I have just purchased this tent. I'm glad to have watched your video, everyone raves about this tent so much that I would not have expected any condensation. Now I will not feel let down.
Very disappointed with the condensation levels in poor Scottish weather. Admittedly the conditions weren't ideal but the tent was soaking in the morning. Currently getting your mods in your other video sorted out. Fingers crossed. Great channel. Thanks for all your hard work.
I'm looking at buying either this or the Lanshan. Thanks for what I would consider a really honest review being used in different elements. It kept you safe from the rain and cosy from the wind, so that is a massive plus for me. I like that you commented on the condensation stating how the outside conditions and the setup will effect it differently and not jump to the theory that the tent is the problem. I also like how you stuck with it for 9 days and could give an honest, positive review of it at the end. I think it's definitely pushing me to buying the X-Mid, though I'll probably go for the 1P.
Hi Cornbeef thanks for your nice feedback much appreciated - my reason for buying the X-Mid was that I was looking for a tent there was lightweight and could take beating in bad weather
Thank you, Hans. A very practical and extended review of the Durston in real world conditions. Multi-day trips are the best way to really test out gear.
Thank you for a thorough test and nice video! Camp sites close to mountain lakes tend to provide lower temperatures and more condensation, in my experience. That could explain the conditions you encountered at the later stage of your hiking trip. Still looks like an awesome tent and I am tempted to buy the same model.
Hi Macbruker thanks for your feedback, the campsite was not picked to curse condensation - they were just places we encountered on our hike. I can recommend this tent - there’s a bit of learning curve - but for the weight it gives some good protection from bad weather.
Thank you! I bought the HVUL3 based on your reviews as you were so right. Now this looks another great choice for lightweight adventures .. best wishes from west of Ireland ❤
Hi Kyramckenna you are welcome, glad that my video was helpful. The Copper Spur is a very nice and specious tent ⛺️ Best wishes from east of Denmark 🇩🇰
Great video. I have been thinking of buying the X-Mid pro version but after this video I think maybe not. I am from Finland so the conditions are similar. Some nights you had lots of condensation especially with wet gear in the tent so I think single wall tent is propably not a good idea. The solid looks like a great choise as the inner tent kept your quilt dry
Great to see you experience and report on a variety of conditions. I only have the X-Mid 1P but it's my experience that when one side of the inner is closer to the fly than the other, it's usually a setup problem. You didn't quite get all corners to be 90 degrees. If you have the time, try setting it the tent up deliberately askew. See how the inner tent behaves, and how to correct the pitch. Dan put up a new set up video with troubleshooting tips so you might want to take a look at that. The other possibility, if it's always the same side of the inner that is too close to the fly, is that the inner guylines that attach the inner to the fly is not the correct length. Maybe one line is shorter and pulling the inner tent too much to that corner. It's worth measuring to be sure.
Hi Bergman thanks for your explanation of troubleshooting that the inner is sticking to the fly, you are absolute right that ideally it should be a 90 degrees setup. I have comment Dan first video, and he gave some good tips; 90 degrees and pull the the trekking poles to the right. It's a great tent, but in field conditions in uneven terrain you can not eliminate the problem 100 procent. As you get to know the tent you get better to find the right pitch.
What a pain! I’ll stick with my freestanding double walled tent! It may be a tad bit more weight but it’s simple to setup, free from inner tent condensation wetness, and has a much smaller footprint. Amazing what you have to put up with to use a dyneema trekking pole tent. Great review!
Hi SummitSeeker thanks for your comment - it’s not only the weight that makes the X-Mid attractive but also that it is good in strong winds - but apart from that, you’re right a normal double wall tent
Thank you for sharing these great videos. I am new to backpacking and watched so many videos on this tent brand. This really helped me decide to purchase this same tent. I also appreciate your advice on stakes and using additional lines.
A brilliant real world review of this tent! Thanks for all the tips and for sharing your experience with us. I’m excited to try out my new Xmid 1p Solid and compare it to my Hilleberg Akto. Where were you hiking? It looks amazing!
Hans nice video. I just subbed. I find if you unclip the short corner cords and just allow the sleeping mat to hold the shape of the inner bath tub then the solid inner will not touch the outer fly.
Hello Hans Kirk, I love your content and I have a question. I'm between two tents. The Durston x-mid 2p or the two from Gossamer Gear, since you have tried both? Which one do you advise me from your experience. The third option would be for none hahaha. Thank you very much for your interesting content. Regards.
@ Thank you very much Hanks for responding so quickly. Your answer is of great help to me. I imagined it, but I wanted to know your opinion. Thank you very much!! Greetings!! Good road in your life!
Yo Hans! Just found your channel and watched the montbell plasma video, pure gold and great sense on humour! Now to this one since i have the same tent. All the best from Finland.
Yo Jonihamalainen thanks very much glad you are enjoying my videos - what is your take on the tent, it’s new to me… I have been to Finland 🇫🇮 Bears 🐻 trail and Hetta Palas 😊
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 great trails. I have used this tent 1+1 weeks in vätsäri and muotkatunturi wilderness areas. No proper storm though. I would say that it has a bit of a learning curve with the pitch but it is a great tent. I think that your storm guidelines are not in a best position. I dont have a direct answer to what is best since i have not used it on a storm myself. I have added linelok ladderlocks for the extra guidelines for the easyness of use. Also i have a hook in the vestibule so i can hang my wet shell clothes in there. Have a good one.
You are right about the position of my guide lines - guess it was because I choose the placement of the tent in order to be more level for sleeping 😴 Great idea with the hook in the vestibule, were did you attach it?
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 it is on the loop that attaches the inner tent with clip. Just a bit of cord and a tiny plastic hook and voila we have a permanent hanger for rain gear. Also for condensation there is one trick that i have not tried my self. At the bottom of the door there is a clip, just close that and open the whole zipper and we have a nice opening for the breeze. Of course you have to put your stuff away directly from the zipper if chance of rain.
