The Other Worst Character in Melee
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I remember hearing someone say that Kirby was probably one of the first characters developed for Melee, and he became a victim of power creep as more characters were added, and I think it makes sense
imagine a melee where every character is as strong as kirby
If that’s true, that… actually would explain a lot. Not fundamentally broken stuff like mashable throws and the stupidly weak aerial hammer, but why he’s so weak in general.
Did this person have a source?
It also makes sense for Bowser, considering his popularity and fan polls wanting him in the game, I could see them starting work on him early in the process.
It makes me wonder when he was actually developed because we can tell this through the debug mode melee has
@@FedoraKirb
I love the story behind the thumbnails. In the previous video about the worst character in Melee we have Bowser picking up a flower, and on this one we see that he's giving it to Kirby, the other worst character.
that's so cute!!!
That's so wholesome
The hidden lore
thats some Yugioh card type shit
Good thing I wasn't the only 1
The biggest advantage of playing Kirby is that every stock you somehow manage to take inches your opponent one step closer to having a stroke, which by extreme technicality counts as a win.
Kirby wins! Fatality!
This is called a "Medical Forfeit".
@@calook1334 see I'd call it "the medical skill issue" but that works too lmao
I like tater tots
@@TheIndianAlien ai liek toter tats
Fun fact: in Ultimate, where Kirby gets his Melee dash attack back (with some buffs), an in-game tip EXPLICITLY mentions that Kirby's dash attack WILL NOT go off ledges (which it won't), a nod to how it used to do this in Melee.
As someone who doesn't play Melee I was thrown off when he just fell off the stage mid-attack. Does any other dash attack in the series do that? It just looks so wrong lol.
@@gregoryford2532 Literally no other dash attack in the game has this pointed out for it. You'd know that if you had basic inference skills.
@@gregoryford2532 sad dum dum moment
@@TheLobsterCopter5000 While it potentially is a nod to Melee, there's also the fact that it's a dash attack where the user is airborne, so the natural assumption is that you *would* fall off ledge using it.
Does anyone know if any brawl dash attacks do this? In PM/P+, DK's dash attack goes off ledges and, unlike kirby's, it's actually not bad and you can do get some crazy followup afterwards.
Seriously who thought Kirby’s b-throw should remove all of his jumps and both b-throw and f-throw can just be jumped out of at any time?
Up throw removes your jumps as well, so his really only viable throw is down throw 💀
One of the handsome Japanese men presented in the video I'd reckon
If you up-throw at ledge you can do a suicide kill, but it also removes your jumps, so sometimes it's just suicide.
I believe that the intention was to make it so you can’t suicide kills, but you can jump out way earlier than needed
The same company that thought port priority was good.
Fun fact: I believe in an interview Sakurai said that Kirby being your first character in WoL isn't (entirely) bias. He said it's cause Kirby's one of the 3 characters Sakurai thinks could canonically survive Galeem's attack. The other two being Palutena and Bayo. He chose Kirby from those three because he's the most beginner friendly. (Tho it could totally still be bias lol)
Its probably a bit of bias and the fact that Kirby is a little bit easier to play. Personally I think Palutena and Bayonetta should of been characters that can be playable at the beginning as well.
smash lore lol
Well I mean Kirby is a god slaying Eldritch monstrosity so uh
@@liammclin5722 which makes sense i know Palutena is a Goddess but not much outside of that. Bayonetta has also killed a resurrected God in the first game and another God in the second.
Honestly, Shulk would have a better chance than Palutena. Palu loses a straight fight with Pit for a start.
Fun fact: If Kirby's up smash collides with a sword attack, you'll hear the same "TING" sound effect that plays when two blades collide. This also happens with Mewtwo's tail.
so that's why we have never seen his feet, they are actually just knifes! that makes sense
kirby has a sword in his shoe he’s cheating
@@MIKIMAHI_Ltd. why do you think his up air is so good
@@kizrgd of all swords he has the wii u buster sword ??
