*SHOP* KICKER SoloX 12: amzn.to/497MQYk KICKER Subwoofers on Crutchfield: howl.me/cjNYsFVKgx2 KICKER Subwoofers on Amazon: amzn.to/424JpOJ KICKER SoloX Subs on eBay: ebay.us/UMhb2x Gately Audio Subwoofer Enclosures: www.gatelyaudio.com/collections/kicker Down4Sound JP83 Amplifier: lddy.no/15a0e D4S Amplifiers and Speakers: Shop4Bass.com *LINKS* SoloX Subwoofer www.kicker.com/solox Top 5 SoloX 12 Enclosures: th-cam.com/video/1a0vLCnnrcc/w-d-xo.html Old vs New SoloX Subwoofers: th-cam.com/video/00qdMG0e9nw/w-d-xo.html HiFiVega Reconing SoloX Subwoofer: th-cam.com/video/DLfXb97u9x4/w-d-xo.html Livin' Loud with Andy SoloX SPL Testing: th-cam.com/video/4UYIM5EJwe8/w-d-xo.html KICKER Introduction of SoloX (2020) th-cam.com/video/TWRK4mpXIRI/w-d-xo.html *VIDEO INDEX* 0:00 Intro 0:45 Gately Audio Enclosure 2:29 Mounting the SoloX Subwoofer 3:46 Installing the Box 5:05 Important Notes 6:00 Finding Vehicle Frequency 6:33 SPL Tests 10:22 Crunchy Woofer? 10:33 Results and Thoughts 11:23 More to Come *VIDEO AND AUDIO GEAR* Camera - iPhone 13pro 1TB - amzn.to/3nCjGvc RODE Wireless Go II Microphones: amzn.to/3Q6NVHl Shure MV7 Microphone: amzn.to/3A4OICK Zoom H4n Audio Recorder: amzn.to/3BXjVsS 960 LED Panel: amzn.to/2Sxoq3S *TEST BENCH EQUIPMENT* SMD / D'Amore Engineering Amp Dyno: goo.gl/sJTcf7 XS Power D1400 Batteries - amzn.to/2BPFCKW XS Power PSC60 Charger - amzn.to/2CHGcfs Fluke 1000A AC/DC Clamp Meter: amzn.to/2Rw5WDA Handheld Dyno: amzn.to/2u2EgKV My Favorite Screwdriver Kit: amzn.to/2x0VzcE _DISCLAIMER: This video and description contains affiliate links, which means that if you purchase from one of the product links, I may receive a small commission. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases_
Bobby's boxes are a work of art. People complain about how much they cost but they are far from a cookie cutter prefab box. A true craftsman built that
And thats what they dont see. They are definitely a work of art. I was one of those newbies a while ago and i couldnt believe the prices but then you start to learn and you relize how awsome they are at the same time looking like art. Well said
I build my own boxes, have been doing this for the last 30 years, gately boxes are overpriced, if he would put more time into the design, to make them vehicle specific and save you some space, then I would pay that price. But his boxes are generic, bulky and cumbersome. For half the price or less, I can get a quality bulky and cumbersome box and not throw my money away, but I rather make my own, better than Gately.
@@paulchristiansen7014 to a certain point. The performance isnt going to go up because of the machined letters and grey stain . 😂 trust me I’ve had plenty of stereos including walled set ups.
All manufacturers do not pack as well as Gately because they do not charge the same prices as Gately & therefore do not have as high of profit margins as Gately is making... Not hating, just simple easy to understand facts. All 12 layers of that shipping wrap, foam etc costs money... Bobby Gately can afford to wrap & ship packages like enclosure in Big D video. Many of the 'cookie cutter prefabs' still get the job done! And I'm not hating on Gately or anyone else. ***I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN THINK ABOUT ORDERING MY FIRST GATELY ENCLOSURE, IT WILL EITHER BE FOR A SINGLE 18 SUB, OR MY TWO 15" SUBS!
I think it would've survived just fine if he had cooled the voice coils after each burp. He let them heat soak instead. That will ruin any driver and should be avoided.
As we later found out, they survived the heat soaking! He gave long breaks between each test and it was the suspension mount that ripped. Thats an awesome sub. 👍
Well that's what happens to any sub if you far exceed the power rating. Kickers make one of the most durable, affordable subs on the market by far. Over power any speaker and you are going to blow the voice coil, new or not has nothing to do with it. It's just simple math.
@@drewjohnson4794 I think it would've survived just fine if he had cooled the voice coils after each burp. He let them heat soak instead. That will ruin any driver and should be avoided.
Also, I've told Derek many times about my old four Kicker Solobaric 10s (the round ones with the Stillwater Designs logos on the motor) on a Soundstream Reference 1000x4 amp in a full custom encolsure that I had in my 1992 Integra back when I was 19 years old. I ran it on a Sony Xplod 50x4 tape deck with a Sony 10-disc CD changer and it was one of my favorite sound systems I've ever had. I have no experience with the square Kickers as I've never owned one, but I'd really like to own a couple of these some day. I am 40 years old with two teenage sons these days, but I don't think I'll ever grow out of being a basshead.
Tell me about it. I have all my old, original, Soundstream amps. When I was 19, I had 2 Soundstream Spl170's in a Grand Cherokee (I actually had the Soundstream application engineer help me design the ported enclosure). Each was powered by a Soundstream Reference 1000S. Thing was disgusting. I had to bolt the rear hatch closed as the bass kept breaking the factory lock mechanism. I'm also in my 40's and now have a single Kicker Comp 10, in a ported enclosure, in the back of my Golf. I was going to throw one of the 1000S at it, but decided to go with the Reference 300. Only thing I do different now is use foam plugs when I want to go above reasonable. I make the kids wear them too, as they love the Bass Mechanic CD's. I'm sure mom wouldn't approve us listening to 2LiveCrew just yet ;)
Let's be honest the Solo X is for people who want extreme daily drivers... not really SPL builds.. you totally can use them in SPL builds if you use multiple Solo X.. but Kicker needs to make sure every day people like their products listening to music... so its not a Sundown Nightshade... I personally dont care about the db level.. i just want a sub that sounds good while shaking the shit out of my ride.. so thats pretty much what this thing does..
