Alice Through the Looking Glass - Nostalgia Critic
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Audiences and critics didn't enjoy Alice's second adventure, but Nostalgia Critic sees if it was better or worse than the first one. Let's take a look at Alice Through the Looking Glass.
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Alice Through the Looking Glass is a 2016 American fantasy adventure film directed by James Bobin, written by Linda Woolverton and produced by Tim Burton, Joe Roth, Suzanne Todd, and Jennifer Todd.
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Disney Live-Action month continues!! What did everyone think of Alice Through the Looking Glass?
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Pretty please review the Simpson's movie 2007
Channel Awesome I can’t wait until you review the jungle book
It sucks
Channel Awesome do you still use stardust
jebblottin92 you can
Actually, Time was a character in the books, though unseen. In one of the Mad Hatter's dialogues, he says that he once got in trouble with the Queen of Hearts, who proclaimed that he was killing the time. Time took this as a threat and altered time for the Hatter, making all the time tea-time. So yes, in the books, Hatter IS trapped in tea-time, though he enjoys it nonetheless.
Lightning Nerd thats...intresting...Man I've got to read the book sometime
Yea but in here it’s one minute till tea time that Time traps them in so it makes them unable to do anything? I don’t know, this movies still pretty stupid.
Well, Doug also didn't know Charlie Bucket's dad isn't dead in the book, so I'm kinda not surprised he missed that detail.
+Lightning Nerd
Is it redundant to say:"Everything you said sounds maddening?"
Lightning Nerd the analysis we did in class, came back to how Lewis Carroll saw tea parties, as some unending spectacle. Time cursing, wasn't something that bothered them, because they loved tea parties, and one that didn't end, was actually quite enjoyable to them.
Simple solution for the entire premise:
Have the hatter go actually mad over the loss of his family and have him attempt to time travel. Alice has to go after him, teaching him that he has to deal with his loss like everyone else.
Lagiacrus Oh... my god. You just wrote a better movie in like, two sentences. And since he is, indeed, the MAD Hatter, that would be keeping in character. How did you do that!?
I thought of exactly the same thing watching this review! It'd make so much more sense!
Lagiacrus congrats, you made a better movie
Lagiacrus Man, a shame the person who wrote the script for this movie didn't take the time to think of that....
Can you please replace Linda Woolverton as the screen writer thanks
“And I was in a mental institution-“
“Well that I believe.”
I laughed so much
Damn game kicked a lotta ass
@@ShazeemKhan what about the centipede?
@@hamishmacfleetwood5229 centipede?
@@ShazeemKhan I guess you haven’t seen American McGee’s Alice.
6:46 In a deleted scene there was actually a reason for Alice to be so urgent in leaving. She had tackled the ginger guy in the party because he squashed the butterfly, and was running from the guards. That would have been better to include.
Nunya E. Bizznass's Edits Awww that butterfly died? I liked him
I'm guessing they decided not to add that scene due to the death of Alan Rickman
@@emmacrooke807 probably, but still, it would have been cool to see
Alice: “Screw Time and possibly all reality! I have to save the Hatter!”
Time: “But the Hatter will also die!”
Alice: “I have to save the Hatter!”
Our heroine, everyone.
MQF II But it’s for the greater good, the Hatter was sad
I misread "Hatter" as "Hitler" in that comment... o.o
I rather much prefer Mallymkun as the hero.
The hatter was dying and Alice said to time when he was dying she would only use the chromosphere one more time.
Cut her some slack, she was in a mental institution. We just humor her
Soldier: We are out numbered. Our country is doomed
General: But the Hatter was sad.
Sounds about right
We are outgunned (What), outmanned (what), outnumbered, outplanned!
Madisyn Golab 🎵we gotta make an all out stand, but I’m gonna need a right hand man!🎶
I’m imagining that in Doug’s voice XD
I'm honestly surprised that Critic didn't mention that this was Alan Rickman's last film.
This movie was depressing enough how bad it was. Don't need to be reminded that it's a great actor's last work.
@@antonmasters8626 Well, the first film released in 2010 was Michael Gough’s last role as well.
He had a movie called “eye in the sky” costarring Helen mirren come about two months after this
@@hunterolaughlin It's funny that people like to point that Depp and Bonham Carter have been in a lot of Tim Burton Films, but never mention Gough, who has been in five(Batman, Batman Returns, Sleepy Hollow, Corpse Bride and Alice)
@@antonmasters8626 thank u
Oh you know, Wonderland! The land of parents being disappointed in their children, and where the monarchy has strict rules, and where hats are to conform to society, and where there is society in general, in fact! Don't you all remember!?!
_For me (In my adaptation)... Wonderland does have a society, but it's completely different. It has little to no decency. Little to no laws, little to no rules, little to no boundaries. The most ridiculous dresses from the runways are casual wear there, the biomes are very different and unique, it has its own set of laws of physics, its own bizarre atmosphere, and the global monarchy (Rulers of Wonderland) contains the King and Queen of Hearts. Two bloodthirsty tyrants who let Wonderland be ruled by chaos and like to decapitate everyone they see._
Underland
I read that as Yonderland for a second 😂
Why couldn’t Alice go back to when The Hatter saw the thing that triggered his depression and just like move it
TIME PARADOX!!!