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 looks like you've got some decent videos will be checking them out, out of the durston mid X and the gossamer gear which tent would u prefer ?
It got down to 35 degrees Fahrenheit last night here in Kentucky had my doors shut with a low pitch no rain but the inside of my tent was soaked I guess because of my breathing. Just the outside of the inner and anything that was touching the inner. It was a two-person solid X mid I had the same problem with the inner sticking to the fly. From what I have experienced my mesh inner on the regular X-MID this doesn't happen
Hi condensation sucks, I have been in contact with the creator Dan Duston and he has some recommendations to avoid that the inner is touching the fly - move the tent poles to the right and try to have a square pich ha ha not easy. He have also made a video about it. I have thought about using balloons between the inner and the fly. I hope my answer was helpful enough
Hej Hans, kampen mod kondens er næsten umulig at vinde. Men som dagene gik lader det til at du har fundet metoden til at holde den på afstand. Synd at i havde så dårligt vejr. Men det virker til (som altid) at du bevare det gode humør ☺️ Tak for videoen Hans og dejligt at du er tilfreds med teltet ⛺️👍
Hej Mahran tak for din fine tilbagemelding - jeg har købt teltet i Slovakiet i en butik der hedder Outdoor Line - de har mange UL ting og service er tip top 🏕️
Excellent video, answered all my questions. I am planning to tent with my 5 year old grandchild, do you think the tent will be sturdy enough for that? Wish you a fine weekend!
Nogle vildt fede videoer du har lavet med dit Durston telt. Jeg overvejer om det mon er det telt jeg skal købe, men vil du anbefale det når teltet primært skal bruges i Danmark, Sverige og Norge? 😊
Hej Karoline Ja og dog - hvis vægt og evnen til at klare blæsevejr er vigtig er det rigtige telt. Hvis komfort og masser af plads er vigtig vil det være bedre med et Big Agnes Copper Spur telt 💁🏼♂️
Hej Hans, Super gode video laver, det gælder bestemt også denne😊 Jeg kan se, fra andre videoer, at du også er, eller har været, flittig bruger af BA copper spur HV UL2. Jeg kunne godt tænke mig at spørge til hvordan du vil sammenligne pladsen i de to BA CS HV UL2 og x-mid 2p når man ligger ned? Jeg har prøvet et copper spur HV UL2 og med mine ca 180cm og på et 6cm underlag røre bunden af min sovepose inderteltet i fodenden og mit hoved røre næste også i hovedenden . Oplever du at der er mere eller mindre plads i CS når man ligger ned (alt efter ens højde...) sammenlignet med x-mid 2p? Mvh Martin
Hej Martin og tak for din kommentar det betyder meget for mig med positiv respons. Der er mere plads i BA teltet, jeg bruger X-Miden fordi den er lettere og kan bedre tåle dårligt vejr. Du kan få BA CS i en forlænget udgave til høje personer - var det hjælpsomt ?
I wonder how the gossamer tent has been behaving. I'm looking at the two, but being 1'97 cm tall I'm probably going to go with the durston 2p, even though Im not planning on going out in bad weather.
Hey Hans, really great that you gave us your experience of the X - Mid over so many nights camping... I hope that this is a new tent... Loved the map shots of your camping locations.. I totally agree with the fact that the wind limits condensation as I pretty much never have any condensation on my camps... Great to hear that you like the vestibule and choice of solid inner. Multi overnight camps are a big challenge for condensation as gear ultimately gets wet and hard to dry on the go.. Finally good to hear that the tent is delivering the features that you have been looking for... best wishes and thank you for sharing this real world video.. Tom
Hi Tom and thanks for your response, as you know I live in a country without mountains, and strong winds. So my biggest concern is condensation - so on multiple days in the tent - it can really ruin your trip and ultimately be a safety issue. As you mentioned in your review of the X-Mid - it’s not the best tent for stormy conditions because of the large panels of fabric on the sides. I’m looking forward to try it out in winter conditions. For my use I think it’s a great tent and I’m really happy with the weight🙂
Hi Captain 🧑✈️ No I never use a footprint and I have never experienced a puncture A footprint only ad weight to your backpack You just need to “clean” the ground for sticks and stones
Hey hey Hans, Great video. Compliments. At this moment I own a Hilleberg Enan andd a fjallraven Dome 2. I’m thinking buying the duration mid 2 solid, but where can I buy this in a good web- or shop in Europe? Do you also have the groundsheet? Best regards and great adventures Michel
Hi Michel thank you for your nice comment. I don’t have the groundsheet I have bought my X-Mid in a Slovakian outdoor shop; Outdoorline but now they only have DCF version
I understand you switched to the X-Mid from the Copper Spur to get better wind resistance, but I'm wondering why you didn't try a lightweight tunnel tent like the Nordisk Telemark? All three seem to weigh around 1 kg and, and just from reading it specs, it sounds the Telemark would offer better wind and water resistance, while being designed for the Scandinavian wet and windy conditions (such a being able to set up the tent without the inner getting wet) compared to the American style X-Mid and Copper Spur. I'm just curious about your thoughts because most ultralight gear talk is centered around people hiking in much milder conditions than you are.
Hi yes that’s a good question In nice weather the Copper Spur tents are my preferred tent because lots of interior space… I also use a Fjellraven Abisko tent in the winter time but it’s very heavy and prone to lots of condensation. I have for a long time been looking for a lightweight winter tent… in my opinion Nordisk Telemark will have issues with condensation, but maybe i am wrong
Hi Hans I've just ordered the xmid 1p solid it arrives jn a cpl days i e thought about getting the tent for iver a year as i wasn't sure how it would cope with uk weather and the places where i camp mainly in the lake District where pitches can be very uneven and therea lots if rain and wind.when its windy do you pitch a corner into rhe wind or pitch it head on.
Hi Craig congratulations with your new tent... its a little difficult to get the perfect pitch, in uneven terrain - and I would not have the sides of the tent up against the wind, but it helps with guidelines. I recommend that you practice the tent set up before going on a demanding hike. Was my replay helpful?
