Great work Kiwi, so glad to see old hardware come back to life and be rescued. It is such a tribute to the original engineers and components manufacturing. Can’t believe it’s even a possibility given how trashed the carcass of that New Yorker was. Gives me hope that the power seat in my garage kept 64 Caddy can be operable again, and encouragement to dig into it.
You weren't exaggerating when you said "As you can see, it's been already pretty well picked over.. " I was expecting a David Attenborough commentary on how clean the carcass had become 🤣
The fun thing is, I’ve still got plenty of things to pull and use from it.. sections of the firewall, power steering box and column, hood hinges, wheels etc, all of it will go to use! If someone needs a frame I’ve got it too! All very cheap to help other old mopars get back on the road.
I was just getting ready to tear into the power seat on my 56 New Yorker St. Regis. Great info from my favorite TH-cam car guy. I'm a retired ASE Master Tech, started my career in 1972 after service in the USAF. I think your channel is great. No drama, just a variety of interesting cars and projects from a knowledgeable and talented technician that runs an honest shop. Not always an easy thing to find nowadays. Keep it up.
Mr. B. Here ! 🍩☕️👀😎👍 : What a great fine ! What ever you paid for it , it’s worth every penny ! The one thing these old Classics need was adjustable seats ! 👀😎👍 I am glad you got that system working . This has been a great video Kiwi ! 🍩☕️👀😎👍
Thanks Mr B !! Dylan (the owner) actually gave it to me 😳. He felt bad that the motor I got off him from that 58 wagon was in a lot worse shape than we realized so he said I could have the seat to make up for it. How honorable is that.....😎😎😎👍👍👍
Nice save on the seat Kiwi and even nicer that you were able to get it working again. I'm sure you will really enjoy that in Marge. Thanks for taking us through all those steps.
Chrysler engineering did some amazing things .. I love that you can dissect and resurrect these old pieces.. very cool! Look forward to see it in Marge!
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 Lets hope that the Hemi from the Chrysler ended [or will end] up in something worthy, like a 1932 to 1934 roadster or coupe, preferably one of the Chrysler corp. brands. Alternately, a nice Hi Steppin' Willys Coupe street Gasser. Such a shame to hide an early Hemi under a hood if at all possible to let it be seen & enjoyed.
I'm absolutely loving the way you think because you're like me - lets see if i can get this working again! Too many people nowadays would have just found a modern power seat bottom to bolt onto it thinking since its that old there's no way it will work. Stuff back then was built to last and anything you get nowadays is just a bunch of plastic that will break long before this ever will. Looking forward to seeing the rest of this little project!👍
Brilliant piece of kit, that assembly, must've been a wonderful time to be an engineer. Well done, Kiwi, and, as always, thanks fer takin' us along....
Oh I commented too soon! Damn the percentages, that transmission is amazing 🤩. You're right, it's a baby linear transmission. The guy that thought that up should be known but there were thousands of guys like him back then thinking up ways to do things that we do with a circuit today. That was really cool to see.
The electric motor has two windings, one for each direction. There is a common lead coming out of the windings that goes to a 30A circuit breaker inside the case if it is like the one on my '62 Imperial. The breaker in mine failed and was permanently open due to corrosion. I found a 30A breaker at an auto parts store and connected a short wire to the two motor windings an brought it outside the motor case and found a way to ground one lead of the beaker to the seat frame and the other to the lead from the two wires from inside the motor case. Electric motors for the widows were similar and have two windings for the up & down directions. They however are normally fed by a 30A circuit breaker under the dash. Good luck!
Yes I think I mentioned the two windings in the video, I hadn't seen that before. The wiring diagram for the 57 shows a 40 amp breaker in the drivers side kick panel which is where I disconnected it. The twin relays seem to be working well with this set up. They are 40 amp relays so should be up to the task😬. Thanks for the input and watching!!
Dana "60" Glass. That's the difference between true mechanics and parts changers. Could be this is what the folks who designed and assembled this did on the line. Great job Kiwi!
