Yes, this was a massive cooler but looking at the river play, it was also one of the worst hands I have EVER played in my career, a gigantic gift to Mariano that I will make sure never happens again. Thx for the breakdown Doug.
Your reaction (or more so not reacting) when losing that hand is pure class. You should be proud of that. I think 99.9% of us would lose in that hand regardlass of who our opponent was. It's just so unlikely to flop this kind of hand.
@@marvellkanmomixa1997 I did it also on Pokerstars when there is 3 of a kind on the board for example KKK 94 and I have A9 the other guy is all in he has a KQ because when 3 kings are on the board on Pokerstars it's 90% chance the other guy has it. That happens very very often on Pokerstars, three of a kind on the board,. I played millions of hands live and it happened maybe 2 or 3 times in my entire life, on Pokerstars I played 500 k hands and this situation happened more than 2500 times and I lost every time I called about 1500 times before I learned I have to fold because the other guy had quads every fuking time. When I saw it happens all the time I started writing down in my notebook every time three of a kind is on the board and since I started taking notes it happened 2500 times and I lost 1500 and folded 1000 times and of those 1k hands that I folded 384 times the other guy showed quads and there is 98% posibility that remaining 616 times my opponent didn't show a hand he had it. But the main point is that first 1500 times since I started taking notes I lost with full house against quads. I wrote mail to pokerstars and asked them why this happens and they said it's completely normal and that happens to everyone.
I really like the fact that Hustler and Lodge aren’t at war. They are cooperating and we as the audience are the winners. Smart biz on both sides. Nice to see!
There’s almost no reason for them to be at war. This is media and cost on the consumer is only time, if it cost money to see the videos then you can bet your ass they wouldn’t be playing nice
I feel like I have to chip in because of the title. There was a man who was close to the bubble of the main event WSOP, all he had to do was fold a few hands to guarantee his family $15,000. He was explaining to his wife (who knew nothing about poker) that he played a satellite and got a seat and he was the second biggest stack at his table near the bubble and all he had to do was fold for 30 minutes or so. Anyway the big stack was raising small every hand. Our hero ended up playing a hand JJ just to see a flop. As you can probably guess the flop was wonderful, J77. So the villain, the big stack, put him all in on the flop and our hero called. Villain had A3 off. Runner runner 7,7!!! The worst part is he had to explain to his wife why he didn’t have $15,000 after he promised her he would just fold every hand
That's crazy but the chances of runner runner quads is 0.1%. 99.9% of the time when he does that he will not only guarantee 15k, but have a good shot at winning millions. I know this means nothing to a family who could really use the money, but when explained like that, hopefully the wife didn't fault him.
After watching the video, which I enjoyed, I did feel the title was a bit of clickbait myself. The busted jacks-full example that you provided, especially coming runner, runner was much more a brutal "bad beat" even without the player's financial need aspect considered. Years ago, I was playing a $10 - $20 limit game in a tribal casino in WA. For the second time in the same session, at the same table, against the same opponent, I made Quad 9s while holding a pocket pair. I bet again at the river but got raised, I re-raised and got raised again! I doubt that I cost myself one extra $20 chip when I studied the board for a moment and said "I hope you have it!" as I tossed in another $20 raise. (A ten-high, straight flush was possible with the board's run-out.) My opponent was savvy and just called my last raise, asking in a somewhat disgusted tone as he did so: "You got those 9s again?" Sadly, my opponent only had pocket 10s for a full house. If he would have had the straight flush the entire table would have garnered a nice windfall; and my "loser's share" of the Bad Beat Jackpot at that time would have been over $93,000.
@@kinggrantking And he's snap-jamming with precisely _none_ of those said bluffs for $1M. Even the very first time I saw the river action, I thought that _both_ players acted far too quickly.
Yeah if you turned off the sound, covered the card graphics and just watched their reactions, it looked like Andy won and Mariano lost his kid's college fund.
I do want to say that I have seen the very possible worst hold em bad beat one time at a home game. It was AK of diamonds vs 89 of diamonds and they both got the straight flushes. For the game I was playing, it was a huge pot. So nuts!
Worst cooler I had was A10 of clubs. Board is 7,8,9,J of clubs and a filler. So I blocked Q 10 and made a raise on the river after my opponent checked. Needless to say opponent had 56 of clubs and shoved. Honestly should have folded looking back on it. Opponent can’t have any reasonable bluffs there. Turning KQ of clubs into a bluff would be insane and there are no other blockers.
He had that “holy crap what a hand,” look on his face but chose to quietly celebrate and Andy did likewise. So nice to see, especially when you see the other side of poker in all stakes, where there’s show boating and trash talking. Not good for the sport. Congratulations Mariano.
Mariano basically won the biggest pot of his life in a sick cooler. In a way, you feel bad for your opponent because you know that could easily happen to you. And also, a real professional knows to not touchdown dance on someone in a pot of this magnitude. Unless it’s like DNegs on Hellmuth because he’s basically got an open invite to troll (and neither will run out of money ever).
depends on what u mean by good for the sport. If you mean making the community put out content you personally find more respectable and enjoyable you’re right. if u mean attracting a bunch of dumbass fish to the game lower the skill required to make a living off of poker as a professional than you’re wrong. If you want to grow the game with recs that donate their stacks we want showboating and boasting. we want poker to look like a game revolving around drama and a clash of egos instead of a game about silently and logically considering your options. The latter reason is what scares so many people away. It’s the truth whether we like it or not
Mariano is such a gentleman. He has a very subdued demeanor after winning the hand. He knows this hand is a once in a lifetime cooler, and doesn't want to add insult to injury. Bravo Mariano! You are a good guy.
Back in 2018 twice did my ace high flush lose to a straight flush with no paired board. The first one was at Hustler and the second one was at Hawaiian Gardens.
