@tatiana4050 what is stupid because i've seen so many older people look down onto young people/not taking there problems sireus because they are young.
I said this on the Google doc, but if your job makes you responsible for a large amount of people and you have to make important decisions that impact thousands or even millions of people, there should be an upper age limit on your job. Politicians are the biggest example of this. The cognitive decline that comes with age is very real. If you’re just an office worker or whatever, I don’t think age limits are necessary. Although I would argue it’s cruel to make seniors work past a certain point and they should have more options available to them.
Totally agree with this. Although it's not the same - this year, one of the members (57yo) of my country's government guessed that a liter of milk cost 0.29 cents. It's crazy to imagine that someone that unaware of the current cost of living is able to make choices regarding our future and economy.
@@alex-eyedbut yeah, wealthy people quickly lose empathy & become out of touch. despite my mom being relatively poor growing up & things getting pretty bad after divorcing my dad, once she married my wealthy stepdad, she lost all empathy & became incredibly out of touch. my sister & i suffer with cptsd, mental illness, & physical disabilities that impact our ability to have stable income. she does not care about the context of our situation (she put us in these situations too & participated in our destruction as well). she chastised me for my weekly food budget & i asked her what hers was & she said she doesn't have one. she buys ridiculous organic gmo-free grass fed keto gluten free blah blah blah foods she doesn't need & TONS of vitamins (there is a kitchen cabinet dedicated to them as well as her essential oils) as well as she takes ivermectin... she orders these foods online in monthly orders as well as at the most expensive grocery stores in our area. anyways, i could vent forever about the hypocrisy but this behavior has also been studied. i'm in too much pain rn to nab up the details, but this just happens & it doesn't seem like anyone capable of becoming evil enough to become a billionaire/ millionaire/ extremely wealthy etc would be immune to this either.
To me what is more important than age alone is actual understanding of the laws you are making. Yes you SHOULD be on the same level as a doctor if you are making laws based on health. Also- doctors have to continuously educate themselves on new science and comply with that science or they loose their right to practice medicine. Why the fuck are politicians from the Regan era allowed to still be making laws like we havent disproved half the shit they used to justify their laws? Can you imagine letting a surgeon cutninto you that hasnt cracked open a medical book since 1989? Sounds fucking insane but thats the logic American government is allowed to exist under.
This is why had that thing about federal oversight committees and commissions that were made of people with the correct credentials to be able to advise policies.... Too bad the Supreme Court just got rid of that.
While I understand the argument, I don't think it's valid. Doctors may be highly qualified in their field, but that doesn't mean that a doctor who would be involved in important political decisions in this field would also act and make decisions in the interests of patients. Keyword Money. And even if doctors have to undergo further training, this does not necessarily mean that they will implement this in practice. You can see this especially in gynecology or in dealing with female patients in general.
@@glitzerplastikchichi true the approach isn't perfect - but it's better than nothing and could work well in junction with other bills- I also think constituents should be able to actions against a politician that doesn't represent them on local and state levels. Furthermore I think there should be some form of consequences for politicians who lie in their campaigns. If you don't meet a threshold of productivity towards promises made during campaigns you are punished - be that fined, or being barred from being able to run again. Measures need to be taken
Ageism is real, esp for working class seniors who still have to work to afford to live and struggle to find employment. That being said, no one over 65 has any business running for president IMHO. My lovely 73 year old mother agrees. Anyone actually that age should be aware of how quickly things can change for folks that age. Decline can be sudden and rapid. And the oldest generation shouldn't be the only ones society sees as acceptable for head office... There's already a bottom age limit, adding a top limit makes plenty of sense.
Makes sense. Very few people are walking around going “You know what we need from our leaders? Petty name calling and manufactured disruption.” You deserve better.
As someone who works in the finance sector it baffles me why people working with money earn so much more than people who take care of PEOPLE. It says a lot about our society and i completely agree on the whole video in general and specifically about making caring/teaching etc. jobs better/more attractive. I voted left in the last election because I believe in the power of community and I was very open about this with my family and friends as well 🦉
I think we need to talk more about age segregation too. And especially how children and elders are basically excluded from society by different social means and by infrastructure too. As a disabled person, we are also excluded in a way similar to how both elders and children are treated - we are both infantilized and deemed physically useless in a society that values work and profit above all else, including all living beings. Wouldn't it be so much better if we could find ways to connect over generations instead of alienating each other and fighting about who's world view is "right"? Maybe if we actually lived together and worked together, we wouldn't be so divided and pitted against each other. Maybe we would see and even live each other's struggles and joys. Just imagine if we could value other experiences and learn from each other across generations. This could never happen in a capitalist/classist/sexist/racist society (aka the world as we know it now) as it completely contradicts its building-blocks of segregation, hierarchy and oppression. Let's fucking do it already! ✊☮🏳🌈
It's such a huge safety issue! When I was younger I was walking kms to work everyday (public transportation sucks) and people not indicating got me nearly hit so many times as a pedestrian
I think the age issues in politics are a major side effect of the amount of wealth required to even have a chance to run for office. The stranglehold boomers have on wealth and power in this is a self reinforcing cycle of wealthy older folks creating policies that allow them to retain their wealth and a concerted effort to kee please their corporate donates who happen to be their peers who pay for their campaigns. Term limits might be a band aid to try and spur some change and encourage new people to run and be able to make lasting changes.
Where I live has a very high elderly population so I deal with a lot of old folks every day. A lot of people once they get to a certain point in life just aren’t fully functional. Helping elderly customers is the same as helping young children in many cases. The general effects of aging mixed with medical issues just isn’t a good mix when it comes to world leaders in my opinion.
There's this real issue to the fact that yeah, Bryonie's entire platform sounds FANTASTIC, and logically sound. It sounds like, OBVIOUS that these things should've happened yesterday. Yet...us who'd vote for it are likely, proportionally, not those who can afford to fund and have extra energy available to spend on the platform. Our needs aren't met politically because it WOULD have to be a cut to the very people who run politics, it would have to be purely humanitarian, and in the eyes of the "line goes up" philosophy, an absolutely terrible business decision. We really do need world leaders to either have a sudden disinterest in money and obsession with actual human wellbeing, or seize such a thing ourselves.
Ironically, by taxing the churches the government would need to spend more since they provide a fair amount of community support that the government themselves don't want to pay for or run. That being said churches themselves have a lot of recent closures anyway because they are expensive to maintain and the people using them and donating are down. Regardless of how stupid I think it is at face value (and even systematically) it can causes problems without additional addressing beyond taxing.
@@Spyderinagourd well that's the problem, there aren't any social safety nets. it's ironic because therapy out of pocket is easy $120 USD but going to church is free.
@michellesc0711 yes this is bc conservatives love to tear down social safety nets and makin people reliant on religion. May I ask what point you were tryin to make?
It gets tricky when we say we need age limits or cognitive tests because then we start getting into ableist territory. I think it would be better if we could do like Canada does and "recall" elected officials if they seem to be not able to do their job anymore, instead of having to wait until the next election. The way that the system is now is too difficult to get someone out of office once they are in.
Ooh that's interesting, now I want to look into how that recall system works - again it could accidently fall into ableist territory but I need to go on another rabbit hold run to find out 🐰
... But the point of a disabality is that you're literally not able to do certain things no? In my country there are very strict laws about epileptic people driving, I think it's either you must not have had an episode in x amount of years or you can't drive at all, not sure about that but a former friend of mine is an epileptic and I know they couldn't get a driver's license when they were at the age that everyone did theirs at. Idk, the safety and wellbeing of others is more important in my view than granting disabled or ill people jobs just so that we don't risk getting into ableist terriroty. I want neither a politician with dementia nor a paramedic who is so old that they're reaction time is slow and their vision has gotten significantly compromised.
@Shirumoon I know someone who's epileptic and cannot drive for that reason. But that's something pretty separate, clearly defined, whereas for what we're on about here, blanket statements, it's not. Unless all employees have constant testing (every few years) it would have a very hard time against discrimination and disability laws (which I'm glad are strong here in Aotearoa) . Again, like I said in the video, there has to be a way of doing this which isn't singling people out nor which cuts people off entirely from the ability to be involved- whether in a job or in community
Yet you need to be 35 + isn't that just as ablest to younger people if there's a lower age limit there should also be an upper limit too or no lower limit
Ugh, Japan's pension system is so bullshit. As a resident we legally have to pay into the pension system but for Japanese people it is optional. We are holding up the pension system right now. Im not even 30 yet but the pension system here is going to collapse before many of is could ever hope to retire. So years and years of mandatory retirement payment will be fucking gone and all for not
I think it's irresponsible to put age limits on most jobs if you don't have an actual system in place to support people who have aged out of working. Social security is not enough most times. If you're putting an age limit on your job, there better be a good reason
I worked at a preschool in a retirement home and it was great. The kids and the elderly really enjoyed the times they got to spend together. The kids brought new life and energy and joy to the space and they just loved getting to do crafts anf activities with the "grandma's and grandpa's"
That sounds like a quick way to make old people VERY sick. As long as they’re choosing it. That would hinder my quality of life so fast being around the overstimulating sounds of kids playing. The elderly are individuals and there is no one solutions.
@asmrtpop2676 the kids were sequestered off in their own room away from the living spaces and all intergenerational were opt in. That campus exists because the home wanted us there.
It's going to be the funniest thing when you're in your 60's and people are saying you're unfit and incompetent. You're basically saying 'when I get to be this age, I'll be unfit to do anything, so please treat me poorly". Welp, ok. Hope you get your wish.
@@HarpsiFizzThe retirement age (in the U.S.) is literally 65. No sane human being wants a surgeon, pilot, or construction worker. If you’re 65 and haven’t achieved your career goals by that point, then it’s your own fault for not making better decisions along the way.
Very mixed feelings on intergenerational nursing homes. Kids are little germ factories, especially for respiratory illnesses. Older adults can be very negatively impacted by respiratory illness, to the point of developing pneumonia and dying. I love the concept, but I have concerns regarding the ability to keep these programs safe for the elders involved.
I fully get that concern, these places are in a very experimental point, they're super EXPENSIVE and very well staff, including by people who are studying them. So risks of sickness are very low - I couldn't find anything on that risk being higher anywhere when looking into this, they are very stringent with rules, thankfully. I would hope that would continue if things went further, but with how people act with covid like it's "just a cold" I couldn't be sure that parents wouldn't just send their kids in anyway
@@BryonyClaireI highly doubt risks of sickness are low. For example, look at nosocomial infections. You’re extremely likely to be infected by the very people caring for you when you’re in the hospital. Those are the people that know the most and should be doing the most.
So at first, I was like "we should have age limits, older people can't work effectively" but this isn't true I have an anecdocte : so I'm a student in archaeology, and last year, I did some field work The site was in the middle of the woods and the research project was founded in part by a local museum And older members of this museum were archaeologists and decided to help us We are talking about people between the ages of 60 and 75, and this was one of the funniest and cool things I've ever experienced They teached us a lot of things, they told us about their experiences, i've upgraded my digging techniques which is really important in archaeology (i'm not joking) and they took the same amount of work as anybody in the site (the vast majority of people there were in their early twenties) This video really helped me shift my perspective
I did not expect the beginning of a video made by a woman in New Zealand to be basically all about American politics. It never ceases to amaze me how the whole world is so very invested in American politics. Don't forget to CHECK YOUR VOTING REGISTRATIONS MY FELLOW AMERICANS! Republicans and Christian nationalist groups purging people in all swing states 🦉
Hi! So I know a majority of my audience are in the USA, and sadly yes, politics that happen in the USA affect the rest of the world hugely, it's even impacted the way our politicians behave here, in Aotearoa, as the saying goes, "when America sneezes, the world catches a cold". The way I like to make my videos is to go from a "viral issue" and then link that into the broader topic that needs addressing, in this case the rampant ageism and ableism which I've seen floating around for months, without people addressing the real issues at hand :)
@@laurie_guilbeau i have this sneaking suspicion that some red states might actually go blue this year. That's probably me hoping against hope but I think more people are tired of Trump than the media is letting on
@AuntieMamies oh gosh, you don't need to apologize, ever since WW2 the USA has been trying to be a superpower and they achieved that, it's not your fault!
