RTX 3080 FE vs ITX - Round 2!
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I bought the NR200 on day 1. I have not regretted it, and I'll be using it for years to come.
I preordered on amazon when it became available. I’m quite impressed by the quality of the case for how much they are charging. ITX usually comes with a huge premium.
@@Rayden440 youll be positively surprised with it. Panels are fairly thick, inly weak point is the dust filters, but they do their job nonetheless
I hated my NR200 so bad that I returned it. So wide, and overall size almost of a MicroATX tower...
I really want this case, my problem is the itx form factor. What if the wifi stops working? Blue tooth is dead on your mobo? What else can you do, replace the whole mobo or start using USB wireless cards?
@@sayidabohussayn7644 I have never seen an ITX board without ethernet port... Wifi is optional with my ITX, in fact I dont even have the wifi antenna connected
Great. Love this card aesthetics, but definitely a challenge in Sandwich cases.
Do you ever accidentally crush computer cases when you pick them up? LOL
mans too swole
This video justifying my purchase of the NR200. Thank you!👍
Yeah its an awesome case, got it right next to me aswell
As you have the nr200 what sff psu do you have
@@kahki2704 I have sf750 but had a fractal design sfx-l in before.
@@kahki2704 I actually don’t have a PSU for it yet. I’m waiting a little while before I start building in it but I wanted to buy the NR200 before they ever went out of stock as I know a lot of SFF cases go in and out of circulation every year. I think once I have a good amount of money for everything I’m going to need then I’ll start buying all my PC parts. I have a 2080 Ti I’m using in an eGPU setup (Alienware 17 R5 w/ an i9-8950HK, 32 GB RAM, and the 2080 Ti is in the Alienware Graphics Amplifier), and I’ve had to slowly buy everything for that over the span of a few years. The CPU right now is my limiting factor but it’s serviceable.
I’m probably looking at at least around another $800-1200 US for CPU, RAM, PSU, MoBo, case fans, CPU cooler. I know I’m going to be spending quite a bit but at least I’m covered with the GPU.
So glad I convinced my partner to get the NR200 for his first ITX case. Now hopefully we can get him a GPU upgrade before the next ice age rolls around...
I don't understand why companies don't send to him examples of their new cases. He is probably the number one covering SFF cases. Are they afraid of the comparison?
Your last question answers the first question.
@@zorbalight3933 Yeah :D I said I don't understand because I think that shouldn't be the reason.
If they don't trust their product to be shown in a place where almost every viewer is interested, I don't know where they will show their products and sell them. Every case has different purposes. For example, I have an M1 and I wouldn't change to the NR200 and they are very similar and even the NR200 being better in different areas like temp and price, but for me, the component compatibility is more important or even the placement of the PSU.
They do send him stuff, how do you think he got hold of the SSUPD Meshlicious before retail release?
@@Glen0cide Yes you are right but I can also name other cases that he didn't get :D
Because the dude is fake. Cant even install fans correct to give cases a fair reviews. Either he is dumb ...or sponsored... (guess the later).
I just discovered you can put the meshalicious into 4 slot mode and then replace the riser cable standoffs with some that are longer. This gives the FE way more breathing room on the backside and my temps dropped 5 degrees.
how long ar said standoffs?
Now with the 3090 FE! ;)
"RTX 3090 FE vs ITX - ft. the fire department"
@@ruttle3735 It's gonna be tight
It won't fit
You should have tested the SSUPD meshlicious case with 20mm stand off screws so the FE has more space between the motherboard.
Love my nr 200 ...running a 3070 and it runs 65 degrees Celsius at full load
yup, NR200 with a 3080 FE. Undervolted runs 65 max at 50% max fan speed.
@@AtracBreezy nice.. I have to undervolt mine now lol msi afterburner and Ali's video are my friends
@@AtracBreezy omg thx i want a 3080 fe and i already got the nr200p white edition. Do u recommend the side panel glass or no😁🤝😁
Bought one too recently..sadly I can't put a gpu yet due to shortages. Great case though !
@@senseicheems3270 If you want to be able to show your components get a glass panel if going more for airflow which you can put fans on the non glass panel
Love your dedication to mini itx builds. Keep it up!
Would've loved to see the 3080 FE and some standoffs to offset it ~2cm away from the motherboard!
Think this would be ideal
I put mine in 4 slot mode, bought 1” standoffs for the riser cable and it dropped my 3080 FE temps by at least 5 degrees at its hottest. It really just needed that bit of breathing room
Mem temps max at 92 with either mining or gaming. I replaced the thermal pads on the gpu side of my card though.