@@MIKIMAHI_Ltd. a mix of that and permanent roy sweet spot, COMBINED with permanent marth tipper, both in melee, and also melee falcon kick
2:56 Ive seen this clip 20+ times and I just realized Zain picks up his controller for him. That's really great sportsmanship in a moment where most could argue he didn't really need too. Good on Zain.
From what I've seen Zain seems to be an incredibly sweet guy.
It's the little things. What a bro.
Don't think most people can say they'd act like that after losing a big set and the winner is screaming behind them. Not that I blame Hbox either but like, damn dude
@@retronymph Nah I do blame Hbox lmao. Screaming and jumping up like that makes sense when you're on a massive stage with hundreds of people watching and cheering, not when you're in a little room with like 6 other people, none of whom even reacted when you won lmao. He could've at LEAST shook Zain's hand before freaking out but nope. Shitty sportsmanship, zero manners, but very typical for him so.
@@jessicastjames6202 Bro hes just hyped
As has been said before by a big yellow TH-camr, Kirby in Melee is like eating a bowl of Lucky Charms with water. None of it is good, but some of it is a bit less bad.
A yes da goat
I'd love a collab between these two.
I love seeing a bunch of Big Yellow quotes on random videos
What is their name
Glad to see some Big Yellow recognition. They're kinda GOATed with the sauce ngl
Sakurai looks 20 years older in that old picture than he does now
Success will do that to you
@@hahathatsgreat2 More like a ton of make-up compared to having not all on the older picture.
Asian youth poition
Hope that wasn't offensive or harsh it was a compliment in case you're wondering
@@tomstonemale Yes, he can afford it now.
Vampire confirmed
Honestly for the hitboxes it seems like kirbys issue was actually having accurate hitboxes. Shoulda known that wouldn't fly in melee
Someone had to take one for the team and get all the normal hitboxes so everyone else could get all that sweet sweet melee jank
Well it’s a good think Wii for didn’t exist during melee
Her hit boxes are way too accurate to her model
@@jmurray1110 her?
@@ABC-ik9vj Default wii fit is female and basically no one plays male
Well haging accurate hitboxes is really only an issue cuz hes a tiny ball with no limbs, so hitboxes arent going to be his strength anyway. But since everything about him otherwise is also shit hes just fucked
A decade later and I'm still catching strays LMAO
Good vid as always AsumSaus
feels bad man
You'll learn the matchup in the future. I believe in the prime blur adaptation
1000th like
MY MANS YOU OLD.
Bro
I only played as Kirby in Melee for two reasons.
1. Camp and spam his taunt
2. Inhale and jump off the edge, spit out and float back to safety.
now this is a giga chad playstyle I can get behind
i think youd be good friends with chudat lol
You wouldn't happen to play Slippi, would you?
A true fan of the game right there. I play Bowser on Slippi (on days where everyone isn't quitting the moment they see Bowser) just to try and move as nicely as possible to make Bowser look as smooth as possible. Mostly just a lot of edge-cancelled aerials and wave movement, especially wavelands since his jump-squat takes like 2 minutes.
Haiiiiiii
There really is nothing else like your editing, comedy, and line delivery. It’s always a gift seeing you upload. Keep up the fantastic work man.
Yeah, 1/2 the reason I've subbed is because the information he presents is shown with more style than the summation of my entire life.
Absolutely. My favorite creators are the ones who work hard on their videos for a long time. Their videos are almost always better, and AsumSaus is no exception.
I just said something like this to myself as soon as the video ended. There's no one like AsumSaus, nor there will be.
theres Shounic but thats not smash
@Don't Read My Profile Photo bruh i am seeing you everwhere, so are you spying on me?!?!?
I've seen 3:03 many times, but I never noticed that Zain picked up hbox's controller and gently laid it on the chair. That's kind of beautiful to be honest.
What a nice guy
And now he’s number 1 in the world
lol this is the first thing i noticed when watching the clip
Even if Kirby is a bad character, the Kirby mains are literal gods, beating you to death in 50 different ways with a bottom tier character.
Finally someone who can prove this guy wrong!
Thank you very much
Kirby has a big advantage, adaptability! A good player will take sheer advantage of that!
