He is right. Most people do not know the difference between real fighing vs sparring, sport fighting. etc. In real life you do not disengage, or dance around, or seek to go to the ground. Wing Chun was not designed for sport, or sparring. It was designed to engage, and destroy immediately.
Wing chun works best when: 1. You are very close- fist should be close enought to hit the head. 2. You are constantly moving forward. 3. Your hands and arms are toughened by hitting stones/sand wooden man. 4. You surprise the enemy.
@@fermingarza6357 Evidence? The evidence is in my own body and it’s been applied repeatedly onto the body of others. And we can observe it in videos of violent street altercations and see glimpses of it within sport combat contests too. Furthermore, the more I study almost every top self defense instructor the more their stuff aligns with good physics and human geometry which pairs wonderfully with solid Wing Chun. It’s funny because a lot of these former military and LEO instructors end up teaching basic Wing Chun and they don’t even realize they are. Further evidence for me has been the stories of my Sifu’s real life fights (one of which used his Wing Chun while serving time in prison).
I love Wing Chun. I have been training it for 11 years now. I have used it for self defense. Pressure testing so many times with my BJJ, Karate guys and Boxers friends. What I have come to learned, is that you have to learn to adopt to make your style, skills and whatever is you are doing in life to work. Love this video
@@christiancreasy5268 Yes. WC can and does work especially once the practitioner has several years invested (has actual kung fu). Pressure testing is always important for success in any art or style. Wing Chun principles are just sound fight physics and proper geometry and are brilliant when applied to every style
Finally! Someone who understood how Wing Chun is a standing grappling art perfect to enter the guard and close the gap between stand up and ground work
Well said! Wing Chun works when you don't use it like you're trying to look like a kung fu cinema movie. It's really knowing how to apply those base structures from any position in close and release devasting power. Done right it's pretty brutal and ugly, but it gets the job done quickly.
Great stuff...🙂Subscribed. I didn't train past Sil Lim Tao, but still relate to the point in this video. It was very well explained and demonstrated....cheers from Australia.
WC is not for self defense or sport arena IMO. It is too direct in terms of aiming for absolute maximum damage with least effort, so it is extremely hard to use as self defense like Jiu Jitsu, Aikido, or BJJ. It is literally bring an nuke to a bar shootout. You're going to have a hard time explaining why a guy is permanently blind or in a coma or dead in court because he grabbed your wrist and pulled you. I don't know what WC people are training that think this statement is exaggerated...but in our school... any sensation of attack whether by wrist grab or tackle is immediately met with soft target attacks first, then ligament and joint destruction, separating the knee joint fro the lower leg etc... eye, throat biu jee ...etc. A system developed by a small female does not play around with any notion of sport or badassery peacocking posturing against any opponent. It cannot afford to do such things as they are inefficient and also useless. I come from a background of MT and BJJ now settled on WC since 2002.
@@craneandcobraclosecombat Let me clarify... it is not civilized self defense like a grappling art or anything aiming to not to permanently maim or kill people. It's overkill for most situations. It is more suited to warfare at the most desperate no way out phase hand to hand. Even against Muay Thai or an MMA person wanting to spar with a proper WC person, it is not suited for such things... that is why it has Chi Sau for safe laboratory conditions as close to fighting as possible without resorting to the actual brutal hands of WC with its soft target focus. In Germany, if I had used actual full on WC on an unknowing wanna be bully, I would have been put in prison and made to pay for that attacker's medical bills. There is a threshold after which the courts will say it is excessive force on my part. And basically, every session I practice is based on no nonsense as fast and destructive as possible with the least exertion techniques. For example, we do not practice kicking any specific area to stun or distract an opponent, like you can see with JKD setup attacks. We train to sense the penetration of the hand distance and leg distance at our most stable range with those weapons...and when we sense the person inside that domain, for example he manages to enter into the most stable spot for me and the leg range, I do not kick his shin(s) per say, I only place my inner arch of the attacking foot in position such that his continuous advancement will result in contact with his shin lightly at first, and quickly building up connection from his skin to fascia layer, to muscle and finally to his core bone structure. Once the core is reached, I project my intention thru my foot arch now in high pressure contact with his shin area and my foot becomes a big ice cream scoop that scrapes all the sway to the core of his bone and this results in the scraping down of all the sinew, fascia and muscles that are connected to his shin. The more he comes into me, the more effective and tighter the scrap becomes. Once the tissues are separated from the bone, the opponent won't be able to stand and will require major surgery to address that life changing injury. In my former years training in MT, TKD and Goshin Jitsu, we practiced kicking the shin to either try to stop or distract the person... That never worked very well for me. So for over a decade I have cultivated the scraping tissue from bone method designed for absolute permanent disablement of attackers in every single situation. At my work place, sometimes people come up to me and ask "what if" situations. I patiently show then the old civilized police/chin na methods and then I follow up with the most practical and absolute method. For example I would show how to escape a hand grab, then the same grab, i show how to use joint locks to immobilize, then the last example I show the WC way I practice: guy grabs my wrist, and immediately feels fingers right on his eyelids about to penetrate the surface of the eye lens...and the person instantly recoils. Totally unaware of the instantaneousness of the reaction. Then I explain that the last technique is what I would do in reality and in this example, I had to focus very hard to remember that this is not a real attacker but just a demo. So for many interested people who ask me about self defense training, I show them the different levels and styles, and ask them if they want to be civil or are they interested in the quickest most un-nice and brutal way possible that aims to kill or maim their attackers. Then it's up to them to choose.