@@briank.2650 LOL i dont remember that one... my first kicker was one of those crappy little black/yellow comps in a box tuned to like 45hz... insane.. it actually sounded pretty good funny enough..
146 from a single 12 is awsome and the amount of power wow. This was a kool video showing just how strong this combo is. Well done. Sad to see it blow but now you can do a video on the drop and go replacement cone. I want two solo x 15s in a custom gately enclosure. He and his team are definitely a beast when it comes to enclosures.
go with the old x18 instatt. 2 x18s with 2 zx2500.1 amps ,arrounf 6-7k rms q 1 ohme get´s you solid 158-160db!! now you can get a x18 for 300-400 dollas thats 800 for 2 plus a hd8000 or 10 k! cheapes setup for rolling 150-153+ all day with musik. and for some db drag go with the lowes 28-35hz! port fs 28-35hz with 12cu feet. thats the 159-160 db for cheap!
I think Big D's would've survived just fine if he had cooled the voice coils after each burp. He let them heat soak instead. That will ruin any driver and should be avoided.
I've wanted this video ever since I've seen that Gately box. I also have been waiting on the Sequoia paint job video since you posted on the First Gen Sequoia page
Hey brother… thanks as usual. Please video your tear down and re-cone of the woofer. I know I’m not the only one curious to see the damage report . Cheers
Its pretty clear in the video that he did not cool the voice coil between burps. He let it heat soak and the epoxy burned up causing the coil windings to came apart. Thats why you hear the wire scratching as he pushes the cone in. I think it would've survived just fine if he had cooled the voice coils after each burp. He let them heat soak instead. That will ruin any driver and should be avoided.
Thats first thing i notice peeking at 31hz. Put that bad boy in like what you said at runed 45hz and see what it dose at that power. Single 12 at that.
I started out with kicker subs but switched over to diamond audio pro comps. They screamed in the thump zone that gave you chills and made you hair fly.
That was a great video derrick . Wow dude , I couldn't imagine four those solo x 's in one box. Like on a Taramp 30k . That would be 😎. Appreciate all the test you've done
I used a couple old boxes 2x15, from a 80s Nugent tour, put in 2 new 15 inch drivers and installed a 1000 watt plate amps from Lase and our band had 118 decibels at 50 ft in a local bar.
Great video as always. I like your suggestion about adding the threaded inserts. I'd like to see this awesome sub with some Rockford fosgate power. 1 or 2 T2500BDCP. I'm guessing less would be more in that situation. I recently put up A T1500 BD against A JP23 and the Rockford fosgate out performed it all day long even though it has 800 less watts. The Rockford amp just sounded better and the bass was deeper
Yup I’ve had a t10001 for years Bought the skar audio rp2000 Even though it had more power The t10001 sounded way better And had that deep rumble RF for the win!!
Next time you have to drill something out like that try this. Drill one out and put the insert in then screw it down, then drill one on the other side if the speaker put the insert in, then bolt it down with two screws. Now the speaker can't move so you cab drill out the rest of the holes.
@@wal just binge watched way too many threaded insert videos and learned a couple things. 1) I need to get a center punch set to be more accurate in setting up the hole locations. 2) I’m probably not drilling the holes perpendicular enough and either need to get a cheap hand drill press/stand or make a jig. 3) like with drilling the holes I need a way to put the inserts in straighter (TH-cam search “threaded insert jig”) Hope this helps someone.
I know this is a bit late but with any speaker or subwoofer that has been pushed to the point you can start to smell the coils, never shut the speaker or sub off. Back it off and play the speaker at a lower volume so the voice coil can cool properly. You can save your coils this way.
Yo uso a diario mis kicker l5 12" comprados en 2001 600Rms con un cajon a 33hz y un amplificador kicker kx 1200.1 old school conectados al epicenter audio control old school y disfruto mucho los graves manejan de 20hz a 100hz solamente y patean bastante bien saludos desde MEXICO
I had a L7 15" when they first came out, I think '03 or '04 and had it in a 1.75 cu. sealed box. I believe it had a 1500 rms rating and had either a 600 or 800 watt Kicker single channel amp. It probably took 2-3 weeks before i got it somewhat broke in, I absolutely loved that set-up which i had it in a '97 Honda Civic hatchback. I couldn't turn up the volume past halfway when driving because it was tough seeing other cars as well as the lines on the road from jumping around when the bass hit. The only problem was the speaker leads broke from what i feel was inferior or too small wire leads. Matter fact it was about 8-10 months when they broke which seems odd because I've never had that to happen, even on 4-5 year old subs. I always wanted that 18" Solo X but back then it was harder to find or afford a amp that would even come close to the power rating, also the box had to be BEEFED up a lot to accommodate the massive weight.
Back then car audio companies were trying to make sub boxes as small as possible. Nowdays you can only fit one subwoofer in your car because the boxes are so big and you need a 10,000 watt amp to get the sub to do anything.
@@martinmi5 A bigger box is usually more efficient so you can use less power. But if you use a high powered sub that needs a lot of power to really move, look out! You will be way louder.
Nice box but for the price I would expect the well nuts to be preinstalled from the underside for clamping force when the screws are installed… fantastic box nonetheless.
Big D is trying to catch up to you! Lol He still needs to learn how to cool the coil after a burp. I think it would've survived just fine if he didn't let them heat soak.
I think it would've survived just fine if he had cooled the voice coils after each burp. He let them heat soak instead. That will ruin any driver and should be avoided.
Seeing as you were getting 140.56 with 1627 watts it seemed like it was power compressing a lot, considering the linear expectation is just over 143 with 3000 watts. Probably running out of cone excursion or maybe the port air was just moving too fast!
