We at VKMT have to make the unfortunate call to delay our anniversary showcase event to April 30th. When the MCC update released a few days ago, it brought with it a whole host of problems for the Halo 3 tools. The majority of our showcase content is within Halo 3, which puts us in an awkward situation regarding the amount of what we’d have to show for the event. We feel it’s best to wait it out and see if these major tool issues get resolved, and those who want to showcase their Halo 3 content can demonstrate it in the states THEY want it to be shown. Thank you for your understanding and your patience. We’re frustrated about these annoying circumstances, and hopefully all of this can be resolved soon.
Hadn't really heard anything about Shadowrun other than the existence of this Prototype, but seeing more of the actual game has me sad I hadn't heard of it when it came out. It seems like a pretty interesting game.
It's an underrated game, for sure. The issue was that it was laughably overpriced for a game with just MP, 3 game modes, and a handful of maps. Also, PC players needed Windows Vista and GFWL at the time, and we know how bad that turned out lol
@@quietnumber2317 yea unfortunately a lot of people are fucking morons and couldn't figure out how to use an email login. Games for Windows Live is basically what Outlook is now. That's the criticism, Gen X just can't figure out their login passwords.
Seeing the amount of views 3 months after the video release really hurts. But as someone who both grew up with halo aswell as stumbled upon and enjoyed shadowrun a lot in his youth, its incredible to see this! such a detailed, well explained video about two of my favourite xbox days subjects. thank you a lot Vadam! appreciating your hard work
4:26 I really wish Microsoft would license the CE, Halo 2, and Stencil Engines, I imagine people would make a lot of games on them... I mean just look at the Build and Doom Engines and all people do with them. Build has stuff like Ion Maiden and Doom has stuff like Selaco, imagine what Halo's Engines could make.
I'm surprised no one seems to know about shadowsrun. That game kept me entertained while I waited for halo 3. Interesting how and why that game caught my attention since I was (still am) a big halo fan at the time and now I know why.
These prototype / beta builds of games are so interesting. like I could honestly watch this content forever and not get bored just to see the nuances of things i know so well
Man idk why it feel like ur an archeologist for video games digging up graves never meant to be seen again for our amusement absolutely perfect. Like this doesn’t look easy at all so I’m just so impressed
Yes! Thanks for this. Such an interesting history behind the BLAM! engine. I always wonder as I’m walking around Infinite if there’s any Halo CE code left deep within. They said it would be a new engine, but it just seems to be BLAM! With lots of fancy new gadgets… Great video. As always.
It's very possible. I mean Half-Life: Alyx on the Source 2 engine still uses the same ambient flickering light pattern that first appeared on Quake 1 back in 1996. That being said though with 20+ years of active development expect any trace of Halo 1 in Infinite to be some single line of code that goes unused or something really obscure like the light flickering pattern example I just mentioned. Definitely not alot left.
@@genericwhitekidthesecond4330 My kind of guy! I love these kinds of deep thoughts! That’s so neat that there could possibly be strings of code deep within from the very first game… Gotta appreciate how far we’ve come with technology :D
Thank you Thank You Thank You for diing this. I have always wondered about the prototype. We currently are haveing issues playing the 2007 version online.
I wonder if Shadowrun inspired the creation of the Destiny series. Some of the mechanics look near identical like the teleport and even the sword view. Bungie did start Destiny development around 2007, if I'm not mistaken.
The idea of a grappling hook was toyed with in previous ideas for Halo, but they never got it to work right. I wonder if this was one of those "test runs", to see if a grapple could work in a halo-style combat loop.
I didn't know about the Halo 3 beta tie but I saw the title of this video and I thought it was neat considering a large part of the classic Halo MLG scene has a fascination with this game too, as the best Halo team at the time also won an event in Shadowrun.
@@puddel9079 Thankfully, the founders later founded Harebrained Schemes, and made actual Shadowrun CRPGs. Like they should have from the beginning. Vadam failed to mention, but Shadowrun is based on a tabletop RPG of the same name.