I do think that there should be term limits for elected office, not necessarily for your typical jobs. I would like to try to keep from conflating the two. I'm not for pushing the elderly out of the work force, but elected officials are another thing altogether. I would also like to have more safety nets, including for the elderly. I work with older women who have worked for 30+ years with the same company and say that they can't afford to retire. One lady actually worked up until the effects on her broken arm not only brought an abrupt end to her income, but earned her almost daily doctor's visits between her and her sick husband. There are people who want to retire here in the US but can't. The system has dupped them from being able to take care of themselves in their old age. Also, in a perfect world, when the elderly actually can retire, I hope that they will and start working in the community instead of working to make money. There is a volunteer program, in my old home town of all places, where Grandpa can sign up to mow the grass in the town park, and Grandma can plant flowers in the flower beds and even plant trees occasionally. They usually do a better job than paid staff, but it is an all volunteer program that gets them out of the house and still working for those who need it, makes a nice place for people to gather, and I have even talked to a few people when I used to goon walks in the park.
My first thought when I hear about combo daycare nursing home is that I would be really really worried about the fact that kids are always sick and old people are so vulnerable. Has this not been an issue in places this was implemented?
Young children are also vulnerable too, so it’d really probably just a circle of sick. I’m sure they’re strict about what level of sick gets to see the children. At daycares they will have you keep your child home if they have a fever, and other signs of illnesses. This is also probably why the cost of duo costs more too. They need to have teachers and staff to take care of those who can’t be with the groups. (I have a kid in daycare is my source btw lol. Some of the daycares can be lax on the sick rules, especially if it’s a lower income daycare, but ours is a bit more strict and they have a nurse there to help access the child and decide if the child is going home or not. My son got sent home because his breathing was “funny” while he was napping and his stomach was rock hard. Turned out he had a cold and just a lil constipated lol 😂)
From the readings I did, this hasn't been an issue at these places, but also bear in mind, these are all EXPENSIVE places, so they will have many safety nets in place to ensure this isn't a risk. There aren't many places like this around, it's still fairly experimental with high monitoring
🦉🦉🦉 Gilbert Strang (MIT) taught his last linear algebra class last spring at 88 years old, and got a standing ovation. People were sad to see him retire. I've seen many news features celebrating people who have gone back to school or are still working at a high level in their job, well into their 80s and 90s. Not to say ageism and ableism isn't a problem (it absolutely is), but, at least here in the US, people aren't calling for all old people to leave their jobs. So I truly think this age limit talk is mostly people tired of the country being soley run by elderly people with a thousand ties to various special interest groups and corporate donors. Usually the younger members in the US congress are grassroots funded (Bernie Sanders being an exception), so the "money in politics" thing also comes into play. Great video! I hope you rested after filming, your health is more important than these videos ❤
So I live in San Francisco, and a lot of the ideas brought up are in place. The busses are free for those under 18, over 65 (I think) and those who are disabled. You can also pretty much go anywhere through the bus system, assuming you know where to go. Even if you do have to pay, i think everytime you pay, you can go on every bus for 15 minutes. We have activities/events at different public libraries at least once a week or so. I worked at this one center that takes patients 55yrs+ and helps them book appointments, have drivers to take them to doctors appointments, drives them to the clinic where there's a large activity area so they can hang out together, etc. This is also funded by the governnent, since the patients usually have medical. So, it may take a lot of funding, but it is definitely possible.🦉🦉
🦉 Just had one of my people retire at the beginning of the year. It was really hard for her last 6-9 months. Her work had been noticeably slipping for awhile, and when I talked to her about something particularly egregious is when she told me about the retirement. She hadn't told the company owners yet though. Our system is so messed up here in the US that she was scared of telling them and getting pushed out early. And that's at a little family business, not some cold corporation. Of course as soon as she told us we started making accommodations and rearranging work to make sure her knowledge got passed on. But it breaks my heart that she was so scared to be open with us so we could help her with those accommodations.
No I think truly it's a case by case thing. Though I do think there needs to be more of a balance of ages when it comes to running a country. A lot of people are making laws that won't affect them or won't affect them for long. The people left will be the ones dealing or repairing the repercussions.
🦉 I'm really glad I participated in the survey because it kept my responses more in my mind while watching the video! I definitely enjoy the new perspectives presented to me, and I was shown where some of my biases lie when often I am ignorant of them. This encourages me to even further work towards anti-ageism and ableism in my personal life and keep talking to others about it! I didn't know about community housing before this and look forward to learning more! Really shows how building with people in mind rather than cars makes for a more accessible space for everyone!
I actually had a teacher who was I think 61, so under the retirement age in germany, when I was in 7th grade (now I'm 17), he was a very competent Maths and Physics teacher for the advanced courses for 12th and 13th grade but he was horrible as a mathteacher for 7th and 8th grade. He couldn't connect to our lack of knowlegd and left the classroom on more than one occasion more than half an hour before the period was over and didn't come back. He was only removed from his position as our teacher because parents started complaining and as far as I know he still teaches there ( btw I was an A student in Math before we had this teacher and after him I struggled with the basics he should have taught us to understand everything that would bulid up on that). Another teacher was also over 60 when he was my latin teacher in 6th ans 7th grade and he often confused as with other classes in other years he taught at the same time. With him for example asking us a question for 8th graders in our second ever latin lesson and getting angry when no one was able to answer it or giving us a vocabulary test for the year above us and not listening when we were telling him we didn't know a single word. So I think there are certain jobs especially if they heavily infulence other peoples lives like in medicine or education definetly need competence control and like in my first example the person simply might not be qualified for a certain aspect of their job anymore but can do others pretty well and positivly influence that.
It's interesting that they were still able to hold their positions, I don't know what country you're from, but here in Aotearoa, teachers get reviewed every few years to ensure they are teaching the right stuff, at the right level, basically that they're doing their job well, they get evaluated on all sorts of things, they lose their teaching license otherwise. From memory, it was like that in the UK too - but I left there so many years ago it may be different now
My son has a physics teacher who earned her degree at freaking Harvard. All of the kids (all in Honors and AP classes) in her class are frustrated and struggling. She’s just not a good teacher, in spite of being actually brilliant. She’s in her forties I think, so not an age issue at all. Some savants in their field just cannot relate to how hard topics can be to beginning students, even if they’re smart and studious. Sounds like your teachers just…can’t teach. 😒
@@BryonyClaire In Germany, teachers are usually civil servants. Once you have reached this status (Verbeamtung) as a teacher, it is almost impossible for you to lose your job. Of course there are good reasons that can lead to this, but they have to be more serious than what was described in the comment above.
@glitzerplastikchichi oof that's weird! Feels like such a huge lack of accountability there, especially when it comes to "teaching future leaders" as the saying goes
@livthedream5885 there's definitely a relatability issue which can happen from academia, being a teacher is about being able to simplify, relate and nurture, some people just aren't cut out for that kind of job and should stick to academia
"I think a lot of us struggle more than we'd like to admit." As an aging woman, I've reached a point where the world feels like everyone wants me to go full on Midsommar. It's not my values. It's not my behavior. It's a snap judgement that I can never shake, and it's more obvious than people realize.
I think we should have younger people in office, but definitely also poor people. But “the masters tools won’t fix the masters house or tear it down” -this is a paraphrase. I think it’s of Mya Angelou, but it might be Bell Hooks.
On some level, I think we’re forgetting the need to continue educating. Once we leave school a lot of us don’t have the time to grow anymore and definitely don’t have the time to do art. Also quitting education means that we’ve losing touch with the new information that comes out, I have a disability and I’m chronically ill so I feel like these testing are really just gonna be based in eugenics. If politicians had to keep being educated and really immersing themselves also I think wage limits should be a thing.
I'm not sure what's the right solution here. At one hand, many capable people are sharp and able after the age of 70/80, but then again I've seen so many old people mentally degrade or have crippling medical conditions that make them unable to work after age 60. Cognitive testing can also be very biased (In my opinion) and not a foolproof way to determine someone's mental ability. I would love to see more younger people in politics and put an age limit on important public service jobs, but it's very discriminatory. Also, young people aren't very much concerned about old people's issues and people over the age of 60 need political representation in parliament with members their age who are fighting for their rights and solving problems they face.
my 2 cents on politicians and age? Age isn't an issue for me, its the repeated terms in power that are the problem. Career politicians live and work in a bubble, wherever the head of state happens to be (Washington, Ottawa, Melbourne, etc). Consecutive terms should be outlawed. Be a politician for life, sure, but get out of the bubble of government and GET BACK TO THE PEOPLE YOU'RE REPRESENTING. Great video, great conversations 😅❤
I think that the main problem is that people are made to think that a job is the most important thing. There is so much more to life than that, that you can do at any age (When it comes to well paid positions obviously, the fact that people are literally starving when they are retired is a whole another issue) They should still be included in their fields if they like, but hogging a position till you die because you like feeling important while not interested in learning (which was the case with every old guy at any company I’ve ever worked at) is a joke. It seems like nobody cares about old people, so I understand why they seem so stubborn about everything but keeping people working forever is not the answer.
🦉 I currently work at a grocery store, as a Courtesy Clerk (Ambassador), I'd otherwise worked SPED since 2013, and it's ASTOUNDING how little recognition Western Society has given to accessibility. Even rudimentary accommodations like "Place your basket by the door" is a hassle for the able-bodied and entitled whom without recognizing that that accommodation is made for those who are NOT able-bodied whom are much more prevalent and possible to experience in our lifetimes than we've been led to believe and maintain.
I am in favor of some form of cognitive testing for older workers. I don't think that it would need to be a pass/fail system, but it's probably a good idea to keep track of where people are at. Not everyone has people in their life who will see signs of decline, or they have people who with actively deny it. I had to witness the very difficult decline of my grandpa (Alzheimer's with Parkinson's) while at the same time seeing the grieving process of my grandma. She was in denial and would be furious at anyone for pointing out that he was declining. She made a scene at a family party because my aunt said her kid couldn't get a ride with Grandma and Grandpa unless Grandma was driving. A week before he died he was living in a care home, but was able to come to a family dinner. He was in a wheelchair, not speaking much, taking asleep mid bite. I had just gotten two new bunnies, and while we thought we were sure about their sex, I wanted to get someone to check for sure. My Grandma, with full earnestness, said that my Grandpa could do it because he used to raise bunnies. All I could do was smile and say maybe he could because I didn't want to risk a scene by pointing out that he clearly couldn't. Thankfully, my grandpa had 9 kids who mostly remained close with the family. I honestly don't know many details because it wasn't my business, but I'm very certain that my dad or one of my uncles or aunts must have been involved in coaxing my grandma to get him to a doctor if not taking him themselves. But if it was just my grandma and grandpa? I doubt that he would've been in good hands. He wasn't working at the time, he had been retired for a while (I don't know how long, I was either too young to remember or not even born when he retired). I think he had a decent retirement package because he served in the military when he was younger, but I don't know the details. I know there's a level of embarrassment when you get older and start to decline, whether it's just from being older or if it's caused by Alzheimer's and Dementia. Unfortunately, your embarrassment is not as important as someone's life. My grandma's ire was not worth my cousin being in a car with someone on the brink of having his license taken away. For the record, I also think that there are jobs that will require physical health exams too. You don't want a surgeon with Parkinson's or any sort of tremor, for example. I also agree that we need to take care of our seniors, especially if we are going to normalize removing people from jobs at a certain point of decline. People deserve to be able to retire. I think there should be programs designed for seniors, but also there should be money for them! Way more than there is. My other grandpa retired, bought his neighbor's house and built his dream workshop next door so he could tinker with cars all day and that's exactly what he does. He buys nice guitars to play and goes on vacation. I assume he put a lot of money away, but I honestly think that there should be robust social systems in place so that people can retire luxuriously.
