Thank you for this episode. I think the paywall needs to be removed on this so the full contents can be shared as widely as possible. Yuval brings up some really key points at the end about the responsibilities of the intellectual elite in moments like this and how they are falling short, and reiterates the more balanced perspective that must be adopted for further catastrophes to be avoided. This message needs to be heard.
I think you just convinced me to subscribe. Edit- I just realized why I haven’t….that really is pretty steep, and I’m a guy who has like 15 subscriptions to various services.
These should be released in full. Episodes that you believe “actually” need to be heard. I mean, you know you’re a smart dude and do “make sense” and this logic needs to be released to the world. A topic like this is a good example of what needs to be heard. If you want to continue making a difference (you will either way) release then in full… I guarantee it will require people to think about what and why they believe what they say. We need that today lol. Good job Sam as always!
I agree. But he is also making a living. I believe he will release the full podcast on TH-cam in the near future because , like you said, it really is too important to just be heard by a select few.
This one really should be released in full without a paywall..Yuval and you both raise solid points from different perspectives, and this exchange truly needs to be heard across the world in times like these.
@@haithemelzabri it seems as though the comments section here overwhelmingly disagrees with your opinion. Care to specify what parts of the exchange felt those particular ways to you?
@@haithemelzabri interesting -- where exactly in the podcast did you hear that? Harari dedicates the first 15 minutes of the podcast to calling out Netanyahu and the illegal behaviour of the extremists in his government...Harris & Harari provided pro-peace and anti-extremism perspectives that agreed for a need to remove Netanyahu & the populist extremists in his cabinet "who put his personal interests before the national interests", along with removing Hamas, in order for moderate Palestinian & Israeli voices to work together towards peace. Religious extremism (both messianic extremism and jihadi extremism) are spoken about in this podcast, which is different than righteous resistance, and neither voice on this podcast advocated for genocide, no matter how horrendous the realities of wars are. I don't know how you got to your conclusions when Harari - among other poignant insights - says: "If we want to have some chance of peace in the future, we have to disarm Hamas. Of course, simultaneously, we also have to give the Palestinians a different future to give them the possibility that they can see that if they choose a different path they could live dignified lives in their homeland...And this should be Israel's warning, I think, to go back to the Saudi peace treaty and to restart the peace process with the Palestinians..." "Now is the ground attack in the way it is conducted right now, is this the ideal way to disarm Hamas? I just don't know, that is beyond my expertise, but without some kind of military measures, obviously Hamas is not going to disarm voluntarily..." "From a broader perspective, in most ethnic conflicts around the world, both sides tend to be victims and perpetrators at the same time. This is a very simple and banal fact, that for some reason most people seem incapable of grasping...So many people seem to refuse this simple fact of history, and think in binary terms, that one side must be 100% evil and one side must be 100% pure and just, and we just need to pick a side and this of course links to these fantasies of perfect & absolute justice, which are - historically - always destructive."
Sam, as an Israeli I can tell you that Yuval represents the secular leftist view of the situation. They are the rulling minority. Most of the Israelis tell a different story, which you don't hear it. It creates confirmation bias. Please talk to Amir Avivi, Gershon Hacohen, Mordechai Kedar, Caroline Glick, Ran Baratz, Gadi Taub and others.
@@Reel___ The next election will decide - nothing to sweat about. Israel has elections so all is good .... now let's focus on Hamas who don't hold elections.
Sam, you never cease to amaze me with your intelligence and excellent guests. This podcast was unbelievably good and thought-provoking. I’m glad I got to hear the entire discussion. I agree that, on this particular episode, perhaps the paywall could be removed. It’s up to you, of course, but your and Yuval’s entire discussion should be heard by everyone.
I was thinking the same thing. The parallels between the Israeli government and what a good portion of the US population wants to bring back are fairly obvious and I would HOPE might bring some people to see the risks to democracy and in turn the world order.
@@ricardoalvarado1109 my channel is 10 years old and I have a very authentic posting history. The op’s channel is 16 years old and he has a posting history. The other commenter’s channel is 12 years old. You just can’t believe what you’re seeing.
Nothing is better for my mental health than listening to TRULY smart and ethical people talk. It’s like a massage for my brain, I can relax and my brain never freezes in an attempt to make sense of what was said or to unpack which incentives are behind it.
This really is how the future became so bleak*. We reconstructed our present on the foundation of a handful of dreary historical events. slavery, colonialism, and the holocaust became the focal points guiding the future of Americans - no wonder things have declined so precipitously.
@@EdwardsComment i blame “boomers” n the stoopid divisive stories they tell their kids…looks like they have to die out 1st b4 things can get better, tho then there r “zoomers” who basically r already robots/slaves. everything in cycles i guess.
32:45 - It's a point that always comes to mind, even though it's a kind of "whataboutism" argument. All my Israeli family members originated from Arab nations. They had no interest in leaving their home, which they had lived in for generations, but had no choice but to leave and retreat to Israel. And now they are called "occupiers." They're refugees, forced from their homes, and now they're living and supporting a country that let them in.
That is precisely the reason why Israel is so important. When push comes to shove people haven’t stood up for Jews. So they need a state and a safe haven of their own. The “Palestinians” can damn well find new homes among their Arab neighbors. But the Arabs won’t let them only because of Israel.
@@infidelheretic923That’s exactly right! What I don’t agree with, however, is Netanyahu being blamed. As much as I respect Professor Harari, I disagree with his views about Netanyahu and Trump.
@@kimberlywallace6148 I have mixed feelings about both of them. Trump is a corrupt wannabe dictator who ought to be in prison. But I’m fine with his decision to move americas embassy to Jerusalem. A broken clock is right twice a day.
In this interview Yuval defined peace as something which doesn't give absolute justice to anybody but gives a better future for everybody. Those are truly wise words, that's the best definition of peace.
This is the most informative, enlightened and enlightening discussion I have heard on this awful issue - and I’ve listened to a fair few in the last weeks. Very valuable contribution to public understanding, I think
"To be a scientist is to be naive. We are so focused on our search for truth, we fail to consider how few actually want us to find it. But it is always there, whether we see it or not, whether we choose to or not. The truth doesn't care about our needs or wants. It doesn't care about our governments, our ideologies, our religions. It will lie in wait for all time. And this, at last, is the gift of Chernobyl. Where I once would fear the cost of truth, now I only ask: "What is the cost of lies?" Valery Legasov
Slight difference between the Ukraines/Lithuanians and Hamas is that the former do not have a written declaration for the total eradication of the Poles. And as for returning lost lands, the results are there for the reading regarding Israel and her neighbours since approximately 1947. Sometimes one must learn from the past to prevent the repeat of same.
This latest podcast of Sam is yet another unbelievably good and thought provoking . Mr.Yuval brings up some really key points and historical perspectives of the current situation . Appreciate his balanced perspective for further catastrophes to be avoided .This entire discussion must be heard by everyone.
Great episode. I wanted to subscribe to listen to the whole conversation but I’m not doing the whole year. Is there a way to sub for a month or purchase an episode?
How wonderful to follow an INTELLIGENT exposé and discussion. I am so fed up with the constant emotionally dramatic diatribe of wokeism. Thank you Mr. Harris. I learned a lot more about the complexity of the situation and particularly about the internal politics, leading up to the current chaos. (I am subscribed BTW). I am slowly building my list of people I can follow on You Tube, people who are working from an intelligent, where is the truth, basis. It almost goes without saying that you are on my list. Thank you again. Not only are your podcasts "a breath of fresh air", they are a necessity. Please continue.
Yuval the example of relations between Poland and Ukraine is the best. As I Pole, I never expected that despite the genocide in Volhynia, about 60,000 Poles died , Poles and Ukrainians would be friends in the future. Today, about 1 million refugees from Ukraine are in Poland. These are well-educated people who work in Poland to earn their living. I have many friends among them. I hope that they feel at home in Poland and that after the war they will be able to safely return home to Ukraine or stay in Poland. 🇵🇱❤🇺🇦 I wish that the Israeli and Palestinian nations will also become friends🇵🇸❤🇮🇱
keep on wishing, but you forget that these peoples, their religions and what it stand for are not compatible, i am refering to Israel and the Palastinians - the polish goverment was wise enough, after seeing whats happening in western countries, like France, GB, Belgium and Germany, not to let hundreds of thousands muslims come to poland.....think of the terrible attacks in Paris, London, Bruxells or Berlin.....experience Berlin Kreuzberg, Wedding or Neukölln or the outskirts of Paris......
The Palestinians have rejected every opportunity for a state. The reason many on the right in Israel is against a Palestinian state is because they don't want a independent terrorist state right on top of Israel. Yuval is a far left liar.
With how many isralies have you speak ? This episode is actually discuss some very popular ideas in israel Do you know how many israelis want two state soultion? do you know how many activist are in israel ? do you know how many peace deal palstine refused from 37,47,2001,2008? stop spread lies & hate ? we had Enough .
I love both Sam Harris and Yuval Noah Harari, but what a potent combination the two of them are together! Sam, thank you so much for asking intelligent and meaningful questions that helped further our understanding.
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
This conversation, like the last one on this topic, is very elucidating. It is clear that Hamas needs to end in order for Muslims and Jews to find peace.
@@F--B I believe so. There are certain parties that do everything to impede progress and any chance of reconciliation. They also use the power of belief as a weapon besides emphasising past grievances. Such nefarious agents, in search of power, do not tolerate opposition let alone religious reform towards civility that would force them to give up aggression and prejudice.
