Why Dishonored 2 Is Just Short Of A Classic
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In the lineage of games in the immersive sim / 0451 genre, Dishonored 2 is well worth your time, although it does fall short of a calssic.
This Dishonored 2 review/retrospective/analysis/critique will break down the game and look at the sum of its parts.
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Dishonored 2 launched in late 2016 to a positive, yet more muted response than the first. A botched PC launch didn't help the reputation of Arkane Studios, along with the immersive sim not (usually) being a huge seller.
Having recently picked it up on sale, I was very happy with my purchase. In many ways, Dishonored 2 is better than 1, and yet still had some mistakes and flaws that carried over from the first.
Unfortunately, Dishonored 2 did not sell well and while the series did get another release, it seems to be on hold for the future. Why did Dishonored 2 fail? In this Dishonored 2 Analysis/review/critique/retrospective, we'll take a look at why.
While a great addition to the line of immersive sim / 0451 style games, it does fall short of an all-time classic that other immersive sim games like Thief or Deus Ex fall under.
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0:00 - Intro
6:39 - Gameplay
13:13 - Level Breakdown
17:38 - A Long Day In Dunwall
18:50 - Edge of the World
20:20 - The Good Doctor
22:10 - The Clockwork Mansion
25:20 - The Royal Conservatory
27:02 - Dust District
29:52 - A Crack in the Slab
34:32 - The Grand Palace
36:26 - Death to the Empress
39:10 - Story
41:50 - Why Did Dishonored 2 Fail?
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Yeah playing as Emily I feel like was a logical progression for a sequel especially in dishonored context as I thought it would be game that would have never gotten a sequel Great vid bro.
It's just too bad Emily isn't very compelling in this game compared to how she was in the original.
@@BoulderPunch yeah I totally agree dishonored one was pretty bland already but then d2 was so much worse thought Delilah wasn’t a great villain either
@@BoulderPunch honestly hope your channel grows man you have some great vids
@@BoulderPunch It's the curse of being a Dishonoured player character. Daud aside, they're all bland, one dimensional, and the least interesting part of their own stories.
@@BoulderPunch i found her compelling enough.
Being "woke" has nothing to do with Emily being playable. It's a logical progression
Dishonored 2 isn’t exactly a perfect game but it’s rather fun like the original dishonored and a very beautiful game
It is perfect!!!!
@@jchifos No
@@aboouu1173 gameplay wise it pretty much is
@@blackvalio4060 Nah dishonored had better detection in my opinion, it was more fair and the AI seemed to act more realistically. Either way it’s not much behind the firs in my opinion.
@@jackhibberd4660 wait, what? AI was dumb as a brick and blind. Dis2 felt much better in that regard. I will agree about “direction”. D2 clearly favours individual levels, over overarching structure and as such the game lacks momentum.
I spend 30 min solving the puzzle.. Since they put it into the game and i like logical puzzles i decided to give it a go. Afterwards i was pleased to find that it was randomized :)
Also.. on the Emily part, i've seen people made the point. IF you dont play as Emily.. she's just a child that's been saved twice by Corvo. Saving the empire herself makes her grow past her tragic childhood and put her on a path to become a beloved benevolent ruler.
I did break out a notebook on that one, but ended up playing the level after some failed attempts.
Plus, Emily has the better power arsenal. Domino is so much fun.
@@BoulderPunch I did a Corvo run on my first game.. as i were more invested in him. Then i did a Emily run, and then a corvo with no powers run.. now that was interesting. I must hand them for making the game in a way that you can still traverse roofs etc without powers. Its more tricky but its possible... I was a bit sad that i missed Corvo's child home, as that was inaccessible without powers.. I missed it the first time by bypassing the whole level with the code.
It's funny because i also didnt know you could alter what happened in the future before my emily playthrough... i think i accidently knocked him out and was pleasantly surprised.
One thing i think makes Dishonoured 2 better than most other stealth games i have played, was the fact that the guards were aware of their surroundings, called for help and in general felt more lifelike, especially on hard. (i tried to play as a ghost)
Did you play Death of the Outsider?
@@BoulderPunch You actually can look up the solution to the riddle. Whilst the text has variations, the solution of the order is always the same.
Name 1 Heirloom 4
Name 2 Heirloom 1
Name 3 Heirloom 5
Name 4 Heirloom 2
Name 5 Heirloom 3
The names will change, but what matches to what never does.
I actually think Corvo is better suited for this adventure in my opinion, which isn't to discount Emily's skills (which we still see on display in the expanded material)
For starters, Karnaca is Corvo's homeland, offering a larger perspective of our setting and its history. All of the dialogue relating to Corvo's past, his relationship and service to the old Duke & Jessamine, his and Delilah's banter, his speech to Karnaca and even everything with Billie and Sokolov just feels quite a bit more personal as Corvo. It's also heavily acknowledged that "hey, this is all kind of happening again, isn't it?" but with a more firm sense of finality.
Regardless of who you play as, the title of the Crown Killer is initially pinned on Corvo, which serves well to illustrate how while everything has come full circle, there's still a sense of progression as now instead of being accused of being the killer of an Empress, he's now being convicted of being a killer FOR the empress (showing how Corvo is still never quite "accepted" by the Empire at large, as they're still willing to turn on him on a whim). It's all very akin to Bigby Wolf.
This may be kind of a dead argument (as we technically have a "canon" route regardless) but I don't really think who went to Karnaca in this game really affects the continuity at large, I just think it personally fits Corvo a little better.
@@kikrinman1450 I agree - I also prefered my Corvo playthroughs. I only regret that I did not find Corvo's apartment on my Corvo playthrough - since I solved the puzzle and skipped that whole level... and my second Corvo playthough was with no powers.. and I could not reach the window you need to enter without powers... I would have liked to hear his comments.
Anyway... The point I was trying to get across was not that Emily is the more fitting character. But It would be best for her character arc to go through it all.
