Twilight Princess: The "Zelda" Formula At Its Most Polished (And The Little Things I Love About It)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2023
- The Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess stands as my favorite installment in the franchise, as well as my favorite game of all time. There's no shortage of videos talking about this game but most of them neglect to mention the reasons I love it so much, hence why I wanted to get this video made.
This video has been in the works for some time now, being conceptualized several years ago. I tried as hard as I could to get it out before Tears of The Kingdom released but I failed miserably and got wrapped up in playing that game. So I may make some remarks that come off as weird with Tears now being out for over a month now.
I also experimented with different mic setups in order to get "louder" takes for comedic effect, as I live in an apartment and don't want to disturb my neighbors. Let me know if it actually works or not :D
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As a massive Twilight Princess fan it was nice watch an almost hour and a half long video which I could totally agree with.
Hey thanks! I know there's already countless TP videos but most of them all say pretty much the same things over an over.
I wanted to bring special attention to all the smaller details that make me love this game as much as I do.
@@Mr.WelbigAnd you did succeed
Agreed, except I love the kitties :(
I just wish there were more like it.
@@Mr.Welbigthis video was amazing! I was wondering can you do a video just like this on Wind Waker? Keep up the great work
always found it super metal that Ganondorf uses the sword that failed to execute him to fight against you
The fact that you snapped to being able to pet the animals was absolutely the right thing to do
Picking up dogs is why Twilight Princess is peak.
Your point about why Zelda companions should be involved in the combat is a huge reason why Midna and Zelda in Spirit Tracks are my two favorite companions in the series. Makes the final boss fights all the more epic, especially Midna throwing Ganon like Link herding goats at the beginning of the game and Link and Zelda needing to drive the Lokomo Sword into Malladus’s head together
Agreed, i also liked how Phantom Hourglass used Ciela in the boss fights especially when she used the second screen to watch for the eye to open and then stop time to hit it. It was such a creative fight!
Question: should I get Spirit Tracks or Phantom Hourglass?
i swear to god no one would have ever complained about the Spinner if it didn't lose momentum when traveling over flat ground. I would have never called epona again if the game let me beyblade across hyrule field
The water temple was the perfect difficulty for a Zelda dungeon to me in my experience. I got stuck in for waay longer than I thought I would. I couldn't wrap my head around where water may have been sourced, how to get there and where to let it flow. It was a great test of your ability to analyze and mentally visualize your surroundings. Those are probably the most important qualities of a classic Zelda dungeon imo, and its great that even one dungeon found a perfect balance between a glorified straight line and a convoluted and esoteric mess that only a scholar of Zelda lore could solve.
You just blew my mind with the Malon in the Hyrule Field at night theme thing.
I mean, "Malon's voice" can be heard in Ikana Valley's theme, so I don't think it is really accurate.
it's criminal how low the views are for the quality here
The lad barely uploads
For real
@@Colin-jm8skI suppose u came from the all stars video too? 42 minutes ago?
@@quintonconoly No, just popped up in my recommended
@@quintonconolyI for one did come from that all stars video. That thing kept in popping up and has like +300k views now
You gave this game the credit it definitely deserves. I think it’s only gotten more attention thanks to BOTW and TOTK because it does such a great job taking advantage of being in a linear format. I like the open world style too, but there will always be a certain magic to entries like Twilight Princess that style lacks
It's like you reached into my brain and pulled out every thought I've ever had about Twilight Princess in the form of a video essay. I havent played TP since the Wii U port was released. What am I doing with my life? Eff it! It's 1 a.m. and I'm starting a new playthrough right now.
Man, this game truly blew me away in second grade. I've been waiting for a zelda to match it since
Great video. TP wasn't my first Zelda game, but it's my all-time favourite. I'm currently on a TP-praise-video binge and yours is definitely one of the best out there, easily in my top 5.
I've also read the manga, I enjoyed it a lot. Haven't read manga in a long time but this tempted me to go back and I didn't regret it. I so loved how the story was flashed out in the manga. And the artwork and style was also very good.
I've also played the Gamecube version. Once when it was released and a few years later on the Wii but with a Gamecube memory stick. Worked like a charm back then. Still a shame that it wasn't released for Switch yet.
I’m always on a TP-praise-video binge lol
Agreed. Recently got a copy for the Wii because the GameCube version is too expensive lol. I really love the scenery of this game.
I love putting the Iron Boots and Rupee Armor before cutscenes play, so every step Link takes, he's overdressed and making noises with every step he takes.
Also like having the Lantern on, depending on the cutscene, it doesn't vanish.
You should also put on the clawshot because it makes Link look like a robot.
@@traviscunningham7062 That depends on the cutscene, just like the lantern. If he draws or pulls out his sword, the Clawshot is gone too.
