's an interesting view point you have 😊

  • @trainingnotes4793
    @trainingnotes4793 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was so freaking educational. You guys are two masters. Well done! And Thank you!

  • @iisan1
    @iisan1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the passion between these two.... man its so interesting to watch

  • @simkoning4648
    @simkoning4648 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    I used to practice Wing Chun and Hung Gar, both of which are related to other southern styles like White Crane. I think karate is more closely related to "southern Shaolin" styles than southern Shaolin styles are to northern styles like Longfist, which is what you most often see in modern wushu and Shaolin.

    • @forestsnow6508
      @forestsnow6508 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sounds like Albuquerque 🙏

    • @houseofaction
      @houseofaction 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      the parent style of karate is fujian white crane.
      the parent style of fujian white crane is Nanquan
      the parent style of wing chun is also Nanquan
      so its like this
      Nanquan
      Wing Chun Fujian White crane
      karate
      Jeet Kune Do

  • @martialgeeks
    @martialgeeks 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Wing chun's been making a comeback....almost tears me up 🥲 thank you Jesse & Kevin 💪🙏🔥😎

  • @kunedoman
    @kunedoman 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One of your top videos Jesse, hope you have Kevin back for more comparative discussions!

  • @mxracer158
    @mxracer158 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's great to see two sharing and comparing with an open mind for the other

  • @belangp
    @belangp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    This was a wonderful video. I've practiced kung fu for a little over 40 years and every time I have an interaction like this with someone who has a similar level of experience in another system it opens my eyes to new ways of interpreting movements in my forms. Great respect to you, Jesse, from a martial arts brother in Buffalo, New York!

  • @carl_perry
    @carl_perry 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    This is just a general statement to your content and over the last four years I have truly enjoyed everything you’ve posted. I especially enjoy all the collaborations you’ve done with others in the martial arts community. Showing that one style isn’t necessarily better than any other. For that thank you. 🙏

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Thanks for your kind words! 🙏 Just doing what I love 😁

  • @benjudd3486
    @benjudd3486 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great to see all the things I’ve learned be explained by both people. It’s just all one art.

  • @GreenGrid
    @GreenGrid หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awsome upload! Thank you both for sharring this golden knowledge.

  • @themartialdao
    @themartialdao 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    As someone coming from Wing Chun myself, I noticed some massive similarities between the Chum Kiu and Goju Ryu's Kururunfa while I was training in Okinawa. One of the coolest things I noticed was that literally all of the karate hand movements I was shown over the year I was there were contained within the Sil Lim Tao form if you knew where to look!
    I wonder if these similarities are because both styles came from Southern Shaolin?

    • @markherron3067
      @markherron3067 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ask the Shaolin temple and they'll tell you there never was an official southern Shaolin.jessie did a really cool series visiting Fujian province in China with the fella at Monkey Steals Peach. Very much recommended if you're into "origin stories"

    • @themartialdao
      @themartialdao 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've actually already seen it! Great set of videos! I'm not so much into "origin stories", but rather the history of things, so I love to theorize about this stuff. I actually wrote a research paper on the history of Karate while I was studying in Okinawa, though it's in Japanese, not English. @@markherron3067

    • @markherron3067
      @markherron3067 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@achtungbaby2009 Wu Zu comes from Tai Zu Quan, and that's not a Shaolin art, it's from southern China (as far as I know).

  • @davidmedeiros7572
    @davidmedeiros7572 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Love this! I've always heard my from wing chun instructors that there was a direct connection between wc and older forms of karate. Some of this is probably just that certain movements are logical in any martial art, but a lot of it looks like a shared lineage as well. You guys are great together BTW, more of this please.

    • @lee9576
      @lee9576 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Definitely shares lineage to White Crane

  • @jonlava173
    @jonlava173 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These guys are so enthusiastic it’s entertaining

  • @twins1133
    @twins1133 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This has been great, learning the application and body mechanics really help me figure out why we do certain moves the way we do

  • @hawkgirl0912
    @hawkgirl0912 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It's 8:30 am and I'm drinking my morning coffee.☕️ I thought I subscribed to Kevin Lee's channel, but I hadn't!😢 Gonna remedy that! Jesse, I can tell you're mentally absorbing everything being said! You're going to be a lethal weapon in USDC 2!😂

  • @kingeditz2740
    @kingeditz2740 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Awesome! It’s amazing how karate takes techniques from different martial arts.

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It really is! 🤩

  • @timoloef
    @timoloef 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you Jesse, this is the most informative video on karate that I've seen in a while. All karate teaches should watch it!
    By the way, lots of karate teachers say you should only make a fist at the last one or two inches right before hitting someone ... and keep the hands relaxed until that point. And the way the Wing Chun master "chopped" the attack is exactly how we practiced shoto uke

  • @eliaslugo9290
    @eliaslugo9290 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is awesome more discussion like this it's needed!! ✨

  • @theelementalmonster4121
    @theelementalmonster4121 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    Also listening to the final conversation that you had with Kevin, it does bring us back to the point that whatever martial art it is, basic biomechanic principles do still exist and still apply, which is why ive always laughed when people think that one art is better than another, because at its core, all martial arts just simply use your body mechanics as leverage. As long as we understand the application that's what matters!

