The Chiang Mai burning season & the Bangkok smokey season, 2024 | Judge makes air quality order.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ค. 2024
- The burning season in Chiang Mai, Thailand (usually February, March, April) is a major issue. It is also called the Chiang Mai smokey season.And the Bangkok smokey season is also a major concern. Both are affected by crop burning. In January, 2024, a Chiang Mai administrative judge found the past prime minister and the NEB (National Environment Board) negligent in not acting quickly enough to combat the PM 2.5 problem. This is the term for the small-sized particles in the air from smoke and air pollution. For a Thai judge to make such a ruling is shocking but refreshing.
Thankfully the new prime minister, Stretta Thavisin, seems to be addressing the burning season and air quality issue, and the Thai Parliament is now analyzing five different versions of a new Clean Air Act. And the Euro 5 standard has also been implemented starting January 1, 2024. These actions, combined with this new court ruling, give us hope we will see a reduction in the smoky season. Not just in northern Thailand where the problem is at its worse, but also in Bangkok, and throughout Thailand. The burning season affects not just the quality of life for residents and visitors to Thailand, but is also a serious health issue.
It this video we talk about the smoky season problem and also some solutions. BTW, I love Chiang Mai and I love Thailand, so I hope people see beyond this negative issue and see the beauty of Thailand, and specifically my adopted home town of Chiang Mai in the other months, when our air is fine and its a great city to visit or live in. Hopefully soon we can say that year round.
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00:00 Introduction
00:29 The smokey season in Chiang Mai
02:04 Air pollution in Bangkok
02:31 The Chiang Mai court ruling
03:35 PM 2.5
04:08 Change under Sretta Thavisin
05:12 The economy vs the environment
05:56 Air quality affects tourism
07:02 My partial solution
10:23 Conclusion
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Very kind of you. Thanks!
Did a great job explaining everything I’m forwarding this video to my son Justin, who lives in Thailand. Thank you so much I’m sure I’ll be delighted to watch your video.
Thanks, Jennifer. Glad to hear you have a son there so you have a waiting guide. (:
Thumbs up 👍 Randy, not so sure about the growing of the cannabis though
Well, they are already growing it and millions of others have filed requests to be approved. What do you worry about? Even when only medicinal use is legal, I bet anyone can still get it for any excuse: headache, insomnia, etc. so just a political step away from recreational use. Of course, I come from a state, California, where it has been legal for some time and no one seems to care after the initial politicization of the issue.
Thanks for all your info. We have booked to come from 29 to 31 of Macrh this 2024. We have a 2 years olds. We are now thinking if we should cancell this trip... What would be your recomendation?
I can't make that call for you. All I can tell you is the air is terrible now, PM2.5 readings around 280 on the air quality index. You should google it and check out the levels. It is possible the air will clear but usually the safe bet is wait until mid-May. Or go to other parts of Thailand where the air in not affected, like the islands and many coastal areas.
Corn feeds cows which Thailand encourages.
In America wheat farmers ban together in coops to lease combines to harvest the wheat.
The farmers are the low man in the process of get the crop from farm to the store. Everyone in the process should contribute to alternatives to burning.
Smart words, Jim. Thanks for commenting.
Counties are just going to not enforce burning rules to get an edge on other countries. What official with not take kickbacks to disregard burning? How will a country like Burma tell farmers what to do when the government doesn't have control over part of the country?
No easy answers to convince people to not harm others even for their own economic gain.
@@RetiredGlobalLife The burning areas are part of the Golden Triangle. Do former heroin producers and poppy farmers seem like folks concerned about the health of others? Sorry for sounding a bit jaded about possible political initiatives.
Very very interesting. I have not heard anything positive on this for a long time. I keep thinking that in the future I will retire in Chiang Mai but leave for burning season every year. Please do more videos like this when the opportunity arises. It makes me feel more connected to the land of smiles while I’m not there 😊
Yes, a good plan. Live here but leave when we must. Hopefully the problem will lessen in time. Thanks for watching. (:
I'm pretty sure in Australia we dig the stubble back into the soil. The waste from sugar cane is called bagasse which has other uses. I think the mechanical harvesters & ploughers could allow the farmers to stop burning but with surrounding countries involved might take some convincing. Maybe Uncle Sam could do a contra deal supplying John Deere equip for the cultivation of Mary Jane Thai stick?😊
Haha, crazier things have happened. If John Deere declines there is always Catapillar...
Yes, the buffalo will eat most of the stocks. And they will eat any leftover corn and the cobs.
There is a very practical solution: biochar. Look into it!
The crop residue can be converted into charcoal in a clean way and that charcoal acts like fertilizer, making soil more productive and sequestering carbon. The small investment in simple machines to make the biochar should be paid for with carbon taxes levied on fossil fuel.
Thanks, Dave. Now if we can just get you an audience with the King and the parliment and CP...
Excellent and informative video. You're right, not your typical, run-of-the-mill travel video but extremely important none the less. We must remember: someone else always lives downstream, sometimes it's us, sometimes it's a stranger, but we all deserve a healthy life! I'm afraid I don't have anything new to add to your suggestions right now but I'll keep looking.