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 it can be hard to judge reviews especially when there just in there garden where it's very flat or Americans who all camp at camp grounds and again there usually flat and sheltered
i 've found this video totally representative to my own experience , especially around the mont blanc, the innet tent, could be stuck but i've never complained about moisture inside after a big rainy night. typically the reason why i won't go back to single wall tents. I don'tg regret the solid version. Jerome_dehors
Hi Jerome, nice to meet a person with the same opinion about the X-Mid. There’s no doubt about what causes the inner tent to stick to the fly, it’s difficult to pitch the tent in a perfect square, in real wilderness conditions. I have been in dialogue with Dan Durston and he suggests; moving the trekking pole to the right. In my experience it helps a little, I have thought about bringing some balloons 🎈to put between the inner and the fly. As you mentioned the most important thing is that the inner stays dry.
Hej Hans. Tak for din fine video 😃Jeg har det samme telt og havde det med i ti dage i Skotland i maj måned. Jeg havde også problemet med Inderteltet, der rørte det ydre. Der kom dog aldrig væde ind i kabinen, så det var et ret lille problem, synes jeg. Men dejligt at se, at du har fundet løsningen. Jeg købte dette groundsheet i Kina i den store størrelse og klippede det til, så det dækkede HELE teltet, da jeg tror, at meget fugt kommer fra jorden og ind i teltet. Vægt ca 275 gram. FLAME'S CREED Ultralight Tarp 210x300 cm. Glæder mig til flere videoer ! 👍☺️
Hej Kim godt du kunne lide videoen og rart at høre fra en dansker med det samme telt. Lyder som en god ide med det groundsheet - så det dækker også absis ? Jeg har selv tænkt på at gøre det samme så det bliver bedre til den kolde tid.
Thanks a lot for the review, Hans. I really like your style of reviewing. I've also watched your Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL 3 videos and I'm trying to decide which tent I should get for hiking in northwestern Europe. Which of these two tents would you pick for Scandinavian conditions, in terms of durability, storm worthiness and space? I'm 194 cm tall and I would like to fit in the tent together with my partner, who isn't as tall. Big Agnes makes a long version of the Copper Spur HV UL 3 with even more space, so this would seem the obvious choice, but the material of the fly and floor seem very fragile, the nylon seems to suck up a lot of water adding weight and bulk and I have the impression the X-mid performs better in windy conditions. Many thanks in advance for your advice. 🙏
Hi Dop I guess it’s a difficult choice - there’s more space in the Copper Spur and with the long version you will have plenty of room for 2 person. Have you seen my video where I test the Copper Spur in windy conditions. You can’t fit a large sleeping pads in the X-Mid, but it’s lighter and more durable.
@@hanskirk-hiking9697Can you comment on the durability of the Copper Spur, specifically the floor? I thought you could fit two large pads in the X-mid 2? Yeah, I saw your video, very clever way to stabalize the tent. 😄 Is there another tent option you could recommend? Hilleberg seems extremely durable, but also very cramped for tall people. Thanks again, Hans!
No problem with tent floor in the Copper Spur - you fit to large pads in the X-Mid if they are mummy shaped. It’s only the wind (and weight) there’s an issue with the Copper Spur, Hilleberg tents are very expensive. Go for the Copper Spur it’s a great specious tent ⛺️ and just find a suitable tent spot.
Hi Hans. I live in The Netherlands and hike in the Alps, Pirinees, Scotland and Lapland. I am struggling with tent options. I am considering an X-Mid 2 Solid or a Big Agnes Copper Spur 2. I feel that the Big Agnes is more versatile but its stormworthiness worries me a bit. Between those two, which one would you choose if you would be buying a 'do it all tent' because you don't want to have more than one tent?
I have the Copper Spur and I bought the X-Mid because it’s more lightweight and it’s handling strong winds better. By the way have you seen my video of the Copper Spur in a storm test? I hope my answer was helpful 😊
Hi Hans. Thanks four answer. If the tent has worked well in Scandinavia, then I will order one! The video you made about small improvements is very useful.
Hej Jesperri - nej teltet er lavet til det og der er en forstærkning af materialet og en messing ring - men hvis man ikke gør det rigtigt går de lige igennem yderteltet 😊
Hej Hans, Som altid en fornøjelse at se dine videoer - thumbs up 🙂Opbevarer du indertelt og ydertelt i seperate poser når du pakker det ned, så du har en tør kabine når du slår det op næste gang, eller krøller du det bare sammen i en pose, og tører det så godt du kan når du så slår det op igen? Jeg overvejer selv samme telt, eller Xmid Pro, men at du i videoen oplvede tør inderkabine selvom det rørte yderteltet tiltaler mig meget. Jeg vil også gerne have at min pose er helt tør næste morgen :-) Vh Mark.
Hej Mark tak for komplimentet 🙂 Jeg havde det i samme pose og jeg havde tænkt på og medbragt en pose til inderteltet - men det er lidt noget bøvl - efter en lang dag på trailen, at montere inder teltet… Selv om det var lidt fugtigt når jeg satte det op tørrede det lyn hurtigt og nattens kondendens var også fordampet inden jeg pakkede teltet sammen. En anden fordel ved at holde inder teltet for dig kunne være at man kunne sætte yder teltet op hvis man blev overrasket af dårligt vejr - jeg tror godt man kan sætte det op et sted der er stenet og udjævnet - og så søge ly under det 🏕️🙂
Hi Gedas3 yes you can it’s because I want to be able to use the tent in winter conditions - I have for a long time been looking for a tent there are light and strong enough
So solid mesh somehow make inside tent warmer in cold days? Or it just because of wind? I just don't understand what difference make solid mesh versus regular transparent in real life conditions. @@hanskirk-hiking9697
In my experience a mesh inner retains some heat and can also protect agents dripping condensation, the solid inner just better. In really cold and freezing temperatures it could be better to set the tent up without a inner tent because freezing condensation will stick to the fabric (inner) and create a snowfall when you are touching the inner. I hope my answer helps you and be aware that it’s just my opinion. 🙂
Were you able to raise the pitch to create more air flow to reduce interior condensation. Wonder if the mesh body would be better even in colder climes.
