Marika is the Elden Beast and the GEQ is Metyr
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- Join me as we connect Marika and the EB plus the GEQ and Metyr using multiple sources. Of course, there is no direct item that connects the two, but there are tons of other things we can look to for clues.
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I love the detail that Roderika (the spiritual, descendant of the Shaman) sits across from Hewg (The physical blacksmithing descendant of the Hornsent)
They both form a partnership which will result in helping you slay Marika.
Seems she set it all in motion to atone.
That is a GOOD point. Hewg is very private, resilient, focused, full of devotion and guilt, whereas Roderika is unfiltered, lighthearted and unburdened. She searches and finds her strength through hardship, she encourages us to fight evil and enact justice.
I agree, except i don’t really think it was to atone, or at least that might only be a positive side effect. I think all Marika really wants is to escape the prison of godhood thru death.
Only the FF ending and Ranni’s accomplish that goal. Some would say that the FF ending is what Marika does not want, considering it pisses Melina off. However, All we can say for certain is that *Melina* does not want it. Marika is so jaded and broken (both physically and mentally), that she’s seemingly catatonic in the endings where she does survive.
She says so herself very directly. The echoes of Marika state:
"My Lord, and thy warriors. I divest each of thee of thy grace.
With thine eyes dimmed, ye will be driven from the Lands Between.
Ye will wage war in a land afar, where ye will live, and die."
And she continues in another echoes of Marika:
"Then, after thy death, I will give back what I once claimed.
Return to the Lands Between, wage war, and brandish the Elden Ring.
Grow strong in the face of death. Warriors of my lord. Lord Godfrey."
It's also Marika's very own guidance of grace that leads the tarnished directly to her
The part where Hewg says about smithing, "Besides [smithin] helps me forget. The sheer terror of her."
Before the DLC, I had thought that meant Hewg feared Marika and she had a terrifying gaze. Now, I wonder if he had witnessed her terror when the Hornsent took her and her people and tortured them, probably when Marika was still a child. I speculated that the age Miquella is cursed to remain is the age Marika was when her entire world was destroyed and stolen from her.
This would explain why Hewg still refused to leave even when Marika finally set him free. It was his atonement for seeing everything and doing nothing.
I've actually been thinking a lot on this. Hugh says he made a promise to Marika to make the god slaying weapon, she's a shaman. Roderika is a spirit tuner and shaman descendant, and Hewg says she reminds him of a girl he once knew.. we cant prove it but... theyre both blonde women..!
Can we talk about how the elden beast battle literally takes place above the surface of water, showing the branching erdtrees reach the heavens, while Metyr’s arena is underneath the water, with the bases of fingers peaking out almost as though its some forgotten foundation?
you cooked on this one
@@LudiFGC I imagine myter is microscopic
@@curtisfarley6558For why? The spell Microcosm?
@@A_Black_Sheep94 not just that. She is a microcosm.
@@curtisfarley6558 If Metyr is microscopic so no is the entire lands between. Not to mention it wouldn't make much sense for her child to be that much larger.
The elden beast is boc
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That's almost more believable than this b.s lol
Lmao that’s a good one
@@overlord9478Ikr. Elden lore has been picked clean by the vultures they call “Loretubers” & now they’re trying to suck dry every second of content before the dlc leaves everyone’s minds then they’ll leech off the next popular game
@@Plz8662I’ve said this in the comments of a few of these videos lately and they absolutely hate when you say that to them, they really think they’re the ‘deep thinkers’ of the community.
The wart on the godskin armor is a belly button.
"babe the new schizo-lore just dropped"
Facts, this makes no sense at all lol
Hell yeah
Literally, what is he on 😭
While I enjoyed listening, this video was a lot of "this wild speculation is the *only* possible explanation for something, now let's build off that assumption."
Lol, but for real I like his lore
On the whole, I really really like the video but there is one thing I would adjust/build upon in regards to the Numen and Gate of Divinity, as part of the work that will be in my next video.
“Stone hammer made in the lands of the Numen, outside the Lands Between.” - There is a place outside of the Lands Between that has stone and tool making.
“The Numen are the descendants of denizens from another world.” The key is that they are descendants, so I think that the theory still stands where the progenitor is “seldom born” from the Gate of Divinity, but their physical children afterwards are still Numen.
The Gate of Divinity (at least in the trailer) looks like a “birth canal”, and throughout human cultures there is a connection to femininity, child birth, and the divine.
“The Numen are said to have come from outside the Lands Between, and are in fact of the same stock as Queen Marika herself” - We can use the Numen rune to build on this as well. The Numen can both come from a physical place outside the Lands Between(stone coffin space ships!), Marika can also have come from a spirit realm, and the Numen can also all be her “children” or part of the “same stock”.
We find Numen Runes in four very key places:
-Mohgwyn, tying the Numen to the Ancient Dynasty.
-Divine Tower of Caelid, tying the Numen to the Divine Towers and divinity
-Deeproot Depths, tying the Numen to the Eternal Cities
And my favorite
-Elphael, Brace of the Haligtree. You really think Miquella built that place on his own?
I think you and I also came to a very similar conclusion on what is happening in the Story Trailer. From my last video, I said Marika essentially beckoned into that spirit realm where the Elden Beast is and imprisoned it inside of her. Godhood is a prison, but for who?
Excellent work as always!
Doesn’t the Land of Shadow fit the bill for a place outside of the Lands Between that has stone and tool making?
@@dominicbeller8700 personally Id say the Numen and the stone ships likely of their tech (and heavily spiritual stock by the items they grant) and likely what became the Shamans are from what is likely a "Land Outside." This allows the "Lands Between" to be between the ocean and Land Outside, AND then Shadowlands "Land Inside" which double entendres into the gulf of the Main map, with water surrounding the Shadowlands Land Inside as we see via the Shadowlands literally being waterlocked with lots of shore and boats, a historically amazing place for those of boating/rafting capable cultures IRL to like as they are often near Volcanoes which create exceedingly fertile lands, and thus high animal survival and thriving in those areas as well.
Following that narrative, it makes sense the Shadowlands are Middle-Eastern & Mediterranean themed culturally, while Lands Between are Roman Imperial surrounding, and thus the Lands Outside (Stone tech Gaelic culture and lands) likely show "ghostlike skin" European natives/Gaels who were vastly more spiritually linked than organized religions, and were tree worshipping Shamans and many settled into the Middle East in spurts historically.
Very VERY Tolkein pilled in their adaptation of real world history into their regions and such too, Numen/Numenorians are from the "Northlands" in Gaelic/Scandanavian territory equivalents
@@dominicbeller8700 the Land of Shadows used to be a physical place connected to the Lands Between only until very recently, between Godfrey’s reign as Elden Lord and while Radagon was King Consort of Caria.
The suppressing pillar is said to be in the very center of the Lands Between, so the Land of Shadow is firmly not the place of origins for the Numen.
After reading your comment, insta subscribed to you and now I'm gonna bench your content, great insight
A lot of this feels like spinfoil, you have a tendency to say "so obviously" only to follow up with wild headcanon, but some really great insights here and there.
Particularly the bit about the cutscene of Marika's ascension showing the impact of the Elden Beast... I think you're really onto something there.