Regardless, performance is now pretty on par with my nr200 with all the same components
I run an nr200P with a glass side panel and a vertical 3080 FE. I live in India with ambient temps of 28-40C. Currently running at 2025mhz @ 950mv, 72C after 2 hrs of testing @ 33C ambient and max fan speed of 1900 rpm. This thing is magic. I believe that my performance and temps are insanely good while also being able to show off that 3080 FE that makes the PC much more visually appealing than just the mesh panel
Can I just say that I appreciate you building/mostly building all of these different PC's and sharing your knowledge!
There is a standoff mod for the Meshlicious adding additional space between the rear gpu fan and the mobo.
I’ve actually just got the Meshlicious, changes to 4-slot gpu, used the GPU card mount (on the bottom) that is the furthest from the motherboard, and you can use long motherboard stand-off extensions to mount the pcie riser to where the gfx now is. There is now a big gap between the motherboard tray and the back of the GFX card.
Great video as always, happy to see my NR200 up there ^^
I believe SSUPD supports offsetting the GPU, creating a gap with the spine much like the FormDT1 PSU. Did you also try that in the 4-slot GPU mode?
In the SSUPD Meshlicious, can you un-screw the PCIe riser from the chassis and slide the GPU over to occupy the 2nd and 3rd, or 3rd and 4th PCIe slots so there would be a gap behind the GPU? Seems like given how the riser cable is bent, there should be enough slack to slide the GPU over a bit. Possibly could even use some brass standoffs on the chassis to move the riser over.
Ghost S1 has spine mod for FE desing tho
I am really interested how a 3060Ti FE aircooled system would run in the Meshlicious!
Really digging the dark intro.
Your videos are the best on the internet. You always target precisely and professionally the issues that enthusiasts wrestle with. This is the kind of frustrating question that you won't find answers to elsewhere.
you can get a different spine that fixes the Louqe ghost s1 issue + 3080 fe
Love the trend of vertical itx cases
Don't love the trend of: "Out of Stock".
@@timons777 can't agree more. Hate to wait for meshlicous..
Will you be reviewing Geeek case? Their new aluminum lineup looks quite interesting.
I slapped a top hat on my h1 which allows for 2 140mm intakes and I’m getting around 72 in game, definitely isn’t a problem for me!
I just hope people using the NZXT H1 are using the new and Safe Riser...although even the "new" Riser might be faulty.
A ghost s1 with a modded spine would have been cool to see, but I understand that u might not have that on hand.
This is anecdotal, but I had an NZXT H1 which I modified a bit to add fans and even cut part of the case to give more airflow. I removed the SSD tray and cut that part of the inside panel and that helped keep the temps from getting horrifying but it wasn't a massive improvement (high 70's, low 80's under load). On top of that the extra fans were louder on that case because they had to spin constantly to cool things down.
I bought an NR200 and now I can keep my RTX 3080 FE under 70C and the case is pretty silent most of the time. If I had the patience to wait for another case option or even print to put in a custom loop I might have, but as it is I could get the NR200 quickly and the whole process was pretty smooth to move to a new case (I didn't keep the AIO or PSU from the H1 which could have worked potentially)
Im running a 3080 FE with an Inwin A1 and it's really a perfect combo with the right fan layout.
Would you consider doing a review of the IQUNIX ZX-1?
Yes please, I am in particular interested in the water-cooling variant with a similar build that @Optimum Tech has done in the Ghost S1 previously. But honest, we need both a reviews of both variants =)
What I've done is put two noctua slim fans in my H1 and they really make a difference
I'm running a FormD T1 in two slot mode with the PSU offset to the panel. I've got a 3070FE with a custom (albeit conservative) fan curve, and a maxed power limit slider. It boosts to a sustained 1950MHz with everything maxed out in Cyberpunk 2077. Temps stay at 69-70C once it reaches steady state. Very pleased with this result coming from a full custom loop Sliger SM580.
You really should benchmark the H1 with 2 exhaust fans on the back. Everybody who knows anything about ITX cooling is using them. It's a world of difference. Maybe even with a 3080FE.
The man who makes his shots looks like renders did it again
3:52 of course it's better, because these cases used 2x more fans!
Used a Dremel on my louqe Ghost s1 case. I cut a hole around the area where the 3080 fan would be and my gpu now tops at 72c without top and bottom fans.
At first I was convinced on waiting for the meshlicious but the nr200 looking kinda good rn. It might be a little bigger and maybe not as nice but I think the thermals speak for themselves along with the price.
If you don’t want the absolute smallest case possible it’s the best mainstream option. It’s also in stock. I really wanted the Meshilicious. It went w/ the NR200 and don’t regret it.