Agree with the last point most of all. When you overbet river on an unpaired 4 flush board and you have the flushing A, if your opponent snap jams, they are either a complete and total fish or they have a straight flush. There is no third option. If there is no straight flush possible on the board, either you misread the board or your opponent did.
And this is why Doug hates the overbet sizing on the river. If you have the Ad there, then you _have_ to size down to get called by worse, or to have any chance of someone holding worse thinking that they can bluff you out of the hand. On that specific board, holding neither Kd _or_ Td, for that many BB, you have to be pretty intentional about your sizing... and about responding to a jam over any bet.
@@alistairwillock7266 yeah. Literally the only way you can bet this big is if you’re also turning hands like 8d7d into a bluff. Which many players wouldn’t bother to do this deep, because they often just have the best hand and aren’t interested in targeting the Td or Kd for folds. Maybe if your large bet was all of it, you can do that, but they still have a lot of stack left. I think betting something like $40k would’ve been better here. Andy will have the Ad more often IMO, so checking to check raise seems foolish.
Some high tier game flow. Andy may think Mariano will attack an unbalanced overbet range- assuming Mariano is thinking Andy's overbets range is unbalanced to bluffs
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From a professional point of view, I am sure folding odds are greater, but for the typical bottom feeders - as I am, we snap shove, thinking we always have the nutts. In Andy's case, he simply forgot he knew better and gets reminded that he does make mistakes 😂
The problem is, when you have Ax of diamonds your opponent can't have diamonds also because you have two blockers to diamonds and the way pros talk these days, blockers are 100% to negate all possibilities.
I’ve been seriously enjoying all the Doug content recently, and this is no exception. As to which format of [Say the Line] hands I prefer, I think I slightly prefer the older format. The slightly shorter form, less Doug-centric format of this video has its appeal for sure, but I watch Doug for Doug. It’s your personality that has kept me watching over the years. I can watch Bart for the drier nitty-gritty, but you’re entertaining in an unique way for poker content that only Joey even approaches (albeit in a completely different way). tl;dr I’m watching regardless, but I like the older way.
Haha happend to me once. I didnt realize that random 85s straight flash was possible. I had biggest suprise pickatchu face ever till i realized why dealer is moving chips from me
@@erikk17 In my early days playing live, I beat nut flushes with straight-flushes (two-card holdings for both players, both times) twice within a 6-month span... And just had no freaking clue how _insanely_ hot I was running. In both cases, I had the open-ended straight-flush draw and my ship came in. One of the victims turned his hand up and told me _"I have the nuts",_ only to hear me reply _"... not on that board you don't"._ I've since been on the other end of it a few times, and managed to _not_ go broke. When you have the nut flush on an un-paired board and get raised in 2023, you'd better pay serious attention to the board before you go buck-wild. If the straight flush is out there and you don't block it, you have to tread _really_ seriously at 400BB plus.
It's cool to see Andy comment on here recognizing that river play, props to you man...one thing that nobody has mentioned and is my personal opinion : i thought Andy clearly misread the fact that a straight flush was possible, meaning i thought that in his head he was thinking he had the nuts...the way he A. overbet the river, B. snap called the jam, C. tabled his hand FIRST which people only do in that manner when they think they have an unbeatable hand, D. did that thing right before tabling the hand where you quickly look at your cards 'double checking you have what you have', and E. immediately got up from the table to collect himself (i know you can argue it was a big loss but i'm fairly certain he's lost similarly large pots in the past and hasn't needed to get up from the table, so to me the manner which he did suggests he blundered and needed to get away for a few mins)...yes it was a cooler, but no reason someone of Andy's caliber should lose that much on the river the way the hand was played unless you misread something...anyway just my opinion
If you're gambling with half a million dollars and for a living, you aren't misreading boards. You don't make it this far in a poker career by making mistakes the common man would make.
Andy was gonna get killed in this hand regardless. It was pretty much unavoidable. The only question was if he could somehow find a fold when Mariano re-raised all-in on the river. You cannot assume that your opponent had the straight flush but I have no clue what else Mariano would be snap jamming with. In theory, maybe a bluff with a straight flush blocker but that seems quite unlikely in a cash game.
I said the same thing. My question would be what would Mariano be bluffing on the river with 4 diamonds showing on the board. There's not that many hands, the fact he 4 bet is the only reason one could consider he be bluffing with.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 Even so, in Andy's spot you _have_ to stop, get the count, realize that you're getting a billion to one, and realize _that your opponent knows that too, and snap-jammed ANYWAY._ River raises with no fold equity are the most extreme spots in the game, and when a (really good) thinking player does that anyway... yeah.
Realistically this hand is either the straight flush value betting or Mariano trying to get Andy to fold a weakish hand with an even worse hand. Nothing else really makes sense. Given the betting on the turn I find it hard to believe neither of them had a high diamond, so given that and the snap-jam it looks kinda like the first option. Hindsight is 20-20 and all that though.
It's funny how Doug said you have to be some sicko to bluff in Mariano shoes without the goods but Bill K did that repping quads against kims full house and got the fold. It's the only time I have ever seen that sort of bluff but also take in account Bills worth.
I think this is just a bad spot for Andy. Based on the preflop action, it’s really hard to put Mariano on K/10 diamonds. Holding the Ace of diamonds, and the action pre and on the flop, it’s safe to put him on Ks with the K of diamonds or AK, with the K of diamonds. With that being said, I don’t hate Andy’s river bet based on all that.
All the pre flop logic should be disregarded once Mariano snap raises all in on a four flush board. I agree with Doug that if you fold Andy’s hand every time to that small of a river raise in that spot “you will never be wrong”.
Ah, the paradox of poker. Only an absolute insane sicko would min-raise all-in bluff that spot and so they probably got the nuts, but only an absolute insane sicko would fold the nut-flush and so they probably a fool if they don't call.
With as much as Andy bet on the river its really impossible to fold. He just got fixated on the nut flush and didn't think about the hand. Great play though for both.