Remember that power rating is about thermal handling. 12,000 watts for 3 seconds is similar to 2,000 for 5 minutes - as an example. I think it would've survived just fine if he had cooled the voice coils after each burp. He let them heat soak instead. That will ruin any driver and should be avoided.
I caught that too. It does not look like the coil was blown. I think over-excursion might have killed it, and the former being bent (hence the rubbing)
You had to wire to .5 ohm? This maybe the first time I've heard you say something I disagree with... could have wired up rather than down lol, but to really torture test it needed .5 ohm. Not mad at you, glad someone did this. Good to know limits👍
Aunque lo conectara a 0.5 ohmios, la impedancia mínima de trabajo subió a 1.3 ohmios... luego 1.5ohmios y después a 1.8 ohmios. Creo que no lo hizo mal, solo que si lo sometió en mucho poder de vatios
@@tv_you-_-tube_tv As a box builder I'm aware of impedance rise, that amp wired to 2 ohms rather than .5 would still produce well over the 2000 rms recommended power, .5 ohms was not a requirement lol. He knew the risks involved but was told to do it by kicker. I don't blame him 🤣
Nice that they engraved "Kicker" on the top of the box in huge letters... That way the guys who smash your windows out know exactly what they're getting. And trust me, if you roll around town bumping every day eventually that system will get ripped out of your car. Guaranteed
My comment on the initial post about this sub made it seem like I was putting down the sub. That wasn't my intent, I'm just used to seeing more power. However, I am impressed that this X did what it did. Props to Kicker.
I would be shocked if it does any better numbers in a different box ....Bobby's stuff are probably the pinnacle when it comes to prefab ....and that's not a good word because let's just put it out there it may be prefab but it's as custom as anything you will build or have built and I highly doubt any better numbers will be seen no matter the box ....he is a evil genius when it comes to box fab ...and car audio in general ....I run one 12 in a extended cab s10 with a jp23 v1.5 and it gets down sure I am not doing those kind of numbers that being said I am sure that set up was loud and low ....big thumbs up !!! Never been big fan of the square subs but kicker doesn't make bad products so I am sure anyone who purchases this sub would be very pleased .....
What's up Big d they also got to take in consideration the subs not even broke in. I'm a die-hard kicker fan 16 kicker Comp r 10s in my Durango. I'm officially down four subs now😢 I'm running cxa 18 and 4 360x4. Loving it.
Que up the Evil Baby Laugh Gif at 5:35 when you said you wired the D4S into the dirt......lmfao😂 RIP L7X! (Honestly, amp will give all that woofer can handle at 2ohms, much less 0.5 dcr....lol) It's OK my friend, we all do stuff like that from time to time!! It's good to see you're still human! :) Beers on me if you find yourself in Venice, FL!
The correct answer is series voice coils to the amp. Excessive current is what smokes transistors. Current at minimum impedance will be a percentage of the current rating. When you cut the load impedance to half of rated min, you nearly double the current through those components. So if it was designed to be 80% of max current at 1Ω, it’s probably over the rating by 40-60% at .5Ω. It doesn’t do great things for the voice coils running twice the current they need for similar power levels. It’s better to keep coils in series and size amplifier power at that impedance. The output voltage should be across the speaker at high output levels with as low of a voltage drop across the output transistors. At very low impedances, the opposite happens. The load is high current with a low voltage on the speaker. That means the high current is passed through the output and dropping the remaining voltage across the transistors. That’s why amps get crazy hot at low impedance. Because it’s the worst way to operate them. Before anyone chimes in with impedance rise, that doesn’t make much difference against what I said. It’s still increases the load current beyond design.
Used to have the very first 12 round solobarics, and those things were a beast once you did a breakin period, never had a blown woofer. Great video but in my opinion, use it for some time untill the rubber surround is soft , then crank it up.
146db IS NOT A MICKEY MOUSE PROGRAM! That’s loud as hell on the windshield. I can’t wait to see what it can do on music. Maybe run the woofer at 2 ohms. The JP83 is still gonna put out over double the rated power.
I fried a skar 12" sub other day......on the amp that came with the combo.... amp ,sub, box, amp package. No warning, no signs, no noises, no smell.....bumpin then smoking show!
I bought one and the feedback I'm getting from people in town is pretty funny and I only have it under powered on a lonely memphis 1100D and 4gauge from the stock alt and Cat. battery. It does well on decaf but not on anything else. I need to save up for proper power. It is pretty incredible what it does in this under powered configuration though. I can't wait until I get some new alt. and lithium batteries and new amp.
A lot of us have been there. getting excited and going too hard. Interesting to see that the cone appears to be damaged too on the bottom right corner (no shocker at a handful time rms power)
I've never been a fan of Kicker. But I love these videos. The new L7 is a nice sub tho. Good thing you got a recone kit lol. Wanna try an Audiopipe BDC4 next?
Kickers (Stillwater designs) are great subwoofers. I think a lot of people believe they are not ever since they started seeing them at Wal Mart, but it's not true. They are great, durable subs that pound as good as any. They created the game.
@@drewjohnson4794 being sold at Walmart changes nothing at all. Every single Kicker product is bespoke. When they think Walmart they think cheap. Nothing Kicker puts out is cheap.
So, I think the outcome would have been better, is when you take all the bolts off the surround, that you realign the coil with the pins they give you with the recones, I'm taking this one with a grain of salt, because Carlos already put 20,000w to 1 15 and the coil was fine, even with that in mind, very impressive
The peak around 45Hz is your vehicle peak. My Navigator is exactly the same and its a similar size interior. The low 30's peak is the box tuning. The fact that the port tuning had higher output than the vehicle tuning indicates that particular sub/box is not outputting as much energy in the mid 40's range. Thats great. It should sound less boomy on music. I tune my boxes to around 27Hz to get away from the 45Hz vehicle boost.