Keegan Stormblade But preventing his familys death to prevent his depression would also creat a paradox.
Ira Neff good point 😆
Nasty Neff Because that would be too smart for Alice
@@TheCobwebQueen but not for a raptor
This was *most unorthodox*
Fenix 😂
There is orthodox and then there is unorthodox. This is most unorthodox.
The orthodox levels are most UN!
at some point, doesn't being "most unorthodox" end up being quite orthodox?
UNORTHODOX
Moral of the story: The hatter is a severe Drama Queen who will go to the lengths of DYING to make you do as he wishes. Yup. That’s about right.
BUT HE WAS SAAAAAD!!! 🤮🤮🤮
(and he was an ugly-as-sin attention whore who had Alice ready to let Time die).
Might as well change his name to The Whiny Hatter.
@@disneyvillainsfan1666 **Wheeze** Good one
"Give him some prozac, get him laid and watch Fresh Prince of Bel Air." Had me in stitches!
Underland was the original name Lewis Carroll used when he wrote the short story he later turned into the full book. He changed it to Wonderland later. It's one of the few times Tim Burton actually showed familiarity with the source material.
Huh, the more you know lol
"Wonderland" is definitely catchier.
....I learned something new today.
Cool, I had no idea!
There's a reason why Carroll changed the name.
When Sacha Baron Cohen acts way more subtle and lowkey than both Depp and Carter.
It helps that Time is also a better written character than both of them.
BUT THE HATTER WAS SAD!
Just get him to listen to some lofi hop and callit a day.
*BUT DUH HATTAH WAS SAAAAAAAAD!*
No one cares
Boo fuckety hoo
Not as sad as I was after witnessing this monstrosity.
I’ve tried 5 times to make it past 10 minutes.
I give up🙄😩
Well, considering how they treated 'female hysteria' back then... let's just say that wouldn't have been very kid friendly.
Lisa Plambeck How?
@@Lucy-nw4im really you don't know?
dimebag88m Well I’ve got a sense of an idea based on undertones and you’re reluctance, but I’d appreciate if you’d expand? If it’s what I suspect, then you can just say that.
@@Lucy-nw4im I could say it two ways, the way by not saying it directly or just saying it. So: 1. It is using a thing which is nowadays smaller (or depending if you want it being bigger, it can be bigger) which women use for pleasure and 2. They used one kind of a vibrator back then
exactly what I thought when he said 'hysteria'. was looking for that comment
Wellp, given how "female hysteria" was treated in the victorian age, that mental institute scene could have become a bit.......... not Disney friendly...
I'm a bit disappointed over how far I had to scroll to find this comment and the fact that NC didn't bring up this fact.
Given how female hysteria was treated in the Victorian age, I would be in no rush to leave.
Teri G And niether would Alice. XD
When I found out that the doctor was played by the Moriarty from BBC's Sherlock, I lost my shit laughing because a fangirl would stay and receive the "treatment"
A family picture
"You look like Pennywise about to french me" hahahahaha I can't breathe
Apparently there are people into that now.
You can't breathe but you can type?
"Kiss me fatboy!"
Don't you mean "Wa-ha! Wa-ha! Wa-ha!"?
So how come she had no money being a merchant and traveling around the world (wasn't that the whole reason to travel -> to make money). Why would no one tell Alice that in changing the past she would destroy the world (or similar to it), and how could the script justify that Alice realized she can't change the past and still tried doing it ....?
I do not know. Sorry.
Also, why is everyone whispering their lines? I could barely understand some of the actors.
Yeah, I hate it when they do that in movies.
@@bellametallica Trying to be seductive and edgy, I fucking guess?
When I was young I thought whispering while talking was an american thing because I would always see that in movies lol guess not
Thank you ! I felt like I was alone in that case.
Actually, the point with Time making it 1 minute to tea time is kinda in the books.
Hatter felt he had offended time somehow and thus the Whole tea party was trapped at 1 minute to tea time for eternity. But that was part of hatters madness in the book and alices appearance changed nothing
Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but I would have sworn the Hatter was being punished for killing time.
RoseLaflesh If I recall correctly, the Queen of Hearts called for the Mad Hatter to be executed for “killing the time”. Time, out of respect to the Hatter, stopped herself permanently at teatime.
From the book
“We quarreled last March...it was at the great concert given by the Queen of Hearts, and I had to sing...Well I’d hardly finished the first verse....when the Queen bawled out ‘He’s murdering time!’ Off with his head!’...and ever since that....he wo’n’t do a thing I ask! It’s always six o’clock now”
The ....are where I cut out some side comments to streamline things.
But yeah time got pissed at the hater and made it so it’s always tea time for him.