Realistically, would Doug ever have the inclination to fold this hand at any point? I can see maybe the river jam, but SPR would be a call 99.99% of the time.
I agree. No way you can get away from this hand. You wont play much poker if you see straight flushes or 4 of a kind when the action gets heavy. The odds will win over time. Won’t make a beat like this any more fun, but it’s probabilities (and their variances) that make poker go round.
I saw a guy fold TT on a flopped AAK at Hollywood casino in PA a few years ago when the BB Jackpot was over 700k. It was quad Tens qualifier. A guy when checked to bombed out with quad Aces and another guy got it in with Kings full on an A-A-K . It came running Tens. 99% of the people with quads would just check the flop but this guy was a complete newbie and just bombed it. Tens as played obviously has to fold but If quads checks then dude makes tens full and is never folding at that point. The dude got hauled out by police because he was so irate over it and basically told the guy he would kill him if he saw him outside of the casino. pure madness. That's the worst beat I ever saw.
Dang that’s crazy. Horrible time to flop a nut A high flush. I also once flopped a straight flush with J7 of hearts. Flop was 8 9 10 of hearts and I had a guy betting into me all the way. Won the high hand for the hour too.
Actually think Andy might have been able to get away from this if it was someone like Garrett raising this on the river. The overbet on the river plus the instacall of his raise kinda suggests he doesn't think as much of Mariano's game (or maybe he's just a bit tilted
I don't think it's that he doesn't think much of Mariano's game, he's a good player, but he plays an enormous range of hands very unpredictably, so even thinking of folding the second nuts against him in this situation is insanity.
A4s is a great cash game hand especially with deep stacks like this. Sure I can get behind a fold or a 4bet as well, but calling is also fine with this hand. If Mariano flops the K high flush instead of the straight flush he's probably donating quite a lot as well.
Great video Doug .................... I have both lost with AKs on 1097s and won holding 109s vs. AK on JQ8s. But worst moneywise is 66 vs 65 on 653 flop.
I prefer it this way to be honest. When you started out it was good to watch the hand as it plays through because in most cases I hadn’t seen the hands before. Nowadays almost all of us have seen the hand already, I don’t need to see it play out, then again with your commentary. To be honest I’ve been skipping parts of the video as a result. Much prefer it this way, please keep it! (And thank you for the insight!)
I witnessed a worse bad beat some years ago at the Sandia Casino in Albuquerque, NM. After the usual preflop raising 2 players were left. One player held the 7 8 of spades. The other player held the J Q of Spades. The flop came 9 10 J of spades, giving both players a straight flush. The one who suffered the bad beat received 40% of the $65,000 bad beat jackpot as a consolation prize.
At the casino had K9 suited vs a 54 suited. Flop came A23 for the absolute nuts. All the money went in at flop, and even lost to a third player who committed all his chips on just A8 who jagged runner, runner for a full house. Haven't been back the casino ever since :D
it's fun to watch, and i don't think very instructive. I can't imagine a bigger cooler when one player flops ace high flush and the other flops straight flush. Stacks were all going in the middle no matter how each played the flop, turn, and river. Your pre-flop insights were very informative, and I watched the whole thing because I wanted to see how both stacks would eventually get in the middle.
By shoving quickly, Mariano was repping a straight flush. If he merely had a king-high flush, his quick shoving could have pushed an Ace-high flush into folding. So that was brilliant. Also, Andy could have been repping a Queen-high flush, so his $120K river bet would seem like an overbet to induce a king of diamonds to call. Also a smart move. I disagree with Doug that the $120K bet was too large. I also disagree with Doug that Andy should have sniffed out the straight flush and folded. For an extra $130K in a $500K pot, and with the nut flush, he had little choice but to call, knowing that Mariano could easily jam with the king of diamonds only.
When the 4th diamond comes a player of Andy's calibre should not really lose as much as he did. As you pointed out, an overbet doesn't achieve much in that spot with his specific hand. What worse hands call an overbet of that size in that spot? Maybe, maybe KK with the Kd, calls on a livestream...even that I think is probably a fold. Then when Mariano jams, I think it has to be a fold. We have all seen Mariano play tens of thousands of hands on his channel and on HCL. He is too good to overvalue a worse hand and, whilst he can bluff, he doesn't have a history of bluffs of this magnitude. With Andy holding the Ad, and therefore knowing that Mariano isnt turning an Ax hand into a bluff...it's got to be a fold at that point.
The worst bad beat in POKER was when Arieh started with a 3-4-6 draw in triple draw in The Poker Players Championship, when trying to steal and running into #2, got three-bet, and 3-5-6 was essentially priced in. He turned 3-5-6 into a wheel.
@@williamthomas7488no it’s not. The guy who hit the royal flush flopped a gut shot straight draw, and he hit that draw on the turn. Just because the other guy happened to hit quads on the river while also giving the other guy a royal flush doesn’t make it a bad beat to end all bad beats.
The guy would not raise with anything at the end except the straight flush Andy having the ace of diamonds honestly shouldve easily realized that being the skilled player that he is
I think maybe the title should be "The worst cold deck in Hustler Casino Live history", since it`s not even really a "bad beat", as a bad beat usually implies having the best hand, and THEN getting outdrawn. This hand probably wouldn`t even make my top 50 list of bad beats/cold decks from playing over the last 30 years live and on-line.
I folded an A high flush once. But it was a 4/8 limit hold'em game and the Ace to 5 flush possibility was out there. Sure enough, they had the straight flush.