Ah yes, another individual who's played so much destiny that spinfoil has completely replaced tin foil
@@ballclawguy look. It just rolls off the tongue better you know? And it captures that "spin" element of "your conspiracy theory is trying to get me on your version of the narrative but actually I think you lost me like 4 paragraphs back"
He might be onto something too when he said that the Black Knife assassins might be spirits possessing armor, sure it might also sound like wild headcanon, but it totally explains why they are seemingly headless. Perhaps it's not that they are headless, but that they literally are just invisible under that armor due to being spirits.
Well it's like when I come on the internet and preface what many people would call "opinions" with "objectively". As long as _I_ say something is objective, it's fact. Doesn't matter if they try to prove me wrong, and I mean, they can't anyways since I'm objectively correct.
Surely numen can’t be purely spiritual entities if you can start the game as one?
Exactly
could be a translation thing
okay porkwhisperer3050
Numen cpuld be the physical form. The text says "descendants of denizens of another world"
Never mind that the black knives absolutely have bodies, the first one we find in limgraive is literally wounded and bleeding
Just as a note on why the player might be The One Great. I keep two fingers on my mouse and three on my keyboard, and The Lands Between are between, on my monitor.
This was neat, but how is this relevant to their different objectives?
You got me convinced
@@NayaMoore-nq2ow Movement is chaos while actions are orderly..?
The mouse wants order and purpose, the keyboard wants to melt it all
woah
I think an important missing piece in all of this are Marika's direct connection to Demihumans through GEQ. Boc tells us at the very start that he was kicked from his home, told never to come back - and *became a tree*. His mother is gone, but from her he learned to sew the skins of gods that we wear as armor. In fact - he *recognizes* the emblem of royalty on the needle. The shield of the Guilty, in the Demihuman ruins is another clue. Then there are the Queens Gilika, Maggie and Margot. Named with the conventions of the Demigods Godwyn, Mogh and Margot. Queen Marigga fits as well. Marika I think was primitive at first, maybe moreso than Demihumans. Gold transformed her, granting intelligence to her maybe.
This was by far my favorite elden ring theory I’ve ever seen. I’d love to see you deep dive into the scene of Marika at the Gate of Divinity
Me too💯🤓🙌
Haven't watched the entire video but something that came to mind instantly is the fact that the Elden Beast has a wound on its chest, which could be the same spot where Marika is impaled by that destined death colored spear when we find her at the end of the game.
People have been speculating on what that wound could be for ages but I think you might have just solved it! In any case that is a very convincing piece of evidence to support your theory. :)
No connection to the blackflame nor are any apostles near or linked to her
Item descriptions explicitly state the GEQ was chosen by the fingers how would the fingers choose their mother for a role she was already fulfilling??
Isnt referred to as a empyrean anywhere
Her role is already stated and established in game
I love speculating on lore but alot of this stuff sounds like pure headcannon half the time i cant lie
Yea I'm all for speculating but this feels like wild reaching rather than well connected theory with good evidence
Absolutely agree, there's a difference between Good theory crafting and wild speculation and this leans toward the latter very heavily
@@dakarai47 I guess it would have been more accurate to say Metyr is the Scadu beast not the GEQ.
Same. This is like clickbait
Black flame ritual description -“the gloam eyed queen led the apostles is said that she was an empyrean chosen by the fingers”
The Greater Will is guilty of the same thing that Marika was condemned for. It broke The One Great because it had a "better" plan.
Frenzied flame enjoyer spotted
Fractal plot point spotted. Welcome to FromSoft
This is the story of the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. “I can do better than God.”
It’s similar to how in asoiaf the first man break the pact with the children of the forest and this probably caused the irregular seasons. Breaking the order broke the world.
@@SugarRayD not at all, I like Ranni and Goldmask the most.
I really liked this theory.
My biggest problem is that Marica is left handed and the Elden Beast uses its right hand to attack with the sword.
Speaking on handedness; I haven’t heard a single person mention this: Marica uses her left hand in the story trailer. During the fight with Radagon, he uses his right hand to hold the hammer and the left hand is a shadow-like form of an arm.
I’ve noticed these detail but I don’t have the knowledge to search out further connections
11:40
These aren’t the only Numen, the Nox is a Numen civilization that betrayed the Greater Will, also, it should be noted, we don’t know how many years it took for Marika to have all those children (all of them born with complications), but we do know that Godfrey isn’t a Numen, nor Rennala, and that the modern day bloodline is diluted looking at Godrick, so neither of them except Miquella and Malenia are full blooded Numen
Love that point about disparity coming with the rise of consciousness. I'd been thinking that the One Great could refer to "a time before consciousness." A time before self-awareness. A time of an almost innocent immaturity, sometimes brash and ignorant of its own ignorance.
The darkness upon the face of the deep, before Marika said, Let there be light. Marika with the Greatest Will of all.
Ever since I saw the story trailer I've been convinced that's Radagon in front of the Gate and recently saw a theory that connected Radagon and Seamsters and how he might have been the one to " weave" the Strands together.
Along with the reddish hair and seemingly male figure I'm convinced Radagon played a bigger part in the birth of the Golden Order.
Also the phrase "leal hound of the Golden Order" comes to mind.
I'm still confused on the details but the more time passes the more sure I am that it's Radagon ( or Marika taking control or transitioning to/from him or something like that )
Also to me The Threads look like infant hair being taken out of Metyrs womb/injury.
I we are talking about Miyazaki, a five finger hand makes sense as he loves his berserk references and five fingers are the god hand.
The numen actually do have notable physical characteristics, that being their slightly longer than normal arms. You can see it in Malenia, Messmer, Morgott, Rennala, and even the Elden John statues. This would most likely make them eunuchs, who were characterized for being long-limbed due to their atypical bone development. This feature might also be connected to the ways in which organisms such as some fungi and plants reproduce asexually. Most notably, the dandelion often reproduces asexually, and scatters their seeds much like the Erdtree does
One thing that might be of note at 11:18 is that in Ordina, the black knife assasin's spirit is outside the town, while its body is dead by one of the buildings. The other enemies have spirits on the outside, and bodies fighting you on the inside.
That’s so funny because I was starting to just think that the GEQ was Eiglay’s ancestor at this point. I knew it couldn’t be Melina, as it just didn’t make sense timeline-wise now that we know she’s Messmer’s younger sister, making her both younger than Marika as well as her daughter. GEQ is heavily implied to be at least as old as Marika if not much older.
You made this make more sense than when the teachers were trying to explain the father, son, and holy spirit to me in catechism
If you believe in an all encompassing surveiling god you are a lot more likely to be Abused by the worldy harbringers of its word. That's the hole point of GTA vice city
I think Marika is a vessel for, and not the actual, Elden Beast. She has her own mind and takes actions that directly relate to her life pre-godhood, so I think it's fair to say she houses the EB as a vessel for the Greater Will. This would also make her a god as there is little physical distinction between being a thing and being a vessel for the thing, both allow her to weild power but only one of those gives her personal agency.
Also I feel that if Metyr was anything more than what we're shown we would know, as Ymir seems to know enough about it to be able to weild it's power. Surely he would of relayed to us that Marika killed this part of the GW as or in it's Gloam Eyed Queen form, but he doesn't, and neither does any of the in game lore. We're told she's still waiting for instruction, which is impossible to reconcile with being killed.
This GEQ thing is getting out of hand, it's like every single theory has to relate to her on some way, and though I believe she's important who she was is not anywhere near as important as what the greater lore community would have us believe.
