CZ P09 F Nocturne - Full Review - Some of it is Great, some of it is huh?
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- In this Video, I review CZ’s Updated version of the P09… the Nocturne! This is the full-size variant… so enjoy!
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The P09 is a very well designed pistol. My favorite polymer pistol for sure. The omega trigger system is a great design as well. It breaks in better with more rounds. Also pretty sure those sights will glow pretty good for a while after charged with light for a while. The P09 and P07 are just so easy to shoot well for me.
@@82lowe36id I’ll go give it a shot, someone else mentioned it… just not sure how practical it is, but I want to at least try and “charge” them. Thanks for watching!
I tried Neptune holsters from Amazon and had them do a custom holster and I must say they knocked it out of park. The holster is nice and the Customer Service was great.
Just ordered mine yesterday. Got the P07 & P01 which I Cajunized. So the P09 Nocturne will see lots of love at the range. Great video & very informative.
The mcarbo kit truly does make these super fun.
Just installed one on my p07, combined with some light hand polish and thing is amazing, I absolutely hate the decocker spring though.
Does the old mcarbo work for these too
Man you give some of the most relevant information!
I could be wrong but i think CZ had to go with the RMSC/K footprint to avoid interfering with internals. That being said, the full size EPS has the K footprint and is a perfect match for this gun. That's what i plan on mounting once i pick one of these up. P07 has been my EDC/IDPA rig for a while now so the 09F will be great for a duty/carry optic/3gun set up
@@DTWCT I might have to get my hands on the F/S EPS as I’d like to satisfy that curiosity.
Yeah the reddit pictures of the full size EPS looks ideal to me fits dang close to a perfect fit. Since you grabbed this does that mean you are going to run you A01 with p09/p10 mags not convert for the 75 mags? If you build up your p09/p10 mag eco system they are compatible with the DWX if you go down that route later.
@@LVbibby no, I already did it on one. Tbh… I’m thinking of actually doing a video on it for the B-Channel on the difference between putting on the grips and mag release. Let’s just say I made a few “whoops” in the process
thanks for the review bro, I wanted one of these, but I am going to hold off for a bit and let CZ work out a few issues with it.
Another great review. Had two old P07s, both cajunized and one milled. Reliable and great guns. Ended up offloading them, but they’re a great value and once you get a trigger job and Dawson sights/optic they perform well above their price.
The sights are glow in the dark, you have to charge or load them with white light and they will hold it. Try it.
I think the p07/p09 was always about having something familiar for competition shooters that wanted a carry gun. I bought a p07 in '13. I got rid of it because i needed the cash, then went to glock. I still cant get used to striker. Maybe too many hours behind inspecting m9s but i just love hamner sa/da.
Your take makes sense.
Very useful and thorough review, much appreciated for someon who is considering this pistol. Would it be faire to compare it to a 75 series (not Shadow, but maybe SP 01)?
@@RuBearUSA I would be interested in this… I think that would be a great comparison. Thank you for the idea!
I believe cz made this gun for night shooting, hence the physical loaded chamber indicator, red dot cut, luminescent irons and the nocturne suffix. Idc though because 99% of us just wanted the factory cut. also idk if they would let you in a competition but if you blast the front sight with a Whitelight for like 10 seconds ittl glow for a solid 2 minutes. Im still gonna paint the sights white though.
I wish radian would make a ramjet for CZ’s 😢
How was the reliability? Honest Outlaw had a lot of issues with the P09c
@@mma709 I had the one FTF in the match, otherwise was fine and shot about 400-500 rounds through it
Honest outlaw slammed in a p10f mag first thing right off the bat. Probably bent the ejector
@@justinballard7242 I rewatched the video he didn’t slam the mag that hard. It could have been the optic screws that he used. But it’s a sample size of one
I agree, the sights are not great but they will "glow" in the dark BUT they have to be charged in a bright light first.
I'd definitely buy the Cajunized version right out the gate.