Oh god, I feel for everyone involved in your family situation. All I can say it that we have to remove the stigma of being disabled or chronically ill instead of avoiding certain testing just so people can feel good about themselves. I may have a harsh opinion on this one but I'm from Germany where we have a decent social safety net but at the same time our age pyramid is off in the sense that we have a huge amount of elderly people... and it shows. There are so many car crashes that happen because of older people, our bureaucratic system unable to operate because boomers refuse to learn and implement digitazation and often everyday abuse via angry elders on the streets. This created a lot of resentment towards older people which often ends in ageism but also it annoys me ininitely that old people don't take any accountability for themselves even though they have the means. So many are of poor mental health and they could have easily started therapy 5 or 10 years ago when it was more accessible than today. They could have worked part time (those that had ridiculously high paying jobs) so that they had the time to build a community and maybe make up with their family so they don't end up completely lonely and isolated once the physical impairment really hits and it gets harder to buid a social life from scratch. What I'm trying to say is that even offering social security, money and resources doesn't guarantee a good situation for the elderly and it does come down to a lack of personal responsibility. We cannot sugarcoat that.
I have cancer and every year I'm lucky to still be here and it's honestly exciting but my needs increase and I've had to be home more and more because of physical limitations, I've been forgotten by most of the people I knew and if it was easier to leave my home maybe I'd run into people and it could be like it was before, I liked thinking about the changes you talked about I hope I get to see a few of them happen :) 🦉🦉🦉🦉🦉
I'm so sorry that you're struggling with cancer, thats awful, I really hope treatment works for you. I hope that you're able to connect again more with your friends/family, they should be happy to make accommodations in order to keep the relationship going, imo it's not hard to wear a mask or do something lowkey outdoors so there's no risk of covid which would make you struggle more, there are options for sure
@@BryonyClaire Well mostly it's that I'm in a wheelchair now that I'm not strong enough to push and I keep getting invited to go places downtown I can't physically get to anymore but maybe if my city becomes more accessible and it becomes easier to find transportation it'll be like a lot of the scary stuff going on with me is just background noise in an otherwise fun life :) I can be pretty optimistic and I really liked your video and how fair you were here :D
@AttemptedClown ah ok I gotcha. The way places in general aren't accessible really sucks, I still think those loved ones could come to YOU though as a starter for 10. Hopefully they'll also be trying to make changes locally to make places more accessible too!
what counts as a position of responsibility? And how is that checked for? The issue is, people are in cognitive decline after their mid 30's. We don't test everybody in all roles, plus like i said in the video, long covid has caused cognitive issues for many people, so what are the solutions?
@@BryonyClaire I've worked under managers with cognitive issues and it's awful. The extra stress and work that could have been easily avoided. When you can damage other people with your brain fog, you need to step down or live with supervision and guard rails.
@@maetherabbit9999 I'm not sure that she was disagreeing, just presenting the questions you would have to ask for something like this. It's easy to just say "people who are cognitively impaired shouldn't be given jobs with a lot of responsibility," but what counts as too cognitively impaired? Every job has different levels of responsibility, so what should be the threshold for cognitive decline at each of these jobs? I think if you don't ask these questions and at least try to come up with answers, you run the risk of people using too vague a concept for their own nefarious purposes. Like for example, you know some men will try to argue that women are too "cognitively impaired" by their hormones or periods or whatever to be president, because they already do!
This has been a fascinating conversation. I agree with a lot of what you said especially about taxing the wealthy and taxing the churches, because I have been saying that for a long while.
I got to do a watercolours class with many older ladies, and it was SO GREAT! I was 18 at the time and we had great discussions over how grades don’t matter as much as mental health and being yourself.
we have free transportation for elders (+65 of age) but the problem is elders don't have enough money to go somewhere and do stuff because pensions are below minimum age. therefore they travel all day everyday, including rush hours. they put a pressure on people who have been working for +10 hours to give up on their seats because they are old. I believe this wouldn't be a problem where pensions are decent but I don't know.
Pensions being too low is such a huge issue for so many reasons. What country are you from? It'd be interesting to see how big of an issue of older people "clogging up" the public transport system is
@@BryonyClairetürkiye 💙 by the way, we sometimes have little chats on instagram, but unfortunately instagram was shut down for an unknown time. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
@ravenonthewindow first- I'm so envious of your public transportation system, that is so interconnected! I couldn't find anything about public transport being too full or issues with older people/retirees being on public transport all day which causes commuters issues but maybe there just haven't been articles written about it. They're probably lonely and looking for some connection, and if they're not getting enough money to socialize, I do get why people would turn to that activity, govts really do need to do better
@@BryonyClaire I couldn't find an article either, but I found this street interview from a year ago. auto-translation is a bit crappy but since you're interested in 😄, th-cam.com/video/BuLDaPTDdeY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Kgb0qcK2tbJqQ6Dw
Age limits are a result of capitalism mostly. We have few to no reliable, safe ways to take care of ourselves without work, but we are expected to give up jobs as we age. In a better society, we'd have competency limits, and comprehensive care of the people, like housing, food, medicine, and healthcare. I think I can say most of us would love to see people enjoy their hobbies into their sunset years, even when they may not have the ability to remember our faces.We just don't want Grandma in charge of a factory when she ALSO can't remember her workers' faces. (I'd argue leadership roles should be doubly as strict.)
Thank you for the time, research and empathy you put into this. It gave me a lot to consider. Also, despite all the seriousness, the ending in the beautiful red dress was fantastic. You look so lovely!
To me the answer is very obvious. The cut off age should be 80. For no other reason than this: It's arbitrary. We have an age of consent right? It has basis in science on brain development, but it is, definitionally, arbitrary. 80 seems like a fair cut off. Realistically you're only going to live a maximum of 20 more years. While some stay sharp past this point many don't. Yeah it's not exact but there is science in brain development to support it. I don't know if you could apply it across the board, but def for politicians. Along with the socialist policies mentioned in this video I think it's the most reasonable option with the least amount of discrimination. I would also like to add age discrimination should apply AT ALL AGES. I think it's a load of shit I can't have age protections until I'm 40 over here in the US. SO MANY young people get fired or passed for jobs because they "couldn't possibly possess the knowledge or be wise enough to do X because they are (under 40)". Good video.
My answer would have definitely been different if you split the public office into: presidents/prime minister, Vs civil servants and local council members. First might merit a age limit because they are supposed to represent as much of their country as possible. Second, because their age might effect how they serve the community in a positive and inclusive way, especially in disability related policy. 🦉
I like the idea of shifting the focus to making life better for everyone instead of just worrying about age limits. One thing I’ve been thinking about since the poll is, why not get rid of the 35 limit and make it 18 minimum to hold any elected office? Instead of putting more limits on older people why not remove barriers for younger ones? I doubt we’ll ever have an 18 year old president anyways, and one that’s 25-34 would be nice. 🦉
It would be cool! I'd be ok with 18 year old president as long as they proved themselves knowledgeable enough. According to Wikipedia "To be a senator, a person must be aged 30 or over. To be a Representative, a person must be aged 25 or older. This is specified in the U.S. Constitution. Most states in the U.S. also have age requirements for the offices of Governor, State Senator, and State Representative. Some states have a minimum age requirement to hold any elected office (usually 21 or 18)." Interesting!
@@onceuponamelody me too actually I’d vote for that even though I’m 35 if I really thought the platform was good and it would energize younger progressive voters.
We live in an ableist world and ageism just continues to thrive in it so really we can’t really “decide” when someone should step down bc of cognitive decline bc there is no real definitive way to test this. If our govt decided to make this we know who they would consider unfit for certian roles and we go back 100 years back smh
Love that you talk about local politics. I am in a city council and sometimes it’s frustrating that very few people understand how it works. And yes: we really need people who are interested in their community and have energy to fight for their projects. We support them almost everytime (if it’s a logical issue like more busses to their quarter or a bench to rest). But politicians are not almighty and all knowing. And a lot of local politicians are just normal people with a few themes they want to fight for.
Interesting, and I am here because you said that this one isn't performing as well. Your vids show up on my feed regularly and this one wasn't! Hmmmmmm
This is kind of a double edged sword because in Hungary they actually lowered the age limit for judges from 70 to 62 years. In order to get rid of judges who were not in favour of the new governmental party 😕
Oh wow I didn't know that - it's such a tricky thing to do. The system needs to be re-done imo, too much power is sitting with too few who make the rules they have to obey - aka no rules 🤦♀️
Positions of political power should be held by those who will more likely live with the FULL consequences of their policy as well as those who can actually fulfill their terms. If a politician could reasonably die before their term is up due to age alone, then they're a liability. Look at what happened to Ruth Bader Ginsbur. *_It's an actual problem._* Not all old people are senile. But it's still easy for them to be selfish af when they don't have to live with the issues they poorly managed or even created. Edit: And yes, they do also fall out of touch with younger people. Not just culturally though. They also are not capable of having kids anymore on average or anywhere near the age where they would buy their first home. They don't understand the struggles they have created for people just starting on when all their kids are adults living elsewhere and they're sitting on like 5 different properties across the country/globe. They should also retire because it's a health issues at the very least. Just I definitely think them having an "End of history mindset" is made worse by being at the end of their own life while everything "is still okay". And they're blocking those who want to make history.
I just turned 40 and I received an invisibility cloak for a**h0les! I actually love that and it feels very freeing and like the world has gotten a little safer. I would LOVE to see age group representation across most things, as well as ethical and cognitive training. I feel like the older generations see the younger ones as less moral or ethical (according to their standards) and that all power should have term limits. I like Bidens idea for 18 years, that seems like enough time to get things done with a clear end in sight which we should ALL have, since the human brain 🧠 is resistant to change, which gets worse as we get older.
Very glad this is a conversation being had. I’ve been very frustrated with current affairs politically and couldn’t figure out how to point it out or put it into words beyond saying how some disabilities or conditions do make it impossible to do a job correctly and are reasonably a reason for people to step down if their actions harm themselves or others. The key part I wasn’t putting into words was the retirement solutions (as I have not been able to talk with many elderly poor people and was nit getting the full picture), involvement in society, and how to balance allowing those who can and want to to work, but also relying on community involvement outside of work for everyone, especially the elderly who value their worth based on work, so they can still have community and we don’t just fire people entirely due to age, leaving them in poor conditions.
My great grandad was booted from NZ’s Labour party because parliament made a rule about forced retirement after 70. Obviously this didn’t last because Winston Peters is way older than that.
🦉🦉🦉 First time commenter... I just found you a few weeks ago and have been loving your videos. Your content is amazing and so full of new ideas that get me thinking. These 37 minutes flew by.. I love that you put out really long-form videos. Thank you for your hard work on these videos and thank you for sharing your long covid struggles. I have my own covid struggles and it has certainly made me way more aware of the ableist society we live in. Now off to go watch your video on ableism.