I think the notion that the GEQ is dead comes out of some influential loretuber's arse that somehow was made popular canon. There is absolutely nothing in game that says this! Please prove me wrong
Fr the GEQ insanity needs to stop. Everyone is desperate to connect her to something she isn’t connected to. It’s ok to leave her the way she is presented.
I think the Godskin seal looking like Metyr is because she was the one to choose the GEQ
This makes total sense. Radagon's main characteristic is his red hair, and we're told that Marika is Radagon. If Marika is also the Elden Beast, then that would make Radagon a literal red herring. Miyazaki is truly a genius
How can Marika be the Elden Beast when it already existed before Marika was made in a jar to be the god of the Hornsent? You do realise the Elden beast is the Elden Ring?
The Elden Ring of which Marika removed the rune of death to create her Golden Order.
Radagon isn't really Marika too! Many people were put into a single jar. The DLC shows Miquella casting off pieces of his being! Pretty much giving you the hint as to how Radagon came into existence. A cast off of Marika.
Marika smashed the Elden Ring because she and her children are cursed, not the chosen god of the greater will.
Had us in the first half not gonna lie
@@v4skunk739so did miquella go through the jar ritual where does st. Trina come from
This theory is not that Marika always was the Beast.
But that Marika and the Beast are metaphorically the same thing, because of their actions, the fact that both are the Elden Ring, and because of their stories.
Like God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit being the same being, but also different beings at the same time.
I do hope you're being facetious because this guy hasn't been right about a single thing. This guy literally thinks that Marika is a jar, the guy clearly has an IQ in the 70's.
I think you need to make it clearer to people you’re talking about thematic parallels and not the “facts” of the lore. Lore-brained people have trouble with this.
haha, I can tell
Thematic parallels are not the same as saying GEQ is Metyr because her head looks like a seal. The dlc tells the story of Marika and how she became a broken mother of misguided children just like Metyr. This is a thematic parallel serving the idea that the fractured cycle started before Marika.
@@ogtermus3973shh don’t bring up the beautiful real actual lore that was set infront of us, these guys are busy doing important lore theorising involving the most regarded theories you’ve ever heard 🤫
that was my entire point. that we can learn a lot about Marika’s / GEQ through parallel stories. I said that in the first 2 minutes of the video. in the last 2 minutes I revisit that and say they probably aren’t the same exact person but the same story which allows us to learn about each of them through their parallel story.
@@CenteredTarnishedthen why the clickbait title that has you proposing that they are them? Why not retitle it something more clearly outlining your perspective?
“Before I go, I just want to recap why I think Marika and the Elden beast ARE ONE AND THE SAME.” And you’re in the comments trying to say you only meant thematically the same, lol.
So why can the player character be a numen if it’s a spiritual godly creature?
True 🎉
Lol everytime i look back at this video/comments i see another contradiction this guy made
In Judiac lore a fallen angel is forced into physical form when they lose their god's grace. Since the Greater Will is missing or dead they can't or won't give the Numen grace. Since Marika is a local god not an Outer God, she doesn't bear enough grace to grant any younger Numan their own spiritual form but instead empower their physical form. When grace is removed, the charcater is known as Tarnished, which is likely the term for fallen for the Golden Order. Thus the graceless Tarnished PC Numen is then functionally little more than a human being at the start of the game.
Personally I think Centered is only maybe half-right. Numen are more spiritual than average people, but not pure spirits like the Elden Beast. In Japanese they're called "Marebito" which are supernatural characters in folklore that come from "afar" (implied to be a mystical land) bringing wisdom. So, supernatural, but not spirits like yokai. I think the Elden Beast is less of a god than the Greater Will, Marika is less of a god than the Elden Beast, and her children are less of a god than her. It's one of many spiraling patterns in the game. Marika was closer to a god than anyone else, which allowed her to ascend, but she needed to ascend to become a pure spirit and god.
Marika is the vessel of the Elden Beast. Once her mortal form is defeated (Radagon), the Elden Beast emerges. They have the same wound because it inhabited her body. Also the Greater Will must be a separate entity from Marika, because it imprisoned her withing the Erdtree. I doubt she did that to herself.
Marika is the Erdtree. The person pinned up within the Erdtree is Radagon, and the one who imprisoned him was Marika herself.
@@RevanX77 Did you somehow miss the entire cutscene where Marika gets released and turns into Radagon? Or the fact that the whole thing takes place WITHIN THE ERDTREE?
@@SaicomantisJ That was Radagon, he was strung up in the form of Marika because when she's controlling him, he takes on her form.
My fellow tarnished and I sitting around the site of grace for some more lore.
Saw the title of this video in my notifs and my face immediately went 🧐 as so many pieces just started aligning
Ah, and so the ‘dead snake’ from the trailer scene is not a dead being, but a ‘skin’ that Marika has literally just shed. Very nice video and awesome connections, thanks!
Wait, wasn't GEQ defeated by Maliketh? Also, Cathedral of Manus Metyr should've hosted at least a couple of godskin apostles which are thought to be GEQ's children
Facts and Metyr has no connection to anything godskin related not the flame or apostles lol
you think her face just happens to look like that?
@@CenteredTarnishedSo your entire theory is based off her face kinda looking like a symbol of a clan that doesn't reference or is linked to her at all?? That's extremely flimsy argument to base a whole theory on
@@demonicpoession4562what else could it be
@@demonicpoession4562 I provided 30 minutes of an argument, you just don't like it. Doesn't make it any more or less true. How come we never hear of Messmer?
Look at all of the comments and tell me what the correct theory is? EVERYONE has come to a different conclusion based off the same evidence. There is no right or wrong.
Among many other reasons why this video’s theory doesn’t hold water - why does Marika want you to craft a God slaying weapon to kill…herself? Who imprisoned her, if not the Elden Beast? (The same Elden Beast who has a grab attack that impales you just like how Marika is impaled).
The game tells us..... Godhood is a caged divinity. A prison of ones own making. I don't think its that much of a stretch that (if Miquella survives) he puts something like this in motion as well to end his own suffering and imprisonment. No?
@@CenteredTarnished What I mean is, why does the Elden Beast fight us if it is Marika?
Some things about the storyline are cut and dry. Metyr and elden Beast/ring are tools sent to the lands between by the greater will. Marika is guided to wield the elden ring/beast as its vessel. Marika and Radagon are one. When we threaten to take the elden ring, it changes into beast form and literally turns Marika and Radagon into a sword.
What we are meant to question is the “why” of it all. The key mystery being the intervening and abandonment of the greater will. This is not theoretical.
@@xelu8960 what is the greater will?
The idea of the one great being a full hand reminds me of something from journey to the west where wukong is chllaged to jump out of buddas hand and so he jumps to the edge of the universe but when i looked up he saw the buddas fingers and and realized the budda held the universe in his hands
Honestly I assumed the demigods the nobles skinned just had some massive outies
Here's my "hot take" that I've had from the beginning:
The Player is the Greater Will, who sends its avatar to the Lands Between (we can't directly affect the game, we need a tool that is "physical" to the game to directly interact to establish whatever new order we decide, after traveling the Lands Between to see the truth of things.
You should watch Attack on Titan. One of the most critical characters introduced in the later seasons shares a litany of thematic parallels to Marika, from being the wife of a barbarian chieftain, becoming a vessel for an ancient god-like being who bears a striking resemblance to the Elden Beast, and wishing to create a world devoid of death and suffering as a consequence of the traumas of her own life
Yup, Elden beast looks a lot like hallucigenia
The elden beast is the Literal Elden ring.
