I just realized that this movie is a rip-off of "Hook" - a pseudo-sequel to a classic fantasy story in which the main character grows up and forgets about his past as that fantasy character. He returns accidentally and all the characters act like they've met him before even though he doesn't remember. He denies it at first, but he must accept his past and become the hero once more.
Another similarity is that both fantasy lands reflect the imagination and logic of a child. The difference being that Hook kept that aspect, while Alice in Wonderland tried to make the world dark and realistic. Which completely defeats the purpose of a land based on a child's imagination.
Fun Fact: Hatter's switching accents was meant to show multiple personalities, which were brought on by his trauma after his family's deaths. In Through the Looking Glass, he doesn't switch accents in the past.
@@Wyrmington to me they should have put me in the movie. It would have been called HAMiSH IN UNDERLaND And instead of me returning it will be my first trip to Underland.
Apparently in the book, the Queen of Hearts did punish everyone by ordering their heads chopped off. But once they were gone, the king would secretly pardon them and they'd go back to work once the queen forgot about them.
So the regardless of the outcome of the trial, the Knave of Hearts would have been alright the entire time considering the King would have pardoned him anyways after the sentence.
The saddest fucking part about this movie was the "flashbacks" of young Alice coming to Wonderland for the first time actually seems like a decent, fun, slightly odd take on Wonderland and would've been MILES better than what they churned out instead.
"Yeah but I'm a celebrity. When you dress weird it's crazy; when I dress weird it's avant garde" *proceeds to walk off sassily* THIS IS SUCH A GOOD SCENE AND I can't find anyone talking about it in the comments :(
and that piece of shit Looking Glass Wars whenever it ends up made into a film. Basically, it's Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland, except it has the BALLS to say the book was "childish and silly". Mad Hatter is a trained assassin, the chesire cat is a genetic abomination, and Alice is a magical princess. wait... which one is bullshit for babbies again?
Hewylewis the last part is really sad because I loved King Steffan in the original, that Scrumps song with him and the other guy getting drunk while the bard was already smashed... I just realized how weird binge drinking in a Disney film is... But it was just a fun scene with a bunch of likable characters.
I agree with Burton. He turned it from whacky surrealism to bland and generic with his stylish designs to compensate. And no, that is not sarcasm. I found the old movie so fucking random that it made it hard to follow as a child, especially since I have always despised nonsense with no overall structure.
This is one of my all time favourite nostalgia critic reviews, it’s creative has lots of effort, and it’s a kind of tribute to Tim Burton with all his weirdness and creativity both good and bad.
My worst complaint with this movie was making Alice in wonderland a chosen one narrative. In the book, and most other adaptations, she's the observer. I mean she does stuff to effect the world, like the part with the Queen of Hearts, but she was never the main drive of the story, the world was! Adding a chosen one narrative just gives the world a focus, WHICH ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE!
Now I do think a different take on a previous made world, rather it is a lighter take or darker take, can work, even one with Alice in wonderland. The problem is this "Reimagining" is that it lost sight of the original story, which is the lunacy and the WONDER of wonderland!
By the sounds of it, George Miller should be good enough for this series. He's usually pretty good when it comes to the surroundings and background being more interesting than the already interesting main character.
Eh hem. If I may. This is Disney Their whole fucking thing is the chosen one narrative now. Name me one disney film in the last ten years without that narrative
When the director admits he doesn't like, relate to, or even understand the source material, but thinks it would make for some good cosplay - this is what you get.
This movie had great visuals but it was so.......colourless. Everything was just shaded over in grey instead of being eye-popping and bright. Normally I don't care if something doesn't follow the source to a T as long as it makes sense but NC is right that this version didn't. Wonderland can't work as a dramatic war movie if someone can literally sip some chicken soup and turn into a kaiju. *TLDR:* this movie only exists as a corporate cash grab and so that edgy goth kids can feel unique about pretending to be emotionless and quoting the "i'm mad but all the best people are" bit.
Same with anything about the joker. I like the character but edgy teens love to quote him like its some philosophical bullshit and try to act like him.
The second movie add color as if to show that before, everything was grey due to the war but that the wonderland recovered it's pride after Alice killed the Jaberowky, but you do have a point As a kid, I loved this movie and it still has a soft spot in my heart due to some of the creative stuff it uses but when I watch it, it kinda hurts now due to the blandness of everyone though they are very talented actors and voice actors
Ironically, seeing those few short seconds of Alice's flashback as a child already look like a better adaptation of Alice in Wonderland than what we got! The child actress isn't nearly as bland, the scenes are much more colorful (well, in comparison to the rest of the film at least), there's more energy to the characters, and it looks pretty fitting to the themes of being an observer in a world of insanity. Just those split second scenes were significantly better than the rest of the hour and forty-eight minutes we got
I wanted to say just that! The actress that plays Alice as a kid actually gave us some laughing, smiling, fear and sadness. But then she...well...."grew up".
I get why everything was grungy; her father had died & the cares of adulthood had been weighing on her since her adolescence started, so her inner world was made dimmer & her imagination had suffered. But I think it would have made more sense to do a proper trilogy, or 2 parter like the books, and start with the regular story of Alice in her childhood years where everything was vibrant bc she still had both her parents & society was not heaping expectations on her yet.
Definitely one of Tamara's best characters, perfectly charming and sweet but also one jump cut away from a bloody splattershow~ Carrotjuice too, for that matter, but I dun't think he can be in anything else, can he?
Nickel The Wise the alice she plays is from the game alice madness returns and that alice is actually cold mostly due to her past like the one in the film but she's brutal even after she said that she doesn't want to kill when she first got the vorpal blade. I love her!!!
THE TIM BURTON SONG (3:20) Danny Elfman: "It's Tim Bur-ton! "There's spirals everywhere. "It's Tim! "Let's get you fucked up hair. "It's Tim! "Where everything is style over substence but it looks good so who cares! "It's Tim! "It's Tim Bur-ton! "All angles are escew. "It's Tim! "With foggy lenses too! "It's Tim! "Where all supporting characters are Kings holding the movies under wings and all the leads are 'bout as interesting as glue! "It's Tim! "This world of such uniqueness has been done a million times: a dark and gloomy outlet for suberbianites to whine. And though it's saying little hipsters think it's saying more. It's selling much more whiteness than a rich albino whore. "Remakes! Reboots! They're making us a ton, "Of Loot! And anything that's new, Is rare, and yes the style's showing wear and tear but all the profit's clearly there and will it get old? We don't care. Try something different we don't dare! Cause our supplies of darkened dyes are making millions by the share! "TIM! BUR! TON!" Malice: "Very good. We're looking for the black rabbit if you don't mi-" Danny Elfman: "And now, the rendition with the whimsical choir that can only sing in vowls! Aaa! Aaa! Aaaaaa Aa! Ooo! Ooo! Oooooo!" Malice: "I beg your pardon but this doesn't help us." Danny Elfman: "Lalalalalalalalalalalal lolololo La!" Malice: "If you could just direct us-" Danny Elfman: Aaa! Aaa! Aaaaaa Aa! Ooo! Ooo! Oooooo! Hee Hee Lalalalalala-" Malice: "Well, I tried to be nice, excuse me."
Tim Burton: "I want to make a version of Alice in Wonderland that is very different from the original, and has a focus on political conflict, on how the Queen of Hearts/Red Queen is a massive evil asshole, and is more a story of a hero than a mad Fustercluck, does anyone have any ideas?" "Butcher the original source material by not giving it the respect it deserves?" "Yeah Alright." Me: "Why don't you just make an adaptation of Frank Beddor's 'The Looking Glass Wars'? It would fit perfectly mate." Tim Burton: "The fuck is The Looking Glass Wars?" Me: "Just look it up, it's kind of the plot of this movie, just actually done right."
I heard that Tim Burton supposedly only directed this movie so Disney would let him bring his animated adaptation of Franken-weenie to life. So maybe Tim's not entirely to blame. Franken-weenie was originally a short film made by Tim Burton in the '80's when he was still working with Disney and Disney didn't let him make it into a feature film because "it was too scary" (I watched it and the only scary thing to me was the dog getting run over, but that was off-screen). Meanwhile (sarcasm mode activated) apparently stabbing out eyes, dumping decapitated heads into rivers and slicing off heads is A-OK for kids.
Hmmm... A remake where the story is needlessly complicated, shares its title with the original work and the characters act in a dark and out of character way... Sonic 06, is that you?
@David Rosales Oh, it's just you wrote his name with a laugh emoji with little to no explanation afterwards😯. Sorry for misinterpreting what you were laughing at. Besides Sonic X is so overrated that I'm making a reboot to show how i thought that show was going to be.
As a former goth kid in the 2000s that was only in the phase for about a month after realizing how stupid I looked in the eyes of others, I could care less about a Tim Burton inspired theme park.