@@Rowan.Evander May I ask what condition he had that would require hospice for 5 years? Where I’m from, most people would be in a long term care facility if their condition is expected to last for a while
@@Rowan.Evanderin my country people only get put into hospice care if they are going to die soon, for example when you are at the end of a terminal illness
Personally, I see the prejudice that old people face purely as ableism. Once you hit a certain age, it is assumed that you are disabled (or that you will become disabled soon) and therefore you are subject to the same treatment disabled people have always dealt with. Your worth as an employee and person in society is "gone."
🦉🦉🦉 aging is such an emotionally charged topic I had to watch this in 2 parts. I love your insights and thoughts about how to make it better, but it's so overwhelming. Thank you for the work you put into all of your videos
🦉I also think that voting should be mandatory and on a holiday for all. We need proper representation, and when I worked doing political surveys, really almost everyone who likes and agrees to political polls are 55 + and white, so don't trust polls because a large majority of the people who actually represent our country don't take polls! So we must change this.
If we let people retire with dignity and had a robust social security system with universal healthcare, they wouldn’t feel pressured to work so long if they didn’t want to.
Regarding your question on how to keep people involved without them needing to work, in France all the major universities offer a program called Université du Temps Libre (University of Free Time), it's a branch of the universities where people (usually retired people but they allow everybody to join) can take classes without having to enroll. They still can get a degree if they like or just attend classes/conferences specially created for the program. There are conferences on nearly everything (local and international history, art/art history, sports, theology, music, philosophy, psychology, human sciences, astrophysics, language classes...) and they are relatively cheap, the fee to register for a conference is 17€ if you want to be in only one but 12€/conference if you take the entire module. My partner used to work there and a lot of people came!
There is a lower age limit for presidency, so there is precedent to have an upper age limit. However other jobs should not have age limits. High stakes jobs (pilots, doctors, emergency workers, etc) should have checks to ensure that all workers remain capable of safely continuing their work. Same requiring people to retake their drivers tests. Make the tests cheap/free/easy to access, but make them much more regular. I think this would make all drivers safer 😅. As for old politicians… ugh it’s such a tough problem. I want to reduce the elderly monopoly on politics without banning them. All age groups should ideally have representation. It would even be interesting (though possibly a terrible idea to implement) to have children representatives (who are consulted occasionally, not work a job hahaha). I think that would be interesting.
25:17 Great point! It feels like losing your purpose for some, and is often due to internalized ableism, a wish for community, and to feel valued as a person. Everyone deserves that, and they should have more options than work.
I am originally from Romania and there every employed person has medical testing (paid by employer) every single year, and the tests depend on the type of job you do. So if there is anything wrong you can do something about it (eg you’re found with high blood pressure, you’re recommended to go to hospital for further tests and so on). The tests are not too deep but it’s enough to give you an idea if someone (no matter the age) is fit for a job, with or without treatment. Though in some instances employers should also make accommodations IF the quality of work, as well as other team members, would not be significantly impacted. And strictly about the age limits, I do believe that some jobs would need this but also the retirement age for the people who work those jobs should be reduced accordingly. EG if you work in a mine for over 30 years you should get to retire latest at 55 yo with full pension benefits.
🦉thank you for All your hard work! As much as think I'm aware, I really need to be checking myself with ageism and ableism.. Discard Capitalism embrace Socialisim.
I don't think having an age limit on politician jobs is a bad idea, not even necessarily because of cognitive decline, but because people who know they only have ~10 or fewer years to live will probably make more decisions that will be harmful to younger generations than those who know that they'll also have to deal with the repercussions for decades to come
My opinion on the matter is, let those 65+ have consulting jobs at the most, like we can benefit from their wisdom, but for the love humanity, let younger people make decisions that we'll have to live with. Most of those who dont wanna retire are just too prideful and power-hungry to let others in. Also, as is just keeps young people stagnant in their own careers. We should also lower age requirements for office positions, age does not equal wisdom.
Considering 65 is typically the age you are retired or should be fully gearing up to retire...I feel like that makes you one of the most removed from the majority of society's issues. You're definitely not going to sympathize as much with the working class at that age because you feel like you already figured it all out. But a 65 year old's experience from their 20's and 30's is NOT the same as modern day people's 20's and 30's. Times change. The 65 year old likely just doesn't want the boat rocked so they can be comfortable when they finally do quit.
I knew a brilliant surgeon who had to retire early (in his 60ies) because of a rapidly progressing form of dementia. Met him about a year later by chance (while working in an institution), and he was only a shell of a person. On the other hand I know an ophthalmologist who is working well in his seventies and doing a brilliant job. Strict age limits just don't reflect the reality of ageing.
That must have been heart breaking to see them like that 😥 the effects of aging, cognitive function etc all vary from person to person, whilst it may be "easy" to try and put blanket rules in place, it's ultimately not a good thing imo
We need 4 things for president, government, cops, & judges. 1)Age restrictions or at least quarter annual cognitive & physical health checkups. 2)Term restrictions. No life-long careers. 3)Low wage salary. Wealth brings out the evil in everyone & makes them less empathetic. 4)Screening for drugs, alcohol, gambling, anger management, sexism, racism, homophobia, & other issues.
🦉 this video just comfirmed my recent realisation, that I should focus on making my future-gramdma-self's life easier (mobility training, diet, savings, etc)
I would very happily live in Bryony-land🦉I wish more people thought this way. Fantastic research and presentation as always. I get into discussions about Universal Health Care with many Americans and their biggest fear is their taxes going up (well if you took a part of the “defense” budget that wouldn’t be a problem.) But the main fear is that others would get more use out of it than they would. And as someone left disabled and in daily chronic pain at the age of 28, I’m just left speechless. So, they’d be upset at having better health? Over the years the mindset of the USA has slowly gone from thinking of community, helping each other, to a disdain of people who are homeless, chronically ill, etc. Capitalism has done such a number on many of them through fear. I’m not speaking about all of them of course. But a very large group are more concerned about their gun rights than healthcare, affordable housing, equal pay, maternity leave. I don’t have kids but I’m very happy parents can split or choose which one can stay at home with pay for an entire year. I am happy to pay taxes for school, so teachers are paid well (very well here) and don’t have to buy their own supply. The Republican Party seems to have gone off the bend or as George W. Bush called them, “The have and the have mores” and the racist propaganda about people seeking Asylum (many due to the USA’s involvement in their home country) that’s not covered on the news because it’s changed into more political entertainment. Ok, enough of that I could go on forever. Btw, I’m 53 and a huge Buffy fan and so many women would benefit from watching that show. It covers so many things we all face in life and it’s written so smartly, it’s, funny, thrilling, and great action scenes and also handles the hardest things we have to face. It’s actually one of the most realistic down to earth shows, but packaged in a very fun exciting way.
I understand that I might be oversimplifying this topic, but I believe that if someone is not capable of performing a job, they shouldn't be hired or elected for that position. While ageism and ableism are real issues, they should not deter us from considering cognitive or age limits for certain high-impact jobs. I don’t have a medical degree, so I don’t perform surgery. It's as simple as that. (Of course, I’m not addressing all the social issues, pension schemes, and various aspects of the discourse you've discussed in the video. My comment represents an idealized perspective that might make more sense in a "fixed" and possibly utopian society.)
No, I would hate to be in such a state where I have to be cared for by another for the same reason that I’d hate to lose my vision. It’s not about prejudice, or shame, it’s about loss. You do what you have to do to move on and find new joys in life, but it’s still a loss.
Mandatory retirement ages for things like air traffic controllers (and even the corresponding ‘we want younger starters, because this job works best with experienced people doing it reliably for 25 years and NOT having constant turnover and training) is something that sounds like an excellent idea. The trick is retirement protection going hand in hand. Any job where safety/lives are a factor SHOULD by default have an age limit not because of presumed incapacity but because it’s a fair, predictable and safe way to prevent *incapacity* being discovered in the worst possible way. Individual rights in these scenarios should come second to the rights of the whole to be safe.
Thank you for encouraging us to check this out! It's a lot more than the age limit title, and I'm really glad that I watched it. I'm v. much of 2 minds about age limits in politics. It's gross that political roles are *so* consolidated among a rich, old, white group of people in the US (and in other countries, too), but hard and fast age limits chafe at my sense of fairness. And at the internalized cry of *FREEDOM!!1!* that I have - despite not having a lot of patriotism, I do have this odd strain of love for the US constitution that pops up here and there. But I think that the screwiness of the current homogeneity of our politicians is about more than age, and needs to be fixed at a deeper level. Fixing the age piece by putting in age limits would lop off one pseudopod of this poisonous amoeba, but it'd leave the core intact.
Before finishing the video, my general ideals around the issue with American Political positions specifically are Term Limits on all positions, cognitive and physical testing to qualify for even running, and a mandatory retirement age for the rare case that someone reaches that point.
Just giving my thoughts ahead of time, I really think term limits are the key not age limits. I do think there's a problem when the system sort of creates this skew of significantly over-representing one age group not because of ability exactly but more because your values and motives have likely cemented themselves after a certain point and they are informed by the time they were formed. We need more viewpoints and experience to be involved.
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Thanks again for participating in the survey! You led me down so many rabbit holes my internet search history is even more questionable 😅
Omg omg omg I'm a data scientist and surveys get me so excited! Nearly 500 is a pretty good sample size!
It’s not especially ageist to have an upper age limit on the US presidency, since it has a lower limit of 35. Other jobs, not so much.
The president works a lot of hours, and it's lot of stress and responsibility.
What about SCOTUS?
Well the thing is US law defines ageism as discrimination against people ABOVE certain age.
Discrimination against people below certain age is legal
@tatiana4050 what is stupid because i've seen so many older people look down onto young people/not taking there problems sireus because they are young.
@@keirapendragon5486 perhaps. They already don’t have a code of ethics, it’s just “assumed” they can do nothing unconstitutional
I said this on the Google doc, but if your job makes you responsible for a large amount of people and you have to make important decisions that impact thousands or even millions of people, there should be an upper age limit on your job. Politicians are the biggest example of this. The cognitive decline that comes with age is very real.
If you’re just an office worker or whatever, I don’t think age limits are necessary. Although I would argue it’s cruel to make seniors work past a certain point and they should have more options available to them.
Totally agree with this. Although it's not the same - this year, one of the members (57yo) of my country's government guessed that a liter of milk cost 0.29 cents. It's crazy to imagine that someone that unaware of the current cost of living is able to make choices regarding our future and economy.
@@alex-eyedthat sounds like a wildly ridiculous guess, but for context, what's the range of the costs of a litre of milk?
@@alex-eyedbut yeah, wealthy people quickly lose empathy & become out of touch. despite my mom being relatively poor growing up & things getting pretty bad after divorcing my dad, once she married my wealthy stepdad, she lost all empathy & became incredibly out of touch.
my sister & i suffer with cptsd, mental illness, & physical disabilities that impact our ability to have stable income. she does not care about the context of our situation (she put us in these situations too & participated in our destruction as well).
she chastised me for my weekly food budget & i asked her what hers was & she said she doesn't have one. she buys ridiculous organic gmo-free grass fed keto gluten free blah blah blah foods she doesn't need & TONS of vitamins (there is a kitchen cabinet dedicated to them as well as her essential oils) as well as she takes ivermectin... she orders these foods online in monthly orders as well as at the most expensive grocery stores in our area.
anyways, i could vent forever about the hypocrisy but this behavior has also been studied. i'm in too much pain rn to nab up the details, but this just happens & it doesn't seem like anyone capable of becoming evil enough to become a billionaire/ millionaire/ extremely wealthy etc would be immune to this either.