That is a good point to make at the end of the video; the Wing Chun trapping distance, although you may not have the skill to use trapping, many believe it is impossible to use against a skilled fighter, the range does have the unique thing about it that you have access to all types of strikes: low kicks, some high kicks, hooks, uppercuts, elbows, chops, head butting, all without having to change your distancing by stepping forward or back significantly, with other fighting styles you have to work harder to maintain the right range for any given type of strike, say a combination with a front kick, jab and cross - you won’t land the jab and cross unless you step forward, whereas when in the favoured Wing Chun range you can fire a barrage of punches, finger strikes, chops, knees, elbows, low kicks and even head butt in quick succession without having to take a single step forward or back Also in range to grapple or tackle an armed attacker; the worst place to be is standing at striking range of a weapon attack because you simply have no chance of disarming or counter attacking, in the case of a firearm you want to be extremely close or extremely far away or else you are in deep shit
I agree with your views on Wing chun. To with a real-life fight, you must have real-life training. I believe the practitioner should do some random real-life attack and defend drills. An attacker will not give you a heads up On attacking you. There are those who would disagree. However, when you randomly get attacked and your ass gets handed to you, you'll wish you were more prepared. Thank you for sharing 😌 🫸🤛
@@mattnobrega6621 Yes! And although preparedness and situational awareness are actually THE most important in self defense situations because they are the most boring they are sort of overlooked. As for me and the Crane & Cobra way we try to always be prepared and we train many different ways both sport and trad. martial arts and in the way of self defense for nasty real world unfair assaults.
Wing Chun makes the most sense after you get to the weapons. It no longer becomes limited to close quarters it, fully feels kung fu-ey. It is the practical application of your structure, shifts, & basic footwork. Even elbow distance, stops u from cutting yourself with the knives. If a guy is standing in ma with a tan Sau up, facing a MMA guy & he gets dumped on his head. He is a rookie who has a little idea of the style.
Wing chun is excellent at close range if you exclusively target vital points, which mostly excludes using fists. But most of the closed fist strikes from wing chun lack stopping power, a point JKD I think addresses better at long range.
@@mmurmurjohnson2368 Yeah, power in WC is developed steadily over time by utilizing torque, the joints and spine, and “borrowing” force from one’s assailant. Hitting those vital spots, as you said, are critical in self defense (and illegal in mma). JKD (which I also study) does blend boxing and kickboxing into WC but it has a little less secure stance imo. WC stance is more defensive with the weight on the rear leg in order to snap out quick front kick and or lift to defend. JKD stance is often distributing the weight near 50/50 and if the JKD practitioner is quick it won’t matter but if they are slow the 50/50 may cause a slight delay because they have to shift weight to one leg or the other before moving their body forward or back. Bruce was like lightning so it didn’t matter.
Wing Chun is simple and direct. Simple does not mean easy. First of all Wing Chun is not a mainstream art, so it's not for everyone. Secondly it's certainly not for people that won't do the work. Most people today want something that is easy and they wants results yesterday. Wing Chun is a thinking mans art, and most students want to leave their brain at home and just get a good workout. You don't get results like that with Wing Chun. Most young people today also lacks discipline, which is kind of the opposite of instant gratification. Discipline is doing something now, that will benefit you later. They don't have the patience for that. There a too many distractions today, internet, Netflix, gaming. You don't get good at Wing Chun only doing/thinking about it twice a week. And you never really learn the system if you mix it with diverging principles from other arts. Not only ranting about students, here is something for the teachers. A lot of teachers today don't want to create thinkers, they want followers. So their entire approach to teaching is counter productive. A lot of teachers today don't know the difference between a principle and a technique. Both of these things are weakening Wing Chun.
@ Allegedly, Yes, but that’s when compared to other styles of Kung Fu. But nowadays if someone wants a faster result Western boxing, Muay Thai, Judo, BJJ, or Wrestling would be better for fighting Sooner. All those arts get one going faster than any kung fu style…but here’s the thing, almost all the locks in BJJ, for example, are also in Wing Chun. All the strikes in boxing are also in Wing Chun and WC has even more…etc etc. People that mock Kung Fu while uplifting another younger art like BJJ are akin to someone that learned to fight from their father but then mock their grandfather, even though the grandfather taught their father how to fight.