Hi Hoser yes you can raise the fly so air can flow under the fly… a mesh body will help with airflow, but in very windy conditions I guess the solid body is better ⛺️
Hi Hans. How have you managed to attach a clothes line inside the inner tent? Are there attach points with the Solid version? (i have the regular X-Mid, not the Solid)
Hi Dor The non-solid version is much lighter and more expensive. I am sure you could make it work in colder climates but there will be a issue with condensation
I've found it pretty much impossible to stop the inner touching and sticking to the outer if there's condensation in my xmid 2 solid. It's very frustrating and I have had water run down the walls and pool in the corners due to it. I never had any issues with my Drop Xmid1.
Hi Simpler - maybe you could read the comment below from Bertman4 - there are some hacks you could use - but you are right condensation is a real and serious problem.
What is your height and do you think 187 cm can live well in this tent? I was thinking of getting the 1P tent, do you think its better to get the 2P just to have some flexibility?
My height is 175 cm and I think the best option for you and your 187 cm will be the 2 person version. Most of the time i am alone in my 2 person version, and I enjoy the space.
Hej Jakob - det er faktisk grunden til at jeg anskaffede mig et X-Mid - vinden i bjergene er ikke lige sagen for et Copper Spur. X-Mid’en klarede vinden fint og inder teltet dækkede også godt af for den kolde vind. Men hvis det ikke blæser fortrækker jeg Copper Spur teltet - der er bare så meget plads inden i det 🏕️
Ja det tror jeg også fordi at inder teltet er bedre adskildt fra yder teltet, men Copper Spur er jo en del tungere. Lige nu er jeg i Grib Skov og har Copper Spur teltet med - det klare det lige - men det ærger mig st jeg ikke havde taget X-Mid’en med - vindstød af stormstyrke ha ha 💨🌧️
Hello Hans Kirk, I love your content and I have a question. I'm between two tents. The Durston x-mid 2p or the two from Gossamer Gear, since you have tried both? Which one do you advise me from your experience. The third option would be for none hahaha. Thank you very much for your interesting content. Regards.
There is only one true test for any tent and that's the " Hans Kirk Test" Thank you sir 🙂
Hi Bruce thank you for your nice comment 🙂
Great review (best I've found on this tent)....Thanks!
Thanks 😊
I have just purchased this tent. I'm glad to have watched your video, everyone raves about this tent so much that I would not have expected any condensation. Now I will not feel let down.
Glad that the video was helpful and thank you for your feedback 😊
Best review of this tent on the Internet 👍
Hi Mr best feedback, thanks 🙂
You know it's a good tent, when Hans says so.
Hello Mr Wrob ha ha thanks a lot 😊
3:30 in and you answered all I needed. No way. Back to the drawing board for my new tent !
Yes the inner tent sticks to the fly ha ha
Very disappointed with the condensation levels in poor Scottish weather. Admittedly the conditions weren't ideal but the tent was soaking in the morning. Currently getting your mods in your other video sorted out. Fingers crossed. Great channel. Thanks for all your hard work.
Hi Jsck thanks so very much…. glad that my video was helpful
Exactly the info I was looking for on the exact tent.
Hi Bike Life glad the video was helpful and thanks for your comment
Great video, Hans. This is one of the best and most thorough and honest reviews of a tent I've seen. Keep up the good work!
Hi Christopher that was some nice feedback much appreciated 😀
again a very nice, very detailed and unagitated video
Hi Patrick thanks for your message, comments like yours means a lot to me 🙂
Your videos are great; honest, thorough and helpful. Thank you.
Hi thanks very much 😊
I just bought mine for my wife and I. We are in California and SUPER excited!!! After this video I’m so much more excited
Congratulations with your new tent and i am glad that you enjoyed my video 😊
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 it is clarification I made the best decision but it 🙌
It’s a great tent - but there’s a learning curve in setting it up, getting the right pitch
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 totally!!! Dan does a great new video of pitch options. Very good
Yes I have seen the video several times it’s very good 😊
Congrats on mastering the pitch technique!
Thanks
I'm looking at buying either this or the Lanshan. Thanks for what I would consider a really honest review being used in different elements. It kept you safe from the rain and cosy from the wind, so that is a massive plus for me. I like that you commented on the condensation stating how the outside conditions and the setup will effect it differently and not jump to the theory that the tent is the problem. I also like how you stuck with it for 9 days and could give an honest, positive review of it at the end. I think it's definitely pushing me to buying the X-Mid, though I'll probably go for the 1P.
Hi Cornbeef thanks for your nice feedback much appreciated - my reason for buying the X-Mid was that I was looking for a tent there was lightweight and could take beating in bad weather
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 They're my two main factors in buying as well so looks like I'll be going for the X-Mid :)
Glad that my video was helpful… what version 1-2 person and solid inner ? 🏕️
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 Yeah I think the 1P will be enough for me and a solid inner sounds a bit comfier if the rougher weather
Good luck with the tent
Outstanding presentation
Hi Doyle - much appreciated 😊
Thank you, Hans. A very practical and extended review of the Durston in real world conditions. Multi-day trips are the best way to really test out gear.
Hello Dominolastley thank you so much for your feedback much appreciated
Thank you Mr Kirk, you just made my mind up 😉👌
Thanks and glad that the video was helpful
Truly excellent review
Thanks very much
Thank you for a thorough test and nice video! Camp sites close to mountain lakes tend to provide lower temperatures and more condensation, in my experience. That could explain the conditions you encountered at the later stage of your hiking trip. Still looks like an awesome tent and I am tempted to buy the same model.
Hi Macbruker thanks for your feedback, the campsite was not picked to curse condensation - they were just places we encountered on our hike.
I can recommend this tent - there’s a bit of learning curve - but for the weight it gives some good protection from bad weather.