Corvo's ark does not change a whole lot... He technically arrives the same place as in the first games - which I believe you agree with? But if Emily goes through it all, not only would she connect with her subjects, learn about the corruption of her nation and grow into wanting to take on her role as a ruler.. rather than zoning out and spending her evenings running on the roof tops
The icing on the cake is that she would save herself and her father... breaking free from a person who needs to be saved, and helped by her father.. I guess it becomes a coming of age story, tying her character ark up neatly.
So.. it was from a purely character ark perspective I argued x)
Damn.. I miss this world.. sadly we will probably not get another game like this. Not after Zenimax butchered Arkane by forcing them to make a co-op shooter.. making the original team leave... but I digress.
Dishonored 2 is one of my favorite releases from recent years. Some of the decisions they've made in terms of gameplay like New Game +, Custom Difficulty, Nonlethal being a more fun experience, an option to have a No Powers run, and having Emily being an optional character to play as were great additions to the game.
Even though I liked the original Dishonored's levels a bit more, I did overall like the levels of the game. Mainly from an artistic standpoint and for some levels like the Clockwork Mansion, Stilton Manor, and that one part of the level where you go to the Duke's residence were great in terms of level design and remain to be my favorite bits in the game. Personally I liked the Stilton Manor a bit more than the other two for basically the same reasons you gave out, it's one of the levels I always wanted to replay everytime I get to play this game.
As much as this game did alot of things right on the gameplay sphere of things, but when it comes to the story, I wasn't much of a fan of it. I liked the whole Loyalist plot of the first game more than the 'Return of Delilah' arc they were going for. The way they tried to make you sympathize with her due to her having a tragic backstory didn't work well for me since like you said in the video, it ultimately fell flat.
I think they could've improved on the main plot by simply changing the antagonist to something else. Whatever its a completely new enemy that we haven't seen before or they could've tread some bits from the first game that focuses on the more mundane things like the Empire's politics especially with the effects of the Lord Regent's regime. Something like the Regenters I think would've been a much better group of antagonists to deal with than Delilah. Heres a wiki page of the Regenters to give a glimpse of what they were:
dishonored.fandom.com/wiki/Regenters
Besides the main plot, like you I didn't like the change to the Outsider's character. Both his voice actor and his origins. I liked the Outsider for being that lovecraftian entity who is only giving people abilities because "they were interesting" and comments on your actions in a very detached way. The Outsider was great in the first game for essentially serving a meta narrative role. He is the reason you and Daud have powers in the first place which has real consequences for the game world as the Outsider allows them to use these abilities as they see fit, which ties very well with the Immersive Sim philosophy of completing the mission your way in the gameplay side of things. I can go on but I think you get the point.
Overall a good game, not necessarily a classic like the first game but it was pretty close mainly for the gameplay, not so much for the plot though lol. Hopefully assuming Dishonored 3 is ever a thing, I hope they return to what made the first game great in the first place while adding the nice additions they've added to the 2nd game. Great video and thanks to your channel, I've gotten more interested in the Immersive Sim genre / game philosophy and I'm thinking of trying out some of the games you recommended like Thief 1 & 2 for example since I was simply way too young when those games came out so I never had the chance to play them but I'll try them out when I have the chance.
It would have been cooler if the Outsider appears differently to everyone. That not only would allow them to change his voice and appearance but also make him even more inhuman and lovecraftian.
Explaining his origins was a massive mistake even though the Void stuff at the end of the game was fun and interesting.
The one rule you shouldn't break with a lovecraftian character is explaining their origins. They broke that rule.
Lmao honestly. I found it so funny when I’m dishonored 2 he looks like he just debuted in a popular boy band at the time
@@BoulderPunchlate reply, but isn't the idea of revealing his mysteries is to take away from the idea that he's this grand, malevolent entity? We later go on to learn that he's the result of a human sacrifice to the void. He was quite literally Dishonored.
The Outsider was effectively created by humanity, the exact opposite idea of a Lovecraftian entity.
@@kikrinman1450It takes away from the mystery. He’s not malevolent, because he never lets morality or gain guide his actions. He treats the world like a plaything, and this origins thing just takes the focus from that to something that isn’t very interesting and makes him seem like just a guy, with a moral code and personal motivations.
Jesus for such a small channel these videos are of such great quality. Good luck with you channel man.
Thanks for the kind wishes!
@@BoulderPunch LEYKIS 101 !!!!!
Dishonored 2 didn't sell bad, it performed worse at launch, yes, but overall the game still sold well enough to even get a standalone DLC. After all, it's by far Arkane's biggest franchise. And don't be so sure about dishonored not getting the third installment. Dinga Bakaba himself said that while the story of Corvo and Emily has ended, they are NOT gonna just abandon such a gigantic franchise. And as a cherry on top this spring Arkane was looking for new people to work on 2 unannounced projects (besides Deathloop that is currently being developed by Arkane Lyon) so yeah, dishonored 3 is most likely coming. Just not any time soon.
P.s. oh and also, almost forgot to say this - great review!!!! Good work
Funny timing with this comment, I'm just finishing up a script for a Death of the Outsider video, so I'm more aware that the series will likely make a return at some point in the future.
If they ever make a DIshonored 3, I would like it to have an updated visual style that combines the best from this and the first game. But I also want it to have a compelling lead like Knife of Dunwall and Brigmore Witches. And, of course, it should further refine the gamplay.
I'd love to see a sequel in Tyvia, based on the characters' names it would be a russian inspired place with a cold climate that would be closer to the first game with communist architecture (similar to the high overseer building in D1) and allow for new stealth features like making noises when stepping on snow etc. There's so much potential there
I loves the Outsider's origin. He, too, has been dishonored, and that probably informs how he chooses to distribute his Mark.
I'd say that overall Dishonored 1 and 2 are both "classics" and pretty equal in quality and i think that the reason why many people prefer the first one over its sequel is the different atmosphere and setting rather than anything else really.
Just bought dishonored 2 for 8$ new! 3 hours in what a great experience it has been so far. This video was such a great modern review on a few year old game. I couldn't believe I will be your 44th sub! I was expecting 10k atleast just from the quality of this review. Keep it up man!