I just have one question for all the current Disney live action remakes: why do all the male leads have to come back from a war? I mean think about it, Gaston did it and it was mentioned that the owner of the circus came back from a war too in the movie
Starman Gaming who the fuck knows how that scene turned out Knowing Tim burton it will be fucking bat shit bonkers conkers pretty much not of this world insane Yes that's gonna be the pink elephant scene Also as a kid I never was scared of the pink elephant scene
Alice in Wonderland (2010) - a samey Burton film that we've basically seen at least 15 times before - $1.025 *Billion* gross. The 23rd highest grossing film of *all fucking time*. Big Eyes - an actually interesting film, with *good* acting, that still let Tim Burton do plenty of Burtonisms, yet still actually tried new things and told a story we haven't seen a million times before - $29.3 Million. God fucking damn it World...
I liked Big Eyes too, but still it can't be compared to his best films. I think he needs to reinvent himself if he wants to stay relevant. People don't watch the Wonderland movies for him, they watch them because of the name.
I wanna give the film credit for making the queen of hearts, knights cards. Things used for a game of cheating, bets, lack of trust, and sometimes resulting in death out of money just for anger about a card game. I feel this really sums up the queen of hearts character. While the white queens knights are supposed to look like chess pieces, A game that is strategic, calm, and requires whit, Also matching her character.
Mainly, it reflects the kingdoms of both the original books (cards in Wonderland, chess in Through the Looking Glass) That said, I do admire this insightful take on it
In all truth. bith America's McGee Alice and Alice Madness Returns did a much better job at telling a Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland story... and those sold poorly.
Yeah, they're a pair of videogames. I watched a playthrough, and they really hit that kind of surreal horror that you get in some interpretations really well. Pity they weren't especially well liked, I think there were gameplay issues or something - it's been a while, can't quite remember.
Okay, so how about making Alice a complete product of her times, then having to accept things out of the norm in order to deal with this new world, starting to think differently and accepting imagination. She would start to believe in the prophecy only to find out she really is not the "Alice" the others were talking about, but still deciding to help and in the end, winning the battle? I'm not saying it would make things better, but at least there would be an attempt to subvert the clichés...
Yeah... ya know... like the original version? :P I mean, Alice was totally a product of her time in the book - a victorian child who only really got 'crazy' as the story went on.
Yep! And I love it more because of it creative design and amazing world design. I wish EA went back to making good games instead of being money hungry glitch mess.
@@nathanblevins9870 "EA" never made good games, the companies under them did, and EA made those creative efforts worse ever since the company was founded, did you ever hear about Spore?
Minor thing: If the scroll foretells of every event since "the beginning", it foretells their party getting wrecked by the Jabberwocky. In a world run on complete predestination, they *can't* take precautions because they *didn't* take precautions. That scene is actually totally consistent and purely logical...Which is, of course, a huge problem for Alice in Wonderland.
She is so disinterested, it's almost amazing and looks like Tim Burton was also directing just like she is acting, say this and now do this. okay, done.
She looked so uninvolved I felt that through the screen and fell asleep at some point in the cinema and my friends had to wake me up. I know shooting can be exhausting and all, but that’s just no.
i just realized this movie has the exact same plot as skyrim, a political power struggle between two sides (stormcloacks vs imperials, red queen vs white queen), a chosen hero(dragonborn, alice), that is prophetized somewhere(alduins wall,that magical calendar) that the hero is destined to defeat a great evil that plagues the land(alduin, jabberwocky), ultimately fullfilling its destiny, defeating the monster and saving the land. Or perhaps this movie's plot is so generic and uses every fantasy storyteling trope
Atiqah Diyana for a while I didn't know it was actually Tamera. Either that says something about my awful observation skills or something about the makeup and costume.
When me and my best friend watched a movie we would often walk out of the theater talking about the flick we had watched. I remember us looking at each other at the same time when the credits rolled up and walking out speechless until we got into her car when she asked me "What do you think?" And all could say was. " i didnt like it." This movie is number two in my personal list of "Biggest Time Wasting Movies". I will never regain this time....and i gained nothing from it 🤦🏻♀️
I think the only logical reason for Alice's blandness and Wonderland's growing sense of order is because, while she still is a bit ahead of the times, Alice has grown up. She would, at least, have a bit of grounding in reality when dreaming up an imaginary world, maybe to the point that it invades into the real world. As a result, Wonderland has become an inconsistent mix of dreamlike madness and human reason that only grows slowly, like a king that only recently started learning how to properly rule his kingdom. Alice's curious imagination was becoming more dull with her growing sense of realism. Think about it. Even if they don't align with our own, insanity follows rules too.
I support this opinion and I have always viewed this movie as her having to figure out has she can function on the world with her own sense of insanity.
But what insanity? They don't actually establish any insanity; all they tell us is she had a dream as a kid, and even that dream might actually have been her actual visit to the actual Wonderland, which would mean she has no madness at all, she's just the millionth Jane Austen knock-off character who, for no reason, spent a day in an alternate universe. If they showed her as a wild, precocious, manic pixie dream child, then maybe this would make sense.
I do agree with your argument. However it’s not just that she is an adult. It’s that she is not actually insane. A good example of a well written adult Alice is Alice madness returns. She is more grown up and independent but still very much insane and Mad. This works as her delusions are just that. Delusions. Hey make no sense and have no grounded sense or laws where this movies wonderland does. You can make Alice an adult you just have to balance it out in a sense. But you made a very good point
The thing that really annoyed me was the end. She goes back to the real world and acts like the lesson she learned was "make your own destiny", but she learned just the opposite in "Underland", "shut up and do what destiny tells you to do."
The ending really hit home for me. Proper strong message, Truely inspirational and heartwarming to see Critics love for a series of movies that shapped him into who he is now
"That sounds like a made up world for a Fruit of the Loom commercial!" Me: *desperately hugs my Suzanne Collins collection* "It's okay dears, he didn't mean it."
YES!!! Yes, yes, yes, yes, Yes! Thank you. I honestly didn't expect anyone to say something like that. Not sure why I was so pleased with it except that I don't think that series gets nearly enough attention. I love that whole series.
@@phoenixsnilloc995 the best plot twist would be at the end of the credits, we appear in the red queens basement, and find the jaberwalkie’s original master, with two shadow piercing eyes, before all goes black and we hear them laugh wildly “Alice is home at last!”
I hate that every time Johnny Depp is in something, it becomes the "Johnny Depp Show." He gets really irritating after awhile and I'm sorry but I find him overrated. Honestly so is Helena Bonham Carter. Nostalgia Critic is right. They do play the same characters over and over and usually the characters come with huge slices of ham. When it's Tim Burton, it becomes the "Johnny Depp, Helena Bonham Carter and Tim Burton Show." They might as well have called it "Tim Burton's Johnny Depp's The Mad Hatter and Helena Bonham Carter's The Red Queen with guest appearance by Mia Wasikowska as Alice." It's how I feel about the book After Alice by Gregory Maguire. There isn't enough magic, enough illogic, enough madness, enough Alice. Though the working title of the original book was Alice's Adventures Underground.
I'm in that weird place between "Tim Burton is one of the greatest of all time" and "Tim Burton is so overrated that I kinda hate him". He has made some of the best movies I've ever seen (Batman), but also some of the most annoying, made even worse by the fact that I'm automatically expected to adore it as much as everyone else does (Nightmare Before Christmas).
@@mariobeaupre1626 I personally have a hard time enjoying since it has been overhyped so much. Everyone expects me to love it so much but I just can’t cause I just don’t personally enjoy it.
Eremikashipper 4ever Doug is doing a Disney Live Action remake month in March. I think Alice through the Looking Glass is going to be one of the reviews.
@Lemon Grab You really underestimate how much power a director can have over a performance. Plus, there might have been better takes where she did show more emotion, but the director and/or editors picked the most bland takes for whatever reason.
This film divides me. I like its visual aesthetic, but it's plot is rather strange. It's not that it makes sense or not, it's that it can't decide whether or not it wants to make sense or not. However, the film nonetheless represents imagination and whimsicalness against the structured order of reality. So warts and all, i think it more or less accomplishes its goal, even if not everyone agrees how it did so.
I love Corpse Bride too it's so underrated but Sleepy Hollow is my all time favorite Tim Burton film. Followed by The Nightmare Before Christmas and Beetlejuice.
Of the many annoying things about this adaptation, the one that really gets me is calling the Jabberwock the Jabberwocky -- he's called the Jabberwock in the damn poem, ffs! "Beware the Jabberwock my son...", "And hast thou slain the Jabberwock..." Did they really think it would be too confusing to audiences to use the original name, as though they would start saying "B-b-b-but the poem is called Jabberwocky, though the monster is a Jabberwock!" [starts walking into walls].
1 thing that pisses me off is how the Dormouse is an active warrior instead of being tired all the time. I mean, seriously, the dormouse is known for long period hibernation and is even named after the word 'dormire' which is Latin for 'sleepy'.
Not to defend this idiotic movie, when I have a dream about needing to be a hero, I do care what happens. It may not mean anything because it's a dream but I have to save people who need saving.