Triple R in his prime was absolutely terrifying
In ultimate he’s D tier but he’s like EASY to main
I play Kirby because I resonate with him on a spiritual level and no amount of developer oversight can take that away from me
Love that for you king 👑
So you both literally suck?
same hes my main on smash 4 and 64
At least he's pretty decent in Ultimate.
I do too, since smash 64 the only game i played for the smash series i always have him as my main and he´s also my favourite video game charecter... its a shame he was the worst on melee with bowser. but he became decent in the other smash games and he was soo goodand Op in smash 64.
Kirby's not a bad character; he's just holding back his true power.
He let the rest of the cast have some fun
Keep thinking that
@@TrueTrickster2016 My guy Kirby literally destroys anyone in the entire Smash cast (not just Melee) based on his canonical power, only like Pyra/Mythra and Sora have a legitimate chane of beating him, so yeah he is indeed holding back
Delusional
He doesn't want to get banned from low level tournaments.
"half conscious, piss-drunk Armada"
💀💀💀
One little note that makes Kirby's Up B worse is that it has no rising hitbox, so the opponent can really safely hit him while he's recovering with it
Dude pjiggles the jigglypuff TH-camr is a supporter of this man
I love the idea that Kirby, a being that kills demons straight from hell on a weekly basis and literally survived the extinction of the end of a universe, sucks at hand-to-hand combat. Guess nobody has destroyed his cake yet.
I like to imagine that Kirby views them all as his friends and prefers not to unleash his true power against them
@@n.andkirby He knew what happened in 64 and decided to have mercy.
@@n.andkirby in 64, he simply saw everything as a competition and did not hold back. But in Melee and other subsequent games, he’s grown to see the other smashes as friends and thus takes it easier on them
i love the lore explaining why Kirby is caca in melee. he wants his new friends to have fun after destroying them in 64 lmao
The stronger you are canonically, the shittier you are in Smash (e.g Ganondorf)
His aerial Side-b is actually so bad
ok
It is one of those moves that you ask "what was the point of this? What is it trying to do?"
Is your house big? Is your car nice?
Bad on paper good in practice, it lets him do an aerial shorthop at any time and its goot as a mixup advancing option as the slow hitbox throws a looot of people off. People dont know how to handle it man, and it can do like 15% before a followup
What a surprise to see you here Mr. Attenborough of PS Speedrunning.
I remember being actually pissed that Kirby was so bad even as a kid. I tried so hard to use him anyways because I loved him.
Least he's really fun in Ultimate.
Have you watched Guilheew, that player pilots kirby like a god
Hah! You're a disgrace!
I managed to beat Very Hard for each mode and also Showdown (in 2 minutes)!, IM THE BEST KIRBY PLAYER IN THE WORLD
I just don't have the resources to enter any contest right now, not even a PC to connect to some private match
Man I remember being Kirby at first in melee as a kid, landing so many dash attacks and never managing to win. It does blow so hard.
You know what isn't bottom tier? Your editing. Immaculate and clean, on point and clear. Good job, it's always a pleasure when you upload.
glazin'
@@GianEditss glazin glizzy
I like to think (despite validity) that Kirby is bad in Melee because he's too... normal. Many hitboxes are more realistic, and many of the better characters rely on some sort of exploit or mistake in the design. This may be an excuse, but especially with how fun he is, that's just fine with me.
Edit: Another comment mentioned he may have been designed earlier than the others, and that could pair with this. They had a style, but concepts changed as the rest of the game developed. (again, more breaks and such as well)
Wrong
Save for his throws, Kirby's kit in general is just underwhelming, there is no fatal flaw that ruins the character, nor a certified "melee moment™" in him, he is just plain Bad in everything
normal? does his f-Smash seems normal to you?
@@elmaionesosexo ok
No he's just bad, even if he hits with this mediocre hit boxes he does no damage, has good but very gimpable recovery, one of the worst dash dances in the game etc, only one or two characters rely on something that isn't baked into the engine to be good
0:10 Holy F...Sakurai is just getting younger
I don't even play Smash Bros in any capacity and I've accidentally, truly accidentally, watched every single one of your videos. The way you present information pulls the viewer right in. You've trimmed all the fat and inserted just the right amount of humor.