The elden ring existed when placidusax was Dragonlord.
Placidusax was Dragonlord before mariqa ever existed.
You need to explain which entity was embodying the elden ring if the beast landed for mariqa?
No, in my opinion marika simply awakened the beast(which is not corporeal in the lands between) and begun communication and negotiation to make her a god in the trailer footage.
I propose a theory for Rannis 4 hands in spirit form and Miquella 3 hands in spirit form.
Most of the Emperyans have alter egos that reside in the same body. Marika-radagon, Miquella-Trina, But who is Rannis?
Mariqa doesnt have 4 hands because Radagon still exists complete.
Miquella has 3 hands while st trina, after being abandoned, is left with 1 hand. What if the third and fourth hands come from their alter egos if the empyrians sacrifice them for ascension?
Maybe Ranni sacrificed her alter ego completely and acquired the two extra hands that way? Miquella on the other hands didnt manage to expell trina completely from his body so the third hand is from the little part of trina that remained in him still.
I don't understand why so many people have this conviction that in Elden Ring MANY characters have multiple bodies.
There is only ONE character in all the game who is divided in two different entities: Marika and Radagon.
Yes, there is also Miquella, but his case is different, because it's explicitly stated that Saint Trina is a component that Miquella got rid of (they are NOT two being which "reside in the same body"), while nothing similar is ever said nor even implicated for Marika.
Ranni has four arms because two of them are hers and two of them are from the puppet body she modeled, nothing mysterious.
Malenia is alone.
The Gloam-Eyed Queen is alone.
So there is nothing like "most of the empyreans have alter egos that reside in the same body", it's an unique feature only Marika and Radagon possess, and it can't be otherwise considered that it is LITERALLY the most important revelation of all the game!
We don't know why Miquella has three arms, but don't forget that there is a gigantic blooding whitered arm in Mogh's arena which is EXPLICITLY said to be Miquella's and leads people to the realm in which Miquella resides. The most logical and reasonable explanation is that Miquella, at a certain point, entered in the Shadow realm divesting himself of his arm (the first step to became a god, and only a god could rip the Shadow's veil), and then divested himself of everything else (including Saint Trina)
So the Numen are the Maiar of Elden Ring.
The Maiar could take physical form and become a spirit again at will, however they become attached to their physical form and fall in love with earthly pleasures. So much so that Sauron divested himself of everything and all of his power as a Maiar, to manifest his will on Earth and took such drastic actions like creating the One Ring to sustain himself there, despite always having the option of returning to the Halls of Mandos for a respite. (Gandalf also refused to return to the Halls of Mandos when he died to his wounds from the Balrog)
I'd say that the Elden Beast would BE Marika, as her spiritual form actually.
Can tell no one here reads the item descriptions.
Finally, a true statement in this comment section
This time I'm not very convinced of your hypotheses. If so, could you make a video with the entire timeline of the story? I thought you thought we were inside Marika's head
@@NeiKung87 the microcosm/macrocosm theory means that the universe can be reflected on in a grain of sand or the complexity of a flower. The game can be a metaphor for the internal consciousness of the human mind and everything in it can be symbols reflective of human existence. At the same time Marika can be a character in a story at the center of the story and reachable, the story and everything in it can be looked at as a whole to be of Marika, in Marika and about Marika. The Elden Beast and Metyr are Gold and Order and Flesh and Births, the metaphysical and the physical, extracted and seperated from each other. The lands between and the shadow realm, the scadu tree and the erdtree, lyrically are seperated, but only in the way the ‘yin-yang’ symbol is seperated. Two halves of a whole. Marika is the human who is god, who is human. Like characters from the bible, like everybody born. The game is designed to encourage exploration and interpretation of the Symbolic. Not the literal.
@thecenteredtarnished Close 😊sooo close, would you like a clue form the lone pine cone ? In the DLC there is item called finger mimic . It’s states that those who wish TO BECOME FINGERS can consume them… where else have we seen physical transformation align with good ? Dragon communion ? Duh … sooo put it together … 😂😂 also HAVE YOU BASTARDS FOUND THE DAMM MUSHROOM CULTS? WHY IS CARRION CRAIG IN THE ROT RIVER ?
- Lore Pinecone
It's much more plausible to voich for the fact that Marika was at one point the GEQ, as Dominula Celebrants (who are vety similar to Marika's shamans) wear both Erdtree and Godskin crests on their capes (the golden and blue ones respectively).
She used the power of destined death to defeat her enemies and fashioned her apostles in conformity to the Crucible to gain the trust of the hornsent, only to then betray them and take revenge for her people. She then sealed away destined death and retroactively made the GEQ out to be a different person to distance herself from that part of her past
I think you are absolutly correct.17:38 Have you noticed that "outside" the gate its dark like purple and "inside" bright like golden and between those the flesh.It seems to me almost as the colours of an Eclipse where Sun and moon unite and since Marika is a Shaman that might be the moment she unites the GEQ with herself to get divine and then lock her in the eye of Melina.
I never noticed the rib cage in the Elden beast’s sword! That’s so freaky!
It is also in the Finger Slaying Blade of Nokron.
You know, I'd been thinking this for a while. Somewhere I heard that the Elden Beast appears to have a wound in its side, in roughly the same place where we see Marika impaled; also, Radagon represents Marika's physical aspects, while Marika is more spiritual - in other words, Marika wields Radagon as a weapon. Then the Elden Beast appears, turns Radagon into a sword, and starts attacking him with you, once again using Radagon as its weapon. Finally, if the Elden Beast was NOT Marika, its presence at the end of the game might be a little random.
No.
The lore that the general community seems to paint the EB as is clearly incomplete. The melancholic music of the fight is proof enough, and the music is as much, if not more of an indicator of the story than any simple item description. The EB has always clearly been a representation of Marika; not so much her flesh, or even her mind, but her soul.
At the start of the game, Marika is dead, and has already been reborn as Roderika, we know that all manner of Death wash up in The Lands Between, Godwyn was likely reborn as Vyke too. When people die outside of the confines of the Erdtree, they are reborn without their memories, THAT is one of the biggest differences between true death and the Erdtree, to keep the memories of the dead alive. Rememberances are Hewn into the Erdtree, which we end up burning.
So, when we fight Elden Beast, we are fighting not Marika, but Marika's original vision for the world. A pure, and elegant idealistic Order of Gold. The Elden Beast, is a question: "Are you sure you want the dream to die? A pure ideal of life. A benevolent wish of an orphaned girl." We are killing all that remains of Marika, her last, most pure vestige of her grasp on this world. And, like all good things, it dosn't die easily, it is scared, and runs away, it glides through the air, showcasing its beauty, it reminds me of a juvenile dolphin or a whale playing in the water, that we have to snuff out.
There is also the parallel between the gameplay too. We have likely spent 100+ hours in this game when we fight the Elden Beast, filled with lots of suffering and rage, but also all the joy that comes with overcoming the challenges that are the source of said suffering. Now, we are fully aware that the Elden Beast is our final worthy foe, are we ready for the journey to end? Are we ready to finally slay... our White Whale.
Radagon is Marika, and it is explicitly told to us
@@FyerBeardon’t you GET IT?! they told us BUT we know it’s all a RED HERRING!!1! Don’t you SEE? They want us to BELIEVE 🤪🤡
You lost me at “Reborn as Roderika” lmaooo
" Everyone who came with me. They ( The Tarnished ) crossed the sea for ME. They fought, for ME. "
@@amator3k "Roderika never once saw the guidance of Grace."