Thanks man! It takes time.
Great to hear you're enjoying it.
I just watched both of your Dishonored reviews, and they were great, I watched the Dishonored 1 first, which it appears you reviewed second, and then I subsequently watched your Dishonored 2 review. Both were enjoyable to watch. I didn't mind the 43-minute length either. So well done.
You have a natural talent for game analysis and commentary. I'm working my way through all your videos. I think you might have something on your hands with this Boulder Punch Channel. I'm rooting for you. I'm going to stay tuned and be providing feedback.
PS
One of my favorite things about Dishonored 2 is the Customizable Difficulty Settings. I wish all games had this.
Appreciate it!
I do plan on getting around to Death Of The Outsider in the near Future.
I don't mind the explanation of The Outsider, I find it's still vague enough and gives a little bit more information about The Void and explained how Delilah returned
I still preferred not knowing about his history.
I recently picked up Death Of The Outsider on sale and from what I understand, it goes into explanation overload with the outsider.
@@BoulderPunch fair enough, I didn't play D3 so I can't speak entirely objectively but for D2 I don't find it horrible
@@BoulderPunch I agree that explaining the nature of outsider is not a bad thing. But perhaps wouldn't it be more logical to complain about the method of presenting this information? I waited for these handouts from the developers in the form of incoherent or incomplete recordings scattered around the world, and instead got a scene in the void, where an outsider tells me the story of his origin (why suddenly???), and even complains that Delaila was able to somehow in an incomprehensible way to break free and connect with a stranger. Couldn't the outsider have done anything? Didn't it is him, who gave her a label? ... and of course DotO's plot ... outsider be like - "go there, take that knife, than go there and kill me, please!"
Though I consider Dishonored 2 quality of scenario underwhelming and (subjectively) levels being less interesting gameplay-wise than in Dishonored 1 (and I personaly love atmosphere of the first game more), I need to say that Dishonored 2 is the most beautiful game I have ever played. And I mean the art design. The vibe that the architecture, furniture, nature emits is so sad and sublime and beautiful, I find it deeply evocative and it just resonates with my childhood years (the place where I lived reminded of Karnaca's interiors).
Karnaca was a nice change of scenery.
For your subscriber size, you have really great quality. Good job!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
That's why he'll get much bigger!
Arkane games really give you a good sense of progression and improvisation. At the start of dishonored 2, I was using blink and stealth but by the end I was just summoning huge rat swarms that comically devoured everything in my path to the point that I didn’t need to use my weapons. In prey, I felt extremely underpowered at the start running away or relying on my shotgun then by the end I could mindjack or control every enemy that killing them became trivial and I could play around with diff power combinations
If the game was optimized better it would be one of the favourite games. I still like the game a lot but the perfomance is a big let down with stutter, low fpd and it just felt that dishonored 1 played so much more smoother than dishonored 2.
Yeah even now it's poorly optimized, changing from unreal engine to an ID engine was a silly idea.
Runs really well for me now, with a few tweaks. Never drops below 75 fps for me. Same for Death of the Outsider
Save scumming here, while abused for Clean Hands and Ghost, is really useful for experimenting. In Dark Messiah, I’d enter a combat scenario multiple times to try different methods. Same with Dishonored if I’m doing a High Chaos run and want to experiment with powers.
These games had such an amazing world I loved spending time in. The fantastical/historical setting really sucked me in. Being a stealth game fan (splinter cell was my jam) I really loved these games even tho I never really got into the immersive sim genre. Arkane knows how to craft a game with tons of character, ambiance and intriguing worlds. The power you wield is quite amazing if you play smart. You aren't gonna blast your way through situations but you can covertly wreak havoc and it feels so good.
It is sad to see such a unique game like this one not selling as much as other games, which just repeat their same formula and earn thousands
Also, I recently started admiring stealth games, and seeing one of the only “recent” stealth titles be ignored like that because of the release is outrageous to me.
If you can, I REALLY recomend you play this game. At least in my region the price was kind of high for the play time, but if you can, please play this. You will not regret it.
If you haven't, get the Styx games.
Absolutely hardcore stealth and one of my favorites.
I've been aware of Styx, although haven't checked them out.
Amit I will take a look at it, thanks!
Dishonored is my favorite series of all time I love the way it looks and the atmosphere
Jessamine didn't know Delilah was her sister though. Also the Outsider shared his story as a way to explain the significance of the location Delilah found when she was in the Void.
I've been playing this game again recently, and just got the platinum trophy on the first game. Still love it and the clockwork mansion is definetly one of my fav levels in any game. Really liked the video and you just earned a sub. Keep up the good work!👍
Thanks! Yeah the clockwork mansion is a classic.
I fail to see how this game falls short compared to the games you mentioned. Like with Deus Ex you have so many options and possibilities to achieve your missions. Sure it might be flawed in some ways it definitely is a title I can come back to whenever and feel totally immersed by all the way. That to me is the definition of a classic.
Can we please get a Dishonored 3 Arkane. I really enjoyed the game. Would love a new one on current generation with 60 fps on consoles. My favorite Dishonored was 2. Such a fun game.
Surely one of the reasons why a sequel might not sell as well as its predecessor is because at least some who bought the latter can't afford the hardware upgrades necessary to run the former. I was lucky enough to have just bought (in 2016) a machine that was quite high-end for the time, but I'm sure many people didn't have access to the required minimum specs (and 'minimum' rarely means that it will actually run the game).
So happy I found ur channel, I can tell you're gonna be a classic gaming analysis legend
Any time i wanted a game on IDTech5, i did regret getting it sadly. Even Rage from 2021 makes modern cpus run hotter than normal, while the gpu is doing almost nothing.
jindosh's level is crazy to clear if you're trying to do it without even being noticed once
I really enjoyed your video, great review/commentary and all. On a side note if the “woke” factor is such a turn off for some people, well it’s a shame. I do think that they’re are games that pander too hard and horribly on top of that. But Dishonored & Dishonored 2 aren’t that kind of games. There are mentions of gay characters and pretty badass female characters in both games. I don’t think the game deserved backlash for that since they’ve always been a bit “woke”.