@ But as far as Wing Chun 5 main principles go…if one can grasp and apply them it’s terrific for self defense and fighting. In that way it could be said to be learned quickly
I like wing chun because it is very complete. If you are fit and train regularly then you should be able to handle just about anything short of people who fight for a living. Trolls love to go with the do that against a UFC fighter line. Truth is that it does not matter what martial arts you practice, if you are training as an amateur and you face a professional you can just about guarantee that you will lose.
@@stevemeisternomic Yes. And most never draw the very real distinction between Sport vs Real life or death self defense. There IS a difference in training and in application. Wing Chun is incredibly well thought out with proper physics and geometry. Great stuff
Wing Chun is a form of corridor boxing. It's for fighting in confined spaces. Like between your car door and the car. Or a hallway. Or if you are fighting in a line with 100 people on your left or right. If you are out in the open you would use an art like PA Kua to avoid head on collisions. .
Wing Chun is also one of the few styles you can use walking on ice; I have tried Wing Chun movements on icy pavements without slipping on my ass, but when I tried boxing jab, cross and hook I slipped on ice very easily, this is surprising but I understand why that is so In the case of high kicks and Muay Thai style kicks you can absolutely forget it if standing on an icy pavement - you will fall on your ass
@@hidoom4239 That must be different for each individual. But we should all train to meet asocial violence imo and train for sport combat too because of the many benefits
@@ifoundthistoday WC has power but it takes years to learn. I agree many end on ground because someone is knocked out (other than that the idea “most fights go to the ground” has been debunked and yet is constantly repeated because if you ask LEO then it’s usually true but that’s because they are attempting to restrain and arrest not just violently end an altercation) many learning WC don’t use their razing attacks and forward intention and imbalancing their attacker enough imo this then allows their attacker time to wind up and strike
@@VicNorth2023 And if the person actually knows what they’re doing it works against many other arts too because the 5 principles are universal and align with proper physics and all humans move the same way.
@@craneandcobraclosecombat Imposing restrictions on a style can and does limit the style. A circle will beat a linear move AND a linear move will beat a circle. Ducking and weaving are absent. A lot of Wing Chun training is practicing with Wing Chun opponents. From a street capability standpoint the chances of being up against another Wing Chun practitioner are remote!
@@VicNorth2023 After the Biu Jee level is learned there are no “restrictions” imo. My main Wing Chun Sifu (Grandmaster Jody Hill) taught us that when we perform the big circling arm movements and the bend over and touch the floor part, in addition to fighting applications, it also signals that anything goes if or when necessary within that space - meaning we can duck or bend over or extend our arms way out, etc! As I said, genuine Wing Chun has universally brilliant fight concepts and those 5 amazing principles mixed with wise and speedy physics and movements that can work well on the ground grappling, or fighting against a boxer (although large gloves are a disadvantage) or against other styles although, traditionally, it is a self defense and Not a combat Sport.
I think martial arts is about training the body to react and specifically to any sort of situation or attack. Martial sports have an objective to entertain real combat may be very quick and not so entertaining.
Everything you said about a boxer on the speed bag being the same as a wing chun practitioner doing forms, is the same as watching a live mma match with rules and a ref. There are at least 3 reasons to do mma, and no excuse not to since at least 2014 as you can easily find any school of any skill level. 1st is that you will obviously get beaten by the 'sport', and they'll let you do whatever you want since they'll be able to do it too if you're agreeing to rules. 2nd, which leads into the 3rd, is once you learn mma, why would you do anything else? 3rd, which will let you answer the 2nd, is because of your experience with and control of the variables that determine the fight to begin with, you can choose, accurately or stylistically, what to do in the moment instead of having it forced upon you against the wrong or lacking skill set.
@@SquaredbyX There are many, many differences between learning traditional martial arts, sport combat like mma, or self defense against asocial violence. If one cannot understand the differences they are usually blinded by sport.
Only reacting on the question raised in the title, it is simple as that, Unfortunately, self defence is often considered as a one-sided issue based on preparadeness, training, etc, but without showing the potential opponent. In real life, however, any would-be practitioner of martial arts should take a look into the mirror and only then decide on the style of the martial art to suit his or her needs. Luckily the styles follow a style based on human body structures or anyimals somehow closing to the persons bosddy and also behaviour, say a heavy strong but passive cannot start with a snake or crane style. , instead a tiger or bear could be more appropriate to begin with. With enough practice our "bear-type" practitioner may take on ability to adopt some abilities from other styles, , but Wing Tsun has been designed to people with susbtle yet adaptive body structure, but taking the risk of facing the opponent at close range! Ultimately, time will favour the dilligent and determined individuals. Paul,69, former instructor of Karate
@@glennrobinson7193 ?? The forms, like any good training, are to discipline the body, stretch and strengthen the body, teach proper structure, and educate the practitioner into using and identifying proper shapes and in protecting one’s own centerline while attacking an assailant’s centerline and center point of balance. If a person’s cannot recognize the benefit of a form or kata that person needs more education
Most people get their WC from TH-cam, they don’t have a legit teacher and there are not that many out there. You got to be be lucky to find one.. you don’t need to get complex with moves but you need to be fast
The issues isn't the style, ita that it gets marketed as a mysterious dangerous thing. there's usually no sparring. and no physical conditioning. people learn chin qui then open a school
@@thac0twenty377 Yes, any person looking to defend themselves or looking to be prepared for a fight must condition their body and exercise and must learn to handle many different sizes of people and pressures. This is why our motto is Train like an athlete - Fight like a criminal! Real kung fu means excellent skill that’s acquired after many years of hard work…unfortunately some schools do Not put in the work.