Let’s take it further Dorothy says “I’ll get YOU my pretty” before throwing a bucket of water on the witch Wendy says “Prepare to die, Hook!” before stabbing Hook in the chest Belle says “Be our guest” before pushing Gaston off the castle
hey Danny Elfman's score is the best thing about the Tim Burton Alice movies. he's still very good, except 50 Shades of Grey. somebody must have blackmailed him
Personally I wouldn’t be too hard on the movie for calling it under land, because the original title of Alice in Wonderland was Alice and her adventures underground. Calling it under land is actually pretty appropriate, when you consider that.
Oddly enough, the DS Game of this movie is better than the actual movie. In the game, Alice actually has a personality and is like 10 to 13. Alice usually cries whenever you leave her behind for too long. And you play as either the White Rabbit, the Caterpillar (or Absolem as he's now called) , the Mad Hatter, and Cheshire. The entire goal is to find actually pieces of the actual land of Wonderland. The Red Queen separated the land into puzzle pieces and you can actually switch the actually correct pieces into the map and go to another place in an instant. I can't really explain it, you just have to experience it yourself. I personally loved it. I wish the movie was more like the game.
@@HeavTheAnge that game is so good and i loved playing Alice in Wonderland an adventure beyond the mirror and this game called Alice in Labyrinth and Alice in Wonderland a new champion and a Alice game where you play Alice running and a Christmas Alice running theme game. My favorite video games are of Alice are American Mcgee's Alice snd Alice Madness Returns.
The Jabberwocky was one of my absolute favorite stories as a little kid. As a result, the Jibber-Jabber joke is one of my favorite parts of this whole review. I also can't imagine The Cheshire Cat would even bring up the rebellion in conversation unless directly prompted to answer questions about it. It's more likely he would have no interest in the topic whatsoever.
Doug summed it up perfectly when he said that you can't bring logic and revolution in Alice and Wnderland because to win all you need is to eat the stuff that makes you big and you can stomp all your enemies to death!
I feel like this an uninspired, untimely answer to Hook. RETURN TO CHILDHOOD FANTASY LAND: "Is that the real Peter/Alice all grown up?" "Dunno, it's been so long and he/she is so different now. "I hope he/she is. We need him/her to take care of this menacing threat. Maybe he/she will pull it together and remember who he/she is by the third act." But where Hook was charming, used practical effects, and didn't pretend to be bigger than it was; AIW falls into the shitty traps of underdeveloped characters and an "Epic Battle To Save Our World!" crap that nobody cares about. Although CGI is the monosodium glutamate of the modern movie world that Hook would have definitely used were it made today.
This is one of those films that I TOTALLY get why people dont like, and I dont get mad over it, but I still have appreciation and enjoyment over. Oh it is definitely not a great movie, but I actually appreciate the dark artistry and visuals, and outside of the violence I found to be entertained by this movie. Dont really know why, kind of like a guilty pleasure The sequel looks visually stunning, especially Sasha's time king character. And Its the director of the Muppets and I loved that movie (not the sequel that much....) And Wonderland SEEMS brighter, so Im giving it a chance but not expecting a great story
+TheSherlockedAvatar It has its moments, for sure. Seeing a Bandersnatch visually realized was great. The Cheshire Cat and March Hare's performances and matching animations are brilliant.
Black Star See thing is I know it's crap but the visuals have a lot of imagination in them but I actually don't think it's good. It all depends on tastes and opinions. If you don't like it that's fine but at least understand why we like it
As a long time fan of Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass, who actually knows the difference between the Red Queen and the Queen of Hearts and that the monster is called the Jabberwock while the poem is called Jabberwocky, this film really hurt to see, especially since I was so excited to see it when it was first announced. :(
I can excuse merging the Queen of Hearts and Red Queen in adaptations that blend both books' worlds (which is almost every one of them), and the Jabberwock(y) distinction was negligible. That said, I couldn't help but be disappointed in this movie, though my only real gripe was with the derivative plot. I thought Alice Through the Looking Glass was much better. Sure, time travel is another big cliche, but at least the film had a little more fun with its premise, and the nods and easter eggs were delightful. I love that they put a spotlight on Time, a character who's only briefly mentioned in the books and doesn't get much more attention in adaptations.
I remember when this movie came out I didn't see the original and my parents had me see the new one. I was 7 at the time, and don't remember much of the movie other than the fact it scared the living shit our of me. xD
I've always hated this movie. The sequel is even worse, It's nothing like the actual 'into the looking glass' story. Both movies are absolute shit. A way better adaptation is Alice in Wonderland 1985.
The whole "Is this the right Alice?" subplot was handled really stupidly. We see Alice talking about Wonderland when she's a little girl, so we *know* she's the same Alice who was there before. Her insisting she's not the right Alice and believing she's in a dream is just a big waste of time while we wait for her to finally remember.
The things I truely adore about Nostalgia Critic's videos, is they always have this over-the-top physical comedy acting for joke scenes, as well as video effects that look fake and obviously not meant to look realistic, which gives it an un-serious and entertaining charm to it. Physical comedy has always been charming, and is my favourate type of comedy apart from intentionally bad-looking editing (that isn't awful to the extreme unless the entire theme is about it being extremely shitty). So the unusual exaggerated body movements, especially the goofy expressions, almost never fails to be charming within your videos, and can usually get a chuckle out of me, yet still focusing on the review and pointing out it's flaws without being a total killjoy, especially because it seems you're the one that can do it best, so it gives it a refreshing original taste, especially because the usual review is made on games. Jontron is very similar to you, but has a different style, and reviews games. Still gets me laughs, but your content is original because of it's longer jokes with bigger physical comedy.
24:01 - 24:54 That was basically me when I first saw this movie. It drove me nuts that Tim Burton, one of the few directors that I like, can't even get his own movie title right. This alone shows how much Tim has fallen from his film career. His first movies, like "The Nightmare Before Christmas" and "Edward Scissorhands" were good, but since he kept using the same stuff over and over for his other movies, such as gloomy atmospheres, dark tones, the same composer and the same two actors, it gets boring really fast! When this movie came along, it seemed to me that he was done. He's out of ideas. Also, this is more like a spin-off movie than a sequel or whatever Tim called it. Like an alternate dimension from the classic cartoon. If Disney is planning to remake Alice in Wonderland as live-action, don't EVEN think about screwing it up like what Tim did! One more thing: I hope that Dumbo turns out good, otherwise Tim will prove me right like he did with this movie!
@@ForrestFox626 Honestly, it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. Don't get me wrong, it was still bad, but at least it's not a complete rip-off like the Little Mermaid and actually made some changes to the story and took some risks.
Galaxy Wolf Agreed. I can say without a doubt Tim Burton is my favorite director of all time but franchises like Alice In Wonderland just aren't his strong suit.
1) Kinda silly then that he named this one Alice in Wonderland is calling the sequel The Looking Glass or whatever. 2) Doesn't excuse this movie from being boring as heeeelll.
KyoSohma2211 Ok, I could of phrased it better,but there is a book called The Looking Glass Wars by Frank Beddor where Alyss (pronounced Alice) is forced to leave into the real world where she is made fun of for thinking wonderland is real, so she meets meet Lewis Carroll and he writes Alice in wonderland. she gets mad and changes her name to Alice and forgets about wonderland. Right before her wedding she is brought back to wonderland to fight her aunt Redd (the Queen). There she learns that Alice is Alyss. Since they are prounonced the same way it sounds dumb in the movie, especially considering they left half of it out!!!!! The movie is soooooooooooooo boring if you compare it to the looking glass wars.
Thekingshyguy No I understood what you were saying, I was just saying that if this movie was meant to be based off The Looking Glass Wars, it's ass-backward logic to name this one Alice in Wonderland (when it's not based on that book) and to call the sequel Through the Looking Glass (which probably isn't based off The Looking Glass Wars). The movie's boring no matter what. I haven't read the books, so for me this movie was just dull and uninspired and just generally a snoozefest which is something that an Alice in Wonderland adaptation should never be. Though honestly, this movie would seem to have pretty loose connections to The Looking Glass Wars if that's the case (though it does sound like an interesting plot). I think all they were digging for in this is the shallow version of the idea that some creators have of Alice revisiting Wonderland and not remembering any of it until something/someone triggers the memories for her. As Doug and Rob pointed out in this review and in their Real Thoughts video, American McGee's Alice did the dark angle with that kind of idea much better.
I completely agree, but the reason is bcause, more people would see a movie called Alice in wonderland rather than a new movie called Looking Glass Wars. Like the click bait of movies. I can see how plot sounds boring, and that's because it kind of is, but not nearly as bad as this awful movie
Thekingshyguy I don't really think the plot sounds bad, actually. If I read the books, I would probably enjoy it. They could have gone for a secondary title, though. So that it would have Alice in Wonderland AND The Looking Glass Wars bit in there or something. It would be colloquially referred to as The Looking Glass Wars then probably. Either way, it's just kind of sad that this movie ended up so boring :( It had potential. It would probably already be improved tenfold with a different actress playing Alice. It's hard to get invested when the main character looks bored.