@@wal Yep, we need to get you a cheap rta and you can SEE the response curve on pink noise. As you move the box location and orientation you can see the response curve change. Running frequency sweeps to find the peak is so 90's! Lol.
passenger window down and meter in the kick would have hit 150 most likely. Agree with you though. 146 sealed on the window is pretty damn good. You're also SPL testing with a 31hz tune. That's pretty sub optimal. Amazing for music though!
Know ive been asking for long time,but would live to see some more newer amp demos.and please that arc audio dyno?know a bunch of us would love to see it.thanks D!
I cant believe you got a 146.17 with a single sub! The woofer is amazing but i really think the Gately box has everything to do with it. Theres a reason why that man is a legend, and it aint the beard!😂😂😂
Not bad Parker blew a 900 sundown zv5 plus a dc level 5 lol I can’t remember the power he put to them. The Hughes he got was a 146 in his sequia with the xv3 12 so this is right up there with the best.
I had one of there boxes best box ive ever had by a long shot ...long story short when my car got jacked and totalled i couldn't get the box out the trunk which sucked
I think it would've survived just fine if he had cooled the voice coils after each burp. He let them heat soak instead. That will ruin any driver and should be avoided.
@@alanstant9356 Turns out Big D did cool the coils between burps. They actually did not blow, they survived! He's going to say what happened on the next video. I'm guessing he got too much excursion and dented the former against the backplate and that's what's scrapping.
For all the haters that think Gately is scamming people you are sadly mistaken. Gately doesn't make "generic" boxes, each of his boxes are designed for a specific sub and that's why they sound so good. The look of the box is just an added benefit. Show me another so called generic box that can take 12k watts and not fall apart! When you buy a Gately Audio box you are paying for the time it took him to perfect the specs of the box to maximize the output and performance of your specific sub and yes you pay a little more for the looks as well. If you think you can make a box that performs as good and looks as good then go for it....buy your own cnc machine and then tell us how much you can charge!
Very helpful! Can you explain the following? (1) why you didn't connect RCAs but instead spliced to rear speakers, (2) why you fuse-tapped to the particular 7.5A fuse instead of connecting to the spare 30A fuse.
That is a beautiful box but a bit of an oversight to forego putting the threaded inserts in when it was built. Granted it's hidden, so it's not a big deal, but it kinda sucks to have to drill into it and mess up the finish.
At the end of the day, that sub took over 10k multiple times 🤷 Who's dumb enough to complain about that? Looking forward to the music test, these X woofers are looking better every time I see them.
I think it would've survived just fine if he had cooled the voice coils after each burp. He let them heat soak instead. That will ruin any driver and should be avoided.
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*VIDEO INDEX*
0:00 Intro
0:45 Gately Audio Enclosure
2:29 Mounting the SoloX Subwoofer
3:46 Installing the Box
5:05 Important Notes
6:00 Finding Vehicle Frequency
6:33 SPL Tests
10:22 Crunchy Woofer?
10:33 Results and Thoughts
11:23 More to Come
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What app did you use for the Tone Generator?
Can you put the orion splx3000.1 on it ?!!
Id like a ported box done for a p3 12. Right one i have a p-300 actually sounds really good in a 23 hatch civic. Those new kickers are no joke!
Did you say friends at Rockville lol
Oh yeah I can't wait for the gp box. Tyler is awesome. But I bet in the kick you'd have gotten over a 50
Bobby's boxes are a work of art. People complain about how much they cost but they are far from a cookie cutter prefab box. A true craftsman built that
And thats what they dont see. They are definitely a work of art. I was one of those newbies a while ago and i couldnt believe the prices but then you start to learn and you relize how awsome they are at the same time looking like art. Well said
I build my own boxes, have been doing this for the last 30 years, gately boxes are overpriced, if he would put more time into the design, to make them vehicle specific and save you some space, then I would pay that price. But his boxes are generic, bulky and cumbersome. For half the price or less, I can get a quality bulky and cumbersome box and not throw my money away, but I rather make my own, better than Gately.
I mean when u own a cnc machine theres not much art too it 😂
one gets what they pay for,
I have build back in the day 20 boxes that for 500 to 2500 dollars
@@paulchristiansen7014 to a certain point. The performance isnt going to go up because of the machined letters and grey stain . 😂 trust me I’ve had plenty of stereos including walled set ups.
It's amazing to see one sub hit 146db... that was a mind blowing world record back in the day, now it's just off the shelf stuff, insane.
I wish more manufacturers and distributors would pack stuff that well.
Gatley is the best
All manufacturers do not pack as well as Gately because they do not charge the same prices as Gately & therefore do not have as high of profit margins as Gately is making... Not hating, just simple easy to understand facts. All 12 layers of that shipping wrap, foam etc costs money... Bobby Gately can afford to wrap & ship packages like enclosure in Big D video. Many of the 'cookie cutter prefabs' still get the job done! And I'm not hating on Gately or anyone else. ***I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN THINK ABOUT ORDERING MY FIRST GATELY ENCLOSURE, IT WILL EITHER BE FOR A SINGLE 18 SUB, OR MY TWO 15" SUBS!
Be nice if they just gave a shit really
Well they bet for that price. doesn’t cost that much for a little extra wrapping a few of those cardboard corners.
I love the little clips you involve into your videos they bring extra life into them. Love your work big D
Truely one of the reasons why I love the big dummy. He's putting some heart and soul into the videos
Its a testament to the quality of the sub that it lasted as long as it did with multiples of its power rating running through it. Great video.
I think it would've survived just fine if he had cooled the voice coils after each burp. He let them heat soak instead. That will ruin any driver and should be avoided.
As we later found out, they survived the heat soaking! He gave long breaks between each test and it was the suspension mount that ripped. Thats an awesome sub. 👍
That is insane
Geeze I shed a few tears on this one. So young and it went out like this.
Lmao 😂
Well that's what happens to any sub if you far exceed the power rating. Kickers make one of the most durable, affordable subs on the market by far. Over power any speaker and you are going to blow the voice coil, new or not has nothing to do with it. It's just simple math.
@@drewjohnson4794 You missed my point.