Muhammad's greatest invention was Jihad. "Fighting is prescribed for you'' Koran 2: 216 “Slay them wherever you find them'' Koran 4: 89 “Fight the idolators utterly'' Koran 9: 36
The first thing I want to say to you, Sam Harris, and to you Yuval Noah Harari, is that I believe you have both made the world a better place. You both speak your minds and your thoughts come often resonate from your hearts and pass through your souls to us on many, many issues that perplex modern society. The second thing I want to offer is my condolences to Yuval and his family and friends who have lost loved ones, friends, and fellow Israelis on the 7 October attacks. To quote Roosevelt: a day that will go down in infamy and never fade from the conscience of Israelis and the Jewish people and the world community. If I may, here is my opinion on what has to be done to change some things in the region. Yuval has stated that the Arab nations refuse to accept Israel as a sovereign state and this must change. This shows to me that the Arab mindset is set in concrete and nothing good will come of continuing with this refusal to accept Israel's right to exist. Next: Gaza can and never will be trusted by Israeli's living on the border with Gaza or even deep into Israel and this is where I have an idea how to kill two dilemmas with two beautiful words: wildlife sanctuary. Yes; that's right: you hear me correctly. Gaza must be transformed from the blood-soaked battleground of warring factions and a population of people living in deplorable conditions to a nature reserve for saving endangered species of plant, animal and aquatic life. This could become the Galapagos of the middle east and bring in more tourists than the pyramids. Israelis, Egyptians, Palestinians and all neighboring states could put their differences behind them and work together to save the many, many species on the verge of extinction. Our progeny would echo heartfelt thanks to us for sending them a wildlife reserve with faun and fauna brought back from extinction. This is an example of what could be accomplished: there are only 6 black tigers known to exist, for example. We could save this species by allowing them to reproduce in a protected nature reserve! The key to this dream of mine of course comes with a caveat many will say is more like a noose: a proper homeland for the Palestinians must be the cherry on the cake and this is of course where the good ship I am sailing on runs aground. Because we are going to need to re-think and re-draw some boundaries and give up some land so that the Palestinians can all live proudly on enough land to house their entire population. To recap: an ecological buffer zone must be created by evacuating Palestinians from Gaza which has been called an open prison to their own country, a patch of land that no one can claim but them and Gaza must be transformed into an oasis of the middle east cum Galapagos that would allow the deep wounds to heal that both the Israelis and the Palestinians bear from a conflict whose root cause is basically a border dispute that can only be resolved by taking dramatic steps and perhaps even using harsh methods to achieve an everlasting peace in the region. Arabs will be willing to accept Israel as a sovereign state once they see their Palestinian brothers and sisters living on their own in peace. All Arab nations and Israelis must understand that the road to peace is by listening to each other as neighbors first and use nature reserves to be buffer zones on contested lands because no one will attack a wildlife sanctuary. This Gaza war must and can be resolved with words and logic and wisdom.
I like your idea but unfortunately it's a pipe dream (I mean no disrespect). Also, you cannot reason (use logic) with extreme ideology on both sides, especially if it's religion based.
@@OtagesBringthemhome_NOWGGGGGGGGGGreat to hear from you. It's clearly the million-dollar question and once it has been answered, there will certainly be a change in the mindset of all concerned. What I see as the only solution is that all Palestinians must have their own stretch of land and that's where the greater Arab Community comes in. There is silence coming from the Arab nations around the Gaza war and no one is offering a helping hand. This is where the UN comes in why Guterres is missing the target completely by staying in the background. What should be is that all business in the UN takes a backseat to the Gaza war and that a Palestinian state is redrawn from existing boundaries. This sounds daft coming from where we stand today, but there has to be some pain before we make any gain. We need someone to open the discussion about carving out enough land for a proper country for these poor people who are living atrociously and inhumanely while others look on as if it were a circus show.
@@tekannon7803 Existing boundries without the gaza strip and thereby moving a group of people, who wants to annihialate Israel and all Jews, even closer to Israeli's ? Move them all of them to the West Bank would be suicide. Giving up more of Israel's own land would be suicide too. Do do you have any other and better suggestions? Keep in mind that Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon don't want more Palestinians due to them having very bad experiences with them in the past themselves.
Some sense spoken by Harari, however, some of the points were glossed over; Harris showed his real colours at the end by painting the Moslem world as 'other', by continually referring to Moslems as "they" and painting non-christian countries as the only perpetrators of violence in the world. There was no reference at all to the Iraq war, as a factor. Not enough background to the conflict. No reference to the arms trade as a factor. Quite shoddy in my opinion.
The complaint isn't that some people are more elite than others; it's in denying that they ever govern in accordance with their own self interests and priorities, or even suffer from myopias induced by the cliques with which they travel. The particular way that the elite is choosing to govern must also be a legitimate subject of potential criticism -- in a democracy. People are not simply obliged to pay the traditional deference accorded to nobles.
Yuval was simply saying that elites were needed for their competence in running Israel's most important institutions, which are now failing. Sure, criticize the elites all you want, but a democracy requires a competently administered government.
@randyevermore9323 competence, it seems isn't a primary concern in this modern world. Diversity, equity, and inclusion is the goal, which flys in the face of a meritocratic society.
@@wayneshore4136 "Diversity, equity, and inclusion is the goal . . ." Yuval's point, though, was that competence in Israel had been eliminated due to "deep state" conspiracy nonsense, just as in the U.S.
Historians can be politically naive sometimes. Yuval said that Hamas did this because it wanted to stop a peace treaty between Saudis and Israelis. He might be right but I need to remind you that Arab governments don’t represent public opinion. Arab leaders are a bunch of authoritarians who are interested solely in staying in power. They were doing this for their own sake not for the sake of peace in the regions. UAE, Bahrain, Morocco and before that Jordan and Egypt signed peace treatments with the Israelis. How did that reflect on the ground for Palestinians?
plus he ignores the part of Gaza being concentration camp a good reason for Hamas to strike back and not wanting a Peace that since 1967 has not been respected by the Israeli side.
In one of the first videos Sam released after the Hamas attack he finished by saying "There is no moral equivalence". I didn't quite understand what he meant. Now I've seen the IDF do their thing, I see it clearly.
It's almost laughable to imagine Sam actually inviting a Palestinian onto his podcast. This clearly indicates his exceptional capacity for rational thought.
Speaking as a non-Jewish American who has been through the war in israel for 7 weeks until being able to leave for Norway, I completely agree with Yuval's observations and insights. I went there to help take hospice care of an elderly woman a week before the attacks happened. I have no national connection to Israel, but the severity of the terror attacks hit every bone in my body. I saw videos from first responders and terrorist body cams, nothing could explain what that was.. it will take a lifetime to find the words. Thank you guys for talking so succinctly about this.
Hey, hope you made it safely back home. I appreciate your perspective, it is hard to explain the pain to those who haven't been through it. Love from Israel ❤
I wish I could just subscribe to TH-cam and get full episodes but please keep up the good work Sam enjoy even half episodes with your guests frequently
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
It's the first time I've heard a story like this from the scene. It was useful to familiarize myself with the details of the situation so that I could create a picture of everything. I'm from Europe and there was a war here and we came to peace, of course, with some compromise. Life without peace is not worth living.
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
Yuval called him a dictator lol. He’s unhinged. All he wanted was to limit the power of unelected judges who could strike down any law that democratically elected officials passed. He said it himself. Israel doesn’t have a constitution. In America, the Supreme Court looks to the constitution. Where do the Israeli judges look? Nowhere? They look in their own hearts and conscience, which is not how a judge is suppose to act. A judge looks at a situation and determines whether it violates the law as it is written. But if there is no law written they are able to act purely on their own judgement. They are unelected and shouldn’t have as much power as they do. Nobody elected them. And the system by which they are appointed is totally bizarre.
Thank you for sharing this discussion. It is vital in a time where millions of people across the world are cheering for an “intifada”, tearing down posters of the kidnapped, and grossly misusing terms like “genocide” and “apartheid”
The notions of apartheid isnt some SJW term. Its a term employed by Israeli leaders. "More and more Palestinians are uninterested in a negotiated, two-state solution, because they want to change the essence of the conflict from an Algerian paradigm to a South African one. From a struggle against 'occupation,' in their parlance, to a struggle for one-man-one-vote." - Ehud Olmert
Yes! I'm very happy with this episode. Finally more nuance. You've been hardlining the purely religious aspect of this conflict for way too long, good to see you widening the discussion. You were to focused on value-judging how the two sides justified their actions rather than their actions for what they really were. Thank you Sam. 🙏
The Palestinians have rejected every opportunity for a state. The reason many on the right in Israel is against a Palestinian state is because they don't want a independent terrorist state right on top of Israel. Yuval is a far left liar. He's not mainstream opinion in Israel
His last episode was actually so dumb and Eric Levitz did a great response in the NY mag to it just the other day. I now see the problem of focusing too much on the religion aspect, just looks like a lame deflect to not concede anything politically. That being said, definitely a religious aspect to this fighting but if the Palestinians don’t have a reason to be politically pissed then who does?
@@ptadisbander7959 Yeah last one “made” no “sense”. Honestly when it comes to issues like these, I think you’re better off reading books. These public intellectuals don’t know anything more than we do. It’s not like they’re on location or have great sources. They just read a bunch of news and Twitter and turn on a microphone.
I feel like the reason he goes so hard into the religious aspect of it rather than the political is because that seems to be the blind spot of so many others in the secular west where the narrative tends to be that its always entirely politically motivated and we need look no further than that.
@@joebob-p3z Yeah, it becomes a distortion though if you start to view everything through that lens. I think that’s what Harris is doing, and it doesn’t match up to reality. If the Islamic/Jihadi worldview was so popular, why would they have to resort to terroristic tactics? And why would an Islamic country like Saudi Arabia host huge sporting events and invite thousands of “infidels” to enjoy them? The reality is just way more complex than he makes it out to be.
You are a champion among followers. Everyone knows what you think before you speak and that's why they cheer. Don't worry, don't fret, you are very much in the majority. Live for the likes. You have no free will. Eat it!
Excellent conversation, Sam and Yuval! I am deeply encouraged that thinkers like you two are around today, providing some sense of stability amidst the general chaos.
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
You should start using ads instead of subscriptions; i believe most people wouldnt mind the ads, especially from good companies with quality products. This way you would be able to reach more people; and maybe change their points of view. Thanks for the great talk.
He has discussed this topic a few times. And as others have commented, he wants to be completly independent of advertisers and censoring, which is why developed his own podcasting platform.
Intelligent discussion with one exception. I am alarmed at the apparent blind spot regarding institutional loss of trust and possible collapse. I think it is fine for Yuval and Sam to share a bit of a left leaning bias, but when diagnosing the massive issue of institutional degradation, I think we need to be as unbiased as possible. I think Yuval's examination of the perils this poses are brilliant and spot on. But it's puzzling that the diagnosis seems to point exclusively to Trump and Elon - i.e., it's a problem on the right. And Yuval pointed to the "risk" of someone not turning over power - a bit of a red herring. To his credit Sam pushed back a bit on Universities. I agree that it is problematic for Trump or anyone on the right to lean into the instituional decay in a way that makes people give up on the institutions. While it may make the problem worse, that is NOT the source of the problem, it is just an effort to amplify the reponse to the problem. The threat is coming from WITHIN the institutions. I don't think anyone is claiming there is a right wing takeover of virtually any of our institutions - quite the opposite. The threat is that with the left dominating these institutions, they seem to have fallen to the temptation of utilizing those institutions for political gain. I understand the temptation, but it is predictably destructive, because of course a huge portion of the public now distrusts media, for instance, because there is a clear left leaning bias. Ditto for academia, etc. And to Yuval's point, there is no check of academia by the media, because they both share the same bias. Yuval points out the source of decay seems to come by reductively viewing pursuits as a pursuit of power, rather than pursuit of truth. Agreed. But isn't that literally the core tenet of post-modern and woke philosophy??? The decay of the institutions we are seeing is purposely being caused by a philosophy that seems to have captured them. But Yuval points to Trump as a shining example of this? Why can't we just soberly note the obvious? The most radical part of the left seems to have embraced a philosophy that is dangerous in it's focus almost solely on power dynamics. While it may not be a widespread philosophy among the population at large, it has become the driving force of several institutions, which have thus become politicized. Accordingly, trust in said institutions is decaying. The out of power Right, is simply pointing and railing against such abuses within the institutions. The left responds by claiming the Right is therefore the threat, because their complaints are stoking greater distrust in the institutions. The solution does not rest with silencing the complaints, and leaving the institutions to nonetheless decay under the current philosophy.