Great video Kiwi. As a kid, I used to take things apart to see how they worked. Sometimes I'd actually get it back together and work! LOL A little search netted this about reversing motors: A "reversing electric motor" refers to any type of electric motor that can easily change its rotational direction, typically achieved by simply swapping the connections of two power lines, with the most common reversible motor types being three-phase induction motors where swapping any two phase wires reverses the rotation direction; single-phase motors may require additional circuitry to achieve reversal depending on their design. Looking forward to the next part.
Very interesting engineering with that gearbox there, bit complex for my liking. I have a later model Aussie Chrysler electric bucket seat, which is really a US base put under a local seat, and that has 3 separate motors. Looking for a switch for that one. I thought that motor might be like our tailgate motors. Common power + grounded up and down switched wires. Good work getting that part going again.
Just energize all the solenoids when wanting to reassemble and let the thing hold itself together against spring pressures for the reassembly. Impressive with all the little gears and dog drives because back then lost wax casting would be the closest thing to near net shape and still need machining. These days those gears would be metal injection molded.
Very cool, Kiwi. That Canyon is cool, too. First gen so that has the 4 cylinder variant of the 5 and 6 versions of that inline design. My neighbor had a TrailBlazer with the 4200 Vortec straight six.
I've wondered how a 5 cylinder would fire (firing order) or if 2 pistons would TDC simultaneously or if it was a cross plane or flat plane crank (rotating assembly)
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 It's a beefy little engine that was scalable to 5 and 6 cylinders. As far as I know, the 4 banger was only offered in the 2wd version.
Nice catch, figuring out using the solenoids to draw the post down... I was going over what I would do, and when I saw that I said "thats it" good thinking...keep the videos coming. TMD
Thanks for the video, Kiwi. Been putting off the 6 way power seat repair on our 63 Monterey. I got all the repair manuals, but now you've shown us how Dodge did theirs. So now I kinda have the concept of operation. Weather is finally nice here in Florida again, so I feel confident on tackling this project. Thanks again and keep up the Good Work.👍❤🙏
Aw, you figured the Solenoid trick out... I thought for ONCE I was going to be able to pass along a tip on how to get something to work. I have a '56 Imperial, did the same freshen job. I was overjoyed to find my cables had been lubed properly... the prospect of finding replacements had me very worried. Here's hoping yours are in perfect condition!
That's where all the Kentucky Fried Chicken for the whole wide world comes from , pretty cool. One good thing about the workings of the seat is that it will have had very light usage, they never really get a thrashing .Which reminds me , the powered height adjustment of the pilot's chair in my Commodore is stuck in a fairly high position and the adjustment doesn't work , I wonder what that will turn out to be , dirty seized up motor ?
LOL, yes not much wear and tear just old!! Your seat probably has 3 motors so that should narrow your search. I'd guess a power supply issue to that motor.
@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 Yes , a power supply issue seems likely, as there is no response from the switches at all .Could I ask , where do you think the power interruption might be ?
My 65 ford had 6 way power seat that didnt work when i got the car, i took it out (it must have weight 300 ibs) and found the motor was the same as the power window motors it worked but the cables where frozen in the housings they where why it didnt work, when i flooded them with brake clean they came out to be cleaned and lubed with motorcycle chain lube after i put it all back together it worked fine for many years till i sold the car
Agreed!! Here's me thinking I'm smart figuring out how it works and how to fix it. What about the guy that designed it on a flat sheet of paper 😳😳. No computer assistance, nothing....😎😎
@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 why did you think I pointed it out, guessing that you would have been still here at the time. Just need the Alfeta & the Charger ??? To cover all the Brothers cars. I know it's a few years ago now but I talked to their father, they all reside in the USA at that time. Kiwi Rod
If I was trying to sell that seat I'd at least get the TRASH off it first! Maybe even throw on a tarp to make it look like it was taken care of and worth a bit more...