Considering BIG D went into this knowing he had too much power for the job.
@@drewjohnson4794 I think it would've survived just fine if he had cooled the voice coils after each burp. He let them heat soak instead. That will ruin any driver and should be avoided.
impressed with the 146. I also love that it can be reconed so easy. im sold. this will be my next woofer
Also, I've told Derek many times about my old four Kicker Solobaric 10s (the round ones with the Stillwater Designs logos on the motor) on a Soundstream Reference 1000x4 amp in a full custom encolsure that I had in my 1992 Integra back when I was 19 years old. I ran it on a Sony Xplod 50x4 tape deck with a Sony 10-disc CD changer and it was one of my favorite sound systems I've ever had. I have no experience with the square Kickers as I've never owned one, but I'd really like to own a couple of these some day. I am 40 years old with two teenage sons these days, but I don't think I'll ever grow out of being a basshead.
Tell me about it. I have all my old, original, Soundstream amps. When I was 19, I had 2 Soundstream Spl170's in a Grand Cherokee (I actually had the Soundstream application engineer help me design the ported enclosure). Each was powered by a Soundstream Reference 1000S. Thing was disgusting. I had to bolt the rear hatch closed as the bass kept breaking the factory lock mechanism.
I'm also in my 40's and now have a single Kicker Comp 10, in a ported enclosure, in the back of my Golf. I was going to throw one of the 1000S at it, but decided to go with the Reference 300. Only thing I do different now is use foam plugs when I want to go above reasonable. I make the kids wear them too, as they love the Bass Mechanic CD's. I'm sure mom wouldn't approve us listening to 2LiveCrew just yet ;)
I still have my 2002 kicker 10in Solo-Baric comp and they're still awesome running on my 500w JL audio amplifier
These subs are unreal and the box is beautiful! Good thing for the re-cone though! Always love your testing vids!
Let's be honest the Solo X is for people who want extreme daily drivers... not really SPL builds.. you totally can use them in SPL builds if you use multiple Solo X.. but Kicker needs to make sure every day people like their products listening to music... so its not a Sundown Nightshade... I personally dont care about the db level.. i just want a sub that sounds good while shaking the shit out of my ride.. so thats pretty much what this thing does..
Do you remember the kicker XPL line in the 90s? Your comment immediately reminded me of that garbage line. Just useless musicly.
@@briank.2650 LOL i dont remember that one... my first kicker was one of those crappy little black/yellow comps in a box tuned to like 45hz... insane.. it actually sounded pretty good funny enough..
I guess its true that its always about compromise. You can sacrifice musicality for spl or vice versa. You need to find the best compromise for you. 👍
That's why I got a dc audio XL and love it very musical while breaking shit
Y'all must be poor
146 from a single 12 is awsome and the amount of power wow. This was a kool video showing just how strong this combo is. Well done. Sad to see it blow but now you can do a video on the drop and go replacement cone. I want two solo x 15s in a custom gately enclosure. He and his team are definitely a beast when it comes to enclosures.
Damn that’s gonna be a loud setup! lol I just have an 12in kicker square Q series and I’m wondering if an 12inch solo X would be a good upgrade.
Especially 146 from a 12 that's made more for sound quality than anything! They sound incredible while being that loud
go with the old x18 instatt. 2 x18s with 2 zx2500.1 amps ,arrounf 6-7k rms q 1 ohme get´s you solid 158-160db!! now you can get a x18 for 300-400 dollas thats 800 for 2 plus a hd8000 or 10 k! cheapes setup for rolling 150-153+ all day with musik. and for some db drag go with the lowes 28-35hz! port fs 28-35hz with 12cu feet. thats the 159-160 db for cheap!
Could go DC audio lv 5 or 6 instead they can easily handle 3500 to 6k rms all day
That Gately box is amazing
Man, I'd been waiting on this video!!! Thanks Big D!!!
Two blown solo X’s in the same week
Coil is in the air 😆🥲
Thats why kickers suck. Theyre KNOWN TO BLOWN
Yea 😅😅. And only 12k of power. Should have blown at 60k right 😂
I think Big D's would've survived just fine if he had cooled the voice coils after each burp. He let them heat soak instead. That will ruin any driver and should be avoided.
I've wanted this video ever since I've seen that Gately box. I also have been waiting on the Sequoia paint job video since you posted on the First Gen Sequoia page
I'm seriously amazed that sub took twelve thousand watts and didn't light on fire
Hey brother… thanks as usual. Please video your tear down and re-cone of the woofer. I know I’m not the only one curious to see the damage report . Cheers
I second this request Big D. I am really curious to see what actually failed in the woofer's voice coil! Thanks a lot in advance Big D.
Its pretty clear in the video that he did not cool the voice coil between burps. He let it heat soak and the epoxy burned up causing the coil windings to came apart. Thats why you hear the wire scratching as he pushes the cone in.
I think it would've survived just fine if he had cooled the voice coils after each burp. He let them heat soak instead. That will ruin any driver and should be avoided.
Bobby G makes some of the best sub boxes in the game, his quality and attention to detail is worth every penny!
5:07 All things people need to remember. Box is tuned low for music, not SPL. Tune the box at ~45Hz and it's be an easy 150db..... from one 12. 🙂
Thats first thing i notice peeking at 31hz. Put that bad boy in like what you said at runed 45hz and see what it dose at that power. Single 12 at that.
Exactly 140+ on 1500w at tuning thats the main thing to get from video box and speaker is amazing!
I started out with kicker subs but switched over to diamond audio pro comps. They screamed in the thump zone that gave you chills and made you hair fly.
Should have wired it at 2 Ohms. It still would have put out over 3 times Kicker's rated power. 🤯
But subs don't put out. Power bro
@Damon Rowan ,Kinda what I was wondering, didn’t understand the “this sub had to be wired at 1/2 ohm” statement
@@minitruckinaintdead7142 he was talking about the amp.🤦🏻♂️
Wow, that is an absolute gnarly box and woofer.