I’m an Israeli who considers herself a left-winged liberal, and 100% agree with Yuval’s point of view. I wish we had more honest, open-minded, intelligent, brave leaders in Israel who could take us in the direction Yuval was outlining. I’m also a subscriber of the podcast so I got to hear this episode in full and of course agree with the many comments here suggesting the paywall for this one should be removed. Well done, excellent conversation. Keep up the good work, Sam and Yuval.
When all the episodes were free in whole, I supported Sam on patreon. When they went paywalled I chose not to continue supporting him because what I was paying for on patreon was supporting getting his conversations spread to the widest possible audience. I'll gladly donate to support projects which I think are good for wider society, I'll buy myself books if I'm just paying for my own education.
I am really having hard time to grasp the ignorance of Sam Harris about the difference between the muslim people and the fundamentalist islam. He is openly suggesting lets strat a religious war than after the muslims suffer enough we will find a way to deal with them. As an atheist I am really having difficulty to understand the logic in that.
I feel sorry for ppl like you who become atheists listening to these new atheists morons. Most of these are atheists with Jewish backgrounds who defend barbarism of Talmud but attack every other religion. Rn Christianity is almost dead so now their target is Islam.
As an Israeli, Yuval has a very specific point of view on the government and why what happened happened. I wouldn’t take any word as stone from here because the Israeli dynamic his much more complex than that.
what do you think lead up to the attack. That day isnt the beginning point of this conflict. Its years of an occupied population finally making a big move. Is that something we can agree on?
@@collectYaNeck The fact that this attack is being framed as a big move for an "occupied" population is false imo. For one, HAMAS has been committing acts of terror on Israel since they took over. Bombing, kidnappings and straight up attacks. I can agree that this was their biggest attack, but their focus has never changed from day one. That is to wipe Israel off the map..."from the river to the sea". On top of that, it widely accepted that HAMAS is not representative of the Palestinians, right? So how can this attack be representative of an "occupied" population making a big move? It is a terrorist organization that committed a major terrorist attack to continue it pursuit of its doctrine, which is wiping Israel, and Jews off the face of the earth. They're using the Palestinians as a human shield to get this done.
@@collectYaNeckno. If you don’t understand how Iran made this against Saudi Arabia, you actually see nothing. And there are plenty of examples of disputed lands where people don’t act as violently as Hamas. This is just called radical islam and fanaticism.
It’s unfortunate that there’s no monthly subscription option that can be cancelled if you don’t want to continue - or a one month trial. Having to make a year commitment up front seems unreasonable and limits the audience. I voluntarily pay for a number of sub stacks - most of which don’t distinguish between paid and unpaid. Great episode. Not prepared to pay for a year just to hear the rest.
Given what Sam has said on this topic previously and his admittance here that he hasn’t been following Israeli politics closely, I hope the conversation between 13mins and 18mins here gives him some pause for thought where Yuval states that Netanyahu did not want the moderates to prevail in Gaza and preferred to keep Hamas in charge. He was baiting an attack like this to justify a response like we have seen since October 7th. I like Sam but he has focussed way too much on the religious motive behind the Hamas attack (though it certainly is an aspect of it) and not enough on Israel’s provocation. Given what we’ve seen since October 7th it’s hard to believe that Netanyahu completely dismissed the idea of a major Hamas attack being a net benefit to the Israel project.
It's a complete misnomer. The reason the right in Israel is against a Palestinian state is because they don't want a independent terrorist state right on top of Israel. Yuval is a far left liar
I have been studying this for 20 years and the Palestinian “moderates” people are referring to are the PLO/PA who openly support the destruction of Israel and inciting/supporting terrorism. The only difference is the PA are more careful at hiding it to a western audience. If you read/speak Arabic you see that they are not really moderate. Just as an example they called for the mosques to read a Hadith about killing Jews shortly after the attack. Abbas is a disciple of Arafat who Netanyahu had direct negotiations with. He knows their intentions and it’s not for peace. They’ve used completely nonsense historical distortions like “there was no Jewish temple” or “Palestinians are in the Bible and have a 7000 year history in the Bible” to blow up peace talks. It’s all part of strategy to get more foreign aid and legitimacy without actually making peace. The PLO strategy, and you can find readings about this, is to destroy Israel but they are willing to play the long game.
You’re conflating two things. One: the drive behind Hamas and Jihadist Muslims who perpetrate events like Oct 7. And two: the Israeli Defence intelligence for preventing these events. The cause behind Oct 7 has nothing to do with Israeli foreign policy. Of course Israel has illegal occupations in the West Bank but that is not what drives Hamas no matter what all the champagne socialists will you have to believe. Fundamentally it is a religious zealotry mindset that causes this. Netanyahus government being a circus didn’t cause it, but perhaps allowed it to happen . Oct 7 might have been prevented with a better government but Hamas would still want to do what they did on Oct 7.
@@joshyman221 It’s like bashing your head against a wall. Israeli haters think if there were no settlements there would be peace but it’s simply not the case. The PA is just more moderate than Hamas on the surface but their goal is not to live alongside a Jewish state either.
You need to have a Palestinian on and hear their point of view. Boy, have the Palestinians suffered ever since The Balfour declaration and especially post 1948 !!!!
Since the balfour declaration? WTF how does one swallow this koolaid that the british empire somehow allowing for jewish immigration while they were in power was oppressive to palestinians is amazing to me. How is this intolerant racist attitude considered righteous? Why is the arab nations start of the 48 war considered justified? Non of the suffering would have happened had they not outrageousely started that war. They could have accepted the partition plan. And no it was not "their land" being given away. It was thw british empire's. Previously ottoman empire. Thats the truth regardless of whatever any palestinian would say on the matter
Most suffering in the Islamic world is due to Moslems harming other Moslems. Similarly, most Palestinian suffering is caused by other Palestinians. It doesn't make sense to be angry at Jewish people for not agreeing to their own destruction at the hands of foes that view compromise as "normalization" and defeat.
@@RS-uh7rz I'm asking this as a genuine question. How much have you read and listened to on this subject, and how long have you sat with that information and thought it through?
I think a question that was raised by the ex president of the MDF (Doctors without borders)is very important and I hope Sam can make an episode about it " Do the Palestinians have the right of Self Defense the same way Israel does?"
It’s a poorly framed question. Palestine isn’t a state. Really those people should have been allowed and encouraged to resettle in other countries after the wars like tens of millions of others have. And let’s also keep in mind that the ‘Palestinians’ have been offered a state seven times in history and THEY rejected those offers. They also ensure that no one in their territories sells anything to a Jew or even allows them in. Imagine if Israel did that to its Arab citizens. The question should be “Can the Palestinians get on with their lives? Or are they committed to endless conflict with Israel?”
@@infidelheretic923 Follow up question: Palestinians are people who exist, when you kill their family and take their land/ home and they are not a state as you mentioned they are occupied territory according to the UN (Israel controls it's water, power and mobility) How can they defend themselves then? Or lying on the ground for airstrikes and tanks their only choice available? The part about 'Palestinians' being offered a state seven times is Israeli propaganda which lacks context and historically inaccurate ( read the terms of those "offerings" and imagine Israel was in Palestine's shoes and maybe then we'll discuss that.
Francesca Albanese : "Under Int'l Law,Israel has the right to PROTECT itself,not to WAGE WAR (i.e. self-defense under art 51 UNCharter) agst the people it has kept under belligerent occupation since'67. Gaza IS "occupied" given Israel's effective control,regardless of Hamas' existence. ICJ (2004)"
@@saulgood2366 Ofcourse they are. Actually by numbers of innocent civilian life loss , they lose much more than any country currently exists while still just hoping to live peacefully. What Israel endured in Oct the 7th , Palestinians endured for decades and still the lie that they would "kill all Jews" if they get the chance. Why is it hard to believe that Palestinians are human beings no different than you?
Can Sam offer a lower priced subscription for us second- and third-world citizens? I love his content BUT his pricing is exorbitant for many people living outside of the developed world, and sometimes it is exactly the rest of the world that would benefit the most by being able to listen to him. Just asking for freebies all the time is convoluted. Can you please upvote this or somehow make it known to him? Thank you.
I can afford his subscription and for a couple of years was a paying subscriber, but his subscription fee is too expensive for what it is. I cannot justify it. And since I can afford to pay, I don't feel that I should get it for free. Thing is, Sam has a few great podcasts, but there are a whole bunch that don't interest me. I'm guessing there are many who feel as I do.
You can get his subscription for free. Just go to his website and find the information about it. I did it and it was great. But as it is said here, not everything is interesting for people outside of US..
Do people even read? I said I don't want the limited "Free" subscriptions anymore, it's bothersome, it requires you to email them etc. I've already had that I want to PAY. He's just more expensive than Spotify, where I can listen to hundreds of podcasts. He charges the same price as the Disney+ subscription. I want a lower price, like $2.99-$4.99/mo for example. Not $9.99/mo.
33:09 The elephant in the room that doesn’t get discussed is the one state solution. Ask yourself : why is the one state solution not even mentioned? Over 10% of Israeli citizens are now living in the West Bank. Why not give all the people living in the West Bank a pathway to Israeli citizenship?
@@magicupholsterysunil3711 'new' it was same thing 30 years ago. I grew up in LA in the 80s and remember how shallow naive and selfish people became in the 90s. What you are seeing now is just an extension of that. Glad I moved permanently to Spain back in 98. I hear California is a total shit hole nowadays.
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
Yuval just can't get himself to honestly assess the problem with our institutions. Why can't we just soberly note the obvious? The most radical part of the left seems to have embraced a philosophy that is dangerous in it's focus almost solely on power dynamics. While it may not be a widespread philosophy among the population at large, it has become the driving force of several institutions, which have thus become politicized. Accordingly, trust in said institutions is decaying. The out of power Right, is simply pointing and railing against such abuses within the institutions. The left responds by claiming the Right is therefore the threat, because their complaints are stoking greater distrust in the institutions.
