Thanks for the shoutout Ranton! I'm really glad you're bringing attention to these subjects. Traditional martial arts can offer a lot as long as they are transparent and honest in what they offer without misleading the students and/or pretending to be something they are not. The more people will know what some martial arts and what they aren't, the better choices they will make when choosing a martial art. So thanks again for bringing up this subject!
I really want you guys to do a collab, I'm a big fan of both you AND ranton and it'd be so cool to see you talk about martial arts together in a collab video! Make it happen!
I am 64 years old, I began training in Boxing at 12 and at 15 I found a Wing chun class that impressed me to no end. I had attempted to join a Shaolin school located at 34ths street Braoday in Manhattan, but they did not spar at all, Pretty moves, but coming from a boxing back ground, it sucked. However the Wing chun school I joined, with Sifu Duncan Leung, had us sparring on day 1!They especially liked me because of my boxing background. To this day I coach boxing and use many wing chun principles. In a nut shell, I don't care what TMA you practice, if you don't spar, you will never make it work. After my Sifu left the states, every Wing chun school (in fact all Kung fu and Karate) I visited were focused on uniforms and Kata. I was used to punching and getting punched. So I dropped out of martial arts and continued boxing. I still have my wooden dummy and practice wing chun forms. what I have learned is that not every technique is effective every time. Real fighting is chaotic. Also, I feel that Wing chun is more of a grappling art rather than striking, Chi sao works great for me in boxing as I tie up an opponent, and in grappling, the unconventional attacks throw people off, but no technique works great ALL the time. 50 % skill, 50 % luck, 100 % circumstance. Thats real
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@tonyvalente you missed the point completely,. In my time there were no cell phones. All om saying is, all martial arts are good as long as they have realistic sparring drills. I have tons of videos of me teaching boxing but that doesn't have anything to do with my statement
This video-essay type content is amazing, you're an incredible writer. Your points are clear, concise, and easy to follow (also love your vocabulary, eg "praxis-oriented" "self-aggrandizing" "litigious"). The diversity of your channel is absolutely unique, and you do it all well
@@theskullblaze1 just to piggy back off what you said... lol it does kinda seem like I got paid to write that comment. Idk, I just felt like paying respect to Anton since he's disappeared before and I want him to keep making content haha. He's prob my favorite youtuber rn
I practiced wing chun for 2 years, and I enjoyed every aspect of the martial art. What I did not like was my sifu filling my head with the idea that I could fight anyone with the practical application of wing chun. The longer I practiced it, the more I realized that I would never win a fight in real life. My sifu was over exaggerating what we were learning every day. With that in mind, I continued training in wing chun for fun and I met many great people during that time.
Don't know man, one guy did Wing Chun in street fight, he permanently damaged the guys throat, damaged the guys left eye and ripped his ears off, it got so bad, he kicked him on the back of his head.
The term is "exaggerating". There is no such thing as overexaggerating. Do you over realize how silly it can over become? :) I know people keep using it, but it's dumb. Don't be dumb. You can be better.
I like how real you keep it. I'm a veteran and have seen combat. We train and train and train for pretty much any situation you can imagine but when the actual combat happens most of that training goes out the window for most people because it never starts the way you expect it. You can train as much as you like but nothing teaches like actual experience.
Not nearly as wild as being a veteran, but this kinda fits here: I've been practicing Taekwondo in my teens, and was fairly successful in tournaments. However: tournaments aren't the same thing as getting attacked on the street. In tournaments, or fighting sports in general, there are rules. Not following them can get you disqualified, and just about nobody wants that. On the streets, or in your case combat, an opponent or enemy most likely won't follow any of those rules, it's not a controlled setting. I hope you didn't have it too bad, I can't begin to imagine what sort of hell actual combat really is
I've had an interesting perspective as a bouncer at an Irish Pub in downtown San Diego and working at a psych hospital as well. My experience maybe 2-3 strikes and then grappling, on the ground, usually. But the psych hospital was an authentic 'fighting for your life' situation. A good amount of clawing and biting, so staying calm and keeping ur head on a swivel was way more important than technique. I just usually grabbed someone's wrist & bicep and pulled them toward my direction on the ground. Generally less violent punchy motions happen there. Lol. I could see how you'd really need to have experience to effectively use combat training when your adrenaline is up and getting knocked around and don't have time to think.
My Dad was a really wild kid starting in the 1960s who apparently used to fight for “the fun of it”. He took Judo classes which was highly uncommon back then and he could handle pretty much anybody who wanted the smoke. He told me if things got out of hand numbers wise, he would take the steel chain off of his biker boots and start swinging. Aiming mostly for the eyes. I cant even imagine what this man was like back then. He was a very angry man my whole life though who could reduce you to the verge of tears with just a look
This video made me feel so much better about the school my son trains in! The Sifu is so humble and positive, and never bad mouths other styles or schools. He's even honest about what works or doesn't work in a street fight. He also loves that my son has other training (Taekwondo and Krav Maga) Thank you so much for this!
Great to hear that! I do have to say it is dangerous your son is training Krav Maga, as it was designed by Israeli special forces to kill. The problem with the fact that every move his designed to kill is that: i) you can't practice sparring properly as you'll kill the other student and ii) if he really is training Krav Maga and is good at it then when he does get into a fight, he'll kill someone or seriously injure them. The latter means that you'll be in court in most jurisdictions, rather than safely away at home recovering from a couple of bruises and laughing about the scuffle. Again, good to hear about your son's training though and don't mean this to be a downer but just a heads up!
If you do an unhealthy complexion 9 times in a task you are very bad. Get good always do better. If you are doing very costly less less less no. If you are always doing the method, then remove blockages.
@@ArgenYargen Krav Maga is bullshit. Its the fact that you wont be able to apply it properly given that you cant train it in real time, and the whole "designed by israeli special forces" is also bs, how many times do you hear about the army or special forces getting into hand to hand combat? They might train it sure but it doesnt make it effective. His son should stop training it sure, but not because its too dangerous, because there are better martial arts to train
@@ArgenYargen what a load if crap. I practiced Krav Maga and you are definitely NOT trained to kill. They have stripped Krav Maga into three levels: civilian Krav maga, law enforcement krav maga and military krav maga. Where a soldier learns to kill a civilian learns to inflict pain/damage enough to escape or to stop the threat.
Ip Man 1 is such a vibe. One of the most satisfying parts of the movie is showing other styles and masters using there fighting styles! You get scenery and atmosphere before the fire nation attacks. It makes you appreciate the beginning so much more!
The style of wing chun showcased in the movies is a lot more dynamic than how people practice it in real life. Donny Yen slips punches, covers up for incoming attacks, and employs a lot of strategies outside of the regular curriculum. Of course Donny Yen did the choreography, and has a lot of different styles under his belt.
@@aquaticlibrary Oh, well he did a great job. I haven't seen Prodigal Son, but I'd love to see more of Sammo's work. I was bummed out when I ran out of Ip Man to watch.
Any time we seem a martial art being displayed outside of forms, and I include the many kung-fus and karate and etc, it goes either way: the person is brutally destroyed, OR, the whatever martial art behaves and looks like kickbox. Samey, boring (but tried and tested), both-hands-up-protecting-the-face, straight punches, lateral and frontal kicks. When I say boring I mean the watcher is not caught by any flamboyance, it will look pretty much the same and so there is nothing that says 'ah yes, this is X martial art made for shorter people who fought on boats and hills so they had unstable footing so the movements are shorter', or 'ah yes, Y martial art, the ones who invented this were heavier and taller so they relied on brute force'. It just all looks like kickbox pretty much, and martial arts practioners will *hate* that.
@@CedricDur I know that, but wing chun specifically doesn't condone high kicks, and Donny Yen kicks people in the face all the time in those films. He uses his whole resume with a wing chun flair for those films. Artistic license. The film wasn't really about wing chun anyway, it was about Ip Man.
It's honestly just choreographed, fantasy stuff. IRL, there would be grappling and people would be knocked out or dazzled with a huge punch or two. Who doesn't love wuxia fighting tho?
As someone who used to practice the art and teach it, you are spot on about the politics, egos and practice methods. Most especially the part when you said AT LEAST attend a session of boxing. Because I did the same thing and several years later, I am now into Boxing(competed), Muay Thai, BJJ and ultimately, MMA. I saw Rokas' video few years back, and like what I said in that video, you guys hit the nail on the head describing the culture of practicing WC. People even invent their own self-defense achievements saying they beat up some thief trying to pick their pockets etc. They are prone to self-aggrandization since they don't spar therefore not being exposed to violence. And they've got egos. Sparring humbles you and determines where you are in the skill hierarchy, which is consistent to most of the gyms I went to. Sparring is crucial in reminding you how much you suck, that you are not that special, keeps your head on the ground.
I’m glad my Wing Chun school didn’t advertise at all. LMAO Literally just a bunch of kung fu enthusiasts in a warehouse storage/office district that opens after work and we’d practice Hung Gar Nei Kung, Tai Chi, Choy Lay Fut, and Wing Chun. No nonsense about authenticity or school politics. 🥰 Also the only “advertisement” they did was a morning hour long exercise program for ppl to warm up their bodies like chi kung. No word of martial arts at all. I only found out by word or mouth from my mom who heard the name which had Wing Chun in it. hahahah Update: school closed down a couple years ago and then opened back up but idk what happened after that. It’s been a while 😭. Name is Đông Phương Hội Vịnh Xuân Quyền - Far East Association Wing Chun Kuen
i meant usually low profile schools don't really need advertise, you just have to understand your ability, not show off. i've seen many kungfu schools promote alot just for the sake of money.
Kinda same here, we have two Sifu in our school, we have Do-in, Qigong, Groundfight, also physical conditioning (Kettlebell), also we learn the usage of staff (the six and half pole only used by those who are experienced, others learn easier northern shaolin forms with smaller length staff), we do sparring, not just chi sao. The teachers really self-defense oriented, and they are always open about what should do, and do not in self defense, how not to get into a fight (so kinda psychology thing), also they borrowed elements from Jeet Kune Do, BJJ, and street fight (not much but there are way effective self defense methods there so they applied them)...In my opinion Wing Chun works, but you need the sparring, to really learn the pak sau and bong sau and the others, also you need physical condition, wing chun ha a lot of tool where you use the attackers force, but if you are in danger a good palm strike can save you life...after that if you have the upper hand you run...
Not only is the Wing Chun in Ip Man Choreographed, giving an unrealistic idea of it's effectiveness the fact that it's choreography is devised to have Donnie Yen be the performer pushes that illusion even further. Because even compared to other martial arts actors and real fighters, Donnie Yen's is ridiculously charismatic and his hand and foot speed is just obscenely fast. All action choreography is meant to make the hero's style look effective, but Donnie Yen is the master of selling that conceit. I mean, look at the new John Wick movie; Donnie is so good at moving on screen (even now that he's getting old and isn't as quick and dynamic as he used to be) that he can almost make the `blind assassin' trope feel believable, not just with swords but even when they're all using guns! TLDR: Remember that whoever you are you are not Donnie Yen, the actor, let alone the fictionalized version of Ip Man that Donnie Yen portrays.
Honestly you're right - I've done Muay Thai - BJJ - Kick boxing. Going fill tilt on a Wing chun proctor they don't hold a candle. The moves they lean go out the window once the kicks - punches and take downs head their way.
Thats the thing. Donnie yen could make it work because he is crazy skilled martial artist. Anyone else who isnt master level and skilled in multiple styles could never make it work.
Being a student of Wing Chun nearly 40 years ago, the presentation of it in this film series is completely unrealistic. Choreographed is not the word I would use. Fake would be my term. And I have found the art to be very effective. EDIT: The modern instruction of Wing Chun is NOT Wing Chun. I dont know what it actually is, but my instruction included grappling, kicks and punches in concert with evasion and redirection. EDIT@: Even tho I consider it fake, I did enjoy the show. Much the same way I know Avengers is fake. A well told story is always better than a boring one. Fake or not.
I actually watched Ip Man fairly recently, and I have to say I absolutely loved it. Donnie Yen did an absolutely amazing job and the fight choreography is some of the best I've seen in any movie. I'm so glad you decided to talk about this amazing film! Also, fun fact, Donnie Yen actually broke one of Mike Tyson's fingers during the fight scene. Edit: I'm rewatching this again and something popped into my head. Bruce Lee (who was trained by Ip Man) created his own style. He invented Jeet Kune Do, which was based around Wing Chun, Tai Chi, Boxing, Jujutsu, Taekwondo, and even Fencing. Bruce Lee took Wing Chun and mixed it with all of these other martial arts to create an effective and powerful combination. It makes sense, on its own Wing Chun is somewhat effective in certain cases but has its flaws, but when paired with another martial art it can truly shine.
Bruce Lee had HUGE respect for his master Ip Man, and two of Ip Man's students (William Cheung and Wong Shun Leung: Bruce's Si-Hings in Wing Chun). Bruce also told his students that he considered his senior (Si-Hing) William Cheung, to be the best street fighter he'd ever seen. Dan Inosanto admitted so in the Preface of the book 'Bil Jee - The Art of Thrusting Fingers' by William Cheung. Let that sink in. :)
@@sifudominiqueemond6292 You know, knowing a martial art and being a good street fighter are kinda two different things. I mean, it's barely ever a 1 v 1 situation, at some point beer bottles or other scrap at hand comes into play and it usually devolves into a straight up messy brawl in a matter of 10-20 seconds and if you ever fall down your side is probably lost. Also, nobody is immune to being hit from a blind spot.
I studied Kenpo Karate first and then later GJJ but I wanted to try Wing Chun. I felt that the sensitivity drills and training surprisingly improved my ground game. I was able to better feel and focus on the muscle twitches and preemptive movements of my opponent during rolls. Although it wasn't a silver bullet, I do believe that it was a significant improvement for me.
exactly, like Ranton said I feel that Wing Chun is a very useful SUPPLEMENTARY martial arts style to help improve your fighting skills, I just wouldnt recommend it as someone's only style to practice. Plenty of martial arts have incredibly beneficial training tools or techniques, thats why its very useful to study a variety of styles and find the techniques and skills that work the best for you and incorporate all of them together, instead of strictly sticking to one thing
@@matthew-2484 the worst that his situation got was getting fined and banned from public transportation by some court, it’s all over now and he’s a mini celebrity in China. He’s subtly indicated many times that he’s a dissident and a liberal. He has hung out with multiple media personalities that are open liberals.
He beat up some frauds, sure authorities got annoyed cause he was stirring shit up. After all, organizing public duels is illegal. I’m glad he did what he did, I am annoyed that now people think the CPC fetishizes Kung Fu, could not be more false, politicians don’t give a shit about martial arts.
I did wing chun for about 13 months. As I had no real experience of other martial arts I can say wing chun has helped me a lot both in my physique but also my ability to fight ( compared to nothing ofc). My school was amazing. We had practice every day (mon-friday) for about 2.5 hours. My sifu was well trained and I knew for a fact he had spent about 5 years in china learning too so he was not taught just in my country. Anyway, the training regime was tough and we had sparring sessions at least twice a week, sometimes even 4. He would also bring athletes from other martial arts to discuss their style and what we could have done to defend against certain moves using wing chun with showcases and some practice too. My sifu had done other styles too so he never claimed wing chun is the god of martial arts or anything and he always said if you can avoid a battle, always do it and not just for your own safety but the safety of others and the environment too. You don't want to go destroy property around you or the day of fellow customers in a shopping centre for example. We were to use it only as our last resort if we could not do anything else. I am sad I had to move town for work. Never had the time nor the trust to go to another school since then, I think there are teachers who are charlatans and promote violence. That said, I might start looking from 2024 as I really miss the training.