2:35 You thought I wouldn't hear that tittle toot? You're mistaken buddy, I keep my volume on FULL blast
haha that was actually my son
@CenteredTarnished I'd rather believe you ripped ass on the mic and just kept it
@@CenteredTarnished😊😊
elden ring it´s even more terrifying when you realize it's a angry wife.
Regarding the wind embracing Marika at the Gates of Divinity, one of the translations for Numen and Spirit is "Breath" and symbolizes the breath of the Divine stirring the waters of the primordial Void to bring forth Creation. Thus Marika is being infused by Divine energy by summoning this Divine breath to her with the mass sacrifice. Essentially Marika forged the Elden Ring, implanted it in herself using the Shaman ability to meld flesh, summoned the Elden Beast by sacrificing hundreds of Hornsent, the Beast entered the Ring and empowered it to make Marika a local god.
9:50 Marikas children are not Numen though.
yeah, this guy has his lore all mixed up
The elden beast is roaring as she is meeting it and ascending after having created gold, the higher dimension behind the gate is the final boss area.
"Numan are spiritual beings! Look, see how the Black Knife Assassins are bodiless suits of armor!"
Five minutes earlier:
"Look, the Numen in character creation are just completely normal people!"
Elden Ring loretubers are so cooked it's unreal.
I think Godwin's story is microcosm of the Scarlet Rot story. Someone or some creature died in an unnatural way creating a new law or influence in the world, and I think they both serve as a literal microcosm of the macrocosm. It's the small bacteria, germs, or even particles that gain influence with a proper vessel to supply it, just like the stars and celestial bodies in the cosmos of Elden Ring.
I believe a majority of Elden Ring's lore is focused on outer space because Lower beings look up for power, and disregard the things below them, they may even disregard the influence of those lesser things to such a degree they mislabel them as "Outer Gods"
I've been debating about whether or not to chime in on your videos for a while now. I've been beyond thrilled to see somebody getting into the psychological metaphors at play in From Soft's games, as there are many recurring motifs and themes they use over and over again. It's quite explicit to me that there's very much a metaphorical and allegorical component to their story telling. And I've been seeing a lot of what you're seeing as well in Elden Ring.
HOWEVER, I would like to offer some constructive feedback:
Your videos have been incredibly frustrating to watch as you are regularly undermining your own case at every opportunity. There's this very "I can see it so obviously everybody else can or should be able to see it too" attitude you hold. It shows every time you attempt to offer evidence to support your theories. I say "attempt" because what generally happens is that you'll present an idea or concept maybe briefly but very incompletely, and then right when I think you're about to connect the dots you'll move on with your theory as though everybody has enough to make the connection. There's often a wealth of evidence at your disposal you're not making use of, or glossing over. As somebody who doesn't need convincing of your argument, even I find your argument lacking, so imagine grabbing somebody who's actually skeptical.
Or you'll make brief reference of something you detailed in a previous video assuming everybody else is following along chronologically. I can tell you're doing this because I'm following along chronologically. So it stands out. There's rarely even a moment taken to reference said previous video in most cases. It's tedious to do it, but you've gotta do that kind of stuff.
And then there's the "See this? I mean, c'mon. That obviously looks like this." Which is just cringey.
You're also not including any kind of disclaimer clarifying that you're not a psychologist or psychotherapist and to take your input with a grain of salt. Nor are you flagging the parts of your theories that are speculation as speculation vs what we has already been confirmed or generally agreed upon. You're kind of just smashing it all together in a very undisciplined manner and speaking with authority. A lot of the long time From Soft lore youtubers operate on a far more strict and transparent standard. They're generally extremely good at correcting mistakes and holding themselves accountable. And whether or not people realize it, that's what builds trust more than anything. Humility, accountability, intellectual honesty/integrity.
It's really disheartening to see you in the comments of your own videos responding to valid criticism of your theories in a retaliatory way. Especially when people are pointing to the flimsy evidence you provided like the GEQ and Metyr connection hinging on a wart or the shape of her head being similar to that of the Godslayer seal. I think it does too! But the response definitely shouldn't be "it's all head cannon anyway!" You're just further driving that wedge between what you want to communicate and any chance of it being received or convincing.
You really might need to step back, disengage from your ego and ask yourself honestly if you are capable of holding yourself to a much stricter standard than you currently are. Intellectual honestly is hard and takes a lot of work. It's worthwhile for sure. But I couldn't imagine going through it's growing pains in such a public way.
Just kind of bummed because I was genuinely excited that somebody was finally getting into the Jungian analogs this game is rife with. I just wish it were given more careful and thoughtful consideration.
First, I appreciate the thoughtful comment but this is exactly what I don’t want. For some reason there is this immediate expectation that if someone is going to put a video up, it must be 100% correct in every way. I must perfectly introduce a topic, connect it just so to in game lore (which has been covered by 1,000 other people), talk about it just long enough but not too long, cite my sources as if I’m giving a dissertation. I do this for fun because I love the story and the art being made, not to be a “TH-camr” or convince people my way of thinking is right. In fact, in most of my videos I say, this is just my interpretation and it’s left vague because that’s how Miyazaki creates his lore. I literally end this video saying, it’s up for each of us to make sense of it, this is just my opinion.
I have said many times, I am not a psychologist. I have said in most of my videos, including this one, this is my personal interpretation/ speculation.
I don’t care if it’s not up to your standard. I don’t care if you think it’s cringey. I don’t care if there are things ways I could bolster my argument because then it becomes something I love into a job, which it’s not. If you see these connections and would do it better, just do it. Don’t watch my videos and complain.
If it’s not all head canon, why ( after 3 years of dissecting every inch of this game and data), are the comments in every video so disconnected? How can lore hunters get to such different conclusions through the same evidence? The only way that happens is if the game is more closely aligned with art than it is a novel. Art is subjective. It’s not science. We don’t have a 1,000 page manuscript about which characters inner thoughts were or why they did something. Everything is speculation. Everything is head canon.
If you expect perfection from a dude recording an analysis about a video game in the basement after work, while his 3 year old son is playing in the background; it’s not me who should take a step back. I do this for fun. it’s not a career, I’m not getting a PHD in Elden Ring lore. Relax.
"You really might need to step back, disengage from your ego and ask yourself honestly if you are capable of holding yourself to a much stricter standard than you currently are. Intellectual honestly is hard and takes a lot of work. It's worthwhile for sure. But I couldn't imagine going through it's growing pains in such a public way."
He's not promoting Child labor, chill 🤣
@@CenteredTarnisheddamn you literally reacted in the exact way he said you’d react.
@@CenteredTarnished Fair enough man. If you're just doing this for fun, and not trying to be the next "Tarnished Archeologist," as you put it, then by all means ignore what I said. But if there's any part of you that's trying to make yourself relevant in this corner of the youtubes, it's a pretty saturated space as it is. Again, throwing my input in because I think you've got something worth sharing, that's all.
But, just for some clarification, I never said that I or anybody else expects 100% perfection. Being honest, humble, correcting mistakes or what have you, has nothing to do with perfection. In fact, it allows for one to be far from perfect. It's the way one conducts themselves. As for art being subjective, of course it is. But if that's your core argument or best defense under it all, good luck being taken seriously.