Currently playing the game (I'm at the pen-ultimate mission) and I've got mixed feelings. On balance though it's a recommendation from me. Falling just short of a classic seems a good verdict. The game has some extreme strengths. The art direction is just immaculate. It's in the top top top tier alongside The Last of Us, Persona 5, etc. One of the most beautiful games this last gen, especially if you play it on highest settings on a strong PC. Next is the level design - the environments are not just beautiful, they're such well designed play spaces that walk the fine line between being limited enough that you don't become disoriented while sprawling and detailed enough that you can explore for long periods of time discovering little secrets. The rune/bonecharm collect-a-thon aspect beautifully feeds into it. And of course the stand-out missions of Clockwork Mansion and A Crack in the Slab should be considered all time greats alongside Constantine's Mansion in Thief 1 or the Cradle in Thief 3. Dishonored always had some of the smoothest, enjoyable gameplay and game feel, especially in the immersive sim genre. No other game does it better. The mere act of stalking, peeking around corners, killing or subduing enemies from behind is so enjoyable here. If it all came down to these aspects, the game is basically perfect.
On the other hand though, the writing is quite average. It does well enough in establishing the backdrop and providing a good story through-line that facilitates the great level design concepts. I just felt the writing was lacking in terms of emotional pull or motivation. I found myself not liking Emily all that much. She was evidently a bad ruler. Sure, she was deposed by an even worse one, but it's a weird concept that she would then go on an assassination rampage (thought of course there's always non-lethal solutions available) to reinstate herself. Maybe it feels better if I played as Corvo? Also the political commentary in these games is so tame. The rich elite are morally bankrupt and their greed causes ruin for all these innocent people. It's a true enough commentary on our world for sure, but it doesn't go very far in dissecting or shining a light in the exact ways these things play out except for the most well understood ways.
To be fair though, not many immersive sims actually have anything meaningful to say. It's not usually the focus. Only Deus Ex really did, and except for the first one, they haven't succeeded in being politically interesting either. I just felt like Dishonored 2 in particular puts on these airs of being a story with something to say, with deeper themes or take-aways than most other game.
My favorite part about Dishonored 2 are Emily's powers, you can clip through walls, floors using Far Reach, you can deflect bullets at other enemies with reflexes, pull a batman and pull enemies up towards you also with Far Reach
I love D1 and like D2. What I dislike about D2 are (spoilers)
The story:
Delilah isn't a serious antagonist, but a joke. She can remotely talk to our character in Karnaca, but she never seems to care to contact her little witch sect or send them reinforcements from Dunwall. She knows we're up to something, but chooses to walk in circles in Dunwall tower.
Also, I know it's canon and it would be costly to accout for our D1 decisions, but when playing as Daud, I killed Delilah, so she wouldn't reappear. If the game checked for D1 Save or did it like Mass Effect 3 where we could chose our protagonist's previous actions it would really elevate the game. That of course would mean that Deliah couldn't be the main baddie.
I feel like Dishonored 1 and 2 suffer from lack of interesting, dangerous villains. When I saw Delilahs void section I wasn't interested in learning more about her- I just wanted to get it over it, especially when later I learned he turned Dunwall into total ruin.
I really like exploring the levels in Dishonored 2- they feel lived in, there's some cool environmental storytelling and npcs trying to live in this world... so why does Dreadful Whale have just 1 crew member? How can Billie Lurk do anything if the ship breaks down at sea, at a storm? We should have at least a dozen npcs on that ship.
Also, I understand that there's no shop on the ship, so we use black markets instead, but I'd prefer to have Sokolov or anyone else running a shop aboard, so I could resupply without having to search for a black market or foraging the level ti restock my grenades and springrazors.
I didn't like that dr Hypoxia was the crown killer- she seemingly commited a lot of crimes in Dunwall. It a lot of roundway trips to and fro. Maybe she just went there once and stayed put, but I think as crown killer she's a bit less smart and stands out from the crowd so much, it would be difficult for her to stay in hiding. Maybe they should make someone from Dunwall The Crown Killer?
I also somehow didn't like Stephen Russel as Corvo. He's perfect in Thief, but here, he didn't not gel for me.
All in all, I enjoyed D2, but it feels like Arkane started with gameplay ideas (shifting rooms in clockwork mansion, time travel, a character with a body double in a position of power, female Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde type character) and then, started to write the story around those ideas, sometimes not really hitting it. It's a really good, but flawed game.
Oh, and I really like that they added stun mines and drop down non lethal takedown. Those were great and additions
Of dishinered 1 or 2 which is better for non lethal play ?
thank you, I will give it a try
www.gog.com/game/dishonored_2 currently on sale on gog.
I never played dishonored 1 but went through complete walkthrough in dishonored 2 6 times over 2 years and a few months, I got the platinum 2 weeks ago and I still haven’t got enough of this game.
I have been searching to buy dishonored 1 and doto, only watched them on TH-cam but I can tell that dishonored 1 is amazing and I still want to see more of Dunwall.
Great review !
I’d be curious how you feel about D1 with playing D2 first. It’s the same order I went cuz I’m a new gamer. I absolutely loved D2 and with everyone saying D1 is more brilliant than D2 I had my hopes up too high. I would say that there are things that D2 really enhanced on top of D1 and having them taken away in D1 was a disappointment.
@@summernoir3845 i haven’t played the D1 yet but I am buying the definitive edition next summer cuz I am kinda broke rn. However, from the videos I have watched I definitely can say that the graphics/visuals are way better in D2, the fact that corvo was silent also annoys me, and the minor details like the interactive decor are existent in D2 as well. Not to mention the powers of course.
I am pretty sure the gameplay is the same but idk I haven’t played it myself.
Overall, as D2 is newer, it is obviously better in terms of technology.