I want to chat with you on my perspective of self defense, sport fighting and the benefits Wing Chun offers vs the lies WC believes. Stop saying thousands of years ago are your proof. Its like saying the rotary phone was the original so its better than the Iphone. Grow up, stop talking crap. Lets talk the real benefit and the real faults. If you only train one style you are a traditonalist. If you are a kata guy, or a point fighter, cmon. Every evolution changes self defense. 100 years ago, how would WC defend against a AK47 or Mike Tyson? Evolve and adapt or become extinct. I love WC. just not extremists who think they can fight with obvious no experience being in a fight. I'm 55 and at least as old as you, probably with more WC background, but I understand reality and teach tactical combat. Lets do an interview and lets respect the powers WC has, but not fault its weakness against a grappler or a Muay Thai or Boxer. Chung Choi.....
@@JingShenKuoshu idk what you’re talking about(?) exactly. There are big differences between sport fighting and self defense. You mentioned a lot of “If”s …none of which really apply to me so idk. You mentioned a martial art going against an AK47 an 100 yrs ago (?) A well placed bullet beats Any martial art. So I don’t really get your point. Is it that you think mma is better for self defense?
@JingShenKuoshu. You claim to teach Tactical Combat skills as in Combat Krav Maga & not realize it incorporates many elements of WC dummy form??? Educate yourself on self defense online or attend a seminar & you will see the similarities in WC tools used. WTF!
@@MustAfaalik I’m not exactly sure of his original point, unlessbit was that WC has weaknesses. That’s fair to say but at the higher levels I don’t believe it has many weaknesses. When I learned the Biu Jee form where you bend over, touch the ground and come back up swinging your arms around and into jong sao my Sifu taught me it meant Anything Goes…meaning once you learn proper Wing Chun you could incorporate almost any technique into it during an altercation even if it “breaks the rules” of WC. Basically the Wing Chun practitioner is free to move however he wants to as long as he sticks to the concepts and the 5 main principles (Centerline, Facing, Forward Intent, Economy of Motion, & Simplicity). Those WC principles can and should be applied in every fight across any and every art
@@attritionwarrior Then you probably don’t know much about self protection or self defense. Intent to injure and cause devastating harm is a must and should be taught (especially to women) when if ever jumped/attacked in a serious situation which happens all the time all over the planet. Your comment is bs as is the idea that one’s fighting skills will become so good that they’ll just go easy on their assailants and handily resolve a violent encounter 🤦♂️ Study and learn from Tim Larkin, Rory Miller, Tony Blauer etc then get back to me
He is right. Most people do not know the difference between real fighing vs sparring, sport fighting. etc. In real life you do not disengage, or dance around, or seek to go to the ground. Wing Chun was not designed for sport, or sparring. It was designed to engage, and destroy immediately.
@@Learn-gs4ed YES! Thanks for your comment
Wing chun works best when: 1. You are very close- fist should be close enought to hit the head. 2. You are constantly moving forward. 3. Your hands and arms are toughened by hitting stones/sand wooden man. 4. You surprise the enemy.
@@justoldog YES
@@craneandcobraclosecombat thanx! I trained with Chris Chan in S.F. 1992-95
Where is your evidence?
@@craneandcobraclosecombat Where is your evidence?
@@fermingarza6357 Evidence? The evidence is in my own body and it’s been applied repeatedly onto the body of others. And we can observe it in videos of violent street altercations and see glimpses of it within sport combat contests too. Furthermore, the more I study almost every top self defense instructor the more their stuff aligns with good physics and human geometry which pairs wonderfully with solid Wing Chun. It’s funny because a lot of these former military and LEO instructors end up teaching basic Wing Chun and they don’t even realize they are. Further evidence for me has been the stories of my Sifu’s real life fights (one of which used his Wing Chun while serving time in prison).
I love Wing Chun. I have been training it for 11 years now. I have used it for self defense. Pressure testing so many times with my BJJ, Karate guys and Boxers friends.