@@gustavr2618 well I AM promoting child labor, know any children needing a job?
The description of the sacred relic sword raises some issues for your theory. "Wrought from the remains of a god who should have lived a life eternal" heavily indicates that the elden beast crafts the sword from Marika/Radagon's remains, not just Radagon's.
As a side note, the second part of the sacred relic sword's description has always been very mysterious to me. "Thoughts on what the weapon portends are many and varied." suggests that this sword has been seen by many people previously, so this isn't the first time a god got swordified.
"Some consider it the mark of a great sin, or a sign of great devastation. Some think of it as the end of an age, while others; the beginning." This makes me think that each age ends and begins with the killing of a god.
Maybe Marika reincarnates at each age? but how though?
The problem with involving Marika in the sword is that her body returns to an upright position after the EB is defeated. We don't have a lot to go on regarding the magics at play but would her body be able to transform back after the fight? Honestly it's easier to piece together if the EB was some kind of illusion. The erdtree and grace do seem to have some kind of mass hallucination effect going on.
I do believe the Hornsent saw the elden beast wielding the weapon though. I've always thought that particular design mark all over enir ilim and the giant nox chairs were a reference to the elden beast's wings, and so it fits that they would would worship it if it played a role in starting a new age. We don't know much about the god that reigned over the hornsent's age beyond something to do with divine beasts, nor do we know much about the age that directly preceded the hornsent.
Regarding your idea that gods have been swordified before, have you ever taken a good look at the Fingerslayer Blade?
If numen are purely spiritual how come we can select one as a starting class?
Excellent video, agree with some, disagree with other.
theory: Marika was spiritual when ascended and wanted a physical body, merging with radagon was sort of a cheat because she gets a physical body back
Don't forget that FromSoft love double meanings. Numen are literally "new people", people who have been born again in some form. It's a state that one achieves.
This has some interesting implications for Ymir's dialogue too. Both the Hornsent and the Nox were trying to connect to some pre-existing, eternal divinity. Considering the Two Fingers are a foundation of the "government" of the Lands Between, it seems like Marika may have had to agree that this was her intent too, when she ascended to godhood: that she was not attempting to *become* the omnipotent, but instead be a conduit for the omnipotent that already existed.
FItting, then, that she puts Metyr in the shadows, and the connection to the Fingers' Greater Will no longer works. Now she has the "divine right", without being told what to do. Even the splitting of the hand into "Two Fingers" and "Three Fingers" could be seen as another example of Marika taking the part she wants and leaving behind the part she doesn't.
Title: “Marika is the Elden beast”
Opening statement: “it’s finally time to explain why Marika and Elden beast represent the same concept”
Thanks clickbaiter.
Every character in the game is a personified concept.
Learn to hermeneutics.
@@ghostgate82 Not even remotely true, nor does that negate from this near clickbait title "Marika/Eldenbeast,Metyr/Gloam eyed queen share the same greater theme" would have been a better title of that was the goal in the first place
@@ghostgate82Not convinced, therefore clickbait! 👍💯🧠
@@allthe1you are genuinely just stupid aren’t you.
Hyetta reliability has never been tested, there is no foundation or evidence that what she has said is reality (she could just be a mouthpiece for the 3 fingers, an agent of chaos), and there is no benefit if you believe what she says.
3:26 no, that is vanity, you can not live forever without another (two become one, so another can be born, pass on what has been learned). Innocence does not prove omnipotence. A collection of wisdom/knowledge is required to act responsibility.
Greatness does not make stupid mistakes... nor does it "breed" with inequity on purpose, because flaws will be its product.
This is ideology not based on reality/logical. A child can't judge a god because there is no foundation for complaint. "Being uncomfortable is not a reason to complain... work is required for happiness."
Humans attach value to things they don't understand before they have developed their perception, discovered their place in existence, or talked to their creator to see the reason for their creation.
A game is a creation of a person/group of people, but reality is a totally different thing (rules and laws are connected to the nature of things in existence). Your thought process is flawed... on many levels. One is art/way of expressing and the other has beautiful/ugly truth(s) involved... which must be accepted by rational/mature people for the betterment of all involved.
You are very political in your bias. This game is about fun and for players who have the adaptability to different/changing situations/environments.
If you wish to teach, learn to develop the correct scope, build a foundation of truth (so it is reliable), and give your "take" on it.
Let others decide what to believe instead of you force-feeding others this dribble (of big words you don't understand).
Humanity is flawed, but we survived by being together, not at each other throats... punishing the guilty does not fix problems if the "rest" continue to make the same mistakes; or worse, new/more reckless versions.
I have yet to meet anyone who could even compare or argue against my personal theory that Gideon is actually Ranni, Miquella is the Gload Eyed Queen's uncle, Malenia is secretly married to Radahn, Blaidd is Rykard son, Godwyn is a turtle, Marika is the erd tree and Miyazaki and Martin are actually brothers. Oh and Godrick is trans.
I've been saving this for the weekend since I know how impactful your ideas have been for my interpretation of not only Elden Ring but other things like Higurashi for me. It feels like a week of waiting now. But here we are! Weekend starts with ideas and stories!!
If Marika is the Elden Beast, then she wields herself as a weapon in the final battle. Radagon turns into the Elden Beast's sword- the Sacred Relic Sword. Radagon _is_ Marika, therefore she, too, is the Sacred Relic Sword and thus is wielding herself
Marika was likely a jar saint that fully subsumed her jar on ascension... so the Elden Beast might be her truer form.
i think you are correct about pretty much everything in the video, i loved it
Min 7 into the vid,i completey agree with you that with consciousness one group of beings planned to rule over all life and arouse to rule the lands between from all the pervious civilization.
With a flame of ambition
Love the analysis! Great video
22:56 I always wondered what was the meaning of the tubes in Metyr's arena, but now that you mentioned it, they do seem like some sort of dumping tubes for rejected things
According to other loretubers, the tubes are linked to the other fingers, so as metyr gets a message from TGW she passes it on to the fingers. what i am struggling piecing together is how the greater will plays into this sort of thing, either as an overall entity, or is it something more.. or less? can it be all things at once? to go from communicating everything to being removed from grace all together and having the wound on her chest in a similar area to where a womb could be implies losing the abiltiy to make the 2 fingers (maybe the nox punishment?) etc etc it is very jumbled up on purpose probably, as it is fromsoft.
While I agree we can trust Hyettas words, I think the “mistake” the greater will made is a matter of opinion.
I think the one great intentionally created the fractures and souls. It wanted to create life. It split portions of itself off and gave each living being free will, while also keeping a large portion intact as the “greater will”.
While the flame of frenzy sees the pain and hardship that free will creates as a mistake, characters like Melina believe it’s all worth it. (Her dialogue when trying to convince you not to take the frenzied flame)
This also ties into Goldmasks ending because I think the conclusion he ultimately reached is that free will is the problem with the golden order. (Expressed as “fickleness).
This is an old write-up now, with some recent updates from the DLC.
Marika is the Gloam/Dusk-Eyed Queen.
- There's a red and black spike of death impaling Marika and keeping her in place when we find her at the end. Only Maliketh wields this power, and only he could even defeat a God like Marika. But he's so loyal to her, why would he?
- Maliketh "defeated" the Gloam/Dusk-Eyed Queen. We know Shadowbound hounds have to attack their former master if The Fingers feel like the Empyrean is acting against them. We play through this reality with Ranni's quest, and both she and Iji know Blaidd will go mad as she enacts her vision. How do they know this happens? They saw/heard of it happening to Maliketh and Marika already.