  • @Vincentorix
    @Vincentorix 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    It’s neat to see that Karate, which came from Okinawa, has its roots in different KungFu techniques. We can look to other martial arts for the bunkai of our katas.

  • @Alivefrom45
    @Alivefrom45 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have watch loads of video on martial arts over the years on TH-cam. Having studied for over 21 years in many different styles, two of which being Shotokan Karate and Wing Chun. This video real jumped out at me and I can say this is one the best video i have watched around any martial arts. Well done, you got my Sub 🤜

  • @alexandermcfadyen3295
    @alexandermcfadyen3295 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    VERY interesting video guys! Really enjoyed this video, especially how Jesse demonstrated such a perfectly executed Okinawan Karate form and how Kevin was able to perfectly disect the form by Jesse and execute its principles as Wing Chun applications. It just goes too show our martial arts traditions have the same goals and it’s really great too see two different style practitioners, coming together and exchanging techniques in such a friendly manner. Great for the martial arts communities guys, very good show, we all learned some really valuable skills!

  • @davidschultz5874
    @davidschultz5874 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I love how curious you remain and always open to new understanding of an art you've been involved in for most of your life. You're so fun to watch.

  • @jamestan4165
    @jamestan4165 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    I loved this Jesse and would love to see you explore your karate more through more style comparisons. Fascinating stuff. I'm teaching taiji to a group of karate sensei right now and every lesson one of them yells "It's just like what we do!". Thanks for posting this (and Taiwan would be worth a trip for you I think!)

  • @josephchen3493
    @josephchen3493 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wonderful demo video. A friendly, non-bias discussion of different style of martial arts. Rare to see.

  • @johngustafson7490
    @johngustafson7490 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hugs to Kevin, thanks for the training in the past!

  • @Easy_Tea6363
    @Easy_Tea6363 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I've been thinking this exact thing for the last couple months!!!! This is insane to see! Thank you for doing these , it's amazing how things have changed, back in the day we would have to travel to China to find these things like the old masters, now I can do it while eating my breakfast

  • @MrEcomusic
    @MrEcomusic 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    thanks Jesse for this video. It really opened up a hole universe regarding Naihanchi´s application and possible meaning

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Very glad to hear 😇

  • @Sword420
    @Sword420 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What a fantastic exchange of knowledge. This was beautiful to watch.

  • @garywilliams1839
    @garywilliams1839 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a Wado student of many years, this video felt very natural and made so much sense.
    Thank you.

  • @nevilleharris4466
    @nevilleharris4466 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I used to train in Wing Chun back in the 1990s, but I've been using Naihanchi Shodan (and Sanchin) as the core of my own training, for the past five years or so. So I find this video brilliant and fascinating!

  • @tolkelas
    @tolkelas 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I've been waiting a long time for a video of Jesse talking about Wing Chun as, being a Wing Chun practitioner myself and having practiced karate, I've come to see a good amount of similarities between the two arts.
    Thank you so much Jesse and Kevin. It'd be great to have a more in depth video comparing Wing Chun with Karate.

  • @neloxcampo8140
    @neloxcampo8140 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for demystifying and renew my love for martial arts

  • @mikesrandomchannel
    @mikesrandomchannel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I REALLY like the final point on focus and concentration, so applicable in martial arts! ❤

  • @chrisdunnettmusic
    @chrisdunnettmusic 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    WOW! This video was quite monumental for me. As a Nidan in Shorin Ryu I had learned Nainchi Shodan as I think my 3rd Kata and just recently have been working on it a bit again. I had gotten away from my Okinawan Karate and been focusing on the same blended Arts that Sifu Lee trains in (Kali, JKD, Silat, Wing Chin). Sifu Lee is awesome...was with him 2 months ago. This is very interesting the correlation between Okinawan Karate and Wing Chun here and I can definitely see the crossover now. I will be revisiting all my Katas now LOL. Realy really dug this one!
    On a side note I am very curious as to how this came about since I have been following Jesse and known Kevin for a few years now...how did the paths cross? Was this shot in Atlanta?

  • @glauciogonzales
    @glauciogonzales 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    This is one of the reasons why I love this channel! Wonderful class showing the Chinese origins of the kata I learned as Tekki Shodan! And it's great to see both experts learning together from each other.

  • @RenzoCapone
    @RenzoCapone 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    your excitement here is contagious

  • @kaironconqueror5817
    @kaironconqueror5817 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As far as application and comparison this has been the best matchup of skills and training of 2 disciplines I've seen so far.