Also I question how many people actually got beheaded on a regular basis as it was super easy for Alice to save the gardeners who painted the roses red in the book by hiding them. And several other characters who are supposed to be beheaded don’t for some reason or another including at one point the King pardoning them. The Queen yelling off with their head is an empty threat that’s part of the madness of wonderland more than anything. (Disney showing the cards getting dragged off to be executed misses the point of this, probably to make the queen more of a threat.)
*The mental institution* seems like a reference to *the American McGee game.* The scenery on the roof is like an exact copy of one of the areas of the game.
ai i, McGee version was better and would be a brilliant movie.
Kinda wish he finished the Oz project
speaking of mcgee
Well, Tamara is dressing up like American McGee's Alice
I've wanted that for years and years but all we got was Disney's dull crap.
You know what would have been a good movie? And 18 th century adventure movie about a older noble woman and her adventures teenage daughter travelling the high seas and seeing the wonders of the world. I would love to see that.
I would see it. AS LONG AS Alice doesn't go to Wonderland. That place is boring with too many rules.
NOT ME AND MY FRIEND CREATING A COMIC WITH THIS PREMISE ABOUT ALICE AND HER TWIN DAUGHTERS I'M--
Are you reading our minds? It certainly looks like it--
Alice In Wonderland is set in the 19th century, the 1800s. The 18th century was the 1700s. I know, it can be a little confusing.
I like how the psychiatrist in the mental ward is Moriarty from Sherlock. Ironic really....
It scares me that Tim Burton is making a Dumbo remake
MegaSoulHero WHAT!?
MegaSoulHero oh
Lord
Aw shit
oh god no
MegaSoulHero What ?!
5:52 Chinese culture was considered exotic and interesting back during the British Empire. Alice would have spent most of that night having people admiring her dress and request to buy it.
Doesn't change the fact it's ugly as sin.
Igorowan maybe by modern standards but back then, she'd have others swooning over that dress
Tavern Burner, Yeah taken into account she has been to places we were “visiting” I think most would overlook her unladylike attitude and want to hear about what she has seen.
Paladin Boyd it's like if we were shunning a austronaught wearing clothes from an alien civilization.
Tavern Burner, Yeah. It makes no sense.
The thing that made me more pissed off was the fact that they began a war that lasted literally FOR YEARS.....just by a cookie
You could say it's... MAD?
No. It's just dumb.
Technically, the tarts debacle didn't start the war. The coronation was what started the war. The tarts thing started a childhood grudge, that grew into a lifetime of resentment and bitterness, which culminated in the events of the coronation. Add to that the fact that the Red Queen's deforming head injury probably had an effect on her brain, making her emotionally impaired and thus more anger-prone.
Anything can sound ludicrous when you put the beginning and end points next to each other and treat them as the whole story. But the fact is, they're just Point A and Point B, and the journey between them is what makes up the story.
When you think about it, these movies actually map out a fairly reasonable backstory for the Red Queen, and while that does go against the whole point of Wonderland being nonsensical and illogical, it is still a remarkable attempt to add a method to the madness.
I mean, getting upset over a Tart isn't exactly out of character for The Queen Of Hearts.
@@disneyvillainsfan1666 You can make an entire kingdom Hearths world based on a fight revolving a biscuit
I mean in our world we had a war over a tea kettle that lasted years
Can we talk about how dangerous the lesson in this movie this can be?! Giving up your dreams for your family for the simple reason that they're related to you?! That really bothers me. I have several friends that have toxic families that this lesson would be damaging to if they had seen it when they were younger.
leadingstrangeness I have some family members that I would LOVE to see get plowed by a semi
Oh NOW you complain about that message?
I don't think that was really the message they were going for. I think the message was more that you have to let go of some things in time in order to evolve and grow as a person. Alice and her mother kept what was most important to them (their ship, and Time himself as a friend), while the Hatter kept his eccentric style and his own family, which were most important to him. The Red Queen and Hamish are "toxic" characters who ultimately have to change, whether by choice or force, and learn that they cannot get what they want by coercing others into giving things up just so they can have power.
I know right?! That's actually really Toxic the more I think about it.
I really didn't like that the film made post-Jabberwock era just... England. That's it. Just look at the Hatter's family and the people around them. It doesn't feel like wonderland with everyone acting mad and goofy, it just feels like Victorian England with anthropomorphic add-ons. I thought the Hatter's family would be just as bright, wacky and colorful as him but no, they're totally normal and he's an outcast. What's fun about that? And he's suddenly depressed because he didn't apologize to his asshole father who's last words were "you're a disappointment"??I get his siblings and mother but even they really didn't do anything to stop the insults or try to keep him from leaving, they just stood by watching
In the book the mad hatter and March Hair were literally cursed by time to be never quite tea time.
That was the ONE thing that I as a fan of the book got SO excited about in this horrid movie.
I thought it wasnt a curse but a disagreement
They simply thought that they had angered the time but it wasn't confirmed by anyone else. Prooving their insanity and lack of logic. ^^
I was just about to make the same comment. Kudos to you for knowing the source material.
it was sort of a curse, the book said "the hatter was killing time, but time didn't like it"
"I think this might actually work.." Famous last words....
“What’s that? Why yes, I’d love to play football with you. *GASP* Except I don’t have my tux!”