@@Bob_Smith19 seems what I'll be doing too. As much as I love the smaller got print I think better thermals and noise will do me better in the long run. At least for my peace of mind lol
I’d take a little wider case to avoid the riser cable. For one, they do not support PCIE 4.0 and higher, which will limit the longevity of such a case. For cases this expensive, modular front I/O to avoid outdated USB ports would be nice too. It helps justify the cost if you can use it for 10 years.
Ayee fresh upload, nice
Man been waiting ony ssupd meshilicious for so long I'm so excited
Been running a 3080FE in a FormD T1 since late October, and my results were very close to yours. Prior to an undervolt, it would hover between 75-77C. After an undervolt, it rarely goes above 70-72C. It's been a great, rock solid setup.
I had a DAN A4 with an EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 paired with a 3700x. I also had a 92mm liquid cooler for the cpu. But this configuration was just getting too hot for that case. I had problems cooling my nvme ssd on the back of the motherboard. And the cpu was also running pretty hot. Switched to a NR200 a month ago. It was a hard decision to make, but it was the best decision ever. Much better temps and noise.
try to add longer standoffs to the riser cable on the gpu side moving the gpu closer to the panel - this allows the air to vent better on the back side with exhaust fans on the rad
I have a 3070FE in an H1 and while it worked OK while stock, I modded my case to make it work better. I removed the 2x SSD mount and cut a section from the center panel. Folding it back, it makes a decent duct that allows the pass through air to quickly exit the rear of the case without much resistance. I saw a ~6% decrease in fan speed under max load, which is a decent difference in noise. I still have the blower fan shooting into my desk, but i also plan on customizing my desk to give clear cable and air exits down into the space under my desk. we'll see how much it improves after that.
not sure if it can support a 3080 FE, but it would definitely be an improvement.
NR200 is so flexible compared to ultra small cases. Pretty sure it can fit any card just not sure about 3 slot width cards.
Still waiting on the workout routine video :)
A good video as usual, thank you.... How would the FE Design do on a XTIA Proto? I have one but thanks to the crazy time now no 3080 ;)
I mean what's the point, it's an open "case" (more like a stand), so it's gonna be good
I recommend open test bench if you are on a budget
How would this work with the Lian-Li Tu150?
Ncase M1 owner here. I know I sound like a fanboy but this case continues to show it’s the least compromise and it’s one of the oldest True ITX cases out there
I've been running the 3090 FE in my NR200 for a couple months now. It does a fantastic job with temps, rarely hitting 50C. Frankly, it does so well I'm stuck with a aftermarket 3090 FE waterblock sitting on a shelf because I don't want to "fix what's not broken".
Bold of your to assume this video is relevant to people who can't even get their hands on a 3080 FE today.
Hoping future viewers have a lot to look forward to here!
I've got my rtx 3080 FE in a node 202. All air cooled. Play warzone at 1440p 144fps temps never get over 65°. I did mod my node 202 just by adding a mesh top for exhaust. Cpu is amd 5600x.
I saw you put a M1 behind your TV in a video. I’m hoping you get into horizontal HTPC cases and builds for 4K casual games on the TV. The FEs work really well in the Sliger console cases.
@optimum tech Would love to see how regular 3080 cooler designs work out in some of these cases. All the videos feature the 3080FE because I figure that’s what you have access to. But most of us will probably end up with a regular 3080 and it would be great to see how some of those larger cards with regular cooler designs fit and perform in our favorite case choices.
Slapping 2 120mm 15mm as intake fans to the 3080 for the h1 helps. I’m getting about 73c with a slight undervolt
Can u check out the new Winter case that Linus checked out. I want to see your thoughts on it. Seems like a pretty dope case.
Well its not like some of us can choose what graphics card we get. Any card that's in stock at MSRP is going in the cart, no matter what case we have.
And yes, I have a Ghost S1 with a 3080 FE. All I can say is it likes warm weather.
running a 3080 fe in an ncase m1 currently, looking maybe to switch to the t1 once the new versions come out tbh
Will you be covering the Raw s1?
I have an EVGA xc1 RTX3080 xc3 ultra in a dan case, this particular GPU is a dual slot with classic triple fans on the front and none at the rear, do you think it suffers too from the sandwich layout as well?
Love this channel, but SFF cases have too many limitations for me.
They are useful just if you really don't have space or you want some kind or portability.
Otherwise, a good airflow midtower is a lot more flexible, and can last much longer, because it will be fine for different components in the years to come (bigger PSU, more HD/SSD, bigger GPU, bigger coolers)
would be perfect in the Sliger CL530 aka the Conswole. The FE cards would have direct exhaust.
I saw that you can put flow through fe cards in the geeek case because it's optional to flip the psu, having the gpu blow into the psu and exhaust out of the psu
awesome video! For the SSUPD case, you could space the motherboard 20mm to allow more airflow? Just an idea 🙂
interesting as always
great vid, one question, would the CPU temps be similar to the GPU ones or different?