That was awesome!!! That Solo X and JP83 are awesome!!
That was a great video derrick . Wow dude , I couldn't imagine four those solo x 's in one box. Like on a Taramp 30k . That would be 😎. Appreciate all the test you've done
2 dd m4000 or 4 fosgate bdcp t2500 on 4 solo x 12s no wall
More on the Toyota Sequoia please I love those things I'm a car guy through and through and I love all of your content so yeah.. Bring it
I used a couple old boxes 2x15, from a 80s Nugent tour, put in 2 new 15 inch drivers and installed a 1000 watt plate amps from Lase and our band had 118 decibels at 50 ft in a local bar.
Luckily, it can be reconed! 👍🏻😁
Bobby makes the most beautiful Plexiglass enclosures on the planet!
Great video as always. I like your suggestion about adding the threaded inserts.
I'd like to see this awesome sub with some Rockford fosgate power. 1 or 2 T2500BDCP. I'm guessing less would be more in that situation.
I recently put up A T1500 BD against A JP23 and the Rockford fosgate out performed it all day long even though it has 800 less watts. The Rockford amp just sounded better and the bass was deeper
Yup
I’ve had a t10001 for years
Bought the skar audio rp2000
Even though it had more power
The t10001 sounded way better
And had that deep rumble
RF for the win!!
i have a bdcp t1000 its a beast ! i would take it over any other 1000-2k amp hands down.
love my 2500bdcp
Next time you have to drill something out like that try this. Drill one out and put the insert in then screw it down, then drill one on the other side if the speaker put the insert in, then bolt it down with two screws. Now the speaker can't move so you cab drill out the rest of the holes.
Thanks for the tip, used inserts on the last box I made. Dispite best efforts ended up with disappointing results.
I did just this on each of the 4 corners and still got off on a couple of the remainder holes 🤦♂️
@@wal just binge watched way too many threaded insert videos and learned a couple things. 1) I need to get a center punch set to be more accurate in setting up the hole locations. 2) I’m probably not drilling the holes perpendicular enough and either need to get a cheap hand drill press/stand or make a jig. 3) like with drilling the holes I need a way to put the inserts in straighter (TH-cam search “threaded insert jig”)
Hope this helps someone.
I know this is a bit late but with any speaker or subwoofer that has been pushed to the point you can start to smell the coils, never shut the speaker or sub off. Back it off and play the speaker at a lower volume so the voice coil can cool properly. You can save your coils this way.
Kicker sent the woofer with the re-cone because they knew you were going to blow it up🔊
Yo uso a diario mis kicker l5 12" comprados en 2001 600Rms con un cajon a 33hz y un amplificador kicker kx 1200.1 old school conectados al epicenter audio control old school y disfruto mucho los graves manejan de 20hz a 100hz solamente y patean bastante bien saludos desde MEXICO
I had a L7 15" when they first came out, I think '03 or '04 and had it in a 1.75 cu. sealed box. I believe it had a 1500 rms rating and had either a 600 or 800 watt Kicker single channel amp. It probably took 2-3 weeks before i got it somewhat broke in, I absolutely loved that set-up which i had it in a '97 Honda Civic hatchback. I couldn't turn up the volume past halfway when driving because it was tough seeing other cars as well as the lines on the road from jumping around when the bass hit. The only problem was the speaker leads broke from what i feel was inferior or too small wire leads. Matter fact it was about 8-10 months when they broke which seems odd because I've never had that to happen, even on 4-5 year old subs. I always wanted that 18" Solo X but back then it was harder to find or afford a amp that would even come close to the power rating, also the box had to be BEEFED up a lot to accommodate the massive weight.
Back then car audio companies were trying to make sub boxes as small as possible. Nowdays you can only fit one subwoofer in your car because the boxes are so big and you need a 10,000 watt amp to get the sub to do anything.
@@martinmi5 A bigger box is usually more efficient so you can use less power. But if you use a high powered sub that needs a lot of power to really move, look out! You will be way louder.
Gately is the best in the business. I’ll have one of his enclosures one day. The amp is gettin with it as well. The sub… R.I.P (until reincarnation) 😂
Thank you for posting so fast best sub content creator 100% getting that subscribe
Great video!!
Cant wait to see you recone it...
Glueing in a recone got old!!!
Nice box but for the price I would expect the well nuts to be preinstalled from the underside for clamping force when the screws are installed… fantastic box nonetheless.
Gately cringed when he used those well nuts
I run 2 Kicker L7's thinking about getting these. Man the power was insane!!!!!!!
I hit 154.8 with 2l7s on 2 zr1000s
Dam that’s a awesome score for 2 L7’s.. what’s your box tuned to
@@sneezinhatch more details?
No doubt the box is beautiful man and i really dig the ports also
Them subs are the bomb!! Field repairable cant go wrong..its not the end of this sub for sure 👍👍
I had a set of Jenson 6 x 9 triaxles in the rear deck of my 1980 camaro that pushed 137-138db way back in the day.
Liquid cooled?
@@DPaulHorton67 You know it!
With 6/8ths of a gallon of triple torsion fluxed and filtered ferrofluid lol
Happens to the best of us!! Keep up the great vids 🔊
You next
Big D is trying to catch up to you! Lol
He still needs to learn how to cool the coil after a burp. I think it would've survived just fine if he didn't let them heat soak.
He did it on purpose just to recover it
From what I’m seeing 7,500 rms for daily use and 10,000 for SPL system plus i seen this sub do a 150 at 30hzs 🎊 🎉😅
I did a 145.5 on 1k watts. With 2 kicker L5s in a kicker prefab.
That’s wild! Great stuff! Roll them windows down because let’s be honest, nobody bumps with the windows up not even in the winter time 🤣
Wow that's awesome that it took power like that before failure occurred!
I think it would've survived just fine if he had cooled the voice coils after each burp. He let them heat soak instead. That will ruin any driver and should be avoided.