Bravo. I need more of this.
This is how i started playing lol
I started playing melee semi-casually a few weeks ago and always wondered why Kirby was ranked as such an incredibly bad character, because he didn't *feel* terrible when trying him out while I was figuring out which character I liked the most, so it makes sense that it seems to be mostly that his toolkit overall is just very weak when compared to other characters instead of it just being a melee moment™. Fantastic video as always. Your channel is a huge inspiration to me :]
I mean, his fthrow and bthrow are pretty "melee moment™" imo.
Yeah two moments really hammered home why Kirby can seem okay at first but be so crap:
Puff vs Kirby jumps: pound and airspeed completely solve horizontal recovery. That difference is massive.
The joking "flowchart" moments where it's like "okay, grab leads into something if you read it and don't do a non functional throw. Up tilt into --> single aerial is your best punish" makes it really stark. As a beginner you're mostly stringing together random hits out of neutral. Every other character eventually links those hits together into a strategy. Kirby just kinda has to win neutral 100 times
Tangentially related: I was a Zelda main growing up and even casual players would ask why I didn't play Sheik. I said that Sheik was easier to pickup because of her speed, but as you got better and learned how to use Zelda's kit, Zelda was actually the better character.
I was... incorrect in my assessment
@@sdw-hv5ko Weird, as a kid growing up, we gravitated towards Zelda > Sheik because her smash attacks are strong and we gravitated towards strong smash attacks.
Nobody really knew how to kill with Sheik, nor could we make use of her other features.
@@sdw-hv5ko Lmao
I just realized the thumbnail tells a little story. In a different video, bowser is shown picking flowers. In this one, he's shown giving the flowers to Kirby. What a nice fella.
Here are some more fun useful facts about Kirby that makes him even more....
Shit.
Kirby's ub-b when used consumes all of his jumps, even if he has used only one! So if he gets hit once, even on the startup, he's dead no matter what.
The same thing applies with his up throw! And it is why a lot of players only go for up throw at low percents, since it MAY lead to a tech chase on a platform, IF your opponent is drunk, or really slow. However, it can be used to Kirbycide that cannot be escaped out of.... if you roll to the back of ledge and your opponent somehow doesn't see it coming.
Kirby's down throw sends at such a bad angle, Marth can immediately up-b out of it to prevent being tech chased. Not only can Marth up-b out, but puff can actually REST. Meaning if you grab puff and they know about it, they can immediately kill you with rest at 13%.
Kirby rock can actually slide along ledges and is pretty funny to use on Yoshi's if someone is recovering along the side and you want to have a good chuckle.
Kirby's dash attack when caped by Doc or Mario actually slide backwards, so he does his own version of the flaming moonwalk.
Kirby's biggest claim to fame is the fact that his spotdodge is the fastest in the cast. Meaning when you see Kirby's just spotdodge like crazy, they're just using the only thing that makes Kirby.... Kirby.
I've mained Kirby for a long time, and appreciate you reading this! :) I'd love to see if there is anything else not so commonly known about Kirby!
People who main kirby and bowser are masochistic chads
Why Main Kirby?
His spotdodge is just tied for fastest with like 10 other characters including fox, falco, and sheik
@@seronymus Honestly, when I started playing Melee 8 years ago, I was a Marth main and I could never beat this Shiek main.
So I switched to Kirby and just had fun :)
@@bobbbyjohnson based sigma behavior, God bless ya. Puyo~🌟
1:39 “Kirby is so abysmally shit…”
The funniest choice of words possible 🤣
😐
The thumbnail made me wanna find asumsaus and beat the living shit out of him
Like dude I won more than 45 games with Kirby in melee
@@brandye3039 I just thought the choice of words was hilarious
Another few things about Kirby
1. His forward, back and up throw lose all his jumps
2. His inhale hitbox gets smaller midair compared to grounded inhale
3. There's a cool absolutely useless tech with dash attack, if you dash attack right before running off a platform, you can cancel dash attack's animation with a grab
Going into Melee I didn't know his up special also discards all jumps, I routinely die because of that.