Honestly, I am not sure why people praise D1 over D2, obviously the first game won tons of awards and titles but looking at the second one it is also great, i played D2 without knowing the story but I just thought “oh it’s about an empress whose mother got assassinated” and went on playing, even though there were things that I didn’t understand like granny rags whose hand was with Paolo and her diaries were in the flooded basement of the Institute, there was a painting of her as well but I didn’t know who she is BUT these are minor things for me because many paintings were about people from the first game.
Honestly what I enjoyed the most in the second game is world building, which is also in the first game but whatever, I loved the struggle of the ‘jewel of the south’ I loved seeing the gangsters against the religious groups and seeing the underdogs, also the architecture and the blackmarket shops, (I feel like I am gonna say everything lmao)
The only thing that I don’t like which is a big thing is the the chaos meter, I have read and watched that the chaos meter of D1 was changeable like mainly focused on stealth not bodycount but if you do a side mission it reduces the chaos you’ve done unlike dishonored 2 which SUCKS when it comes to this point, i believe you can’t kill more than 4 in low chaos other than that it will be high chaos, stealth and side quests don’t matter at all and once a mission is high chaos, the rest of the game will be high chaos even if you do the rest of the missions in low chaos.
The only thing I really like about the low/high chaos thing is how the world around me Changes, how the outsider dialogues changes, the people who change conversations into more hostile, the bloodflies and the unnecessary deaths, especially in Mission 8, It is very obvious in mission 8, I don’t think if this exists in dishonored 1 (i am not sure tho) but I think that chaos only affected the ending in the D1.
Would love to hear your thoughts as well!
@@summernoir3845 lmao I wrote an essay
Definitely play D1! I just finished D2 for the first time, Ghost and Clean Hands, and it's a lot of fun. The first one has a darker visual atmosphere due to the location it's set in, which is awesome if you like that kind of stuff! D1 also has two awesome DLCs. All Dishonored games (and DLC) are great in their own right, to be honest.
@@WikkeSchrandt I bought the definitive edition and played it twice. In high and low chaos and i am so in love with it. Can’t wait to play it again.
My college admission exam is on Wednesday, once I finish it I will play death of the outsider and go on a marathon for the entire franchise
Since it's connected to Bethesda, which is known for Elder Scrolls and Fallout series... I can't help but wonder what an open world Dishonored would look like. I wanted to explore more of Karnaca and Serkonos (at least part of it)... the Empress should have seen more of her Empire. On the other hand I think they missed a chance to make Delilah more sympathetic... what if she wasn't a 100% villain and improved some things? I would also have liked to see more of the different factions in an area vying for power, like the Howlers vs Abbey conflict. In the end it left me wanting more, but I liked the game very much. If there will ever be a Dishonored 3, I'd want to check it out, sure.
Mass Effect 2's beginning was great, the first time.
For me at least, a pain to get through on subsequent playthroughs. :)
PS
I still gave your video a thumbs up. Good work. :)
I enjoy the first 10 minutes of it, especially stepping out into space. Afterwards, not so much.
Harvey Smith did ZERO to address the inferior sound and stealth aspects, but he DID consult Anita Sarkeesian for her input, SMH. As if she has anything worthwhile to say about a subject that she has never been interested in (and has been caught on camera publicly disparaging).
But having said that, Clockwork Mansion and Crack in the Slab are MAGNIFICENT and are worth paying full price for the game for these 2 missions alone.
This is the best game ever made. I finally picked it back up since b4 2020. You gotta play dishonored 1 and 2 back to back.. 2 is so refined.
Wholly unrelated, but I enjoy your channel and would love to see a video containing your opinion on Enslaved and its DLC.
I replayed Dishonored + DLCs many times, but I couldn't finish Dishonored 2 despite so many attempts. I think the furthest point I got was A Crack in the Slab with Corvo and The Royal Conservatory with Emily. Then I just watched playthrough on YT.
To me D2 didn't have the magic of D1. It's pretty, but not captivating.
The levels are cool but Assassinations can be better. There should me more lethal options rather than just Stealth kill. U know a bit like hitman ? Also there should be multiple ways to eliminate a target without killing them. There's only one option in each level which sucks. Also it needs to have multiple good Endings or Evil endings , the endings should vary based on ur decisions. We needed more of that
About sales, i think strong ideas delivered to potential customers can make or break with immersive sims. Bioshock had a very original world, Bioshock 2 while a good game (i prefer it to the original for its gameplay and story DLC, even if it's a bit too short as a sequel) felt like a rehashing of the same elements, nothing so innovative to make people say "oh that's very different, let's try it!". Bioshock Infinite moved to a fresh bold world with a strong character that people liked. Big sales.
Dishonored had another strong base with its world design and the art style while the sequel is improving that it doesn't deliver (always on the surface, from trailers etc) a strong story, new characters or very different new enviroment that make people that aren't fan of the genre or original think "this is a must have". Same with the newer Deus Ex games.
As for Prey, for me a better (visually and maybe even gameplay wise) enemy design, enviroments that really stand out on the trailers, some bolder ideas in the story delivered within the marketing material would have helped sell more. Outside mimics i don't much else people could be interested to, sci-fi it's hard to sell if something doesn't stand out a lot.
As i said, it's not about the overall quality of the games themselves, all have their interesting stuff if you explore, complete them, It's about the idea that some design elements that are sold better than others.
From another point of view i can also say that probably a more complex gameplay in Bioshock wouldn't have pushed back its popularity. Maybe going too deep yes, but having some better, more comparable gameplay to the original ideas of the genre would have improve things without losing players. Still we have to understand that it was a gamble, an experiment to make it more popular, from our eyes it was too much simplified but they didn't know how much they had to go and they went as much as possible.
Just bought this game and Death Of The Outsider on Steam for $5.54 only. Very excited to play this for the first time :)
I like that save scumming is there, sometimes I'm in that mood and I just wanna redo something. Other times I stick with it when I'm a bit more relaxed about it.
Riddle is easy, i guessed it each play thru, they give u one combo, rest they don't, order doesnt matter, meaning you only move 5 symbols, make sure no repeats, moving randomly solved it in less than a minute each time
I loved Dishonored and played it to death but I've never tried or looked at Dishonored 2 until now. I've been stuck in the Dark Souls 1 & 3 cycle, lol.