Maybe she doesn’t react because since she was a kid she was told she was crazy and maybe she was for she is so used to the psychotic breaks that she learned to just shut herself off
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I just realized that this movie is a rip-off of "Hook" - a pseudo-sequel to a classic fantasy story in which the main character grows up and forgets about his past as that fantasy character. He returns accidentally and all the characters act like they've met him before even though he doesn't remember. He denies it at first, but he must accept his past and become the hero once more.
Oscar Dighton thank you
Another similarity is that both fantasy lands reflect the imagination and logic of a child. The difference being that Hook kept that aspect, while Alice in Wonderland tried to make the world dark and realistic.
Which completely defeats the purpose of a land based on a child's imagination.
CommentPoster10 I
commentposter10 holy shit YOU'RE RIGHT.
CommentPoster10 its tim burton ripping off the skeleton and dipping it in black ink
Fun Fact: Hatter's switching accents was meant to show multiple personalities, which were brought on by his trauma after his family's deaths. In Through the Looking Glass, he doesn't switch accents in the past.
Either that or he's just, well...mad
I would believe that if Johnny Depp didn't do it so much in other movies
@@Wyrmington to me they should have put me in the movie. It would have been called HAMiSH IN UNDERLaND
And instead of me returning it will be my first trip to Underland.
I thought the mad hatter was just a goof ball who likes tea
@@staringcorgi6475 Johnny Depp thought it would add to his character in the live action.
Apparently in the book, the Queen of Hearts did punish everyone by ordering their heads chopped off. But once they were gone, the king would secretly pardon them and they'd go back to work once the queen forgot about them.
So the regardless of the outcome of the trial, the Knave of Hearts would have been alright the entire time considering the King would have pardoned him anyways after the sentence.
@@hunterolaughlin Pretty much.
Yes, that‘s true.
So she has an enabler, that was deep😅
Didn't the king die in the universe?
Soooo Alice in Wonderland ends with her leading the British Colonization of East Asia?
Alice the Imperialist
#bourgeoisgirlpower
Look on the bright side, at least she's finally smiling.
With the exception of Hong Kong the British didnt colonize east asia, although they did colonize a bit of southeast asia.
basically yes
15:05 ITS DA SKRIIIIIIILLLL!!!
The saddest fucking part about this movie was the "flashbacks" of young Alice coming to Wonderland for the first time actually seems like a decent, fun, slightly odd take on Wonderland and would've been MILES better than what they churned out instead.
OnlyRoke at least they tried something original, imagine a bad and predictable movie.
Daniel Ferreira why imagine something he's already reviewing?
Yeah. Even the little girl was more Alice like and way more likeable for that small seconds she was in than what we got.
Daniel Ferreira *looks at Alice in wonderland (2010)*
OnlyRoke I would've wanted THAT movie
"Yeah but I'm a celebrity. When you dress weird it's crazy; when I dress weird it's avant garde" *proceeds to walk off sassily*
THIS IS SUCH A GOOD SCENE AND I can't find anyone talking about it in the comments :(
Alexa, play "Can't get you out of my head"
I can't find the time of the scene!
I was reading this right when the scene happened to happen.
@@Rainbowthewindsage
Funny same thing just happened to me.
*Slams down hand*
I can not agree more!!!!
Gah, the part towards the end in the real world, where Alice dances in the middle of the crowd to "show them up" or whatever...it hurts.
I feel like that whole scene at the end was rushed. Like she had to go to each individual person and wrap up their conflict in 5 seconds or less.
It was the dumbest part of the movie
ShadowKnux372 The whole movie hurts
Juanmasacre 36 I was bleeding from cringe on that part of the movie
@Gideon Carney ... Goddamn it nappa
Alice's sad face: :|
Alice's angry face: :|
Alice's face when she wins a billion dollars: :|
Actress of Alice is better than the actress of Bella only by a smidge (I hate Twilight)
Critic after comparing this to Care Bears:
(Creepy Frollo Smile)
To be fair, that'd be my reaction if I found out I won a billion dollars too.
:|
@@KarateGirl999why lol
RIP Alan Rickman. May his captivating voice never fade from our memories.
Here here
finally someone who mentions him :) and i agree with you :D
Snape
He'll always be the Metatron to me
@@KRAPYBARA84 Marvin from Hitchiker's for me.
All those in favor of the Critic reviewing "Alice Through The Looking Glass," click Like. We need more Malice and Carrotjuice, folks!
and that piece of shit Looking Glass Wars whenever it ends up made into a film.
Basically, it's Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland, except it has the BALLS to say the book was "childish and silly".
Mad Hatter is a trained assassin, the chesire cat is a genetic abomination, and Alice is a magical princess.
wait... which one is bullshit for babbies again?
+Kimani Wilson-Hunte The trailer looked good
Hewylewis the last part is really sad because I loved King Steffan in the original, that Scrumps song with him and the other guy getting drunk while the bard was already smashed... I just realized how weird binge drinking in a Disney film is... But it was just a fun scene with a bunch of likable characters.
Hewylewis yeah
Ai
Burton said that he thought the book was bad and that he was improving it. I really think that says everything you need to know.
That's bs
Remember kids, it doesnt matter if the director is talented, if he doesnt like the material, this shit comes up
I agree with Burton. He turned it from whacky surrealism to bland and generic with his stylish designs to compensate.
And no, that is not sarcasm. I found the old movie so fucking random that it made it hard to follow as a child, especially since I have always despised nonsense with no overall structure.
Quincy Connors just because it isn’t your style doesn’t mean it was poorly made like this bland mush
I never liked him and now I get why
This is one of my all time favourite nostalgia critic reviews, it’s creative has lots of effort, and it’s a kind of tribute to Tim Burton with all his weirdness and creativity both good and bad.
Yeah
pitty for timmy
My worst complaint with this movie was making Alice in wonderland a chosen one narrative. In the book, and most other adaptations, she's the observer. I mean she does stuff to effect the world, like the part with the Queen of Hearts, but she was never the main drive of the story, the world was! Adding a chosen one narrative just gives the world a focus, WHICH ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE!
Now I do think a different take on a previous made world, rather it is a lighter take or darker take, can work, even one with Alice in wonderland. The problem is this "Reimagining" is that it lost sight of the original story, which is the lunacy and the WONDER of wonderland!
By the sounds of it, George Miller should be good enough for this series. He's usually pretty good when it comes to the surroundings and background being more interesting than the already interesting main character.
Eh hem. If I may. This is Disney
Their whole fucking thing is the chosen one narrative now. Name me one disney film in the last ten years without that narrative
@@nightmareeclipse8383 wreck it Ralph I think?
@@joshholland8564 That's true although now it's been 11 years since that movie came out.
When the director admits he doesn't like, relate to, or even understand the source material, but thinks it would make for some good cosplay - this is what you get.
Mr. W citation?
😂
This movie had great visuals but it was so.......colourless. Everything was just shaded over in grey instead of being eye-popping and bright. Normally I don't care if something doesn't follow the source to a T as long as it makes sense but NC is right that this version didn't. Wonderland can't work as a dramatic war movie if someone can literally sip some chicken soup and turn into a kaiju.
*TLDR:* this movie only exists as a corporate cash grab and so that edgy goth kids can feel unique about pretending to be emotionless and quoting the "i'm mad but all the best people are" bit.
powerstar 2028 being emotionless and listening to Green Day is arguably more boring
Same with anything about the joker. I like the character but edgy teens love to quote him like its some philosophical bullshit and try to act like him.
@@DystopianPigeon which one?
The second movie add color as if to show that before, everything was grey due to the war but that the wonderland recovered it's pride after Alice killed the Jaberowky, but you do have a point
As a kid, I loved this movie and it still has a soft spot in my heart due to some of the creative stuff it uses but when I watch it, it kinda hurts now due to the blandness of everyone though they are very talented actors and voice actors
I actually kinda liked this movie because the style was different. It wasn't the best movie ever but it was kinda entertaining sometimes
Ironically, seeing those few short seconds of Alice's flashback as a child already look like a better adaptation of Alice in Wonderland than what we got! The child actress isn't nearly as bland, the scenes are much more colorful (well, in comparison to the rest of the film at least), there's more energy to the characters, and it looks pretty fitting to the themes of being an observer in a world of insanity. Just those split second scenes were significantly better than the rest of the hour and forty-eight minutes we got
I absolutely hated her acting. Her permanent scowl on her face made me want to slap her.
I wanted to say just that! The actress that plays Alice as a kid actually gave us some laughing, smiling, fear and sadness. But then she...well...."grew up".
I get why everything was grungy; her father had died & the cares of adulthood had been weighing on her since her adolescence started, so her inner world was made dimmer & her imagination had suffered.
But I think it would have made more sense to do a proper trilogy, or 2 parter like the books, and start with the regular story of Alice in her childhood years where everything was vibrant bc she still had both her parents & society was not heaping expectations on her yet.
Describes "Scottish" as separate from "British". You just made a lot of friends in Scotland. ;)
Well, it is. Saying they aren't is like saying a Southern accent is the same as a New York accent jut because they are both from America.