2 friends of mine and I are working on getting a prototype up and running, that's our discord if anyone wants to come join us during the playtests discord.gg/jvhrxv9Y
This is so interesting. Very cool seeing how 5+ years after Halo CE's release, it's engine was still being used by developers outside Bungie to prototype their own ideas for shooters
This is neat, I've never seen this Blam! prototype before. If you could find any stubbs the zombie stuff that'd be cool to see to since it also ran in the engine!
So with regards to the sentinel, in Shadowrun there's ordinarily people called 'riggers' who use their cyberware to interface with and control vehicles and drones. The sentinels were probably a prototype stand in for these drones, but probably wasn't developed further for one reason or another.
I remember playing this game and wondering where the single player was at lol. I wish someone would make a Shadowrun FPS RPG similar to Fallout or Outer Worlds.
The sentinels were likely prototypes of drones, a category of equipment available to characters in the shadowrun universe referred to as "Riggers." Probably cut because Rigger playstyle doesn't really fit arena shooters.
This game was awesome. I logged on long after the servers were shut down and was still able to find one guy in a lobby, sending people messages saying the game was down.
HIGHLY underrated game from this era. In many ways it kind of reminds me of the play flow of Valorant now, with its counter strike like mode and abilities Even the art style and lot of the maps from valorant could slot right into shadowrun too actually thinking about it. Lotus, etc
Oh yeah did you find anything in there on a fifth character class the Orc. Teapot wrote “ t's really interesting to see the changes in Shadowrun throughout development. At one point it had part of a working campaign because when they originally pitched the idea they had a working linear mission. There were apparently some good plans for a map editor, as well as a 5th class that was already finished and was supposed to be part of DLC with some additional maps but the studio went under before it could get those out. I really wonder what the game would have been like if it had all the included magic/techs, and the Orc class. Rumor has it that the Orc's damage output was linked directly to his health remaining. So if you were one shot, you delivered a massive amount of damage. It would have changed the game completely imo and possibly for the worse.”
There was a 5th character slot in the files, actually, but it didn't really have anything associated with it, at least when I tried to look for them. Might have been cut super early.
I was just thinking about how awesome this game was the other day. It's funny because I don't remember anyone complaining about how pc KBM players had an advantage despite the game being crossplay all those years ago.
This is REALLY cool! I had never heard of this game before, and seeing something very different made out of the halo ce engine is super cool. It’s a shame that a lot of abilities aren’t in the test level, and have to be cheated in, but it’s super impressive how close to their final vision this prototype seems to be. Great care and attention was put to fleshing out ideas, which must have been useful when using their own engine later. Is this a normal playable xbe? Or does it need to be running on dev unit? Either way I’ll have to see if I can find this, it looks super fun and I would love to try it.
i wonder if the reach devs just didnt want to pathfind multiplayer stuff? i mean that would make sense for forge maps so multiplayer hologram was strip down and then they decided to make campaign and multiplayer hologram to be the same
How did you manage to play this? The Shadowrun base game I mean. I have been trying for ages. I even bought a legit PC key, and it still didn't work. I grew up playing this game and I've wanted to play this again for years.
15:03 Hang on, is it just me or does the Rocket Launcher seem familiar... Yeah, looking at 13:47 the Rocket Launcher slightly resembles the old Third Person Shooter-era Missile Launcher.
I wonder what the story is behind the developer using the halo ce engine is. I wonder if bungie knew about or approved, or if was thought of it as obsolete anyway.
1. No. It's a different version of the CE engine and the original CE maps won't be compatible. 2. You need a modded xbox with 128mb of RAM installed. It can still be a retail, though, just needs the extra RAM.
When’s the Part II of the former Halo 2 video? I don’t know if you saw my original comment on that video, but I am abstaining from meat until it is released and I REALLY desire a steak sir.