It's currently on sale on Gog! www.gog.com/game/dishonored_2
@@BoulderPunch Regarding The Outsider voice, I liked both almost equally. The first one has the advantage of being the original, so that speaks volumes for the second one imho.
I tested the first few levels with Emily, decided that I didn't really love her abilities and decided to change to Corvo. I'm currently doing NG+ as Emily so I can pick and choose between both characters' abilities. I decided to go low chaos but lethal with Corvo and rely heavily on Bend Time to get around a lot of combat. I'm a lot more sneaky and lethal with Emily. The combination of Bend Time, Far Reach and Domino makes for some truly awesome multi kills so I can't get myself to go non lethal.
PS. You can either burn the bloodflies and their nests as "intended" or, alternatively and much more resource friendly, just walk into the nest sword flailing. Bloodflies are not particularly dangerous at all.
I have not played Dishonored 2 due to my computer not being able to run it very well but I do adore the first one. I do, however, think that there is certainly some issues with the way that women are portrayed in the first game, particularly in regards to the characters of Callista and Lady Boyle. The scene with Piero spying on Callista bathing is very gross and the game just brushes past it and doesn't rlly adress it imo. lady Boyle though is definitely a place where the game dropped the ball in regards to its female characters. She is given a horrific non lethal ending where she is sent off to live in man's basement and essentially be his sex slave. It's horrific and very cheap and it feels very unneeded, particularly compared to the other non lethal eliminations.
never really gave dishonored a chance. but after seeing ghostrunner get compared to this i figured id take an actual good look. never realized why i just disregarded it because it looks really good. and the pedigree and genre is right up my alley. just got it used for 5 bucks. from looking at some analysis of this game, it seems the level design and exploration is what i wanted from bioshock infinite but never got.
$5 is a steal for such a great game.
Why do these game review channels all have so little subs
Takes time I guess?
TH-cam gate keeps certain channels
For what it's worth I remember this outsider much more than I remember the first one.. granted I haven't played the first one in many more years than I played the second one but, I don't remember him at all from the first one other than that he was there.. but honestly that's kind of the way that entire game goes with its characters they weren't the strongest part of that of that game LOL.. or any arcane game really.. but I hear they're trying.. you know what that's important.. it's a little scary when you have somebody like machine breeze collaborating on a project and even they can't help the dialogue and it still ends up being pretty bad considering there's some of the best writers of dialogue in the AAA space, and I don't want to blame Bethesda for it.. because the publisher is different from the studio.. and the studio just because they happen to use dark magic in order to make their dialogue so bad that even Patrick Stewart didn't pull it off.. doesn't necessarily mean that they cursed machine breeze.. but it is kind of suspicious? But maybe not cuz they've had very successful dialogues under the Bethesda name regardless and they've had bad dialogue under the breeze name..
A lot of people like to blame Joss whedon.. and it is true Joss whedon is not a great writer when he's not coupled with someone like Tim Minar who can filter that into good writing.. but I like to go to the source and just blame JJ Abrams for everything.. there's way way too many, not even 7 degrees Kevin Bacon that you can do with that more like two or three degrees half the time, sometimes just no degrees where he was just directly the problem..
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As like one of the five people in the world that actually thought Prince of Persia warrior within was an improvement, and actually had really cool game design.. The Mansion is easily the thing that clenched this as well worth my time.. been a very long time since I had seen the multi timeline traversal mechanics, and I am just an absolute sucker for that kind of thing.. was such a just a warm nod to that game out of nowhere.
I’ve never played the original Dishonered. I am going to play both of them tho. Should I play them in order? Should I go a certain route? Is their a better game? I just really love getting information about games I never played.
Yeah, play them in order.
As far as route goes, up to you. Lethal gives you a lot more options to get creative.
Overall I think 1 is the better game, even if Dishonored 2 has better level design and better gameplay.
Not sure about Death of the Outsider, haven't played it.
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I can't finish this game Idk why, dishonored 1 is one of those games that I got addicted too, obsessed bought the art book etc.
But as soon as I started playing dishonored 2 it didn't grab me and I don't know why.
I'll try to work on it again
Yeah positional audio really took a shit when Windows gutted the sound API.. and to make matters worse consoles never really seem to bother with good audio gear, and it wasn't until the rise of middleware (cursed be its name, especially if it's wwise) that we started to see like an acceptable version of positional audio.. if you go back to the older days back when pro logic 2 was King LOL combine that with just even moderately decent headphones and something like source engine and you could get up and down sound as well as full positional audio.. I remember being kind of shocked coming into America's army 3, after playing so much insurgency.. and it had really good positional audio because they tried their best, but it was flat and that actually threw me for a loop a little bit.. now it's just the way it is I guess, I was kind of hoping that at most would start to bring this back but it's you know it's modern day Dolby so if you thought you had to do enough DRM handshakes for old Dolby.. imagine how many you have to do it for new Dolby LOL.. and it's just never really been taking advantage of very well, and it's certainly doesn't exist in the virtual space like it used to..
The addition to this is that sound design also needs a lot of programming work.. hence the middleware, as it seems most of the engine developers don't really care to bother with it.. and there's many of them and when you had the Windows sound suite you had you know something that everybody could kind of work with and people that actually cared and standards that were there already that people were used to... you didn't dare release a game that didn't have 3D positional and virtual audio.. and because sound cards were a thing and audio processing was a thing and well just decent processors were a thing on PC, you could get away with compression and other things that would help out in the long run when it came to evolving more complex sound schemes..
Then the seventh console generation happened, right around the same time that Microsoft gutted the API, primary development moved to consoles, and at least in the case of the PS3 it had no audio processing capability LOL.. which was kind of cool for a moment cuz we got uncompressed audio LOL.. didn't realize what I was giving up with that, as with the Advent of the Blu-ray.. they could just stack the audio files in there and then not process them and I think a lot of that has to do with the target market too... The sound designs kind of a lowest common denominator and we're just starting to break away from the idea that your primary market isn't just using TV speakers.. or at least designed around that they're just using TV speakers..