At the risk of being "that guy", but in truth I am that guy a lot of the time, you spent 5% not 10. So twice as good as you thought 👍 $20=5% of $400 not 10%, I can't help myself, math brings the annoying side of me to the front
Great details on the workings of the electrical portion of the seat. On a less serious side, I've heard a fast car blowing the doors off 📴. That must have been a really fast car in it's day. 🤣 Great detail thank you
That was really neat to see the inner workings of the power seats/mechanism. Proud to be part of Chrysler Engineering!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!! I'll bet you are proud!! 😎👍
Great work Kiwi, so glad to see old hardware come back to life and be rescued. It is such a tribute to the original engineers and components manufacturing. Can’t believe it’s even a possibility given how trashed the carcass of that New Yorker was. Gives me hope that the power seat in my garage kept 64 Caddy can be operable again, and encouragement to dig into it.
Thanks man, the caddy seat won't be the same but will be similar 😎👍
Kiwi here the moment I saw that relay and $400..I said to myself 2x $10.00 relay … good old no8 kiwi wire technology 😅
You weren't exaggerating when you said "As you can see, it's been already pretty well picked over.. "
I was expecting a David Attenborough commentary on how clean the carcass had become 🤣
Yeah it was slim pickings for sure😎👍😁
The fun thing is, I’ve still got plenty of things to pull and use from it.. sections of the firewall, power steering box and column, hood hinges, wheels etc, all of it will go to use!
If someone needs a frame I’ve got it too! All very cheap to help other old mopars get back on the road.
I was just getting ready to tear into the power seat on my 56 New Yorker St. Regis. Great info from my favorite TH-cam car guy. I'm a retired ASE Master Tech, started my career in 1972 after service in the USAF. I think your channel is great. No drama, just a variety of interesting cars and projects from a knowledgeable and talented technician that runs an honest shop. Not always an easy thing to find nowadays. Keep it up.
Thank you for your service and enjoy retirement sir.
Thanks Joe that means a lot!! And thank you for your service!
I follow a lot of TH-cam car channels. Kiwi's is the only one I make sure I don't miss a new video. I'm finding myself saying "So yeah...".
@ I wish I didn't do that !! But hey, thanks for watching and I'm glad you enjoy the videos😁😎👍
@@Tolohtony agreed! I’m down to 3 that I look forward to. Kiwi is one of them.. I dropped the drama channel staring uncle Tony!
Mr. B. Here ! 🍩☕️👀😎👍 : What a great fine ! What ever you paid for it , it’s worth every penny ! The one thing these old Classics need was adjustable seats ! 👀😎👍 I am glad you got that system working . This has been a great video Kiwi ! 🍩☕️👀😎👍
Thanks Mr B !! Dylan (the owner) actually gave it to me 😳. He felt bad that the motor I got off him from that 58 wagon was in a lot worse shape than we realized so he said I could have the seat to make up for it. How honorable is that.....😎😎😎👍👍👍
Bench seats are ultra-cool
For many reasons ....😉😎👍
Some engineer designed that seat mechanism, no doubt he was very proud and underappreciated.
Quite probably!!!
You gotta love the battle when there’s a nice win. Let the brains do the work. Keep up the good work Kiwi!
Cheers mate and thanks for watching!!
Great job. Love the two-relay solution!
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed it!!
Got tickled with the banjo comment too. Good ol "Deliverance" flashbacks 😂😂😂😂
Thats what I was thinking of....
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160I dont think Tennessee is a Banjo free zone is it?
@ no I don't think it is....🤣
You’re an intelligent person. I am impressed that you figured out how to put the transmission back together. Bravo.
Well thanks man!! But think about this, how smart was the guy that came up with the design.......😎😎👍👍
Nice save on the seat Kiwi and even nicer that you were able to get it working again. I'm sure you will really enjoy that in Marge. Thanks for taking us through all those steps.
Chrysler engineering did some amazing things .. I love that you can dissect and resurrect these old pieces.. very cool! Look forward to see it in Marge!
That poor New Yorker completely stripped.
Yeah it's a shame to see them like that but she was a great organ doner !!!