While there is no tritium, it does have very good luminescent paint, as on the older P-07. If you charge it with the sun or a strong flashlight you will get a good ten minutes of bright glow. CZ-USA says the new model has "Contrast and luminescent three dot sight picture" so likely the same.
I’ll give this a shot
I’ve been looking at this for a new edc and I’ve been waiting for this review
Don't forget that the p09 can be simply chopped to take p07 mags
I am hesitating between P09 F Nocturne and P10 F. But I think I'l go to P10F which won its spurs, maybe a more safe bet. It will be my only one handgun.
New to your channel great video I'm kind of a CZ Fanboy .
Can a 97 B, be converted to either 10 mm 45 super or 9x 25 dillon? I would much prefer 10 mm I think it's coming back I have a xde 3.8 inch.
I think that would be interesting. If can be converted, I’d have to be a whole entire upper… breach face is machined to the slide for the caliber (some 2011s can change calibers on the same slide, like Infinity’s)… but if someone knows… it’d be interested just because why not?!?!
Love the P-07 and P-09. My favorite guns by CZ. Stoked about the refresh, but the optic cut is a miss. Duty size guns should be able to take duty sized optics, such as RMR’s 507’s, and DPP’s. Regrettably this is going to be a pass for me.😎✌️
Ya, good point.
As an older shooter, I slave the dot to the iron sights when able because I can see the dot without corrective lenses (old eyes), and struggle to see the iron sights. So, no, not weird.
Then what is the point having irons at that point other than they may come with them?
Edit for clarity: you mentioned needing to keep high split times to stay accurate; wondering if improving the trigger or swapping recoil spring seems like a good idea if you want to improve split time.
lol… what are you talking about? 😂
@@TheGentlemanGunner You talked about having difficulty staying on target when speeding up; your splits would be similar to glock etc but trying to speed up and it would get "wild". Wondering if that gun just has a low ceiling compared to others?
@@chefmatt6299 I see what you mean… jumping back and forth between thoughts on videos can get me disconnected. To answer original question… I’m going to throw Cajun parts in for fun and toy with it little a bit. As for as more training and time… if I spent more time on the gun… could improve the results??? Absolutely! Where I try to land with content in general is where is it out of the box and how hard is it to obtain decent results… some guns (like this one)…. You’ll have to put more time on it. It’s not perfect by any means… but I’ve seen shooters that perhaps fall under a lower threshold of training and skill hop on similar guns and produce identical results. My point, I try to articulate how hard is it to grab a higher level of performance out of the box.
Edit for the mechanical thought: to elaborate a touch more… guns that are oriented towards the Duty market tend to be heavier sprung… like this one. So if you want to tighten up groups mechanically speaking… you can play around with different recoil springs and in this case (at least minor)… hammer spring as well. Just got to be consider if what ammo you consider going forward. The further you go out such as when I go from the doubles at 10yds to the 25yd bill drill… weight and trigger tend to have a higher influence.
My plan is to do the full CGW Trigger kit along with trying different recoil springs.
@@TheGentlemanGunner thank you very much for the extensive thoughts, you absolutely answered my question. I am curious about it being something like a DA/SA glock equivalent with a size for competition and a size for carry; but if it was substantially more difficult to get proficient with than a Glock for any reason then it may not be worth the time.
Sounds like it has some potential, will never be a shadow 2 with the lower weight-but I guess my curiosity is if it can be run at a high level the way Glocks can and it sounds like you see that as viable with perhaps some work.
Thanks!
I have a P09 cut for the RMR, and had a p07 cut the same. I have never been able to shoot the p09 as well as the p07. My phantom, cut for an optic blows both of them away……. With that said, while I love the recoil and ergos of the p series, my Canik rival blows both of them out of the water both in slow fire accuracy and efficiency. Maybe it’s the trigger reach, maybe it’s the trigger…. 🤷🏻♂️
I have been looking for a holster but nothing for the nocturne specifically. Does anyone know if it will fit in a P07 holster for the compact version, or does it need to be a P09 holster?