What I have come to learned, is that you have to learn to adopt to make your style, skills and whatever is you are doing in life to work. Love this video
@@christiancreasy5268 Yes. WC can and does work especially once the practitioner has several years invested (has actual kung fu). Pressure testing is always important for success in any art or style. Wing Chun principles are just sound fight physics and proper geometry and are brilliant when applied to every style
Wing Chun hands, Muay Thai kicks, and Judo ground game works for me. The Wing Chun bridges the gap between stand up and ground too.
@@Jesuslovesamericans Yes. I call Wing Chun the closest striking art
@@craneandcobraclosecombat I have Jeet Kune Do and Panantukan mixed in so it's not traditional but very effective.
Love Judo
No offence but that mix sounds a bit confusing
Finally! Someone who understood how Wing Chun is a standing grappling art perfect to enter the guard and close the gap between stand up and ground work
Well said! Wing Chun works when you don't use it like you're trying to look like a kung fu cinema movie. It's really knowing how to apply those base structures from any position in close and release devasting power. Done right it's pretty brutal and ugly, but it gets the job done quickly.
@@dudemannxs YES! As any proper self defense and protection training ideally should work
Great stuff...🙂Subscribed. I didn't train past Sil Lim Tao, but still relate to the point in this video. It was very well explained and demonstrated....cheers from Australia.
@@germanshepherdlover2613 Thanks for your comment!
WC is not for self defense or sport arena IMO. It is too direct in terms of aiming for absolute maximum damage with least effort, so it is extremely hard to use as self defense like Jiu Jitsu, Aikido, or BJJ. It is literally bring an nuke to a bar shootout. You're going to have a hard time explaining why a guy is permanently blind or in a coma or dead in court because he grabbed your wrist and pulled you. I don't know what WC people are training that think this statement is exaggerated...but in our school... any sensation of attack whether by wrist grab or tackle is immediately met with soft target attacks first, then ligament and joint destruction, separating the knee joint fro the lower leg etc... eye, throat biu jee ...etc.
A system developed by a small female does not play around with any notion of sport or badassery peacocking posturing against any opponent. It cannot afford to do such things as they are inefficient and also useless. I come from a background of MT and BJJ now settled on WC since 2002.
@@matreyia Thanks for your comment. You said it’s Not for self defense but then described how it works great in self defense though
@@craneandcobraclosecombat Let me clarify... it is not civilized self defense like a grappling art or anything aiming to not to permanently maim or kill people. It's overkill for most situations. It is more suited to warfare at the most desperate no way out phase hand to hand. Even against Muay Thai or an MMA person wanting to spar with a proper WC person, it is not suited for such things... that is why it has Chi Sau for safe laboratory conditions as close to fighting as possible without resorting to the actual brutal hands of WC with its soft target focus.
In Germany, if I had used actual full on WC on an unknowing wanna be bully, I would have been put in prison and made to pay for that attacker's medical bills. There is a threshold after which the courts will say it is excessive force on my part. And basically, every session I practice is based on no nonsense as fast and destructive as possible with the least exertion techniques.
For example, we do not practice kicking any specific area to stun or distract an opponent, like you can see with JKD setup attacks. We train to sense the penetration of the hand distance and leg distance at our most stable range with those weapons...and when we sense the person inside that domain, for example he manages to enter into the most stable spot for me and the leg range, I do not kick his shin(s) per say, I only place my inner arch of the attacking foot in position such that his continuous advancement will result in contact with his shin lightly at first, and quickly building up connection from his skin to fascia layer, to muscle and finally to his core bone structure. Once the core is reached, I project my intention thru my foot arch now in high pressure contact with his shin area and my foot becomes a big ice cream scoop that scrapes all the sway to the core of his bone and this results in the scraping down of all the sinew, fascia and muscles that are connected to his shin. The more he comes into me, the more effective and tighter the scrap becomes. Once the tissues are separated from the bone, the opponent won't be able to stand and will require major surgery to address that life changing injury.
In my former years training in MT, TKD and Goshin Jitsu, we practiced kicking the shin to either try to stop or distract the person... That never worked very well for me. So for over a decade I have cultivated the scraping tissue from bone method designed for absolute permanent disablement of attackers in every single situation.
At my work place, sometimes people come up to me and ask "what if" situations. I patiently show then the old civilized police/chin na methods and then I follow up with the most practical and absolute method. For example I would show how to escape a hand grab, then the same grab, i show how to use joint locks to immobilize, then the last example I show the WC way I practice: guy grabs my wrist, and immediately feels fingers right on his eyelids about to penetrate the surface of the eye lens...and the person instantly recoils. Totally unaware of the instantaneousness of the reaction. Then I explain that the last technique is what I would do in reality and in this example, I had to focus very hard to remember that this is not a real attacker but just a demo.
So for many interested people who ask me about self defense training, I show them the different levels and styles, and ask them if they want to be civil or are they interested in the quickest most un-nice and brutal way possible that aims to kill or maim their attackers. Then it's up to them to choose.
Knowledge of wrestling and takedowns is another great way to enhance your Wing Chun. As a close range art, it melds very well with Judo or Shuai Jiao.