And the inhale hitbox doesn't even change to the larger version when you land on the ground, it just stays the small one
@@strangejune thats normal though
@@leaffinite3828 Yeah, I just didn't know when I stated playing.
Looks like Kirby can't catch a break
SM64 Kirby mains: Heck yeah I love Kirby!
SM64 Kirby mains playing Melee: Look how they massacred my boy
Even at a different points during subspace, each of the Kirby characters have very important roles. Kirby escorts one of the princesses and helps save everyone in the maze, dedede is a main point of conflict for all of the cartoony characters (along with having the brooches), and meta knight literally drives the story forward by having his ship introduce the first subspace bomb and primids, as well as being a meeting point for all of the characters later on
Oh, Sakurai really and REALLY loves Kirby
I remember always using Kirby when I played smash at my friends house as a kid. Idc if he’s absolutely awful, he’s my guy and I’ll have dun even if he’s bad
If you really want to main an awful character -and surprise people when you rekt them because they don't know the match up,- you should use male wireframe instead.
Sadly, the "play a bad character so people don't know the matchup" niche is the personal property of Zelda, because Zelda can take a cheeky stock here and there... and then switch to a character who is actually good.
Dude I'd rather female wire frame than male wire frame. Male is straight up unusable
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 zelda is the weirdest character to me in melee because she has a move that literally turns her into a top tier.
@@Tron_Cykharthys how? female wireframe is literally a worse version of Zelda. At least male has some of captain falcons attributes.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 that was probably the wrong thing to say. Anyone who's knows captain falcon's match knows what male wireframe's deal is (either then he's much worse)
No one really talks about Kirby in Melee. It's so underwhelming, but in a boring way. It doesn't have a glaring flaw, but just has no upside. Even other low tier characters have something they do best out of all the entire cast. Kirby has nothing.
"mons" ?
@@mxBug Yeah I have no clue where that came from.
'mons'?
noms? nom nom?
I mean, Kirby has low profiling with his crouch?
I love how bowser is handing Kirby a flower which references bowser picking a flower in the other thumbnail.
To wall out Fox: Expertly maneuver yourself into a position just out of range of most of Fox's moves, while also maintaining range of your moves.
To wall out Kirby: Press the L button.
I do not play melee but i really love your videos. Always such good quality i literally watch them on repeat while playing osrs 24/7
Same, hes one of the best fgc + smash you tubers
Yooo, OSRS gamers rise up
Actually insane how good these videos are. Shit got me bricked up lowkey 💀💀
Hell yeah. Can I ask why you don't play? I don't think it's weird I used to be that way with Pokemon.
@@x9x9x9x9x9 i tried but its not my type of fighting game. I am very big into the Slowclap game Absolver and considered making a similar video like Asum does with Meele about all the broken moves in that game (for example there are like 10-12 moves in the game that have incorrect framedata)
Therapist: "Pregnant Masahiro Sakurai isn't real, he can't hurt you."
Pregnant Masahiro Sakurai: 0:17
Maybe his brain was pregnant because that’s the womb where Kirby was. Sakurai’s hand was the father for drawing him, and his brain is the mother for birthing him.
I heard that for Ultimate, Sakurai chose Kirby for the WoL campaign starting character because of the characters that could feasibly escape Galeem(Palutena, Bayonetta, Kirby...) Kirby was the most beginner friendly.
2:30 Haha that was me! I wrote a comment about exactly that on one of your vids a long time ago, asking for an explanation. I'm so happy you did! :D
Man, your editing really shows how passionate you are about Melee and your craft. It truly is inspiring
Poor Kirby, he went from an amazing character in 64 to pretty bad
2nd best to 2nd worst, complete 180 lol
Poor fella
And didn't really comeback out of bottom half valley, did he
Kirby as a Smash character really was only a 64 character (in terms of being a good character you’d even consider someone play in a Smash game)
And never recovered btw, Brawl was the last game where he was at least decent
Bowser was picking flowers for Kirby.
Really cute lore.