Dude, my Wing Chun trainer was short & covered in bruises & was missing teeth.... Wing Chun is about speed & surprised attacks. It's supposed to give advantage to a woman who is attacked by a bigger man. She supposed to swing & hopefully break the nose of the attacker & get away. It's offensive martial arts. It's not about the power. It's about the speed & confusing & disorienting the attacker.
Training martial arts just for fun is so underrated in my opinion. It’s a great hobby! There are so many physical and psychological benefits to it, and it’s a shame to me that so many people see training that doesn’t work for self defense as worthless.
Why have fun in a “martial art” that doesn’t work when there are many that do work but can give you that same pleasure. Self defense isn’t fun & games real stuff can happen to people you NEED to be learning to defend yourself especially in 2024 not wasting money to have fun when you could do something that is of use
@@augustine2024 Because martial arts aren’t for self defense. Keep in mind that fighting is not the same as self defense. Someone who has won 6 fights is good at fighting, but someone who has never fought in their life is good at self defense. Stay out of secluded areas at night. Remain in plain sight. If someone is asking to fight you, refuse. If they try to attack, run. That’s what self defense is. Learning how to fight definitely can be useful, but it only comprises about 5% of self defense. Simply walking to the bus with a friend is far more likely to keep you safe than learning to fight.
I think Wing Chun can be great for self-defense, if you have a good teacher (like Francis Fong). But people use Wing Chun in boxing matches and then are surprised when they lose to boxers. It's really not designed for the ring, not without some major modifications anyway.
@austinmanning749 because they won't give you the same pleasure? And martial arts are honestly mostly pointless for self-defense. Practice situational awareness, deescalate and walk armed with at least spray and a taser if you really want a last resort.
martial arts also have the effect of an improved self esteem and that makes you wanting to stand your ground then you can end up in a bad situation, if you only did it for fun
I studied many martial arts. Including Wing Chun off and on for 6 years. Last July I started boxing. As a kid and adult I loved watching boxing. Studying it made me have a whole new respect. You just don't know how hard it is! Boxing has definitely improved my fighting ability, and has given me a much greater defense than any martial art has. Not to mention the conditioning and realism. Getting in the ring and sparring with the coaches was a major eye opener!
Lack of sparring is always the first indicator that you're in a McDojo instead of a real martial arts club. I've been to a Tae Kwon Do club that didn't do sparring when I was younger and the teacher had this huge beer belly. They tended to focus on breaking thin wood planks above anything else to impress the parents and newcomers. A real shit show. Quit after 2 months of that bullshit, went to a better club that did physical conditioning and sparring olympic style. Almost 15 years later I have a drawer full of golden medals from international competitions and I've learned multiple martial arts.
@@rudyleon7321 awesome! I absolutely love Wing Chun. It's a beautiful and addicting art. It helped my hand speed, reaction time and short range power. As well as relaxation and being balanced using my left hand almost as good as my right hand. I plan to go back one day. I have an incredible Sifu. He is an amazing martial artist and human being and almost like a Father to me.
That's pretty interesting - I practiced Kickboxing for about 6 years and Wing Chun for about 1 year but my experience was exactly the other way round. I felt like Kickboxing was of course a very strong fighting style but you're extremely dependent on your physical stature - during training I experienced on a regular basis that taller ppl with an equal amount of training just have an insane advantage what frustrated me a lot (I'm barely 1,80m). Wing Chun on the other hand gave me the feeling that it is way more important to train your technique properly and focus on using the right form at the right time. I can't say that I'm really able to fight with Wing chun after practicing it only for 1 year but that's my take on the debate.
@@bluefox9436 I can't stress enough trying your Wing Chun against other styles. I learned the hard way that it's almost impossible to Pak Sau a really fast jab!
Having been in a situation involving two attackers with knives in the back of a car, I used all of my training to... Just prevent escalation till I could kick the window out and jump out of the car. Till this day Im thankful for having a truthful and realistic sensei.
Smart. Yeah... i have a lot of training & sparring with knives and the sparring teaches you that you don't ever want to be on the other end of a knife. Much better to talk your way out of it and/or run.
Whenever the topic of knife "fights" comes around I like to advise the video of the stabbing in a train station in Brisbane in 2022. The whole thing was over in under 10 seconds. Dude got stabbed in the throat and that was it. It happend incredible fast, and I'm sure noone involved had any skill im any sort of martial art. The point is: Avoid a confrontation with a knife at all costs.
I did Wing Chun for about 3 years and always really enjoyed it i was doing more as a way to socialise and keep in shape, the fact that it was martial arts or training how to fight wasn't what brought me in personally. I trained under Master Frank Roach in the UK who trained in china in his 20s then came back to the UK to teach. The big take away from doing it was fight avoidance. "Theres no point getting stabbed over a phone" as he put it. I learnt alot of important life lessons that ive really benefitted from in my life and i dont regret practising at all and would highly recommend to anyone interested in martial arts to give wing chun a try themselves before forming too strong an opinion. Just to also clarify Wing Chun isnt the only martial art ive practised, i also have 2 year experience in Karate and dabbled in boxing a few times.
12:10 I just came across your video and really enjoyed it. Thanks for your honest and reality based perspective! Very refreshing. I’ve be a student of traditional Okinawan Karate for about 50 years (Uechi-Ryu), and simply for the reason that it’s the only form of exercise that ever captured my imagination. I simply love training in it. And while there are numerous benefits in narrow and deep training in this discipline, there is no better way to keep oneself safe than understanding how to simply avoid physical altercation in the first place. I’ve been fascinated by Wing Chun from the Ip Man movies as well, and have considered learning more about it. Thanks so much for this commentary! Was excellent and really helpful.
This is so spot on to my own experience. I trained Wing Chun as my first martial art and thought it was the best and that I was ready to take on anyone. Then a buddy invited me to come along to his BJJ class and it was a massive eye opener. Lots of sparing and they had a kickboxing class to round out the students skills. Made me realise how impractical my skills were training with them for one day.
Fact I don't understand is that ip man could have using southern style. Instead he uses WING CHUN and PROCLAIMS that style doesn't matter. For it is IIIIIII the wing chunner who determines style is not important!!
I was kinda lucky that my Wing Chun class (which I took for a few months) did have sparring on a regular basis. Some former students even implemented kickboxing into their pratice, and they came every now and then to spar. It's still really limited type of sparring, but it's better than nothing.
I spent 10 years in wing chun starting before the movies came out. I was fortunate the school I was at was very pragmatic, even having us spend time on ground game with jiu jitsu and encouraging us to learn and integrate ideas from other schools once we hit the mid levels. I found it to be an excellent first art to build a foundational understanding of fighting and encourage anyone to take it up, but the best self-defense will always be the following: 1) a cool head never looking for a fight 2) good situational awareness 3) good negotiation skills 4) good athletic footwear 5) a concealed handgun
Serious Ranton is like a completely different person from Rantoni-Pepperoni we get in game reviews .. when you see him you know he deeply cares about the subject of the video, excellent video as usually and very well-made points.
as a practitioner of historial european martial arts, primarily with italian style rapier (hoping to look into forms of longsword and spanish rapier one day), the contrast between eastern martial arts and european is pretty wild. i can't quite phrase how strange i find it, but it just IS strange when it comes to how these ways of fighting are approached in both learning and application
You are a true scholastic warrior who has understood, embraced and applied the essence of martial arts and self cultivation. Keep up the incredible work.😊
About the same how I've felt on it throughout my own ongoing Martial Arts journey. I started with western styles in HEMA, learning Ringen, empty hand fighting by Fiore, as well as training with arming sword, round shield, spear, so on and so forth. It helped starting there a lot because there are so many different styles that just fall under the umbrella term of HEMA. So it helped me learn fairly early on that just about every martial art has something to glean from and should be treated as just another tool in your toolbelt. If you practice just one thing and never even consider another style then you're just setting yourself up for failure.
A supplement. Well said. Where innovative Wing Chun inspires me is it's no BS approach and the Leopard notion of getting to the point first in a fight. You can go on all day about "real fights" but a good block and throat punch ends a fight. Wing Chun does not discriminate. Eyes, throat, any breathing apparatus... a knee. Wing chun can cripple if properly applied and with little energy and movement. The illusion is the notion that one should not go "too far". That's nice for film. In reality crippling your opponent can save your life or another's, a morality beyond "I don't wanna fight".
As you pointed out, nothing wrong doing Wing Chun or any other physical training. The mindset and the goal behind matters. I learned Karate and Tae Kwon Do and from my experience, it works fine with an opponent who is doing the same stuff. On the street, very rarely I had a profit from my knowledge. You said it perfectly. when basic insticts like fear kicks in, the world looks completely different. And it's normal as under training conditions these circiumstances don't get applied and of course shouldn't.
This is why we train so we don't have to think when your body knows what to do fear aside you will protect yourself. As a survivor of some brutal beat downs I thank my teachers for showing me how to survive.
Half true, I think when it comes to unarmed combat, military combat comes first (which yes, use boxing, Muay Thai, BJJ, etc.) but u gotta take into account you can gouge people’s skin and eyes as well as bite off flesh from each other in true unarmed combat. Besides, this “true unarmed combat” isn’t even real world combat because of so many other factors. But yeah, boxing and bjj would definitely help you better in a real world situation than wing chun
@@seijikun791 That's how I watch every movie nowadays. I just can't stand the sub-par voice acting done by dubbers 99% of the time. Even if they do their best, the mismatch between voice and lip movements is so obvious that it ruins the immersion.
The most useful martial art I practiced was old school boxing. It was a REAL old school boxing. Warmup was 1-2 hours. Technique was ~30 min and sparing was ~10-20 min. Shadow boxing was ~30 min. Each session was 2.5-4 hours long. Just so u guys know, 10 min of full resistance sparring is A LOT. And the reason most of our time spent 'warming-up' was because the most important thing in fighting is PHYSICAL CONDITIONING. Yes, MORE than technique. Some examples from our ~2 hours warmup: basketball, sand-ball ball passing, tennis ball vs the wall (throw with one hand into the wall, catch with the other, smaller balls which i don't know how to write their type- for more advanced students), jumping rope (gets ur pulse to 170+ in less than 5 seconds EASILY if u actually know how to jump, lots of running and jumping. We were a small group of about 10 people. After a session I was soaked to the bone, and the smell of my own sweat was so strong, it was even revolting for myself LMAO. Great times, 10/10 would go back to those times again if I could. For context, the few times I had to fight, I was extremely scared I would get to legal troubles, as in 2 of those times the other dude was knocked unconscious\barley conscious, on asphalt. Another very important point, hands were not made to throw such strong punches as you learn how to throw in classical boxing. I am very serious, if you hit the wrong body part, with the wrong amount of force, you WILL hurt your own hand, and can DEFINITELY break it, and suffer an irreversible damage to your finger dexterity. Avoid violence, it's not worth it.
can confirm both pinkies fracked and hands are mangled, dont hit people with out protection!! or you mess up your hands! Or better yet avoid fighting people over stupid shit! LOL!
I enjoy how you encourage practitioners to expose themselves to other styles. I do wish you would have touched on how we can see the successful points of the philosophy of Win Chun, as well as the tactical concepts, and I believe investigation into the successes of other styles will eventually lead one to understand the strengths and weaknesses of one's own. Great video!
Cool video man!! I don´t think I'll ever practice wing chun, because I'm already practicing 4 martial arts (judo, gojuryu karate , aikikai aikido and Tomiki aikido. However, I think it´s important to distinguish LEARNING a martial art and USING IT for self-defense. Here in Japan we just practice because we like, but nobody ever talks about using it. Only one time my aikido teacher said that one should avoid confrontation and only use if there´s no way of getting away.謝謝你
I think it is also worth mentioning that the whole point of Wing Chun (and most other styles of Chinese martial arts) is to eventually be able to fight with the designated weapons. In the case of Wing Chun, the designated weapon is the dual knives. The iconic cyclic punches are more like cyclic stabs and this is also why traditional Wing Chun guard stance is at chest level instead of being at head level (there's not much to stab if you put your guard at head level). In other words, unlike MMAs, Kung Fu is not designed for fights in round cages. Also, since the mass introduction of firearms in modern China, the need for practicing fighting with melee weapons has gradually decreased, meaning that modern day Kung Fu is most likely a watered down version of the traditional Kung Fu, which was used to kill people. So to summarize, the punching and kicking that you see from modern Kung Fu are nothing but the training wheels that are supposed to eventually come off, and not moves are designed to be thrown around in a MMA fighting cage. Also, given that people are no longer really fighting with swords and spears, Kung Fu has been watered down over the years and has become more like a set of physical exercises rather than a set of killing moves for real fights.
Well, no wonder in Ip Man 3 the fights Donnie's "Ip Man" had with the other Wing Chun master flowed seamlessly into dual (short) blades as if wielding them was integral to the martial art, although ofc that's also excellent choreography at work.
>Wing Chun, the designated weapon is the dual knives That make it sounds worse, not better. Wing Chun stance is foot forward without defending your bottom half, when you use something that short range as knives, it's so open to you getting sliced in the leg by a weapon longer than 2 centimeter, and spear is completely deadly against this shit. >there's not much to stab if you put your guard at head level There's a fuck lot to stab if you put your guard at head level, including but not limited to: foot, knee, thighs, stomach, liver, penis etc. The entire bottom half is free for all against wing chun practicioners, esp when you fucking step your foot forward. Actual dual knives wielder drop their stance down and have their foot behind them so they can guard their entire body with their knives and lunge forward for more reach against higher ranged weapons, like say... a sword One stupid argument people made is wing chun is designed for on boats combat hence the weird foot forward stance. Newsflash, people dont fight on top of small boats, they shoot arrow from afar and try to sink other people boats. See the Bach Dang battle where the Mongol-Chinese force got completely sunk without being able to fight back. Because their "Wing Chun" dont actually prepared them for a real naval battle.
Baji from the North descends from Ming dynasty spearmen, and the style builds up to spear - but also, I suspect a lot of it comes down to 'soldier came back to hometown, got beaten up by local drunk, got real pissed and decided to figure out how to make his weapons style useful enough to beat up the local drunk and a lot of fighting ideas directly translate anyways'. Wing Chun may be similar - might be build up to butterfly swords; might be the other way around; might be both.
These videos are always incredible to me. Not only are they informative and entertaining (both as a movie review and as a light dissection of martial arts) but they provide an interesting lens into the Ranton behind the Game Review persona. Thanks for sharing your insights, Rantoni.
Ah man. Thanks for that review. Loved your games reviews and I started learning Wing Chun this year mainly as a fitness tool. When I was starting to wonder if that would actually be useful in a real fight I immediately went to boxing and Muay Tai. You kinda confirm all of this. Still, I never faught a single fight in my entire life and it'll probably stay like that so whatever :) Just enjoy what you train!
Whoa man you really decided to practice your kicks on the bee tree. Thanks for your honesty, it's helped me make a decision regarding my own training. I've incorporated some very basic Wing Chun concepts into my other systems and it's been quite helpful for conserving my endurance, counter-attacks, and even avoiding getting locked up in grapples, but I found out very quickly that it did nothing except stall the tide when I faced bigger opponents (I'm 6'1 lol). A supplementary implementation with stress testing is definitely a better approach than faith in any one system. Tools in the box, not the toolbox.
I started doing wing chun when I was around 17 or 18, and did it for about 3 or 4 years, and I absolutely loved it, we actually did quite a bit of sparring and my Sifu was big on learning the philosophy and applying it to life and not just fighting, but also being very practical while fighting as well, I’d would absolutely go back if I had the chance, also some of those exercises/workouts we did were pretty unique and have stayed with me till this day
I hardly ever comment on videos. My attention span is awful and I usually click away. I am hungover as I type this, but I have sat here and watched this video in it's entirety. The way you speak is so engaging and not once was I even distracted by something else. Keep doing what you're doing man, you have a real talent for speaking!