@@RighteousBeard Yes, judo and traditional jujutsu was my first art. I think of WC sometimes almost like a standing type of judo or bjj
That is a good point to make at the end of the video; the Wing Chun trapping distance, although you may not have the skill to use trapping, many believe it is impossible to use against a skilled fighter, the range does have the unique thing about it that you have access to all types of strikes: low kicks, some high kicks, hooks, uppercuts, elbows, chops, head butting, all without having to change your distancing by stepping forward or back significantly, with other fighting styles you have to work harder to maintain the right range for any given type of strike, say a combination with a front kick, jab and cross - you won’t land the jab and cross unless you step forward, whereas when in the favoured Wing Chun range you can fire a barrage of punches, finger strikes, chops, knees, elbows, low kicks and even head butt in quick succession without having to take a single step forward or back
Also in range to grapple or tackle an armed attacker; the worst place to be is standing at striking range of a weapon attack because you simply have no chance of disarming or counter attacking, in the case of a firearm you want to be extremely close or extremely far away or else you are in deep shit
I agree with your views on Wing chun. To with a real-life fight, you must have real-life training. I believe the practitioner should do some random real-life attack and defend drills. An attacker will not give you a heads up
On attacking you. There are those who would disagree. However, when you randomly get attacked and your ass gets handed to you, you'll wish you were more prepared.
Thank you for sharing
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@@mattnobrega6621 Yes! And although preparedness and situational awareness are actually THE most important in self defense situations because they are the most boring they are sort of overlooked. As for me and the Crane & Cobra way we try to always be prepared and we train many different ways both sport and trad. martial arts and in the way of self defense for nasty real world unfair assaults.
Well said, strait to the point strategies.
@@jonathanmartinez8572 Thanks 🙏
Wing Chun makes the most sense after you get to the weapons. It no longer becomes limited to close quarters it, fully feels kung fu-ey. It is the practical application of your structure, shifts, & basic footwork. Even elbow distance, stops u from cutting yourself with the knives. If a guy is standing in ma with a tan Sau up, facing a MMA guy & he gets dumped on his head. He is a rookie who has a little idea of the style.
Wing chun is excellent at close range if you exclusively target vital points, which mostly excludes using fists. But most of the closed fist strikes from wing chun lack stopping power, a point JKD I think addresses better at long range.
@@mmurmurjohnson2368 Yeah, power in WC is developed steadily over time by utilizing torque, the joints and spine, and “borrowing” force from one’s assailant. Hitting those vital spots, as you said, are critical in self defense (and illegal in mma). JKD (which I also study) does blend boxing and kickboxing into WC but it has a little less secure stance imo. WC stance is more defensive with the weight on the rear leg in order to snap out quick front kick and or lift to defend. JKD stance is often distributing the weight near 50/50 and if the JKD practitioner is quick it won’t matter but if they are slow the 50/50 may cause a slight delay because they have to shift weight to one leg or the other before moving their body forward or back. Bruce was like lightning so it didn’t matter.
Wing Chun is simple and direct. Simple does not mean easy. First of all Wing Chun is not a mainstream art, so it's not for everyone. Secondly it's certainly not for people that won't do the work. Most people today want something that is easy and they wants results yesterday. Wing Chun is a thinking mans art, and most students want to leave their brain at home and just get a good workout. You don't get results like that with Wing Chun. Most young people today also lacks discipline, which is kind of the opposite of instant gratification. Discipline is doing something now, that will benefit you later. They don't have the patience for that. There a too many distractions today, internet, Netflix, gaming. You don't get good at Wing Chun only doing/thinking about it twice a week. And you never really learn the system if you mix it with diverging principles from other arts.
Not only ranting about students, here is something for the teachers. A lot of teachers today don't want to create thinkers, they want followers. So their entire approach to teaching is counter productive. A lot of teachers today don't know the difference between a principle and a technique. Both of these things are weakening Wing Chun.
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@@Andy-ud1gd When I was learning under Sifu Hill i’d go 4xs a week for private sessions and I’d spend at least 3 hrs at the kwoon/dojo. 🙌
Wasn't Wing Chun designed to be learned quickly?
@ Allegedly, Yes, but that’s when compared to other styles of Kung Fu. But nowadays if someone wants a faster result Western boxing, Muay Thai, Judo, BJJ, or Wrestling would be better for fighting Sooner. All those arts get one going faster than any kung fu style…but here’s the thing, almost all the locks in BJJ, for example, are also in Wing Chun. All the strikes in boxing are also in Wing Chun and WC has even more…etc etc. People that mock Kung Fu while uplifting another younger art like BJJ are akin to someone that learned to fight from their father but then mock their grandfather, even though the grandfather taught their father how to fight.