But it is fun when it works. :D
My appreciation for Twilight Princess has grown a lot since it first came out. My 1st Zelda game was Ocarina, 2nd was Wind Waker, and TP was my 3rd. Those first 2 games made me a lifelong Zelda fan practically overnight and so naturally, I got TP for the Wii on launch day. I liked it but I was a bit underwhelmed overall, and to this day I'm not sure why. Perhaps I found its eerie atmosphere off-putting compared to what I had played before, or maybe the story was too overwhelming for my 14 year old ADHD brain. TP definitely has a denser plot with a lot more supporting characters than previous games. But whatever the reasons were, with each subsequent playthrough I realized more and more how great it is. OOT and WW will always be my 2 favorite Zelda games but TP ranks very high too. It's one of the best games of that era.
This Link is Batman af. He eats Moblins and craps thunder, the no hesitance when the villagers were attacked, his vengeful expression at Midna, the horseback battle with Bolblin, the Old Kakariko section, the one-man siege on the Arbiter's Grounds occupation. He's a tank.
Canonically he's probably the 2nd weakest Link (ba dum tss) in 3D, but his presentation is, like the rest of the game, EPIC.
Why canonically the 2nd weakest? Doesn’t he wrestle a fucking Goron?
Well out of all the Links, he is one of the only ones who doesn't get an item that increases his strength. But I would argue that he is the strongest Link on his own physical prowess alone. Being able to stop a storming goat with his bare hands and tossing them aside, that alone is impressive. And he is able to wrestle with the gorons, but he kind of cheats by having the use to iron boots xD.
@@vermillionaether still he sumo wrestled a living boulder that is stronger than all of the other living boulders. Idc if you gave me cement shoes I’m just breaking my ankles in that situation lmao
@lexinicole4317 🤣 Yeah that is fair. TP Link is a powerhouse xD.
@@lexinicole4317 I don't mean physically I mean total power. ALTTP/Triforce of the Gods Link beat Ganon who had the whole triforce, and he was from Ocarina so he still had his intelligence.
I genuinely just love whenever people rant about their favorite games, it’s always so fun to listen too :>
The Zelda series was my first exposure to video games as a kid. It's what led me to my love of video games as a whole. Even now, almost 20 years later at this point, Video Games are my biggest passion. I love learning about everything that makes a game what it is. When I was a kid, we were a Nintendo house, and my dad would be playing Zelda when he wasn't away for work. I was so enamored with Zelda Ocarina of Time and then again with Twilight Princess watching my dad play it. To this day, I still have a massive soft spot for these games, and it's always the music and cutscenes that bring me back to those times as a child. The title screen from Ocarina of Time where the game's logo fades into view, the Twilight Princess intro, even the file select screens with their fairy fountain music all invoke a huge amount of nostalgia.
I have a deep-found respect for the people who developed these games. Sometimes I like to imagine what the developers felt after finishing a game like Twilight Princess. Although the player feels a profound sense of satisfaction upon completing the game and seeing the credits roll, I imagine that sense being all the more true for the people working on the game. I like to imagine a theoretical scenario where it's getting close to finishing a game such as this, and it's almost ready for release. The story has been finalized and the gameplay is 90% polished. The marketing team is hard at work making trailers for the game that you poured your heart and soul into. And then you see the credits for the game for the first time. Although the music serves as a climax for the player, it also serves as a climax for the developers, and being able to finally see your name on a piece of work that you love and being shipped to people to spread that passion, I can only imagine the emotional payoff. This is what I love about video game design and video game development.
To me, no other entertainment medium is quite as satisfying or as intimate as video games.
Thank you for making this video.
I honestly love the unapologetic bias. Also my first Zelda game and sometimes I'm so used to justifying my opinions and seeing things in both good and negative light, I honestly forget it's okay to just gush on everything this game does damn well.
How have i only just found this??? A lengthy video about my favourite game ever, voiced by someone who actually has a voice i enjoy listening to. This is just what i needed.
I do like how you comment on the music more often than not when I am planning a game i rarely have the sound on because of others in the house most of the people I have lived with disliked the sounds of video games and would complain if i had the sound on so this is like the first time i am hearing most of the musical scores
Glad to see the praises of TP being sung, great video :D
I was an elementary school student when I played this game the last time. So this breakdown helps me understand the game in a way I didn't at the time. I 100% agree with the music(I was a kid and I still remember how good it was) and as you say in the title, your video kinda made me miss the "old" Zelda formula. As much as I enjoyed TOTK and BOT, I somehow wish Nintendo would bring this type of Zelda back. Oh man I now remembered when I defeated the ganon the first time, I loved the soundless victory with the Ganon just standing dead, I was like , "is head dead? Did I do it?"
This was so nice to see. Majora's Mask is still my favorite Zelda game, but Twilight Princess does everything I like about Zelda games the best. Story, dungeons, items, combat options, MUSIC, etc.
I replayed it back in 2021 but I really have the urge to play again after Tears of the Kingdom. I'm still holding out for ports of the Twilight Princess HD and Wind Waker HD to Switch though.
Thanks for the caps in music. Im pretty sure the reason I cant bother with BOTW and TOTK is bc the music is almost nonexistant.
The nature noises and such... idk, I like my zelda with epic music playing as I travel on horse
@@pepeelghetto1231 I have to disagree on that my friend.
Sure the field may be sparce but anything else would take away from what the game is trying to convey.