@@MossTunic depending on the brand and store it's around 1€ up to 1.5€
agree!!
To me what is more important than age alone is actual understanding of the laws you are making. Yes you SHOULD be on the same level as a doctor if you are making laws based on health.
Also- doctors have to continuously educate themselves on new science and comply with that science or they loose their right to practice medicine. Why the fuck are politicians from the Regan era allowed to still be making laws like we havent disproved half the shit they used to justify their laws?
Can you imagine letting a surgeon cutninto you that hasnt cracked open a medical book since 1989? Sounds fucking insane but thats the logic American government is allowed to exist under.
This is why had that thing about federal oversight committees and commissions that were made of people with the correct credentials to be able to advise policies.... Too bad the Supreme Court just got rid of that.
While I understand the argument, I don't think it's valid. Doctors may be highly qualified in their field, but that doesn't mean that a doctor who would be involved in important political decisions in this field would also act and make decisions in the interests of patients. Keyword Money.
And even if doctors have to undergo further training, this does not necessarily mean that they will implement this in practice. You can see this especially in gynecology or in dealing with female patients in general.
@@glitzerplastikchichi true the approach isn't perfect - but it's better than nothing and could work well in junction with other bills- I also think constituents should be able to actions against a politician that doesn't represent them on local and state levels. Furthermore I think there should be some form of consequences for politicians who lie in their campaigns. If you don't meet a threshold of productivity towards promises made during campaigns you are punished - be that fined, or being barred from being able to run again.
Measures need to be taken
RIP Chevron defference 🪦😭
Ageism is real, esp for working class seniors who still have to work to afford to live and struggle to find employment.
That being said, no one over 65 has any business running for president IMHO.
My lovely 73 year old mother agrees.
Anyone actually that age should be aware of how quickly things can change for folks that age. Decline can be sudden and rapid.
And the oldest generation shouldn't be the only ones society sees as acceptable for head office... There's already a bottom age limit, adding a top limit makes plenty of sense.
Yeah. I think a lot of it is people trying to be inclusive but in a way where it actively pushes people to do things that harm themselves and others.
I'm 55 and agree!
Love that you mentioned that forgetfulness can be a symptom of Long Covid, a major issue of our time! 😷
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Yup. My memory and overall brain fog post getting Covid got worse.
@@ErutaniaRose It is downplayed so much for the sake of fitting in. Drives me up the wall!
Current American politics is also weird to us Americans.
A literal nightmare😩.
Makes sense. Very few people are walking around going “You know what we need from our leaders? Petty name calling and manufactured disruption.” You deserve better.
As someone who works in the finance sector it baffles me why people working with money earn so much more than people who take care of PEOPLE. It says a lot about our society and i completely agree on the whole video in general and specifically about making caring/teaching etc. jobs better/more attractive. I voted left in the last election because I believe in the power of community and I was very open about this with my family and friends as well 🦉
I think we need to talk more about age segregation too. And especially how children and elders are basically excluded from society by different social means and by infrastructure too. As a disabled person, we are also excluded in a way similar to how both elders and children are treated - we are both infantilized and deemed physically useless in a society that values work and profit above all else, including all living beings.
Wouldn't it be so much better if we could find ways to connect over generations instead of alienating each other and fighting about who's world view is "right"? Maybe if we actually lived together and worked together, we wouldn't be so divided and pitted against each other. Maybe we would see and even live each other's struggles and joys. Just imagine if we could value other experiences and learn from each other across generations.
This could never happen in a capitalist/classist/sexist/racist society (aka the world as we know it now) as it completely contradicts its building-blocks of segregation, hierarchy and oppression. Let's fucking do it already! ✊☮🏳🌈
Omg~, people not using their indicators while they drive makes me INSANE
It's like basic common decency !!
It's one of my biggest pet peeves too! Like, it's basic manners, people!
It's such a huge safety issue! When I was younger I was walking kms to work everyday (public transportation sucks) and people not indicating got me nearly hit so many times as a pedestrian
I wish we could just VOTE THEM OUT instead of age limits🦉
YUP! The system is screwed
Old people need to be banned from politics
I think the age issues in politics are a major side effect of the amount of wealth required to even have a chance to run for office. The stranglehold boomers have on wealth and power in this is a self reinforcing cycle of wealthy older folks creating policies that allow them to retain their wealth and a concerted effort to kee please their corporate donates who happen to be their peers who pay for their campaigns. Term limits might be a band aid to try and spur some change and encourage new people to run and be able to make lasting changes.
Where I live has a very high elderly population so I deal with a lot of old folks every day. A lot of people once they get to a certain point in life just aren’t fully functional. Helping elderly customers is the same as helping young children in many cases. The general effects of aging mixed with medical issues just isn’t a good mix when it comes to world leaders in my opinion.
Heck yes to taxing the churches and the rich! I'd vote for this.
There's this real issue to the fact that yeah, Bryonie's entire platform sounds FANTASTIC, and logically sound. It sounds like, OBVIOUS that these things should've happened yesterday. Yet...us who'd vote for it are likely, proportionally, not those who can afford to fund and have extra energy available to spend on the platform.
Our needs aren't met politically because it WOULD have to be a cut to the very people who run politics, it would have to be purely humanitarian, and in the eyes of the "line goes up" philosophy, an absolutely terrible business decision.
We really do need world leaders to either have a sudden disinterest in money and obsession with actual human wellbeing, or seize such a thing ourselves.
Ironically, by taxing the churches the government would need to spend more since they provide a fair amount of community support that the government themselves don't want to pay for or run. That being said churches themselves have a lot of recent closures anyway because they are expensive to maintain and the people using them and donating are down. Regardless of how stupid I think it is at face value (and even systematically) it can causes problems without additional addressing beyond taxing.
@wombat4583 you know we can both tax the church and build social safety nets
@@Spyderinagourd well that's the problem, there aren't any social safety nets. it's ironic because therapy out of pocket is easy $120 USD but going to church is free.
@michellesc0711 yes this is bc conservatives love to tear down social safety nets and makin people reliant on religion. May I ask what point you were tryin to make?
It gets tricky when we say we need age limits or cognitive tests because then we start getting into ableist territory. I think it would be better if we could do like Canada does and "recall" elected officials if they seem to be not able to do their job anymore, instead of having to wait until the next election. The way that the system is now is too difficult to get someone out of office once they are in.
Ooh that's interesting, now I want to look into how that recall system works - again it could accidently fall into ableist territory but I need to go on another rabbit hold run to find out 🐰
... But the point of a disabality is that you're literally not able to do certain things no? In my country there are very strict laws about epileptic people driving, I think it's either you must not have had an episode in x amount of years or you can't drive at all, not sure about that but a former friend of mine is an epileptic and I know they couldn't get a driver's license when they were at the age that everyone did theirs at.
Idk, the safety and wellbeing of others is more important in my view than granting disabled or ill people jobs just so that we don't risk getting into ableist terriroty. I want neither a politician with dementia nor a paramedic who is so old that they're reaction time is slow and their vision has gotten significantly compromised.
@Shirumoon I know someone who's epileptic and cannot drive for that reason. But that's something pretty separate, clearly defined, whereas for what we're on about here, blanket statements, it's not. Unless all employees have constant testing (every few years) it would have a very hard time against discrimination and disability laws (which I'm glad are strong here in Aotearoa) . Again, like I said in the video, there has to be a way of doing this which isn't singling people out nor which cuts people off entirely from the ability to be involved- whether in a job or in community
There are only a few states here that allow their elected officials to be recalled, let alone at the federal level.
Yet you need to be 35 + isn't that just as ablest to younger people if there's a lower age limit there should also be an upper limit too or no lower limit
Ugh, Japan's pension system is so bullshit. As a resident we legally have to pay into the pension system but for Japanese people it is optional. We are holding up the pension system right now. Im not even 30 yet but the pension system here is going to collapse before many of is could ever hope to retire. So years and years of mandatory retirement payment will be fucking gone and all for not
I think it's irresponsible to put age limits on most jobs if you don't have an actual system in place to support people who have aged out of working. Social security is not enough most times.
If you're putting an age limit on your job, there better be a good reason
Social security is no longer going to exist anyway for millenials and younger.
I worked at a preschool in a retirement home and it was great. The kids and the elderly really enjoyed the times they got to spend together. The kids brought new life and energy and joy to the space and they just loved getting to do crafts anf activities with the "grandma's and grandpa's"
That sounds like a quick way to make old people VERY sick. As long as they’re choosing it. That would hinder my quality of life so fast being around the overstimulating sounds of kids playing. The elderly are individuals and there is no one solutions.
@asmrtpop2676 the kids were sequestered off in their own room away from the living spaces and all intergenerational were opt in. That campus exists because the home wanted us there.
🦉Very mature, compassionate, and insightful video! Everyone in my generation just assumes we will have to work until we are past geriatric age. 😢
Air Traffic controllers are forced to retire at 56. Why is it different for politicians?
It's going to be the funniest thing when you're in your 60's and people are saying you're unfit and incompetent. You're basically saying 'when I get to be this age, I'll be unfit to do anything, so please treat me poorly". Welp, ok. Hope you get your wish.
@@HarpsiFizzThe retirement age (in the U.S.) is literally 65. No sane human being wants a surgeon, pilot, or construction worker.
If you’re 65 and haven’t achieved your career goals by that point, then it’s your own fault for not making better decisions along the way.
Very mixed feelings on intergenerational nursing homes. Kids are little germ factories, especially for respiratory illnesses. Older adults can be very negatively impacted by respiratory illness, to the point of developing pneumonia and dying. I love the concept, but I have concerns regarding the ability to keep these programs safe for the elders involved.
I fully get that concern, these places are in a very experimental point, they're super EXPENSIVE and very well staff, including by people who are studying them. So risks of sickness are very low - I couldn't find anything on that risk being higher anywhere when looking into this, they are very stringent with rules, thankfully. I would hope that would continue if things went further, but with how people act with covid like it's "just a cold" I couldn't be sure that parents wouldn't just send their kids in anyway
@@BryonyClaireI highly doubt risks of sickness are low. For example, look at nosocomial infections. You’re extremely likely to be infected by the very people caring for you when you’re in the hospital. Those are the people that know the most and should be doing the most.
So glad you brought up ageism, ableism and long covid. I love love love your TH-cam 🫶
So at first, I was like "we should have age limits, older people can't work effectively" but this isn't true
I have an anecdocte : so I'm a student in archaeology, and last year, I did some field work
The site was in the middle of the woods and the research project was founded in part by a local museum
And older members of this museum were archaeologists and decided to help us
We are talking about people between the ages of 60 and 75, and this was one of the funniest and cool things I've ever experienced
They teached us a lot of things, they told us about their experiences, i've upgraded my digging techniques which is really important in archaeology (i'm not joking) and they took the same amount of work as anybody in the site (the vast majority of people there were in their early twenties)
This video really helped me shift my perspective
I did not expect the beginning of a video made by a woman in New Zealand to be basically all about American politics. It never ceases to amaze me how the whole world is so very invested in American politics. Don't forget to CHECK YOUR VOTING REGISTRATIONS MY FELLOW AMERICANS! Republicans and Christian nationalist groups purging people in all swing states 🦉
I checked my voter registration status the other day; it's active. I'm in a red state and registered no party
Hi! So I know a majority of my audience are in the USA, and sadly yes, politics that happen in the USA affect the rest of the world hugely, it's even impacted the way our politicians behave here, in Aotearoa, as the saying goes, "when America sneezes, the world catches a cold". The way I like to make my videos is to go from a "viral issue" and then link that into the broader topic that needs addressing, in this case the rampant ageism and ableism which I've seen floating around for months, without people addressing the real issues at hand :)
@@BryonyClaire i am sorry about how much we affect the world because we have a lot of people here that don't really get that. We're trying though.