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We at VKMT have to make the unfortunate call to delay our anniversary showcase event to April 30th. When the MCC update released a few days ago, it brought with it a whole host of problems for the Halo 3 tools. The majority of our showcase content is within Halo 3, which puts us in an awkward situation regarding the amount of what we’d have to show for the event. We feel it’s best to wait it out and see if these major tool issues get resolved, and those who want to showcase their Halo 3 content can demonstrate it in the states THEY want it to be shown.
Thank you for your understanding and your patience. We’re frustrated about these annoying circumstances, and hopefully all of this can be resolved soon.
This is fascinating. So weird seeing obvious Halo stuff but in the context of being a Shadowrun prototype
Wow, I had no clue how much they actually fleshed out all the mechanics. I knew they were there but it's surprising how 1:1 they were.
Hadn't really heard anything about Shadowrun other than the existence of this Prototype, but seeing more of the actual game has me sad I hadn't heard of it when it came out. It seems like a pretty interesting game.
It's an underrated game, for sure. The issue was that it was laughably overpriced for a game with just MP, 3 game modes, and a handful of maps. Also, PC players needed Windows Vista and GFWL at the time, and we know how bad that turned out lol
@@TheVengefulVadam Ah, that probably explains why I hadn't heard of it. Banished to the realm of GFWL.
Same, only knew of this game due to it's Prototype using the BLAM! engine.
@@quietnumber2317 yea unfortunately a lot of people are fucking morons and couldn't figure out how to use an email login.
Games for Windows Live is basically what Outlook is now. That's the criticism, Gen X just can't figure out their login passwords.
It was some of the most fun online play I've ever had on console.
Honey wake up, there's a new Vengeful long ass video
What a gift of an upload this is. I have always been fond of detailed analysis of prototypes in gaming. I remember de Half-life 2 beta.
Seeing the amount of views 3 months after the video release really hurts.
But as someone who both grew up with halo aswell as stumbled upon and enjoyed shadowrun a lot in his youth,
its incredible to see this! such a detailed, well explained video about two of my favourite xbox days subjects.
thank you a lot Vadam! appreciating your hard work
This is pretty cool! I loved Shadowrun. Didn't even know about this!
As somebody who used to be in the CE modding scene around that time, I’m surprised I never heard about this. AWESOME vid, Vadam!
4:26 I really wish Microsoft would license the CE, Halo 2, and Stencil Engines, I imagine people would make a lot of games on them... I mean just look at the Build and Doom Engines and all people do with them. Build has stuff like Ion Maiden and Doom has stuff like Selaco, imagine what Halo's Engines could make.
This is pretty cool stuff. I always love seeing alpha and beta content from older games.
I fucking love this game. Literally in my top 20
All I remember about this game is the Rooster Teeth machinama.
Ah yeah, 1-800-Magic lmao
I'm surprised no one seems to know about shadowsrun. That game kept me entertained while I waited for halo 3. Interesting how and why that game caught my attention since I was (still am) a big halo fan at the time and now I know why.
Man my friend used to love popping this game on whenever I come to visit. So metal having fantasy races use guns. Underrated indeed
These prototype / beta builds of games are so interesting. like I could honestly watch this content forever and not get bored just to see the nuances of things i know so well
Love this series dude. Criminally underrated
Oh happy birthday, I can’t wait to see the Halo 2 Uncut mod but this still sounds interesting
I don't know why I've been sleeping on this video. It's just as interesting and cool as the Halo content, I'm so glad I watched it
Very cool video! I was just thinking about this prototype build just the other day.
Man idk why it feel like ur an archeologist for video games digging up graves never meant to be seen again for our amusement absolutely perfect. Like this doesn’t look easy at all so I’m just so impressed
Such a good game. A simple remaster would sell like crazy
Yes! Thanks for this. Such an interesting history behind the BLAM! engine. I always wonder as I’m walking around Infinite if there’s any Halo CE code left deep within. They said it would be a new engine, but it just seems to be BLAM! With lots of fancy new gadgets… Great video. As always.