Both games have expansive OSTs and some of the greatest tracks in the series come from them.
@@TheCayDawg idc what the game tries, I just like zelda with epic music, not nature noises.
@@pepeelghetto1231 Thats totally fair. But I think boiling it down to just "nature sounds" is a little reductive. There's so much more to them.
@@TheCayDawg Except there are plenty of other games with atmospheric and calmer music that's "still music".
Heck playing TP Faron Woods while exploring BotW Faron feels more satisfying. Even a few tracks from some other games feel better, especially to break up the singular overworld track across provinces.
How does this have so few views? Your editing, scripting, and speaking skills are fantastic!
language needs work, though
I kinda like his casual diction, but yeah for sure haha
Because it last more than 1 hour and TH-cam videos should not be more than 20 minutes long.
Yeah, it's like a mix of KingK and Liam Triforce, so intricately detailed. I'm a sucker for details, especially TP, for all the same reasons
@@Raylightsen what kind of attention span brainrot take is this. you can just watch the video in 20 minute intervals! how do you get through movies??
When i played this first, i loved it.
But that ending was a first for me where i was pretty upset and being genuinly sad at a game for the first time.
I have played TP uncountable times and I never noticed the leitmotif while beating a boss is the same throughout the game, this blew my mind thank you!
I will watch this again because you spoke from my heart and I lost my original GameCube copy and haven’t been able to play it again. I’ve always loved it and felt like it was very much a true Zelda game to its core
Hell yeah, I love TP. Good video.
TP has the best sword combat, because it is proactive, not reactive. In Wind Waker, you can only do your special moves as a reaction when enemies attack you. Same in BOTW with parries and flurry rushes. The game dictates the flow of combat, not the player.
In TP, you can do all of your moves whenever you want. You are the one in control. It makes the game so much more fun to play.
Skyward Sword is, imo, the only competition, but that's like comparing apples to oranges. I haven't played TOTK.
TOTK has both Proactive and Reactive combat. Sure the flurry rushes are still around, but the crafting system is super deep, and is *basically* the hidden skill system but based on player agency and resource management instead of story progression. Though there is *one* special combat skill you can learn through the story that doesn't need a specific weapon to use but no spoilers~
Totk is the same as botw
@@repingers9777 *the fat controller laughed* you are wrong
@@CassiusStelarThe crafting system is not anywhere near the sword techniques. It's more akin to just magic arrows on steroids.
The only actual technique is the parry, because Twilight Princess invented the shield bash which has been carried over through Skyward Sword.
@@amandaslough125 I'm sorry I can't hear you, my bee army is doing chip damage to a very loud lynel
Twilight Princess is also my favorite game of all time
This is phenomenal. I was 35 when this forst came out - it's one of my favourite gaming experiences - awtching this made me want to go back & play it on my Wii U. You're right, most TP videos say the same thing - some true, some group-think opinion. This is my favourite ever - finally one to let me revel in the magic of this game. I understand people's want to critique and pull apart games,, but I always think 'boy, did you just ruin the magic of that game for yourself'. And magic is the key element that sometimes gets forgotten - Nintendo magic.
God only knows how many times ive just waited at the start screen as the fairy fountain theme plays. This is absolutely my favorite game of all time. I am currently playing through it again and it is even better than I thought. Playing again with a mature state of mind lets me appreciate all the small things. I went through this game after ocarina of time when I was young and I couldn’t have been happier with how they referenced it. Also in no other zelda game have I experienced as in-depth combat I mean learning new skills from past link is just so rewarding.
TP Is basically a more expansive reinvisioning of what OOT did and it is one of those sequels that actually did something good with being bigger(too often bigger is automatically taken as better and the actual content quality falls through the cracks). One of the things I have always struggled with in the past is the average dungeon size tho, I just don't handle these massive things too well, which is also why I often have issues with Alttp's final dungeon.
But this game is specifically too big with nothing to do in those spaces.
This game was too big WITHOUT being better. The dungeon design was fine, everything else took a hit though. Exploration is worse and less rewarding than Ocarina.
The problem with this game is it was ultimately pressured into being nostalgia bait. The soul of Twilight Princess was harmed by everyone demanding them retread Ocarina instead of leaning into its new ideas.
I mean, this video is implies the formula at its most polished, whereas at the time the agreement was pretty soundly that the formula was stretched so thin that the fun was diluted to minuscule levels. It ran the formula into the ground so hard that they abandoned it going forward from there, even though it was arguably the most popular Zelda game for years after, and kind of still is, except now everyone is saying it’s “underrated” when in reality, it’s pretty fairly rated. The formula was tired, and the plot and soul of the game was damaged by the sudden forced focus on trying to recapture the magic of Ocarina instead of build its own identity.
It is not a bad game, but it’s not underrated at all. Arguably the opposite, if anything: I could likely find 5, maybe more, videos in a minute saying how underrated it is, and complaining because it’s not the poster child of the series even though it was for like, a decade straight, even after Skyward Sword came out.