Doug. I agree this spot on the river definitely seems like Mariano has a straight flush. But straight flushes are very rare. Alternatively, could it be just as likely (although rare) that Mariano picked up on some sort of tell that Andy was weak (say a visual tell) and decided to bluff minraise the river? Is it always the straight flush here? Sometimes hands turn into street poker and people make crazy bluffs.
this is generally a good point, but Mariano is one of the more "play balanced against everyone at all times" players, if I'm not mistaken he doesn't adjust unless an opponent is wildly unbalanced. but in general definitely something to consider when your opponent seems to be repping a straight flush or nothing
If you're Andy, how are you going to 'read' that Mariano picked up a weak read on you, even though you have an ace high flush? Wouldn't Andy have to know that Mariano has a straight flush, in order to be psychologically aware that his own hand is weak? And if he knew that, how in TF is he going to make Mariano fold? Do people really think this out during a hand? It seems like massive over-thinking to me. PS how strong would M's read have to be, to bluff shove all of his chips with basically no fold-equity.
Analyising a hand needs to require the reasoning why the player chooses to play the way he played if possible not just call it how he should of played.(by the book)
“If Mariano had a 10 diamonds then bluffing that wouldn’t be bad every now and again” -- did you see how fast Andy snapped that off? Not sure you ever want to bluff that spot, find me a player folding what they are representing 😆
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Yes, this was a massive cooler but looking at the river play, it was also one of the worst hands I have EVER played in my career, a gigantic gift to Mariano that I will make sure never happens again. Thx for the breakdown Doug.
At least you have the ability to look back and acknowledge your mistakes. Obviously will improve your game moving forward.
Your reaction (or more so not reacting) when losing that hand is pure class. You should be proud of that. I think 99.9% of us would lose in that hand regardlass of who our opponent was. It's just so unlikely to flop this kind of hand.
We all lose our house, car, and mortgage there Andy. Nothing to be ashamed about when you say this is the worst hand you’ve played in your career
I know it absolutely sucked! But you handled it with class and I don't think any of us could've gotten away from it.
Andy you have the absolute worst luck. But you take every bad beat like a champ. It’s only a matter of time till the tides change. You are awesome.
Words you never hear- “I folded an ace high flush because I thought he had a straight flush”.
I did that early in my poker career but wouldn't do it today 😅
Best ive done is folded top boat vs quads 3500bb deep vs a mega-nit
@@marvellkanmomixa1997 I did it also on Pokerstars when there is 3 of a kind on the board for example KKK 94 and I have A9 the other guy is all in he has a KQ because when 3 kings are on the board on Pokerstars it's 90% chance the other guy has it. That happens very very often on Pokerstars, three of a kind on the board,. I played millions of hands live and it happened maybe 2 or 3 times in my entire life, on Pokerstars I played 500 k hands and this situation happened more than 2500 times and I lost every time I called about 1500 times before I learned I have to fold because the other guy had quads every fuking time. When I saw it happens all the time I started writing down in my notebook every time three of a kind is on the board and since I started taking notes it happened 2500 times and I lost 1500 and folded 1000 times and of those 1k hands that I folded 384 times the other guy showed quads and there is 98% posibility that remaining 616 times my opponent didn't show a hand he had it. But the main point is that first 1500 times since I started taking notes I lost with full house against quads. I wrote mail to pokerstars and asked them why this happens and they said it's completely normal and that happens to everyone.
3500bb? What the hell were you playing 1c 2c??@@marvellkanmomixa1997
I’ve done it before… still regret it to this day even though he never showed and I never told him what I had I’m pretty sure I was just a nit.
I really like the fact that Hustler and Lodge aren’t at war.
They are cooperating and we as the audience are the winners. Smart biz on both sides.
Nice to see!
There’s almost no reason for them to be at war. This is media and cost on the consumer is only time, if it cost money to see the videos then you can bet your ass they wouldn’t be playing nice
HCL is run by scam artists.
And great for WPT! The river play is weird, was really hoping for a 8d or 7d river.
The competition is all content based, and getting bigger players and bigger pots.
I feel like I have to chip in because of the title. There was a man who was close to the bubble of the main event WSOP, all he had to do was fold a few hands to guarantee his family $15,000. He was explaining to his wife (who knew nothing about poker) that he played a satellite and got a seat and he was the second biggest stack at his table near the bubble and all he had to do was fold for 30 minutes or so.
Anyway the big stack was raising small every hand. Our hero ended up playing a hand JJ just to see a flop. As you can probably guess the flop was wonderful, J77.
So the villain, the big stack, put him all in on the flop and our hero called. Villain had A3 off. Runner runner 7,7!!!
The worst part is he had to explain to his wife why he didn’t have $15,000 after he promised her he would just fold every hand
That's crazy but the chances of runner runner quads is 0.1%. 99.9% of the time when he does that he will not only guarantee 15k, but have a good shot at winning millions. I know this means nothing to a family who could really use the money, but when explained like that, hopefully the wife didn't fault him.
@joshualongo6660 To be fair, A-A run out adds about .3%. It's still an awful beat, but 250ish-1 is much different than 989-1.
After watching the video, which I enjoyed, I did feel the title was a bit of clickbait myself. The busted jacks-full example that you provided, especially coming runner, runner was much more a brutal "bad beat" even without the player's financial need aspect considered.
Years ago, I was playing a $10 - $20 limit game in a tribal casino in WA. For the second time in the same session, at the same table, against the same opponent, I made Quad 9s while holding a pocket pair. I bet again at the river but got raised, I re-raised and got raised again!
I doubt that I cost myself one extra $20 chip when I studied the board for a moment and said "I hope you have it!" as I tossed in another $20 raise. (A ten-high, straight flush was possible with the board's run-out.) My opponent was savvy and just called my last raise, asking in a somewhat disgusted tone as he did so: "You got those 9s again?" Sadly, my opponent only had pocket 10s for a full house. If he would have had the straight flush the entire table would have garnered a nice windfall; and my "loser's share" of the Bad Beat Jackpot at that time would have been over $93,000.
That sounds hilarious!
Andy is a true class act and the definition of a quite professional. Handled that cooler like a true pro
By walking away without counting out the chips he owed?