@@laurie_guilbeau i have this sneaking suspicion that some red states might actually go blue this year. That's probably me hoping against hope but I think more people are tired of Trump than the media is letting on
@AuntieMamies oh gosh, you don't need to apologize, ever since WW2 the USA has been trying to be a superpower and they achieved that, it's not your fault!
I do think that there should be term limits for elected office, not necessarily for your typical jobs. I would like to try to keep from conflating the two. I'm not for pushing the elderly out of the work force, but elected officials are another thing altogether. I would also like to have more safety nets, including for the elderly. I work with older women who have worked for 30+ years with the same company and say that they can't afford to retire. One lady actually worked up until the effects on her broken arm not only brought an abrupt end to her income, but earned her almost daily doctor's visits between her and her sick husband. There are people who want to retire here in the US but can't. The system has dupped them from being able to take care of themselves in their old age.
Also, in a perfect world, when the elderly actually can retire, I hope that they will and start working in the community instead of working to make money. There is a volunteer program, in my old home town of all places, where Grandpa can sign up to mow the grass in the town park, and Grandma can plant flowers in the flower beds and even plant trees occasionally. They usually do a better job than paid staff, but it is an all volunteer program that gets them out of the house and still working for those who need it, makes a nice place for people to gather, and I have even talked to a few people when I used to goon walks in the park.
My first thought when I hear about combo daycare nursing home is that I would be really really worried about the fact that kids are always sick and old people are so vulnerable. Has this not been an issue in places this was implemented?
Young children are also vulnerable too, so it’d really probably just a circle of sick. I’m sure they’re strict about what level of sick gets to see the children. At daycares they will have you keep your child home if they have a fever, and other signs of illnesses. This is also probably why the cost of duo costs more too. They need to have teachers and staff to take care of those who can’t be with the groups.
(I have a kid in daycare is my source btw lol. Some of the daycares can be lax on the sick rules, especially if it’s a lower income daycare, but ours is a bit more strict and they have a nurse there to help access the child and decide if the child is going home or not. My son got sent home because his breathing was “funny” while he was napping and his stomach was rock hard. Turned out he had a cold and just a lil constipated lol 😂)
From the readings I did, this hasn't been an issue at these places, but also bear in mind, these are all EXPENSIVE places, so they will have many safety nets in place to ensure this isn't a risk. There aren't many places like this around, it's still fairly experimental with high monitoring
🦉🦉🦉 Gilbert Strang (MIT) taught his last linear algebra class last spring at 88 years old, and got a standing ovation. People were sad to see him retire. I've seen many news features celebrating people who have gone back to school or are still working at a high level in their job, well into their 80s and 90s.
Not to say ageism and ableism isn't a problem (it absolutely is), but, at least here in the US, people aren't calling for all old people to leave their jobs. So I truly think this age limit talk is mostly people tired of the country being soley run by elderly people with a thousand ties to various special interest groups and corporate donors. Usually the younger members in the US congress are grassroots funded (Bernie Sanders being an exception), so the "money in politics" thing also comes into play.
Great video! I hope you rested after filming, your health is more important than these videos ❤
So I live in San Francisco, and a lot of the ideas brought up are in place. The busses are free for those under 18, over 65 (I think) and those who are disabled. You can also pretty much go anywhere through the bus system, assuming you know where to go. Even if you do have to pay, i think everytime you pay, you can go on every bus for 15 minutes. We have activities/events at different public libraries at least once a week or so. I worked at this one center that takes patients 55yrs+ and helps them book appointments, have drivers to take them to doctors appointments, drives them to the clinic where there's a large activity area so they can hang out together, etc. This is also funded by the governnent, since the patients usually have medical. So, it may take a lot of funding, but it is definitely possible.🦉🦉
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Just had one of my people retire at the beginning of the year. It was really hard for her last 6-9 months. Her work had been noticeably slipping for awhile, and when I talked to her about something particularly egregious is when she told me about the retirement. She hadn't told the company owners yet though. Our system is so messed up here in the US that she was scared of telling them and getting pushed out early. And that's at a little family business, not some cold corporation. Of course as soon as she told us we started making accommodations and rearranging work to make sure her knowledge got passed on. But it breaks my heart that she was so scared to be open with us so we could help her with those accommodations.
ever since filling that google doc, i’ve deadass been refreshing your channel everyday to see this video!! so interested to hear your thoughts
No I think truly it's a case by case thing. Though I do think there needs to be more of a balance of ages when it comes to running a country. A lot of people are making laws that won't affect them or won't affect them for long. The people left will be the ones dealing or repairing the repercussions.
🦉 I'm really glad I participated in the survey because it kept my responses more in my mind while watching the video! I definitely enjoy the new perspectives presented to me, and I was shown where some of my biases lie when often I am ignorant of them. This encourages me to even further work towards anti-ageism and ableism in my personal life and keep talking to others about it! I didn't know about community housing before this and look forward to learning more! Really shows how building with people in mind rather than cars makes for a more accessible space for everyone!
I actually had a teacher who was I think 61, so under the retirement age in germany, when I was in 7th grade (now I'm 17), he was a very competent Maths and Physics teacher for the advanced courses for 12th and 13th grade but he was horrible as a mathteacher for 7th and 8th grade. He couldn't connect to our lack of knowlegd and left the classroom on more than one occasion more than half an hour before the period was over and didn't come back. He was only removed from his position as our teacher because parents started complaining and as far as I know he still teaches there ( btw I was an A student in Math before we had this teacher and after him I struggled with the basics he should have taught us to understand everything that would bulid up on that). Another teacher was also over 60 when he was my latin teacher in 6th ans 7th grade and he often confused as with other classes in other years he taught at the same time. With him for example asking us a question for 8th graders in our second ever latin lesson and getting angry when no one was able to answer it or giving us a vocabulary test for the year above us and not listening when we were telling him we didn't know a single word. So I think there are certain jobs especially if they heavily infulence other peoples lives like in medicine or education definetly need competence control and like in my first example the person simply might not be qualified for a certain aspect of their job anymore but can do others pretty well and positivly influence that.
It's interesting that they were still able to hold their positions, I don't know what country you're from, but here in Aotearoa, teachers get reviewed every few years to ensure they are teaching the right stuff, at the right level, basically that they're doing their job well, they get evaluated on all sorts of things, they lose their teaching license otherwise. From memory, it was like that in the UK too - but I left there so many years ago it may be different now
My son has a physics teacher who earned her degree at freaking Harvard. All of the kids (all in Honors and AP classes) in her class are frustrated and struggling. She’s just not a good teacher, in spite of being actually brilliant. She’s in her forties I think, so not an age issue at all. Some savants in their field just cannot relate to how hard topics can be to beginning students, even if they’re smart and studious. Sounds like your teachers just…can’t teach. 😒
@@BryonyClaire In Germany, teachers are usually civil servants. Once you have reached this status (Verbeamtung) as a teacher, it is almost impossible for you to lose your job. Of course there are good reasons that can lead to this, but they have to be more serious than what was described in the comment above.
@glitzerplastikchichi oof that's weird! Feels like such a huge lack of accountability there, especially when it comes to "teaching future leaders" as the saying goes
@livthedream5885 there's definitely a relatability issue which can happen from academia, being a teacher is about being able to simplify, relate and nurture, some people just aren't cut out for that kind of job and should stick to academia
"I think a lot of us struggle more than we'd like to admit." As an aging woman, I've reached a point where the world feels like everyone wants me to go full on Midsommar. It's not my values. It's not my behavior. It's a snap judgement that I can never shake, and it's more obvious than people realize.
elder people hold so much knowledge about the world, but we cant have the world being run only by people over 60 🦉☹️
I think we should have younger people in office, but definitely also poor people. But “the masters tools won’t fix the masters house or tear it down” -this is a paraphrase. I think it’s of Mya Angelou, but it might be Bell Hooks.
LMAO. All the elder people in my life don't know shit.
It would be good if there was a mixture, I agree. That's the best idea I've seen yet, because it seeks to include.
On some level, I think we’re forgetting the need to continue educating. Once we leave school a lot of us don’t have the time to grow anymore and definitely don’t have the time to do art. Also quitting education means that we’ve losing touch with the new information that comes out, I have a disability and I’m chronically ill so I feel like these testing are really just gonna be based in eugenics. If politicians had to keep being educated and really immersing themselves also I think wage limits should be a thing.
I'm not sure what's the right solution here. At one hand, many capable people are sharp and able after the age of 70/80, but then again I've seen so many old people mentally degrade or have crippling medical conditions that make them unable to work after age 60. Cognitive testing can also be very biased (In my opinion) and not a foolproof way to determine someone's mental ability.
I would love to see more younger people in politics and put an age limit on important public service jobs, but it's very discriminatory.
Also, young people aren't very much concerned about old people's issues and people over the age of 60 need political representation in parliament with members their age who are fighting for their rights and solving problems they face.
my 2 cents on politicians and age? Age isn't an issue for me, its the repeated terms in power that are the problem. Career politicians live and work in a bubble, wherever the head of state happens to be (Washington, Ottawa, Melbourne, etc). Consecutive terms should be outlawed. Be a politician for life, sure, but get out of the bubble of government and GET BACK TO THE PEOPLE YOU'RE REPRESENTING. Great video, great conversations 😅❤
I think that the main problem is that people are made to think that a job is the most important thing. There is so much more to life than that, that you can do at any age (When it comes to well paid positions obviously, the fact that people are literally starving when they are retired is a whole another issue) They should still be included in their fields if they like, but hogging a position till you die because you like feeling important while not interested in learning (which was the case with every old guy at any company I’ve ever worked at) is a joke. It seems like nobody cares about old people, so I understand why they seem so stubborn about everything but keeping people working forever is not the answer.
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I currently work at a grocery store, as a Courtesy Clerk (Ambassador), I'd otherwise worked SPED since 2013, and it's ASTOUNDING how little recognition Western Society has given to accessibility. Even rudimentary accommodations like "Place your basket by the door" is a hassle for the able-bodied and entitled whom without recognizing that that accommodation is made for those who are NOT able-bodied whom are much more prevalent and possible to experience in our lifetimes than we've been led to believe and maintain.
I am in favor of some form of cognitive testing for older workers. I don't think that it would need to be a pass/fail system, but it's probably a good idea to keep track of where people are at. Not everyone has people in their life who will see signs of decline, or they have people who with actively deny it.
I had to witness the very difficult decline of my grandpa (Alzheimer's with Parkinson's) while at the same time seeing the grieving process of my grandma. She was in denial and would be furious at anyone for pointing out that he was declining. She made a scene at a family party because my aunt said her kid couldn't get a ride with Grandma and Grandpa unless Grandma was driving.
A week before he died he was living in a care home, but was able to come to a family dinner. He was in a wheelchair, not speaking much, taking asleep mid bite. I had just gotten two new bunnies, and while we thought we were sure about their sex, I wanted to get someone to check for sure. My Grandma, with full earnestness, said that my Grandpa could do it because he used to raise bunnies. All I could do was smile and say maybe he could because I didn't want to risk a scene by pointing out that he clearly couldn't.
Thankfully, my grandpa had 9 kids who mostly remained close with the family. I honestly don't know many details because it wasn't my business, but I'm very certain that my dad or one of my uncles or aunts must have been involved in coaxing my grandma to get him to a doctor if not taking him themselves. But if it was just my grandma and grandpa? I doubt that he would've been in good hands.