But there is still a difference in British accents
a Scottish accent is the same as a British accent to some people? Hell has a few thousand more seats if you're free
It’s amazing how people mix us up
But Scotland is in Britain... It isn’t an English accent, but it is a British accent, just as much as a Welsh accent is.
Definitely one of Tamara's best characters, perfectly charming and sweet but also one jump cut away from a bloody splattershow~
Carrotjuice too, for that matter, but I dun't think he can be in anything else, can he?
Plus, an added bonus that she can do a pretty damn good british accent~
Nickel The Wise the alice she plays is from the game alice madness returns and that alice is actually cold mostly due to her past like the one in the film but she's brutal even after she said that she doesn't want to kill when she first got the vorpal blade. I love her!!!
Nickel The Wise We’ll see in the next review.
I don't even refer to this movie as an adaptation of the Lewis Carroll books. Just a movie that is only based on characters and events from them.
This is actually, not an adaptation of Alice in wonderland............. Its an adaptation of the looking glass wars.........................
Then why is the new one called through the looking glass?
Then why is the new one called through the looking glass?
Triple Layer Animator Tim doesn't know what he's doing and the sequel to the looking glass wars is (I believe) Through the Looking glass.
Ask Disney's marketing department. It probably wasn't Tim Burton's title.
I think Malice is the Alice from the Alice madness Returns game
Yep and a way better Alice than Tim Burton’s version
I love that game :D
It would've been a fantastic movie!
Thank you captain obvious.
American McGee's Alice/ Madness Returns would've made a better movie than this one
It's like they tried to turn wonderland into Narnia
TaylorLynn FFA but worse
At lest it was not as bad as the Voyage of the Dawn Treader movie.
Ok it was that bad but still.
Gosh I hate that move. SO MANY CHANGES!
TaylorLynn FFA you know narnia was a mess too right?
Not even, it’s like they tried to cross wonderland with Hellsing.
you stole that
THE TIM BURTON SONG (3:20)
Danny Elfman:
"It's Tim Bur-ton!
"There's spirals everywhere.
"It's Tim!
"Let's get you fucked up hair.
"It's Tim!
"Where everything is style over substence but it looks good so who cares!
"It's Tim!
"It's Tim Bur-ton!
"All angles are escew.
"It's Tim!
"With foggy lenses too!
"It's Tim!
"Where all supporting characters are Kings holding the movies under wings and all the leads are 'bout as interesting as glue!
"It's Tim!
"This world of such uniqueness has been done a million times: a dark and gloomy outlet for suberbianites to whine. And though it's saying little hipsters think it's saying more. It's selling much more whiteness than a rich albino whore.
"Remakes! Reboots! They're making us a ton,
"Of Loot! And anything that's new,
Is rare, and yes the style's showing wear and tear but all the profit's clearly there and will it get old? We don't care. Try something different we don't dare! Cause our supplies of darkened dyes are making millions by the share!
"TIM! BUR! TON!"
Malice:
"Very good. We're looking for the black rabbit if you don't mi-"
Danny Elfman:
"And now, the rendition with the whimsical choir that can only sing in vowls!
Aaa! Aaa! Aaaaaa Aa! Ooo! Ooo! Oooooo!"
Malice:
"I beg your pardon but this doesn't help us."
Danny Elfman:
"Lalalalalalalalalalalal lolololo La!"
Malice:
"If you could just direct us-"
Danny Elfman:
Aaa! Aaa! Aaaaaa Aa! Ooo! Ooo! Oooooo! Hee Hee Lalalalalala-"
Malice: "Well, I tried to be nice, excuse me."
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
(sounds of gruesome murder)
I don’t want to ruin 69 likes
that moment when the plotline of Critic's video is more coherent, tearjerking and powerful than the plot of the movie he's reviewing. niice.
Almost like he's reviewing- oh I don't know- a Disney movie?
Y’ever watched the Nutcracker 3D review? Shit hurted
Tim Burton: "I want to make a version of Alice in Wonderland that is very different from the original, and has a focus on political conflict, on how the Queen of Hearts/Red Queen is a massive evil asshole, and is more a story of a hero than a mad Fustercluck, does anyone have any ideas?"
"Butcher the original source material by not giving it the respect it deserves?" "Yeah Alright."
Me: "Why don't you just make an adaptation of Frank Beddor's 'The Looking Glass Wars'? It would fit perfectly mate."
Tim Burton: "The fuck is The Looking Glass Wars?"
Me: "Just look it up, it's kind of the plot of this movie, just actually done right."
This was an adaptation of The Looking Glass Wars. A shitty one, but an adaptation of that nonetheless.
I heard that Tim Burton supposedly only directed this movie so Disney would let him bring his animated adaptation of Franken-weenie to life. So maybe Tim's not entirely to blame. Franken-weenie was originally a short film made by Tim Burton in the '80's when he was still working with Disney and Disney didn't let him make it into a feature film because "it was too scary" (I watched it and the only scary thing to me was the dog getting run over, but that was off-screen). Meanwhile (sarcasm mode activated) apparently stabbing out eyes, dumping decapitated heads into rivers and slicing off heads is A-OK for kids.
I have to check that out!!!
Tamara's British accent is giving me life! She's such an underrated part of NC's cast.
Hmmm... A remake where the story is needlessly complicated, shares its title with the original work and the characters act in a dark and out of character way...
Sonic 06, is that you?
albertoandroidain It all makes sense now!
albertoandroidain What killed the game was the glitchy unpolished gameplay. The only thing terrible about the story was the kissing scene.
But Sonic 06 isn't a remake
Skankindead Gameplay For What I've heard, Sonic 06 was originally supposed to be a reboot of the Sonic series.
albertoandroidain I know, but Sonic 06 doesn't have any of the same plot except, "Doctor Eggman steals the emeralds."
A FEEEEEEAMLILY PICTURE!!!!!
Bring the kiddies!
Bayylien Rahn that’s funny respect
Bayylien Rahn, that's sonic x, Sonic's scare test(aka, the audience's mental scare test) in a nutshell.
@David Rosales are you laughing at both our jokes 😊or you're making fun of his name😡?
@David Rosales Oh, it's just you wrote his name with a laugh emoji with little to no explanation afterwards😯. Sorry for misinterpreting what you were laughing at. Besides Sonic X is so overrated that I'm making a reboot to show how i thought that show was going to be.
A FEEEEAMILY PICT-
Oh, oh my god, UGH, oh god... OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Bring the kiddies!
as a former goth kid of the 2000s, I still find myself genuinely wishing i could go to Burtonland...
It doesn’t exist, and Tim Burton is over rated
@@mikebernhardt92 of course it doesn't exist, are you 5?
@@mikebernhardt92 pfffttt
@@mikebernhardt92 calm down dude. No need to shut your pants while bitching
As a former goth kid in the 2000s that was only in the phase for about a month after realizing how stupid I looked in the eyes of others, I could care less about a Tim Burton inspired theme park.
Next stop: Tim Burton's Dumbo! 😑
Can't wait to see how that turns out fingers crossed
I'm gonna need an adult diaper for the Pink Elephant scene
I just have one question for all the current Disney live action remakes: why do all the male leads have to come back from a war? I mean think about it, Gaston did it and it was mentioned that the owner of the circus came back from a war too in the movie
Starman Gaming who the fuck knows how that scene turned out
Knowing Tim burton it will be fucking bat shit bonkers conkers pretty much not of this world insane
Yes that's gonna be the pink elephant scene
Also as a kid I never was scared of the pink elephant scene
It wasn’t that bad cmon
This is one of my favourite Nostalgia Critics :D
The Theorizer I didn't know you watch Nostalgia Critic!
Theres more than one?
Hello good Sir
There is only one Nostalgia Critic...
wait
you watch nostalgic critic?
Alice in Wonderland (2010) - a samey Burton film that we've basically seen at least 15 times before - $1.025 *Billion* gross. The 23rd highest grossing film of *all fucking time*.
Big Eyes - an actually interesting film, with *good* acting, that still let Tim Burton do plenty of Burtonisms, yet still actually tried new things and told a story we haven't seen a million times before - $29.3 Million.
God fucking damn it World...
Alice In Wonderland also overtook Batman as Tim Burton's highest-grossing movie.
nobody cares
And I just learnt, from your comment, that Big Eyes was an actual movie and not some kind of joke - or something that did end up being cancelled.
I liked Big Eyes too, but still it can't be compared to his best films. I think he needs to reinvent himself if he wants to stay relevant. People don't watch the Wonderland movies for him, they watch them because of the name.
Toffeebomb
Even though Tim Burton still remains as relevant today as he has been since he became an A-list director.
I wanna give the film credit for making the queen of hearts, knights cards. Things used for a game of cheating, bets, lack of trust, and sometimes resulting in death out of money just for anger about a card game. I feel this really sums up the queen of hearts character. While the white queens knights are supposed to look like chess pieces, A game that is strategic, calm, and requires whit, Also matching her character.