Bowser took 2 years to give kirby a flower
They really did shaft Kirby in Melee, he went from the second best character in 64 to the second worst in the transfer to Melee unironically.
and he hasn't exactly been good ever since either
@@jerry3115 He's... fine in Ultimate. Far from his former glory, but perfectly playable and has some nice traits.
@@webbowser8834 and still near, if not in the bottom
@@webbowser8834 “Perfectly playable”
Eh. Definitely nowhere near as bad as Melee but like… eh. He just struggles against so much of the roster that he just doesn’t feel fun to play.
I’d been playing as him competitively since the beginning of Smash 4 but dropped him a few months ago in favor of Dark Pit because I dread fighting about 70% of the roster as Kirby. He gets steamrolled by speed demons, walled out by swordies and zoners, and deleted in three hits by heavies since they tend to outrange him. He’s got decent CQC but struggles to make use of it and he’s the got the low weight of a lot of high/top tiers but very little of the power and none of the speed that usually accompanies it.
Second best to second worst
'Welcome to the Salty Splatoon! How tough are ya?'
'I have climbed to the very top of a Melee tournament without a high tier'
'I see... Who is your main?'
'Kirby'
'Dear God, Errmm... Right this way you madman...'
The titlecard of this video is brutal. I never wanted to see kirby with the equivalent of a dunce hat 😭
I just realised the genius that is the fact that this is bowsers perspective from the worst character thumbnail.
It's so wild how Kirby is one of the most beginner-friendly characters but completely falls apart competitively. Excellent vid as always.
Not in 64. Super easy to play AND top tier lol.
True! Though it seems accidental, it always feels like Kirby in every subsequent smash game was an overcorrection for being one of the most broken characters in 64. Despite everything, he’s still fun and funny to play though!
@@maskeraider If Sakurai didn't care about looking biased or if someone else developed Smash as the leader, I'm sure Kirby would be better. Start by giving him a new moveset that represents his series better. I hope that the next smash is a reboot.
I love how people always say Kirby needs a moveset that represents his series "better"...
I agree that he needs a better moveset, but outside of his Smash Attacks and Tilts...his series is pretty well represented in his moveset.
There's a lot of room for improvement and just more creative abilities.
@@SonicmaniaVideos Don't forget all of his getup attacks and all of his aerials (except maybe nair).
Kirby's dash attack isn't actually ALL bad. There's a really goofy little tech you can do with it where if you dash attack off of the edge of a platform, you can cancel it into a grab once you touch the ground. Look up "kirby dash attack cancel" if you want to see it ^^
well, combo exist and interesting to know but it's look kinda bad
@@munsterotaku3058 I mean, you do have to be playing as Kirby in order to be able to do it, so I have to agree with you hahaha
I had to read this over a few times just to make sure this wasn't like a "search up sonic inflation" joke
@@navadax4541 i hate that you're right about that, it totally does read like that hahaha
The thumbnail references bowser picking flowers in the video about him from 2 years ago.
AsuSamus level of detail never ceases to awe me.
0:02 6 tickets to minions the rise of gru please
When Melee first came out, I had been a Kirby player in OG Smash. Coming into the game I obviously picked Kirby first, and *immediately* felt the difference. For decades I have lived with the assumption that Sakurai nerfed Kirby into the ground because of how dominant he had been in OG, and this video only solidifies that belief.
triple R has beat Kels several times with Kirby and other prominent midwest players which is for sure a bigger accomplishment than beating Blur/drunk armada
what tourney did RRR beat kels at? its not on his wiki page but if u know which tourney its pretty easy to verify if the smash gg bracket is still up
@@drcreed6320 theres almost no way it wasnt on challonge... long time ago lol
the delivery on "so abysmally shit" genuinely had me spit my food, definitely was NOT trying to, you are wonderful and spread so much unspeakable joy into so many people's world
Stop being mean to Kirby
Couple of “fun” Kirby facts.
If you use dash attack as soon as you leave a platform and land on stage while holding Z, you will immediately perform a grab when the active frames end.