Hell, personally, I think the fact that it’s 3D Zelda at its borderline worst and is still better than 98% of games on the market is pretty impressive, but the fact it’s so hollow and empty compared to the rest of the series in favor of railroaded plot that actually incentivizes NOT exploring by running you through the same empty world over and over again to the point you just fast travel because there isn’t a actually anything to experience in game besides the dungeons is kind of wild for Zelda.
@@RenSako I mean...lol? I remember having infinitely more to explore and do in the most hated area(TP Hyrule Field) than in the average OOT area(Especially OOT Hyrule field). There's also highlights like that weird cave at the lake that feels like it goes on forever, in a positive way. The game also makes much better use of features like fasttravel(The one in OOT genuinely sucks. You get a song for each dungeon and use them like 3 times total, one time is mandatory. And it is not because the world is designed where you wouldn't want fasttravels, they are just in inconvenient spots, obtained too late and pointless for quests that demand you go across the world.)
OOT is a fine game and I have my issues with TP that make me rather replay it, but the idea that everything it does is a worse OOT feels forced. Kinda like how MM is a worse OOT according to people because of the time limit...that is barely a limitor in practice.
@@lpfan4491 Good thing I didn’t say it’s just OOT but worse.
I said it tried too hard to emulate OOT and suffered because of it.
TP is also my favorite one of the greatest games ever made. Great gameplay, great music, cool characters, cool art style and the dungeons are amazing.
Fine gameplay, great music, pointless characters that drag the game out, art style that didn’t even work at release and has aged like milk, and, admittedly, amazing dungeons.
TP is what happens when fan service is the focus of the experience and the team feels forced to pander to people obsessed with Ocarina of Time and forget to fully flesh out the game as a result.
I love knowing there’s no point in exploring anything because what little interesting stuff there is to explore will only reward you with rupees you can’t hold and don’t need! I love being railroaded between story events just to not even mind because there’s nothing else to do in the game besides yeti snowboarding! I love pacing destroying forced Twilight sections that grind the game to a halt and add nothing to the experience! I love everyone looking like a clown without makeup! I love the ugly, muddy textures that replaced the original art style because “hurr durr anything except hyper realism bad”!
There’s a reason the series fundamentally changed after Twilight Princess: it was tired, and they didn’t want to make another LttP clone, but felt pressured into doing so because Ocarina was super popular at the time, especially post-Wind Waker.
Twilight Princess is not a bad game, but the constant overhyping of it is absolutely grating. The internet is flooded with “Twilight Princess is underrated” or “Twilight Princess is the greatest Zelda” videos and threads, almost always made by people who have, self admittedly, only played maybe one other game in the series. It’s just baffling to me that, somehow, it’s become trendy to say the most popular and overhyped game in the series is somehow “underrated”.
Feels to me like the people who like the game simply WANT it to be underrated despite “I’ve only played Twilight Princess and it’s the greatest game of all time” basically being a meme at this point. It’s not even the greatest in the series.
I still love the game, but that’s in spite of its flaws. It’s a good memory for me, but every time I sit down to replay it, those memories go a bit grey because it just.. isn’t that fun.
Would you please stop complaining about Twilight Princess? Let people have their own opinions and stop bragging about TP being similar to OOT. It’s a sequel to OOT, so of course it would have references to that game like every other sequel.
Great video! I remember playing it on wii with my siblings as a kid, we would climb to zora's domain and do "jumping competitions" from the top of the waterfall. It's a very melancholic game, but with several moments for silly shenanigans. Easily one of my favorite games of all time!
Cant wait for this to blow up in 2 years.
Twilight Princess on the Wii was the first Zelda game I played, and the last one my dad played. I fell in love with it. The control style with Wii Remote + Nunchuck feels right to me. That could be simply because it was the way I experienced it first. The mirrored world also feels better to me, and is probably why the HD version on Wii U doesn't sit right imo. Surprisingly, there are no Wii U code injections to make Twilight Princess HD use the mirrored world in normal mode. While it was still a new thing, my mom and dad played it as well. I think my mom got through the first dungeon, but my dad didn't get that far before he stopped. Long after I beat the game, I knew it was a grand adventure. Then later came along Wind Waker HD and BOTW Wii U. Both wonderful in their own right, but Twilight Princess on the Wii remains top.
Back in 2016, my dad passed from dementia. I considered selling the Wii U since I had nothing on it, until I realized I couldn't do that. My dad's old save file for the game was still in memory. To me, erasing that would be like erasing memory of him. Eventually, I jailbroke the Wii U and one of the first things I did once I got the vWii hacked into was back up everything on the machine to an SD card. I promptly put all of it into Google Drive, where I won't lose it. I swear there were also Mario Kart Wii replays with his name on them, but apparently not. But that's not the point. For this reason and my own, Twilight Princess holds a strong place in my heart. I seriously hope Nintendo listens to the demands of the consumers and creates a collection of the 3D Zelda games for Switch, similar to 3D All-Stars. Ocarina, Majora, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess all in one collection. If it came to fruition, I hope there's an option to use the original world orientation or the mirrored one, without the need of playing on hard mode.
Twilight Princess is a masterpiece, and deserves to be remade for Switch.