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 Lets hope that the Hemi from the Chrysler ended [or will end] up in something worthy, like a 1932 to 1934 roadster or coupe, preferably one of the Chrysler corp. brands. Alternately, a nice Hi Steppin' Willys Coupe street Gasser.
Such a shame to hide an early Hemi under a hood if at all possible to let it be seen & enjoyed.
@@KB10GLI’m the one with the New Yorker. Hemi was long gone by the time I ended up with the car. So hopefully it did end up in something cool!
I'm absolutely loving the way you think because you're like me - lets see if i can get this working again! Too many people nowadays would have just found a modern power seat bottom to bolt onto it thinking since its that old there's no way it will work. Stuff back then was built to last and anything you get nowadays is just a bunch of plastic that will break long before this ever will. Looking forward to seeing the rest of this little project!👍
It's very rewarding when you can actually repair something !! Glad you enjoyed it!!
I was waiting for that ground clip to pop off and then Kiwi gets to play 52 part pickup… great video guys.
That would have been cause for some bleeping!!
@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 that was a great find. I knee they made power seats but I didn't even know they made 6 way seats back then.
Brilliant piece of kit, that assembly, must've been a wonderful time to be an engineer. Well done, Kiwi, and, as always, thanks fer takin' us along....
Last part is the best part of the video.
Yeah it really was, that's why we decided to add it after we thought we'd wrapped up the video. Glad you enjoyed it!!
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160ingenious solution!
Excellent repair/overhaul from what I'm seeing...I'm really liking this Marge series
Thanks for watching!! I'm enjoying bringing it to you!!
You know I reckon you were excited learning how that works. Got me in, cool 👍💯😎
I really was!! I showed the wife and I swear she was thinking "you ain't right" 🤣😂. Glad you enjoyed it!!
I was thinking 3 zip ties but your idea was golden. Marge will be so proud!
Cheers mate and thanks for watching!!
Oh I commented too soon! Damn the percentages, that transmission is amazing 🤩. You're right, it's a baby linear transmission. The guy that thought that up should be known but there were thousands of guys like him back then thinking up ways to do things that we do with a circuit today. That was really cool to see.
So cool! I really appreciate the close ups and the great explanations.
Cheers mate and thanks for watching!!
Cool accessory. And useful if you get it moving.
Hopefully🤞🤞😎👍
The electric motor has two windings, one for each direction. There is a common lead coming out of the windings that goes to a 30A circuit breaker inside the case if it is like the one on my '62 Imperial. The breaker in mine failed and was permanently open due to corrosion. I found a 30A breaker at an auto parts store and connected a short wire to the two motor windings an brought it outside the motor case and found a way to ground one lead of the beaker to the seat frame and the other to the lead from the two wires from inside the motor case. Electric motors for the widows were similar and have two windings for the up & down directions. They however are normally fed by a 30A circuit breaker under the dash. Good luck!
Yes I think I mentioned the two windings in the video, I hadn't seen that before. The wiring diagram for the 57 shows a 40 amp breaker in the drivers side kick panel which is where I disconnected it. The twin relays seem to be working well with this set up. They are 40 amp relays so should be up to the task😬. Thanks for the input and watching!!
Thanking for sharing! Learned a lot about seat adjusters. I was very impressed by the technology from back then.
Dana "60" Glass. That's the difference between true mechanics and parts changers. Could be this is what the folks who designed and assembled this did on the line. Great job Kiwi!
Part 2 show us those 3 tubes with the cable's. Very good job..its a win kiwi.. remind viewers about your live Tuesday night..
Will do mate!!
Great video Kiwi. It's really cool that you were able to get everything working.
Another upgrade for Marge 😎
So cool Marge is getting a power bench. Love the Bosch style relays. Used more than I can count on various projects.
Great video Kiwi. As a kid, I used to take things apart to see how they worked. Sometimes I'd actually get it back together and work! LOL
A little search netted this about reversing motors:
A "reversing electric motor" refers to any type of electric motor that can easily change its rotational direction, typically achieved by simply swapping the connections of two power lines, with the most common reversible motor types being three-phase induction motors where swapping any two phase wires reverses the rotation direction; single-phase motors may require additional circuitry to achieve reversal depending on their design.