Sam harris, thank you for the meditation app I learnt a lot. I write this note to say thank you for the voice of reason, common sense and kindness you offer up and send out weekly. If our world was a pot of water left on the stove to boil, that pot is skittering all over the range and could and likely sadly will tip over and burn us all. I hope not but the quickest glance at world news is not comforting not one bit. Thank you Sam harris and please don’t let those Trigonometry Stan and Ollie use their school master tone on you again, your work and insights are from a different deeper realm of learning. Listening to them in that…now listen to me Sam….tone take pops at you is like me lecturing a Llama on how to meditate……Your work is vital to me and many others we both learn and are comforted by your voice in this Babel of bitterness and anger that is the internet….To quote Yeats….the centre will not hold…the best lack all conviction and the worst are full of passionate intensity. You are of the best and have not lost a breath to a lie……Thank you
52:40 'You also have to account for the fuel given to that religious fanaticism by the Western governments. Most countries didn't have those fanatics in government until the US helped them in order to weaken the secular resistances to imperialism, you can listen to your own words at 18:00 that Nentanyahu supported the fanatics to weaken the PLO'
Sam have you invited Norman Finkelstein into your podcast? He has been involved with this for decades and could give you a better perspective on what is happening in Gaza and why.
Sam is have a request, I wish your podcasts had video capture as it makes it more engaging. It’s probably a pain to do that but I think it would be meaningful.
We can all expect a sad and horrible mess in the short term. Practically, we need to figure out who might broker peace in the mid term, which probably means a dethroned Hamas (they will never likely disappear) and Netanyahu gone too. It’s not just possible to stand with Israeli and Palestinian people, it’s necessary and basic humanism. The flame war is dumb as fk and helps no one. It would be healthy to acknowledge that the creation of the state was one of many flawed British projects at the time, though the principle is ok, the application has been less so. Northern Ireland, Indian partition, the creation of Saudi and plenty more…Israelis and Palestinians aren’t behind this stuff. Everyone is a victim and there are also genocidalists aplenty to go round. Any apologist for Hamas in the left is beyond stupid. Anyone who basically backs Israel right or wrong ain’t far behind. How many people from the many peace projects have had air time? none by my count. New and old media ain’t really interested in peace.
U.A.E might be able to bring a life affirming culture to Gaza A culture that will value all peoples and has as it goal to work together for a better tomorrow
@@samuelgoldring9691 The state security apparatus in the UAE has been accused of countless human rights abuses, including forced disappearance, arbitrary arrests and torture. The annual Freedom House report on Freedom in the World has listed the United Arab Emirates as "Not Free" every year since 1999. The UAE's media is annually classified as "not free" in the Freedom of the Press report by Freedom House. The UAE ranks poorly in the annual Press Freedom Index by Reporters without Borders.
Thank you for making this amazing project it looks like philosphers, political scientists and intellectuals may have a role to play in making peace sooner than expected with social media becoming a disinformation war. It seems it's the only way to understand what's really happening nowadays..
Thought provoking???? In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
The Palestinians have rejected every opportunity for a state. The reason many on the right in Israel is against a Palestinian state is because they don't want a independent terrorist state right on top of Israel. Yuval is a far left liar.
You are also appreciated, AJ! I admire your perseverence and what it gave rise to: one of the best TH-cam channels with a warm, intellingent host and a funny fish who voices everything that would seem crazy for us, rational people to say 😊. Your show makes me remember me the times when there was actually something good to watch on tv and you would wait for your favourite show every week and enjoy it like the special time that it was. 😊 Anyway, just wanted to thank you and your awesome team for always making my Fridays better! Stay safe! 😊
I am shocked that most Israelis are not European but ethnically middle eastern; themselves expelled from neighboring countries after the creation of the Israeli state. What’s happening now is truly cousins killing cousins. We are all family, the human race.
Most of them left voluntarily and don’t want to go back due to the higher standards of living, and the privilege of being jewish in israel. I dont know of any Arab country that has a law preventing Jews from going back.
Sam, I have read (listened) all of your book of which Waking Up was best. Please cover Russia's brutal invasion on Ukraine, please! Btw. read (listened) Yuval's books too, Sapiens, Deus and 21 lessons.... they were great, they are masterpieces.
brutal but much needed remember that. a snake does not bite you unless you f u c k with it, nor does a bull back-kick you unless you lift the tail and squeeze the balls.
@viharm2960 and your analogies suck. Snakes will for sure bite people even if they aren't messed with. Kinda like Russia did with Ukraine... on second thought, your analogy is accurate.
Starting to question if Sam’s comment section is real. For a good year or two there was a ton of dissent, but now it’s just universal gushing over sam’s brilliance. Seems fishy
I'm a fan of both Sam and Yuval, and enjoyed listening to their conversation, but I feel that at one point Yuval's bias against BB was showing; the judicial reform in Israel had/has as much supporters as it has protestors, and the supporters truly believe that the reform is the most democratic thing to do, as without it they feel the minority (judicial system) has power over the majority (voters). Yuval's opinions on the subject are very popular in the public, but the opposition is just as popular, and both sides are convinced they're the true champions of democracy.
Sam's is a Neo-Liberal who will critize trump all the time because he doesnt like his persona. But is soft on Netanyahu's Terrorstate which is waay worse. Its apparent to me now that Sam just doesnt view Arabs as equals.
Genocide not mentioned because the population of Gaza has increased fourfold since 1948. Genocide is murdering 6million in WW2 and thereby reducing the worldwide Jewish population by 33%. There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world and only 15 million Jews . The Muslims have plenty of people and land ( 55 countries) The land of Israel is the size of a speck look at a world map
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
Very interesting al aqua thought experiment at the end there. Really Thought Harris’s overemphasis on jihad is a weak position in the current conflict as Hamas is different to other jihadi orgs. I’d the Palestinians have no right to political agitation and violent agitation then who does? The state of affairs for them in the current status quo is bad and many Israelis even recognise that. Yet that analogy about blowing up al aqua mosque and the potential Ramifications of it over religious symbology is actually a great analogy. Don’t pretend like There is not a similar example on the Jewish side though.
Thank you for this episode. I think the paywall needs to be removed on this so the full contents can be shared as widely as possible. Yuval brings up some really key points at the end about the responsibilities of the intellectual elite in moments like this and how they are falling short, and reiterates the more balanced perspective that must be adopted for further catastrophes to be avoided. This message needs to be heard.
Good point. This is a serious PSA
I think you just convinced me to subscribe. Edit- I just realized why I haven’t….that really is pretty steep, and I’m a guy who has like 15 subscriptions to various services.
@@Hexadeci Especially since output has slowed.
Sam is of the mindset that he values his contribution so much he wants his prices to reflect that self importance.
@@hemanabanana6906idk what's wrong with getting paid for your work. He for sure isn't paid off by advertisers.
These should be released in full. Episodes that you believe “actually” need to be heard. I mean, you know you’re a smart dude and do “make sense” and this logic needs to be released to the world. A topic like this is a good example of what needs to be heard. If you want to continue making a difference (you will either way) release then in full… I guarantee it will require people to think about what and why they believe what they say. We need that today lol. Good job Sam as always!
I agree. But he is also making a living. I believe he will release the full podcast on TH-cam in the near future because , like you said, it really is too important to just be heard by a select few.
@@lilithskybluesubscribers can now share the full episode to anyone they like
subs are free if you ask
@kietapukisas132 nice bit of subtle antisemitism there...
@@kietapukisas132 you muppet
This one really should be released in full without a paywall..Yuval and you both raise solid points from different perspectives, and this exchange truly needs to be heard across the world in times like these.
what different perspectives? i only heard a colonialist, racist, genocidal one.
@@haithemelzabri it seems as though the comments section here overwhelmingly disagrees with your opinion. Care to specify what parts of the exchange felt those particular ways to you?
@@daviday87 you said "different perspectives"? was there a different perspective than a pro-israel one?
@@daviday87 what i heard from harari was that israel must defeat the palestinian resistance. which essentially means allowing genocide.
@@haithemelzabri interesting -- where exactly in the podcast did you hear that? Harari dedicates the first 15 minutes of the podcast to calling out Netanyahu and the illegal behaviour of the extremists in his government...Harris & Harari provided pro-peace and anti-extremism perspectives that agreed for a need to remove Netanyahu & the populist extremists in his cabinet "who put his personal interests before the national interests", along with removing Hamas, in order for moderate Palestinian & Israeli voices to work together towards peace.
Religious extremism (both messianic extremism and jihadi extremism) are spoken about in this podcast, which is different than righteous resistance, and neither voice on this podcast advocated for genocide, no matter how horrendous the realities of wars are.
I don't know how you got to your conclusions when Harari - among other poignant insights - says: "If we want to have some chance of peace in the future, we have to disarm Hamas. Of course, simultaneously, we also have to give the Palestinians a different future to give them the possibility that they can see that if they choose a different path they could live dignified lives in their homeland...And this should be Israel's warning, I think, to go back to the Saudi peace treaty and to restart the peace process with the Palestinians..."
"Now is the ground attack in the way it is conducted right now, is this the ideal way to disarm Hamas? I just don't know, that is beyond my expertise, but without some kind of military measures, obviously Hamas is not going to disarm voluntarily..."
"From a broader perspective, in most ethnic conflicts around the world, both sides tend to be victims and perpetrators at the same time. This is a very simple and banal fact, that for some reason most people seem incapable of grasping...So many people seem to refuse this simple fact of history, and think in binary terms, that one side must be 100% evil and one side must be 100% pure and just, and we just need to pick a side and this of course links to these fantasies of perfect & absolute justice, which are - historically - always destructive."
Sam, as an Israeli I can tell you that Yuval represents the secular leftist view of the situation. They are the rulling minority. Most of the Israelis tell a different story, which you don't hear it. It creates confirmation bias. Please talk to Amir Avivi, Gershon Hacohen, Mordechai Kedar, Caroline Glick, Ran Baratz, Gadi Taub and others.
Yeah what are the odds? Harari's views will resonate with those of Harris himself. Confirmation bias is a thing you know.
Completely agree - Natanyahu was voted in by a public who knew his policies - this interview was so biased I had to turn it off half way through
@@RivkakvirMost Israeli's want Netanyahu out.
@@Reel___ so they can vote him out at the next elections - unlike Hamas in Gaza
@@Reel___ The next election will decide - nothing to sweat about. Israel has elections so all is good .... now let's focus on Hamas who don't hold elections.
Sam, you never cease to amaze me with your intelligence and excellent guests. This podcast was unbelievably good and thought-provoking. I’m glad I got to hear the entire discussion. I agree that, on this particular episode, perhaps the paywall could be removed. It’s up to you, of course, but your and Yuval’s entire discussion should be heard by everyone.
I was thinking the same thing. The parallels between the Israeli government and what a good portion of the US population wants to bring back are fairly obvious and I would HOPE might bring some people to see the risks to democracy and in turn the world order.