Man you couldnt have better explained in a full video what I felt for twilight. And this is coming from someone who grew up to have ocarina of time and majora's mask on N64 be their first zelda experiences. I also loved windwaker as a kid. But twilight his me the hardest. Which also made me sad that the only thing they did for the HD remaster was to give it a texture uplift rather than also adding better lighting and shaders like they did windwaker. The hero mode with the world mirrored intentionally for the hero mode was fun tho! It sorta gave it a fresh feeling to me as one who played it originally on the gamecube. And depending on potions felt like a proper RPG, not having free hearts everywhere. And the game was stil fun to complete even then.
I played Twilight Princess on the Wii in 2010 at 10yrs old after going round to my friends house and running round Ordon village and playing with the chickens. I begged my mum for it and didn’t even realise it was a whole game. I’m so glad my friend introduced me to it.
My favorite game of all time, and favorite media of all time is Twilight Princess, so this video was a like a love letter to me haha
10/10 video, I loved this so much
I agree with you 100%.
I really like the ending of this game. If they’d have had Midna say “I love you”, it wouldn’t have been nearly as good. The animation on her face perfectly conveys exactly how she feels. Her smile is so sad.
One of my favorite things about Zant is how he comes off as cold, intelligent, and tactful, but when you finally square off against him you realize he really isn't all that (and my head canon is that he knew he couldn't beat Link and low-key just ducks you the whole game lmao) and how he just kinda goes off the deep end during his fight and is just desperately swinging around and trying to throw you off by using other bosses as framework for most of his fight instead of using his own lackluster style until the end of the fight and even when he finally fights you genuinely with his own style instead of just mimicking other bosses he also comes off as less skilled and moreso only effective when he's able to throw off his opponent and as long as you yourself are slow and careful during the boss fight you'll be able to stomp him out
I love how you can not only hold the dogs and cats as human Link, but as a wolf you can also talk to them all too. There's a lot of cute dialogs of them talking about their owners and such lol
1:22:27 Also it seems like a magic meter WAS originally planned, as you can get buggy green chu jelly that was clearly left in by accident and doesn't even have a textbox in the Wii version. It was removed in the GC version (Wii actually uses an earlier version of the game) and then readded in HD as an easter egg
Thank you for voicing exactly how I feel about this wonderful game!! Like you said, its hard to hear others go on about TP as if its some sub par Zelda game because "its to dark" or "the visuals are dated" or some other overbloted petty gripe that in the long run doesn't actually negatively effect the game.
To this day I think TP is still the coolest/stylish looking Zelda with the best combat, story, and gameplay, and I will die on that hill.
TP was my first Zelda game and I get that I might be looking at it with rose tinted glasses, but even after replaying other Zelda games nothing quite hits like Twilight Princess does.
Its is both a sin and a crime the the HD version is so underwhelming and stuck on the Wii U.
TP deserves so much more praise than its colorful counterparts and the fact than Nintendo still cant let go of TP links design is rather telling.
Thank you for making this vid dude, its such a boots being reminded of how much I love my favorite Zelda game and that I'm not the only one who deeply loves it.
TP is not really an Ocarina rehash. Being sort of a sequel it makes sense it shares similarities, also it polished most of the features introduced in OoT and expanded the gameplay.
Sure, it has it downsides and some details feel rushed (Illia not being well implemented into the story for example) yet it's such an amazing experience when you play it with an open mind and appreciate it for what it is.
I also like how this Link is more mature and down to earth. Other incarnations just seem to accept they're the chosen ones and get the Master Sword because let's beat the evil guy. But this time his motivation is to save his friends, then saving Midna because she became someone dear to him, and then save Hyrule so his whole world doesn't go down. I see him having a genuine struggle and caring for other characters here.
Maybe I enjoyed this one too much because I don't have nostalgia glasses for Ocarina of Time. It wasn't my first Zelda game and A Link to the Past was my #1 up to that point. I see TP with the same eyes I see TotK, it's not the groundbreaking Zelda of its generation, but it took everything its prequel did right and improved it.
the thing i liked about twilight princess is the dungeons actually feel dangerous, like in wind waker, they have you walking on bridges over lava, in twilight princess, you have to hop scotch it.
on top of that i do like the fact that they add old mining equipment that you utilize to get around and things of that sort, its damn near perfect.
Twilight princess was my first ever Zelda game and remains my favourite game of all time-- it introduced me into my passion for gaming and now as an adult I work in the games industry :) thank you for this fantastic video! With huge open world RPGS being the trend right now it's refreshing to see someone who shares my opinion on this game. I think a replay is due now...
Your commentary style is everything I look for in a video essay, the laid back presentation that doesn't feel put-on or overdone, the naturally timed cutaways, and the sincere tone of your analysis and presentation of opinions, its all just so **chefs-kiss** .
Keep up the great work man, I can already tell that the algorithm is boosting your content as of late so get ready for the success, you've earned it 👍
i think you can argue that the advantageous theme is this link's personal theme.
The advantageous theme is epic, but it's really just the loz main theme with each note doubled, I think.