@ But as far as Wing Chun 5 main principles go…if one can grasp and apply them it’s terrific for self defense and fighting. In that way it could be said to be learned quickly
I like wing chun because it is very complete. If you are fit and train regularly then you should be able to handle just about anything short of people who fight for a living. Trolls love to go with the do that against a UFC fighter line. Truth is that it does not matter what martial arts you practice, if you are training as an amateur and you face a professional you can just about guarantee that you will lose.
@@stevemeisternomic Yes. And most never draw the very real distinction between Sport vs Real life or death self defense. There IS a difference in training and in application. Wing Chun is incredibly well thought out with proper physics and geometry. Great stuff
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keep it going
@@هيثممهيب-ث9ن Thanks. I train daily and also teach multiple times a week so I’m definitely invested.
In an orchestra there are many instruments but they all play music
@@mrvgranfield true
Wing Chun is a form of corridor boxing. It's for fighting in confined spaces. Like between your car door and the car. Or a hallway. Or if you are fighting in a line with 100 people on your left or right. If you are out in the open you would use an art like PA Kua to avoid head on collisions. .
@@mattbugg4568 true
Wing Chun is also one of the few styles you can use walking on ice; I have tried Wing Chun movements on icy pavements without slipping on my ass, but when I tried boxing jab, cross and hook I slipped on ice very easily, this is surprising but I understand why that is so
In the case of high kicks and Muay Thai style kicks you can absolutely forget it if standing on an icy pavement - you will fall on your ass
So one thing I don't understand is how many of these guys get into actual fight situations in this relatively civilized world today.
@@hidoom4239 That must be different for each individual. But we should all train to meet asocial violence imo and train for sport combat too because of the many benefits
studied wing chun but most fights finish on the ground and powerful overhand rights/left .. instant KO .. great art form but
@@ifoundthistoday WC has power but it takes years to learn. I agree many end on ground because someone is knocked out (other than that the idea “most fights go to the ground” has been debunked and yet is constantly repeated because if you ask LEO then it’s usually true but that’s because they are attempting to restrain and arrest not just violently end an altercation) many learning WC don’t use their razing attacks and forward intention and imbalancing their attacker enough imo this then allows their attacker time to wind up and strike
Wing Chun works very well against Wing Chun.
@@VicNorth2023 And if the person actually knows what they’re doing it works against many other arts too because the 5 principles are universal and align with proper physics and all humans move the same way.
@@craneandcobraclosecombat Imposing restrictions on a style can and does limit the style. A circle will beat a linear move AND a linear move will beat a circle. Ducking and weaving are absent. A lot of Wing Chun training is practicing with Wing Chun opponents. From a street capability standpoint the chances of being up against another Wing Chun practitioner are remote!
@@VicNorth2023 After the Biu Jee level is learned there are no “restrictions” imo. My main Wing Chun Sifu (Grandmaster Jody Hill) taught us that when we perform the big circling arm movements and the bend over and touch the floor part, in addition to fighting applications, it also signals that anything goes if or when necessary within that space - meaning we can duck or bend over or extend our arms way out, etc! As I said, genuine Wing Chun has universally brilliant fight concepts and those 5 amazing principles mixed with wise and speedy physics and movements that can work well on the ground grappling, or fighting against a boxer (although large gloves are a disadvantage) or against other styles although, traditionally, it is a self defense and Not a combat Sport.
@@VicNorth2023 Wing Chun is particularly effective on the streets where you can fight dirty.
I think martial arts is about training the body to react and specifically to any sort of situation or attack. Martial sports have an objective to entertain real combat may be very quick and not so entertaining.
@@larryleguizamon2906 Yes!
Everything you said about a boxer on the speed bag being the same as a wing chun practitioner doing forms, is the same as watching a live mma match with rules and a ref.
There are at least 3 reasons to do mma, and no excuse not to since at least 2014 as you can easily find any school of any skill level.
1st is that you will obviously get beaten by the 'sport', and they'll let you do whatever you want since they'll be able to do it too if you're agreeing to rules.
2nd, which leads into the 3rd, is once you learn mma, why would you do anything else?
3rd, which will let you answer the 2nd, is because of your experience with and control of the variables that determine the fight to begin with, you can choose, accurately or stylistically, what to do in the moment instead of having it forced upon you against the wrong or lacking skill set.
@@SquaredbyX There are many, many differences between learning traditional martial arts, sport combat like mma, or self defense against asocial violence. If one cannot understand the differences they are usually blinded by sport.
I still trying to find out is affecticnes becuase I don't really see it even tho I have friends and people I know practicing it
@@hotpopcorncake Seek and you will find 😉
@@craneandcobraclosecombat most chunner i run into they lack alot stuff when its come real self defense and footwork and so on.
Only reacting on the question raised in the title, it is simple as that,
Unfortunately, self defence is often considered as a one-sided issue based on preparadeness, training, etc, but without showing the potential opponent.
In real life, however, any would-be practitioner of martial arts should take a look into the mirror and only then decide on the style of the martial art to suit his or her needs.