It's very possible. I mean Half-Life: Alyx on the Source 2 engine still uses the same ambient flickering light pattern that first appeared on Quake 1 back in 1996.
That being said though with 20+ years of active development expect any trace of Halo 1 in Infinite to be some single line of code that goes unused or something really obscure like the light flickering pattern example I just mentioned. Definitely not alot left.
@@genericwhitekidthesecond4330 My kind of guy! I love these kinds of deep thoughts! That’s so neat that there could possibly be strings of code deep within from the very first game… Gotta appreciate how far we’ve come with technology :D
Thank you Thank You Thank You for diing this. I have always wondered about the prototype. We currently are haveing issues playing the 2007 version online.
I wonder if Shadowrun inspired the creation of the Destiny series. Some of the mechanics look near identical like the teleport and even the sword view. Bungie did start Destiny development around 2007, if I'm not mistaken.
Reach had some ex-Shadowrun devs on it (Sage being the most famous) that stayed for Destiny, so it's possible.
@@TheVengefulVadam Also the whole Scfi/Fantasy setting is a pretty big appeal of Destiny
Shadowrun 2007 is a criminally under-rated gem that desperately needs a remake
They would find a way to ruin it
oh my god I'm ready I've been waiting for content
Who would have guessed that the first time we saw hologram in halo wasn't even for a halo product, same with grappling hooks
The idea of a grappling hook was toyed with in previous ideas for Halo, but they never got it to work right. I wonder if this was one of those "test runs", to see if a grapple could work in a halo-style combat loop.
I didn't know this game existed, thanks for the knowledge.
I didn't know about the Halo 3 beta tie but I saw the title of this video and I thought it was neat considering a large part of the classic Halo MLG scene has a fascination with this game too, as the best Halo team at the time also won an event in Shadowrun.
19:00 Makes me sad that this game wasn't developed into a Full-blown Shadowrun RPG. I love this Glider and Grappling Hook
You *might* be surprised that Shadowrun was already an RPG. FASA may have wanted to put a more engaging spin on the game.
@@puddel9079 Thankfully, the founders later founded Harebrained Schemes, and made actual Shadowrun CRPGs. Like they should have from the beginning.
Vadam failed to mention, but Shadowrun is based on a tabletop RPG of the same name.
2 friends of mine and I are working on getting a prototype up and running, that's our discord if anyone wants to come join us during the playtests discord.gg/jvhrxv9Y
This needs more attention. I have played their prototype. It's nostalgic!!
Hell yeah love these type of videos!
I had fun modding Stubbs the zombie, thank you OG halo modders.
Happy belated birthday, mate!
The pelican just appearing right in front of you after a Explosion, Just feels right.
Thank you for making this. Day one fan of the game, so any attention towards its existence bring joy to my heart.
This is so interesting. Very cool seeing how 5+ years after Halo CE's release, it's engine was still being used by developers outside Bungie to prototype their own ideas for shooters
Stubbs the Zombie made it to retail
@@protocetid yes
Teleport looks like it had an impact on "blink" jumping in Destiny. Function is near identical.
Teleport is my most favored ability. It's so versatile in Shadowrun. Once you get good at it, you want it for every game.
Basically, it's Master Chief's fever dream
I am glad you talked about this game my man
"An allied dragon"
given that this is shadowrun we're talking about, I'm going to guess not.
_Never make a deal with a dragon_
Pretty amazing how they went about making this game. Good behind the scenes analysis
the prototype gameplay looks like gameplay from a Custom Edition map
fasa studio, they honestly made some of my favorite xbox games, crimson skies, mechassault.
Amazing, have played Shadowrun since its release. Have not seen the majority of this stuff. Super sick
This is neat, I've never seen this Blam! prototype before. If you could find any stubbs the zombie stuff that'd be cool to see to since it also ran in the engine!