5:30 after 5 years of thai boxing, 2 years of wing chun helped me understand better what i was actually doing, just like wushu helped me in the coordination and flexibility of my kicks. I then tryed out many other styles of fighting. It almost feels like i was somehow disabled before i startet doing more than one martial art XD. And then i realised that i was subconsciously finding my own style of doing stuff. Its like a child that learns to walk or speak. Its walking and talking sure, but its not like adults walk and talk.
It is a really unusually sane discussion of the subject. I used to practice WT years ago and had similar conclusion. Thanks, was a breath of fresh air to listen to you.
Yes! Absolutely love your take on this. As a Wing Chun practitioner myself for many many years, what I can tell is that Wing Chun itself is great when sparring or even fighting people that don't know much about fighting. When I try to use it during training at a martial arts gym such as kickboxing or muay Thai, I have much greater difficulty haha. The concepts are definitely sound though! Just tough to apply in modern combat I'd say.
I've always viewed most Kung Fu films almost like modern super hero films and I've loved and been obsessed for years. I don't delude myself into thinking it's practical. Also Dragon Tiger Gate is a hilarious over the top awesome action flick of Donnie's. I'll never not enjoy watching him work. Edited for grammar.
Very accurate and honest review that many people need to hear. Against the untrained fighter it can be of some advantage, but against a skilled fighter in a host of other forms of fighting and self-defense it's nothing like the movies. My Sensei once told me the best fight is the one that never takes place. 🙏🏻
Interestingly enough a fight between different styles does not decide which style is best. the Winner of a fight simply is "a superior fighter". be it in better shape,, or better trained, or at the very least is better at his style than the opponent was of his style. Boxers refer to "a glass jaw". did you know there is the opposite of that. " head as hard as a rock". so there are those you can drop with out much effort and those that you can hit with full force, on the money , perfect mechanics and the turn their head back to you and say" is that all you got". .. NOW that is intimidating. LOL
"the best fight is the one that never takes place." What a ridiculous extrapolation of "best way to avoid punch, no be there" from Karate Kid II, meaning get out of the way, not avoid the fight. (though "prevent having to fight" was Miyagi's main message) According to that logic, the best sex is that which never takes place.
id love to see more of just reviewing classic kung fu movies and having your thoughts on opinions on them (even comedy ones like kung fu hustle which is secretly my favorite)
People with real technique and training tend to have real discipline.. hence they are never desperate enough to attack people. Attackers tend to be either desperate, drunk high or otherwise out of sorts, over confident, off balance, etc. unfortunately a small disciplined person has drilled instinctive reactions that will invariable end in broken bones, destroyed groin or crushed larynx… it will be over in seconds and the attacker won’t see it coming. Most of us with this discipline and training would rather avoid this situation and do. People looking to get into fights do, and get beat up just as much as they hurt others.
When my son was studying JKD, i appreaciated the Sifu never bad mouthed any other style or school. He was also clear to the students that, no matter how good you are, a fight will hurt you.
Okay now I want to see a Kung-Fu Panda video-essay as well, because I am very curious if the movie did the portrayal of Kung Fu, Chinese culture and philosophy right. Of course I want to know your personal opinion on it as well. Funny enough it is also one of the many movies alongside Shaolin (2011) and The Karate Kid (2010) that made me to start practicing Shaolin Kung Fu.
In real life, pandas just sit around watching panda porn all day while trainers try to get them to breed... They don't actually practice kung-fu, unfortunately.
Very very nice and down to earth. I like the techniques and insight that wing chun gives, and it is very raw, but still you can develope spirituality with it, and it's concepts. My main style is Jiu Jitsu, and I have done some Thai Boxing. A lot of things depend on a great teacher and a balanced state of mind to truly enjoy, appreciate and grow. Wow! More then 2000 comments. Thanks a million Ranton. 1000 blessings forever! This video is excellent. Thank you for sharing your insights.
I encountered this style at a very impressionable age, and i had a lot of resistance to it in the beginning, over time i learned many things that could be considered wing chun, but it was never pressure tested until i took myself out of the school and had to encounter other systems. I found that there WERE useful methods and mindsets in wing chun, especially in the trapping clinch and elbow department, but i had to actually spar to figure that out on my own after separating and reflecting. It was never ever going to come up inside the classes, nobody was ever going to get hurt and learn the more hard earned valuable lessons.
I have a very similar experience with Aiki-jutsu. The style I trained had many similarities to Aikido and Hapkido, including a high emphasis on small joint manipulations and virtually no sparring. Training in that style for 5 years, I could say it wasnt very practical, and it most likely wouldn't work against a competent attacker. I quit training it about 2 years ago to begin training in primarily BJJ and a bit of Freestyle Wrestling. I recently revisited the aiki-jutsu with some old friends and found that some of the techniques were more functional than I originally thought, and that I was even able to use some of the small joint locks in sparring. The sparring and physical skills I am learning in BJJ allow me to implement some more of the traditional things. I know martial arts journey is finding similar results.
I always say the combat sports like MMA are like the macro and other traditional martial arts are like the micro in combat. The macro makes much more of a difference in most fights but the micro can determine the outcome between 2 macro guys and also teach you a bunch of cool little things about combat.
I love how you speak truth and don’t care what anyone thinks. I fully agree with everything you’ve pointed out. Keep the Amazon content coming. Just got yourself a new subscriber!
I practiced Wing Chun for about 3 years or so during my teenage years but my master had us do sparring and learn things from other styles as well: We did a bit of Shaolin for resistance and stretching, Sanda for kicking Qina for grappling I think it was, Muay Thai, breathing techniques, etc and we'd gather in a circle and fight until one of us got knocked to the floor. It was around 9 or 10 years ago but I feel I learnt a lot and I value, respect and wanna keep learning Wing Chun in the future, not thinking it is the best in itself but with a mix what it does lack.
I agree in most of what you said brother. I am a Level 9 provisional instructor of Wing Chun. I can attest to the fact that having additional disciplines increase your chances of success in the real world. Thankfully, I have study some Karate, Chinese Kickboxing and Tae kwon do. These skills have saved me a few times on the streets. No fight is the same. I always tried to walk away or de-escalate. Most times it works (95%). Great content brother. I will close with this…I wish I had learned BJJ. Very effective ground art.
@@terencebanyahudah5691 That’s cool. May you enjoy your experience and get the most out of the training. 🙏🏽 My background is primarily in Karate (Shotokan, and a hybrid system), Xingyi Quan, Taekwondo, dabbled in boxing, and have a little BJJ experience. Now I’m looking to learn BJJ (Gi + No-Gi) and Muay Thai. Btw, have you ever done any western boxing? I always thought that it might work quite well with Wing Chun.
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I started training wing chun with 12 and did so for 4 years. The classes I went to where hardly a martial arts class. They where seriously informative courses. We had a really nice trainer who sometimes took us to get Ice cream. On the way she would ask us questions, how we would react, if a stranger strated talking to us. Where would we stand in relation to a car if they asked us to come closer? In the front ofcourse! If you approach them from behind, they can easily open the door and grab you. She always emphisized, that if we have a funny feeling walking down a street, change the roadside, go a different way. If you are in a fight and you see a potential escape route, use it! Nothing else matters. If you see knives? Run! Always scream and try to make a scene when you are in such a situation. We had drills, where one was lying on the ground and you had to prevent a group of people from coming close to you. We had pads and all that and actually tried really hard to pounce on the person lying on the ground. In between there where obviously form drills. We all knew this is not how you are supposed to fight in a fight. They where just there to generally train your body awareness. For me as a child and teen it helped me a lot to feel safer. I was bullied in school and just felt unsave. I never had to get in a real fight and I hope to keep it that way: I really feel like it has made me more aware of my surroundings and being able to deascalete situations or just leaving before they happen. The courses I went to really tried to make an effort to make kids more aware.
I've recently played Sifu and watched Ip man and so had gotten inspired to try a martial art as a method for fitness and focus. This was great insight so I feel prepared for what I'd be getting myself in for and what it's good for and definitely not good for (I hadn't really factored in using it for self defense so it's good to know I wasn't set on that!) There's a school nearby that teaches Wing Chun so i'm planning to visit it in the coming weeks. Thanks very much :D
i already had experience with martial arts when i got in to the wing chun. Sifu was pretty dedicated and trained under Ip Man's son Ip Ching. After 1-2 months later he put students into sparring etc. Students wasn't able to catch or parry any attacks at first so there were some blood not everyone wanted to continue. Then they changed the policy to make more money and they did it. Now they just do movements and practicing forms and nobody knows how to actually stand against brute force. I left the course went for muay thai for a while. Sifu is rich and happy now etc. I have gained pretty interesting skills from wing chun ngl. But the mindset of wing chun is actually pretty hard to understand therefore even harder to execute against real brute force. If you keep sparring and also keep practicing your martial art, eventually you start to feel and understand what movement can come where usefully. So then ofc wing chun is usefull in some situations. Not all techn. are useful in every situation and if you blindly believe you gonna find out and do the right move in a real fight without years of experience. Sorry but nobody can do that its not about wing chun bro its about delusional people think they can fight.
Three months ago, I began boxing. As a fan of Bruce Lee and Ip Man movies, I idolized their impressive fighting skills, believing them to be the strongest individuals capable of defeating legends like Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali. However, my own martial arts experience was limited to just two years of kung fu when I was eight years old. As I grew older, I became more drawn to boxing, perhaps because I was perceived as weak by others. Finally, when I turned 14, I decided to take my first boxing session on November 27th 2022 after months of persistent nagging to my parents. That single experience completely transformed my perception of fighting. After leaving that boxing session, I was struck with the realization that I wanted to become a boxer myself. Currently, I train three times a week and plan to start my amateur career soon. I strongly recommend anyone who has not trained in martial arts before to give boxing a try, as it may become a passion of yours.
Dude, boxing is very unhealthy sport. Some people become clinically paranoid, like someone is going to punch them any second now. Deep sited eye sockets.... Perpetually moving & behaving like they are constantly in a boxing match. Some become clinically angry & violent. You see how Tyson or Ali or bunch of MMA guys act. It's kind of mixture of fear & rage. It's like they are terrified of being punched & they deal with it by being psycho aggressive. My cousin became psycho aggressive from boxing. He was totally normal kid. "Good" family & relatively privileged upbringing. Then he went into boxing & he almost killed a couple of guys. He would be in jail & double crazy, but his family had connections.... Very few can stay normal.
If you are taking boxing, don't go professional. Even professional guys are pointing out that sparing is dangerous & not a good idea. Too much of the head injuries. Don't even go semi-professional. It's just too much damage. There is no need for that.
@@neurocriptico You obviously didn't take boxing. What is cringe is Tyson or Ali or my cousin ... being legit lunatics. Look at the Tyson or Ali interviews. They are mentally unstable. You literally can see fear & rage in there eyes.
THANK YOU Ranton! Reality-- what a breath of fresh air. I agree with your every point, which is rare for a cynic like me. Just before I found your video, I had to suffer through the willful ignorance of another Wing Chun video. The central (ludicrous!) point was that Wing Chun practitioners would destroy mixed martial artists if only there were no rules. Your video was very welcome catharsis for my disgusted mind. The least I can do is subscribe to your channel. I anticipate more of your thoughtful, incisive commentary, and I look forward to it. Cheers, Ian.
i always love the no non sense martial arts takes from ranton. i get turned off of alot of martial arts because of the self agrandizing and mystical 'powers' that always get preached about and i can really appriciate a martial arts practitioner who keeps it authentic and can advocate for the postives of a practice while not hiding from its shortcommings.
I love how he talks about self deftin true life threatening situations. I've been in a few (none combative, broken limbs in wilderness scenario) and I can tell you it takes a minute or thirty to come to grips with what is happening and how you can try to survive it. I fell down a cliff in the middle of a new moon night. On the way down jagged rocks stabbed me through the ribs. I landed in shallow water in an a blackberry patch, and when I hit the ground my head was launched backwards into the clifface behind me. I was bleeding and disoriented and every move I tried just dug blackthorns into me. I fought my way out of it, rather stupidly climbed a thirty foot sheer cliff face, and wandered for hours trying to find were I was. I finally caught sight of a ruined building below me and knew I could get cell signal there. Just one of my experiences and I can tell you training does not help much when injury shock and panic start to take over. If I were in unfamiliar territory I doubt my survival.
Wing Chun is one of those martial arts that i would consider incomplete in how most practitioners use it. Like you mentioned, theres very little grappling, form work over sparring, etc. In fact, i would consider most martial arts practiced today 'incomplete' because they're not being taught as the full systems they used to be. Some are more complete than others, for example Kenpo is a more complete martial art than say Taekwondo, one is about the effective use against an opponent, the other deals more in disciplined dedication to form. The more martial arts become sportified in training, the more we are taught what is legal in tournaments more so than what works against someone trying to do you harm, the more incomplete a martial art becomes. You cant punch in wrestling, and you cant do grappling takedowns in boxing. But both are still watered down from a more holistic approach for what will help you in a fight with no rules, no ref, and no guarantee of safety. The reason why so many of the old mentors from around Ip Man's time did so well with their martial arts is because they not only COULD put their practice into action, but likely HAD to. Even the movie martial artists like Jackie Chan and Bruce Lee have had to legitimately defend themselves in street fights or run ins with gangs.
i trained in WC after other arts, and I was one of the few people that sparred outside of Chi Sao and drills. Most of them were people who also knew Karate, boxing, or TKD. That was extremely helpful and made things a lot more real. If you do WC...SPAR, and train more like a boxer or old school MA that involve CONTACT. Lift weights, get in shape and interact with other MA styles. When applied properly, WC principles allow for a wide array of effective applications, and remember...whether you believe it was made up by a nun or by Chinese revolutionaries, it was purportedly invented to defeat more "traditional" MA styles. So maximize your physical capabilities, and find a WC school that makes it REAL. If they dont, move on.
Thank you for this video. It really is pretty much applicable to other branches as well. I started my martial arts journey in Shotokan Karate, then moved to Kansan Ryu then to Teakwondo then Southern Shaolin and finally Hung Fut (a combination of Hung Gar and Fut Gar). I am in no way an expert, just someone who loved martial arts dearly. In general all martial arts schools are businesses and ran by people whose primary focus is to get money from people so the more they can pretend things work in real life the better. I have hundreds of stories these masters would tell to their star-stricken open-mouthed inexperienced students about the mythical abilities of their own grand masters. And before someone tells me that they know a martial artist that kicked ass in some fight, people should know that such people are successful not because of some flowery move they learned but because of conditioning, inherent speed (fast-twitch muscles you are born with) and their intelligent and luck and the other guys shortcomings. ALL martial arts are beneficial as conditioning exercises and supplemental to other more realistic training in basics of fighting. If your one and only goal is to be a good fighter, and you have to decide if you mean against other fighters or a street brawler (they are not the same), then look at something like, boxing, Muay Thai or wrestling. And remember, unlike what these masters and Hollywood is trying their damned best to make you believe, laws of physics are inviolable, even by Sifu so-and-so or 9TH Dan this or that. Enjoy martial arts because it makes a better you not because you think it makes you into a flying invincible master. Thank you for this great video.
Ip Man was a huge contributor to me learning and completing all of the empty hand forms. But when we had Lut Sau (pretty much light sparring) in class one of the older students that was a Hapkido black belt proceeded to kick the crap out of me lol. I was telegraphing movements that he could easily answer. Eye opening as it was, you need to spar to build the muscle memory for actual altercations. Someone with combat experience is going to always have the edge over you with nothing but forms. TLDR there is no one martial arts with the answers to every situation and thinking as much may get you hurt or worse in the future especially if you've learned forms without application or pressure testing.