Looking forward to the next part.
Very interesting engineering with that gearbox there, bit complex for my liking. I have a later model Aussie Chrysler electric bucket seat, which is really a US base put under a local seat, and that has 3 separate motors. Looking for a switch for that one. I thought that motor might be like our tailgate motors. Common power + grounded up and down switched wires. Good work getting that part going again.
Marge's tailgate motor is like that too but this seat motor is common ground with switched up and down power 🤔🤷🏼♂️
Very cool. Can't wait for part two.
Cheers mate glad you enjoyed it!!
Great job ,they should be happy with that ,thanks for sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones
Just energize all the solenoids when wanting to reassemble and let the thing hold itself together against spring pressures for the reassembly. Impressive with all the little gears and dog drives because back then lost wax casting would be the closest thing to near net shape and still need machining. These days those gears would be metal injection molded.
Good class today Kiwi. Cheers 🇨🇦
Oh Geez man, better you than me, Chris...you seem to love tinkering with that old stuff- LOL 😀
It's a sickness😁😁😎👍
Great trick holding switch with the solenoid!
Great stuff man!!! You make it seem like I could tackle something like this. :)
Cool idea to use it's own power to get it back together.
Yeah that'll be nice when you get it all working one more option. 👍👍🙂🇨🇦
Brilliant, the relays trick is spot on... $400 ? I don't think so
Grand reveal Kiwi THANKS
It's on eBay right now. $397 but now. It's N.O.S. But still..... glad you enjoyed it😎😁👍
@ possibly.....
That was excellent! Looking forward to part 2
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!!
Kiwi is such a fine diagnostician. I would love to work in his shop.
I do love taking things like that apart, the engineering is just brilliant and the build quality first class.
Very cool, Kiwi. That Canyon is cool, too. First gen so that has the 4 cylinder variant of the 5 and 6 versions of that inline design. My neighbor had a TrailBlazer with the 4200 Vortec straight six.
That would have gone well. The little 4 banger is surprisingly stout !!
I've wondered how a 5 cylinder would fire (firing order) or if 2 pistons would TDC simultaneously or if it was a cross plane or flat plane crank (rotating assembly)
@@jlletaw1954 5 cylinders sound awesome
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 It's a beefy little engine that was scalable to 5 and 6 cylinders. As far as I know, the 4 banger was only offered in the 2wd version.
Cool score! Take care of your back, those old power seats are really heavy.
Yes they are!!! I was shocked 😳😎👍
Take a seat, this is a great video
LOL. Take a seat😁. Glad you enjoyed it😎👍
cool wee gearbox
Wasn't it though!!!!!😎👍
Nice catch, figuring out using the solenoids to draw the post down... I was going over what I would do, and when I saw that I said "thats it" good thinking...keep the videos coming. TMD
Cheees mate😁😎👍
😂 My mom was from Tennessee and whenever someone would say something disparaging about Tennessee "hillbillies" she said "Ohh, that's Kentucky".
🤣😂👍
What a beautiful New Yorker.. it’s the talk of town! 😂
Once upon a time....
wasn’t that the jingle ? “ Elegance and grace, style sets the pace” lol!
At least it was easy to get at the seat Kiwi!😆
Thanks for the video, Kiwi. Been putting off the 6 way power seat repair on our 63 Monterey. I got all the repair manuals, but now you've shown us how Dodge did theirs. So now I kinda have the concept of operation. Weather is finally nice here in Florida again, so I feel confident on tackling this project. Thanks again and keep up the Good Work.👍❤🙏
Man this is so cool to see how it's done.
Fine fine work .😊
Marge deserves to be pampered. Score
Aw, you figured the Solenoid trick out... I thought for ONCE I was going to be able to pass along a tip on how to get something to work. I have a '56 Imperial, did the same freshen job. I was overjoyed to find my cables had been lubed properly... the prospect of finding replacements had me very worried. Here's hoping yours are in perfect condition!