Mainly, it reflects the kingdoms of both the original books (cards in Wonderland, chess in Through the Looking Glass)
That said, I do admire this insightful take on it
American McGee's Alice did this years before this movie ever did.
In all truth. bith America's McGee Alice and Alice Madness Returns did a much better job at telling a Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland story... and those sold poorly.
sold poorly?
Yeah, they're a pair of videogames. I watched a playthrough, and they really hit that kind of surreal horror that you get in some interpretations really well. Pity they weren't especially well liked, I think there were gameplay issues or something - it's been a while, can't quite remember.
I wonder how Jervis Tetch would react to those games...
Yep
@@GatlingGun12 I played both and the game play can't be an issue. It played very well.
Okay, so how about making Alice a complete product of her times, then having to accept things out of the norm in order to deal with this new world, starting to think differently and accepting imagination. She would start to believe in the prophecy only to find out she really is not the "Alice" the others were talking about, but still deciding to help and in the end, winning the battle?
I'm not saying it would make things better, but at least there would be an attempt to subvert the clichés...
Yeah... ya know... like the original version? :P I mean, Alice was totally a product of her time in the book - a victorian child who only really got 'crazy' as the story went on.
I dunno. Alice didn't strike me as a typical Victorian kid in the original either to be honest.
that would be nice
Dude, but let me say this, the dresses(and armor) she wears in this movie are absolutely gorgeus, I love them so much!
THAT DRESS!!!!!
Good thing this movie won an Oscar for the costumes
That moment when American McGee’s Alice games is closer to the books than Burton’s.
Yep! And I love it more because of it creative design and amazing world design.
I wish EA went back to making good games instead of being money hungry glitch mess.
@@nathanblevins9870
"EA" never made good games, the companies under them did, and EA made those creative efforts worse ever since the company was founded, did you ever hear about Spore?
Minor thing: If the scroll foretells of every event since "the beginning", it foretells their party getting wrecked by the Jabberwocky. In a world run on complete predestination, they *can't* take precautions because they *didn't* take precautions. That scene is actually totally consistent and purely logical...Which is, of course, a huge problem for Alice in Wonderland.
Tim Burton probably didn't even stop to think about all the weird philosophical questions about fate that one point raises.
@r.jclark4641 Maybe it's more a thing of if they try to prevent it, their motions to try and stop it will cause it to occur anyway.
She is so disinterested, it's almost amazing and looks like Tim Burton was also directing just like she is acting, say this and now do this. okay, done.
She looked so uninvolved I felt that through the screen and fell asleep at some point in the cinema and my friends had to wake me up. I know shooting can be exhausting and all, but that’s just no.
Nice cosplay of Alice Madness Returns. XD
Now that is a heck of a game.
Teddy The DerpyWolfDragon yep and guess what shes a psycho to yaaaaay
Yep that was dark wonderland done right
@@climber6420 pretty good cosplay from Reboot of Watcher of the Woods TV Movie one.
@@climber6420 pretty good cosplay from Reboot of Watcher of the Woods TV Movie one.
Ever After High's 'Way Too Wonderland' is actually very tied to the book. It was done amazingly for a kids show.
The ?????? Language at 12:39 is Johnny depp
I think it's a combination of a Russian, French, and Indian accent
I think it's the krato's language: make random noises while sounding like your angry.
If only he did a Tommy Wiseau accent
Sounded like Klingon.
@@otherhand I know right!
i just realized this movie has the exact same plot as skyrim, a political power struggle between two sides (stormcloacks vs imperials, red queen vs white queen), a chosen hero(dragonborn, alice), that is prophetized somewhere(alduins wall,that magical calendar) that the hero is destined to defeat a great evil that plagues the land(alduin, jabberwocky), ultimately fullfilling its destiny, defeating the monster and saving the land.
Or perhaps this movie's plot is so generic and uses every fantasy storyteling trope
Generic
Dovahkiin dovahkiin! Lol
I love skyrim agghh
Malice might be my favorite Tamara character
Atiqah Diyana for a while I didn't know it was actually Tamera. Either that says something about my awful observation skills or something about the makeup and costume.
+Ectobiolagist maybe both
Atiqah Diyana same
Well, she's my least favorite for one reason. Bitch killed Danny Elfman! We were gonna sing Dead Man's Party later!
When me and my best friend watched a movie we would often walk out of the theater talking about the flick we had watched. I remember us looking at each other at the same time when the credits rolled up and walking out speechless until we got into her car when she asked me "What do you think?" And all could say was. " i didnt like it."
This movie is number two in my personal list of "Biggest Time Wasting Movies". I will never regain this time....and i gained nothing from it 🤦🏻♀️
shirophoenix01 What’s number one?
K1naku5ana3R1ka The last airbender
I think the only logical reason for Alice's blandness and Wonderland's growing sense of order is because, while she still is a bit ahead of the times, Alice has grown up. She would, at least, have a bit of grounding in reality when dreaming up an imaginary world, maybe to the point that it invades into the real world. As a result, Wonderland has become an inconsistent mix of dreamlike madness and human reason that only grows slowly, like a king that only recently started learning how to properly rule his kingdom. Alice's curious imagination was becoming more dull with her growing sense of realism. Think about it. Even if they don't align with our own, insanity follows rules too.
As much as I like this explanation, you _know_ that when this film was being written, this wasn't in mind.
Good point.
I support this opinion and I have always viewed this movie as her having to figure out has she can function on the world with her own sense of insanity.
But what insanity? They don't actually establish any insanity; all they tell us is she had a dream as a kid, and even that dream might actually have been her actual visit to the actual Wonderland, which would mean she has no madness at all, she's just the millionth Jane Austen knock-off character who, for no reason, spent a day in an alternate universe. If they showed her as a wild, precocious, manic pixie dream child, then maybe this would make sense.
I do agree with your argument. However it’s not just that she is an adult. It’s that she is not actually insane. A good example of a well written adult Alice is Alice madness returns. She is more grown up and independent but still very much insane and Mad. This works as her delusions are just that. Delusions. Hey make no sense and have no grounded sense or laws where this movies wonderland does. You can make Alice an adult you just have to balance it out in a sense. But you made a very good point
"I think this calls for a good bleeding, that solves everything in this time period" Critic was ahead of the curve of medieval doctor memes
The thing that really annoyed me was the end. She goes back to the real world and acts like the lesson she learned was "make your own destiny", but she learned just the opposite in "Underland", "shut up and do what destiny tells you to do."
The ending really hit home for me. Proper strong message, Truely inspirational and heartwarming to see Critics love for a series of movies that shapped him into who he is now
They probably thought they were so clever using the Lewis Carol poem the jabberwock as their plot
I really wish that the twist was that she WASN'T the first Alice and that she's, like, her granddaughter or something.
That would have been actually surprising. If the twist was that she WASN'T The Alice.
Good thing Alice's Wonderland Bakery used that idea.
"That sounds like a made up world for a Fruit of the Loom commercial!"
Me: *desperately hugs my Suzanne Collins collection*
"It's okay dears, he didn't mean it."
YES!!! Yes, yes, yes, yes, Yes! Thank you. I honestly didn't expect anyone to say something like that. Not sure why I was so pleased with it except that I don't think that series gets nearly enough attention. I love that whole series.
So if the movie takes place in Underland, then it's technically Undertale.
I Wish!
It's more like Deltarune, because of the card motifs.
@@phoenixsnilloc995 the best plot twist would be at the end of the credits, we appear in the red queens basement, and find the jaberwalkie’s original master, with two shadow piercing eyes, before all goes black and we hear them laugh wildly
“Alice is home at last!”
Malice? Sounds like something Maleficent would name her daughter.
I thought so too! But they called her daughter in Descendants Mal. Could be short version of it though.
Or mal
Bronson Ferrigno you know a names good when it was a collosis
Yeah, but...Descendants is awful.
"Joan of...Meh."
Wait is the caterpillar Professor Snape
yes
Tomasz Losinski
You're a hypocritical dullard.
Suicide Cyborg RIP Alan Rickman...
benito franco Damn u for making me sad 😥😥😥😥😥
it's actually Hans Gruber
I hate that every time Johnny Depp is in something, it becomes the "Johnny Depp Show." He gets really irritating after awhile and I'm sorry but I find him overrated. Honestly so is Helena Bonham Carter. Nostalgia Critic is right. They do play the same characters over and over and usually the characters come with huge slices of ham.
When it's Tim Burton, it becomes the "Johnny Depp, Helena Bonham Carter and Tim Burton Show." They might as well have called it "Tim Burton's Johnny Depp's The Mad Hatter and Helena Bonham Carter's The Red Queen with guest appearance by Mia Wasikowska as Alice."
It's how I feel about the book After Alice by Gregory Maguire. There isn't enough magic, enough illogic, enough madness, enough Alice.
Though the working title of the original book was Alice's Adventures Underground.
Still, thank God Johnny Depp and Tim Burton did a fucking awesome job on the movie "Ed Wood". XD
I'm in that weird place between "Tim Burton is one of the greatest of all time" and "Tim Burton is so overrated that I kinda hate him".