He wasn't working at the time, he had been retired for a while (I don't know how long, I was either too young to remember or not even born when he retired). I think he had a decent retirement package because he served in the military when he was younger, but I don't know the details.
I know there's a level of embarrassment when you get older and start to decline, whether it's just from being older or if it's caused by Alzheimer's and Dementia. Unfortunately, your embarrassment is not as important as someone's life. My grandma's ire was not worth my cousin being in a car with someone on the brink of having his license taken away.
For the record, I also think that there are jobs that will require physical health exams too. You don't want a surgeon with Parkinson's or any sort of tremor, for example.
I also agree that we need to take care of our seniors, especially if we are going to normalize removing people from jobs at a certain point of decline. People deserve to be able to retire. I think there should be programs designed for seniors, but also there should be money for them! Way more than there is. My other grandpa retired, bought his neighbor's house and built his dream workshop next door so he could tinker with cars all day and that's exactly what he does. He buys nice guitars to play and goes on vacation. I assume he put a lot of money away, but I honestly think that there should be robust social systems in place so that people can retire luxuriously.
Oh god, I feel for everyone involved in your family situation. All I can say it that we have to remove the stigma of being disabled or chronically ill instead of avoiding certain testing just so people can feel good about themselves.
I may have a harsh opinion on this one but I'm from Germany where we have a decent social safety net but at the same time our age pyramid is off in the sense that we have a huge amount of elderly people... and it shows. There are so many car crashes that happen because of older people, our bureaucratic system unable to operate because boomers refuse to learn and implement digitazation and often everyday abuse via angry elders on the streets. This created a lot of resentment towards older people which often ends in ageism but also it annoys me ininitely that old people don't take any accountability for themselves even though they have the means.
So many are of poor mental health and they could have easily started therapy 5 or 10 years ago when it was more accessible than today. They could have worked part time (those that had ridiculously high paying jobs) so that they had the time to build a community and maybe make up with their family so they don't end up completely lonely and isolated once the physical impairment really hits and it gets harder to buid a social life from scratch. What I'm trying to say is that even offering social security, money and resources doesn't guarantee a good situation for the elderly and it does come down to a lack of personal responsibility. We cannot sugarcoat that.
I have cancer and every year I'm lucky to still be here and it's honestly exciting but my needs increase and I've had to be home more and more because of physical limitations, I've been forgotten by most of the people I knew and if it was easier to leave my home maybe I'd run into people and it could be like it was before, I liked thinking about the changes you talked about I hope I get to see a few of them happen :) 🦉🦉🦉🦉🦉
I'm so sorry that you're struggling with cancer, thats awful, I really hope treatment works for you. I hope that you're able to connect again more with your friends/family, they should be happy to make accommodations in order to keep the relationship going, imo it's not hard to wear a mask or do something lowkey outdoors so there's no risk of covid which would make you struggle more, there are options for sure
@@BryonyClaire Well mostly it's that I'm in a wheelchair now that I'm not strong enough to push and I keep getting invited to go places downtown I can't physically get to anymore but maybe if my city becomes more accessible and it becomes easier to find transportation it'll be like a lot of the scary stuff going on with me is just background noise in an otherwise fun life :) I can be pretty optimistic and I really liked your video and how fair you were here :D
@AttemptedClown ah ok I gotcha. The way places in general aren't accessible really sucks, I still think those loved ones could come to YOU though as a starter for 10. Hopefully they'll also be trying to make changes locally to make places more accessible too!
@@BryonyClaire YaY I appreciate that :) you're awesome
People with cognitive decline should not be in positions of responsibility. If that's ableism, I guess I'm going to be ableist on this topic.
what counts as a position of responsibility? And how is that checked for? The issue is, people are in cognitive decline after their mid 30's. We don't test everybody in all roles, plus like i said in the video, long covid has caused cognitive issues for many people, so what are the solutions?
@@BryonyClaire I've worked under managers with cognitive issues and it's awful. The extra stress and work that could have been easily avoided. When you can damage other people with your brain fog, you need to step down or live with supervision and guard rails.
@@maetherabbit9999 I'm not sure that she was disagreeing, just presenting the questions you would have to ask for something like this. It's easy to just say "people who are cognitively impaired shouldn't be given jobs with a lot of responsibility," but what counts as too cognitively impaired? Every job has different levels of responsibility, so what should be the threshold for cognitive decline at each of these jobs? I think if you don't ask these questions and at least try to come up with answers, you run the risk of people using too vague a concept for their own nefarious purposes. Like for example, you know some men will try to argue that women are too "cognitively impaired" by their hormones or periods or whatever to be president, because they already do!
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@@Shibouu59 this was what I mean
This has been a fascinating conversation. I agree with a lot of what you said especially about taxing the wealthy and taxing the churches, because I have been saying that for a long while.
I got to do a watercolours class with many older ladies, and it was SO GREAT! I was 18 at the time and we had great discussions over how grades don’t matter as much as mental health and being yourself.
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we have free transportation for elders (+65 of age) but the problem is elders don't have enough money to go somewhere and do stuff because pensions are below minimum age. therefore they travel all day everyday, including rush hours. they put a pressure on people who have been working for +10 hours to give up on their seats because they are old. I believe this wouldn't be a problem where pensions are decent but I don't know.
Pensions being too low is such a huge issue for so many reasons. What country are you from? It'd be interesting to see how big of an issue of older people "clogging up" the public transport system is
@@BryonyClairetürkiye 💙 by the way, we sometimes have little chats on instagram, but unfortunately instagram was shut down for an unknown time. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
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@ravenonthewindow first- I'm so envious of your public transportation system, that is so interconnected! I couldn't find anything about public transport being too full or issues with older people/retirees being on public transport all day which causes commuters issues but maybe there just haven't been articles written about it. They're probably lonely and looking for some connection, and if they're not getting enough money to socialize, I do get why people would turn to that activity, govts really do need to do better
@@BryonyClaire I couldn't find an article either, but I found this street interview from a year ago. auto-translation is a bit crappy but since you're interested in 😄, th-cam.com/video/BuLDaPTDdeY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Kgb0qcK2tbJqQ6Dw
Age limits are a result of capitalism mostly. We have few to no reliable, safe ways to take care of ourselves without work, but we are expected to give up jobs as we age. In a better society, we'd have competency limits, and comprehensive care of the people, like housing, food, medicine, and healthcare. I think I can say most of us would love to see people enjoy their hobbies into their sunset years, even when they may not have the ability to remember our faces.We just don't want Grandma in charge of a factory when she ALSO can't remember her workers' faces.
(I'd argue leadership roles should be doubly as strict.)
I think this is a very insightful video, thank you
If accommodations cannot be made and your doing the job would harm yourself and/or others, you should be able to step down and still have community.
Thank you for the time, research and empathy you put into this. It gave me a lot to consider. Also, despite all the seriousness, the ending in the beautiful red dress was fantastic. You look so lovely!
To me the answer is very obvious.
The cut off age should be 80. For no other reason than this:
It's arbitrary. We have an age of consent right? It has basis in science on brain development, but it is, definitionally, arbitrary.
80 seems like a fair cut off. Realistically you're only going to live a maximum of 20 more years. While some stay sharp past this point many don't.
Yeah it's not exact but there is science in brain development to support it.
I don't know if you could apply it across the board, but def for politicians.
Along with the socialist policies mentioned in this video I think it's the most reasonable option with the least amount of discrimination.
I would also like to add age discrimination should apply AT ALL AGES. I think it's a load of shit I can't have age protections until I'm 40 over here in the US. SO MANY young people get fired or passed for jobs because they "couldn't possibly possess the knowledge or be wise enough to do X because they are (under 40)".
Good video.
My answer would have definitely been different if you split the public office into: presidents/prime minister, Vs civil servants and local council members. First might merit a age limit because they are supposed to represent as much of their country as possible. Second, because their age might effect how they serve the community in a positive and inclusive way, especially in disability related policy. 🦉
I like the idea of shifting the focus to making life better for everyone instead of just worrying about age limits. One thing I’ve been thinking about since the poll is, why not get rid of the 35 limit and make it 18 minimum to hold any elected office? Instead of putting more limits on older people why not remove barriers for younger ones? I doubt we’ll ever have an 18 year old president anyways, and one that’s 25-34 would be nice. 🦉
It would be cool! I'd be ok with 18 year old president as long as they proved themselves knowledgeable enough. According to Wikipedia "To be a senator, a person must be aged 30 or over. To be a Representative, a person must be aged 25 or older. This is specified in the U.S. Constitution. Most states in the U.S. also have age requirements for the offices of Governor, State Senator, and State Representative. Some states have a minimum age requirement to hold any elected office (usually 21 or 18)." Interesting!
@@onceuponamelody me too actually I’d vote for that even though I’m 35 if I really thought the platform was good and it would energize younger progressive voters.
How about no minimum age at all?
We live in an ableist world and ageism just continues to thrive in it so really we can’t really “decide” when someone should step down bc of cognitive decline bc there is no real definitive way to test this. If our govt decided to make this we know who they would consider unfit for certian roles and we go back 100 years back smh
Love that you talk about local politics. I am in a city council and sometimes it’s frustrating that very few people understand how it works. And yes: we really need people who are interested in their community and have energy to fight for their projects. We support them almost everytime (if it’s a logical issue like more busses to their quarter or a bench to rest). But politicians are not almighty and all knowing. And a lot of local politicians are just normal people with a few themes they want to fight for.
Interesting, and I am here because you said that this one isn't performing as well. Your vids show up on my feed regularly and this one wasn't! Hmmmmmm
This is kind of a double edged sword because in Hungary they actually lowered the age limit for judges from 70 to 62 years. In order to get rid of judges who were not in favour of the new governmental party 😕
Oh wow I didn't know that - it's such a tricky thing to do. The system needs to be re-done imo, too much power is sitting with too few who make the rules they have to obey - aka no rules 🤦♀️
Positions of political power should be held by those who will more likely live with the FULL consequences of their policy as well as those who can actually fulfill their terms.
If a politician could reasonably die before their term is up due to age alone, then they're a liability.
Look at what happened to Ruth Bader Ginsbur.
*_It's an actual problem._*
Not all old people are senile.
But it's still easy for them to be selfish af when they don't have to live with the issues they poorly managed or even created.
Edit: And yes, they do also fall out of touch with younger people.
Not just culturally though.
They also are not capable of having kids anymore on average or anywhere near the age where they would buy their first home.
They don't understand the struggles they have created for people just starting on when all their kids are adults living elsewhere and they're sitting on like 5 different properties across the country/globe.
They should also retire because it's a health issues at the very least.
Just I definitely think them having an "End of history mindset" is made worse by being at the end of their own life while everything "is still okay".
And they're blocking those who want to make history.
I just turned 40 and I received an invisibility cloak for a**h0les! I actually love that and it feels very freeing and like the world has gotten a little safer. I would LOVE to see age group representation across most things, as well as ethical and cognitive training. I feel like the older generations see the younger ones as less moral or ethical (according to their standards) and that all power should have term limits. I like Bidens idea for 18 years, that seems like enough time to get things done with a clear end in sight which we should ALL have, since the human brain 🧠 is resistant to change, which gets worse as we get older.
I'd totally be down to run daytime art classes with older people. I work in the evenings and I never seem to be able to find daytime activities
Looking at the US for the insider perspective is also really weird.
❤❤❤❤ I am so loving your story at the end! I am a sewist and love hearing about your experience with the older generation!