Gotta love the time before planned obsolescence huh?😉
Yes indeed!!!!
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160and your a smart cookie for charging the unit for ease of reassembly? Bet that’s not in the workshop manual?
Using solenoids....brilliant! I was thinking little zip ties that would need to be cut & fished out
That's where all the Kentucky Fried Chicken for the whole wide world comes from , pretty cool. One good thing about the workings of the seat is that it will have had very light usage, they never really get a thrashing .Which reminds me , the powered height adjustment of the pilot's chair in my Commodore is stuck in a fairly high position and the adjustment doesn't work , I wonder what that will turn out to be , dirty seized up motor ?
LOL, yes not much wear and tear just old!! Your seat probably has 3 motors so that should narrow your search. I'd guess a power supply issue to that motor.
@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 Yes , a power supply issue seems likely, as there is no response from the switches at all .Could I ask , where do you think the power interruption might be ?
Hard to say bud, check for power at the motor if nothing just start working your way back.
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 Thanks, much appreciated.
Interesting video.
The word is solder !!! :)
Yes it is! They're slowly converting me .....
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 By the way , loving your work .
You're a smart bugger kiwi 😉
🥃
Cheers mate 🥃
Time for some take away Kentucky Fried Chicken 😂
😂🤣👍
Six ways to Sunday!!
Exactly!!🤣😂
My 65 ford had 6 way power seat that didnt work when i got the car, i took it out (it must have weight 300 ibs) and found the motor was the same as the power window motors it worked but the cables where frozen in the housings they where why it didnt work, when i flooded them with brake clean they came out to be cleaned and lubed with motorcycle chain lube after i put it all back together it worked fine for many years till i sold the car
The engineer coming up with these ideas and then making them work very clever people Marge is getting out of control
Agreed!! Here's me thinking I'm smart figuring out how it works and how to fix it. What about the guy that designed it on a flat sheet of paper 😳😳. No computer assistance, nothing....😎😎
Should of been an electrical engineer! Nice work!
Hope those cables are ok
That thing looks like a Thanksgiving turkey carcass that's been worked on for a week
I guess it does a bit.....😁
👌🏼⛽️
😉🍻👍👍
Look at this weeks THE ROARING SEASON I bet you will understand !!!!
Kiwi Rod
On TH-cam? The Bathurst race??
@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 no Barry Allgie's Monaro
@ ahh ok. Yes that was pretty cool to watch. Brought back memories for sure !!
@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 why did you think I pointed it out, guessing that you would have been still here at the time. Just need the Alfeta & the Charger ??? To cover all the Brothers cars.
I know it's a few years ago now but I talked to their father, they all reside in the USA at that time.
Kiwi Rod
Dialectic grease is a insulator
Causes high resistance don’t that
Maybe soak those gear parts in evaporust or the likes, since it is known for removing rust without destroying metal.
What is the rear end that's left in the New Yorker? Suregrip?
Good question. Was that an available option back in 57??
I guess not. 1958 to 1974
There ya go..
To think, someone sat at a work bench all day assembling those little transmissions.
Absolutely beautiful! Sad to see the death of a New Yorker though.
Yeah it is !!
If I was trying to sell that seat I'd at least get the TRASH off it first! Maybe even throw on a tarp to make it look like it was taken care of and worth a bit more...
At the risk of being "that guy", but in truth I am that guy a lot of the time, you spent 5% not 10. So twice as good as you thought 👍
$20=5% of $400 not 10%, I can't help myself, math brings the annoying side of me to the front
LOL. Yeah I realized what I'd said later, I'm gonna say that with shipping it was $40..... that's my story and I'm sticking to it😜😁
Great details on the workings of the electrical portion of the seat. On a less serious side, I've heard a fast car blowing the doors off 📴. That must have been a really fast car in it's day. 🤣 Great detail thank you
The seller could have been decent and cleared the worst crap off the seat...
great camera work and cool!
Can you get different ratios for racing ? 😆🏁🦘
🤣😂. Now that's funny!!!😎👍
Kiwi kommon sense wins out 😂