Great video ! Didn't come here since the for honor one, and a random podcast where you talked about that time you (or your friend?) tried to speak french at a hotel and as soon as you made the smallest mistake, the face of the french people DRASTICALLY changed x')
I trained wing chun for 4 years and you are absolutely right and my sifu knew this as well and it is why he also trained us with Muai tai as well as boxing. He was a south pacific champion kickboxer and 1977 taekwondo champion in australia. He trained many forms of martial arts mostly chinese styles as he is from Guandong china. He incorporated what worked as he was an experienced street fighter having been a bouncer for a number of years. It also inspired me to branch out and learn from other styles too. But i especially enjoyed my time learning from my original sifu.
Reminds me of how I ALMOST joined a Wing Chun school in my town, motivated primarily by fear of my safety. That was almost... 10 years ago. However, I gave up after attending the open seminar, thinking of how I'd be unable keeping the discipline and in the mean time the town got a bit safer. There are other Chinese arts that I practice of regular basis, but they are not related to martial arts, at least not directly.
Growing up street fighting with no training or MA, just experience from older crowd bullying, and beating me down just to be able to hang around with them. To growing up and bouncing rank bars for 10yrs. Your video comments are spot on from my own witness and experience concerning fighting and reality on the street. One of the few MA vids on YT based in reality.
I am a Wing Chun master with 16 years of training and 4 years of teaching behind me and I must say that Traditional Wing Chun is incomplete and has many gaps. Personally I have also practiced several years of Karate GoJu Ryu and Muay Thay, but I admit that knowing Traditional Wing Chun is not enough to know how to defend yourself properly. You need to use your head, experiment and acquire as much as possible from various martial arts to become efficient. I agree with almost everything you said. Fortunately, the most modern schools of thought tend to experiment and strengthen this fantastic art by opening the mind and also incorporating what does not belong to it but becomes fundamental for a solid and more realistically effective system. Nice analysis. Compliments.
" I have also practiced several years of Karate GoJu Ryu and Muay Thai" How was your muaythai teacher? Was he accomplished? I began training muaythai at 57. I'm not athletically gifted, a true desk jockey. Here is a clip of yours truly at 76++. I owe it all to my mentors. I also alternate last round (4th round) between clinching and sparring. th-cam.com/video/Dv-vbV25SCQ/w-d-xo.html
I also read somewhere in China that only 18 men and women really know the True Wing Chun. To learn it one must show to have 2 Chinese parents, 2 Chinese Grandparents, 2 Chinese Great Grandparents, and 2 Chinese Great Great Grandparents to be able to learn it.
I saw also somewhere that the True Wing Chun has grappling, anti-grappling (Southern Chinese Chin na) throws, sweeps, joint manipulation, pressure point strikes, etc. Its said the 3 best lines are the Red Boat Wing Chun, the Opera Troop Wing Chun, and the Yuen Kay Shan line. I also saw somewhere that there was a 4th hand style called "Chain cutting hands"
I’ve had the OVERWHELMING pleasure of training with a teacher of (real) Taijiquan, and I’ll say straightaway, there IS a reason for practicing solo forms. This person was an amazing martial artist and was not a show off. The only time they’d put you in your place is if you challenged their ability. They weren’t afraid to get hit. A truly rare experience for me that I’ll never forget! Too many people think that what they see in a solo form is how you’ll look when in combat. Wrong. When we practiced push hands, this teacher’s movement looked nothing like the form. They felt like they were fast but it was due to the fact they ONLY attacked what was closest to them. They also felt different during grappling situations. The best way I can describe it is like bending a tree branch that won’t break yet you can feel that it’s about to slip and hit you back. You’d either get tossed out, or struck in a manner that wasn’t damaging. And they could strike like a MF’er, and from zero distance. That being said, they trained form AND partnered practice. You will definitely build root, strength, and power from solo form alone BUT you must practice with others to learn how to see intent. I fear many martial arts have had their partnered practice omitted due to teachers of old not wanting to share the art even though it appears they are. And now the world is left with watered down systems. All real systems will have a form (maintains good body structure), partnered practices (tests structure and teaches appropriate responses), and weapon training (helps practice delivering power).
This is a great video full of good advice, 100% true! Hopefully, it will reach and help a lot of people who need orientation in the martial arts world.
I remember watching Jet Li's Tai Chi Master as a kid and instantly wanted to learn it. It only took me a few weeks to realize that it was an art form and not a self defense martial arts. Months and months of the same flow of movements that wouldnt help in real life fights lol. Still I enjoyed it for as long as I did it, but it definitely didnt make me a better fighter lol. Think of tai chi as yoga, it was a stress relieving art form that put your mind to ease, while giving your body a full workout.
All martial arts are art form! Tai chi requires you to be smart or educated, if you cannot understand yin / yang meaning then you’ll never be able to apply Tai chi.
I don’t think so that’s it’s only in the movies. It was happening in the olden times up to the early 1900’s when the fighters know their stuff then the next masters did not teach the real technique, all they teach are the forms and little applications until the true combat application got lost as time goes. Wing Chun was not invented by a woman, it was developed by about 5 grandmasters who collaborated So to train someone in a short period of 2 years or less not more than 5 years and do not need much strength, flexibility or aerobics.
The trouble is wing chun is being marketed as a self DEFENCE, when in fact it is an attacking art. There are different types of people in this world. Some people are scarred of being attacked, but there is another kind who enjoy fighting. People who go to learn self defence have already lost, as to truly defend yourself you must learn how to attack. But for those who enjoy fighting wing chun is like toolbox. It helps you understand angles and lines of attack. But it requires a certain mindset to work. 99% of people dont have that mindset and no amount of training will ever enable them to overcome an opponent, whos mindset is to do them harm. For 1% its a deadly art, but for the rest its a waste of money. Their best defence would be to work on their confidence and awareness, and avoid fights altogether.
"People who go to learn self defence have already lost, as to truly defend yourself you must learn how to attack." That´s not true at all, Avoiding a phyiscal conflict is always better than to attack. Even if you attack and win you can hurt yourself. If you run away or simply avoid and de-escalate a sitution you`ll always be superior to any martial art. But sometimes if you are left with no other choice than to fight then sure.
@@johnwheeler3019 The type of person who doesn`t want to attack someone? sure i`m that. A knife is drawn quicker than any "mindset" you`d think you have to make you able to defend yourself from someone meaning to do you harm. If you think you can defend yourself from someone like that just because you are trained in a martial art i wish you good luck in your delusions and hopefully you never end up in a situation like that.
Thank you for this video. I have studied martial arts for 14 years and the single most important lesson I learned was to avoid conflict at any cost. I have lived my life according to that rule and do not ever show off or display my "skills" in public for show. You have just gained a subscriber....Thank you!!
As "the wing chun practitioner who made it to the end" I feel honour bound to defend my art. Maybe things are different in the States but here in the UK my sifu is a genuinely lovely bloke who treats his students and other arts with respect, and demands the same from us. I have never been hurled across a room into other students and don't know anyone who has. The Wing Chun I'm taught is very much based on simplicity/efficiency but it does generate serious power if done correctly. If you're ever this side of the Pond let me know and I'll buy you a beer and we can discuss it (100% not in a threatening way!!!)
Great Great Video! Thank you for the time for putting this together. Detect, Avoid and De-Escalate ... 100% Our head Sensei always told us... It doesn't matter the style... it depends on you as a person, what works for you?
I need Ranton on creator clash bro. He only has everything to gain with all those new eyes to follow along with him. His content is too good to stay underrated
he talked about it a while ago, I don't remember exactly what he said about it but it was a long the lines of him having everything to lose haha going there would be a lose lose, since he would for sure be hyped up like "THE SHAOLIN WARRIOR" and if he loses thats like super embarrassing and if he wins its like "oh well yeah obviously", can't remember when he spoke about it and I might not remember it exactly!
@Foxiest of buns yeah he talked about it with Harley a few days ago but that's just fear talking. No one would disrespect him if he lost to it, he has way more to gain than he realizes is my point
Luckily there are Wing Chun schools that apply sparrings and there are even Wing Chun competitions. This is probably the future of wing chun. (Not to mention the "modern wing chun" like "winfight" and "wincombat"). Although I sincerely wish there were projections and floor play. My favorite martial arts are Kudo, mma and sanda, in that order. But I love wing chun and sincerely want to add techniques and concepts to my own "jeet kune do" greetings from Venezuela
I had hoped that he would analyze more the technique itself that Wing Chun schools (particularly driven by the teachings of Wong Shun-leung) teach you, but I only see (conflating with) Kung Fu from films, that is not what it is in real life, far from it. It is not the case that weight no longer matters when you use Wing Chun, but you will be amazed at how much force you can exert without being strong yourself if you use the right technique and more speed and efficiency of movement and 'guiding' your opponents attacks away can certainly work to your advantage. In Wing Chun training we also sometimes try to imitate a scenario of a boxer attacking you, the idea (or one of the ideas) is simply that when such a person strikes out, he makes the shape of a 'half moon' with his arm from the side, i.e. from the outside , but if you stand ready as a Wing Chunner with your arms in the right way, you can hit him and push him away before he even has a chance to hit you with his fist because you simply cover a shorter distance via the centerline (one of the core principles of Wing Chun). My sifu also combined a Wing Chun school with a boxing school, so I think he also has a lot of experience in that. Ranton does make a good point though that you have to be careful that Wing Chun gives you too much confidence too quickly and then you take more risks which can cost you dearly, it is indeed good to recognize what the limitations are of Wing Chun and not think that because you have taken some Wing Chun classes that you can take on the whole world. Though this applies to every martial art in principle, but especially to Wing Chun because it is true that Wing Chun takes longer to get to a level where it is sufficient for self-defense simply because there is so much technique involved, so you're also more likely to do something wrong, but if you master it all well it is certainly a good martial art for self-defense on it's own (although obviously a combination of multiple martial arts is better), untill then your best bet is to run in most cases of being attacked.
I grew up in a rough neighborhood and have always seemed to find myself drawn to tough situations. I went into law enforcement when I was 24 and spent 25 years as a corrections officer. One of the most important things I learned was to never back down, never show weakness, never show fear. Predators sense fear, predators love to give chase, predators seek out the weak. The surest way to get in a fight with a bully is to act like you don't want to fight. It's like throwing chum in the water. You can't outrun a bullet and getting stabbed in the back while running away won't hurt less than getting cut while facing and fighting a person with a knife. That's what I've learned in my real world experience. Ultimately the best idea is to not go where someone might pull a gun or a knife. If that's not an option you better know how to handle yourself, show confidence whether you feel it or not, and be ready to deal with confrontations without provoking them. "Life is no easyoh!"
Everything you mentioned here is the truth. I had roughly 25 fights by the time I graduated from high school and I was the church kid that sang in the choir. Your reasons are one of my reasons for spending time in the military. Unfortunately, having to deal with violence seemed like part of the deal when it came to life, so I decided to be able to do it well and survive. Ironically, since the age of 15, it seems the older I've gotten, the less need I've had for fighting skills. That's just fine by me, but one should never not be prepared to, especially with threats like tyrannical governments looming on the horizon EVERYWHERE!
@@americanosbadassius9292 Agreed. The older I've gotten the less often I've had to fight. I would never seek out a fight, and would never advise anyone else to do so. I despise bullies. But you must always be prepared for a fight, either to defend yourself and your loved ones, or to defend your community, country and freedom in general. If you are not growing you are dying. If freedom is not growing it is dying. Let freedom live! Freedom is our creed!
I feel that someone who trains Wing Chun with absolute devotion could potentially adapt the style if they're willing to train against MMA fighters. Sparring with a well tested fighting format like MMA is a great way to adapt any traditional style for practical application, it just takes creativity, observation skills, and a willingness to adapt. Personally, I've never trained much Wing Chun, but I do see potential in its various forms.
I feel like most martial arts, the principles are USUALLY pretty sound. But then the practice will get a little wonky. Love your approach here sir 👏👏
Also, karate is the same way
love that your here for this vid seth!
Colab when?
I'm so happy Rantoni is slowly creeping his way into the Martial Arts TH-camr bubble. This is just what I needed
Come to Germany and collab Seth
Thanks for the shoutout Ranton! I'm really glad you're bringing attention to these subjects. Traditional martial arts can offer a lot as long as they are transparent and honest in what they offer without misleading the students and/or pretending to be something they are not. The more people will know what some martial arts and what they aren't, the better choices they will make when choosing a martial art. So thanks again for bringing up this subject!
Is it sunday yet?
@@Veckler Hahahahaha. Almost 😁🤯
I really want you guys to do a collab, I'm a big fan of both you AND ranton and it'd be so cool to see you talk about martial arts together in a collab video! Make it happen!
The youtube martial arts cinematic universe is expanding, I see
OMG this is so nice to see! I would love to see you guys collab haha Linkejimai is Anglijos Rokai :)
I am 64 years old, I began training in Boxing at 12 and at 15 I found a Wing chun class that impressed me to no end. I had attempted to join a Shaolin school located at 34ths street Braoday in Manhattan, but they did not spar at all, Pretty moves, but coming from a boxing back ground, it sucked. However the Wing chun school I joined, with Sifu Duncan Leung, had us sparring on day 1!They especially liked me because of my boxing background. To this day I coach boxing and use many wing chun principles. In a nut shell, I don't care what TMA you practice, if you don't spar, you will never make it work. After my Sifu left the states, every Wing chun school (in fact all Kung fu and Karate) I visited were focused on uniforms and Kata. I was used to punching and getting punched. So I dropped out of martial arts and continued boxing. I still have my wooden dummy and practice wing chun forms. what I have learned is that not every technique is effective every time. Real fighting is chaotic. Also, I feel that Wing chun is more of a grappling art rather than striking, Chi sao works great for me in boxing as I tie up an opponent, and in grappling, the unconventional attacks throw people off, but no technique works great ALL the time. 50 % skill, 50 % luck, 100 % circumstance. Thats real
Hello! Thanks for the comment. Any recommendation in a good wooden dummy that wont brake the bank?
cheapest I found was like 500 on Amazon. bit they run 6 to 1000 depending. the ones that are held of the floor in the game give the best use, but a corned one or freestanding will do the trick
You just told your whole life story but without videos it’s like not having a receipt.
@tonyvalente you missed the point completely,. In my time there were no cell phones. All om saying is, all martial arts are good as long as they have realistic sparring drills. I have tons of videos of me teaching boxing but that doesn't have anything to do with my statement
@@tonyvalenteand you shouldnt take part in a conversation about effective Wing Chun when you do not know who Duncan Leung is 😂
This video-essay type content is amazing, you're an incredible writer. Your points are clear, concise, and easy to follow (also love your vocabulary, eg "praxis-oriented" "self-aggrandizing" "litigious"). The diversity of your channel is absolutely unique, and you do it all well
lol sounds like you’re trying to get max points on an school assignment that tasks you with responding to other students. But, I agree.
@@theskullblaze1 that shit is always annoying
@@theskullblaze1 just to piggy back off what you said... lol it does kinda seem like I got paid to write that comment. Idk, I just felt like paying respect to Anton since he's disappeared before and I want him to keep making content haha. He's prob my favorite youtuber rn
@@sxrub3310 lol recieving honest feedback from other students/peers isn't annoying, it's how you improve from constructive criticism.
@@chilliam00 nah it's mostly just shit like "yes you are right, i agree with your point" that aint constructive
I practiced wing chun for 2 years, and I enjoyed every aspect of the martial art. What I did not like was my sifu filling my head with the idea that I could fight anyone with the practical application of wing chun. The longer I practiced it, the more I realized that I would never win a fight in real life. My sifu was over exaggerating what we were learning every day. With that in mind, I continued training in wing chun for fun and I met many great people during that time.