Luckily the styles follow a style based on human body structures or anyimals somehow closing to the persons bosddy and also behaviour, say a heavy strong but passive cannot start with a snake or crane style. , instead a tiger or bear could be more appropriate to begin with.
With enough practice our "bear-type" practitioner may take on ability to adopt some abilities from other styles, , but Wing Tsun has been designed to people with susbtle yet adaptive body structure, but taking the risk of facing the opponent at close range!
Ultimately, time will favour the dilligent and determined individuals. Paul,69, former instructor of Karate
@@bajuszpal172 Thanks for commenting, Paul
Thanks man, love the energy and direction you're taking.Bio-mechanics rock! I'll definitely check your vids out.🖖🦘
@@RobSkeltz Appreciate your comment! 🙏 👊 Happy training
I agree. I couldn't make sense of Wing Chun's useless elaborate forms.
@@glennrobinson7193 ?? The forms, like any good training, are to discipline the body, stretch and strengthen the body, teach proper structure, and educate the practitioner into using and identifying proper shapes and in protecting one’s own centerline while attacking an assailant’s centerline and center point of balance. If a person’s cannot recognize the benefit of a form or kata that person needs more education
Most people get their WC from TH-cam, they don’t have a legit teacher and there are not that many out there. You got to be be lucky to find one.. you don’t need to get complex with moves but you need to be fast
@@hotlanta35 I agree
Wing Chun with judo works better
@@Hasanafandi-qj6oh Anything with Judo works better! 👏 Judo is awesome. It was my first art
The issues isn't the style, ita that it gets marketed as a mysterious dangerous thing. there's usually no sparring. and no physical conditioning. people learn chin qui then open a school
@@thac0twenty377 Yes, any person looking to defend themselves or looking to be prepared for a fight must condition their body and exercise and must learn to handle many different sizes of people and pressures. This is why our motto is Train like an athlete - Fight like a criminal! Real kung fu means excellent skill that’s acquired after many years of hard work…unfortunately some schools do Not put in the work.
Huh ?
I want to chat with you on my perspective of self defense, sport fighting and the benefits Wing Chun offers vs the lies WC believes. Stop saying thousands of years ago are your proof. Its like saying the rotary phone was the original so its better than the Iphone. Grow up, stop talking crap. Lets talk the real benefit and the real faults. If you only train one style you are a traditonalist. If you are a kata guy, or a point fighter, cmon. Every evolution changes self defense. 100 years ago, how would WC defend against a AK47 or Mike Tyson? Evolve and adapt or become extinct. I love WC. just not extremists who think they can fight with obvious no experience being in a fight. I'm 55 and at least as old as you, probably with more WC background, but I understand reality and teach tactical combat. Lets do an interview and lets respect the powers WC has, but not fault its weakness against a grappler or a Muay Thai or Boxer. Chung Choi.....
@@JingShenKuoshu idk what you’re talking about(?) exactly. There are big differences between sport fighting and self defense. You mentioned a lot of “If”s …none of which really apply to me so idk. You mentioned a martial art going against an AK47 an 100 yrs ago (?) A well placed bullet beats Any martial art. So I don’t really get your point. Is it that you think mma is better for self defense?
@JingShenKuoshu. You claim to teach Tactical Combat skills as in Combat Krav Maga & not realize it incorporates many elements of WC dummy form??? Educate yourself on self defense online or attend a seminar & you will see the similarities in WC tools used. WTF!
@@MustAfaalik I’m guessing this is directed to Jingshen comment(?)
@@craneandcobraclosecombat Jingshen did claim to teach Tactical Combat Skills. Please feel free to comment on my reply to him.
@@MustAfaalik I’m not exactly sure of his original point, unlessbit was that WC has weaknesses. That’s fair to say but at the higher levels I don’t believe it has many weaknesses. When I learned the Biu Jee form where you bend over, touch the ground and come back up swinging your arms around and into jong sao my Sifu taught me it meant Anything Goes…meaning once you learn proper Wing Chun you could incorporate almost any technique into it during an altercation even if it “breaks the rules” of WC. Basically the Wing Chun practitioner is free to move however he wants to as long as he sticks to the concepts and the 5 main principles (Centerline, Facing, Forward Intent, Economy of Motion, & Simplicity). Those WC principles can and should be applied in every fight across any and every art
🇦🇺😎👍I think you’re over the target big fella 😉👍
This is bs. Train like a criminal? I can't take you/this seriously.
@@attritionwarrior Then you probably don’t know much about self protection or self defense. Intent to injure and cause devastating harm is a must and should be taught (especially to women) when if ever jumped/attacked in a serious situation which happens all the time all over the planet. Your comment is bs as is the idea that one’s fighting skills will become so good that they’ll just go easy on their assailants and handily resolve a violent encounter 🤦♂️ Study and learn from Tim Larkin, Rory Miller, Tony Blauer etc then get back to me