You can now share links of the full episodes where anyone can access
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@@ricardoalvarado1109 my channel is 10 years old and I have a very authentic posting history. The op’s channel is 16 years old and he has a posting history. The other commenter’s channel is 12 years old. You just can’t believe what you’re seeing.
@@ricardoalvarado1109Is Sam paying these Bots? Or is it the enlightenment bots? Who do you think these bots are?
Nothing is better for my mental health than listening to TRULY smart and ethical people talk. It’s like a massage for my brain, I can relax and my brain never freezes in an attempt to make sense of what was said or to unpack which incentives are behind it.
47:53 “the curse of history is the attempt to correct the past”
powerful quote
This really is how the future became so bleak*. We reconstructed our present on the foundation of a handful of dreary historical events. slavery, colonialism, and the holocaust became the focal points guiding the future of Americans - no wonder things have declined so precipitously.
@@EdwardsComment i blame “boomers” n the stoopid divisive stories they tell their kids…looks like they have to die out 1st b4 things can get better, tho then there r “zoomers” who basically r already robots/slaves. everything in cycles i guess.
That is the statement of an extremely depressed person. History is not a curse.
@@TimothyDeSomerville History has many facets, a burden can be one of them.
@@TimothyDeSomerville Saying that the attempt to correct the past is the curse of history is not the same thing as calling history a curse. 😒
32:45 - It's a point that always comes to mind, even though it's a kind of "whataboutism" argument. All my Israeli family members originated from Arab nations. They had no interest in leaving their home, which they had lived in for generations, but had no choice but to leave and retreat to Israel. And now they are called "occupiers." They're refugees, forced from their homes, and now they're living and supporting a country that let them in.
That is precisely the reason why Israel is so important.
When push comes to shove people haven’t stood up for Jews. So they need a state and a safe haven of their own.
The “Palestinians” can damn well find new homes among their Arab neighbors. But the Arabs won’t let them only because of Israel.
@@infidelheretic923 I think your comment is racist and anti-semitic since Arabs are Semitic.
@@infidelheretic923That’s exactly right! What I don’t agree with, however, is Netanyahu being blamed. As much as I respect Professor Harari, I disagree with his views about Netanyahu and Trump.
@@kimberlywallace6148
I have mixed feelings about both of them.
Trump is a corrupt wannabe dictator who ought to be in prison. But I’m fine with his decision to move americas embassy to Jerusalem.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
This is the point the Pro-Palestine lobby never seem to grasp. Their historical context doesn't extend beyond the last 100 years.
In this interview Yuval defined peace as something which doesn't give absolute justice to anybody but gives a better future for everybody. Those are truly wise words, that's the best definition of peace.
This is the most informative, enlightened and enlightening discussion I have heard on this awful issue - and I’ve listened to a fair few in the last weeks. Very valuable contribution to public understanding, I think
It would be great to see you interview "Son of Hamas" Mosab Hassan Yousef. His speech at UN was inspiring.
I actually sent Sam a mail with this suggestion a couple of weeks ago
"To be a scientist is to be naive. We are so focused on our search for truth, we fail to consider how few actually want us to find it. But it is always there, whether we see it or not, whether we choose to or not. The truth doesn't care about our needs or wants. It doesn't care about our governments, our ideologies, our religions. It will lie in wait for all time. And this, at last, is the gift of Chernobyl. Where I once would fear the cost of truth, now I only ask: "What is the cost of lies?"
Valery Legasov
Thanks for that. Wish I had said it.
Slight difference between the Ukraines/Lithuanians and Hamas is that the former do not have a written declaration for the total eradication of the Poles. And as for returning lost lands, the results are there for the reading regarding Israel and her neighbours since approximately 1947. Sometimes one must learn from the past to prevent the repeat of same.
This latest podcast of Sam is yet another unbelievably good and thought provoking . Mr.Yuval brings up some really key points and historical perspectives of the current situation . Appreciate his balanced perspective for further catastrophes to be avoided .This entire discussion must be heard by everyone.
For the sake of world peace please release the entire episode. Sam, this will be one of your best contributions to the world.
Great episode. Don’t always agree with Yuval, but excellent listen nonetheless. Thank you.
On what don’t you agree
Great episode. I wanted to subscribe to listen to the whole conversation but I’m not doing the whole year. Is there a way to sub for a month or purchase an episode?
Email and say you cannot afford a subscription. You will get a year for free.
How wonderful to follow an INTELLIGENT exposé and discussion. I am so fed up with the constant emotionally dramatic diatribe of wokeism. Thank you Mr. Harris. I learned a lot more about the complexity of the situation and particularly about the internal politics, leading up to the current chaos. (I am subscribed BTW). I am slowly building my list of people I can follow on You Tube, people who are working from an intelligent, where is the truth, basis. It almost goes without saying that you are on my list. Thank you again. Not only are your podcasts "a breath of fresh air", they are a necessity. Please continue.
Yuval the example of relations between Poland and Ukraine is the best. As I Pole, I never expected that despite the genocide in Volhynia, about 60,000 Poles died , Poles and Ukrainians would be friends in the future. Today, about 1 million refugees from Ukraine are in Poland. These are well-educated people who work in Poland to earn their living. I have many friends among them. I hope that they feel at home in Poland and that after the war they will be able to safely return home to Ukraine or stay in Poland. 🇵🇱❤🇺🇦
I wish that the Israeli and Palestinian nations will also become friends🇵🇸❤🇮🇱
keep on wishing, but you forget that these peoples, their religions and what it stand for are not compatible, i am refering to Israel and the Palastinians - the polish goverment was wise enough, after seeing whats happening in western countries, like France, GB, Belgium and Germany, not to let hundreds of thousands muslims come to poland.....think of the terrible attacks in Paris, London, Bruxells or Berlin.....experience Berlin Kreuzberg, Wedding or Neukölln or the outskirts of Paris......
They were only allowed because they were white 😂
Yuval is not mainstream Israeli opinion. As he's discussing internal Israeli politics he could at least be honest about that
he is, he says israel is fascist and pro apartheid and he is not 🤷🏻♂️
The Palestinians have rejected every opportunity for a state. The reason many on the right in Israel is against a Palestinian state is because they don't want a independent terrorist state right on top of Israel. Yuval is a far left liar.
@@TheMntnGHe doesn't say those things.
@@RS-uh7rz
oh he does, just not here. but I mean, other sources exist too. even yuvals own channel.
With how many isralies have you speak ?
This episode is actually discuss some very popular ideas in israel
Do you know how many israelis want two state soultion?
do you know how many activist are in israel ?
do you know how many peace deal palstine refused from 37,47,2001,2008?
stop spread lies & hate ? we had Enough .
Wonderful podcast. Thank you Sam and Yuval🙏🏻 The situation is dire and far more complex than I realized.
Two of the bests of our time!
I love both Sam Harris and Yuval Noah Harari, but what a potent combination the two of them are together! Sam, thank you so much for asking intelligent and meaningful questions that helped further our understanding.
Israeli here. Thanks for the depth and breadth. Good and bad.
perhaps the best harris episode of all time... literally felt like verbal choreography without an extra or misplaced word... kudos to em both
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
So you are describing a script?
Yuval Noah Harari - Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
This conversation, like the last one on this topic, is very elucidating. It is clear that Hamas needs to end in order for Muslims and Jews to find peace.
Just as the IRA needed to end for the Irish and British to find peace. It really is that simple, isn't it?
@@F--B I believe so. There are certain parties that do everything to impede progress and any chance of reconciliation. They also use the power of belief as a weapon besides emphasising past grievances. Such nefarious agents, in search of power, do not tolerate opposition let alone religious reform towards civility that would force them to give up aggression and prejudice.
Muhammad's greatest invention was Jihad.
"Fighting is prescribed for you'' Koran 2: 216
“Slay them wherever you find them'' Koran 4: 89
“Fight the idolators utterly'' Koran 9: 36
@@annjames1837 It is a death cult whose growing popularity should be alarming.
The first thing I want to say to you, Sam Harris, and to you Yuval Noah Harari, is that I believe you have both made the world a better place. You both speak your minds and your thoughts come often resonate from your hearts and pass through your souls to us on many, many issues that perplex modern society. The second thing I want to offer is my condolences to Yuval and his family and friends who have lost loved ones, friends, and fellow Israelis on the 7 October attacks. To quote Roosevelt: a day that will go down in infamy and never fade from the conscience of Israelis and the Jewish people and the world community. If I may, here is my opinion on what has to be done to change some things in the region. Yuval has stated that the Arab nations refuse to accept Israel as a sovereign state and this must change. This shows to me that the Arab mindset is set in concrete and nothing good will come of continuing with this refusal to accept Israel's right to exist. Next: Gaza can and never will be trusted by Israeli's living on the border with Gaza or even deep into Israel and this is where I have an idea how to kill two dilemmas with two beautiful words: wildlife sanctuary. Yes; that's right: you hear me correctly. Gaza must be transformed from the blood-soaked battleground of warring factions and a population of people living in deplorable conditions to a nature reserve for saving endangered species of plant, animal and aquatic life. This could become the Galapagos of the middle east and bring in more tourists than the pyramids. Israelis, Egyptians, Palestinians and all neighboring states could put their differences behind them and work together to save the many, many species on the verge of extinction. Our progeny would echo heartfelt thanks to us for sending them a wildlife reserve with faun and fauna brought back from extinction. This is an example of what could be accomplished: there are only 6 black tigers known to exist, for example. We could save this species by allowing them to reproduce in a protected nature reserve! The key to this dream of mine of course comes with a caveat many will say is more like a noose: a proper homeland for the Palestinians must be the cherry on the cake and this is of course where the good ship I am sailing on runs aground. Because we are going to need to re-think and re-draw some boundaries and give up some land so that the Palestinians can all live proudly on enough land to house their entire population. To recap: an ecological buffer zone must be created by evacuating Palestinians from Gaza which has been called an open prison to their own country, a patch of land that no one can claim but them and Gaza must be transformed into an oasis of the middle east cum Galapagos that would allow the deep wounds to heal that both the Israelis and the Palestinians bear from a conflict whose root cause is basically a border dispute that can only be resolved by taking dramatic steps and perhaps even using harsh methods to achieve an everlasting peace in the region. Arabs will be willing to accept Israel as a sovereign state once they see their Palestinian brothers and sisters living on their own in peace. All Arab nations and Israelis must understand that the road to peace is by listening to each other as neighbors first and use nature reserves to be buffer zones on contested lands because no one will attack a wildlife sanctuary. This Gaza war must and can be resolved with words and logic and wisdom.
Long but very well written.
I like your idea but unfortunately it's a pipe dream (I mean no disrespect). Also, you cannot reason (use logic) with extreme ideology on both sides, especially if it's religion based.