@@B3Band bro it was half a million, that's what a dealer is for in moments like this lol..
"Don´t fold strong hands on the river"
Also Doug:
"Yea, that nut flush just fold it for the rest of your life and your good"
To a jam that's also a min-raise.
@@codetaku So if Mariano jammed $1M then Andy should call? Pot odds?
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 If the effective stack was actually $1 million larger then yes, absolutely Mariano has more bluffs there.
@@kinggrantking And he's snap-jamming with precisely _none_ of those said bluffs for $1M. Even the very first time I saw the river action, I thought that _both_ players acted far too quickly.
You must be highly regarded with that comment - context matters
Andy handled himself like a true professional
Always does. So did Garrett.
Blows mind still how well he handles beats and coolers. Easily one of the best players I've seen. A true professional.
@@Mike-qo4kp, agree. Classy guy.
What else would you expect him to do? Blame the dealer?
Who cares probably not even his money 😂
Some of the best commentary I've ever heard - even compare to other videos from you, Doug.
Thank you so much.
Doug! Please continue this video format. Was excellent to watch and kept me more engaged than other videos.
Seconded, this video made me a subscriber. More like this please!
Yeah if you turned off the sound, covered the card graphics and just watched their reactions, it looked like Andy won and Mariano lost his kid's college fund.
Mariano took this win with massive dignity tough spot for Andy.
I do want to say that I have seen the very possible worst hold em bad beat one time at a home game. It was AK of diamonds vs 89 of diamonds and they both got the straight flushes. For the game I was playing, it was a huge pot. So nuts!
Worst cooler I had was A10 of clubs. Board is 7,8,9,J of clubs and a filler. So I blocked Q 10 and made a raise on the river after my opponent checked. Needless to say opponent had 56 of clubs and shoved. Honestly should have folded looking back on it. Opponent can’t have any reasonable bluffs there. Turning KQ of clubs into a bluff would be insane and there are no other blockers.
@@aaronpuetz4394 Hello, little bit confused, if you have the A 10 of clubs, you win this hand surely? Am I missing something?
@williamdoyle2063 other player had straight flush w his 57...789. A 10 was just a flush, ace high.
@@williamdoyle2063 You are correct, not missing anything. He would have had J-7 straight flush.
@@williamdoyle2063 you're missing that he had an Ace of clubs with 10 offsuit, so he just had an ace high flush. he described it terribly
He had that “holy crap what a hand,” look on his face but chose to quietly celebrate and Andy did likewise. So nice to see, especially when you see the other side of poker in all stakes, where there’s show boating and trash talking. Not good for the sport. Congratulations Mariano.
Mariano basically won the biggest pot of his life in a sick cooler. In a way, you feel bad for your opponent because you know that could easily happen to you. And also, a real professional knows to not touchdown dance on someone in a pot of this magnitude. Unless it’s like DNegs on Hellmuth because he’s basically got an open invite to troll (and neither will run out of money ever).
depends on what u mean by good for the sport. If you mean making the community put out content you personally find more respectable and enjoyable you’re right. if u mean attracting a bunch of dumbass fish to the game lower the skill required to make a living off of poker as a professional than you’re wrong.
If you want to grow the game with recs that donate their stacks we want showboating and boasting. we want poker to look like a game revolving around drama and a clash of egos instead of a game about silently and logically considering your options. The latter reason is what scares so many people away. It’s the truth whether we like it or not
It's a card game, not a sport.
this could not happen easily bro@@hornetguy9063
What are you doing here seeing this video@@aheroictaxidriver3180
Mariano is such a gentleman. He has a very subdued demeanor after winning the hand. He knows this hand is a once in a lifetime cooler, and doesn't want to add insult to injury. Bravo Mariano! You are a good guy.
Back in 2018 twice did my ace high flush lose to a straight flush with no paired board. The first one was at Hustler and the second one was at Hawaiian Gardens.
10:57 - I’m so glad you caught yourself saying this and then smoothly called yourself out on it. Gave me a good laugh. ❤
Agree with the last point most of all. When you overbet river on an unpaired 4 flush board and you have the flushing A, if your opponent snap jams, they are either a complete and total fish or they have a straight flush. There is no third option. If there is no straight flush possible on the board, either you misread the board or your opponent did.
And this is why Doug hates the overbet sizing on the river. If you have the Ad there, then you _have_ to size down to get called by worse, or to have any chance of someone holding worse thinking that they can bluff you out of the hand. On that specific board, holding neither Kd _or_ Td, for that many BB, you have to be pretty intentional about your sizing... and about responding to a jam over any bet.
@@alistairwillock7266 yeah. Literally the only way you can bet this big is if you’re also turning hands like 8d7d into a bluff. Which many players wouldn’t bother to do this deep, because they often just have the best hand and aren’t interested in targeting the Td or Kd for folds. Maybe if your large bet was all of it, you can do that, but they still have a lot of stack left.
I think betting something like $40k would’ve been better here. Andy will have the Ad more often IMO, so checking to check raise seems foolish.
This is my favorite take so far. However, IIRC Mariano was staggering drunk at this point of the game, so maybe Andy thought he hooked a big one?
Some high tier game flow. Andy may think Mariano will attack an unbalanced overbet range- assuming Mariano is thinking Andy's overbets range is unbalanced to bluffs
Nice try one time my 2 pair got snapped by a back door flush
AQ beat my AK once. I've never forgot
That's better than your backdoor being snapped by 2 pair
@@LanceBeckman shit, q7 beat my q9 on a qq2 flop , on the river to a 7 🥴
I watched my friend win AA vs AA in a tournament once. So stupid.
Who cares about all these stories
Doug’s hand breakdowns are seriously next level
Facts
I could give this comment a thumbs up, thumbs down or simply scroll past without giving a second thought. I like all options but we choose to actually leave a comment instead, now, let’s take a turn.
Very insightful analysis Doug, thank you.