However, this game DOES have a theme/motif that's just for Link, and I love how much we hear it. It's the other half of Midna's Lament, it's in Courage and a lot of other themes, and it plays after you pull the Master Sword. I love Link’s motif! I wish we could hear it again in another title.
@@Iffondrel”main theme with each note doubled”
But the notes in the advantageous theme aren’t doubled and make a full, repeated arpeggio. There aren’t doubled notes, and even if they were, it really doesn’t resemble the main theme, like.. at all.
I agree it’s not Link’s theme, but the main theme thing absolutely baffles me. I mean, it generally resembles the main theme like all Hyrule Field renditions do, and is likely build off it, but it’s its own beast.
You can’t argue it’s anything of the sort, because it isn’t.
Would you please stop popping up everywhere? Stop saying TwIlIgHt PrInCeSs BaD. oCaRiNa Of tImE gOoD,
One of my favorite and more overlooked aspects of this game is the Cowboy western influence.
Link’s design combines a bit of medieval knight and cowboy elements and the way he flips his sword is akin to a gunslinger spinning their revolver. The farm hand origins of this Link and greater emphasis on Epona plus the obvious direct references to old western movies in both current and old Kakariko really give the game a cool unique identity along with all the twilight stuff.
i have always defended this game tooth and nail, and you brought up so many more points why this game deserves SO much more love than it gets. thank you TRULY this video kicks ass
Same. I just brought this game a few weeks ago and I love it.
Props to you for noticing the advantageous leitmotif. The music alone in this game made it my favorite. The way the themes get recycled and reharmonized depending on the context is superb.
The music that plays when you meet Zelda for the first time blends the first few notes of the hyrule castle theme with the first few notes of midnas theme.
The music that plays after midna gets blasted by the light spirit and you're taking her to Zelda as wolf link blends midnas theme with the main hyrule field theme (although the notes have been stretched across more measures). This stuff would make Richard Wagner proud.
i think the biggest critism i can give to this gave that likely lead to its controversy. that is that the game is actually quite hard for younger poeple and anyone who hasnt played it before. I say hard because on first playthrough it can be quite challenging to know what to do. i remember i got stuck in the water temple as a kid for month (i wasnt playing everyday) and the probelm was a room that required you to break down stalagtites, which you do earlier in the dungeon but i had forgotten. now that im older i find that the game is one of the best and i look forward to playing it all the time.
I have so many thoughts after watching this video. First of all, I am so happy that you seem to appreciate leitmotifs just as much as I do. I completely agreed that the music and leitmotifs truly add to the experience of the game. It makes it memorable and makes it feel like there was love put into the game. Very underrated in media in general. I like that you went into so much detail about some of these music things, and many other aspects, and also going out of your way to see optional dialogue, etc. When I replay a game these days, that’s how I plan to play, so that way I feel like I fully experienced the game for all of what it has to offer. Talking to all the characters and such.
There’s another detail I was hoping you were going to mention, and that’s in Zant’s battle. Every time the environment changes/next phase of the battle, it’s the same sound effect as when you first enter twilight, and also the twilight areas afterwards. Or if you save the game in the twilight, and then reload.
Another thing is that I’m glad I’m finally easily able to play these games with headphones. I feel like it’s way easier to hear these details and the music itself and gives a more immersive experience. On the flipside, as an adult, it feels like it’s hard to find time to play a game. I try my best and try not to get distracted just watching random TH-cam videos that aren’t even that interesting (like shorts).
In conclusion, it always felt like I was the only one that appreciated some of these details. Then again, I don’t really know many people. But I’m just talking about people on TH-cam that talk about games and have a long video format like this. I also really like the humor that you spread throughout the video. You’ve made me feel like I’m not alone in appreciating video game design, and the little Easter eggs or references that they have
I’ve replayed Twilight Princess dozens of times and I’ve never noticed exactly where Link’s eyes go at 22:32. That’s hilarious
for me it's tie between twilight princess, link's awakening, ocarina of time and majora's mask. thank you for making this, it warmed my heart
Absolutely loved listening to an hour and a half of why my favorite game is my favorite game. Am I right in assuming you're a fellow Nerrel viewer? Some of the cutaways feel straight out of one of his videos.
My first Zelda game was the very first entry on NES as a kid, did like Link to the Past more on SNES but really fell in awe and love with Ocarina of time. So for me it wasn’t the first Zelda I played, it evolved. Btw, the only other time I felt the same magic as with playing Ocarina was BotW. I felt like a kid again discovering a world. And I’m some degrees I have it with TotK. Good times!
Wow the detail of malon singing is something I NEVER picked up on
I'd like to see a video on why you prefer the GC version over the Wii U version!
I was thinking of doing a video explaining why I don't like the Wii U version. Don't get me wrong it's still the best version and I'll say my problems with it are so nitpicky that only a dumb nerd like me would ever be up and arms about it 😂
20:16 completely agree it’s so satisfying and awesome
I love this video and your focus on the music in the game. It really is so fantastic and moving. It takes me to another place just listening to it! Twilight Princess is my favorite game with so many little details and moments that I adore...you pointed out quite a few of my favorites! Great video!