Interesting view but where do you suggest the Gazans should live?
@@OtagesBringthemhome_NOWGGGGGGGGGGreat to hear from you. It's clearly the million-dollar question and once it has been answered, there will certainly be a change in the mindset of all concerned. What I see as the only solution is that all Palestinians must have their own stretch of land and that's where the greater Arab Community comes in. There is silence coming from the Arab nations around the Gaza war and no one is offering a helping hand. This is where the UN comes in why Guterres is missing the target completely by staying in the background. What should be is that all business in the UN takes a backseat to the Gaza war and that a Palestinian state is redrawn from existing boundaries. This sounds daft coming from where we stand today, but there has to be some pain before we make any gain. We need someone to open the discussion about carving out enough land for a proper country for these poor people who are living atrociously and inhumanely while others look on as if it were a circus show.
@@tekannon7803 Existing boundries without the gaza strip and thereby moving a group of people, who wants to annihialate Israel and all Jews, even closer to Israeli's ?
Move them all of them to the West Bank would be suicide. Giving up more of Israel's own land would be suicide too.
Do do you have any other and better suggestions?
Keep in mind that Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon don't want more Palestinians due to them having very bad experiences with them in the past themselves.
I appreciate Yuvals insights, but Sam Harris continually side steps the accountability of Israel for Palestinian casualties, by fully blaming Hamas.
He's a fool
Some sense spoken by Harari, however, some of the points were glossed over; Harris showed his real colours at the end by painting the Moslem world as 'other', by continually referring to Moslems as "they" and painting non-christian countries as the only perpetrators of violence in the world. There was no reference at all to the Iraq war, as a factor. Not enough background to the conflict. No reference to the arms trade as a factor. Quite shoddy in my opinion.
The complaint isn't that some people are more elite than others; it's in denying that they ever govern in accordance with their own self interests and priorities, or even suffer from myopias induced by the cliques with which they travel. The particular way that the elite is choosing to govern must also be a legitimate subject of potential criticism -- in a democracy. People are not simply obliged to pay the traditional deference accorded to nobles.
Yeah, that bit in the podcast told me all I need to know about Yuval.
Yuval was simply saying that elites were needed for their competence in running Israel's most important institutions, which are now failing. Sure, criticize the elites all you want, but a democracy requires a competently administered government.
@randyevermore9323 competence, it seems isn't a primary concern in this modern world. Diversity, equity, and inclusion is the goal, which flys in the face of a meritocratic society.
@@wayneshore4136 "Diversity, equity, and inclusion is the goal . . ." Yuval's point, though, was that competence in Israel had been eliminated due to "deep state" conspiracy nonsense, just as in the U.S.
Yuval’s comment about the fantasy of absolute justice and it’s destructiveness is just *chef’s kiss*-“Only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes”
Historians can be politically naive sometimes. Yuval said that Hamas did this because it wanted to stop a peace treaty between Saudis and Israelis. He might be right but I need to remind you that Arab governments don’t represent public opinion. Arab leaders are a bunch of authoritarians who are interested solely in staying in power. They were doing this for their own sake not for the sake of peace in the regions. UAE, Bahrain, Morocco and before that Jordan and Egypt signed peace treatments with the Israelis. How did that reflect on the ground for Palestinians?
plus he ignores the part of Gaza being concentration camp a good reason for Hamas to strike back and not wanting a Peace that since 1967 has not been respected by the Israeli side.
In one of the first videos Sam released after the Hamas attack he finished by saying "There is no moral equivalence". I didn't quite understand what he meant. Now I've seen the IDF do their thing, I see it clearly.
What do you mean? I’m learning about this
Nice sarcasm.
It's almost laughable to imagine Sam actually inviting a Palestinian onto his podcast. This clearly indicates his exceptional capacity for rational thought.
Hahahaha true, they might not be able to do the moral arithmetic required, to engage in smugness at the harris level.
Speaking as a non-Jewish American who has been through the war in israel for 7 weeks until being able to leave for Norway, I completely agree with Yuval's observations and insights. I went there to help take hospice care of an elderly woman a week before the attacks happened. I have no national connection to Israel, but the severity of the terror attacks hit every bone in my body. I saw videos from first responders and terrorist body cams, nothing could explain what that was.. it will take a lifetime to find the words. Thank you guys for talking so succinctly about this.
Hey, hope you made it safely back home. I appreciate your perspective, it is hard to explain the pain to those who haven't been through it.
Love from Israel ❤
I’m a simple man. I see a conversation between Sam & Yuval, and I’m happy.
You are a simple man. And soon you’ll own nothing and be happy.
@@Mac-ku3xuyou sound like a fun person to be around.
@@Mac-ku3xuOwning things doesn't lead to happiness.
@@Mac-ku3xu I see the subtle reference to WEF agenda given that Harrari is a part of it. Smoooth operator
@@aaronpannell6401 And neither does living in the metaverse pumped full of anti-depressants.
I wish I could just subscribe to TH-cam and get full episodes but please keep up the good work Sam enjoy even half episodes with your guests frequently
The result of 14 years? I don't think so - this has been decades in the making. What you sow is what you reap and you sowed the seeds decades ago!
What are you talking about?
Can't you understand a question and 2 sentences? @@Agtsmirnoff
@@Cloud-fp2mb IF you're going to ask a question, time stamp the part of the video you are referring to. 14 years of WHAT?
What an excellent conversation. It cannot be otherwise considering the two brilliant minds chatting.
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
It's the first time I've heard a story like this from the scene. It was useful to familiarize myself with the details of the situation so that I could create a picture of everything. I'm from Europe and there was a war here and we came to peace, of course, with some compromise. Life without peace is not worth living.
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
Being from Finland I pay so much respect for Harari's and Harris' views on Netanyahu who's corrupted, he became corrupted by time, by power.
It's been crystal clear just who sweet Bibi is since prime minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated 28 years ago...
As a very right wing Israeli, i agree with you.
Yuval called him a dictator lol. He’s unhinged.
All he wanted was to limit the power of unelected judges who could strike down any law that democratically elected officials passed.
He said it himself. Israel doesn’t have a constitution. In America, the Supreme Court looks to the constitution. Where do the Israeli judges look? Nowhere? They look in their own hearts and conscience, which is not how a judge is suppose to act. A judge looks at a situation and determines whether it violates the law as it is written. But if there is no law written they are able to act purely on their own judgement. They are unelected and shouldn’t have as much power as they do. Nobody elected them. And the system by which they are appointed is totally bizarre.
@@genzcurmudgeon8037exactly, he blames everything on Netanyahu who is democratically elected, not the judges
“we have people who simply do not care about the deaths of noncombatants”
A wisely reasoned, knowledgeable discussion. Thank you.
I'd love to see Sam live one day as a Palestinian in the west bank and see how his view of this situation changes.
YES & YES!!
Thank you for sharing this discussion. It is vital in a time where millions of people across the world are cheering for an “intifada”, tearing down posters of the kidnapped, and grossly misusing terms like “genocide” and “apartheid”
I would love if you come to Palestine and live one day there so you can decide urself if it's apartheid or not
The notions of apartheid isnt some SJW term. Its a term employed by Israeli leaders.
"More and more Palestinians are uninterested in a negotiated, two-state solution, because they want to change the essence of the conflict from an Algerian paradigm to a South African one. From a struggle against 'occupation,' in their parlance, to a struggle for one-man-one-vote." - Ehud Olmert
Yes! I'm very happy with this episode. Finally more nuance. You've been hardlining the purely religious aspect of this conflict for way too long, good to see you widening the discussion. You were to focused on value-judging how the two sides justified their actions rather than their actions for what they really were.
Thank you Sam. 🙏
The Palestinians have rejected every opportunity for a state. The reason many on the right in Israel is against a Palestinian state is because they don't want a independent terrorist state right on top of Israel. Yuval is a far left liar. He's not mainstream opinion in Israel
His last episode was actually so dumb and Eric Levitz did a great response in the NY mag to it just the other day. I now see the problem of focusing too much on the religion aspect, just looks like a lame deflect to not concede anything politically. That being said, definitely a religious aspect to this fighting but if the Palestinians don’t have a reason to be politically pissed then who does?
@@ptadisbander7959 Yeah last one “made” no “sense”. Honestly when it comes to issues like these, I think you’re better off reading books. These public intellectuals don’t know anything more than we do. It’s not like they’re on location or have great sources. They just read a bunch of news and Twitter and turn on a microphone.
I feel like the reason he goes so hard into the religious aspect of it rather than the political is because that seems to be the blind spot of so many others in the secular west where the narrative tends to be that its always entirely politically motivated and we need look no further than that.
@@joebob-p3z Yeah, it becomes a distortion though if you start to view everything through that lens. I think that’s what Harris is doing, and it doesn’t match up to reality. If the Islamic/Jihadi worldview was so popular, why would they have to resort to terroristic tactics? And why would an Islamic country like Saudi Arabia host huge sporting events and invite thousands of “infidels” to enjoy them? The reality is just way more complex than he makes it out to be.
“The curse of history is to try to correct the past.” Move forward.
Sam is a champion of clarity and common sense. Everyone should hear this.
You've gotta get lots of hatred over that avatar. Not everybody realizes that Marx wasn't even Lenin, let alone Stalin or Pol Pot.
One man’s clarity is another’s clutter
You are a champion among followers. Everyone knows what you think before you speak and that's why they cheer. Don't worry, don't fret, you are very much in the majority. Live for the likes. You have no free will. Eat it!
Excellent conversation, Sam and Yuval! I am deeply encouraged that thinkers like you two are around today, providing some sense of stability amidst the general chaos.
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
You should start using ads instead of subscriptions; i believe most people wouldnt mind the ads, especially from good companies with quality products.
This way you would be able to reach more people; and maybe change their points of view.
Thanks for the great talk.
I think he doesn’t do adds because it could compromise his objectivity or at least lead to that appearance. Also he wants to be uncancleable
I fucking hate ads
He has discussed this topic a few times. And as others have commented, he wants to be completly independent of advertisers and censoring, which is why developed his own podcasting platform.
Intelligent discussion with one exception. I am alarmed at the apparent blind spot regarding institutional loss of trust and possible collapse. I think it is fine for Yuval and Sam to share a bit of a left leaning bias, but when diagnosing the massive issue of institutional degradation, I think we need to be as unbiased as possible. I think Yuval's examination of the perils this poses are brilliant and spot on. But it's puzzling that the diagnosis seems to point exclusively to Trump and Elon - i.e., it's a problem on the right. And Yuval pointed to the "risk" of someone not turning over power - a bit of a red herring. To his credit Sam pushed back a bit on Universities. I agree that it is problematic for Trump or anyone on the right to lean into the instituional decay in a way that makes people give up on the institutions. While it may make the problem worse, that is NOT the source of the problem, it is just an effort to amplify the reponse to the problem.