Seeing as you were getting 140.56 with 1627 watts it seemed like it was power compressing a lot, considering the linear expectation is just over 143 with 3000 watts. Probably running out of cone excursion or maybe the port air was just moving too fast!
I'm sure an spl specific box would have larger ports. He may have seen less compression at a higher frequency, like 45Hz, where his vehicle peaks at.
How is someone watching a youtube video knowing your plate number any different than a random person on the road knowing your plate number?
the fact that it took 12,000+W is just crazy
Remember that power rating is about thermal handling. 12,000 watts for 3 seconds is similar to 2,000 for 5 minutes - as an example.
I think it would've survived just fine if he had cooled the voice coils after each burp. He let them heat soak instead. That will ruin any driver and should be avoided.
It also looks like the subwoofer cone buckled if you look at 11:28 in the bottom right corner.
I caught that too. It does not look like the coil was blown. I think over-excursion might have killed it, and the former being bent (hence the rubbing)
You had to wire to .5 ohm? This maybe the first time I've heard you say something I disagree with... could have wired up rather than down lol, but to really torture test it needed .5 ohm. Not mad at you, glad someone did this. Good to know limits👍
I caught that too.
Yeah it didn’t quite go as planned but I have a lot more content on this coming
@@wal Cant wait 👍
Aunque lo conectara a 0.5 ohmios, la impedancia mínima de trabajo subió a 1.3 ohmios... luego 1.5ohmios y después a 1.8 ohmios. Creo que no lo hizo mal, solo que si lo sometió en mucho poder de vatios
@@tv_you-_-tube_tv As a box builder I'm aware of impedance rise, that amp wired to 2 ohms rather than .5 would still produce well over the 2000 rms recommended power, .5 ohms was not a requirement lol. He knew the risks involved but was told to do it by kicker. I don't blame him 🤣
DANG SON! HOW YOU GOT A YELLOW LICENSE PLATE! I'm jelly!
All joking aside, very informative video. Your stuff continues to be awesome.
I've run 12k on 2 zvx-15's in a daily driver for about 2 years now with no issues.
That box is sick and amazing 😊
That Kicker Was Pounding Pretty Hard, Great Numbers For One Sub! Gately Boxes Rule!
Nice that they engraved "Kicker" on the top of the box in huge letters... That way the guys who smash your windows out know exactly what they're getting. And trust me, if you roll around town bumping every day eventually that system will get ripped out of your car. Guaranteed
My comment on the initial post about this sub made it seem like I was putting down the sub. That wasn't my intent, I'm just used to seeing more power.
However, I am impressed that this X did what it did. Props to Kicker.
What do you mean you're used to seeing more power? Are you referring to the power ratings?
I would be shocked if it does any better numbers in a different box ....Bobby's stuff are probably the pinnacle when it comes to prefab ....and that's not a good word because let's just put it out there it may be prefab but it's as custom as anything you will build or have built and I highly doubt any better numbers will be seen no matter the box ....he is a evil genius when it comes to box fab ...and car audio in general ....I run one 12 in a extended cab s10 with a jp23 v1.5 and it gets down sure I am not doing those kind of numbers that being said I am sure that set up was loud and low ....big thumbs up !!! Never been big fan of the square subs but kicker doesn't make bad products so I am sure anyone who purchases this sub would be very pleased .....
I REALLY hope they finally make it in an 18" sub. 🙏
Now I definitely can’t wait for the 15s to come out!!
What's up Big d they also got to take in consideration the subs not even broke in. I'm a die-hard kicker fan 16 kicker Comp r 10s in my Durango. I'm officially down four subs now😢 I'm running cxa 18 and 4 360x4. Loving it.
bruh u be pushin them to damn hard!
Que up the Evil Baby Laugh Gif at 5:35 when you said you wired the D4S into the dirt......lmfao😂
RIP L7X!
(Honestly, amp will give all that woofer can handle at 2ohms, much less 0.5 dcr....lol)
It's OK my friend, we all do stuff like that from time to time!! It's good to see you're still human! :)
Beers on me if you find yourself in Venice, FL!
Jesus that box would fit PERFECT in my rsx.
Great video!!!!! Send that JP83 my ways, I'll give it mo powa!!!!!
The correct answer is series voice coils to the amp. Excessive current is what smokes transistors. Current at minimum impedance will be a percentage of the current rating. When you cut the load impedance to half of rated min, you nearly double the current through those components. So if it was designed to be 80% of max current at 1Ω, it’s probably over the rating by 40-60% at .5Ω.
It doesn’t do great things for the voice coils running twice the current they need for similar power levels. It’s better to keep coils in series and size amplifier power at that impedance. The output voltage should be across the speaker at high output levels with as low of a voltage drop across the output transistors. At very low impedances, the opposite happens. The load is high current with a low voltage on the speaker. That means the high current is passed through the output and dropping the remaining voltage across the transistors. That’s why amps get crazy hot at low impedance. Because it’s the worst way to operate them. Before anyone chimes in with impedance rise, that doesn’t make much difference against what I said. It’s still increases the load current beyond design.
Used to have the very first 12 round solobarics, and those things were a beast once you did a breakin period, never had a blown woofer. Great video but in my opinion, use it for some time untill the rubber surround is soft , then crank it up.
I can't wait to see the 15 in version
146db IS NOT A MICKEY MOUSE PROGRAM!
That’s loud as hell on the windshield. I can’t wait to see what it can do on music.
Maybe run the woofer at 2 ohms. The JP83 is still gonna put out over double the rated power.
Great video, awesome sub and a beautiful box. 👍🏼👍🏼
I fried a skar 12" sub other day......on the amp that came with the combo.... amp ,sub, box, amp package. No warning, no signs, no noises, no smell.....bumpin then smoking show!
Do those amps have a clip light on them so you can see if you're pushing them too hard?
I bought one and the feedback I'm getting from people in town is pretty funny and I only have it under powered on a lonely memphis 1100D and 4gauge from the stock alt and Cat. battery. It does well on decaf but not on anything else. I need to save up for proper power. It is pretty incredible what it does in this under powered configuration though. I can't wait until I get some new alt. and lithium batteries and new amp.