So streams are thursday friday and saturday 😅. I prefer 12pm aus.😁🤝😁
First time I'm seeing arrows on your thumbnail
Hey, pretty useful info as always!
I wonder, do you still have the Sliger SV590? I'm doing some testing and it would be nice to compare my results to yours.
What is the best smallest mATX case you recommend ?
You should do a video about the 3080 fe in the ghost s1 and a meta customs RTX 3000 spine. It makes thermals and airflow much better. Kind of like what the formd T1 does
I paired my NR200 with my 3-slot ROG Strix 3080 OC and an NZXT X62. It runs so quiet 🤫 and cool 😎. Especially with the Arctic P14 and P12 fans.
Mine is working well in my Cougar QBX case
NR200 my choice. U can pair (short) MATX board, ATX PSU, GTX 1650/1660s 2 fan. Budget small build case.
Will you do another fan build react?
I have a Dan A4 with a 3080 FE. I offset the riser from the spine by adding motherboard standoffs to the screws to give it more room for air to flow. My temps and sound levels are perfectly fine, even for crypto mining Ethereum - maybe a bit of hyperbole at the end of the video? ;)
Sorry for reawakening this Video. The Sliger SM560 has a triple slot GPU mount. Monst 30FEs have a two slot desing. Putting the card, with an adapter, into second and third slot, would allow one slot behind the GPU to be free. Do you think that would help with the FEs cooler design?
Will you be testing blower fan design 3080's (Gigabyte Turbo, Asus Turbo and GALAX Classic)? Well, if it will be possible to get your hands on one of those.
Very curious if those blower fans are capable at cooling the cards while maintaining at reasonable noise levels in SFF cases.
Do you consider the Silverstone SG-13 in your tests? I don't see this case quite often on your channel and it's, in my mind, a good challenger in term of performance/price compared to the other itx cases. Great video 👍🏽
I've seen some good spin mods for the Louqe were a cut behind the psu is used for better airflow. Worth looking into for those lucky Ghost S1 owners who manage to also attain a FE 3080.
I’d like to see how the Winter One compares with these cards.
how bout a 2k gaming sff build guide??
Ali, if your PSU supports it, you should get a direct to 12 pin cable from the manufacturer. Many like Seasonic, Corsair, and EVGA make them. It cuts out a lot of bulk from the adapter, and looks quite a bit better.
I hope Sliger changes to Gen 4 PCIE cables. Would love to see this data on the SM580 with the bifurcated cable and the GPU in the furthest slot.
Anyway you could revisit this with the Standoffs mod? Curious on the thermals.
thoughts on the iQunix ZX-1?
Wonder why you didnt just offset the GPU in the Meshlicious case. Theres so much space there that you can put standoffs to move it closer to the panel away from the motherboard.
Will a review of the Winter One be coming soon?
The LTT review of Winter one was a wasted opportunity. It needed Ali and his experience to do it justice. The airflow should blow all other sff cases away.
What are this cool wallpaper on screen?
I honestly cannot wait to build a new system in the nr200 or whatever revision of it that will be out when component prices and availability finally goes back to normal next year or the year after. I dream of an all white and nickel setup. And I dream of finding someone with a heavy grail hhk upgrade kit that is willing to sell it. I’d give someone 1500 bucks for it. Possibly 2k if the keyboard is included and it has custom caps that I like.
Does the Meshlicious not allow you to offset the GPU so it's mounted closer to the side panel with a gap behind it? Seems like that would be ideal.
That said, I'm not a fan of sandwich style cases. I'd rather have the mobo lying flat and the GPU right where it's supposed to be... :)
Could you do a video testing a cutout in the spine behind the PSU of the Ghost S1, with standoffs to keep the PSU as far from the GPU and close to the side panel as possible?
NR200 wins for me for not needing a riser cable and proper fans underneath the GPU whilst allowing liquid cooling the CPU.
This might be a stupid question; where to get psu cables that bend properly in a SFF case? The standard are very unruly and all I find are extensions.
Ali! You missed the chance to try this in a case practically BUILT for it: the Sliger Console/Conswole!
I know you're not all in in monitor reviews specially budget ones , but you think you can review the M27Q from Gigabyte?
Slinger S610 review?
Man, due to availability, i'm stuck with a GIANT GPU right now. I would love to see a video about which cases will fit 3080/3090 STRIX/FTW3/SUPRIM with waterblocks on them!
Good data. Unfortunately it has me waiting to upgrade my case until I can get my hands on a 3080. Almost impossible to choose your GPU design.