I miss this game...the teleport mechanic made it so much fun, especially on the catwalks.
Come play it again! Relive the nostalgia
@@johnc417 Does it still have players on xbox or pc?
So with regards to the sentinel, in Shadowrun there's ordinarily people called 'riggers' who use their cyberware to interface with and control vehicles and drones. The sentinels were probably a prototype stand in for these drones, but probably wasn't developed further for one reason or another.
Same with the hacking. Although the game does take place a while "decking" was, canonically, in development.
12:21 huh, a tilted barrel when it's locked back, kudos to the animation team for getting this small often overlooked detail righr
My friends and I all played the crap out of Shadowrun back in the day. It was such a gem.
Game still works, community is just playing in private lobbies
Shadow run was such a good game, had many fun hours playing it, remember my mind being blown pc and Xbox could play together
Shadowrun should have been bigger than it was
It really should be bigger than it is. Every game released has seen regularly understated reception despite the setting.
I remember playing this game and wondering where the single player was at lol. I wish someone would make a Shadowrun FPS RPG similar to Fallout or Outer Worlds.
Shadowrun was such a solid game, hope they give it a sequel some day!
The sentinels were likely prototypes of drones, a category of equipment available to characters in the shadowrun universe referred to as "Riggers." Probably cut because Rigger playstyle doesn't really fit arena shooters.
9:17 It uses the Flamethrowers animations, neat.
I feel like the katana/melee weapon 3rd person was a concept Bungiee held onto for a long time, since its been a feature in Destiny.
Havok 2 engine rocked!! Ground breaking rag doll physics 🤜🤛
5:38 Hologram's icon seems to be a repurposed and slightly modified menu icon...
This game was awesome. I logged on long after the servers were shut down and was still able to find one guy in a lobby, sending people messages saying the game was down.
Way ahead of its time
The game still works, the community is just playing in private lobbies. Check the subreddit for more
I remember buying this back in the day, but I never actually got to play it cause my PC wasn't beefy enough to play it
It’ll run like butter on whatever PC you have now. Come check it out
so crazy how early this game was made for instance if it was made recently it would probly be reasonably popular (if finished)
Never thought non halo games used the engine for the original halo. That's pretty cool.
Shadowrun uncut when?
8:49 They're so over the top, I think more voice lines in games need that charm.
dude finally shadowrun on xbox 360 was sick, my cousin and I talk about teleporting through walls with katanas to this day
A flechette pistol makes much more sense for how low the damage of the magnum was in halo 2
HIGHLY underrated game from this era. In many ways it kind of reminds me of the play flow of Valorant now, with its counter strike like mode and abilities
Even the art style and lot of the maps from valorant could slot right into shadowrun too actually thinking about it. Lotus, etc
This game was way ahead of its time. And it wasn't priced well. RIP in peace.
I wonder if stubbs the zombie has a beta build since that was built on the halo 1 engine
Huh, this also seems to be the origin of going third person with a sword in Destiny as well!
Oh yeah did you find anything in there on a fifth character class the Orc.
Teapot wrote “ t's really interesting to see the changes in Shadowrun throughout development. At one point it had part of a working campaign because when they originally pitched the idea they had a working linear mission. There were apparently some good plans for a map editor, as well as a 5th class that was already finished and was supposed to be part of DLC with some additional maps but the studio went under before it could get those out. I really wonder what the game would have been like if it had all the included magic/techs, and the Orc class. Rumor has it that the Orc's damage output was linked directly to his health remaining. So if you were one shot, you delivered a massive amount of damage. It would have changed the game completely imo and possibly for the worse.”
There was a 5th character slot in the files, actually, but it didn't really have anything associated with it, at least when I tried to look for them. Might have been cut super early.
I was just thinking about how awesome this game was the other day. It's funny because I don't remember anyone complaining about how pc KBM players had an advantage despite the game being crossplay all those years ago.