I had the same experience! I bought into it the first year, then I started watching wing Chun vs videos on TH-cam and was like "oh this man is lying!"
@Ur Nemesis delusion rather than lies
My experience too! When I realised that in a self defence scenario i would revert to a martial art i did over 10 years previously, I knew I was done.
Don't know man, one guy did Wing Chun in street fight, he permanently damaged the guys throat, damaged the guys left eye and ripped his ears off, it got so bad, he kicked him on the back of his head.
The term is "exaggerating". There is no such thing as overexaggerating. Do you over realize how silly it can over become? :) I know people keep using it, but it's dumb. Don't be dumb. You can be better.
I like how real you keep it. I'm a veteran and have seen combat. We train and train and train for pretty much any situation you can imagine but when the actual combat happens most of that training goes out the window for most people because it never starts the way you expect it. You can train as much as you like but nothing teaches like actual experience.
Not nearly as wild as being a veteran, but this kinda fits here: I've been practicing Taekwondo in my teens, and was fairly successful in tournaments. However: tournaments aren't the same thing as getting attacked on the street. In tournaments, or fighting sports in general, there are rules. Not following them can get you disqualified, and just about nobody wants that.
On the streets, or in your case combat, an opponent or enemy most likely won't follow any of those rules, it's not a controlled setting.
I hope you didn't have it too bad, I can't begin to imagine what sort of hell actual combat really is
I've had an interesting perspective as a bouncer at an Irish Pub in downtown San Diego and working at a psych hospital as well. My experience maybe 2-3 strikes and then grappling, on the ground, usually. But the psych hospital was an authentic 'fighting for your life' situation. A good amount of clawing and biting, so staying calm and keeping ur head on a swivel was way more important than technique. I just usually grabbed someone's wrist & bicep and pulled them toward my direction on the ground. Generally less violent punchy motions happen there. Lol.
I could see how you'd really need to have experience to effectively use combat training when your adrenaline is up and getting knocked around and don't have time to think.
My Dad was a really wild kid starting in the 1960s who apparently used to fight for “the fun of it”. He took Judo classes which was highly uncommon back then and he could handle pretty much anybody who wanted the smoke. He told me if things got out of hand numbers wise, he would take the steel chain off of his biker boots and start swinging. Aiming mostly for the eyes. I cant even imagine what this man was like back then. He was a very angry man my whole life though who could reduce you to the verge of tears with just a look
This video made me feel so much better about the school my son trains in! The Sifu is so humble and positive, and never bad mouths other styles or schools. He's even honest about what works or doesn't work in a street fight. He also loves that my son has other training (Taekwondo and Krav Maga) Thank you so much for this!
Great to hear that! I do have to say it is dangerous your son is training Krav Maga, as it was designed by Israeli special forces to kill. The problem with the fact that every move his designed to kill is that: i) you can't practice sparring properly as you'll kill the other student and ii) if he really is training Krav Maga and is good at it then when he does get into a fight, he'll kill someone or seriously injure them. The latter means that you'll be in court in most jurisdictions, rather than safely away at home recovering from a couple of bruises and laughing about the scuffle. Again, good to hear about your son's training though and don't mean this to be a downer but just a heads up!
If you do an unhealthy complexion 9 times in a task you are very bad. Get good always do better. If you are doing very costly less less less no. If you are always doing the method, then remove blockages.
@@ArgenYargen Krav Maga is bullshit. Its the fact that you wont be able to apply it properly given that you cant train it in real time, and the whole "designed by israeli special forces" is also bs, how many times do you hear about the army or special forces getting into hand to hand combat? They might train it sure but it doesnt make it effective. His son should stop training it sure, but not because its too dangerous, because there are better martial arts to train
@@ArgenYargen what a load if crap. I practiced Krav Maga and you are definitely NOT trained to kill. They have stripped Krav Maga into three levels: civilian Krav maga, law enforcement krav maga and military krav maga. Where a soldier learns to kill a civilian learns to inflict pain/damage enough to escape or to stop the threat.
@@jgappy5643I'd use the only move that Goku never stole from anyone. It always works.
Ip Man 1 is such a vibe. One of the most satisfying parts of the movie is showing other styles and masters using there fighting styles! You get scenery and atmosphere before the fire nation attacks. It makes you appreciate the beginning so much more!
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Mike Tyson said it best. “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face”. 😂😅😂😅😂
And then Buster Douglas knocked him the f#@# out :D
@@kirvedx Doesn't change his words though. He had a plan until HE himself got hit.
The style of wing chun showcased in the movies is a lot more dynamic than how people practice it in real life. Donny Yen slips punches, covers up for incoming attacks, and employs a lot of strategies outside of the regular curriculum. Of course Donny Yen did the choreography, and has a lot of different styles under his belt.
Actually Sammo Hung did the choreography for Ip Man. Same for Prodigal Son which was seen as the best Wing Chun movie for ages
@@aquaticlibrary Oh, well he did a great job. I haven't seen Prodigal Son, but I'd love to see more of Sammo's work. I was bummed out when I ran out of Ip Man to watch.
Any time we seem a martial art being displayed outside of forms, and I include the many kung-fus and karate and etc, it goes either way: the person is brutally destroyed, OR, the whatever martial art behaves and looks like kickbox. Samey, boring (but tried and tested), both-hands-up-protecting-the-face, straight punches, lateral and frontal kicks.
When I say boring I mean the watcher is not caught by any flamboyance, it will look pretty much the same and so there is nothing that says 'ah yes, this is X martial art made for shorter people who fought on boats and hills so they had unstable footing so the movements are shorter', or 'ah yes, Y martial art, the ones who invented this were heavier and taller so they relied on brute force'.
It just all looks like kickbox pretty much, and martial arts practioners will *hate* that.
@@CedricDur I know that, but wing chun specifically doesn't condone high kicks, and Donny Yen kicks people in the face all the time in those films. He uses his whole resume with a wing chun flair for those films. Artistic license. The film wasn't really about wing chun anyway, it was about Ip Man.
It's honestly just choreographed, fantasy stuff. IRL, there would be grappling and people would be knocked out or dazzled with a huge punch or two.
Who doesn't love wuxia fighting tho?
Gus Thomas: "Mr. Wilson, karate is one of the oldest forms of self-defense known to man."
Grady Wilson: "It ain't older than running."
And running ain't as old as climbing. 🐒
@@bennichols1113 what about crawling?
@@Viewer13128 indeed
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sanford and Son
As someone who used to practice the art and teach it, you are spot on about the politics, egos and practice methods. Most especially the part when you said AT LEAST attend a session of boxing. Because I did the same thing and several years later, I am now into Boxing(competed), Muay Thai, BJJ and ultimately, MMA. I saw Rokas' video few years back, and like what I said in that video, you guys hit the nail on the head describing the culture of practicing WC. People even invent their own self-defense achievements saying they beat up some thief trying to pick their pockets etc. They are prone to self-aggrandization since they don't spar therefore not being exposed to violence. And they've got egos. Sparring humbles you and determines where you are in the skill hierarchy, which is consistent to most of the gyms I went to. Sparring is crucial in reminding you how much you suck, that you are not that special, keeps your head on the ground.
Wing Chun works best when you use it offensively I think.Like hit first hit hard and keep hitting.Good for reflexes and speed.It ends there.
I’m glad my Wing Chun school didn’t advertise at all. LMAO Literally just a bunch of kung fu enthusiasts in a warehouse storage/office district that opens after work and we’d practice Hung Gar Nei Kung, Tai Chi, Choy Lay Fut, and Wing Chun. No nonsense about authenticity or school politics. 🥰
Also the only “advertisement” they did was a morning hour long exercise program for ppl to warm up their bodies like chi kung. No word of martial arts at all. I only found out by word or mouth from my mom who heard the name which had Wing Chun in it. hahahah
Update: school closed down a couple years ago and then opened back up but idk what happened after that. It’s been a while 😭.
Name is Đông Phương Hội Vịnh Xuân Quyền - Far East Association Wing Chun Kuen
i meant usually low profile schools don't really need advertise, you just have to understand your ability, not show off. i've seen many kungfu schools promote alot just for the sake of money.
Kinda same here, we have two Sifu in our school, we have Do-in, Qigong, Groundfight, also physical conditioning (Kettlebell), also we learn the usage of staff (the six and half pole only used by those who are experienced, others learn easier northern shaolin forms with smaller length staff), we do sparring, not just chi sao. The teachers really self-defense oriented, and they are always open about what should do, and do not in self defense, how not to get into a fight (so kinda psychology thing), also they borrowed elements from Jeet Kune Do, BJJ, and street fight (not much but there are way effective self defense methods there so they applied them)...In my opinion Wing Chun works, but you need the sparring, to really learn the pak sau and bong sau and the others, also you need physical condition, wing chun ha a lot of tool where you use the attackers force, but if you are in danger a good palm strike can save you life...after that if you have the upper hand you run...
Choy li fut is lethal. Good stuff
Sounds like a fantastic school.
Not only is the Wing Chun in Ip Man Choreographed, giving an unrealistic idea of it's effectiveness the fact that it's choreography is devised to have Donnie Yen be the performer pushes that illusion even further. Because even compared to other martial arts actors and real fighters, Donnie Yen's is ridiculously charismatic and his hand and foot speed is just obscenely fast. All action choreography is meant to make the hero's style look effective, but Donnie Yen is the master of selling that conceit. I mean, look at the new John Wick movie; Donnie is so good at moving on screen (even now that he's getting old and isn't as quick and dynamic as he used to be) that he can almost make the `blind assassin' trope feel believable, not just with swords but even when they're all using guns!
TLDR: Remember that whoever you are you are not Donnie Yen, the actor, let alone the fictionalized version of Ip Man that Donnie Yen portrays.
Honestly you're right - I've done Muay Thai - BJJ - Kick boxing. Going fill tilt on a Wing chun proctor they don't hold a candle. The moves they lean go out the window once the kicks - punches and take downs head their way.
Thats the thing. Donnie yen could make it work because he is crazy skilled martial artist. Anyone else who isnt master level and skilled in multiple styles could never make it work.
@@lastninjaitachi the thing is, what you just said is insanely idiotic.
@@delacroixii not really. Your commenting on a video of a guy who is legit a serious martial artist who is saying the same thing.
Being a student of Wing Chun nearly 40 years ago, the presentation of it in this film series is completely unrealistic. Choreographed is not the word I would use. Fake would be my term. And I have found the art to be very effective. EDIT: The modern instruction of Wing Chun is NOT Wing Chun. I dont know what it actually is, but my instruction included grappling, kicks and punches in concert with evasion and redirection. EDIT@: Even tho I consider it fake, I did enjoy the show. Much the same way I know Avengers is fake. A well told story is always better than a boring one. Fake or not.
Talking about "don't let anyone argue you out of your own personal enjoyment of something" is just the best advice! Thank you!
I actually watched Ip Man fairly recently, and I have to say I absolutely loved it. Donnie Yen did an absolutely amazing job and the fight choreography is some of the best I've seen in any movie. I'm so glad you decided to talk about this amazing film!
Also, fun fact, Donnie Yen actually broke one of Mike Tyson's fingers during the fight scene.
Edit: I'm rewatching this again and something popped into my head. Bruce Lee (who was trained by Ip Man) created his own style. He invented Jeet Kune Do, which was based around Wing Chun, Tai Chi, Boxing, Jujutsu, Taekwondo, and even Fencing. Bruce Lee took Wing Chun and mixed it with all of these other martial arts to create an effective and powerful combination. It makes sense, on its own Wing Chun is somewhat effective in certain cases but has its flaws, but when paired with another martial art it can truly shine.
Makes sense, there usually isn't someone dumb enough to strike elbows with the center of their fists instead of first two knuckles.
Donnie thanks God it was only a movie🤣🤣
Have you seen the raid?
Best fight choreography since Ong bak
@@nUmBskulLL watch warrior 2019 series
@@MD-br2my thank you! Always looking for martial arts films
Have you seen Kenshin? It's sword play but it's absolutely brilliant
Bruce Lee was the perfect example of "take what is useful, get rid of what is useless" when creating his own form of self defence.
Jeet kune do
Bruce Lee had HUGE respect for his master Ip Man, and two of Ip Man's students (William Cheung and Wong Shun Leung: Bruce's Si-Hings in Wing Chun). Bruce also told his students that he considered his senior (Si-Hing) William Cheung, to be the best street fighter he'd ever seen. Dan Inosanto admitted so in the Preface of the book 'Bil Jee - The Art of Thrusting Fingers' by William Cheung. Let that sink in. :)
@@sifudominiqueemond6292 You know, knowing a martial art and being a good street fighter are kinda two different things. I mean, it's barely ever a 1 v 1 situation, at some point beer bottles or other scrap at hand comes into play and it usually devolves into a straight up messy brawl in a matter of 10-20 seconds and if you ever fall down your side is probably lost. Also, nobody is immune to being hit from a blind spot.
I agree. But it still doesn't change what Bruce thought of these people. :)
@@sifudominiqueemond6292 I'm guessing you are William cheung lineage or under him in some form or shape correct?
I studied Kenpo Karate first and then later GJJ but I wanted to try Wing Chun. I felt that the sensitivity drills and training surprisingly improved my ground game. I was able to better feel and focus on the muscle twitches and preemptive movements of my opponent during rolls. Although it wasn't a silver bullet, I do believe that it was a significant improvement for me.
exactly, like Ranton said I feel that Wing Chun is a very useful SUPPLEMENTARY martial arts style to help improve your fighting skills, I just wouldnt recommend it as someone's only style to practice. Plenty of martial arts have incredibly beneficial training tools or techniques, thats why its very useful to study a variety of styles and find the techniques and skills that work the best for you and incorporate all of them together, instead of strictly sticking to one thing
Nice
Dude, you should really do a video on the Chinese MMA fighter that destroys fake masters, he’s so interesting
he did i think
He mentioned Xu in one of the fake martial arts video and is interested to do a full video on it. It could be a project in making
@@matthew-2484 the worst that his situation got was getting fined and banned from public transportation by some court, it’s all over now and he’s a mini celebrity in China. He’s subtly indicated many times that he’s a dissident and a liberal. He has hung out with multiple media personalities that are open liberals.
He beat up some frauds, sure authorities got annoyed cause he was stirring shit up. After all, organizing public duels is illegal.
I’m glad he did what he did, I am annoyed that now people think the CPC fetishizes Kung Fu, could not be more false, politicians don’t give a shit about martial arts.
he's the fake
and you're the dummy.
I did wing chun for about 13 months. As I had no real experience of other martial arts I can say wing chun has helped me a lot both in my physique but also my ability to fight ( compared to nothing ofc). My school was amazing. We had practice every day (mon-friday) for about 2.5 hours. My sifu was well trained and I knew for a fact he had spent about 5 years in china learning too so he was not taught just in my country. Anyway, the training regime was tough and we had sparring sessions at least twice a week, sometimes even 4. He would also bring athletes from other martial arts to discuss their style and what we could have done to defend against certain moves using wing chun with showcases and some practice too. My sifu had done other styles too so he never claimed wing chun is the god of martial arts or anything and he always said if you can avoid a battle, always do it and not just for your own safety but the safety of others and the environment too. You don't want to go destroy property around you or the day of fellow customers in a shopping centre for example. We were to use it only as our last resort if we could not do anything else. I am sad I had to move town for work. Never had the time nor the trust to go to another school since then, I think there are teachers who are charlatans and promote violence. That said, I might start looking from 2024 as I really miss the training.
Did your sifu have to defeat all the others before opening his martial arts school?