My sides hurt
Rhett Dilley Reminiscent of the movie, "The Room," where the men wore tuxedos or suits while playing football pass.
@@l0r3st0 no fucking shit
@@l0r3st0
Thanks for telling us the fucking obvious...
@@l0r3st0 Hahaha what a funny story L0r3st0
@@l0r3st0 Actually i think he meant 'The Background' where people wore swimsuits playing baseball.
The moral of the story:
Someone bring depressed immediately calls for meddling with time
Would he be the Sad Hatter? Or the Mad Sadder? Or even the Sad Sadder?
starwars_gabe Hat Madder Hat Sadder Sad Madder
... Sir Sad Sadder of Sadderstill. >):^]
starwars_gabe ohh I enjoyed reading that lol I know I am very weird
...or the Sad Sacker, the Sad Sac (of shit).
movie couldn't be a timeless classic because they added 'time' to the story
That's a good one.
😂time pun
Ha.
*ba dum tiss
🙄
"You look like pennywise about to french me"
*WHEEEZE* IT GETS ME EVERYTIME
That triggers me
"Did you steal the tarts?"
You are a tart dear sister
Remember how it was said the old Disney Animators droped Acid to inspire their work?.......You think they remember?
Emilio Reyes I member
Dylan Smith source?
It is kinda sad that the alice in wonderland made on acid had a more coherent plot than the new ones
Did anybody think to rewrite this movie’s plot? I mean, everyone in this movie is an idiot for risking everything they hold dear just because the Mad Hatter is sad! Unless he’s the one thing that keeps their world alive, none of this is worth anything!
Also, that tart issue that explains everything in the previous movie is pretty goddamn stupid.
Will 2139 yeah. I actually disagree with Doug on this film. While it may be closer to it's source material, the plot is 10x worse and makes no goddamn sense.
Well, they are meant to be mad, so maybe risking the world to cheer someone up works for them.
Will 2139 b-but the Hatter was saaaaaaaad!
I have to disagree with Doug in that this is really no closer to the source material at all.
I think he meant it closer more visually, rather than, well, everything else.
15:19 This was actually in the original book. Time put the Mad Hatter and March Hare at the table in an ever-lasting time loop so that they could never leave. But the whole 'Alice freeing them' thing is made-up for this film and is a bit stupid.
Exactly! At least I *knew* that when first watching this review. For somebody who’s a self-proclaimed fan of the classic Alice novels, Doug really does miss some points from the books that he should know. He really needs to read the books more closely.
@@hunterolaughlin just unfulfilled expectations. All they had to do was stop pretending that they were making a “Through the looking glass” movie, and simply title it something like, “Alice’s Untold Adventures in Wonderland” and it might’ve been at least forgivable
The story is relateable you dont know how many times i almost destroyed the world beacuse my friend was sad!!!!
Alice: What did you do to Wonderland?
Red Queen: Oh Alice. That's the beauty of it all. I didn't do anything. You did. Think Alice. Wasn't there some little good deed you might've done?
Alice: I saved someone. I saved them! I saved the Hatter's family!
Red Queen: Exactly. Break the sonic barrier, you create a sonic boom. You broke the time barrier. Time boom. Ripples of distortion radiated throughout history to shift everything just a little bit, but it was enough.
Alice: I just wanted Hatter to be happy.
Red Queen: How noble. Hatter's little hero. Oh wait, you didn't stop me from taking over Wonderland. Or stop the Jabberwock from killing everyone. You saved Hatter's family because he missed them. And in that supreme act of selfishness, you shattered history like a rank amateur, turning Wonderland into a living Hell moments away from destruction. And yet, I'm the villain?
If they had that dialogue in the movie, it would've made it so much better.
GI Jack This trashy sequel could’ve been much better if you wrote the script
Look Alice. Look at what you did.
Um, Flashpoint Paradox?
GI Jack It’s not Wonderland, it’s Underland
Thank you for posting this! I loved that scene so much!
You could make the argument that Time (the character) isn't a bad guy - he's just trying to get the chronosphere back so he can stop the end of the world.
Time and everything involving him was my favorite thing about the movie.
@@generalstaal7075 Time was probably the only thing I really loved about this movie - plus, he's a lot less godawful creepy-looking than the Hatter. I liked how he was revealed to be more of a good guy in the end who was just doing his job, and how he became friends with Alice. There was actually some character development there. I could see Burton getting Vincent Price to play Time if the movie had been made a couple of decades earlier.
"I will strangle you with my bonnet" has become one of my favorite lines everXD
Maybe if the Mad Hatter being depressed actually had some real friggin' consequences there'd be more of a sense of urgency. Like, him being depressed LITERALLY starts throwing the world in to chaos-...further chaos... Like...his sadness starts choking the world with darkness, playing off the idea that madness, inspiration, and imagination are, in some way, intrinsically linked, and in the depths of sadness we cast out all else and want to be left alone. I know people deal with loss differently, but it could work with this character. Maybe him being sad actually starts doing to the world what "The Nothing" did to the world of "The Never-Ending Story?" I dunno, sure as hell more justifiable than just "Hatter sad."