Kirby’s down-b will not slide on the top left platform of Kongo Jungle 64. It will slide on the right platform and the bottom stage ramps, however. This fact was used by Triple R to defeat BunBun (another Kirby main) in a long ago Kirby ditto.
I have a vivid memory of playing a demo version of melee on a display cabinet outside of Babbage's a bit before it came out. My older brother and I picked our smash 64 mains, Samus and Kirby respectively. I lost, and remember feeling like I just couldn't accomplish anything for some reason. Even at the age of 10, with no understanding of frame data, neutral, or really anything approaching fighting game fundamentals, I could still tell that melee Kirby was trash.
Gosh, I just love the visuals for your videos. They’re always great and feel so varied.
0:25 In Ultimate when Kazuya throws several characters off a cliff Kirby is the one to float right back up again
in sakurais defense I think Kirby is the only character who could survive that encounter legitimately
12:06 - "Tough it out", that's a fucking top referential parallel to Kirby 64 if intentional.
Sakurai decided after Kirby being a high tier in 64, he needed to screw him over in melee. Truly an act of tough love, to teach him how to lose gracefully
*me TOTALLY not studying this vid to find out how to buff kirby*
Me, TOTALLY being an melee player
The editing and presentation of these videos is definitively S tier
Kirby's dash attack isn't all that bad. It's the only dash attack that can be canceled after the attack has come out. You have to do it off a platform and can only cancel it into a grab on the frame you land on the stage, but it's something.
Also, worth noting, once Kirby has inhaled you offstage, you're better off forcing the stock trade than trying to mash out. Weird little factoid about the Kirby match-up.
That's true but it doesn't actually force the trade, if the Kirby player has good timing. There's about a two frame window between the inhaled character dying and Kirby dying, during which he can jump to recover. I used to be pretty good at it.
@@imperiallarch7610 tht is stage dependent tho
Finally we know to who Bowser offered flowers, my life is complete...
Ayo truee
low tier homies stick together
what was the timestamp? i didnt see it
@@crusher4819 it's litterally the thumbnail compared to the other video
@@MAJJASTAK OH
12:26 This is so true. Everytime I play Zelda, there's a good 50% chance the opponent will just leave.
*I did not need to see a pregnant sakurai today but thank you for that* 😂
Also, I got so excited seeing this pop up in my notifications! Your videos are the best!
Also also, Double Dedede at 6:44 brings me great joy
When I was a kid, I played Melee a lot, and I *always* played as Kirby. I was pretty bad at the game, and it wasn't until many years later that I learned that Kirby was bad. My reaction was something like "oh, that explains it".
I have a similar story of playing meta knight a lot in brawl as a kid and thinking I was hot shit
@@666Drazil meta knight in brawl is broken tho LOL
@@PeptoAbismol i think that was his point...
@@PeptoAbismol WoW good observation
No you just weren’t meant to play as Kirby.
Love the fake out in the beginning.
“We all know who Sakurai is! Oh, and there’s also Miyamoto or whatever.
Really good video and a very informative one at that. I love the placement of some of the sound effects as well, it made some parts of the video really funny.
I just learned like last week that when Kirby up B's, regardless of how many jumps he had left he loses them all. They really went out of their way to just make him almost unplayable
Kirby is the neglected child
11:01 If Kirby had Falco's Blaster instead of Inhale, he'd go up at least ten placements.
He'd honestly be like B tier. That laser alone would make him viable.
Kirby in lore: giga death god
Kirby in game: expired hostess snowball
Kirby in lore: extremely overrated
@@zeff3016
Does overrated really mean anything in this age beyond "I don't like thing that other people like"?
Your videos are always something I look forward to :) I'm not even a Melee player, I only played Ultimate for ~1 year
Thanks for this amazing content!!
I love that canonically Kirby is the strongest character in smash but he’s always been a low tier
Mario and Luigi in his RPGs are stronger I’m pretty sure? With the pure heart at least
Kirby from 64 would like a word
Almost always low tier.
Smash 64 Kirby was high tier, only behind Pikachu.
Top tier in 64
@@pointe3347 which Mario rpg are you talking about? Super paper Mario?