Twilight Princess was also my official introduction to the series and it stands for sure as my all time favorite. You've summarized it all perfectly. There's so much within this game and the story is beautiful and heartbreaking and yes, the music!! It's just so good!!
Ocarina of time was my favorite Zelda for the longest time. Then I replayed twilight princess when the HD version came out and I realized this is the pinnacle of traditional Zelda.
20:50 That little sword flip Link kinda reminds me of Anakin's lightsaber spin.
Would love to see a commentary on Tears of the Kingdom. Great video
I love the points you made in the video, especially in regards to the "little things" like Link’s sword sheathing animation. I’m just gonna gush about TP Link for a sec- Through his interactions with different characters in the game, we get a pretty damn good understanding of his personality. He’s clearly responsible and someone the other Ordon occupants rely on for rather mundane tasks. We also see just how patient and kind he can be when he’s spending time with the children. But, he gets yelled at by Ilia for being a bit insensitive, which is kinda true. He’s prone to recklessness in dangerous situations. When Link meets Midna for the first time, he’s obviously angry but also seems scared and like he’s trying really hard not to show it.
My favorite thing is that, despite how humble Link appears, he actually likes to be a show-off!
Ultimately, TP Link is very much close to adulthood which is made apparent through his almost ’older brother’ type of relationship to the kids, but since no one can do everything on their own, he still requires the help and guidance of the actual adults around him. He is arguably the most compelling Link we’ve had so far in terms of personality and relationships.
Thank you for that 1.5h 👌🏻
Tp is such a great game ❤
In the beginning of the game it was important to show link as a town folk, much like Peter Parker before spider man. We need to see Link as just some guy, who becomes the hero he was meant to become.
For many, many reasons, I miss the time of first playing Twilight Princess.
Life is cruel.
I agree. Twilight Princess is my favorite Zelda game.
we twilight princess stans stand together
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the sudden cut at 22:11 idk if that was intentional but it got me so bad, and it encapsulates the importance of being able to pet animals in the game perfectly
Yeah that was kinda the idea. lol
I love petting the animals! Why didn’t they bring them back in BOTW and TOTK?
I played the Gamecube when it came out. One thing you may have missed is that it was the last time Link was left-handed, but in every earlier game, he was a leftie. They changed him to right for the Wiimote control, but even when that was ditched for the Switch, he didn't go back to left-handed.
He's still a lefty in Link Between Worlds, the Link's Awakening remake, and in the first Hyrule Warriors. And we've been with the Breath of the Wild Link for the past 7 years. I hope in the next original Zelda (even the live action movie), they'll move back to a lefty Link.
I loved that video so much thanks for making it now ill get my old console back from my sister to play twilight ❤
It honestly seems like Zelda Twilight Princess was the last game that allowed the player to achieve heroic feats in many ways through generosity, helpfulness, saving the helpless, and vanquishing evil. There is also a lot of esoteric knowledge in the game with the mirror, the twilight realm, and the divine beast prophecy.
The mirror points toward the obsidian mirror. The twilight realm points towards a dark realm from many cultures. The divine beast prophecy points toward the white tiger prophecy in which the dark realm feared the white tiger because the tiger meant wrathful righteousness and heroism. There are so many hidden details and secrets in Zelda Twilight Princess that it is simply amazing.
I agree. And that’s what makes it special to me!
I dont think i've ever thought Twilight princess was ugly. I was always very fond of its ambiannce and muted tones- that kinda foggy and blurred aesthetic. It works so well and it's beautiful in its own regards.
I still consider it my favorite 3d zelda game.
The aesthetics remind me of Link To The Past.
This video was so well made thank you for making this
This was great! Thank you for putting in so much work to create it.
it's great to hear all your thoughts about this game, which is my favorite as well. no complaints on the game play video quality. also, I know this game inside and out but you mentioned a few Easter eggs even I didn't know about. the malon detail was fascinating, and also the way my unhinged brain works I totally thought you were gonna say right before that detail that since Ilia and Epona share their theme music, one popular theory you enjoy is that Ilia IS actually the horse. don't ask why I was expecting you to say that
The advantageous theme is such an awsome thing, and it was so smoothly implemented my baby brain did not even notice it. That little fanfare is like a lil' unoficical link theme, atleast for this game and it conects you to the moment so well
GREAT watch
been watching your stuff
really entertaining, keep up the good work
Im having a really tough time atm, abd this truly just made my day. Thank you, fr.
Enjoyed this loads :)) thanks for talking about my fav Zelda game for so long, really nice to listen to
I knew you were gonna bring up the advantageous theme when you were talking about musical motifs bc I recognized your channel from your advantageous theme video
I think it’s kind of good that Zelda mostly plays the same. That way you don’t have to worry much on mechanics and really focus on the aesthetics and vibe. It’s how people really pick a favorite zelda game.
1.Shocked this doesn't have many views, I genuinely thought this was gonna be like some PBG video from 2013 or something with 4 million views.
2. What is that song at 1:26:29? ITS SO GOOD!
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This video is genuinely amazing. It made me realize once again how much I love this series and this game in particular. I didn't know I could love my favorite game of all time more than I did before, so for that I thank you.