Love your videos! I like getting opinions from a competitive shooter. Can we get a VP9 match review please?
@@Tommyramma I’ll think about that! I haven’t seen a VP9 in competition since I started… I’m curious about them
@@TheGentlemanGunner they’re rare but few of us are it there. Just like the PX4 lol
Muddy River makes holsters for it.
McCarbo spring kit and new sights is all it needs. Imo
@@nickp.2432 I think these two items pound for pound (although I’ve never tried the Mcarbo in a CZ) would be the most effective upgrades to transform this gun for fairly inexpensive
Great video ❤🎉
I think the Omega trigger is a miss on this. As long as that can be changed out, the for $500, this gun is amazing.
Thanks for the video very informative and well done as always! Thanks for pushing the CZ content hope you get that sweet A01 back soon! This probably doesn't fit much of a role for you unless you needed a winter carry or a hammer fired duty belt pistol, but thanks for reviewing it. I'm definitely grabbing the P09c very soon so I appreciate your coverage as well as Humble Marksman video. Yeah the optic cut is a little weird especially since they had an existing plate ecosystem for full size optics on other models. Fortunately the compact will be in my carry rotation so the eps 6 moa or that new enclosed sig romeo will go on her. Although C-more has an rmsc compatible smaller optic no idea if it's worth anything, but interesting and sub 3 hundo direct on their website. Be well looking forward to your competition updates and future videos!
So you know if the Nocturne slide will fit on the gen 1 frame?
Or is it different enough that you must get the whole pistol?
@@nicflatterie7772 that’s a good question… I’ll see if I can find someone locally that has one and I’ll report back if I can make it happen
@@TheGentlemanGunner thanks!
I can’t buy a complete pistol right now thanks to our government. But I can buy slides!
I find occlusion of the dot would solve the slave to irons issue.
@@Gun_Dork dude 🫡
This gun has great capacity, 19+1 beats most of the competition.
@@UltimateEnd0 that’s a valid point and one I didn’t mention… but I agree
I am somewhat impatiently awaiting a call from Cajun GW to let me know my copy is winging its way to my friendly neighborhood FFL! Being trapped behind a modern day Berlin Wall, tracking down a neutered 10-round version has been challenging (but that’s the grabbers intent)!! And with only the one permit remaining its come down to a waiting game. Waiting on the CZ and hoping it shows before my permission slip. Clocks out OR the. Sure thing - A Y-Gun Beretta GTS that will cost less than the nocturne!!
What to do??
What - to - do??
My ADHD is firing on all cylinders!
Let’s see what you say - may help calm the ‘tism.
Yeah… now you made me curious about the Beretta 😂
For a beginner, which CZ do you recommend?
@@Angelbonilla1982 what are 3 of the most important items you’re looking for in order to make a decision? (I.e. Budget, Ergos, Trigger feel, etc…)
@TheGentlemanGunner I have health issues with my hands arthritis and carpal tunnel!! I'm looking for a gun with less recoil, the best slide, and a heard about CZ P10 C and the Ruger. 380 security. Thank you for writing back.
@@Angelbonilla1982 that makes sense and I appreciate you sharing. I have a family member with severe arthritis in her hands and simplicity along with ease of movement are a priority typically. This particular gun is debatably one of the softer shooting Duty type guns. It may be a challenge to pull through the Double Action and is probably a point of consideration for you. I would actually recommend you take a closer look at the Smith & Wesson EZ Shield in 380 for the items you mentioned were important to you… easier to operate (racking the slide) and soft shooting (largely due to 380).
P10f or p10c
Why are you using the classic firearms intro song
@@bmr7776 don’t worry, I’m not… I’ve also explained this a thousand times
@@TheGentlemanGunner sorry, this is the first time I’ve ever visited your channel
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So, I consider you a better shooter than me. My “going as fast as I can” is .19 -.20 maybe a .15 on occasion. But as you observed “it all goes to crap” around
@@rurouniad first and foremost, thank you for challenging me on this. The frustrating thing for me is trying to figure out why people will watch and like the videos… but no thoughts after.