He has made some of the best movies I've ever seen (Batman), but also some of the most annoying, made even worse by the fact that I'm automatically expected to adore it as much as everyone else does (Nightmare Before Christmas).
@@officialclownbusiness7788 you hate a nightmare before Christmas? I know it's a bit over-rated but it's still a great movie
@@mariobeaupre1626 I personally have a hard time enjoying since it has been overhyped so much. Everyone expects me to love it so much but I just can’t cause I just don’t personally enjoy it.
@@PmpknHead maybe for you, but I don't care, if I love a movie, the hype won't make me change that
Critic please do the sequel, Through the Looking Glass
Eremikashipper 4ever then we'll get Malice and the Black Rabbit again! Yesss.
Eremikashipper 4ever Doug is doing a Disney Live Action remake month in March. I think Alice through the Looking Glass is going to be one of the reviews.
They did throw up a picture that have Malice and the black rabbit
Eremikashipper 4ever He will, in 2018.
Congrats, it's next week's review.
Wait, you're a celebrity? I thought that you were just a random guy, in his office, yelling at anything that moved.
Hell if you can be a celebrity for doing.........Whatever the hell Kim Kardasian does
Ben Pesh no that’s his over the top fans
_HA HA!_ *So funny!*
Ben Pesh
Same and Same.
Like AVGN
Mia was phenomenal in Jane Eyre and Stoker, she probably wasn't very impressed with the script and thought "Screw this."
It apparently was Burton’a directions to be internal and not emote. She auditioned five times for this role and then got stuck with a shite director.
@Lemon Grab You really underestimate how much power a director can have over a performance. Plus, there might have been better takes where she did show more emotion, but the director and/or editors picked the most bland takes for whatever reason.
6:41 “when in doubt, stay silent”
THE MOST BRITISH PHRASE IVE EVER HEARD 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
1. Remain*
2. What does that have to do with British people? 🤣
British people are the furthest thing from "silent"
Absolum's revealing of the truth was supposed to be Alice's revelation, not the audience's. But that doesn't excuse the flaws in the buildup.
This film divides me. I like its visual aesthetic, but it's plot is rather strange. It's not that it makes sense or not, it's that it can't decide whether or not it wants to make sense or not. However, the film nonetheless represents imagination and whimsicalness against the structured order of reality. So warts and all, i think it more or less accomplishes its goal, even if not everyone agrees how it did so.
Danny Elfman’s music is good in Spider-Man 2002, Batman Returns, BTAS theme and Batman 1989
Nightmare Before Christmas
Agreed!
Edward Scissorhands.
and alice in wonderland
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?
Whenever people talk about Tim Burton they never mention The Corpse Bride which makes me sad. The Corpse Bride is my FAVORITE Tim Burton movie.
Well if it makes you feel better I also love The Corpse Bride :)
I love Corpse Bride too it's so underrated but Sleepy Hollow is my all time favorite Tim Burton film. Followed by The Nightmare Before Christmas and Beetlejuice.
Fellow Corpse Bride fan here. That is peak Burton-style stop-motion!
Of the many annoying things about this adaptation, the one that really gets me is calling the Jabberwock the Jabberwocky -- he's called the Jabberwock in the damn poem, ffs! "Beware the Jabberwock my son...", "And hast thou slain the Jabberwock..." Did they really think it would be too confusing to audiences to use the original name, as though they would start saying "B-b-b-but the poem is called Jabberwocky, though the monster is a Jabberwock!" [starts walking into walls].
HOLY SHIT, i thought i was the only one! FINALLY someone else who knows that's it's a Jabberwock!
1 thing that pisses me off is how the Dormouse is an active warrior instead of being tired all the time. I mean, seriously, the dormouse is known for long period hibernation and is even named after the word 'dormire' which is Latin for 'sleepy'.
I remember reading the poem at school
Not to defend this idiotic movie, when I have a dream about needing to be a hero, I do care what happens. It may not mean anything because it's a dream but I have to save people who need saving.
Formoka yeah I do that in my dreams too. I don’t know why.
Alice saying "off with your head!" was kind of badass
Honestly, that 5 seconds of the movie was good
I'll give it a point there, that scene was pretty damn cool.
Let’s take it further
Dorothy says “I’ll get YOU my pretty” before throwing a bucket of water on the witch
Wendy says “Prepare to die, Hook!” before stabbing Hook in the chest
Belle says “Be our guest” before pushing Gaston off the castle
"you can make it dark and intense" point in case American Mcgee's Alice
Well the accent switching could be seen as madness
It's a very lame madness then
ilopominecrafter This isn't madness. THIS. IS. SPARTA!
mach6247
It's a very lame film.
Wait!In the sixth book in the chronicles of Narnia:"The Silver Chair" by C. S. Lewis a place called "Underland" is explored! Copy much?
people who care
+Wednesday Addams
That basically further cements that Burton's Alice in Wonderland feels a lot like a Narnia-wannabe (only "darker and edgier").
+Hermione Granger,dear you obviously didn't read Alice in Wonderland,as there is no mention of "Underland" in it.
None.
So please hush.
read it all the way several times. great read. another? try the space trillogy, well the first 2.
I'm old enough to remember when Silver Chair was the fourth book, before they moved Magician's Nephew to #1 from #6. So, uh, yay me! I guess..
hey Danny Elfman's score is the best thing about the Tim Burton Alice movies. he's still very good, except 50 Shades of Grey. somebody must have blackmailed him
Justice league says hi
Personally I wouldn’t be too hard on the movie for calling it under land, because the original title of Alice in Wonderland was Alice and her adventures underground. Calling it under land is actually pretty appropriate, when you consider that.
That song was fucking savage.
Dylan L I agree
Especially the chorus that only sings in vowels.
And accurate
Oddly enough, the DS Game of this movie is better than the actual movie. In the game, Alice actually has a personality and is like 10 to 13. Alice usually cries whenever you leave her behind for too long. And you play as either the White Rabbit, the Caterpillar (or Absolem as he's now called) , the Mad Hatter, and Cheshire. The entire goal is to find actually pieces of the actual land of Wonderland. The Red Queen separated the land into puzzle pieces and you can actually switch the actually correct pieces into the map and go to another place in an instant. I can't really explain it, you just have to experience it yourself. I personally loved it. I wish the movie was more like the game.
Heaven The Angel what's the title of that DS game?
The Ultimate McNugget Nagi it's just called Alice in Wonderland.
@@HeavTheAnge that game is so good and i loved playing Alice in Wonderland an adventure beyond the mirror and this game called Alice in Labyrinth and Alice in Wonderland a new champion and a Alice game where you play Alice running and a Christmas Alice running theme game.
My favorite video games are of Alice are American Mcgee's Alice snd Alice Madness Returns.
I love how malice is the American Mcgee version
steelx357 7 Malice is basically a yandere
His games would've made a better movie than Tim Burton's movie.
@@umbreongaming8001 she wasn't originally but public perception changed that, and I fucking hate it.
The Jabberwocky was one of my absolute favorite stories as a little kid. As a result, the Jibber-Jabber joke is one of my favorite parts of this whole review. I also can't imagine The Cheshire Cat would even bring up the rebellion in conversation unless directly prompted to answer questions about it. It's more likely he would have no interest in the topic whatsoever.
Nobody gonna mention how the original name for Wonderland was going to be underland, before the author of the book changed it?
Lord Raven Probably because he knew how dumb it sounded.
@@cartoonnetworkdisneyxdsupe6864 It's just one letter away from Sunderland. 😜
Nobody’s going to mention it because it’s not true. It was going to be Alice’s Adventures UnderGROUND.
The references to american mcgees alice games are great
Definitely
The "did you steal my tarts" scene was pretty funny tho
Theitsybitsyspider Nice profile pic.
W
Theitsybitsyspider I think it would be torturing
Doug's shrine to Tim from his childhood is kind of adorable
Doug summed it up perfectly when he said that you can't bring logic and revolution in Alice and Wnderland because to win all you need is to eat the stuff that makes you big and you can stomp all your enemies to death!
+Tad Dad the sword would be small and she'd stab him woth it easily.
Red Hood agaisnt a giant, actualy agile creature that could kill him from above with laser beam breath or, alternatively, just land on the bitch.
Tad Dad the sword would be a needle and the dragon would be an easily dodgeable yarn ball,do the math.
Red Hood if you so happen to have superhuman abilities and not wearing platmail.
this movie is bad because it's not Alice in Wonderland it's, grown up Alice in Harry potter/Lord of rings ... land
Tamara is great in this one.
I feel like this an uninspired, untimely answer to Hook.
RETURN TO CHILDHOOD FANTASY LAND:
"Is that the real Peter/Alice all grown up?"
"Dunno, it's been so long and he/she is so different now.
"I hope he/she is. We need him/her to take care of this menacing threat. Maybe he/she will pull it together and remember who he/she is by the third act."