From a professional point of view, I am sure folding odds are greater, but for the typical bottom feeders - as I am, we snap shove, thinking we always have the nutts. In Andy's case, he simply forgot he knew better and gets reminded that he does make mistakes 😂
Definitely a good lesson at the end in bet pacing.
The problem is, when you have Ax of diamonds your opponent can't have diamonds also because you have two blockers to diamonds and the way pros talk these days, blockers are 100% to negate all possibilities.
Mariano is so humble he knows he was blessed with that and outcome. Andy is solid, took that uppercut like a true pro.
Not the same without face cam ;)
I’ve been seriously enjoying all the Doug content recently, and this is no exception. As to which format of [Say the Line] hands I prefer, I think I slightly prefer the older format. The slightly shorter form, less Doug-centric format of this video has its appeal for sure, but I watch Doug for Doug. It’s your personality that has kept me watching over the years. I can watch Bart for the drier nitty-gritty, but you’re entertaining in an unique way for poker content that only Joey even approaches (albeit in a completely different way).
tl;dr I’m watching regardless, but I like the older way.
Everyone would go broke in this spot. Andy took it so well, props to him.
Haha happend to me once. I didnt realize that random 85s straight flash was possible. I had biggest suprise pickatchu face ever till i realized why dealer is moving chips from me
@@erikk17 In my early days playing live, I beat nut flushes with straight-flushes (two-card holdings for both players, both times) twice within a 6-month span... And just had no freaking clue how _insanely_ hot I was running. In both cases, I had the open-ended straight-flush draw and my ship came in. One of the victims turned his hand up and told me _"I have the nuts",_ only to hear me reply _"... not on that board you don't"._
I've since been on the other end of it a few times, and managed to _not_ go broke. When you have the nut flush on an un-paired board and get raised in 2023, you'd better pay serious attention to the board before you go buck-wild. If the straight flush is out there and you don't block it, you have to tread _really_ seriously at 400BB plus.
I wouldn’t, easy fold
Dude literally lost a decent sized house in most of America in one pot, and just calmly walked away to cool off.
Pretty standard fold
It's cool to see Andy comment on here recognizing that river play, props to you man...one thing that nobody has mentioned and is my personal opinion : i thought Andy clearly misread the fact that a straight flush was possible, meaning i thought that in his head he was thinking he had the nuts...the way he A. overbet the river, B. snap called the jam, C. tabled his hand FIRST which people only do in that manner when they think they have an unbeatable hand, D. did that thing right before tabling the hand where you quickly look at your cards 'double checking you have what you have', and E. immediately got up from the table to collect himself (i know you can argue it was a big loss but i'm fairly certain he's lost similarly large pots in the past and hasn't needed to get up from the table, so to me the manner which he did suggests he blundered and needed to get away for a few mins)...yes it was a cooler, but no reason someone of Andy's caliber should lose that much on the river the way the hand was played unless you misread something...anyway just my opinion
He snapped call the jam because he was pot-committed.
If you're gambling with half a million dollars and for a living, you aren't misreading boards. You don't make it this far in a poker career by making mistakes the common man would make.
No intro, straight into business... that's some new era editorial concept
Andy was gonna get killed in this hand regardless. It was pretty much unavoidable. The only question was if he could somehow find a fold when Mariano re-raised all-in on the river.
You cannot assume that your opponent had the straight flush but I have no clue what else Mariano would be snap jamming with. In theory, maybe a bluff with a straight flush blocker but that seems quite unlikely in a cash game.
I said the same thing. My question would be what would Mariano be bluffing on the river with 4 diamonds showing on the board. There's not that many hands, the fact he 4 bet is the only reason one could consider he be bluffing with.
Good point, and I guess a straight flush is around 1/72,000 hands.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 Even so, in Andy's spot you _have_ to stop, get the count, realize that you're getting a billion to one, and realize _that your opponent knows that too, and snap-jammed ANYWAY._ River raises with no fold equity are the most extreme spots in the game, and when a (really good) thinking player does that anyway... yeah.
@@alistairwillock7266 This is all way over my head... what kinds of worse hand can M snap-jam, with four diamonds on the board?
Realistically this hand is either the straight flush value betting or Mariano trying to get Andy to fold a weakish hand with an even worse hand. Nothing else really makes sense.
Given the betting on the turn I find it hard to believe neither of them had a high diamond, so given that and the snap-jam it looks kinda like the first option. Hindsight is 20-20 and all that though.
It's funny how Doug said you have to be some sicko to bluff in Mariano shoes without the goods but Bill K did that repping quads against kims full house and got the fold. It's the only time I have ever seen that sort of bluff but also take in account Bills worth.
I think this is just a bad spot for Andy. Based on the preflop action, it’s really hard to put Mariano on K/10 diamonds. Holding the Ace of diamonds, and the action pre and on the flop, it’s safe to put him on Ks with the K of diamonds or AK, with the K of diamonds. With that being said, I don’t hate Andy’s river bet based on all that.
Agree 100 % the four bet pre with the k10 makes this hand impossible to get away from without the board pairing.
All the pre flop logic should be disregarded once Mariano snap raises all in on a four flush board. I agree with Doug that if you fold Andy’s hand every time to that small of a river raise in that spot “you will never be wrong”.
Love the new video style. I usually understand about 80% of what you're talking about but this time it was around 95%.
The odds of you making a straight flush and your opponent having the nut flush on a non-paired board must be astronomical.
Great hand analysis as usual
17:20 "He could have the Ace-Nine of diamonds"...uh, no he can't. LOL.
Yes, I feel like both players can't have the same card during the same hand.
I think he meant to say A8 - that would have made sense.
In nerd GTO land anything can happen!
Flopping a K high straight flush... It's Mariono's world and we're just living in it.
I like how much analysis we got out of a cooler! Great vid.