@@userunknown1578Lmao 😂
what a experience! godspeed to you and hte best of lucks finding your right school
@@marcoosorio3705 thx a lot. I rly wish that too
Dude, my Wing Chun trainer was short & covered in bruises & was missing teeth....
Wing Chun is about speed & surprised attacks.
It's supposed to give advantage to a woman who is attacked by a bigger man.
She supposed to swing & hopefully break the nose of the attacker & get away.
It's offensive martial arts.
It's not about the power.
It's about the speed & confusing & disorienting the attacker.
Training martial arts just for fun is so underrated in my opinion. It’s a great hobby! There are so many physical and psychological benefits to it, and it’s a shame to me that so many people see training that doesn’t work for self defense as worthless.
Why have fun in a “martial art” that doesn’t work when there are many that do work but can give you that same pleasure. Self defense isn’t fun & games real stuff can happen to people you NEED to be learning to defend yourself especially in 2024 not wasting money to have fun when you could do something that is of use
@@augustine2024 Because martial arts aren’t for self defense. Keep in mind that fighting is not the same as self defense. Someone who has won 6 fights is good at fighting, but someone who has never fought in their life is good at self defense. Stay out of secluded areas at night. Remain in plain sight. If someone is asking to fight you, refuse. If they try to attack, run. That’s what self defense is. Learning how to fight definitely can be useful, but it only comprises about 5% of self defense. Simply walking to the bus with a friend is far more likely to keep you safe than learning to fight.
I think Wing Chun can be great for self-defense, if you have a good teacher (like Francis Fong). But people use Wing Chun in boxing matches and then are surprised when they lose to boxers. It's really not designed for the ring, not without some major modifications anyway.
@austinmanning749 because they won't give you the same pleasure? And martial arts are honestly mostly pointless for self-defense. Practice situational awareness, deescalate and walk armed with at least spray and a taser if you really want a last resort.
martial arts also have the effect of an improved self esteem and that makes you wanting to stand your ground
then you can end up in a bad situation, if you only did it for fun
I studied many martial arts. Including Wing Chun off and on for 6 years. Last July I started boxing. As a kid and adult I loved watching boxing. Studying it made me have a whole new respect. You just don't know how hard it is! Boxing has definitely improved my fighting ability, and has given me a much greater defense than any martial art has. Not to mention the conditioning and realism. Getting in the ring and sparring with the coaches was a major eye opener!
Lack of sparring is always the first indicator that you're in a McDojo instead of a real martial arts club. I've been to a Tae Kwon Do club that didn't do sparring when I was younger and the teacher had this huge beer belly. They tended to focus on breaking thin wood planks above anything else to impress the parents and newcomers. A real shit show. Quit after 2 months of that bullshit, went to a better club that did physical conditioning and sparring olympic style. Almost 15 years later I have a drawer full of golden medals from international competitions and I've learned multiple martial arts.
i did box for a while and recently got into wing chun . i felt wing chun has improved my boxing with out a doubt .
@@rudyleon7321 awesome! I absolutely love Wing Chun. It's a beautiful and addicting art. It helped my hand speed, reaction time and short range power. As well as relaxation and being balanced using my left hand almost as good as my right hand. I plan to go back one day. I have an incredible Sifu. He is an amazing martial artist and human being and almost like a Father to me.
That's pretty interesting - I practiced Kickboxing for about 6 years and Wing Chun for about 1 year but my experience was exactly the other way round. I felt like Kickboxing was of course a very strong fighting style but you're extremely dependent on your physical stature - during training I experienced on a regular basis that taller ppl with an equal amount of training just have an insane advantage what frustrated me a lot (I'm barely 1,80m). Wing Chun on the other hand gave me the feeling that it is way more important to train your technique properly and focus on using the right form at the right time. I can't say that I'm really able to fight with Wing chun after practicing it only for 1 year but that's my take on the debate.
@@bluefox9436 I can't stress enough trying your Wing Chun against other styles. I learned the hard way that it's almost impossible to Pak Sau a really fast jab!
Spot on my friend. If I’m honest, every art is guilty of exaggerating it’s ‘self defence’ ability and many people learn the hard with a beating…
Fantastic video. Thank you. I truly appreciate your honesty, positivity, and philosophy. Spot on.
Having been in a situation involving two attackers with knives in the back of a car, I used all of my training to...
Just prevent escalation till I could kick the window out and jump out of the car. Till this day Im thankful for having a truthful and realistic sensei.
Nigerundayooo smokey
Smart. Yeah... i have a lot of training & sparring with knives and the sparring teaches you that you don't ever want to be on the other end of a knife. Much better to talk your way out of it and/or run.
Whenever the topic of knife "fights" comes around I like to advise the video of the stabbing in a train station in Brisbane in 2022.
The whole thing was over in under 10 seconds. Dude got stabbed in the throat and that was it. It happend incredible fast, and I'm sure noone involved had any skill im any sort of martial art.
The point is:
Avoid a confrontation with a knife at all costs.
@@Kremit_the_Forg correct Kermit, usually people don't know they have stabbed UNTIL they've been stabbed.
Blicky reigns supreme in a fight nobody is bulletproof deescalation is the best strategy unless you’re sure they’re unarmed
I did Wing Chun for about 3 years and always really enjoyed it i was doing more as a way to socialise and keep in shape, the fact that it was martial arts or training how to fight wasn't what brought me in personally. I trained under Master Frank Roach in the UK who trained in china in his 20s then came back to the UK to teach. The big take away from doing it was fight avoidance. "Theres no point getting stabbed over a phone" as he put it. I learnt alot of important life lessons that ive really benefitted from in my life and i dont regret practising at all and would highly recommend to anyone interested in martial arts to give wing chun a try themselves before forming too strong an opinion. Just to also clarify Wing Chun isnt the only martial art ive practised, i also have 2 year experience in Karate and dabbled in boxing a few times.
12:10 I just came across your video and really enjoyed it. Thanks for your honest and reality based perspective! Very refreshing. I’ve be a student of traditional Okinawan Karate for about 50 years (Uechi-Ryu), and simply for the reason that it’s the only form of exercise that ever captured my imagination. I simply love training in it. And while there are numerous benefits in narrow and deep training in this discipline, there is no better way to keep oneself safe than understanding how to simply avoid physical altercation in the first place.
I’ve been fascinated by Wing Chun from the Ip Man movies as well, and have considered learning more about it. Thanks so much for this commentary! Was excellent and really helpful.
This is so spot on to my own experience. I trained Wing Chun as my first martial art and thought it was the best and that I was ready to take on anyone. Then a buddy invited me to come along to his BJJ class and it was a massive eye opener. Lots of sparing and they had a kickboxing class to round out the students skills. Made me realise how impractical my skills were training with them for one day.
Bjj is a complete different martial art . Can’t compare the two
@@korranis1 he's not comparing, he's saying Wing Chun sucks (which it does) and the skills he did learn would be useless against someone who knows Bjj
Well in that case… I agree. Fuck wing chun lol 😂
Not really, problem is his school it the art
The most important lesson that permeates across the movies I've seen is that it's not the martial art, it's the martial artist that matters.
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The way you train also matters. And some techniques just don't work in real life.
And that is BS the martial art does matter, doesn't matter how "good" you are at Aikido, BJJ is more efficient and will always prevail.
@@ramonfernandomirandanoguei365 Yeah.... no
Fact I don't understand is that ip man could have using southern style. Instead he uses WING CHUN and PROCLAIMS that style doesn't matter. For it is IIIIIII the wing chunner who determines style is not important!!
I was kinda lucky that my Wing Chun class (which I took for a few months) did have sparring on a regular basis. Some former students even implemented kickboxing into their pratice, and they came every now and then to spar. It's still really limited type of sparring, but it's better than nothing.
I spent 10 years in wing chun starting before the movies came out. I was fortunate the school I was at was very pragmatic, even having us spend time on ground game with jiu jitsu and encouraging us to learn and integrate ideas from other schools once we hit the mid levels. I found it to be an excellent first art to build a foundational understanding of fighting and encourage anyone to take it up, but the best self-defense will always be the following:
1) a cool head never looking for a fight
2) good situational awareness
3) good negotiation skills
4) good athletic footwear
5) a concealed handgun
Serious Ranton is like a completely different person from Rantoni-Pepperoni we get in game reviews .. when you see him you know he deeply cares about the subject of the video, excellent video as usually and very well-made points.
Lmao
as a practitioner of historial european martial arts, primarily with italian style rapier (hoping to look into forms of longsword and spanish rapier one day), the contrast between eastern martial arts and european is pretty wild. i can't quite phrase how strange i find it, but it just IS strange when it comes to how these ways of fighting are approached in both learning and application
You are a true scholastic warrior who has understood, embraced and applied the essence of martial arts and self cultivation. Keep up the incredible work.😊
About the same how I've felt on it throughout my own ongoing Martial Arts journey. I started with western styles in HEMA, learning Ringen, empty hand fighting by Fiore, as well as training with arming sword, round shield, spear, so on and so forth. It helped starting there a lot because there are so many different styles that just fall under the umbrella term of HEMA. So it helped me learn fairly early on that just about every martial art has something to glean from and should be treated as just another tool in your toolbelt. If you practice just one thing and never even consider another style then you're just setting yourself up for failure.
A supplement. Well said. Where innovative Wing Chun inspires me is it's no BS approach and the Leopard notion of getting to the point first in a fight. You can go on all day about "real fights" but a good block and throat punch ends a fight. Wing Chun does not discriminate. Eyes, throat, any breathing apparatus... a knee. Wing chun can cripple if properly applied and with little energy and movement. The illusion is the notion that one should not go "too far". That's nice for film. In reality crippling your opponent can save your life or another's, a morality beyond "I don't wanna fight".
As you pointed out, nothing wrong doing Wing Chun or any other physical training. The mindset and the goal behind matters. I learned Karate and Tae Kwon Do and from my experience, it works fine with an opponent who is doing the same stuff. On the street, very rarely I had a profit from my knowledge.
You said it perfectly. when basic insticts like fear kicks in, the world looks completely different. And it's normal as under training conditions these circiumstances don't get applied and of course shouldn't.
I think boxing and jujitsu are the 2 arts that actually work in the real world.
Half of learning to fight is adrenaline control.
This is why we train so we don't have to think when your body knows what to do fear aside you will protect yourself. As a survivor of some brutal beat downs I thank my teachers for showing me how to survive.
Half true, I think when it comes to unarmed combat, military combat comes first (which yes, use boxing, Muay Thai, BJJ, etc.) but u gotta take into account you can gouge people’s skin and eyes as well as bite off flesh from each other in true unarmed combat. Besides, this “true unarmed combat” isn’t even real world combat because of so many other factors. But yeah, boxing and bjj would definitely help you better in a real world situation than wing chun
You should pressure test it if your training for survival. For me there is levels of pressure. Thats what keeps you level headed.
During the English dub, I felt physical pain.
I can tell the german dub is about 1 to 2 leagues better. I also often have the problem with eng dub that it's just too quiet.
The original with English subtitles is universes better. That's how I watched it, anyway.
@@seijikun791 That's how I watch every movie nowadays. I just can't stand the sub-par voice acting done by dubbers 99% of the time. Even if they do their best, the mismatch between voice and lip movements is so obvious that it ruins the immersion.
@@bytefu The only dubs that do justice to originals are the ones in anime, imo. And even then, it really depends on what you watch.
The most useful martial art I practiced was old school boxing. It was a REAL old school boxing. Warmup was 1-2 hours. Technique was ~30 min and sparing was ~10-20 min. Shadow boxing was ~30 min. Each session was 2.5-4 hours long.
Just so u guys know, 10 min of full resistance sparring is A LOT. And the reason most of our time spent 'warming-up' was because the most important thing in fighting is PHYSICAL CONDITIONING. Yes, MORE than technique.
Some examples from our ~2 hours warmup:
basketball, sand-ball ball passing, tennis ball vs the wall (throw with one hand into the wall, catch with the other, smaller balls which i don't know how to write their type- for more advanced students), jumping rope (gets ur pulse to 170+ in less than 5 seconds EASILY if u actually know how to jump, lots of running and jumping.
We were a small group of about 10 people. After a session I was soaked to the bone, and the smell of my own sweat was so strong, it was even revolting for myself LMAO. Great times, 10/10 would go back to those times again if I could.
For context, the few times I had to fight, I was extremely scared I would get to legal troubles, as in 2 of those times the other dude was knocked unconscious\barley conscious, on asphalt. Another very important point, hands were not made to throw such strong punches as you learn how to throw in classical boxing. I am very serious, if you hit the wrong body part, with the wrong amount of force, you WILL hurt your own hand, and can DEFINITELY break it, and suffer an irreversible damage to your finger dexterity.
Avoid violence, it's not worth it.
Boxing has always stood out to me as by far a top 5 practical martial art.
can confirm both pinkies fracked and hands are mangled, dont hit people with out protection!! or you mess up your hands! Or better yet avoid fighting people over stupid shit! LOL!
man, preach.....10 minutes of straight up sparring is a torture test in the ring
Loved the last sentence.
Seems like very intense training. How many times a week and was it just a hobby or something more serious?
I enjoy how you encourage practitioners to expose themselves to other styles. I do wish you would have touched on how we can see the successful points of the philosophy of Win Chun, as well as the tactical concepts, and I believe investigation into the successes of other styles will eventually lead one to understand the strengths and weaknesses of one's own. Great video!
Cool video man!! I don´t think I'll ever practice wing chun, because I'm already practicing 4 martial arts (judo, gojuryu karate , aikikai aikido and Tomiki aikido. However, I think it´s important to distinguish LEARNING a martial art and USING IT for self-defense. Here in Japan we just practice because we like, but nobody ever talks about using it. Only one time my aikido teacher said that one should avoid confrontation and only use if there´s no way of getting away.謝謝你
I think it is also worth mentioning that the whole point of Wing Chun (and most other styles of Chinese martial arts) is to eventually be able to fight with the designated weapons. In the case of Wing Chun, the designated weapon is the dual knives. The iconic cyclic punches are more like cyclic stabs and this is also why traditional Wing Chun guard stance is at chest level instead of being at head level (there's not much to stab if you put your guard at head level). In other words, unlike MMAs, Kung Fu is not designed for fights in round cages. Also, since the mass introduction of firearms in modern China, the need for practicing fighting with melee weapons has gradually decreased, meaning that modern day Kung Fu is most likely a watered down version of the traditional Kung Fu, which was used to kill people. So to summarize, the punching and kicking that you see from modern Kung Fu are nothing but the training wheels that are supposed to eventually come off, and not moves are designed to be thrown around in a MMA fighting cage. Also, given that people are no longer really fighting with swords and spears, Kung Fu has been watered down over the years and has become more like a set of physical exercises rather than a set of killing moves for real fights.
Well, no wonder in Ip Man 3 the fights Donnie's "Ip Man" had with the other Wing Chun master flowed seamlessly into dual (short) blades as if wielding them was integral to the martial art, although ofc that's also excellent choreography at work.
>Wing Chun, the designated weapon is the dual knives
That make it sounds worse, not better. Wing Chun stance is foot forward without defending your bottom half, when you use something that short range as knives, it's so open to you getting sliced in the leg by a weapon longer than 2 centimeter, and spear is completely deadly against this shit.