Thank you! I bought the HVUL3 based on your reviews as you were so right. Now this looks another great choice for lightweight adventures .. best wishes from west of Ireland ❤
Hi Kyramckenna you are welcome, glad that my video was helpful. The Copper Spur is a very nice and specious tent ⛺️
Best wishes from east of Denmark 🇩🇰
Thanks for a really good and informative video. 👍
Hello Paul glad you liked the video 😊
Great video. I have been thinking of buying the X-Mid pro version but after this video I think maybe not. I am from Finland so the conditions are similar. Some nights you had lots of condensation especially with wet gear in the tent so I think single wall tent is propably not a good idea. The solid looks like a great choise as the inner tent kept your quilt dry
Hi TopO thanks for your comment
I am upset with weight but I hate condensation ha ha
And you will save some money buying the solid version 🙂
Great to see you experience and report on a variety of conditions. I only have the X-Mid 1P but it's my experience that when one side of the inner is closer to the fly than the other, it's usually a setup problem. You didn't quite get all corners to be 90 degrees. If you have the time, try setting it the tent up deliberately askew. See how the inner tent behaves, and how to correct the pitch. Dan put up a new set up video with troubleshooting tips so you might want to take a look at that.
The other possibility, if it's always the same side of the inner that is too close to the fly, is that the inner guylines that attach the inner to the fly is not the correct length. Maybe one line is shorter and pulling the inner tent too much to that corner. It's worth measuring to be sure.
Hi Bergman thanks for your explanation of troubleshooting that the inner is sticking to the fly, you are absolute right that ideally it should be a 90 degrees setup. I have comment Dan first video, and he gave some good tips; 90 degrees and pull the the trekking poles to the right.
It's a great tent, but in field conditions in uneven terrain you can not eliminate the problem 100 procent. As you get to know the tent you get better to find the right pitch.
What a pain! I’ll stick with my freestanding double walled tent! It may be a tad bit more weight but it’s simple to setup, free from inner tent condensation wetness, and has a much smaller footprint. Amazing what you have to put up with to use a dyneema trekking pole tent. Great review!
Hi SummitSeeker thanks for your comment - it’s not only the weight that makes the X-Mid attractive but also that it is good in strong winds - but apart from that, you’re right a normal double wall tent
@@SummitSeeker546 there was no condensation or serious wet issues on the inner on any of the nights he was there
@@SummitSeeker546 when freestanding tent is at home, of course there won't be any condensation in it. try going on a hike with it
Its so good and relaxing watching you👌😎 thx
Thanks Thomas much appreciated
Thank you for sharing these great videos. I am new to backpacking and watched so many videos on this tent brand. This really helped me decide to purchase this same tent. I also appreciate your advice on stakes and using additional lines.
Thanks so much for your feedback, glad that the video was helpful
A brilliant real world review of this tent! Thanks for all the tips and for sharing your experience with us. I’m excited to try out my new Xmid 1p Solid and compare it to my Hilleberg Akto. Where were you hiking? It looks amazing!
Hi Andrew thanks a lot - the X-Mid is a more spacious tent than the Akto and much lighter
I was hiking in Femundsmarka and Rouen national parks
Hans nice video. I just subbed. I find if you unclip the short corner cords and just allow the sleeping mat to hold the shape of the inner bath tub then the solid inner will not touch the outer fly.
Hi Olan a very welcome to the channel 😊
I will try your hack with the short corner cord - this weekend, thanks for the tip
Hello Hans Kirk, I love your content and I have a question. I'm between two tents. The Durston x-mid 2p or the two from Gossamer Gear, since you have tried both? Which one do you advise me from your experience. The third option would be for none hahaha. Thank you very much for your interesting content. Regards.
Thanks for your nice comment
I would choose the X-Mid because it’s a double wall tent
The condensation in The One and Two is terrible
@ Thank you very much Hanks for responding so quickly. Your answer is of great help to me. I imagined it, but I wanted to know your opinion. Thank you very much!! Greetings!! Good road in your life!
You are welcome 🤗
Yo Hans! Just found your channel and watched the montbell plasma video, pure gold and great sense on humour! Now to this one since i have the same tent. All the best from Finland.
Yo Jonihamalainen thanks very much glad you are enjoying my videos - what is your take on the tent, it’s new to me…
I have been to Finland 🇫🇮 Bears 🐻 trail and Hetta Palas 😊
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 great trails. I have used this tent 1+1 weeks in vätsäri and muotkatunturi wilderness areas. No proper storm though. I would say that it has a bit of a learning curve with the pitch but it is a great tent. I think that your storm guidelines are not in a best position. I dont have a direct answer to what is best since i have not used it on a storm myself. I have added linelok ladderlocks for the extra guidelines for the easyness of use. Also i have a hook in the vestibule so i can hang my wet shell clothes in there. Have a good one.
You are right about the position of my guide lines - guess it was because I choose the placement of the tent in order to be more level for sleeping 😴
Great idea with the hook in the vestibule, were did you attach it?
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 it is on the loop that attaches the inner tent with clip. Just a bit of cord and a tiny plastic hook and voila we have a permanent hanger for rain gear.
Also for condensation there is one trick that i have not tried my self. At the bottom of the door there is a clip, just close that and open the whole zipper and we have a nice opening for the breeze. Of course you have to put your stuff away directly from the zipper if chance of rain.
Thanks for nice tips I’ve try them out on my next hike 🇩🇰
Didn't realise Wayne linekar had a outdoor channel will deffo be subscribing
Hi Wayne has a channel and welcome 😃
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 looks like you've got some decent videos will be checking them out, out of the durston mid X and the gossamer gear which tent would u prefer ?