Wouldn't a better plot be that Alice is institutionalize? And she wittness Wondela- Sigh UUUNDER LAND in mirrors and dreams making her question if it was real. Making Anderew Scott the villian even though he is doing his job as a doctor....If that is the plot to the video game I don't really know a lot about it.
You were close actually.
Manuel Alberto Romero Yeah I figured. Cause one it's my luck and two it did sound fimilar.
That’s WAY more interesting than THIS.
Also, something about them resetting time makes me wonder why this didn’t result in a Days-of-Future-Past ending?
Gamersmashlog Productions Uh that is a good point.
...so basically Sucker Punch.
...And since the doctor was played by Andrew Scott from Sherlock, we realize the entire story was just a scheme by Moriarty to gain control of Alice's family's assets.
So, he became a timelord
Imma be honest. They warped so many things from the 2nd book for the 1st movie that they had nothing left for the 2nd movie.
-The cards were called red knights by the hatter, which there were literally red knights (people) in Looking Glass.
-The whole 1st movie was built on a poem mentioned in Looking Glass about the wielder of the Vorpal sword slaying the Jabborwocky on framjous day. Together with a warning to beware the bandersnatch and the jub-jub bird.
-White queen was also only in Looking Glass and she did in fact have chess-piece knights, mostly because she was one herself (but didn't really look like one in the book).
-The chess board battlefield was mostlikely a warp to the fact that Looking Glass world took place on a chess board.
Anything left, most likely couldn't align to the 1st movie if they used it for the 2nd movie.
Time: The past can’t be changed go away
Alice: I’m about to ruin this mans whole career
If you switched Carrot Juice/Mad Hatter with Bill, I would gladly risk the fate of the entire world in order to make him happy. A world with a sad Bill is not a world worth existing
Maybe if they made a Split review then they could reveal that Bill is just one of the devils personalities along with Carrotjuice and of course, Benny
ΝΙΚΟΣ ΝΙΚΟΣ Mhm.
Amen
Well, it's not like Carrot Juice had many more lines.
That would be a great opportunity for all the Nostalgia Critic characters to appear. It would make no sense in the NC canon, but fuck that! I want the Neglectful Mother and Creepy Father to be alternate personalities to Doug and Tamara.
Id never skip an ad again if they were all done by Doug.
If I remember correctly, Time cursing the Hatter and friends to always endure a tea party was something that happened. It wasn't for that reason, but the Hatter did royally piss off Time. Also, if memory serves, it was constantly tea time, not a "minute before"
19:04 Does anyone want to know how they treated Female Hysteria?
Well I'm not going to say it but the Vibrator was invented because doctors' hands were getting too tired from treating it.
......... You're not saying what I think you're saying...... Are you?
If you are, what was so bad about being diagnosed with hysteria again?
@@captainbirch9835 that's exactly what's being said.
That treatment doesn't sound so bad, for either parties involved
so idiotic
Also back then the vibrator was steam powered.
In the original Alice and Wonderland, the book states that both the hatter, the marsh hare and the dormouse believed that they had offended time and that it would always be five minutes till tea time. It was an attempt to contact the book to the film!
Connor Rivers Yep, when I saw this scene I was just like "Obnoxious riddles? Check. Time? Check. Tea? Check. This is basically a prelud to the book scene!"
That sounds like a funny idea but in this movie it feels kinda depressing... since eveything here is not as mad as the book
It's not that the idea is funny, but here it's depressing. Wonderland doesn't have any magic. It's a wonderful place, but there is no set of rules governing it, because that would be "sense".
So the idea of a mad hatter, a March heir and a little mouse acting like it's tea time all the time because "they angered time" is funny because it's absurd.
However once you actually have a being that has the power to make it so, that is terrifying. On closer inspection most superpowers are...
Thank you. I was going to point that out too.
I feel bad for Mr. McGee. Disney stole his script for his first Alice game and the design ideas to half of the levels to his second Alice game.
Just... Go play those. It's so much more fantastically insane. And fun.
Thank God! After seeing the movie, I came home to read the reviews and was utterly surprised that nobody mentioned the looks of it, WHICN ARE CLEARLY A RIP-OFF OF MADNESS RETURNS.
You have your fall from the sky; bright forest level aka Vale of Tears; the steampunk level (Hatter's Domain and in this case Time's castle); a bit of oriental in her dressing (Oriental Grove); an asylum; and even a red, looking like a bunch of veins Queen's place (of course they couldn't go out there and make it all flesh and blood like Queensland, that would mess with child-friendliness of the flick).
Shameless af.
Dastvan His mom was inspired by a friend who called her daughter America
Kate Sirko
But there is a huge difference, Madness Returns had a good story and characters and was coherent as well as clever in it's rules and visuals.
I want you to look carefully at the designs here and ask yourself: "Does this look familiar? Have I seen this before?"
Because all of these designs are carbon copies of the McGee game.
Disney just stole the designs.