Very insightful... Someone else always lives downstream. I like that. Of course, someone will now put it on a t-shirt and ruin it. (:
Great videos with many points to consider. Another technology which may help in this situation is an Anaerobic Digester, which is fed with the waste organic material, and produces soil improver, liquid fertiliser and biogas. Indeed, pairing this with a hot compost pile and using the heat in the anaerobic digester speeds up the process. The biogas can be used as multipurpose fuel, such as for cooking, or running a vehicle. No chemical pesticides can be used in this system tho.
Thanks for teaching me something new.
Very interesting and an extremely important topic with regard to the population, including visitors, in Thailand. Some solution must be implemented to protect the health and well being of the people in Thailand. This is also an important topic for anyone considering vacationing in Thailand - a serious health concern. In my estimation, the best solution would be to provide farming equipment to allow farmers to chop down what is left after harvesting the crops, thus preventing a serious health epidemic after the burnings.
Thank you Sharon. I have submitted you name as a presidential candidate in Thailand's next election.
This seems like an extremely difficult problem to address, for all the reasons you stated including that it is a regional problem and that it is driven by economics. The countervailing economic issue - loss of tourism dollars - may be the ultimate motivation to take effective action. On a personal note, what do you and Joy do during burning season? Do you relocate to another spot in Thailand, visit other countries or decamp back to San Diego for a few months? Thanks!
Thanks for your wise comment. I return to California usually. Joy has a full time job and can't do so. She is "escaping" for her first trip to CA early April to join me.
Hi Randy,good video and good of you to offer some solutions.. some of which I don't agree with..🤔
As you said it's a regional problem.. and because of that the Thai court's ruling is not going to solve it. The other countries,like Myanmar,Laos, Cambodia are much poorer and unlikely to change their customs . Currently the problem is focussed on the central region and Bangkok where the pollution is added to from Cambodia . How much is added to is also depending on wind directions .
But since you and I are in Chiang mai and the Court sat in Chiang mai,lets focus on this region .
The problem in Chiang Mai isn't just the slash and burn but its geographical location . It lies in a valley surrounded by mountains in a horsehoe shape which traps the pollution . So it sits there and depending on winds or lack of them , remains .
It coincides with lack of rainfalls which would be helpful to cleanse this dust. So if you can't stop slash and burn outside your borders we're talking about mitigation .
Two ways I'm thinking of, one is cloud seeding which at times was used by the government in past times and maybe wind farms to move air direction dissipating the volume of PM2.5
They could be placed in strategic locations to blow this stuff out from the valley.
At the same time these wind farms could generate electricity ..
Think of giant concentration of fans..
The other thing you mentioned, substitution crop of marijuana.
This idea I'm opposed to on grounds of this weed which ,while supposedly used for medicinal purposes, would be open to abuse for recreational purposes as growers would supply it on the black market .
Ofher crop substitutions without this risk would be better offered .
The pollution in Chiang Mai is somewhat similar to Los Angeles due to geography. American environmental experts could be consulted on how to mitigate this problem .
Generally speaking pollution in SEAsia ,the Far East and the Sub Continent is a huge problem and the disposal of rubbish by burning is widespread too .
It's a multifaceted problem due to overpopulation and density . Then we enter into the greater problem of climate change , don't get me going!. I think the problem needs to be tackled by experts but your video is good to highlight the issue and what brainstorming is needed to tackle it . Well done!
You have a lot of insight, as always. Yes, the fact Chiang Mai is in a bowl somewhat makes it worse. I worry less about farmers selling some mj on the side than all the stuff I read is being smuggled in, in huge quantities. But the recreational use does not concern me much. I have not seen a decay in society (anymore than already exists) in those countries or states where it is legal. As you say, the real key will be how to convince surrounding countries to stop this practice. I've heard a few interesting ideas by people smarter than me so let's see. Regardless, the lack of humanity from one person to another, when one's actions cause such discomfort or even death to others, is appalling. As one subscriber wrote, we all have to be aware there are other people downstream from us, so our actions affect others.
@@RetiredGlobalLife admittedly I am biased against marijuana as I know of cases where addiction to it lead to mental illness. Plus as an advance to harder drugs .
Call be opinionated.
For me any mind altering substance is a no no .
For instance ,there is some medical evidence on it that it can lead to schizophrenia.
It maybe a minority of cases, maybe most people aren't affected but my concern for society is about the use of drugs to numb the mind for reasons of stresses we expose ourselves to .
There you go, another ailment of our times, the mental health of society.
But I digress , you posted about our lungs .
If I was in favour of marijuana as a substitute crop for corn, sugar crane,etc.. the amount of acreage would probably depress the crop's value so much it would not replace farmers income..
I'm guessing.
Furthermore, if millions took up potsmoking , would that not damage their lungs.?