>there's not much to stab if you put your guard at head level
There's a fuck lot to stab if you put your guard at head level, including but not limited to: foot, knee, thighs, stomach, liver, penis etc. The entire bottom half is free for all against wing chun practicioners, esp when you fucking step your foot forward. Actual dual knives wielder drop their stance down and have their foot behind them so they can guard their entire body with their knives and lunge forward for more reach against higher ranged weapons, like say... a sword
One stupid argument people made is wing chun is designed for on boats combat hence the weird foot forward stance. Newsflash, people dont fight on top of small boats, they shoot arrow from afar and try to sink other people boats. See the Bach Dang battle where the Mongol-Chinese force got completely sunk without being able to fight back. Because their "Wing Chun" dont actually prepared them for a real naval battle.
hey great insight dude, i didn't know this
Baji from the North descends from Ming dynasty spearmen, and the style builds up to spear - but also, I suspect a lot of it comes down to 'soldier came back to hometown, got beaten up by local drunk, got real pissed and decided to figure out how to make his weapons style useful enough to beat up the local drunk and a lot of fighting ideas directly translate anyways'. Wing Chun may be similar - might be build up to butterfly swords; might be the other way around; might be both.
These videos are always incredible to me. Not only are they informative and entertaining (both as a movie review and as a light dissection of martial arts) but they provide an interesting lens into the Ranton behind the Game Review persona. Thanks for sharing your insights, Rantoni.
Ah man. Thanks for that review. Loved your games reviews and I started learning Wing Chun this year mainly as a fitness tool. When I was starting to wonder if that would actually be useful in a real fight I immediately went to boxing and Muay Tai. You kinda confirm all of this. Still, I never faught a single fight in my entire life and it'll probably stay like that so whatever :) Just enjoy what you train!
Whoa man you really decided to practice your kicks on the bee tree.
Thanks for your honesty, it's helped me make a decision regarding my own training. I've incorporated some very basic Wing Chun concepts into my other systems and it's been quite helpful for conserving my endurance, counter-attacks, and even avoiding getting locked up in grapples, but I found out very quickly that it did nothing except stall the tide when I faced bigger opponents (I'm 6'1 lol). A supplementary implementation with stress testing is definitely a better approach than faith in any one system. Tools in the box, not the toolbox.
I started doing wing chun when I was around 17 or 18, and did it for about 3 or 4 years, and I absolutely loved it, we actually did quite a bit of sparring and my Sifu was big on learning the philosophy and applying it to life and not just fighting, but also being very practical while fighting as well, I’d would absolutely go back if I had the chance, also some of those exercises/workouts we did were pretty unique and have stayed with me till this day
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Is Wing Chun training for all ages ?
@@moustachio334 What is the point in saying anything if this is all you have to say?
I hardly ever comment on videos. My attention span is awful and I usually click away. I am hungover as I type this, but I have sat here and watched this video in it's entirety. The way you speak is so engaging and not once was I even distracted by something else. Keep doing what you're doing man, you have a real talent for speaking!
So funny to see the chaotic madness in him during game reviews... And then, there are these videos. Pure wisdom and respect. I love it.
5:30 after 5 years of thai boxing, 2 years of wing chun helped me understand better what i was actually doing, just like wushu helped me in the coordination and flexibility of my kicks. I then tryed out many other styles of fighting. It almost feels like i was somehow disabled before i startet doing more than one martial art XD. And then i realised that i was subconsciously finding my own style of doing stuff. Its like a child that learns to walk or speak. Its walking and talking sure, but its not like adults walk and talk.
It is a really unusually sane discussion of the subject. I used to practice WT years ago and had similar conclusion. Thanks, was a breath of fresh air to listen to you.
Yes! Absolutely love your take on this. As a Wing Chun practitioner myself for many many years, what I can tell is that Wing Chun itself is great when sparring or even fighting people that don't know much about fighting. When I try to use it during training at a martial arts gym such as kickboxing or muay Thai, I have much greater difficulty haha.
The concepts are definitely sound though! Just tough to apply in modern combat I'd say.
I've always viewed most Kung Fu films almost like modern super hero films and I've loved and been obsessed for years. I don't delude myself into thinking it's practical. Also Dragon Tiger Gate is a hilarious over the top awesome action flick of Donnie's. I'll never not enjoy watching him work.
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done with care,love and respect! more power to you brother!
As Bob Jones from Aus used to say 'get to reality'.
respect
Very accurate and honest review that many people need to hear. Against the untrained fighter it can be of some advantage, but against a skilled fighter in a host of other forms of fighting and self-defense it's nothing like the movies. My Sensei once told me the best fight is the one that never takes place. 🙏🏻
Interestingly enough a fight between different styles does not decide which style is best. the Winner of a fight simply is "a superior fighter". be it in better shape,, or better trained, or at the very least is better at his style than the opponent was of his style. Boxers refer to "a glass jaw". did you know there is the opposite of that. " head as hard as a rock". so there are those you can drop with out much effort and those that you can hit with full force, on the money , perfect mechanics and the turn their head back to you and say" is that all you got". .. NOW that is intimidating. LOL
"the best fight is the one that never takes place." What a ridiculous extrapolation of "best way to avoid punch, no be there" from Karate Kid II, meaning get out of the way, not avoid the fight. (though "prevent having to fight" was Miyagi's main message) According to that logic, the best sex is that which never takes place.
@@donferoce5652 sex hurts you? lmao
id love to see more of just reviewing classic kung fu movies and having your thoughts on opinions on them (even comedy ones like kung fu hustle which is secretly my favorite)
People with real technique and training tend to have real discipline.. hence they are never desperate enough to attack people. Attackers tend to be either desperate, drunk high or otherwise out of sorts, over confident, off balance, etc. unfortunately a small disciplined person has drilled instinctive reactions that will invariable end in broken bones, destroyed groin or crushed larynx… it will be over in seconds and the attacker won’t see it coming. Most of us with this discipline and training would rather avoid this situation and do. People looking to get into fights do, and get beat up just as much as they hurt others.
When my son was studying JKD, i appreaciated the Sifu never bad mouthed any other style or school. He was also clear to the students that, no matter how good you are, a fight will hurt you.
Okay now I want to see a Kung-Fu Panda video-essay as well, because I am very curious if the movie did the portrayal of Kung Fu, Chinese culture and philosophy right. Of course I want to know your personal opinion on it as well. Funny enough it is also one of the many movies alongside Shaolin (2011) and The Karate Kid (2010) that made me to start practicing Shaolin Kung Fu.
In real life, pandas just sit around watching panda porn all day while trainers try to get them to breed... They don't actually practice kung-fu, unfortunately.
Very very nice and down to earth. I like the techniques and insight that wing chun gives, and it is very raw, but still you can develope spirituality with it, and it's concepts. My main style is Jiu Jitsu, and I have done some Thai Boxing.
A lot of things depend on a great teacher and a balanced state of mind to truly enjoy, appreciate and grow.
Wow! More then 2000 comments.
Thanks a million Ranton. 1000 blessings forever!
This video is excellent. Thank you for sharing your insights.
I encountered this style at a very impressionable age, and i had a lot of resistance to it in the beginning, over time i learned many things that could be considered wing chun, but it was never pressure tested until i took myself out of the school and had to encounter other systems. I found that there WERE useful methods and mindsets in wing chun, especially in the trapping clinch and elbow department, but i had to actually spar to figure that out on my own after separating and reflecting. It was never ever going to come up inside the classes, nobody was ever going to get hurt and learn the more hard earned valuable lessons.
I have a very similar experience with Aiki-jutsu. The style I trained had many similarities to Aikido and Hapkido, including a high emphasis on small joint manipulations and virtually no sparring. Training in that style for 5 years, I could say it wasnt very practical, and it most likely wouldn't work against a competent attacker. I quit training it about 2 years ago to begin training in primarily BJJ and a bit of Freestyle Wrestling. I recently revisited the aiki-jutsu with some old friends and found that some of the techniques were more functional than I originally thought, and that I was even able to use some of the small joint locks in sparring. The sparring and physical skills I am learning in BJJ allow me to implement some more of the traditional things. I know martial arts journey is finding similar results.
I always say the combat sports like MMA are like the macro and other traditional martial arts are like the micro in combat. The macro makes much more of a difference in most fights but the micro can determine the outcome between 2 macro guys and also teach you a bunch of cool little things about combat.
I love how you speak truth and don’t care what anyone thinks. I fully agree with everything you’ve pointed out. Keep the Amazon content coming. Just got yourself a new subscriber!
I practiced Wing Chun for about 3 years or so during my teenage years but my master had us do sparring and learn things from other styles as well:
We did a bit of Shaolin for resistance and stretching, Sanda for kicking Qina for grappling I think it was, Muay Thai, breathing techniques, etc and we'd gather in a circle and fight until one of us got knocked to the floor.
It was around 9 or 10 years ago but I feel I learnt a lot and I value, respect and wanna keep learning Wing Chun in the future, not thinking it is the best in itself but with a mix what it does lack.
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I agree in most of what you said brother. I am a Level 9 provisional instructor of Wing Chun. I can attest to the fact that having additional disciplines increase your chances of success in the real world. Thankfully, I have study some Karate, Chinese Kickboxing and Tae kwon do. These skills have saved me a few times on the streets. No fight is the same. I always tried to walk away or de-escalate. Most times it works (95%). Great content brother. I will close with this…I wish I had learned BJJ. Very effective ground art.
What’s stopping you from learning BJJ now? It looks like you’ve taken interest in it.
@@shogoracing4294 I am actually looking into it now. Hopefully I can find a good school in Jacksonville, FL
@@terencebanyahudah5691 That’s cool. May you enjoy your experience and get the most out of the training. 🙏🏽
My background is primarily in Karate (Shotokan, and a hybrid system), Xingyi Quan, Taekwondo, dabbled in boxing, and have a little BJJ experience. Now I’m looking to learn BJJ (Gi + No-Gi) and Muay Thai.
Btw, have you ever done any western boxing? I always thought that it might work quite well with Wing Chun.
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I started training wing chun with 12 and did so for 4 years. The classes I went to where hardly a martial arts class. They where seriously informative courses. We had a really nice trainer who sometimes took us to get Ice cream. On the way she would ask us questions, how we would react, if a stranger strated talking to us. Where would we stand in relation to a car if they asked us to come closer? In the front ofcourse! If you approach them from behind, they can easily open the door and grab you. She always emphisized, that if we have a funny feeling walking down a street, change the roadside, go a different way. If you are in a fight and you see a potential escape route, use it! Nothing else matters. If you see knives? Run! Always scream and try to make a scene when you are in such a situation.
We had drills, where one was lying on the ground and you had to prevent a group of people from coming close to you. We had pads and all that and actually tried really hard to pounce on the person lying on the ground.
In between there where obviously form drills. We all knew this is not how you are supposed to fight in a fight. They where just there to generally train your body awareness.
For me as a child and teen it helped me a lot to feel safer. I was bullied in school and just felt unsave. I never had to get in a real fight and I hope to keep it that way: I really feel like it has made me more aware of my surroundings and being able to deascalete situations or just leaving before they happen.
The courses I went to really tried to make an effort to make kids more aware.
I've recently played Sifu and watched Ip man and so had gotten inspired to try a martial art as a method for fitness and focus. This was great insight so I feel prepared for what I'd be getting myself in for and what it's good for and definitely not good for (I hadn't really factored in using it for self defense so it's good to know I wasn't set on that!) There's a school nearby that teaches Wing Chun so i'm planning to visit it in the coming weeks. Thanks very much :D
i already had experience with martial arts when i got in to the wing chun. Sifu was pretty dedicated and trained under Ip Man's son Ip Ching. After 1-2 months later he put students into sparring etc. Students wasn't able to catch or parry any attacks at first so there were some blood not everyone wanted to continue. Then they changed the policy to make more money and they did it. Now they just do movements and practicing forms and nobody knows how to actually stand against brute force. I left the course went for muay thai for a while. Sifu is rich and happy now etc.
I have gained pretty interesting skills from wing chun ngl. But the mindset of wing chun is actually pretty hard to understand therefore even harder to execute against real brute force. If you keep sparring and also keep practicing your martial art, eventually you start to feel and understand what movement can come where usefully. So then ofc wing chun is usefull in some situations. Not all techn. are useful in every situation and if you blindly believe you gonna find out and do the right move in a real fight without years of experience. Sorry but nobody can do that its not about wing chun bro its about delusional people think they can fight.
Three months ago, I began boxing. As a fan of Bruce Lee and Ip Man movies, I idolized their impressive fighting skills, believing them to be the strongest individuals capable of defeating legends like Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali. However, my own martial arts experience was limited to just two years of kung fu when I was eight years old. As I grew older, I became more drawn to boxing, perhaps because I was perceived as weak by others.
Finally, when I turned 14, I decided to take my first boxing session on November 27th 2022 after months of persistent nagging to my parents. That single experience completely transformed my perception of fighting. After leaving that boxing session, I was struck with the realization that I wanted to become a boxer myself. Currently, I train three times a week and plan to start my amateur career soon. I strongly recommend anyone who has not trained in martial arts before to give boxing a try, as it may become a passion of yours.
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Dude, boxing is very unhealthy sport.
Some people become clinically paranoid, like someone is going to punch them any second now.
Deep sited eye sockets.... Perpetually moving & behaving like they are constantly in a boxing match.
Some become clinically angry & violent.
You see how Tyson or Ali or bunch of MMA guys act.
It's kind of mixture of fear & rage.
It's like they are terrified of being punched & they deal with it by being psycho aggressive.
My cousin became psycho aggressive from boxing.
He was totally normal kid. "Good" family & relatively privileged upbringing.
Then he went into boxing & he almost killed a couple of guys.
He would be in jail & double crazy, but his family had connections....
Very few can stay normal.
If you are taking boxing, don't go professional.
Even professional guys are pointing out that sparing is dangerous & not a good idea.
Too much of the head injuries.
Don't even go semi-professional.
It's just too much damage.
There is no need for that.
@@bestdjaf7499 cringe
@@neurocriptico
You obviously didn't take boxing.
What is cringe is Tyson or Ali or my cousin ... being legit lunatics.
Look at the Tyson or Ali interviews.
They are mentally unstable.
You literally can see fear & rage in there eyes.
THANK YOU Ranton! Reality-- what a breath of fresh air. I agree with your every point, which is rare for a cynic like me. Just before I found your video, I had to suffer through the willful ignorance of another Wing Chun video. The central (ludicrous!) point was that Wing Chun practitioners would destroy mixed martial artists if only there were no rules. Your video was very welcome catharsis for my disgusted mind. The least I can do is subscribe to your channel. I anticipate more of your thoughtful, incisive commentary, and I look forward to it. Cheers, Ian.
i always love the no non sense martial arts takes from ranton. i get turned off of alot of martial arts because of the self agrandizing and mystical 'powers' that always get preached about and i can really appriciate a martial arts practitioner who keeps it authentic and can advocate for the postives of a practice while not hiding from its shortcommings.
I love how he talks about self deftin true life threatening situations. I've been in a few (none combative, broken limbs in wilderness scenario) and I can tell you it takes a minute or thirty to come to grips with what is happening and how you can try to survive it. I fell down a cliff in the middle of a new moon night. On the way down jagged rocks stabbed me through the ribs. I landed in shallow water in an a blackberry patch, and when I hit the ground my head was launched backwards into the clifface behind me. I was bleeding and disoriented and every move I tried just dug blackthorns into me. I fought my way out of it, rather stupidly climbed a thirty foot sheer cliff face, and wandered for hours trying to find were I was. I finally caught sight of a ruined building below me and knew I could get cell signal there. Just one of my experiences and I can tell you training does not help much when injury shock and panic start to take over. If I were in unfamiliar territory I doubt my survival.
😨That was a hard time !
That description of event is sh1t scary. Kudos to you for pulling yourself out of that.
super high quality presentation mate.
I hope you have more video-essay style content like this.
Totally appreciate your honesty in a world of lies and fantasies aimed at exploiting people.