Stop me if this sounds familiar: Alice returns to Wonderland as an adult, discovers the Queen of Hearts took over and that everything is shit, and that she needs to stop the queen and get Wonderland back to normal according to the caterpillar's prophecy.
And I just described the plot of the game! Not the film!
Just because Disney copy the designs doesn't mean they did a good job copying it.
GrimSister well Tim did originally want to do am adaptation of the game. Problem is that's not marketable. Disney didn't want it dark, yea it's time Burton you get dark whether you like it or not, but they didn't want it pitch black.
I honestly don't think an adaptation of the games is a smart choice either, because most game movies suck balls. But also because no one is going to get it except the fanbase of the games, which is so small that the games are pretty obscure and can be considered hidden gems. So a movie on McGee's world would have also flopped at the box office.
A good way to sum up this movie:
The Hatter sees a piece of paper in his yard. "AAH, MY PARENTS"
Sacha Baron Cohen's character falling in love with Helena Bonham Carter's character is ironic when you remember that they played M. and Mme. Thenardier in the 2012 Les Miserables
My problem with this movie was the breakneck pace. So many things were happening so quickly you never got a chance to breathe. So many people were talking at once I suddenly got confused and I never had a chance to sort things out. This comes down to the principle of "Scenes and Sequels." A scene has a goal, conflict and a resolution. Sequels are what you have after a scene. Then you oscillate between the two. "Sequels" include emotion, a dilemma, and a decision but the sequels the main purpose is to slow everything down so that you can digest what happened. There were no sequels in this movie. Just action scene>action scene>action scene>etc.
Another thing that pissed me off is that the trailer looked like it was the best movie on the planet! I was sorely disappointed. How can they make such a big piece of crap look so damn good?
I can't remember which movie it was, but I've definitely seen at least one where the trailer was amazing and the movie was junk. How'd they do it? The scenes from the trailer were the *only* good scenes in the whole thing.
What I would do for a Alice McGee film.
I'd watch that.
Same here, though I hear he's funding a 3rd game for the series; I think it's still up but yeah I would like to see an American McGee's Alice movie, least those games stick close to the dark tone of the original books
I hope It gets as dark as the first one. The second one was good but the best was the first
Paladin Boyd me too
guys, on American's McGee's Alice wikia there's info already about the game, as well as some illustations
26:01 That was the best ending to a review series about live action versions of Alice In Wonderland that never really happened, it was just nothing but a dream that felt like an eternity.
7:55 yay, sweeney todd refferance
The Disney Live Action films can be separated into 3 categories:
1) Where they cast a big name actor into a secondary or non protagonist role and rewrite the story around them. Example of this Maleficent, where the character that was supposed to be the embodiment of all evil is instead rewritten into the Big Good, not even an Anti-Hero, just the Big Good.
2) Where they cast a big name actor into the protagonist role and erase every flaw the character had in the original stories. He is just Mr. Goody Good At Everything That He Does Good. Examples of this Cinderella or Beauty and the Beast. Bonus points if you add "Ahead Of It's Time" and "Strong and Independent" as positive traits that are verbally informed by a 3rd character but are not exemplified at all during the movie.
3) Where they have an ensemble of big name actors playing opposite roles, so you end up having neither heroes nor villains and as a result, no story, just Good Guys and Misunderstood Good Guys going through a series of events. As exemplified by this movie
1) Even as a Kid I never saw Maleficent as the embodiment of all Evil. Petty and vindictive sure. Evil not so much. She was kind of a boring character with no depth. Like Umbridge really " I don't like you so you're going to suffer"
In the live action remake her character was interesting. She had purpose an a reason. She wasn't just being petty and spiteful she had actual reasons to hate Aurora's family and to want to cause them great pain. I mean shit the PTSD alone. Damn.
Plus with as flaky as the fairies in the original were this one made more sense of how three women that grossly incompetent didn't accidentally kill Aurora.
Watching it was like watching a version where after Dumbledore admits he knew he was putting Harry in an abusive home "condemning you to years of darkness" and Harry actually goes "Wait what the fuck did you just say?" instead of "yes sir"
+Jack Faire: I gotta agree that I liked what they did with Maleficent, and I enjoyed the movie, but at the same time I can see the criticisms that in the effort to make her a more developed and likable character other characters ended up suffering (i.e. turning the king into a insane man is one thing but giving his side of the story no real resolution as he dies with barely a word with Maleficent is another, plus turning the other fairies into incompetent idiots, and so on). It would have been an even better movie if they had spread the characterization effort around more.
Plus, big name into a secondary character who should be just that, secondary character, but they shadow over the main character. (Every Johnny Depp movie ever?) Really sorry for my english, I'm really tired.
Where's The Jungle Book fit in those? Because it was nothing like any of that.
That Castlevania music break when running on the gears in the clocktower was perfection. 10/10.
I didn't know what game that was, but I was guessing a mega man game
jason campbell Lol Good one.
Marc Taylor: Thank you! That was driving me crazy!
That's the tune "Vampire Killer", oddly enough one of tunes you never hear in the various versions of the Clock Tower.