In nice weather I prefer The One because it’s lighter and in bad weather it’s the X-Mid
Thanks I live in the UK and hike with my partner think we will go with the X mid happy hiking my friend
Hi Kris good choice UK 🇬🇧 known for its inclement weather
Stay safe
Thanks Hans! 🇧🇷
You are welcome 🤗
It got down to 35 degrees Fahrenheit last night here in Kentucky had my doors shut with a low pitch no rain but the inside of my tent was soaked I guess because of my breathing. Just the outside of the inner and anything that was touching the inner. It was a two-person solid X mid I had the same problem with the inner sticking to the fly. From what I have experienced my mesh inner on the regular X-MID this doesn't happen
Hi condensation sucks, I have been in contact with the creator Dan Duston and he has some recommendations to avoid that the inner is touching the fly - move the tent poles to the right and try to have a square pich ha ha not easy. He have also made a video about it.
I have thought about using balloons between the inner and the fly.
I hope my answer was helpful enough
Hej Hans, kampen mod kondens er næsten umulig at vinde. Men som dagene gik lader det til at du har fundet metoden til at holde den på afstand.
Synd at i havde så dårligt vejr. Men det virker til (som altid) at du bevare det gode humør ☺️
Tak for videoen Hans og dejligt at du er tilfreds med teltet ⛺️👍
Tak Steen - det er det telt jeg altid har drømt om ☺️
Hei Hans
Takk for flotte videoer du lager. Lurte på Dursten teltet. Kjøpte du i Sverige eller?
Mvh
Mehran
Hej Mahran tak for din fine tilbagemelding - jeg har købt teltet i Slovakiet i en butik der hedder Outdoor Line - de har mange UL ting og service er tip top 🏕️
Excellent video, answered all my questions. I am planning to tent with my 5 year old grandchild, do you think the tent will be sturdy enough for that? Wish you a fine weekend!
Hi Roybinson thanks so mush - yes absolutely is it sturdy enough 😊
Nice video mate, I’ve just brought a xmid 2 - have you had yours out in any wind ? If so how was it ?
Thanks, and congratulations with your new tent.
I have been in some strong winds and with the guidelines it handles it quite well
Nogle vildt fede videoer du har lavet med dit Durston telt. Jeg overvejer om det mon er det telt jeg skal købe, men vil du anbefale det når teltet primært skal bruges i Danmark, Sverige og Norge? 😊
Hej Karoline
Ja og dog - hvis vægt og evnen til at klare blæsevejr er vigtig er det rigtige telt. Hvis komfort og masser af plads er vigtig vil det være bedre med et Big Agnes Copper Spur telt 💁🏼♂️
Hej Hans,
Super gode video laver, det gælder bestemt også denne😊
Jeg kan se, fra andre videoer, at du også er, eller har været, flittig bruger af BA copper spur HV UL2.
Jeg kunne godt tænke mig at spørge til hvordan du vil sammenligne pladsen i de to BA CS HV UL2 og x-mid 2p når man ligger ned?
Jeg har prøvet et copper spur HV UL2 og med mine ca 180cm og på et 6cm underlag røre bunden af min sovepose inderteltet i fodenden og mit hoved røre næste også i hovedenden .
Oplever du at der er mere eller mindre plads i CS når man ligger ned (alt efter ens højde...) sammenlignet med x-mid 2p?
Mvh Martin
Hej Martin og tak for din kommentar det betyder meget for mig med positiv respons. Der er mere plads i BA teltet, jeg bruger X-Miden fordi den er lettere og kan bedre tåle dårligt vejr. Du kan få BA CS i en forlænget udgave til høje personer - var det hjælpsomt ?
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 Hej Hans, Det er meget fint og mange tak for meget hurtigt svar.
Det var en fornøjelse 😀
Hi Hans. Thank you for this video. Do you use groundsheet ? Best regards Casper
Hi Casper thanks for your feedback, no I don’t use a groundsheet because I’m into lightweight hiking 🥾
I wonder how the gossamer tent has been behaving. I'm looking at the two, but being 1'97 cm tall I'm probably going to go with the durston 2p, even though Im not planning on going out in bad weather.
The One did actually well…. The Two is lighter than the X-Mid
Hey Hans, really great that you gave us your experience of the X - Mid over so many nights camping... I hope that this is a new tent... Loved the map shots of your camping locations.. I totally agree with the fact that the wind limits condensation as I pretty much never have any condensation on my camps... Great to hear that you like the vestibule and choice of solid inner. Multi overnight camps are a big challenge for condensation as gear ultimately gets wet and hard to dry on the go.. Finally good to hear that the tent is delivering the features that you have been looking for... best wishes and thank you for sharing this real world video.. Tom
Hi Tom and thanks for your response, as you know I live in a country without mountains, and strong winds. So my biggest concern is condensation - so on multiple days in the tent - it can really ruin your trip and ultimately be a safety issue. As you mentioned in your review of the X-Mid - it’s not the best tent for stormy conditions because of the large panels of fabric on the sides.
I’m looking forward to try it out in winter conditions.
For my use I think it’s a great tent and I’m really happy with the weight🙂
Hi,do you use a footprint to protect the base. I only camp on grass so I’m hoping I won’t need one.
Hi Captain 🧑✈️
No I never use a footprint and I have never experienced a puncture
A footprint only ad weight to your backpack
You just need to “clean” the ground for sticks and stones
@ thank you 👍
Hope you could use my advice 😊
Great video! I have the X-Mid solid 2. What do I need to do to make sure the fly doesn't touch the inner? Make it really taut?
Hi Michael and thanks 😊 first you need a real flat spot and perfect pitch.
You can try to move the tent pole to the right, was that helpful ?
@@hanskirk-hiking9697Thank you❤️Yes very helpful!
Hey hey Hans,
Great video. Compliments. At this moment I own a Hilleberg Enan andd a fjallraven Dome 2. I’m thinking buying the duration mid 2 solid, but where can I buy this in a good web- or shop in Europe?
Do you also have the groundsheet?
Best regards and great adventures
Michel
Hi Michel thank you for your nice comment.