- 7 seemingly Grace-tinged faces adorn the aprons of the Godskin Nobles. There are 7 Walking Masoleums in the game. A ghostly NPC mentions in a prayer to Queen Marika that a local one contains "your unwanted child..." within. The corpses we find within are seemingly skinned.
- Only Marika would be able to guide Ranni to the location of the Rune of Death and how to use it for it to be stolen in the first place to forge the Black Knives. Remember, "Marika... is this what it is to sin?" "Why gull me..." Marika, after all, had only one use for Maliketh in the end, after the other work was done... a vessel to seal away Destined Death. And even then, she betrayed him.
- The Beast Eye is a purple, scratched up eye. It's Marika's eye from being defeated and imprisoned by her Shadowbound. No other Queen or Empyrean is "defeated" but not slain, as the text implies there except Marika. And who but her purpose-made hound could even stop her, a God? The one entity empowered enough by the Ring/Fingers to be able to do so should the need arise.
- Dominula Village is much like the Hinterlands and the Shaman Village. We find a skinning ritual and a Godskin Apostle there in Dominula. We learn that the "festival" is old and tacitly accepted by the Golden Order. The aesthetic of these villages is much the same, and they're intimately tied to Marika herself.
- Gideon gives us a boon in the form of a secret rite known only to him, Black Flame Protection. He is alleged to have peered into the will of Queen Marika and shuddered at the end that should not be.
- The Scadutree is of a dual nature. So is Queen Marika. When Gold arose, so too was Shadow born. Gold and Shadow exist as necessary contrasts to each other, yet in a God, in Marika, this duality exists in coalesce, or it did once.
- No other characters are named as Queen or Empyrean that aren't already accounted for/ruled out to be the GEQ, and by that I mean Melina, she was given purpose by her mother at the foot of the Erdtree and that means she is a daughter of Marika, not old enough to be the GEQ but possesses traits of both Marika and Radagon. Eye color and hair color are passed down traits we see in game. Well, sure enough, Melina shows us a purple/gloamy eye in one ending. Inherited trait from her mother, the Queen in Black. Marika's eyes are never shown to us to judge their color.
- Duskborn ending sees Godwyn rise to ascendancy and sees Death restored, with him as the Prince of Death itself. These titles aren't meaningless. Duskborn? The "Prince" of Death? Well, who would the Queen be? If Godwyn is Duskborn, and if he is a Prince, his mother would, of course, be associated with "Dusk" and be a Queen. And we know his mother is Queen Marika.
- Godwyn is referred to as the "Prince of Gold" in an item description. If a Prince of Death could have been a Prince of Gold, why couldn't his mother hold this potential as well, even necessarily so? We see from the Death Knights that Gold and Death can somehow synergize even still... Gold and Shadow, born at the same time, same as it ever was.
- Fia is hooded with a black cloak and comes from some other land. She also helps create Godwyn's Duskborn ending and is Death-aligned. We see Marika wearing black hooded garb in a statue where she also is holding the twins Miquella and Malenia. Her tattered clothing as we find her at the end is also black. She is also associated with the Nox/Numen race and the Black Knife Assassins that come from there as well.
- Statues of Marika in her crucified pose all show her with a flowing black cloth that wraps behind her in almost the exact same shape as the Godslayer Greatsword, which was the weapon or ritual sword of the GEQ/DEQ. You have to pivot the camera a bit to get a good view, but the shape is very similar. Coiled and then open, with one flap slightly longer than the other, same tip design on the Godslayer Greatsword. It's possible that she was propped up by the Hornsent culture and then part of the betrayal was killing other Gods in their pantheon, but what's maybe more possible is as Centered Tarnished pointed out, that Marika culled some other of her "unwanted" children after learning the truth of the broken Fingers and flawed foundations of her Order.
- Hewg prays to Queen Marika about his given task to craft a Godslaying weapon. Very interesting and specific task. Marika wants a God slain. He mentions "the sheer terror of Her..." regarding Marika. Godskins certainly take an interest in killing a God. Who was their leader? A "defeated" Queen who was once an Empyrean. Marika.
- Raging Wolf Vargram is a would-be Shadow. Wolf imagery is on his armor. He wields the Godslayer Greatsword. The weapon art is "The Queen's Black Flame", of course. A statue of Marika exists in Farum Azula, depicting her with three wolves.
- Marika learned the secrets of the Golden Order and realized her children would "amount only to sacrifices" as she instructed them. She knew the Erdtree was a soul parasite, and by sealing Death away, she weakened the Erdtree over time. She also had Godwyn buried at the roots of it, knowing that he would grow and overtake them, choking the Erdtree further. As he was, Godwyn was an "unwanted" child since he embodied the Golden Order, and she was a prisoner to it. He would end up much like Miquella would, a caged divinity of some kind. She was likely opposed to the Erdtree and Greater Will/Fingers for a long time, weaving plots in secret until the Shattering. She realized, only too late, that ultimate power has a way of becoming a curse when the truth of the nature of it all is finally revealed.
Just as Marika shined so brightly with her Golden Order, another aspect of her was as deep as the abyss and as dark as any shadow.
What are your thoughts on the mother of truth/ formless mother? After trying to understand the guilty connotation and crucified statues in her own churches, lead me to believe not only is she the GEQ, but the guilty mother who craves a wound eternally for her own sins, as an example for her tarnished to grow stronger
I was with this but the last few points just turned into reaches.
Hell yeah, man. Thanks for reading.@@rexwest4532
@eldenringpvpenthusiast1710 I like that concept, you may be correct. It would be odd if Marika was so many other-named things but she is very central to the game.
@@cwill14 I'm completely open to some theories like maybe I'm getting her grandma or mom confused with her. But there is a 2 braided demon looking lady on he briar set, with snakes emerging from her and either serosh or divine beasts too. The only clues the set gives is that they are foreign and guilty, and that they are solitary ascetics. Marika is guilty for breaking the elden ring, and she is a numen, who keep to themselves and are rarely born. But the being on the briar set is also bound, and wounded in a similar spot to where the spear thing is sticking in Marika. But my favorite part about the set is the shield. It shows a dancing woman with undead just watching and one embracing the flames coming from the dance. It looks like a twirly dance with a sword held up high, and the flames are gold,black and red.
I'm actually going through Millicents quest rite now, and the church of the plague just tops it off for me, that Millicent is akin to a new Marika, with Marika and her undead being replaced with pests. But the pests aren't taking down Marika's statue, nor are they fighting the undead around. The image on that shield can basically be seen every time you see a church of Marika with undead graves around it, just no dancer to burn them. The undead seem to be Marika's unwanted children like the pests are Millicents unwanted children.
I swear almost everything Millicent says is like more echos of Marika, but I feel like that with Ranni and fia tanith etc... Because I think they are shattered pieces of Marika. The only reference I know is Manus, father of the abyss and his children. or if you don't mind getting funky, father from FMAB.
For me, the Original Sin and the trailer scene, is Marika betraying Metyr and removing the gold/godhood/power from Metyr. Metyr has a wound in the chest that could be the location in the opening scene. Marika then uses this power to make the Elden Beast herself and be everything herself abandoning Metyr to the shadows.