You should try getting back into it, we still have matches going in the evening in private lobbies
This is REALLY cool! I had never heard of this game before, and seeing something very different made out of the halo ce engine is super cool. It’s a shame that a lot of abilities aren’t in the test level, and have to be cheated in, but it’s super impressive how close to their final vision this prototype seems to be. Great care and attention was put to fleshing out ideas, which must have been useful when using their own engine later. Is this a normal playable xbe? Or does it need to be running on dev unit? Either way I’ll have to see if I can find this, it looks super fun and I would love to try it.
It requires an Xbox that has 128mb of RAM. It can work on a retail as long as it has the extra RAM.
@@TheVengefulVadam makes sense, good to know. (Now I just need to learn how to hard mod an Xbox xD)
You can play on xbox or pc. We have s discord group with instructions on how to grt it working on pc. Also it is in the xbox marketplace
how the hell is the hologram from a beta demo for a game not related to halo
BETTER
then the actual hologram from halo reach
lmao
i wonder if the reach devs just didnt want to pathfind multiplayer stuff?
i mean that would make sense for forge maps
so multiplayer hologram was strip down
and then they decided to make campaign and multiplayer hologram to be the same
How did you manage to play this? The Shadowrun base game I mean. I have been trying for ages. I even bought a legit PC key, and it still didn't work. I grew up playing this game and I've wanted to play this again for years.
It's the 360 version.
PM me or check out the subreddit for more info on how to still play
So this game is till being played? I played as a kid didn’t think servers would still be up.
Is this still playable online today? I absolutely adored this game on 360 back in the day!
Yes it is, subreddit/discord for more info
15:03 Hang on, is it just me or does the Rocket Launcher seem familiar... Yeah, looking at 13:47 the Rocket Launcher slightly resembles the old Third Person Shooter-era Missile Launcher.
This is really cool. I was wondering, how can I actually download and play this?
Happy birthday and did you know that there’s a another game They use the halo engine called Stubbs The Zombie?
Shadowrun "failed" critical reviews because the game lacked singeplayer.
In today's gaming atmosphere this game would be wildly popular
i remember shadowrun. it was a hard game to learn which is why i think it failed. valorant executed shadow runs idea better.
I wonder what the story is behind the developer using the halo ce engine is. I wonder if bungie knew about or approved, or if was thought of it as obsolete anyway.
Honestly the trolls sound like unused or unmodified David Scully lines
It's crazy how some devs can transform a slow-paced tabletop rpg into a online-only competitive shooter lmao
Then again FASA Studios also owns BattleTech so it makes sense lol
This game needs a remake. It’s a perfect game.
You should take a look at Stubbs the zombie. It uses Blam engine
Anyone else think that prototype pistol looks like the Sidekick from Infinite?
Edit: There's a repulsor-like ability and a grappling hook too.
So is this something someone can download and play? Or is it coming out soon?
It’s been out for a long time, but you need a modded original Xbox with 128mb of RAM to play it. You can find it on the alpha archive website
Does the energy sword have first-person animations?
It does not.
@@TheVengefulVadam damn. Great video though!
Shadowrun needs a remaster
two questions is it possable to use the retail maps from ce? Also how did you get the build working it dosen't work on my softmod xbox
1. No. It's a different version of the CE engine and the original CE maps won't be compatible.
2. You need a modded xbox with 128mb of RAM installed. It can still be a retail, though, just needs the extra RAM.
When’s the Part II of the former Halo 2 video? I don’t know if you saw my original comment on that video, but I am abstaining from meat until it is released and I REALLY desire a steak sir.
How do u download this engine
background reminds me of Metal Gear Solid PS2 backgrounds
GFWL is a plauge that ruins any game i have no doubt that it could have succeeded like valorant a good alternative to counter strike
PAPA VADAM FUCK YEAAAAA
Yea this game was excellent
This could easily be mistaken of a halo custom edition mod.