The threat is coming from WITHIN the institutions. I don't think anyone is claiming there is a right wing takeover of virtually any of our institutions - quite the opposite. The threat is that with the left dominating these institutions, they seem to have fallen to the temptation of utilizing those institutions for political gain. I understand the temptation, but it is predictably destructive, because of course a huge portion of the public now distrusts media, for instance, because there is a clear left leaning bias. Ditto for academia, etc. And to Yuval's point, there is no check of academia by the media, because they both share the same bias.
Yuval points out the source of decay seems to come by reductively viewing pursuits as a pursuit of power, rather than pursuit of truth. Agreed. But isn't that literally the core tenet of post-modern and woke philosophy??? The decay of the institutions we are seeing is purposely being caused by a philosophy that seems to have captured them. But Yuval points to Trump as a shining example of this?
Why can't we just soberly note the obvious? The most radical part of the left seems to have embraced a philosophy that is dangerous in it's focus almost solely on power dynamics. While it may not be a widespread philosophy among the population at large, it has become the driving force of several institutions, which have thus become politicized. Accordingly, trust in said institutions is decaying. The out of power Right, is simply pointing and railing against such abuses within the institutions. The left responds by claiming the Right is therefore the threat, because their complaints are stoking greater distrust in the institutions.
The solution does not rest with silencing the complaints, and leaving the institutions to nonetheless decay under the current philosophy.
Thank you Sam , care ftom people, who live in other countries really important!
30:06 his analysis of the Israeli Arab dispute is just brilliant
I’m an Israeli who considers herself a left-winged liberal, and 100% agree with Yuval’s point of view. I wish we had more honest, open-minded, intelligent, brave leaders in Israel who could take us in the direction Yuval was outlining.
I’m also a subscriber of the podcast so I got to hear this episode in full and of course agree with the many comments here suggesting the paywall for this one should be removed.
Well done, excellent conversation. Keep up the good work, Sam and Yuval.
You can't be left wing and a colonizer
There is no two state solution! Wake up ! The Arabs have been offered over and over and refused
When all the episodes were free in whole, I supported Sam on patreon. When they went paywalled I chose not to continue supporting him because what I was paying for on patreon was supporting getting his conversations spread to the widest possible audience. I'll gladly donate to support projects which I think are good for wider society, I'll buy myself books if I'm just paying for my own education.
I am really having hard time to grasp the ignorance of Sam Harris about the difference between the muslim people and the fundamentalist islam. He is openly suggesting lets strat a religious war than after the muslims suffer enough we will find a way to deal with them. As an atheist I am really having difficulty to understand the logic in that.
I feel sorry for ppl like you who become atheists listening to these new atheists morons. Most of these are atheists with Jewish backgrounds who defend barbarism of Talmud but attack every other religion. Rn Christianity is almost dead so now their target is Islam.
By far the most sane commentary on and discussion of this abhorrent mess that I've come across.
As an Israeli, Yuval has a very specific point of view on the government and why what happened happened.
I wouldn’t take any word as stone from here because the Israeli dynamic his much more complex than that.
Fair criticism.
what do you think lead up to the attack. That day isnt the beginning point of this conflict. Its years of an occupied population finally making a big move. Is that something we can agree on?
For all practical purposes, it started on October 7th. Every war has history leading up to it.
@@collectYaNeck The fact that this attack is being framed as a big move for an "occupied" population is false imo. For one, HAMAS has been committing acts of terror on Israel since they took over. Bombing, kidnappings and straight up attacks. I can agree that this was their biggest attack, but their focus has never changed from day one. That is to wipe Israel off the map..."from the river to the sea". On top of that, it widely accepted that HAMAS is not representative of the Palestinians, right? So how can this attack be representative of an "occupied" population making a big move? It is a terrorist organization that committed a major terrorist attack to continue it pursuit of its doctrine, which is wiping Israel, and Jews off the face of the earth. They're using the Palestinians as a human shield to get this done.
@@collectYaNeckno. If you don’t understand how Iran made this against Saudi Arabia, you actually see nothing.
And there are plenty of examples of disputed lands where people don’t act as violently as Hamas. This is just called radical islam and fanaticism.
It’s unfortunate that there’s no monthly subscription option that can be cancelled if you don’t want to continue - or a one month trial. Having to make a year commitment up front seems unreasonable and limits the audience. I voluntarily pay for a number of sub stacks - most of which don’t distinguish between paid and unpaid. Great episode. Not prepared to pay for a year just to hear the rest.
“Useless eater” checking in for Yuval’s podcast
Gabriel eating uselessly as always.
@@swaggitypigfig8413
“nom nom nom”
*hear my brain stretching as I meditate and eat vegan bugs*
Thank you bringing voices of reason to the world, Sam.
Bro debate someone who disagrees with you
This is podcast not debate
Go watch someone you agree with, if it bothers you so much.
No one is forcing you to be here.
then he would have to confront facts like all the investigations showing Israel uses human shields, or that his thought experiment is falsified
is that someone else endorsing ethnic cleansing based on empirically false claims?@@kadourimdou43
ok bot
Much appreciated for the example of Poland offering hope.
Given what Sam has said on this topic previously and his admittance here that he hasn’t been following Israeli politics closely, I hope the conversation between 13mins and 18mins here gives him some pause for thought where Yuval states that Netanyahu did not want the moderates to prevail in Gaza and preferred to keep Hamas in charge. He was baiting an attack like this to justify a response like we have seen since October 7th. I like Sam but he has focussed way too much on the religious motive behind the Hamas attack (though it certainly is an aspect of it) and not enough on Israel’s provocation. Given what we’ve seen since October 7th it’s hard to believe that Netanyahu completely dismissed the idea of a major Hamas attack being a net benefit to the Israel project.
It's a complete misnomer. The reason the right in Israel is against a Palestinian state is because they don't want a independent terrorist state right on top of Israel. Yuval is a far left liar
I have been studying this for 20 years and the Palestinian “moderates” people are referring to are the PLO/PA who openly support the destruction of Israel and inciting/supporting terrorism. The only difference is the PA are more careful at hiding it to a western audience. If you read/speak Arabic you see that they are not really moderate. Just as an example they called for the mosques to read a Hadith about killing Jews shortly after the attack.
Abbas is a disciple of Arafat who Netanyahu had direct negotiations with. He knows their intentions and it’s not for peace. They’ve used completely nonsense historical distortions like “there was no Jewish temple” or “Palestinians are in the Bible and have a 7000 year history in the Bible” to blow up peace talks. It’s all part of strategy to get more foreign aid and legitimacy without actually making peace. The PLO strategy, and you can find readings about this, is to destroy Israel but they are willing to play the long game.
Agreed. I've been aware of this blind spot of Sam's for years.
You’re conflating two things. One: the drive behind Hamas and Jihadist Muslims who perpetrate events like Oct 7. And two: the Israeli Defence intelligence for preventing these events. The cause behind Oct 7 has nothing to do with Israeli foreign policy. Of course Israel has illegal occupations in the West Bank but that is not what drives Hamas no matter what all the champagne socialists will you have to believe. Fundamentally it is a religious zealotry mindset that causes this. Netanyahus government being a circus didn’t cause it, but perhaps allowed it to happen . Oct 7 might have been prevented with a better government but Hamas would still want to do what they did on Oct 7.
@@joshyman221 It’s like bashing your head against a wall. Israeli haters think if there were no settlements there would be peace but it’s simply not the case. The PA is just more moderate than Hamas on the surface but their goal is not to live alongside a Jewish state either.
Yuval Harari and Sam Harris, thank you so much for this fascinating and illuminating interview.
You need to have a Palestinian on and hear their point of view. Boy, have the Palestinians suffered ever since The Balfour declaration and especially post 1948 !!!!
Since the balfour declaration? WTF how does one swallow this koolaid that the british empire somehow allowing for jewish immigration while they were in power was oppressive to palestinians is amazing to me. How is this intolerant racist attitude considered righteous? Why is the arab nations start of the 48 war considered justified? Non of the suffering would have happened had they not outrageousely started that war. They could have accepted the partition plan. And no it was not "their land" being given away. It was thw british empire's. Previously ottoman empire. Thats the truth regardless of whatever any palestinian would say on the matter
Most suffering in the Islamic world is due to Moslems harming other Moslems. Similarly, most Palestinian suffering is caused by other Palestinians. It doesn't make sense to be angry at Jewish people for not agreeing to their own destruction at the hands of foes that view compromise as "normalization" and defeat.
@@RS-uh7rz I'm asking this as a genuine question. How much have you read and listened to on this subject, and how long have you sat with that information and thought it through?
Thanks for trying to keep it real🇨🇦
Great episode, and so much needed voice of reason. Yuval was clearly the right person to go to learn more about the issue,
I think a question that was raised by the ex president of the MDF (Doctors without borders)is very important and I hope Sam can make an episode about it " Do the Palestinians have the right of Self Defense the same way Israel does?"
It’s a poorly framed question.
Palestine isn’t a state.
Really those people should have been allowed and encouraged to resettle in other countries after the wars like tens of millions of others have.
And let’s also keep in mind that the ‘Palestinians’ have been offered a state seven times in history and THEY rejected those offers.
They also ensure that no one in their territories sells anything to a Jew or even allows them in.
Imagine if Israel did that to its Arab citizens.
The question should be “Can the Palestinians get on with their lives? Or are they committed to endless conflict with Israel?”
@@infidelheretic923
Follow up question:
Palestinians are people who exist, when you kill their family and take their land/ home and they are not a state as you mentioned they are occupied territory according to the UN (Israel controls it's water, power and mobility) How can they defend themselves then? Or lying on the ground for airstrikes and tanks their only choice available?
The part about 'Palestinians' being offered a state seven times is Israeli propaganda which lacks context and historically inaccurate ( read the terms of those "offerings" and imagine Israel was in Palestine's shoes and maybe then we'll discuss that.
Francesca Albanese : "Under Int'l Law,Israel has the right to PROTECT itself,not to WAGE WAR (i.e. self-defense under art 51 UNCharter) agst the people it has kept under belligerent occupation since'67. Gaza IS "occupied" given Israel's effective control,regardless of Hamas' existence.
ICJ (2004)"
The correct question is are the Palestinians civilised enough to deserve their own country
@@saulgood2366 Ofcourse they are.
Actually by numbers of innocent civilian life loss , they lose much more than any country currently exists while still just hoping to live peacefully.
What Israel endured in Oct the 7th , Palestinians endured for decades and still the lie that they would "kill all Jews" if they get the chance.
Why is it hard to believe that Palestinians are human beings no different than you?