Ah, the paradox of poker. Only an absolute insane sicko would min-raise all-in bluff that spot and so they probably got the nuts, but only an absolute insane sicko would fold the nut-flush and so they probably a fool if they don't call.
Good point, and that's how Mariano leveled him while he was stumbling drunk.
With as much as Andy bet on the river its really impossible to fold. He just got fixated on the nut flush and didn't think about the hand. Great play though for both.
So true. Looks like Andy didn't even consider the possibility of a straight flush.. All the time he had Mariano on Kd
I just love your always catchy titles, Doug :)))
Realistically, would Doug ever have the inclination to fold this hand at any point? I can see maybe the river jam, but SPR would be a call 99.99% of the time.
There was a time when he folded 2nd nut straight 10,7vs hellmuth 10,Q nut straight in an 89J flop. He can do sick plays too.
I agree. No way you can get away from this hand. You wont play much poker if you see straight flushes or 4 of a kind when the action gets heavy. The odds will win over time. Won’t make a beat like this any more fun, but it’s probabilities (and their variances) that make poker go round.
I saw a guy fold TT on a flopped AAK at Hollywood casino in PA a few years ago when the BB Jackpot was over 700k. It was quad Tens qualifier. A guy when checked to bombed out with quad Aces and another guy got it in with Kings full on an A-A-K . It came running Tens. 99% of the people with quads would just check the flop but this guy was a complete newbie and just bombed it. Tens as played obviously has to fold but If quads checks then dude makes tens full and is never folding at that point. The dude got hauled out by police because he was so irate over it and basically told the guy he would kill him if he saw him outside of the casino. pure madness. That's the worst beat I ever saw.
"I've not looked into many 1500 sims". Quality assurance here
Really like the breakdown doug. Very informative
Andy also kinda priced himself in with that river bet sizing. Gotta consider betting less for that reason too.
Mariano just hit flops like he can mentally control what comes out.
Dang that’s crazy. Horrible time to flop a nut A high flush. I also once flopped a straight flush with J7 of hearts. Flop was 8 9 10 of hearts and I had a guy betting into me all the way. Won the high hand for the hour too.
Cool story bro, no one cares.
trust me, in microstakes this is never a fold. like never ever ever. they hold everything from a pair to nuts
Can you imagine how tilted you would be, if you lost 2,500 BB on a 1c/2c hand, by folding an ace high flush to a pair?
Not the worst. The worst I remember was early in the WSOP Main Event some 15+ years ago. Royal flush vs quad aces. Ouch.
what audio are you using that captures the chip sounds and ambient crowd noise but not the live mics? are u using asmr casino audio or something?
Spontaneously, I like the old format better, but maybe that's just because I'm so used to it.
Loved this, Doug there is another cooler Mariono had aces please make a video on this again on hustlers casino.
“It’s, it’s pretty good for the K-10 of diamonds 😂😂😂😂
Didn't hate this format but prefer the other Polker hands video style.
The worst bad beat in history has yet to come. Play safe on HCL milly game Doug...😅
Hi Doug
Any chance you can find that Linus hand you referenced?
Brutal! Hope for Andy’s sake that was just 2 weeks of lost winnings! :(
Lol, only on the last minute I understood that I was watching this video thinking Andy is Mariano and Mariano is Andy 😂😂
Doug always sounds like he’s reading a script. Cmon man
Nice breakdown Doug!
Actually think Andy might have been able to get away from this if it was someone like Garrett raising this on the river. The overbet on the river plus the instacall of his raise kinda suggests he doesn't think as much of Mariano's game (or maybe he's just a bit tilted
He had the 3ed nuts. If it wasn't Mariano and was someone like Vertucci, he probably could get away from it.
@@philliesphanatic6020 he had the 2nd nuts
@@philliesphanatic6020 Nittucci 4betting K10s ? cmon lets be serious please
I don't think it's that he doesn't think much of Mariano's game, he's a good player, but he plays an enormous range of hands very unpredictably, so even thinking of folding the second nuts against him in this situation is insanity.
@@youbluethatone1017im gonna be so real it was not the second nuts
A4s is a great cash game hand especially with deep stacks like this. Sure I can get behind a fold or a 4bet as well, but calling is also fine with this hand. If Mariano flops the K high flush instead of the straight flush he's probably donating quite a lot as well.
The amount of times someone is going to have the k diamond is going to happen way way more times than this
@@fiddynutz68 How often will M raise-shove $300K with four diamonds on the board, and Kd?
Great video Doug .................... I have both lost with AKs on 1097s and won holding 109s vs. AK on JQ8s. But worst moneywise is 66 vs 65 on 653 flop.
If you had the 66 and _lost,_ well Jesus.
And for his next trick Mariano will go on a tour to trigger the bad beat jackpot in every casino in California
I prefer it this way to be honest. When you started out it was good to watch the hand as it plays through because in most cases I hadn’t seen the hands before.
Nowadays almost all of us have seen the hand already, I don’t need to see it play out, then again with your commentary. To be honest I’ve been skipping parts of the video as a result. Much prefer it this way, please keep it!
(And thank you for the insight!)
Any Mariano clip can be summed up very quickly. "Mariano is a luck box, and wins again." - The End
ABSOLUTELY LOVING THIS CONTENT
Always nice analysis, keep it going! And try to alternate between cash and tournament hands. 👍🏻
No the worst bad beat in poker history is having Quad Aces and losing to a royal flush!
Does someone has the link for llinus vs berry hand which Doug mentioned?
I witnessed a worse bad beat some years ago at the Sandia Casino in Albuquerque, NM. After the usual preflop raising 2 players were left. One player held the 7 8 of spades. The other player held the J Q of Spades. The flop came 9 10 J of spades, giving both players a straight flush. The one who suffered the bad beat received 40% of the $65,000 bad beat jackpot as a consolation prize.