Very glad this is a conversation being had. I’ve been very frustrated with current affairs politically and couldn’t figure out how to point it out or put it into words beyond saying how some disabilities or conditions do make it impossible to do a job correctly and are reasonably a reason for people to step down if their actions harm themselves or others.
The key part I wasn’t putting into words was the retirement solutions (as I have not been able to talk with many elderly poor people and was nit getting the full picture), involvement in society, and how to balance allowing those who can and want to to work, but also relying on community involvement outside of work for everyone, especially the elderly who value their worth based on work, so they can still have community and we don’t just fire people entirely due to age, leaving them in poor conditions.
My great grandad was booted from NZ’s Labour party because parliament made a rule about forced retirement after 70. Obviously this didn’t last because Winston Peters is way older than that.
🦉🦉🦉 First time commenter... I just found you a few weeks ago and have been loving your videos. Your content is amazing and so full of new ideas that get me thinking. These 37 minutes flew by.. I love that you put out really long-form videos. Thank you for your hard work on these videos and thank you for sharing your long covid struggles. I have my own covid struggles and it has certainly made me way more aware of the ableist society we live in. Now off to go watch your video on ableism.
Jimmy Carter only served one term, heck, why not have him run for reelection?
Jimmy Carter is in hospice care. His grandson, Jason Carter, served as a GA senator though!
lol! Also, how long has he been in hospice? I thought it usually only lasted for a few months tops
@@Mandy87Marie As someone whose grandfather was in hospice for almost five years? Hospice should last as long as the patient needs it.
@@Rowan.Evander May I ask what condition he had that would require hospice for 5 years? Where I’m from, most people would be in a long term care facility if their condition is expected to last for a while
@@Rowan.Evanderin my country people only get put into hospice care if they are going to die soon, for example when you are at the end of a terminal illness
Your 401k story has me lol’ing, I’m sure you’re not the only one who thought that! 🦉
Personally, I see the prejudice that old people face purely as ableism. Once you hit a certain age, it is assumed that you are disabled (or that you will become disabled soon) and therefore you are subject to the same treatment disabled people have always dealt with. Your worth as an employee and person in society is "gone."
valid points were made, i will need to check my internal ableism and ageism. great video!!
This is one of the best videos you've ever made. Completely on point, without being ageist. Much love.
🦉🦉🦉 aging is such an emotionally charged topic I had to watch this in 2 parts. I love your insights and thoughts about how to make it better, but it's so overwhelming. Thank you for the work you put into all of your videos
🦉I also think that voting should be mandatory and on a holiday for all. We need proper representation, and when I worked doing political surveys, really almost everyone who likes and agrees to political polls are 55 + and white, so don't trust polls because a large majority of the people who actually represent our country don't take polls! So we must change this.
If we let people retire with dignity and had a robust social security system with universal healthcare, they wouldn’t feel pressured to work so long if they didn’t want to.
Regarding your question on how to keep people involved without them needing to work, in France all the major universities offer a program called Université du Temps Libre (University of Free Time), it's a branch of the universities where people (usually retired people but they allow everybody to join) can take classes without having to enroll. They still can get a degree if they like or just attend classes/conferences specially created for the program. There are conferences on nearly everything (local and international history, art/art history, sports, theology, music, philosophy, psychology, human sciences, astrophysics, language classes...) and they are relatively cheap, the fee to register for a conference is 17€ if you want to be in only one but 12€/conference if you take the entire module. My partner used to work there and a lot of people came!
There is a lower age limit for presidency, so there is precedent to have an upper age limit. However other jobs should not have age limits. High stakes jobs (pilots, doctors, emergency workers, etc) should have checks to ensure that all workers remain capable of safely continuing their work. Same requiring people to retake their drivers tests. Make the tests cheap/free/easy to access, but make them much more regular. I think this would make all drivers safer 😅. As for old politicians… ugh it’s such a tough problem. I want to reduce the elderly monopoly on politics without banning them. All age groups should ideally have representation. It would even be interesting (though possibly a terrible idea to implement) to have children representatives (who are consulted occasionally, not work a job hahaha). I think that would be interesting.
25:17 Great point! It feels like losing your purpose for some, and is often due to internalized ableism, a wish for community, and to feel valued as a person. Everyone deserves that, and they should have more options than work.
Sorry i know its very off topic, but i love your eyeshadow look!!☁️💗 I lowkey kept getting distracted looking at it /pos
🦉 such a interesting topic. love the disability talk.
I am originally from Romania and there every employed person has medical testing (paid by employer) every single year, and the tests depend on the type of job you do. So if there is anything wrong you can do something about it (eg you’re found with high blood pressure, you’re recommended to go to hospital for further tests and so on). The tests are not too deep but it’s enough to give you an idea if someone (no matter the age) is fit for a job, with or without treatment.
Though in some instances employers should also make accommodations IF the quality of work, as well as other team members, would not be significantly impacted.
And strictly about the age limits, I do believe that some jobs would need this but also the retirement age for the people who work those jobs should be reduced accordingly. EG if you work in a mine for over 30 years you should get to retire latest at 55 yo with full pension benefits.
🦉thank you for All your hard work! As much as think I'm aware, I really need to be checking myself with ageism and ableism.. Discard Capitalism embrace Socialisim.
I don't think having an age limit on politician jobs is a bad idea, not even necessarily because of cognitive decline, but because people who know they only have ~10 or fewer years to live will probably make more decisions that will be harmful to younger generations than those who know that they'll also have to deal with the repercussions for decades to come
My opinion on the matter is, let those 65+ have consulting jobs at the most, like we can benefit from their wisdom, but for the love humanity, let younger people make decisions that we'll have to live with. Most of those who dont wanna retire are just too prideful and power-hungry to let others in. Also, as is just keeps young people stagnant in their own careers. We should also lower age requirements for office positions, age does not equal wisdom.
Considering 65 is typically the age you are retired or should be fully gearing up to retire...I feel like that makes you one of the most removed from the majority of society's issues.
You're definitely not going to sympathize as much with the working class at that age because you feel like you already figured it all out. But a 65 year old's experience from their 20's and 30's is NOT the same as modern day people's 20's and 30's.
Times change. The 65 year old likely just doesn't want the boat rocked so they can be comfortable when they finally do quit.
no one can afford to retire that young anymore
I knew a brilliant surgeon who had to retire early (in his 60ies) because of a rapidly progressing form of dementia. Met him about a year later by chance (while working in an institution), and he was only a shell of a person. On the other hand I know an ophthalmologist who is working well in his seventies and doing a brilliant job. Strict age limits just don't reflect the reality of ageing.
That must have been heart breaking to see them like that 😥 the effects of aging, cognitive function etc all vary from person to person, whilst it may be "easy" to try and put blanket rules in place, it's ultimately not a good thing imo
🦉 i honestly don't understand why this conversation is not part of like the general news media daily stuff.
Thank you so much for the great video!
Thank you for this video 🦉it is a really important topic. I’m just started a new job at a senior living center as part of the life enrichment team
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Nice video, lots of thoughtful commentary. If you were an American politician, I’d say your policies would earn my vote absolutely!
I think term limits should be long w/o reelection! Reelection campaigns are the scourge of American legislative politics
We need 4 things for president, government, cops, & judges.
1)Age restrictions or at least quarter annual cognitive & physical health checkups.
2)Term restrictions. No life-long careers.
3)Low wage salary. Wealth brings out the evil in everyone & makes them less empathetic.
4)Screening for drugs, alcohol, gambling, anger management, sexism, racism, homophobia, & other issues.
🦉 this video just comfirmed my recent realisation, that I should focus on making my future-gramdma-self's life easier (mobility training, diet, savings, etc)
I would very happily live in Bryony-land🦉I wish more people thought this way. Fantastic research and presentation as always. I get into discussions about Universal Health Care with many Americans and their biggest fear is their taxes going up (well if you took a part of the “defense” budget that wouldn’t be a problem.) But the main fear is that others would get more use out of it than they would. And as someone left disabled and in daily chronic pain at the age of 28, I’m just left speechless. So, they’d be upset at having better health? Over the years the mindset of the USA has slowly gone from thinking of community, helping each other, to a disdain of people who are homeless, chronically ill, etc. Capitalism has done such a number on many of them through fear. I’m not speaking about all of them of course. But a very large group are more concerned about their gun rights than healthcare, affordable housing, equal pay, maternity leave. I don’t have kids but I’m very happy parents can split or choose which one can stay at home with pay for an entire year. I am happy to pay taxes for school, so teachers are paid well (very well here) and don’t have to buy their own supply.
The Republican Party seems to have gone off the bend or as George W. Bush called them, “The have and the have mores” and the racist propaganda about people seeking Asylum (many due to the USA’s involvement in their home country) that’s not covered on the news because it’s changed into more political entertainment. Ok, enough of that I could go on forever.
Btw, I’m 53 and a huge Buffy fan and so many women would benefit from watching that show. It covers so many things we all face in life and it’s written so smartly, it’s, funny, thrilling, and great action scenes and also handles the hardest things we have to face. It’s actually one of the most realistic down to earth shows, but packaged in a very fun exciting way.
I understand that I might be oversimplifying this topic, but I believe that if someone is not capable of performing a job, they shouldn't be hired or elected for that position. While ageism and ableism are real issues, they should not deter us from considering cognitive or age limits for certain high-impact jobs.
I don’t have a medical degree, so I don’t perform surgery. It's as simple as that.
(Of course, I’m not addressing all the social issues, pension schemes, and various aspects of the discourse you've discussed in the video. My comment represents an idealized perspective that might make more sense in a "fixed" and possibly utopian society.)
I subbed as soon as you mentioned the geno¢ide!!!! I love you gurl
No, I would hate to be in such a state where I have to be cared for by another for the same reason that I’d hate to lose my vision. It’s not about prejudice, or shame, it’s about loss. You do what you have to do to move on and find new joys in life, but it’s still a loss.
the montage in the beginning was absolute gold!! also 🦉🦉🦉
Mandatory retirement ages for things like air traffic controllers (and even the corresponding ‘we want younger starters, because this job works best with experienced people doing it reliably for 25 years and NOT having constant turnover and training) is something that sounds like an excellent idea. The trick is retirement protection going hand in hand.
Any job where safety/lives are a factor SHOULD by default have an age limit not because of presumed incapacity but because it’s a fair, predictable and safe way to prevent *incapacity* being discovered in the worst possible way. Individual rights in these scenarios should come second to the rights of the whole to be safe.
Thanks so much for all the effort you put into your content. Your time is greatly appreciated ❤🦉
Thank you for encouraging us to check this out! It's a lot more than the age limit title, and I'm really glad that I watched it.
I'm v. much of 2 minds about age limits in politics. It's gross that political roles are *so* consolidated among a rich, old, white group of people in the US (and in other countries, too), but hard and fast age limits chafe at my sense of fairness. And at the internalized cry of *FREEDOM!!1!* that I have - despite not having a lot of patriotism, I do have this odd strain of love for the US constitution that pops up here and there.
But I think that the screwiness of the current homogeneity of our politicians is about more than age, and needs to be fixed at a deeper level. Fixing the age piece by putting in age limits would lop off one pseudopod of this poisonous amoeba, but it'd leave the core intact.
Before finishing the video, my general ideals around the issue with American Political positions specifically are Term Limits on all positions, cognitive and physical testing to qualify for even running, and a mandatory retirement age for the rare case that someone reaches that point.
Just giving my thoughts ahead of time, I really think term limits are the key not age limits. I do think there's a problem when the system sort of creates this skew of significantly over-representing one age group not because of ability exactly but more because your values and motives have likely cemented themselves after a certain point and they are informed by the time they were formed. We need more viewpoints and experience to be involved.