Can Sam offer a lower priced subscription for us second- and third-world citizens? I love his content BUT his pricing is exorbitant for many people living outside of the developed world, and sometimes it is exactly the rest of the world that would benefit the most by being able to listen to him. Just asking for freebies all the time is convoluted. Can you please upvote this or somehow make it known to him? Thank you.
He offers scholarships, not sure how you missed it as it’s quite prominent on his website if you look for a subscription
I can afford his subscription and for a couple of years was a paying subscriber, but his subscription fee is too expensive for what it is. I cannot justify it. And since I can afford to pay, I don't feel that I should get it for free. Thing is, Sam has a few great podcasts, but there are a whole bunch that don't interest me. I'm guessing there are many who feel as I do.
@@toby9999scholarship
You can get his subscription for free. Just go to his website and find the information about it. I did it and it was great. But as it is said here, not everything is interesting for people outside of US..
Do people even read? I said I don't want the limited "Free" subscriptions anymore, it's bothersome, it requires you to email them etc. I've already had that I want to PAY. He's just more expensive than Spotify, where I can listen to hundreds of podcasts. He charges the same price as the Disney+ subscription. I want a lower price, like $2.99-$4.99/mo for example. Not $9.99/mo.
33:09 The elephant in the room that doesn’t get discussed is the one state solution.
Ask yourself : why is the one state solution not even mentioned?
Over 10% of Israeli citizens are now living in the West Bank. Why not give all the people living in the West Bank a pathway to Israeli citizenship?
Thanks so much for the great teachings you've always provided to us.
'teachings'?
The new generation is completely out of touch with reality and history, it'll be wise for them to take anything Mr Sam and Mr Harari say as a Lesson.
@@magicupholsterysunil3711 'new' it was same thing 30 years ago. I grew up in LA in the 80s and remember how shallow naive and selfish people became in the 90s. What you are seeing now is just an extension of that. Glad I moved permanently to Spain back in 98. I hear California is a total shit hole nowadays.
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
@@yar245
Yes you said it "Reality", should be acceptable from anyone as long as it's Truthful. Anything else doesn't matter.
Sam and Yuval knock it out of the park...again.
Release the full story please.. ❤
This isn’t Netanyahu’s fault. This is Hamas’ fault 12:44
Yuval just can't get himself to honestly assess the problem with our institutions. Why can't we just soberly note the obvious? The most radical part of the left seems to have embraced a philosophy that is dangerous in it's focus almost solely on power dynamics. While it may not be a widespread philosophy among the population at large, it has become the driving force of several institutions, which have thus become politicized. Accordingly, trust in said institutions is decaying. The out of power Right, is simply pointing and railing against such abuses within the institutions. The left responds by claiming the Right is therefore the threat, because their complaints are stoking greater distrust in the institutions.
Sam harris, thank you for the meditation app I learnt a lot. I write this note to say thank you for the voice of reason, common sense and kindness you offer up and send out weekly. If our world was a pot of water left on the stove to boil, that pot is skittering all over the range and could and likely sadly will tip over and burn us all. I hope not but the quickest glance at world news is not comforting not one bit. Thank you Sam harris and please don’t let those Trigonometry Stan and Ollie use their school master tone on you again, your work and insights are from a different deeper realm of learning. Listening to them in that…now listen to me Sam….tone take pops at you is like me lecturing a Llama on how to meditate……Your work is vital to me and many others we both learn and are comforted by your voice in this Babel of bitterness and anger that is the internet….To quote Yeats….the centre will not hold…the best lack all conviction and the worst are full of passionate intensity. You are of the best and have not lost a breath to a lie……Thank you
52:40 'You also have to account for the fuel given to that religious fanaticism by the Western governments. Most countries didn't have those fanatics in government until the US helped them in order to weaken the secular resistances to imperialism, you can listen to your own words at 18:00 that Nentanyahu supported the fanatics to weaken the PLO'
Sam have you invited Norman Finkelstein into your podcast? He has been involved with this for decades and could give you a better perspective on what is happening in Gaza and why.
I'd love to see him on the show
I'd put money on him not having the balls to do that.
A better perspective than Yuval’s? Norman has zero to contribute to the conversation any longer. He’s been heard out already, with nothing new to add.
😂😂😂😂 he is got the WORST takes in this conflict, Yuval got way better understanding of the conflict, Yuval is an historian of this conflict.
Sam is have a request, I wish your podcasts had video capture as it makes it more engaging. It’s probably a pain to do that but I think it would be meaningful.
We can all expect a sad and horrible mess in the short term.
Practically, we need to figure out who might broker peace in the mid term, which probably means a dethroned Hamas (they will never likely disappear) and Netanyahu gone too.
It’s not just possible to stand with Israeli and Palestinian people, it’s necessary and basic humanism.
The flame war is dumb as fk and helps
no one.
It would be healthy to acknowledge that the creation of the state was one of many flawed British projects at the time, though the principle is ok, the application has been less so.
Northern Ireland, Indian partition, the creation of Saudi and plenty more…Israelis and Palestinians aren’t behind this stuff.
Everyone is a victim and there are also genocidalists aplenty to go round.
Any apologist for Hamas in the left is beyond stupid. Anyone who basically backs Israel right or wrong ain’t far behind.
How many people from the many peace projects have had air time? none by my count.
New and old media ain’t really interested in peace.
U.A.E might be able to bring a life affirming culture to Gaza
A culture that will value all peoples and has as it goal to work together for a better tomorrow
„Any apologist for Hamas in the left is beyond stupid. Anyone who basically backs Israel right or wrong ain’t far behind“
Yes indeed
@@samuelgoldring9691 The state security apparatus in the UAE has been accused of countless human rights abuses, including forced disappearance, arbitrary arrests and torture. The annual Freedom House report on Freedom in the World has listed the United Arab Emirates as "Not Free" every year since 1999.
The UAE's media is annually classified as "not free" in the Freedom of the Press report by Freedom House. The UAE ranks poorly in the annual Press Freedom Index by Reporters without Borders.
Totally agree it’s very sad that none of the many peace projects..which do have small scale success ..are given air time.
Thank you for making this amazing project it looks like philosphers, political scientists and intellectuals may have a role to play in making peace sooner than expected with social media becoming a disinformation war. It seems it's the only way to understand what's really happening nowadays..
another thought provoking discussion. Thank you for doing this
Thought provoking????
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
So, you do not see that Oslo accord and leaving Gaza were the biggest mistakes?
Thanks Sam for such valuable conversation
The Palestinians have rejected every opportunity for a state. The reason many on the right in Israel is against a Palestinian state is because they don't want a independent terrorist state right on top of Israel. Yuval is a far left liar.
Can we please have a podcast without TDS content? Please? Talking about Israel... no need to bring TDS into the mix.
You are also appreciated, AJ! I admire your perseverence and what it gave rise to: one of the best TH-cam channels with a warm, intellingent host and a funny fish who voices everything that would seem crazy for us, rational people to say 😊. Your show makes me remember me the times when there was actually something good to watch on tv and you would wait for your favourite show every week and enjoy it like the special time that it was. 😊 Anyway, just wanted to thank you and your awesome team for always making my Fridays better! Stay safe! 😊
Fantastic work Sam.
Glad you returned it to the elephant in the room. Jihadism
I am shocked that most Israelis are not European but ethnically middle eastern; themselves expelled from neighboring countries after the creation of the Israeli state. What’s happening now is truly cousins killing cousins. We are all family, the human race.
Most of them left voluntarily and don’t want to go back due to the higher standards of living, and the privilege of being jewish in israel.
I dont know of any Arab country that has a law preventing Jews from going back.
Sam, I have read (listened) all of your book of which Waking Up was best.
Please cover Russia's brutal invasion on Ukraine, please!
Btw. read (listened) Yuval's books too, Sapiens, Deus and 21 lessons.... they were great, they are masterpieces.
brutal but much needed remember that.
a snake does not bite you unless you
f u c k with it, nor does a bull back-kick you unless you lift the tail and squeeze the balls.
@@viharm2960 What?
@@RoadRunner217 I think he’s pointing out that Russia was provoked by NATO aggression.
@@viharm2960total nonsense. Who gave the USA and Russia the right to tell who could and could not join nato? If countries want to join then they can.
@viharm2960 and your analogies suck. Snakes will for sure bite people even if they aren't messed with. Kinda like Russia did with Ukraine... on second thought, your analogy is accurate.
Starting to question if Sam’s comment section is real. For a good year or two there was a ton of dissent, but now it’s just universal gushing over sam’s brilliance. Seems fishy
They’re gushing because sam is pro Israel and anti muslim. They will go back to hating him when he bashes trump again.
I suspect CIA bots at play. SH is hardly brilliant. Just another CIA asshat, er, I mean asset.
100% agree. The flowery language and over zealous adoration seems fake especially because it rarely mentions anything specific about the podcast.
@@Trent-ls6emAI bots?
I'm a fan of both Sam and Yuval, and enjoyed listening to their conversation, but I feel that at one point Yuval's bias against BB was showing; the judicial reform in Israel had/has as much supporters as it has protestors, and the supporters truly believe that the reform is the most democratic thing to do, as without it they feel the minority (judicial system) has power over the majority (voters).
Yuval's opinions on the subject are very popular in the public, but the opposition is just as popular, and both sides are convinced they're the true champions of democracy.
go and listen to the great Christopher Hitchens - after that, you realise how insignificant Yuval is
Sam doesn't say genocide. Why? Pure bias.
Sam's is a Neo-Liberal who will critize trump all the time because he doesnt like his persona. But is soft on Netanyahu's Terrorstate which is waay worse. Its apparent to me now that Sam just doesnt view Arabs as equals.
Genocide not mentioned because the population of Gaza has increased fourfold
since 1948.
Genocide is murdering 6million in WW2 and thereby reducing the worldwide Jewish population by 33%.
There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world and only 15 million Jews . The Muslims have plenty of people and land ( 55 countries)
The land of Israel is the size of a speck look at a world map
Ok you got me. I just subscribed for a month to listen to the end of this interview. Thanks for having this insightful conversation with Yuval!
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
Excellent excellent excellent episode!
These big talks should come with video. A lot of body language content missed out on
Very interesting al aqua thought experiment at the end there. Really
Thought Harris’s overemphasis on jihad is a weak position in the current conflict as Hamas is different to other jihadi orgs. I’d the Palestinians have no right to political agitation and violent agitation then who does? The state of affairs for them in the current status quo is bad and many Israelis even recognise that. Yet that analogy about blowing up al aqua mosque and the potential
Ramifications of it over religious symbology is actually a great analogy. Don’t pretend like
There is not a similar example on the Jewish side though.
Wish I could afford to subscribe. Really appreciate the perspectives he brings to listeners.
It's free if you make a petition on his homepage
The best middle east podcast so far. Excellent.