You must mean he held queen king of spades as he can't hold the jack if there is one on the board
At the casino had K9 suited vs a 54 suited. Flop came A23 for the absolute nuts. All the money went in at flop, and even lost to a third player who committed all his chips on just A8 who jagged runner, runner for a full house. Haven't been back the casino ever since :D
i was not ready for that haircut
Is Andy a winning poker player? He always seemed to lose overall on live at the bike, surprised his still playing tbh.
Absolute class shown by both players
NO ONE is ever folding that hand One of those hands you can’t do anything about it. Unless you told pre flop
it's fun to watch, and i don't think very instructive. I can't imagine a bigger cooler when one player flops ace high flush and the other flops straight flush.
Stacks were all going in the middle no matter how each played the flop, turn, and river.
Your pre-flop insights were very informative, and I watched the whole thing because I wanted to see how both stacks would eventually get in the middle.
" and the flop is a banger "
This was one of the best hands of all time. Funny as hell to watch.
By shoving quickly, Mariano was repping a straight flush. If he merely had a king-high flush, his quick shoving could have pushed an Ace-high flush into folding. So that was brilliant. Also, Andy could have been repping a Queen-high flush, so his $120K river bet would seem like an overbet to induce a king of diamonds to call. Also a smart move. I disagree with Doug that the $120K bet was too large. I also disagree with Doug that Andy should have sniffed out the straight flush and folded. For an extra $130K in a $500K pot, and with the nut flush, he had little choice but to call, knowing that Mariano could easily jam with the king of diamonds only.
I have no idea what Polk is talking about. I use his explanations to fall asleep
One time my two pair got wrecked by a straight
Yeah I would've played it the same way, and never believed that Mariano had the straight flush, just cause the rarity of it happening and all.
This hand setup and run out should be illegal. Definitely a felony punishable by law and should not exist. Brutal.
When the 4th diamond comes a player of Andy's calibre should not really lose as much as he did. As you pointed out, an overbet doesn't achieve much in that spot with his specific hand. What worse hands call an overbet of that size in that spot? Maybe, maybe KK with the Kd, calls on a livestream...even that I think is probably a fold. Then when Mariano jams, I think it has to be a fold. We have all seen Mariano play tens of thousands of hands on his channel and on HCL. He is too good to overvalue a worse hand and, whilst he can bluff, he doesn't have a history of bluffs of this magnitude. With Andy holding the Ad, and therefore knowing that Mariano isnt turning an Ax hand into a bluff...it's got to be a fold at that point.
The worst bad beat in POKER was when Arieh started with a 3-4-6 draw in triple draw in The Poker Players Championship, when trying to steal and running into #2, got three-bet, and 3-5-6 was essentially priced in.
He turned 3-5-6 into a wheel.
Have you seen the Quad Aces versus Royal Flush in the WOSP? The odds of that are 1 in 669 million... id say thats a worse bad beat :)
@@williamthomas7488no it’s not. The guy who hit the royal flush flopped a gut shot straight draw, and he hit that draw on the turn. Just because the other guy happened to hit quads on the river while also giving the other guy a royal flush doesn’t make it a bad beat to end all bad beats.
The guy would not raise with anything at the end except the straight flush Andy having the ace of diamonds honestly shouldve easily realized that being the skilled player that he is
I don’t think anyone can fold are high flush. I rather lose it all to straight flush then get bluff.
Nah still has to be Roble losing with Quad 9’s to Quad Qs or that WSOP hand where it was Quad Aces Vs the Royal Flush
I'm gonna write a book "How to fold nut flushes on unpaired boards". Gonna be a bestseller. SIgn up for advanced copies.
I think maybe the title should be "The worst cold deck in Hustler Casino Live history", since it`s not even really a "bad beat", as a bad beat usually implies having the best hand, and THEN getting outdrawn. This hand probably wouldn`t even make my top 50 list of bad beats/cold decks from playing over the last 30 years live and on-line.
I folded an A high flush once. But it was a 4/8 limit hold'em game and the Ace to 5 flush possibility was out there. Sure enough, they had the straight flush.
Doug you forgot to make an intro
When you rep Ace of diamonds and they fire back like it is nothing you have to realize they have the goods.
Doug. I agree this spot on the river definitely seems like Mariano has a straight flush. But straight flushes are very rare. Alternatively, could it be just as likely (although rare) that Mariano picked up on some sort of tell that Andy was weak (say a visual tell) and decided to bluff minraise the river? Is it always the straight flush here? Sometimes hands turn into street poker and people make crazy bluffs.
this is generally a good point, but Mariano is one of the more "play balanced against everyone at all times" players, if I'm not mistaken he doesn't adjust unless an opponent is wildly unbalanced. but in general definitely something to consider when your opponent seems to be repping a straight flush or nothing
If you're Andy, how are you going to 'read' that Mariano picked up a weak read on you, even though you have an ace high flush? Wouldn't Andy have to know that Mariano has a straight flush, in order to be psychologically aware that his own hand is weak? And if he knew that, how in TF is he going to make Mariano fold?
Do people really think this out during a hand? It seems like massive over-thinking to me. PS how strong would M's read have to be, to bluff shove all of his chips with basically no fold-equity.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 Mariano is representing a straight flush or a bluff
Analyising a hand needs to require the reasoning why the player chooses to play the way he played if possible not just call it how he should of played.(by the book)
You could say he got... Stacked!
Airball trying to trash talk Tony G at the million dollar game will be Gold😂
I don't think he will tbh.
Bad news for you, Tony G dropped out
@@jamesturner9768 Probably a wise decision TBH. I'm not sure that he's been playing enough recently to go to war that deep with those hardened degens.
10:01 you mean STRAIGHT flush !! 😂😂😂😂😂
“If Mariano had a 10 diamonds then bluffing that wouldn’t be bad every now and again” -- did you see how fast Andy snapped that off? Not sure you ever want to bluff that spot, find me a player folding what they are representing 😆