The problem is you can't eat cash crops. If you promote those and your people listen, you might move from a net exporter to a net importer (33b vs 3b) along with making your country dependent on others for its base survival needs vs just luxury goods. Thailand hasn't really been conquered by a foreign power and the one time it happened they merged together by marriage. So, I can see them being reluctant to push for cash crops at the risk of being dependent on foreign aid. It could weaken their diplomatic relations.
Yes, I know the prior movement to grow what you can eat. But the burning has to stop. So grow food corn fine, but don't burn. And we will all be happy (:
I have a couple of suggestions. Like you said, get them tractors so they till the corn stocks under. That will fertilize the ground and protect the soil from blowing away. The second is to let the buffalo eat the stocks, they will also poop to fertilize the ground and till the remainder under. Farmers in America have been doing that for decades.
Wow, Dave... love the buffalo idea.
It's a good video on an important subject for all of us living in Thailand.
You have seen the burning map. The problem is less Thailand and more the surrounding countries. The government has failed the Thai people. First enforce the law in Thailand. Second negotiate with the surrounding countries to stop burning. It's pointless if those countries do not participate. Once farmers and customers realize the change is coming, they will find the best solution. It's common for customers to support suppliers with equipment loans and such. Prices will find the proper equilibrium based on the supply that will be available by enforcing the law. Let suppliers and customers work that out. Lastly, make the issue known in western countries and possibly obtain ban s of imports from burnt fields.
Thanks, Mike, well said. As one subscriber wrote, we all must think of the person downstream. It's basic humanity.
You are correct. Having the ability to till the biomass back into the soil does just as much for feetilizing as burning does, and with modern farm equipment amd methods they can grow more food on the same amount of ground. Clean air, more efficient growing. Win, win.
Thanks, Brian.
Oh wow, I hope you all get some relief from that air pollution
Thanks, Ian. Not too bad so far, but who knows what 2024 will be like.
Hua Hin not great either, yesterday 167 US AQI (41 in Beijing China.)
Wow, that's amazing. I don't track other cities. Thanks for letting me know. Sad to hear.
@@RetiredGlobalLife I don't generally, but it showed up on the AQI app for comparison I suppose.
Excellent video EXCEPT: Rama 9 spent a great deal of time and money getting northern farmers to convert their crops from poppies to tea, coffee, corn, vegetables and fruits. He was worried about rural hunger …and getting enough food to his people. So asking them to reverse that to marijuana might take a cultural mind shift.
Good point, and I'm all for growing food for locals to eat. But the massive corn crops are not from people but feed for livestock, so it's really a cash crop, if that is the correct term. I'd love to see them get off their agri-biz contracts and move to other non-burn products, or have collectives organized to share equipment needed to help eliminate burning as clearing.
@@RetiredGlobalLife they eat corn when they eat the pigs…..
What I don't understand: Nobody in Europe is burning the crop waste, although farmers grow similar crops here and there. Straw can be used in various ways: as bedding for the livestock, as starting material for the biogas production, or even to produce biofuel ....
Thai farmers should learn to value this "waste" material and try to look at it as a natural resource out of which you can generate some income.
Good question. I imagine the answer is availability to more equipment to clear the biomass and a system in place for disposal. Thailand and even more in the poorer countries surrounding them, simply don't have that.
You may remember that I mention it my stay in CM last year. I rented an apartment for a few months. I want to know if I can live in CM.. there are two reasons why I wouldn’t live in Thailand . 1. Air quality 2. Foreigners can’t own property more the 49% ..
However will we live without you? 😅
Hi Anna, yes many of us escape for a couple months when the air turns bad and "vacation" elsewhere.
You are right. Very simple ? you introduce n tax and hospital insurance as Thai government for tourists and expats and you buy good agricultural mashines from my country....The Netherlands...everyone happy? IF...we end... that visa war for ordinary tourists.
Thanks!
People burn crops (and anything else they don't want) from the east coast of India to western Indonesia. This is an issue for, and caused by, approximately 3 billion people from several nations. Every year there is an outcry and some political headline similar to the one you are covering. And this outrage occurs in other countries as well. Then nothing happens. I hope this court ruling makes a difference. But I do not expect it will.
We will see. Yes, often nothing happens, but when enough headlines appear, sometimes change does occur. And if tourist dollars goes down, that is even more motivation for a government.
HaHaHa you must be from northern California!
SoCal, close.
Leave it alone before they poison your food like in the US.
Hmm... I'm afraid to ask...
Idiotic. How is requiring farmers to reduce this hazard going to cause toxins in food? U.S. farms don't mass burn their biomass left over from harvest; they plow it under and mix it back into the soil. Burning is the lazy, cheap, and ignorant way to do it. Tired of finger pointing at the U.S. for stupidity in other countries.
Large fans.... asking border countries to stop burning "biomass" is useless. Massive ecological impact will also occur when china starts change the flow of rivers into vietnam, cambodia and Thailand
Ah well... we can't just give up. Actually one of the biggest agri-biz companies just did a deal with China about feed, so maybe that will relieve Thailand, but hurt China. I am ignorant about the flow of rivers you mentioned, sorry.
Going to Thailand in February for 30 days to set up shop, maybe see you round
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