I don’t have the groundsheet I have bought my X-Mid in a Slovakian outdoor shop; Outdoorline but now they only have DCF version
Ok thanks. I also mailed the question to the factory. Happy trails. And who knows, maybe we’ll meet sometimes. 👍
I hope so 😀
I understand you switched to the X-Mid from the Copper Spur to get better wind resistance, but I'm wondering why you didn't try a lightweight tunnel tent like the Nordisk Telemark? All three seem to weigh around 1 kg and, and just from reading it specs, it sounds the Telemark would offer better wind and water resistance, while being designed for the Scandinavian wet and windy conditions (such a being able to set up the tent without the inner getting wet) compared to the American style X-Mid and Copper Spur. I'm just curious about your thoughts because most ultralight gear talk is centered around people hiking in much milder conditions than you are.
Hi yes that’s a good question
In nice weather the Copper Spur tents are my preferred tent because lots of interior space… I also use a Fjellraven Abisko tent in the winter time but it’s very heavy and prone to lots of condensation.
I have for a long time been looking for a lightweight winter tent… in my opinion Nordisk Telemark will have issues with condensation, but maybe i am wrong
Merci pour ce partage, je possède la Gossamer Gear The One et j'aimerais également me dirigier vers la X mid. Mais où l'acheter en Europe?
Hello Gauthier merci
Hi Hans I've just ordered the xmid 1p solid it arrives jn a cpl days i e thought about getting the tent for iver a year as i wasn't sure how it would cope with uk weather and the places where i camp mainly in the lake District where pitches can be very uneven and therea lots if rain and wind.when its windy do you pitch a corner into rhe wind or pitch it head on.
Hi Craig congratulations with your new tent... its a little difficult to get the perfect pitch, in uneven terrain - and I would not have the sides of the tent up against the wind, but it helps with guidelines.
I recommend that you practice the tent set up before going on a demanding hike.
Was my replay helpful?
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 thanks yes it was helpful I always set my new tents up a few times before using them in the mountains 👍
Very good I hope you will be satisfied with the X-Mid - and accept the learning process 😊
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 it can be hard to judge reviews especially when there just in there garden where it's very flat or Americans who all camp at camp grounds and again there usually flat and sheltered
You are right Craig - it’s the tent downside that it is difficult to set up in real world conditions 👍🏻
i 've found this video totally representative to my own experience , especially around the mont blanc, the innet tent, could be stuck but i've never complained about moisture inside after a big rainy night. typically the reason why i won't go back to single wall tents. I don'tg regret the solid version.
Jerome_dehors
Hi Jerome, nice to meet a person with the same opinion about the X-Mid.
There’s no doubt about what causes the inner tent to stick to the fly, it’s difficult to pitch the tent in a perfect square, in real wilderness conditions.
I have been in dialogue with Dan Durston and he suggests; moving the trekking pole to the right.
In my experience it helps a little, I have thought about bringing some balloons 🎈to put between the inner and the fly.
As you mentioned the most important thing is that the inner stays dry.
Hej Hans. Tak for din fine video 😃Jeg har det samme telt og havde det med i ti dage i Skotland i maj måned. Jeg havde også problemet med Inderteltet, der rørte det ydre. Der kom dog aldrig væde ind i kabinen, så det var et ret lille problem, synes jeg. Men dejligt at se, at du har fundet løsningen. Jeg købte dette groundsheet i Kina i den store størrelse og klippede det til, så det dækkede HELE teltet, da jeg tror, at meget fugt kommer fra jorden og ind i teltet. Vægt ca 275 gram.
FLAME'S CREED Ultralight Tarp 210x300 cm.
Glæder mig til flere videoer ! 👍☺️
Hej Kim godt du kunne lide videoen og rart at høre fra en dansker med det samme telt.
Lyder som en god ide med det groundsheet - så det dækker også absis ?
Jeg har selv tænkt på at gøre det samme så det bliver bedre til den kolde tid.
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 jep - det dækker også apsis. Også dejligt, at man kan sætte sine ting på et tørt sted… ☺️
Mines like a rain forest inside but i mainly pitch on grass and not summits. Im struggling to get away with it. I have to 1p version. 😅
Year condensation is a huge problem
Thanks a lot for the review, Hans. I really like your style of reviewing. I've also watched your Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL 3 videos and I'm trying to decide which tent I should get for hiking in northwestern Europe. Which of these two tents would you pick for Scandinavian conditions, in terms of durability, storm worthiness and space? I'm 194 cm tall and I would like to fit in the tent together with my partner, who isn't as tall. Big Agnes makes a long version of the Copper Spur HV UL 3 with even more space, so this would seem the obvious choice, but the material of the fly and floor seem very fragile, the nylon seems to suck up a lot of water adding weight and bulk and I have the impression the X-mid performs better in windy conditions.
Many thanks in advance for your advice. 🙏
Hi Dop I guess it’s a difficult choice - there’s more space in the Copper Spur and with the long version you will have plenty of room for 2 person.
Have you seen my video where I test the Copper Spur in windy conditions.
You can’t fit a large sleeping pads in the X-Mid, but it’s lighter and more durable.
@@hanskirk-hiking9697Can you comment on the durability of the Copper Spur, specifically the floor? I thought you could fit two large pads in the X-mid 2?
Yeah, I saw your video, very clever way to stabalize the tent. 😄
Is there another tent option you could recommend? Hilleberg seems extremely durable, but also very cramped for tall people.
Thanks again, Hans!
No problem with tent floor in the Copper Spur - you fit to large pads in the X-Mid if they are mummy shaped.
It’s only the wind (and weight) there’s an issue with the Copper Spur, Hilleberg tents are very expensive.
Go for the Copper Spur it’s a great specious tent ⛺️ and just find a suitable tent spot.
My inner shell doesn’t touch the outer layer. Hmm? I gotta test it out again.
Lucky you 😀
Hi Hans. I live in The Netherlands and hike in the Alps, Pirinees, Scotland and Lapland. I am struggling with tent options. I am considering an X-Mid 2 Solid or a Big Agnes Copper Spur 2. I feel that the Big Agnes is more versatile but its stormworthiness worries me a bit. Between those two, which one would you choose if you would be buying a 'do it all tent' because you don't want to have more than one tent?