Let me start with the purpose of the this drill. The point is to see how well the gun recovers under rapid fire and what the general recoil impulse is like. The first go around are controlled pairs (in which you see I was at 0.30s)… then I ramp up the speed. My goal is to maintain a 3-4” group and in this case, 0.24. When I went faster, I started dipping into the .18/.19s… the group spread out to 7-10” typically with the second shot being high. I didn’t show that run in this video as well as kept the recoil impulse off of this part because I felt I covered that enough in other portions and didn’t want the info redundant.
Yes I am the variable and of course it is dependent on my skill. So what I do is try keep as many variables consistent such as using blazer 115 Aluminum for ammo, distance, and targets. My grip is something the audience has to trust me on and I try to use my actual grip and not a forced one… I can certainly hunker down and perhaps with some practice… crank out .18 splits at 10yds with this gun. But I try to keep it to as close to someone just grabbing the gun and going for it. I can showcase my skill, but that’s not what the audience is interested in. I have b-channel that I show my actual matches… and those views are way less than these lol.
To answer other question, I don’t drink and this was the only gun I tested that day with the weather being great for once (I put the temps on the day I evaluate on the the actual list)… so debatably should’ve been at my best. But I can walk away from this one with confidence I didn’t give this gun any special treatment nor did I fall short on it.
I sincerely appreciate you challenging it and welcome it… and thank you for watching!
@@TheGentlemanGunner my goodness. It wasn’t a challenge. I’m trying to find the “how can I correlate this” in my own journey.
Now just for a decorum of confidence boost. The overwhelming majority of shooters aren’t talking about how it all falls apart in .01 hundredths of a second lol. Yet here we are.
Also yes, I drink. Generally I avoid it when I care about my performance the next day. I can journal the days my performance takes a leap or stagnates based on this too at times when I’m just practicing.
I enjoy your videos. I have meant to comment on this procedure to get a better understanding of it.
In many ways I see a ton of your reviews and shooting roll and live vicariously through you. Your channel is good. I’m staying. You aren’t getting rid of me. lol.
Also, dude I’m B class. I’m a a baby!
@@rurouniad I guess I never thought of it that way 😂
But I’m glad you’re out there shooting and look forward to meeting you someday. 💪🏻
@@TheGentlemanGunner I thought it was fun that you are shooting blazer alum because it has a weak impulse. I “discovered this” as well. I only ditched it when I found monarch was dirt cheap at academy. An extra 100-150 rounds does add up over the course of a year.
@@rurouniad for the record, I love Blazer Aluminum and don’t recall ever saying or thinking it was “weak” … so if I said that… maybe I didn’t sleep enough 😂
Informative but too much movement. Had to stop watching
@@somedayzo6 this has to be the funniest comment I’ve ever gotten 😂
Your thumbs should point DOWN.
@@warrenrosen132 what?
Huh? If you’re referring to a pistol grip, you are wrong, and telling a professional shooter how to shoot is hilarious
Thumbs forward. Tucked, thumb should never ride the slide.never had my p07 decock while shooting.and besides, with the internal rails, the lower grip gives alot of real estate to park your thumb.
@@thePreparedFatherprofessional huh.Thats laughable. He paid to shoot in a gun match not a professional.
@@leadfarmer556 Professional as in he shoots bullets for a living, I would suggest you expand your understanding of professional, or "expert". He paid to train, thats what PROFESSIONALS do, 75% or more are just flat range, gun in locker, pretend theyre shooters type people. Unless youre marksman qualified for the marines, or army, their is a 90% chance that people like this are more knowledgeable, and at bare minimum more proficient. but I could have guessed by your faceless profile picture, lack of content on your channel, and general "know it all" demeanor that you would assume you knew more