10:23 oh please keep going, it gets worse
If you get hit out of Kirby's up-b, you lose all your jumps - you can actually see it in the clip shown for this too, he should've had 5 jumps left but doesn't recover to ledge bc he lost them getting hit out of up-b
That's not necessarily exclusive to Kirby, though. With Jigglypuff, Yoshi and his exception, everyone loses their double jump as soon as they Up-B (also true for a few other specials). HOWEVER Kirby only loses his jumps if he gets hit out of the uppercut portion onward of Up-B!
@@DootNootem which is why it functionally sucks
And if he uses up or down throw
You mean up forward and back throws
@@jmurray1110 no, up b too
11:14 falcon named finger:
Wow, I didn't expect to see you here
MAFIA DICE REAL!!!1!1!!!
Id love to see a series on every character on the tier list going up from Kirby. These seem to do good views wise to
The fact is:
Kirby is just using his 0.000001% of his power on his moves.
"Pressing x to doubt probably"
Putting 'at least he's cute' in the description as if Bowser isn't as cute or cuter
I feel like kirby's dash attack being so long and being able to fall off ledges could've actually been pretty fun to mess around with in ultimate,
Your videos are always great, informative, funny, and very good editing. Keep up the good work man
I would personally love other videos in this style, a complete analysis of every character, showing every jank for every character, I would watch
i play some seth in street fighter v, who has a mechanic that allows him to copy his opponent's moves and use them as a single-use consumable, and it's really fun to discover what moves each character gives him and the unique voice lines he has using them. It's disappointing that melee kirby sucks this much, i'd love to go online and meme on people with their own attacks
There's not much to it in Melee... but the Copy meta is strong in later games.
Several specials are put to far better use in Kirby's moveset, or else are actually an extremely useful tool in that matchup.
There are still some pretty useless ones, but there are a few matchups where if Kirby can get and keep that special, he's in a very, very strong position.
I know Ridley is one of the best. Kirby uses the fireballs far better, and can be far more aggressive with them, while the move itself is hell for Ridley to try and deal with.
King K.Rool as well.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 I don't really care much for the meta stuff, I just enjoy running meme stuff online and making it work, and sadly melee kirby is pretty much unworkable even if you aren't trying to meme to begin with. besides I don't even have any interest in smash ultimate online, I don't have switch online and even if I did the netcode is complete doodoo
@@fatyoshi696
Oh, Kirby vs Ridley is an absolute meme matchup. Especially once Kirby gets that Neutral Special, the game often turns into a weird staring and poking contest. Ridley completely snuffs Kirby's approach game... but Ridley legitimately has a hard time approaching Kirby, especially if Kirby has that neutral special copied.
The result is a sort of awkward game of shuffling and feints, until someone gets bored and impatient, and wins or loses based entirely on twitch reactions.
I have never played Melee in my entire life and most likely will never do that in the future, but your videos are just made so fucking well, and the way you present them (editing, sound design) is just very fun to look at, and even as someone who cant really get any use of the information youre telling, its still very interesting.
I may not play much Melee anymore, but I always love seeing your videos! They're great and informative on even the smallest things, keep up the amazing work!
Up throw is actually also a potential Kirbycide throw when used very close to the ledge and facing away from it. It can't be mashed out off either. I've definitely taken surprise stocks at 0% with that.
I always memed that Kirby is top tier, because he possessed a little bit of the best attacks from top tiers.
Jigglypuff BAir
Fox USmash
C Falcon UAir
I mean they are much weaker variants, but its a fun thought
0:16
WTF CURSED
No shit Sherlock
I main kirby in ssbu, mainly because I just really like him. but i also think it's because I want to prove something, like yes his hitboxes are short, yes he's slow, yes he's not the best, but I'm still wining with him. Even if it takes a while. And something about beating some bahemoth with this tiny little pink marshmallow is really satisfying.
Editing on point, as always!!
Kirby was and still is my favorite character in Melee. I would win most of the time when playing him, I always thought he was the best?
Yes
Casual Melee and Competetive Melee are very different.
11:40 “YEAH FUCKING RIGHT” LMAO
As a kirby main, thanks for making this video.