It's a lot of things that kind of combine but.. one of the worst things that has happened in the history of gaming to the progression of gaming is the lowering of the standards of certain things in a way where you have a generational Gap.. and if they just genuine never were around when something was there then they don't know to miss it.. there's a lot that goes into that including a much larger market expanding where there wasn't such a large market before, as well as people growing up in the era where games basically play themselves lol... And you combine that with the the obsession of visual in the production value.. and this is in movies as well a very rare do movies have good sound work.. but there is an established baseline and a standard for good sound work so it does exist.. unfortunately.. when it comes to games that kind of went away and the only people that really complained about it much were people from the old sound blaster and eax, and Windows XP days..
My landlord is a musician, he's been a musician for for years now since the late seventies I think.. he will not use Windows operating systems past XP, and the reason he has that is because of the way that they were treating sound back then versus the way that they treated it now.. and that means a lot of you know potential upgrades are left on the table in terms of of both power efficiency and coding when it comes to taking advantage of things but at the same time, like I genuinely know what he's talking about when I think about it and I remember these moments in my life where I actually had good headphones and accidentally got a professional suite of dlls and whatnot installed in the operating system where it was actually kind of in the background.. that actually kind of blew my mind, and unfortunately I also lost it a month or two later cuz it was time lock license.. and unfortunately they took it off the market cuz Nvidia can suck it.. I was never able to get quite back to that.. but I didn't think I was going to lose everything in that regard..
I think the only sound software developing tool stuff that was like the next best thing but still kind of disappointing was the one that EA came up with that you saw in crisis, and dead space and whatnot.. it wasn't as good but it wasn't the worst like the rest of the audio API said gone... And just really sad too because DirectX went from being one of the best ways to to have your your stuff set up to just like the bottom.. like it's it's more complicated than just that, people that know what they're talking about will know that and and if they want to call me out feel free because I just rather have the conversation but.. either way it's like you know I've already gone too far for anybody to read this anyway LOL and it's it's weird cuz it's like what we're talking about what was rather than what you're going to get ever again probably and and even if we get something that's close it's never going to like seem the same because it'll be different and built from different parts and maybe we'll get there but.. it's just it's just really sad because these were not that complicated of parts initially and what it seems like we're going in the direction of to get there is an exceptionally complicated series of parts.. and DRM handshakes naturally.. that's the curse of all audiophiles, the idea that you have to suffer at the inferior output to your Superior system because it doesn't have the latest DRM handshake and you just don't want to pay several Grand for an inferior series of hardware..
Just the idea that I would get a higher quality source stream through my cell phone if it was crappier somehow TV processor because it's processed through the TV app.. then I do through my multimedia production computer with dedicated sound hardware, that in all fairness does all the DRM handshakes mind you.. but I still don't get it I'm not allowed LOL cuz that's.. well that's a computer why would you why would you use a computer for multimedia..? Do you not all have phones?
I miss immersive sim games
There's still hope, with games like Gloomwood.
@@BoulderPunch never heard of it but I want to know more
For me I never played the dlc of the first game so I never knew anything about Delilah
There was a fair amount of stuff in the game that required knowledge of the DLC.
Can’t respect anyone that calls Prey a masterpiece and thinks Dishonored 2 is its lesser. Aside from narrative issues in Dishonored 2 the game is flawless.
Very good video.
I loved Dishonored 1 (and played all DLCs). Especially i loved the setting and dunwall.
Somehow i never liked the setting of Kanaka, althought he gameplay might be better in D2, i still prefer D1, coz of the feeling and setting.
Same. D1 is dope
I liked the second a bit more. Because of some levels and the overall graphics and colours. If the second had the masquerade party level it would be perfection.
I got all three Dishonored games for $20. I've done at least 4 playthroughs pf the first game and second game, but only 1 of Death of the Outsider. Something about it just didn't click for me. I think it was that I didn't care for Billie's power set and the story felt a little underdeveloped.
Is this worth picking up if I never played the first one, I’d much rather play this with the better AI, graphics and level design than having to play the first in order to play this.
It is, I do recommend playing through the first game as well. It's not essential though to understand the story, but it does help.
Currently on D1.
I understand it has a distinct art style since ps3 era games looked how they look. Definitely preferred D2 style, just cleaner overall.
it was a good video but i had some issues with it.
1. there were a couple of moments when you said "fortunately" and it didn't really make any sense, like toward the end of the end you "fortunately" emily's mother didn't have a lot of interesting dialogue when using the heart or something like that and i was like ???. there was another time you said it and it was just as baffling but i forgot exactly what it was about. i assume you meant UNfortunately for both instances, lol.
2. as far as the "get woke go broke" shit you were implying with the game having disappointing sales, i'm positive it had nothing to do with that sarkeesian chick you were going on about. i swear she's like a boogeyman among certain gamers and lives rent free in their heads. the general public has no idea who she is and could not care less about her supposed involvement with this game. maybe dishonored 2 just wasn't marketed properly or it simply didn't look interesting enough for most people. it definitely wasn't as fresh as it was in 2012. as for BFV, I can see how sales MIGHT have been impacted when the devs themselves seemed to declare war on some of the playerbase and basically told them to fuck off if they don't want female characters in the game. now personally the game looked weird from the start, the robot arm lady stuff was bizarre, and i wasn't a fan of the beta. i remember when i played operations mode in BF1 and i was dreaming of a d-day operations but that never happened. what a shame.
1. I'm guessing I mean unfortunately.
2. Maybe it didn't come across clear in the video, but I don't think "get woke go broke" had an impact on the game, as I've seen that come up in discussion. Wanted to point it out though and delve into it.
@@BoulderPunch 1. right, that makes sense lol.