But where Hook was charming, used practical effects, and didn't pretend to be bigger than it was; AIW falls into the shitty traps of underdeveloped characters and an "Epic Battle To Save Our World!" crap that nobody cares about. Although CGI is the monosodium glutamate of the modern movie world that Hook would have definitely used were it made today.
bencamp18 Also, Robin Williams is amazing.
underland huh? So this is set in Australia?
Giant monsters that seems about right!
As an australian i can confirm
No, even though Alice is played by an Australian.
69th liker
I assume that it means this was some sort of underworld but the film doesn't seem to care
This is one of those films that I TOTALLY get why people dont like, and I dont get mad over it, but I still have appreciation and enjoyment over. Oh it is definitely not a great movie, but I actually appreciate the dark artistry and visuals, and outside of the violence I found to be entertained by this movie. Dont really know why, kind of like a guilty pleasure
The sequel looks visually stunning, especially Sasha's time king character. And Its the director of the Muppets and I loved that movie (not the sequel that much....) And Wonderland SEEMS brighter, so Im giving it a chance but not expecting a great story
same. I love this film, totally get why others don't but I had great enjoyment watching it
So it's a guilty pleasure for you
+TheSherlockedAvatar It has its moments, for sure. Seeing a Bandersnatch visually realized was great. The Cheshire Cat and March Hare's performances and matching animations are brilliant.
+TheSherlockedAvatar
You summed my opinion of the movie... Perfectly and the sequel. It's strangely enjoyable isn't it?
Black Star
See thing is I know it's crap but the visuals have a lot of imagination in them but I actually don't think it's good. It all depends on tastes and opinions.
If you don't like it that's fine but at least understand why we like it
And this movie is getting a sequel. Ugh...
+Mr. Game & Watch i must say the trailer dosent look that bad...atleast it will be awesome to look at :D i will watch it for sure
+Mr. Game & Watch IT GETS !?!?!?!? im crying. No seriously, I have tears in my eyes :'(
+Mr. Game & Watch
Oh no... This calls for the emergency button!!!!!
nooooooooooooooo.com/
+Mr. Game & Watch it made over a billion at the box office
dont blame the studio
+MCVivi Underland*
Who else is waiting for them to review Burton's Through the Looking Glass?
Burton didn't direct Through the Looking Glass
Burton didn't direct Through the Looking Glass
He didn't? But it looked like the same actor's and everything....(just goes to show how much I know....)
He didn't directed it, but he produced it, so...it can explain some things.
I don't think they saw it
As a long time fan of Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass, who actually knows the difference between the Red Queen and the Queen of Hearts and that the monster is called the Jabberwock while the poem is called Jabberwocky, this film really hurt to see, especially since I was so excited to see it when it was first announced. :(
I can excuse merging the Queen of Hearts and Red Queen in adaptations that blend both books' worlds (which is almost every one of them), and the Jabberwock(y) distinction was negligible. That said, I couldn't help but be disappointed in this movie, though my only real gripe was with the derivative plot.
I thought Alice Through the Looking Glass was much better. Sure, time travel is another big cliche, but at least the film had a little more fun with its premise, and the nods and easter eggs were delightful. I love that they put a spotlight on Time, a character who's only briefly mentioned in the books and doesn't get much more attention in adaptations.
I remember when this movie came out I didn't see the original and my parents had me see the new one. I was 7 at the time, and don't remember much of the movie other than the fact it scared the living shit our of me. xD
The "?????"-accent of Depp sounded kinda like Klingon xD
Entropy Zero or Moriarty
I've always hated this movie. The sequel is even worse, It's nothing like the actual 'into the looking glass' story. Both movies are absolute shit. A way better adaptation is Alice in Wonderland 1985.
This review is MOST UNORTHODOX!!!!
The whole "Is this the right Alice?" subplot was handled really stupidly. We see Alice talking about Wonderland when she's a little girl, so we *know* she's the same Alice who was there before. Her insisting she's not the right Alice and believing she's in a dream is just a big waste of time while we wait for her to finally remember.
The things I truely adore about Nostalgia Critic's videos, is they always have this over-the-top physical comedy acting for joke scenes, as well as video effects that look fake and obviously not meant to look realistic, which gives it an un-serious and entertaining charm to it.
Physical comedy has always been charming, and is my favourate type of comedy apart from intentionally bad-looking editing (that isn't awful to the extreme unless the entire theme is about it being extremely shitty).
So the unusual exaggerated body movements, especially the goofy expressions, almost never fails to be charming within your videos, and can usually get a chuckle out of me, yet still focusing on the review and pointing out it's flaws without being a total killjoy, especially because it seems you're the one that can do it best, so it gives it a refreshing original taste, especially because the usual review is made on games.
Jontron is very similar to you, but has a different style, and reviews games. Still gets me laughs, but your content is original because of it's longer jokes with bigger physical comedy.
5:20 Alice in Wonderland: Genocide Run
THE GEEK CLUB lol
*Wondertale
no. Amarican Magees Alice
THE GEEK CLUB *Under* land, it's *Under* land now...
THE GEEK CLUB No. Fuck you, fuck you and fuck you.
1,000,000 SUBS YES AFTER SO LONG
24:01 - 24:54 That was basically me when I first saw this movie. It drove me nuts that Tim Burton, one of the few directors that I like, can't even get his own movie title right.
This alone shows how much Tim has fallen from his film career. His first movies, like "The Nightmare Before Christmas" and "Edward Scissorhands" were good, but since he kept using the same stuff over and over for his other movies, such as gloomy atmospheres, dark tones, the same composer and the same two actors, it gets boring really fast! When this movie came along, it seemed to me that he was done. He's out of ideas. Also, this is more like a spin-off movie than a sequel or whatever Tim called it. Like an alternate dimension from the classic cartoon. If Disney is planning to remake Alice in Wonderland as live-action, don't EVEN think about screwing it up like what Tim did!
One more thing: I hope that Dumbo turns out good, otherwise Tim will prove me right like he did with this movie!
What did you think of Dumbo?
@@ForrestFox626 Honestly, it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. Don't get me wrong, it was still bad, but at least it's not a complete rip-off like the Little Mermaid and actually made some changes to the story and took some risks.
I love Tim Burton but I did NOT like this movie!
Galaxy Wolf Agreed. I can say without a doubt Tim Burton is my favorite director of all time but franchises like Alice In Wonderland just aren't his strong suit.
Galaxy Wolf same
This is actually, not an adaptation of Alice in wonderland............. Its an adaptation of the looking glass wars.........................
1) Kinda silly then that he named this one Alice in Wonderland is calling the sequel The Looking Glass or whatever. 2) Doesn't excuse this movie from being boring as heeeelll.
KyoSohma2211 Ok, I could of phrased it better,but there is a book called The Looking Glass Wars by Frank Beddor where Alyss (pronounced Alice) is forced to leave into the real world where she is made fun of for thinking wonderland is real, so she meets meet Lewis Carroll and he writes Alice in wonderland. she gets mad and changes her name to Alice and forgets about wonderland. Right before her wedding she is brought back to wonderland to fight her aunt Redd (the Queen). There she learns that Alice is Alyss. Since they are prounonced the same way it sounds dumb in the movie, especially considering they left half of it out!!!!! The movie is soooooooooooooo boring if you compare it to the looking glass wars.
Thekingshyguy
No I understood what you were saying, I was just saying that if this movie was meant to be based off The Looking Glass Wars, it's ass-backward logic to name this one Alice in Wonderland (when it's not based on that book) and to call the sequel Through the Looking Glass (which probably isn't based off The Looking Glass Wars). The movie's boring no matter what. I haven't read the books, so for me this movie was just dull and uninspired and just generally a snoozefest which is something that an Alice in Wonderland adaptation should never be. Though honestly, this movie would seem to have pretty loose connections to The Looking Glass Wars if that's the case (though it does sound like an interesting plot). I think all they were digging for in this is the shallow version of the idea that some creators have of Alice revisiting Wonderland and not remembering any of it until something/someone triggers the memories for her. As Doug and Rob pointed out in this review and in their Real Thoughts video, American McGee's Alice did the dark angle with that kind of idea much better.
I completely agree, but the reason is bcause, more people would see a movie called Alice in wonderland rather than a new movie called Looking Glass Wars. Like the click bait of movies. I can see how plot sounds boring, and that's because it kind of is, but not nearly as bad as this awful movie
Thekingshyguy
I don't really think the plot sounds bad, actually. If I read the books, I would probably enjoy it. They could have gone for a secondary title, though. So that it would have Alice in Wonderland AND The Looking Glass Wars bit in there or something. It would be colloquially referred to as The Looking Glass Wars then probably. Either way, it's just kind of sad that this movie ended up so boring :( It had potential. It would probably already be improved tenfold with a different actress playing Alice. It's hard to get invested when the main character looks bored.
Maybe she doesn’t react because since she was a kid she was told she was crazy and maybe she was for she is so used to the psychotic breaks that she learned to just shut herself off
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While I agree there are more interesting ways to show that
I freaking love Mad Hatters look in this film.
Me too! And the makeup was amazing!
Ok
He looks more like Captain Jack Sparrow if he took meth.
too bad His actor sucks
I agree