Tarnished psychologist back at it again
Not to sound like an ahole, but the wind it's only inside the gate' portal and not outside, if you look you'll see even the sky is different in and outside the portal, so I don't think the elden beast landing theory is correct
(Also, where I can find the interview where Miyazaki said that the erdtree and marika shares their origins in the lands of shadows? I'm genuinely curious)
Also also, the elden beast it's not the start of the erdtree, it's the start of the elden ring and order as a concept, the erdtree was not around when the elden beast landed (placidusax was elden lord before the age of the erdtree, so placidusax served a god who had the elden ring/elden beast before the erdtree)
But wait.... Marika is cited as fighting in the war with the giants, and she's with Godfrey when he's tarnished, around the time Radagon is already Married with kids.
Smashing video! Definitely a lot to rethink
So, Miquella walked Marika's path towards ascension but Marika walked the GEQ's path.
The Elden beast is a part of metyr. It was stolen by marika. That why in the trailer u see marika holding golden hair that she took from the belly of something. This is also why the arena where you fight both of them are so similar. The game designer wanted you to draw connections of those two. Marika probably got close to metyr that why the trailer said seduction and betrayal. Metyr probably gave marika her shadow Maliketh since we know it’s the fingers that give shadows. With maliketh she plotted to overthrow metyr and the hornsent as we seen with Blaidd shadows can betray the greater will. She probably use the fingerslayer blade to cut metyr and stole the Elden ring or the rune of death. After being cut metyr can’t connect with the greater will and marika created her own Elden ring and started the current age. We can get different ending by adding our own runes. Marika probably did the same. Also placidusax was the consort of metyr which is why he is the first Elden lord.
This makes me think of Melina, a purely spiritual being, accompanying us, the Tarnished, a great warrior/mage/hero/villain as the embodiment of a physical character.
Cool vid, but a few criticisms:
• I feel like you reiterated your point far too often.
• The GEQ was barely, if at all, addressed in this video.
• I feel like you are stating everything as fact here, even when you say "take it with a grain of salt."
Fair enough!
I like how you said Godfrey was in a trance with the sap, would also explain why radagon left renalla so quickly even though they seemed to have a good partner ship
Radagon also has the lattice symbol, and a lattice is a physical object that plants use to ascend.
Plants are also physical objects.
I had no idea the blame incantation symbol was Metyr's face, but it's obvious now that you mention it. Plus the lines on the BF incantation symbol are the same as the line on the SOTE map were lampreys live, Finger Ruins of Rhia & Finger Ruins of Dheo.
At the Gate "the Gold arose" but has no Order. The Order came later, with the Concept of the Elden Ring, in the form of the Elden Beast.
I think the concise term you’re looking for here is a “constant struggle over the Overton Window”
Lmao that corgi butt got me ded
man this is such a good story.
i just thought metyr touched a frog and gained sight like i did
The only thing I would point out acts in contrast is that the Elden beast is the enemy of Marika. She more than anybody makes it possible to be defeated. She tasks Hewg with the smithing of weapons to kill a god. She guides the tarnished with grace to the tree and then the giant's forge. While I agree she is connected to the elden ring and even her body is broken by it's breaking it is her who breaks it. By unleashing destined death into the world again we finish her work by literally introducing the antithesis of her order into itself like a spear in the body of Christ. All this was made possible only through her own actions. It is Radagon who defies this, seeking to supplant her but he fails at this;
“O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order. Thou'rt yet to become me. Thou'rt yet to become a god. Let us be shattered, both. Mine other self.”
Through this Marika clearly shows in the end she has chosen to oppose the Golden order before Radagon can become the dominant personality.
I like your theory. Metyr's rememberance does say she was the first shooting star; though its possible they both landed at the same time.
I think the Gloam-Eyed Queen is connected to Metyr, sure, but that's it. The blackflame fingerprint is Metyr's for sure.
She literally has zero connection to the blackflame
@@tommyvanderlust9772 That's not what I said. I said the symbol is. Look at it when you get the chance. She had to have Fingers to become an empyrean, it's possible those Fingers were Metyr.
Something that could backup your theory: the black katana used by Jolan has a black flame ethereal aspect to it.
You know, I always thought that the bay in the middle of the map might have been created by a celestial vody crashing into the Lands Between. It's also the sort of thing that GRRM would write, so there's that
The Gloam Eyed Queen is fingerslayer blade like Marika is Sacred Relic Sword, and GEQ was the old god of Placidusax and he was her consort, Marika kill her with the help of Maliketh, took the rune from her body, separate the rune of death, and leave the fingerlsayer blade to Nokron with her people to later betray Maliketh, The Greater Will and the Two Fingers ( and GEQ is a Medusa, she is depicted with hair like snakes in Godskin Peeler, more like to her being a snake too and this explain why Marika hate Snakes and threat like the abomnation, herectic and unholy beings.
The soundtrack in the story trailer is from the Elden Beast fight, but it's not so simple. The first motif, just like with the title screen theme, is the Shaman Village soundtrack (imo representing Marika before the ascension) that's being overtaken by something else (Elden Beast's theme or Radagon's Final Battle theme).
"The One Great" is the same as the "Monad" in Gnosticism. Marika is Sophia, who creates an Anthropos Elden Ring calls Radagon. This is the result of Sophia(Marika) creating outside of the Monad's Pleroma(The original Elden Ring), which caused fracturing, which prompted her to shatter the original Elden Ring(Pleroma of the Monad). This is all because she took a piece of the Monad's Pleroma(the golden strings) to create a new Elden Ring, which created "Ignorance," a being called "Yaldabaoth," or the "Demiurge." This would be the Elden Beast, which is why it comes out of Radagon(Anthropos), her creation. The Elden Beast locks himself into the Erdtree, or Marika, like Sophia locks him(The Demiurge/Yaldaboath) in the Erdtree/Kenoma.
Just gotta understand where the writer gets his concepts through something called "Comparative Studies" for those who aren't in college or advanced high school or never went/dropped out and don't know.
Update: Metyr = Sophia Achamoth. This is why Ymir said the fault lies with the "mother/metyr." Because Sophia Achamoth is the fall of Marika/Sophia. The blade in the chest of Metyr and the back of Godwyn and Ranni's original body is a mark of this fall via destined death. Metyr(Sophia Achamoth) becomes dissociated with the Greater Will(Demiurge/Yaldabaoth) because she was essentially replaced by the Elden Beast, a direct incarnation, who also operates as Anthropos/Radagon in human form, of the Greater Will/Demiurge. So, Yaldabaoth = Elden Beast/Demiurge = Greater Will. The "Greater Will" is not the "One Great/Monad."
Ignorance(The Demiurge/The Greater Will/Elden Beast/Yaldabaoth) is the shadow of Wisdom(Marika/Sophia), the creator of ignorance.
Whoa what. Metyr is GEQ? Well, this will be a take, that’s for sure.
"Cuz warts" bro, duh. Lol jk
Metyr's face is literally the same shape as the godslayer seal and the godslayer incantation symbol
@michaelgrant4164 They look vaugley similar, if that's your only "proof" for your theory it isn't very good, from would have added alot more hinting at it if this was the case other than "look her face kinda looks like this symbol a little bit, GEQ confirmed!!!"
did you really just say From would give us more clues? when have they ever done that?
Nah, GEQ has to be Melina. She's the twin sister of Messmer and was the chosen empryean by the fingers to replace Marika. Of course that would mean the end of the Golden Order and someone in mind didn't take that fact lightly.