2. that stuff rarely if ever has an impact. probably the only time it might've had one was with BFV like i said, but that's it. It didn't happen with captain marvel and and it's not gonna happen to other "woke" games like TLOU2 regardless of what salty neckbeards think.
watching this in retrospect in interesting, since deathloop exists, hopefully they expand upon the gameplay mechanics that were pretty awesome
Emily's Far Reach with Pull never gets old and makes you feel like you're playing Bulletstorm in a steampunk setting.
I'm enamored with this series, its DLCs are equally amazing experiences. It's more of the game, but with completely new powers. D1s DLC are particularly brilliant. I've got nothing but love for this series, every installment is super fun to play and explore. Love seeing Dishonoured love, cool video :D
wait dishonored 2 has DLC?
I am convinced toggable arrow is partly be ause of the major adhd gamer adiance. I will say this, I usually hate those stupid arrows, but occasionally I need them be ause I legit forgot what I'm supposed to do. I've bumped into this in the metro games. Though tbf, I figured out pretty quickly that I didn't know the notepad and the lighter were a thing! But honestly the worst is when it's mandatory/on by default, and it's inaccurate. That drives me crazy.
The subtitles are broken, or misplaced
The addermire footage is so fucking dim lol
There isn't much woke in the game? Oh, come now, that's just not true. Billie Lurk's presentation as an ostensibly sympathetic character for the first time coinciding with making her a lesbian? Aramis Stilton improving miner's rights in Karnaca through the power of dicking the old duke? The devs crowing about how they made Emily's lover ambiguously gendered?
I'm not saying don't add gay characters, before any twitter freaks want to crucify me. Just, why are all the gay characters either shining wonderful people, or the only villains that are presented sympathetically?
All the straight male villains are Saturday morning cartoon villains by comparison.
Jindosh and his robots is a reference to Karras and his robots and the Mechanists from Thief 2. I believe you said you never finished Thief 2? Its basically the same thing.
i had a horrible time playing this, because of techincal issues, which builded up frustration a lot. Like the best representation of my playthrough was the first mission. The caption didnt spawn and i had to restart the my playthrough and after that, well every guard for me had like a randome chance to see me through walls. Also shadows didnt really work for me, like i was standing in the shadows 200 meter away from a guard and he saw me. For me it was pure line of sight I did not finish the game since my experiance was so horrible. The one thing that also pissed me off id whjen you're seen for a split sec they are gonna investigate for a while. I likely wouldnt mind the mechnic IF THE OTHER MECHINCS BLOODY WORKED, it just builded up frustration. Good video tho
The irony is that if what Delilah says is true, then she is the legitimate Empress! This doesn’t mean she’s a good leader and brings up why monarchies were/are a problem. Unless there are laws for royalty to be born in wedlock. Do they understand DNA. Can Jindosh or Sokolov determine lineage from blood tests. If true, then Emily is a dirtbag upsurper, and illegitimate ruler! If grandfather Emperor treated Delilah fairly, like Emily’s mother, would Delilah grown up a gracious leader. Nature vs nurture. At this point Emily is better so one would “vote” for her, so it conveniently works out. But what if personality’s switched. And Emily reinstalls her cruel Delilah-like world and adamant about her justifications, so it brings up uncomfortable political scenarios.
Noticing all these different actors, but no mention of Vincent D'onofrio as Duke Abele?
The best way to play D2 is in no powers mode and all the ui trackers disabled.
I consider both Dishonoreds classics. 2nd one deserves this status in my eyes just for Clockwork Mansion and Crack in the Slab alone.
Cool video, though I will point out the it's in-mediAS-res not in-media -res
Doh!
Man, you're doing a great job, but I shouldn't have to watch the same gameplay clips several times in the same video. But at least they're not looping in this one...
Dishonored 2 has a bunch of amazing features from Dishonored, and alot of bad features too. However, I really love the New Game +, my favorite feature of Dishonored 2. I never could find all the runes in Dishonored, so I never got to max out all skills, or get all of em even. This is why I love New Game +, because it lets you keep your powers
Honestly, I liked the second game better than the first. I prefer Dunwall over Karnaca but the second game had better levels, better visuals, even better atmosphere (yes, I said it).
I Find It Funny The Only Games That Use Light As A Stealth Mechanic Is The Metro Series
Don't they show you where the outsider was made specifically because he says Delilah found this same place and somehow used it to contact her allies outside the void?
Was the Indian guy singing Hey There Delilah taken from a Kitboga scambaiting video? Great stuff, keep it up!
Nice catch. It was.
The Texting for this Video is kinda strange or wrong. The (english) text is not matching the video.
you should do a redux of your dishonored 2 review.
Why get rid of a “save option” bestow entering a room? Lol just don’t use it?
The setting of Serkonos is 🔥
There's no issue with save scumming, being able to doesn't mean you have to. Just like with easy mode.
You're asking for everyone's experience to be altered only because you can't comply with your own "code".
Discipline yourself or change your views on how you should play.
I dont quite understand why the game ran so badly for people? At the time of games release i was playing it with a pc (5820k+980ti+16GB of RAM, game installed on SATA SSD) and the game ran as expected (very well!). From my point of view, the game was optimized well .. My 2 cents.. Anyway, GREAT game! Buy it, play it!.. Maybe there was some texture streaming issues or something,if game was installed on mechanical HDD..
Unpopular opinion I like the new voice for the Outsider more.
It really is laughable how bad the pc launch was. I remember the game put itself on low priority in the task manager and reset to it each time you changed it manually
short answer: yes.
long answer: YAAAAS QUEEEEN!!!
That's one way of putting it.
Boulder Punch to be fair I typed this when I misread the title as dishonored 1
Is system of shock 2 really that good?
lol...i'm salty you put that delilah song in the video, parody version or not. i HATE getting that song stuck in my head smh...
best stealth game of this gen and one of my favourite games of the gen.
Time has been more kind to it as the years have passed.
@@BoulderPunch not sure why this game did not do well can't think of a better stealth game.
The launch performance issues pretty much sealed the fate of this game.
Got all the 3 games bundled on gog, and they have been fully patched and have great performance.
It's really too bad, I think it's quite a step up from Dishonored 2 design-wise.
Subtitles are broken, btw