Yeah boi
A lot of us have been there. getting excited and going too hard. Interesting to see that the cone appears to be damaged too on the bottom right corner (no shocker at a handful time rms power)
Beautiful enclosure.
I've never been a fan of Kicker. But I love these videos. The new L7 is a nice sub tho. Good thing you got a recone kit lol. Wanna try an Audiopipe BDC4 next?
Kickers (Stillwater designs) are great subwoofers. I think a lot of people believe they are not ever since they started seeing them at Wal Mart, but it's not true. They are great, durable subs that pound as good as any. They created the game.
You’re a fan of Audiopipe but not a fan of Kicker? How does that work?
@@drewjohnson4794 being sold at Walmart changes nothing at all. Every single Kicker product is bespoke. When they think Walmart they think cheap. Nothing Kicker puts out is cheap.
So, I think the outcome would have been better, is when you take all the bolts off the surround, that you realign the coil with the pins they give you with the recones, I'm taking this one with a grain of salt, because Carlos already put 20,000w to 1 15 and the coil was fine, even with that in mind, very impressive
The peak around 45Hz is your vehicle peak. My Navigator is exactly the same and its a similar size interior. The low 30's peak is the box tuning. The fact that the port tuning had higher output than the vehicle tuning indicates that particular sub/box is not outputting as much energy in the mid 40's range. Thats great. It should sound less boomy on music. I tune my boxes to around 27Hz to get away from the 45Hz vehicle boost.
The Quad Box is also tuned at 31Hz but my SPL sweep peaked at 47Hz
@@wal Yep, we need to get you a cheap rta and you can SEE the response curve on pink noise. As you move the box location and orientation you can see the response curve change. Running frequency sweeps to find the peak is so 90's! Lol.
passenger window down and meter in the kick would have hit 150 most likely. Agree with you though. 146 sealed on the window is pretty damn good. You're also SPL testing with a 31hz tune. That's pretty sub optimal. Amazing for music though!
Love my gately audio box
It's Russia birch
my first real subs were SSA icon 15s. i had the 12" zcons after that. SSA is a awesome brand ive been looking at getting a meter.
Im curious was there any type of break in period?
Not a bad score for 1 12. I'm working on something myself!!!!
I have always wanted a Solo X just don't have room for the box :)
Can't wait to see the recone process and how it performs after a recone
Hifi Vega shows the recone process.
HiFiVega did a recone here th-cam.com/video/DLfXb97u9x4/w-d-xo.html
now let’s see what an MBE box can do. 😂
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“Albert, you pierced the toast”.
I built very similar one in 1978. Round type aluminum cone , over xmax, too much vents,lasted a year
Know ive been asking for long time,but would live to see some more newer amp demos.and please that arc audio dyno?know a bunch of us would love to see it.thanks D!
I cant believe you got a 146.17 with a single sub! The woofer is amazing but i really think the Gately box has everything to do with it. Theres a reason why that man is a legend, and it aint the beard!😂😂😂
Have you ever heard of Sundown?
@@carlospacheco8640 sundown is the SPL king. If your looking to get loud that's the brand for sure
Its pretty good for what it is
@@RJSDZNS I like kicker sub box the best of the best from kicker though
Not bad Parker blew a 900 sundown zv5 plus a dc level 5 lol I can’t remember the power he put to them. The Hughes he got was a 146 in his sequia with the xv3 12 so this is right up there with the best.
I had one of there boxes best box ive ever had by a long shot ...long story short when my car got jacked and totalled i couldn't get the box out the trunk which sucked
Between Gately box and that jp83 that's crazy
Man that handled alot until it blowed thi. Excellent teast Big D.
I think it would've survived just fine if he had cooled the voice coils after each burp. He let them heat soak instead. That will ruin any driver and should be avoided.
@JasonWW2000 I agree, man, but like he said, it's for experimental purposes only.
@@alanstant9356 Turns out Big D did cool the coils between burps. They actually did not blow, they survived! He's going to say what happened on the next video. I'm guessing he got too much excursion and dented the former against the backplate and that's what's scrapping.
@JasonWW2000 I figured he might have saved them. It was a very good test, tho from them for power handling.
Nice video what’s the most power you would send to a pair for a daily vehicle obviously we see there are underrated
Love the videos keep,em coming! - I,m outta heeeeeeeraa!
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For all the haters that think Gately is scamming people you are sadly mistaken. Gately doesn't make "generic" boxes, each of his boxes are designed for a specific sub and that's why they sound so good. The look of the box is just an added benefit. Show me another so called generic box that can take 12k watts and not fall apart! When you buy a Gately Audio box you are paying for the time it took him to perfect the specs of the box to maximize the output and performance of your specific sub and yes you pay a little more for the looks as well. If you think you can make a box that performs as good and looks as good then go for it....buy your own cnc machine and then tell us how much you can charge!
@farmerstevesolox18s he's not a scammer people are just stupid lol
Very helpful! Can you explain the following? (1) why you didn't connect RCAs but instead spliced to rear speakers, (2) why you fuse-tapped to the particular 7.5A fuse instead of connecting to the spare 30A fuse.
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I am obviously not versed with the technical stuff. Would appreciate a response. Thanks!
I'm sorry brother I don't even know what you're referring to
I had a probe gt in 2004 did 144db with 1600watts on to pioneer subs in stock class in a 6ft box
That is a beautiful box but a bit of an oversight to forego putting the threaded inserts in when it was built. Granted it's hidden, so it's not a big deal, but it kinda sucks to have to drill into it and mess up the finish.
At the end of the day, that sub took over 10k multiple times 🤷
Who's dumb enough to complain about that?
Looking forward to the music test, these X woofers are looking better every time I see them.
I think it would've survived just fine if he had cooled the voice coils after each burp. He let them heat soak instead. That will ruin any driver and should be avoided.