Marc Taylor I laughed way harder than I should have but it was great.
I nEvEr GeT iNvOlVeD iN pOlItIcS
Proceeds to get involved in every political movement in Wonderland or Underland
@@oliverbean6955 Middleland*
@@oliverbean6955 Lol
21:59 White Queen: "I don't feel so good"
SHUT UP DON'T MAKE ME CRY
Wrong movie
@@jamiefairest9109 they're both owned by the same company, so it counts.
fucking moonwalkin' bitch yeah, but the White Queen freezes. She doesn’t turn to dust. Plus, we have Endgame. Infinity War was last year
Did we just get the cure for everything?
Prozac (+Xanax optional) + get laid + binge _Fresh Prince of Bel-Air_
YOU FORGOT TO SUBTRACT THE SAD EPISODE!
The original book does speak of the hatter getting in a quarrel with time (not a what, a he!) last March before the hare went mad, and is thus stuck at tea time so they almost got that right
Yay, Malice is back! I'd gotten behind on NC's vids, so what a nice surprise to find upon catching up!
funniest thing in that movie was that Sasha Baron Cohen was NOT chewing the scenery, but rather... a really interesting character.
Ugh, this movie seems awful (and awfully pointless). Kudos to the Castlevania reference partway through the video!
Should have played Clockwork from Castlevania 3.
That Fresh Prince of Bel Air reference is a fact
HoneyBunni22 Thats Not the ONLY Depressing Episode tough, Remember the one where will got SHOT and Carlton got an Actual Gun To Protect Himself....That was dark as fuck
what episode was he referring to?
Ryan Montgomery The One Where Will's Father Returns....only to abandon him....AGAIN!!!! 😡
I didn't like it because it seemed anti-gun or at least anti-Second Amendment. Simply because of what happened to Will. I could be wrong though. Maybe I need to watch it again.
Carrotjuice: "When people see Alice in Wonderland, they'll think of the remake."
Kingdom Hearts 1: "Jokes on you."
9:21, he doesn’t physically appear in the books but Mad Hatter in Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland claims to have met Time and that Time is a friend of his and refers to Time as “he”. So this character’s existence is implied
How couldn't you make a Moriarty joke? Wherever Andrew Scott appears he's just Moriarty. No other character, just Jim everywhere.
lmaoooo
Honey, you should him in a crown
16:15 This actually came up in the book -the Hatter claims he argued with Time and now it's always teatime for him, hence his endless tea party. Whether this really happened or it's just a figment of the Hatter's imagination is never revealed, but either version makes sense in Wonderland.
I love how critic is not even considering the fact that the mad hatter is dying of literal depression.
I feel like Malice was an American McGee reference. I'm not complaining. I love those games
She absolutely is, they emphasize it in the first alice remake review. Also, I believe they are trying to make a third game~
ALICE 3 IS COMING! 🙌
@@ZyliceLiddell what if they made a tv series about the video games? Alice’s life season 1 Alice’s adventures in Wonderland season 2 through the looking glass and what Alice found there the fire season 3 finale Alice’s life after the fire the starting of season 4 Alice Asylum season 4 American McGee’s Alice season 5 Alice madness returns season 6 Alice Otherlands season 7.
I feel like the first movies 'success' was a fluke born of people's curiosity and a shit ton of marketing. Just like with TMNT and SMURFS.
shadowspider9 pretty much
That's why i went to see the first: the creator of edward shissorhands and nightmare before xmas plus the story of alice in wonderland?? Omg yes give give give! ... so much disappointment 😭
At least the Alice movies have gorgeous visuals. Some people don't care about the story and just want to see a beautiful spectacle.
Then go watch a screen saver. I don't expect every movie to be some kind of high art and am fine with them being even toilet humor, but i do expect them to be coherent. If your paying 15 bucks just to see pretty CGI visuals your wasting your money.
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WoopWoopWhapped!, Have a anti depressant we are not time travelling.
Paladin Boyd But they're saaaaaaaad:(
Nikola Zajícová, Take the pill you’ll be fine.
Paladin Boyd Welp, too late, the entire world is ending.
Nikola Zajícová, Well unend it.
You can’t have a timeless movie when you literally have a physical embodiment of time as a character
18:06 I think that line is meant to say that changing the past is impossible as it will always correct itself so the major events will still happen. The only way that won't work is if your past and present self meet. So, regardless of if Alice was there or not, the Red Queen would still hit her head.
(in light of some comments down here) American McGee didn't do a better adaptation of the book. He dropped the adaptation pretense altogether, took all of the original material he could and rearranged it to make a whole new story that could translate easily into a video game. It makes sense because that's exactly what Wonderland is for Malice in the video game itself ; it's her escapist post-post-modern symbolist fantasy. It's grim but her reality is grimmer. It's fantastical, but her real life is absurd. It manages to even have biting cultural comments (like the books did !) by not trying to translate or modernize the original ones, and instead finding new ones that are more universal.
McGee's loving disrespect for Lewis Carroll is key. Alice throwing a child molester under a train exemplifies it best.