  • @raydrexler5868
    @raydrexler5868 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Awesome collaboration guys, I trained karate for years before I started Wing Chun and JKD and I immediately saw the same similarities! I’m so happy to see that I wasn’t alone in my observation. The glee with which you born approach the subject makes me so happy. Thank you, and be safe

  • @raphaelnavarrette8156
    @raphaelnavarrette8156 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Finally someone that understands applications of Wing Chun.

  • @aarons3014
    @aarons3014 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This video was amazing. Naihonchi was my favorite kata as a kid because it was short and easy to learn. And now it looks like a key to the history of martial arts.

  • @barrygeistwhite3474
    @barrygeistwhite3474 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't know shit about martial arts, but I love watching nerds talk to each other about their interests and this is that exact energy :D

  • @kpitman1990
    @kpitman1990 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I’ve been waiting for this subject to appear on your channel for so long, I’m so happy! I’ve been practicing Wing Chun now for almost 10 years and I was happy to hear about the things Kevin was mentioning and saying! This reminds me so much of one of the concepts you have mentioned before on your channel, I think maybe even when you were experimenting with Kevin before! You said, “No matter where you start around the base of the mountain, all paths journey towards the peak.” That mindset is one of the things that your channel has taught me that has made such a huge impact on my training. Eventually, martial concepts start overlapping and techniques start performing the same with slightly different adaptations. It’s a beautiful thing!

  • @Gastonicus
    @Gastonicus 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Once I saw Ohtsuka the second in a Wado-Ryu seminar. His movements were not rigid karate but looked more like something that looked like Win Chun. He also always stated that there was something deep about the Naihanchi Kata.

  • @davidmiller4078
    @davidmiller4078 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well done you two your both martail art nerds in the best sense of the word Great stuff

  • @Cicero642
    @Cicero642 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another great video .. excellent demonstration of similar movements in Wing Chun and Karate and their underlying principles.

  • @jty1999
    @jty1999 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I've already begun incorporating that karate foot check you showed off with Kevin a while ago in MMA and it always catches my more Muay Thai focused peers off guard when they throw leg kicks. I'm hoping I can learn Wing Chun hand trapping for the boxing side of things but it's harder with 1) 16 oz gloves and 2) the fact that boxers are taught to always retract their hands after throwing punches. Thanks for showing us cool stuff like this Jesse.

  • @m.asmaro6855
    @m.asmaro6855 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you guys for this masterclass ❤

  • @licustoms
    @licustoms หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've never studied Wing Chun but this was quite eye opening to the similarities of the styles! Thank you for sharing. 🙏🏻

  • @cringusmoss9937
    @cringusmoss9937 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This is so funny. I was just watching the video you did with sensei Seth with my daughter and we both said "that looks and sounds like wing chun!"
    Knowing you were teaching him self defense we thought it seemed obvious it's a different beast than sport karate.
    Even though many traditional kata remain the interpretations by modern practitioners are still made through a lens of either A enthusiasts or B sport practitioners. So few people who focus on self defense actually pressure test to make it useful.
    Seeing you learn new applications for knowledge that you have obviously spent so much time and effort to perfect is inspiring.

  • @eagleclawja1
    @eagleclawja1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Great video. This video shows how our world of martial arts is closely linked. I like Jessie's enthusiasm when he finds something similar. We all should be sharing this way.

  • @fmj_79
    @fmj_79 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow, this one is a masterpiece. Thanks, Jesse

  • @Elemental19001
    @Elemental19001 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Jesse. I just wanted to say thank you. I studied Tae Kwon Do as a child, Wing Chun in my late 20s and now, in no small part due to your videos, I just started studying with a sensei who teaches a combination of Goju-ryu and Seidokan karate. I just learned the first to Kata and I'm only had two classes so far but I am absolutely loving it. Thank you for the inspiration

  • @RoseKB22
    @RoseKB22 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is so cool! The similarities are amazing! I studied Taekwondo for about 5 or so years, but then moved to a different place and wasn't able to continue under the same instructors. My teachers teach Karate, Taekwondo, and Modern Arnis. Now that I'm in a new place I have been interested in joining another school but I can't really afford it right now. I'd love to study Wing Chun though too. I got to spar with a Wing Chun student once, and it was one of the most memorable learning experiences I've had in martial arts.

  • @obiwanquixote8423
    @obiwanquixote8423 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Kevin is my favorite Wing Chun guy on TH-cam. But what I love the most is that it's just two guys who love martial arts just nerding out about talking shop.

  • @JosephelLeon
    @JosephelLeon 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Outstanding video! Great comparison, thanks.

  • @michaelteter
    @michaelteter 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Considering physics and mechanics of two body movements is really what it's all about. This is great content.

  • @wmlamptracker
    @wmlamptracker 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    This was absolutely fascinating to watch. I've really enjoyed your videos as well as Kevin's. It's so cool to see experts breaking down things so well AND collaborating like this. Cheers!