This video was a really careful examination of the game and made me rekindle my love for it. Thanks!
I’m so happy you focused on the leitmotifs, that’s one of my favorite parts of the game
My introduction to Zelda was that my mom used to play A Link to the Past, and Ocarina of Time. She introduced it to dad and they played Majoras Mask, and OoT before I was born. They played it when I was a baby, and in 2006 when Twilight princess was released, I remember watching them play through it and witness their love for it. I picked it up myself a few years later, since I was so scared to play it alone (I was 6/7). It was so much fun, and I sort of took over their passion when they both grew too ill to play it. Then Skyward Sword came around, and I loved that one too. looking back, I can't truly decide which I like the most. I've managed to play all the games by now, and I still stand between TP or SS. They're the ones I've played the most, and both are great in their own way, and since I grew up with motion controls, I didn't really struggle with the whole wave to swing sword like my parents did. If I had to choose, I believe that TP is the peak
Twilight Princess still exists as one of those games where my family members owned the games but I never did so I was always playing through the ordon village intro because that's about as far as I could get before they had to leave or I had to leave
This might be a long comment, but screw it, this is a long video.
17:20 The specific sword swings in these games is indeed underappreciated and underutilized. During all the times I spent fighting Orca in Wind Waker, I'd practice all the different directions while wishing the combat actually called for some directional swordplay... and then we got Skyward Sword... sigh.
19:35 As someone who played all the 3D Zeldas before TP, being able to run and cut grass at the same time was a game-changer, and actually feels nice on the Wii version. All the added sword animations blew my mind coming from the previous games (though Link's idle animations since OoT have always been great).
30:27 Malo is the only kid I like *because* of his attitude, and the fact that he's the youngest, essentially a toddler, yet the smartest and most disinterested of the bunch.
33:57 I think this level of hints for collectibles, especially costing in-game money, is pretty ideal for a video game: completely optional, not too direct, and adapts to what you can and have collected. Also, "Wait... loading takes awhile."
38:00 By the second food item, I didn't even care about the key anymore, I was so invested in the soup plot line.
42:45 I don't know if they were subtle enough with the floor here.
43:25 My issue with the Owl Statue quest (shout-out to Link's Awakening) is that it's hinted at way too early but happens way too late, and that it's mandatory and gets marked on the map. The mandatory isn't too bad, except that I was hoping it would be a secret side quest to Pieces of Heart or something, and I wanted to have to remember where they were.
45:45 I don't know if a full orchestra would've been the right choice, and I'd like to cite StarFox 64 vs. Assault, specifically the StarWolf theme. As good as it may sound musically, it just doesn't quite fit for the tone of the game, whereas the SF64 soundtrack is just as video game-y as it needs to be. Plus, you probably wouldn't have all the creepiness of the City in the Sky.
51:10 Not only can you talk to Epona as Wolf Link, but if you stand next to the horseshoe grass as a wolf, you can howl and call Epona. As a wolf... you can call a horse.
Epic video my guy. It was epic to finally hear someone else say it
This video really made me FEEEEL EPIC
More people need to read the manga! Some of my head canons made it in there like Zelda and Midna being friends.
Fantastic video! It's so nice to just have someone praise one of your favourite games for once.
This is also my favorite zelda game. I think that the combat in my humble opinion is at it's peak in this game, it feels so smooth and satisfying, Link really feels like a one man army in this game and it's one of the reasons I keep coming back to this game. I also have to say that this is definitely the raddest Link has ever been, so many points in this game are just freaking awesome, it's definitely the coolest link has ever been, (next to adult link in oot in my opinion) Another thing that people complain about is the side characters being "ugly," I've never really seen where people are coming from on this one because wacky and weird side characters are a staple of the series, I feel, you see them in almost every zelda, and I think people just find these more "ugly" simply because you get so much more detail, that you don't see as much in games with simpler graphics like oot and wind waker. but that's just my opinion. later
Thanks for spending so much time talking about the music and for mentioning all kinds of tiny comments I had in my head after you'd bring certain things up. Like the E3 crowd reaction or just how satisfying certain moments are. I've always loved the music in TP, it's stood as the strongest OST from the N64/GC era in my head and I didn't really know why, but it's the nostalgic throwbacks in the motifs and I never thought about it. Also, I never knew that the advantageous motif was used in so many places, that's rad!
Jerma vs Armogohma was funny too.
its nice seeing so many give praise to tp, such a good game and imo the best in the series
38:10 haha, yeah. I found that expression funny too.
I always had a laugh when Yeto just shoves Link.
Just watched the intro and I have to say this. My first Zelda experience was Ocarina of Time in the early 2000s. However, I played Twilight Princess on release day, and it quickly became my favorite Zelda game. It still remains my favorite to this day.
Did you play the Wii version? Or the GameCube version?
@@traviscunningham7062 GameCube of course. I never played it on Wii but have heard it's bad.
This video deserves way more views. Amazing video!
massively underrated channel but I'm glad that your most recent video got as much attention as it did