I have the Copper Spur and I bought the X-Mid because it’s more lightweight and it’s handling strong winds better.
By the way have you seen my video of the Copper Spur in a storm test?
I hope my answer was helpful 😊
Hi Hans. Thanks four answer. If the tent has worked well in Scandinavia, then I will order one! The video you made about small improvements is very useful.
Hi Tica you are welcome
Er du ikke nervøs for at stavene går igennem når du vender dem med spidsen op?
Hej Jesperri - nej teltet er lavet til det og der er en forstærkning af materialet og en messing ring - men hvis man ikke gør det rigtigt går de lige igennem yderteltet 😊
Hej Hans,
Som altid en fornøjelse at se dine videoer - thumbs up 🙂Opbevarer du indertelt og ydertelt i seperate poser når du pakker det ned, så du har en tør kabine når du slår det op næste gang, eller krøller du det bare sammen i en pose, og tører det så godt du kan når du så slår det op igen?
Jeg overvejer selv samme telt, eller Xmid Pro, men at du i videoen oplvede tør inderkabine selvom det rørte yderteltet tiltaler mig meget. Jeg vil også gerne have at min pose er helt tør næste morgen :-)
Vh Mark.
Hej Mark tak for komplimentet 🙂
Jeg havde det i samme pose og jeg havde tænkt på og medbragt en pose til inderteltet - men det er lidt noget bøvl - efter en lang dag på trailen, at montere inder teltet…
Selv om det var lidt fugtigt når jeg satte det op tørrede det lyn hurtigt og nattens kondendens var også fordampet inden jeg pakkede teltet sammen.
En anden fordel ved at holde inder teltet for dig kunne være at man kunne sætte yder teltet op hvis man blev overrasket af dårligt vejr - jeg tror godt man kan sætte det op et sted der er stenet og udjævnet - og så søge ly under det 🏕️🙂
Can I ask why you chose solid version?
Hi Gedas3 yes you can it’s because I want to be able to use the tent in winter conditions - I have for a long time been looking for a tent there are light and strong enough
So solid mesh somehow make inside tent warmer in cold days? Or it just because of wind? I just don't understand what difference make solid mesh versus regular transparent in real life conditions. @@hanskirk-hiking9697
In my experience a mesh inner retains some heat and can also protect agents dripping condensation, the solid inner just better.
In really cold and freezing temperatures it could be better to set the tent up without a inner tent because freezing condensation will stick to the fabric (inner) and create a snowfall when you are touching the inner.
I hope my answer helps you and be aware that it’s just my opinion. 🙂
I get it, best of luck to you from Lithuania, take care 👊@@hanskirk-hiking9697
Were you able to raise the pitch to create more air flow to reduce interior condensation. Wonder if the mesh body would be better even in colder climes.
Figures I post this just as you raise the fly. 😂
Hi Hoser yes you can raise the fly so air can flow under the fly… a mesh body will help with airflow, but in very windy conditions I guess the solid body is better ⛺️
Hi Hans. How have you managed to attach a clothes line inside the inner tent? Are there attach points with the Solid version? (i have the regular X-Mid, not the Solid)
Hi Eric yes there is attachments points - no problem 😉
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 Thank you! That's indeed a nice enhancement; I'd need to figure out how to make some on the regular version of the X-Mid.
Is it the mesh version you got! - hope it’s working out for you
What do you think about the solid versus the non-solid version? (1P)
Does the non-solid only fit warmer weather?
Hi Dor
The non-solid version is much lighter and more expensive.
I am sure you could make it work in colder climates but there will be a issue with condensation
I've found it pretty much impossible to stop the inner touching and sticking to the outer if there's condensation in my xmid 2 solid. It's very frustrating and I have had water run down the walls and pool in the corners due to it.
I never had any issues with my Drop Xmid1.
Hi Simpler - maybe you could read the comment below from Bertman4 - there are some hacks you could use - but you are right condensation is a real and serious problem.
Does the vestibule keep the gear dry?
Hi there, yes and they are large
What is your height and do you think 187 cm can live well in this tent? I was thinking of getting the 1P tent, do you think its better to get the 2P just to have some flexibility?
My height is 175 cm and I think the best option for you and your 187 cm will be the 2 person version.
Most of the time i am alone in my 2 person version, and I enjoy the space.
What care do you use? Thank you
Sorry I don’t understand, please try again 🙂
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 Im sorry, autocorrect. I was want ask about camera 🙂. Thank you! 🙏
I use Panasonic G 80/85 - you are welcome
Hi is this dyneema or woven?
It’s polyester woven fabric
Thank you😊
You are welcome
Hvordan klarer teltet kraftig vind i forhold til dit Copper Spur HV UL2?
Hej Jakob - det er faktisk grunden til at jeg anskaffede mig et X-Mid - vinden i bjergene er ikke lige sagen for et Copper Spur.
X-Mid’en klarede vinden fint og inder teltet dækkede også godt af for den kolde vind.
Men hvis det ikke blæser fortrækker jeg Copper Spur teltet - der er bare så meget plads inden i det 🏕️
Hvis man ser bort fra vind tror du så at Copper Spur havde klaret kondensationen bedre?
Hvilken vandrestave bruger du og hvilken højde?
Ja det tror jeg også fordi at inder teltet er bedre adskildt fra yder teltet, men Copper Spur er jo en del tungere.
Lige nu er jeg i Grib Skov og har Copper Spur teltet med - det klare det lige - men det ærger mig st jeg ikke havde taget X-Mid’en med - vindstød af stormstyrke ha ha 💨🌧️
Gossamer Gear 125 cm
@@hanskirk-hiking9697 OK. De 125 er det max højde?
Hello Hans Kirk, I love your content and I have a question. I'm between two tents. The Durston x-mid 2p or the two from Gossamer Gear, since you have tried both? Which one do you advise me from your experience. The third option would be for none hahaha. Thank you very much for your interesting content. Regards.