Wing Chun is one of those martial arts that i would consider incomplete in how most practitioners use it. Like you mentioned, theres very little grappling, form work over sparring, etc. In fact, i would consider most martial arts practiced today 'incomplete' because they're not being taught as the full systems they used to be. Some are more complete than others, for example Kenpo is a more complete martial art than say Taekwondo, one is about the effective use against an opponent, the other deals more in disciplined dedication to form. The more martial arts become sportified in training, the more we are taught what is legal in tournaments more so than what works against someone trying to do you harm, the more incomplete a martial art becomes.
You cant punch in wrestling, and you cant do grappling takedowns in boxing. But both are still watered down from a more holistic approach for what will help you in a fight with no rules, no ref, and no guarantee of safety. The reason why so many of the old mentors from around Ip Man's time did so well with their martial arts is because they not only COULD put their practice into action, but likely HAD to. Even the movie martial artists like Jackie Chan and Bruce Lee have had to legitimately defend themselves in street fights or run ins with gangs.
i trained in WC after other arts, and I was one of the few people that sparred outside of Chi Sao and drills. Most of them were people who also knew Karate, boxing, or TKD. That was extremely helpful and made things a lot more real. If you do WC...SPAR, and train more like a boxer or old school MA that involve CONTACT. Lift weights, get in shape and interact with other MA styles. When applied properly, WC principles allow for a wide array of effective applications, and remember...whether you believe it was made up by a nun or by Chinese revolutionaries, it was purportedly invented to defeat more "traditional" MA styles. So maximize your physical capabilities, and find a WC school that makes it REAL. If they dont, move on.
Thank you for this video. It really is pretty much applicable to other branches as well. I started my martial arts journey in Shotokan Karate, then moved to Kansan Ryu then to Teakwondo then Southern Shaolin and finally Hung Fut (a combination of Hung Gar and Fut Gar). I am in no way an expert, just someone who loved martial arts dearly. In general all martial arts schools are businesses and ran by people whose primary focus is to get money from people so the more they can pretend things work in real life the better. I have hundreds of stories these masters would tell to their star-stricken open-mouthed inexperienced students about the mythical abilities of their own grand masters. And before someone tells me that they know a martial artist that kicked ass in some fight, people should know that such people are successful not because of some flowery move they learned but because of conditioning, inherent speed (fast-twitch muscles you are born with) and their intelligent and luck and the other guys shortcomings. ALL martial arts are beneficial as conditioning exercises and supplemental to other more realistic training in basics of fighting. If your one and only goal is to be a good fighter, and you have to decide if you mean against other fighters or a street brawler (they are not the same), then look at something like, boxing, Muay Thai or wrestling. And remember, unlike what these masters and Hollywood is trying their damned best to make you believe, laws of physics are inviolable, even by Sifu so-and-so or 9TH Dan this or that. Enjoy martial arts because it makes a better you not because you think it makes you into a flying invincible master. Thank you for this great video.
Aaargh. The auto correct!!! I meant Kan Zen Ryu.
Dude I appreciate his truthful perspective that's why I love his channel
Ip Man was a huge contributor to me learning and completing all of the empty hand forms. But when we had Lut Sau (pretty much light sparring) in class one of the older students that was a Hapkido black belt proceeded to kick the crap out of me lol. I was telegraphing movements that he could easily answer. Eye opening as it was, you need to spar to build the muscle memory for actual altercations. Someone with combat experience is going to always have the edge over you with nothing but forms. TLDR there is no one martial arts with the answers to every situation and thinking as much may get you hurt or worse in the future especially if you've learned forms without application or pressure testing.
Great video !
Didn't come here since the for honor one, and a random podcast where you talked about that time you (or your friend?) tried to speak french at a hotel and as soon as you made the smallest mistake, the face of the french people DRASTICALLY changed x')
I trained wing chun for 4 years and you are absolutely right and my sifu knew this as well and it is why he also trained us with Muai tai as well as boxing. He was a south pacific champion kickboxer and 1977 taekwondo champion in australia. He trained many forms of martial arts mostly chinese styles as he is from Guandong china. He incorporated what worked as he was an experienced street fighter having been a bouncer for a number of years. It also inspired me to branch out and learn from other styles too. But i especially enjoyed my time learning from my original sifu.
Reminds me of how I ALMOST joined a Wing Chun school in my town, motivated primarily by fear of my safety. That was almost... 10 years ago. However, I gave up after attending the open seminar, thinking of how I'd be unable keeping the discipline and in the mean time the town got a bit safer.
There are other Chinese arts that I practice of regular basis, but they are not related to martial arts, at least not directly.
Growing up street fighting with no training or MA, just experience from older crowd bullying, and beating me down just to be able to hang around with them. To growing up and bouncing rank bars for 10yrs. Your video comments are spot on from my own witness and experience concerning fighting and reality on the street. One of the few MA vids on YT based in reality.
I am a Wing Chun master with 16 years of training and 4 years of teaching behind me and I must say that Traditional Wing Chun is incomplete and has many gaps. Personally I have also practiced several years of Karate GoJu Ryu and Muay Thay, but I admit that knowing Traditional Wing Chun is not enough to know how to defend yourself properly. You need to use your head, experiment and acquire as much as possible from various martial arts to become efficient. I agree with almost everything you said. Fortunately, the most modern schools of thought tend to experiment and strengthen this fantastic art by opening the mind and also incorporating what does not belong to it but becomes fundamental for a solid and more realistically effective system. Nice analysis. Compliments.
" I have also practiced several years of Karate GoJu Ryu and Muay Thai" How was your muaythai teacher? Was he accomplished? I began training muaythai at 57. I'm not athletically gifted, a true desk jockey. Here is a clip of yours truly at 76++. I owe it all to my mentors. I also alternate last round (4th round) between clinching and sparring.
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I saw somewhere that the reason Wing Chun is complete is because the Wing Chun today is not the Wing Chun old.
I also read somewhere in China that only 18 men and women really know the True Wing Chun. To learn it one must show to have 2 Chinese parents, 2 Chinese Grandparents, 2 Chinese Great Grandparents, and 2 Chinese Great Great Grandparents to be able to learn it.
I saw also somewhere that the True Wing Chun has grappling, anti-grappling (Southern Chinese Chin na) throws, sweeps, joint manipulation, pressure point strikes, etc. Its said the 3 best lines are the Red Boat Wing Chun, the Opera Troop Wing Chun, and the Yuen Kay Shan line. I also saw somewhere that there was a 4th hand style called "Chain cutting hands"
Always love your takes, Ranton. It's nice to have the opinion of an actual Shaolin monk.
I’ve had the OVERWHELMING pleasure of training with a teacher of (real) Taijiquan, and I’ll say straightaway, there IS a reason for practicing solo forms. This person was an amazing martial artist and was not a show off. The only time they’d put you in your place is if you challenged their ability. They weren’t afraid to get hit. A truly rare experience for me that I’ll never forget!
Too many people think that what they see in a solo form is how you’ll look when in combat. Wrong. When we practiced push hands, this teacher’s movement looked nothing like the form. They felt like they were fast but it was due to the fact they ONLY attacked what was closest to them. They also felt different during grappling situations. The best way I can describe it is like bending a tree branch that won’t break yet you can feel that it’s about to slip and hit you back. You’d either get tossed out, or struck in a manner that wasn’t damaging. And they could strike like a MF’er, and from zero distance.
That being said, they trained form AND partnered practice. You will definitely build root, strength, and power from solo form alone BUT you must practice with others to learn how to see intent. I fear many martial arts have had their partnered practice omitted due to teachers of old not wanting to share the art even though it appears they are. And now the world is left with watered down systems. All real systems will have a form (maintains good body structure), partnered practices (tests structure and teaches appropriate responses), and weapon training (helps practice delivering power).
The only Martial Art you need to master is Hokuto Shinken
7:28 lol
Nice edits...
This is a great video full of good advice, 100% true! Hopefully, it will reach and help a lot of people who need orientation in the martial arts world.
I remember watching Jet Li's Tai Chi Master as a kid and instantly wanted to learn it. It only took me a few weeks to realize that it was an art form and not a self defense martial arts. Months and months of the same flow of movements that wouldnt help in real life fights lol. Still I enjoyed it for as long as I did it, but it definitely didnt make me a better fighter lol. Think of tai chi as yoga, it was a stress relieving art form that put your mind to ease, while giving your body a full workout.
All martial arts are art form! Tai chi requires you to be smart or educated, if you cannot understand yin / yang meaning then you’ll never be able to apply Tai chi.
I don’t think so that’s it’s only in the movies. It was happening in the olden times up to the early 1900’s when the fighters know their stuff then the next masters did not teach the real technique, all they teach are the forms and little applications until the true combat application got lost as time goes. Wing Chun was not invented by a woman, it was developed by about 5 grandmasters who collaborated So to train someone in a short period of 2 years or less not more than 5 years and do not need much strength, flexibility or aerobics.
The trouble is wing chun is being marketed as a self DEFENCE, when in fact it is an attacking art. There are different types of people in this world. Some people are scarred of being attacked, but there is another kind who enjoy fighting. People who go to learn self defence have already lost, as to truly defend yourself you must learn how to attack. But for those who enjoy fighting wing chun is like toolbox. It helps you understand angles and lines of attack. But it requires a certain mindset to work. 99% of people dont have that mindset and no amount of training will ever enable them to overcome an opponent, whos mindset is to do them harm. For 1% its a deadly art, but for the rest its a waste of money. Their best defence would be to work on their confidence and awareness, and avoid fights altogether.
@johnwheeler3019 well said
"People who go to learn self defence have already lost, as to truly defend yourself you must learn how to attack."
That´s not true at all, Avoiding a phyiscal conflict is always better than to attack. Even if you attack and win you can hurt yourself. If you run away or simply avoid and de-escalate a sitution you`ll always be superior to any martial art. But sometimes if you are left with no other choice than to fight then sure.
@@narudan you're exactly the kind of person I'm talking about.
@@johnwheeler3019 The type of person who doesn`t want to attack someone? sure i`m that. A knife is drawn quicker than any "mindset" you`d think you have to make you able to defend yourself from someone meaning to do you harm. If you think you can defend yourself from someone like that just because you are trained in a martial art i wish you good luck in your delusions and hopefully you never end up in a situation like that.
I didn't even mention knives, maybe it's you who is delusional
What a wonderfully candid perspective!
Thank you for this video.
I have studied martial arts for 14 years and the single most important lesson I learned was to avoid conflict at any cost.
I have lived my life according to that rule and do not ever show off or display my "skills" in public for show.
You have just gained a subscriber....Thank you!!
As "the wing chun practitioner who made it to the end" I feel honour bound to defend my art.
Maybe things are different in the States but here in the UK my sifu is a genuinely lovely bloke who treats his students and other arts with respect, and demands the same from us. I have never been hurled across a room into other students and don't know anyone who has.
The Wing Chun I'm taught is very much based on simplicity/efficiency but it does generate serious power if done correctly.
If you're ever this side of the Pond let me know and I'll buy you a beer and we can discuss it (100% not in a threatening way!!!)
Great Great Video! Thank you for the time for putting this together. Detect, Avoid and De-Escalate ... 100%
Our head Sensei always told us... It doesn't matter the style... it depends on you as a person, what works for you?
I need Ranton on creator clash bro. He only has everything to gain with all those new eyes to follow along with him. His content is too good to stay underrated
He already said that he won't do it .
he talked about it a while ago, I don't remember exactly what he said about it but it was a long the lines of him having everything to lose haha going there would be a lose lose, since he would for sure be hyped up like "THE SHAOLIN WARRIOR" and if he loses thats like super embarrassing and if he wins its like "oh well yeah obviously", can't remember when he spoke about it and I might not remember it exactly!
@@matthieusaade3616 he literally just had a talk with Harley and said he's tempted to consider it
@Foxiest of buns yeah he talked about it with Harley a few days ago but that's just fear talking. No one would disrespect him if he lost to it, he has way more to gain than he realizes is my point
@@Alteronx fuck harley
Luckily there are Wing Chun schools that apply sparrings and there are even Wing Chun competitions. This is probably the future of wing chun. (Not to mention the "modern wing chun" like "winfight" and "wincombat"). Although I sincerely wish there were projections and floor play. My favorite martial arts are Kudo, mma and sanda, in that order. But I love wing chun and sincerely want to add techniques and concepts to my own "jeet kune do"
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I had hoped that he would analyze more the technique itself that Wing Chun schools (particularly driven by the teachings of Wong Shun-leung) teach you, but I only see (conflating with) Kung Fu from films, that is not what it is in real life, far from it.
It is not the case that weight no longer matters when you use Wing Chun, but you will be amazed at how much force you can exert without being strong yourself if you use the right technique and more speed and efficiency of movement and 'guiding' your opponents attacks away can certainly work to your advantage.
In Wing Chun training we also sometimes try to imitate a scenario of a boxer attacking you, the idea (or one of the ideas) is simply that when such a person strikes out, he makes the shape of a 'half moon' with his arm from the side, i.e. from the outside , but if you stand ready as a Wing Chunner with your arms in the right way, you can hit him and push him away before he even has a chance to hit you with his fist because you simply cover a shorter distance via the centerline (one of the core principles of Wing Chun). My sifu also combined a Wing Chun school with a boxing school, so I think he also has a lot of experience in that.
Ranton does make a good point though that you have to be careful that Wing Chun gives you too much confidence too quickly and then you take more risks which can cost you dearly, it is indeed good to recognize what the limitations are of Wing Chun and not think that because you have taken some Wing Chun classes that you can take on the whole world. Though this applies to every martial art in principle, but especially to Wing Chun because it is true that Wing Chun takes longer to get to a level where it is sufficient for self-defense simply because there is so much technique involved, so you're also more likely to do something wrong, but if you master it all well it is certainly a good martial art for self-defense on it's own (although obviously a combination of multiple martial arts is better), untill then your best bet is to run in most cases of being attacked.
I grew up in a rough neighborhood and have always seemed to find myself drawn to tough situations. I went into law enforcement when I was 24 and spent 25 years as a corrections officer. One of the most important things I learned was to never back down, never show weakness, never show fear. Predators sense fear, predators love to give chase, predators seek out the weak. The surest way to get in a fight with a bully is to act like you don't want to fight. It's like throwing chum in the water. You can't outrun a bullet and getting stabbed in the back while running away won't hurt less than getting cut while facing and fighting a person with a knife. That's what I've learned in my real world experience. Ultimately the best idea is to not go where someone might pull a gun or a knife. If that's not an option you better know how to handle yourself, show confidence whether you feel it or not, and be ready to deal with confrontations without provoking them. "Life is no easyoh!"
Everything you mentioned here is the truth. I had roughly 25 fights by the time I graduated from high school and I was the church kid that sang in the choir. Your reasons are one of my reasons for spending time in the military. Unfortunately, having to deal with violence seemed like part of the deal when it came to life, so I decided to be able to do it well and survive. Ironically, since the age of 15, it seems the older I've gotten, the less need I've had for fighting skills.
That's just fine by me, but one should never not be prepared to, especially with threats like tyrannical governments looming on the horizon EVERYWHERE!
@@americanosbadassius9292 Agreed. The older I've gotten the less often I've had to fight. I would never seek out a fight, and would never advise anyone else to do so. I despise bullies. But you must always be prepared for a fight, either to defend yourself and your loved ones, or to defend your community, country and freedom in general.
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I feel that someone who trains Wing Chun with absolute devotion could potentially adapt the style if they're willing to train against MMA fighters. Sparring with a well tested fighting format like MMA is a great way to adapt any traditional style for practical application, it just takes creativity, observation skills, and a willingness to adapt. Personally, I've never trained much Wing Chun, but I do see potential in its various forms.
Look for Qilala, it's almost unrecognizable to traditional wing chun