8:12 If Alice teamed up with Marty McFly to stop Biff Tannen and the Red Queen and sing Johnny Be Good at the Enchantment Under The Sea Dance that would be kinda awesome. 😄
Can we agree that Stephen Fry is a damn good Cheshire Cat?
Yes we can! Thank You for asking! :D!
👍😎👌❗️
I bought a jacket with this version of The Cheshire Cat on the back. Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland may not be a great movie, but this cat left a big impact on me.
To be fair to the film, having the Mad Hatter be normal as a kid logically makes sense, because it's implied that prolonged exposure to mercury, which was an integral part of making hats was what drove the Hatter mad.
So Amos Diggory is sad... I mean the Mad Hatter... and Albus Potter... I mean Alice travels back in time to save Cedric... I mean the Hatter's family, almost screwing up the space-time continuum...
Stop it! You're upsetting the dementors and ruining Voldemort Day!
I still believe this movie was originally someone's fanfiction
Cathar5i5 so was shades of gray and it made loads of money
Ciara n smokie doesn't mean it's good
Cathar5i5 Hollywood will always exploit whatever is popular, regardless of its quality.
At least this isn't a movie based on My Immortal
logan johnson I dunno what that is, but I'm sure that would suck.
R.I.P Alan Rickman 1946-2016
That animated ending was PERFECT.
Could you imagine if Disney did a modern Alice just like the original? Super abstract, weird, fucked up in a way, crazy. That would instantly be beloved by everyone. I can hear people at work talking about how weird and trippy it is and how they've never seen anything like it. It would be noticed.
Just let the director of Thor Ragnarok (I can't spell his name) direct it. I would pay good money to see that movie.
I dunno, Taika Waititi might have the design sensibility (seriously how hard is it to spell that? You could do a quick Google search), but if he directed an Alice in Wonderland movie, the dialogue would probably be 80% improv where everyone talks the same and references stuff like Shake Weights (I didn't really like Thor: Ragnarok that much, can you tell?)
They should just do a "American Mcgee's alice" live action movie :D
Really twisted, really dark. xD
THAT is what we need.
Willy Wonka who got too drunk to find a job so he became Ronald McDonald X"D oh my god. Good one. Bravo. 👏
Oh indeed
Honestly the only thing this puts into perspective is why she was so angry about the frog stealing a tart then lying to her about it
15:49 I read the original book the march hare actually says that it's time's fault that they're stuck there!
You should’ve been on the writing staff. Just including that one scene would’ve made it more comprehensible 🧐
To be faaaair, the Hatter being literally stuck in teatime was from the book
DarthRushy True
He thought he was stuck, but he was not actually stuck, he was present during alice's trial
Riley Prowd Thats what he believes
Time actually saved the mad hatter. In the book it was revealed that the hatter was to be executed for singing out of time during a concert for the Queen of Hearts. Time took pity on the hatter and made it so that it would always be tea time and the hour of his execution would never come to pass.
Nah, the Hatter was killing Time by singing poorly and so he got cross and stuck him in teatime as I recall
What the fuck is Moriarty doing in this movie?!
Thank you for noticing. This is the first comment I've seen mentioning this and idk why but I feel like this is REALLY important.
Poor Andrew Scott will always be cast trapped into Moriarty’s character.
He would've been a better Mad Hatter than Johnny Depp, tbh.
OH MY GOD NOW I NEED ANDREW SCOTT AS MAD HATTER
YO ANDREW SCOTT AS THE MAD HATTER WOULD BE SICK
18:17 "Time catches up with Alice"... probably a better line than anything in the actual movie.
-Shawn
15:55 in the original book, they were having a tea party because the hatter had an argument with time, but Alice didn't free them
The moment I heard her say, "Chronosphere", I thought Kane was going to show up.
Kane who ?
+Trolmaster -
Look up "Soul Reaver," and "Blood Omen" some time, you'll know then...
Or death from darksiders 2
Kane Bravo The technology of PEACE!!!
IN THE NAME OF KANE! KANE LIVES IN DEATH!
Tim Burton has serious daddy issues, eh? The line about father/son disapointment with the hatter is I think ipsis litteris the Willy WOnka´s remake
lamanticora
Oompa Loompa doobity doo
Burton’s working through his daddy issues
He should have not even messed the plot
but did his way rather you like it or not
If good having good would of worked a little harder
And not just cast Depp and Bonham Carter
Lewis Carroll would’ve kicked him right in the jewels
Oompa Loopa Doopity doooooooo!!!
A lot of his movies center around daddy issues like beetlejuice, Edward scissorhands, Charlie and the choc., corpse bride and that’s only to name a few
@Adrijana Radosevic isn't that the plot for every 90's sitcom?
Burton has Daddy issues, Disney has Mommy issues, no wonder they get along so well. :)
As someone struggling with self worth, I'd tell the father to go sod off and just be thankful he HAS a son who wants to make him proud.
Yeesh. I bet they just used the same makeup and hair set for Depp from the last film. It's way too eye-bleeding for this more vivid color palette. If they did change it, whoever did it did a really shit job.