Why Ahsoka is the BEST and WORST of Star Wars | Video Essay
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The Star Wars IP under Disney has fallen to the wayside since the Sequel Trilogy derailed and Disney Plus became the sole source of Star Wars content. After the failure of Obi-Wan Kenobi, Book of Boba Fett, and The Mandalorian Season 3, all eyes have turned to the Ahsoka Series by Dave Filoni. With the very fate of the Star Wars name almost resting on the shoulders of this show, has Ahsoka saved Star Wars? In this Star Wars Video Essay, we dive deep into the Ahsoka Series.
The Mandalorian - (2019-2023)
Ahsoka - (2023)
Andor - (2022)
Obi-Wan Kenobi - (2022)
Book of Boba Fett - (2021)
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - (2016)
The Rise of Skywalker - (2019)
The Last Jedi - (2017)
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What do you think of Ahsoka so far?
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Just a heads up, but I'm hearing from Josh of The Den of Nerds that *Ahsoka's* *Episode* *5* *is* *going* *to* *break* *the* *Internet.* The episode that drops 8 days from now.
Episodes with the highest IMDb score -
The Mandalorian Season 1 (2019)
Episode *8:* Redemption
9.2
The Mandalorian Season 2 (2020)
Episode *8:* The Rescue
9.8
The Book of Boba Fett (2021-2022)
Episode *6:* From The Desert Comes A Stranger
9.4
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2022)
Episode *6:* Part VI
8.4
Andor (2022)
Episode *10:* One Way Out
9.4
The Mandalorian Season 3 (2023)
Episode *7:* Guns For Hire
8.8
Lots of Episode 1s, 2s, and 3s aren't getting the highest scores. So I think more people needs to calm the f down and keep watching for the better stuff that happens later from each season.
House of the Dragon Season 1's highest rated episodes on IMDb -
Ep 8 The Lord Of The Tides: 9.3
Ep 10 The Black Queen: 9.2
Ep 7 Driftmark: 9.1
Ep 5 We Light The Way: 8.8
Ep 1 The Heirs Of The Dragon: 8.7
Ep 3 Second Of His Name: 8.7
Ep 9 The Green Council: 8.7
Ep 4 King Of The Narrow Sea: 8.4
Ep 2 The Rogue Prince: 8.3
Ep 6 The Princess And The Queen: 8.0
My personal favorites are Ep 7 and 3. Driftmark did have very dark scenes like The Long Night from GOT. But I enjoyed the kids fighting and then everyone in that room fighting. Matt Smith raved about Ep 7. It's the first episode they filmed. Ep 3 was when Daemon didn't utter a word in those last 10 minutes and kicked ass. Ep 6 was definitely the worst but still getting an 8 shows the consistency from the show.
In Game Of Thrones, usually the best episode was Ep 9 in the first 6 seasons with the exception of Season 5 as many feel Hardhome (9.7) was stronger than The Dance Of Dragons which I agree. But TDOD was still a very good episode.
S1E9 Baelor: 9.6
S2E9 Blackwater: 9.7
S3E9 The Rains Of Castamere: 9.9
S4E9 The Watchers On The Wall: 9.6
S5E9 The Dance Of Dragons: 9.4
S6E9 Battle Of The Bastards: 9.9
The Watchers On The Wall has a 9.6 score below S4E2 The Lion And The Rose (9.7), S4E6 The Laws Of God And Men (9.7), and S4E8 The Mountain And The Viper (9.7) . TWOTW is also tied with S4E10 The Children. I still believe TWOTW remains my favorite of S4. That episode was almost non-stop action and rivals BOTB.
Game Of Thrones Season 4 remains my favorite season. It's the one that got me completely hooked that I couldn't wait to binge watch S5 and S6. On IMDb, it has the most episodes with scores of 9.5 or above. It has a total of 5. The first 3 seasons have a combined total of 4. Season 6 has the second most 9.5+ at 3 and the only one to have a pair at 9.9s.
The Rains Of Castamere, Battle Of The Bastards, and The Winds Of Winter are top 3 on IMDb at 9.9. GOT S7's highest rated is S7E4 The Spoils Of War (9.7). I love this one. I love seeing lmon Snow and Sesskasays screaming looking like Jaime was going to be toast from Drogon. This episode was a jaw-dropper at the end.
By the time we get to S8, every episode on IMDb got a score below 8 with the highest one being S8E2 A Knight Of The Seven Kingdoms when Brienne got knighted and everyone was having a good time before waiting to face the White Walkers. Love seeing Jaime, Tyrion, Tormund, Davos, Podrick, and Brienne having fun together. The final episode got a 4, lowest ever. Well deserved. Worst series finale ever.
There are 73 episodes in Game Of Thrones. There are only 7 episodes that got a score below 8 on IMDb and 6 of those 7 came from Season 8. Only S5E6 Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken at 7.9 got a score below 8.0 that wasn't from S8. That's the one when Ramsay rapes Sansa and forces Theon/Reek to watch. Yeah, I really don't like that one.
I rewatched all of The Mandalorian and Peli Motto and Migs Mayfeld are two of the funniest characters in all of Star Wars up there with Han Solo. It helps that Amy Sedaris and Bill Burr are comedians with Bill doing stand-up. Seems like Din always has a problem with his ship. Great excuse to give Peli more screen time to help fix it and to help babysit Grogu a little.
I laughed my head off when Migs asked Djarin and Xi'an in S1E6 The Prisoner if Grogu was a child created by them? Just the way he asked reminded me of Joe Pesci in Goodfellas and Casino. I enjoyed Natalia Tena (Harry Potter fame/Osha from GOT) acting silly like she's Harley Quinn. I don't often see females act wild and weird like her in SW.
Hoping to see Migs again in future Mando episodes and Kino Loy in any future SW project. C'mon, Kino was able to get out of there. Probably a couple guys who knew how to swim pulled him onto shore. Kino can still be living in the Mando timeline since there is only a 16-year gap. I want to see former prisoners enjoying their life. Serkis' best character that's non-CG.
People needs to take a chill pill on Ahsoka. Yeah, it's been slow. Rosario's Ahsoka can act so boring and Sabine and Hera aren't all that exciting either. There's no Amy Sedaris or Bill Burr to lighten things up. But patterns from previous shows have each season usually getting better near the end. Mando S1, S2, and Obi-Wan had their best episodes being their season finale.
If you watch the 2 minutes and 13 seconds Ahsoka trailer again that came out last month, most of it we already saw in the first 3 episodes. A lot it came from the first episode. I only saw a few scenes that we haven't seen yet.
A shot from behind of Thrawn walking
Thrawn's blue face
Shin v. Sabine in the forest
Ahsoka v. Baylan
Ahsoka v. Marrok in the forest
Another quick shot of two characters with helmets and one shoots at him (or her) after Hera utters the line, "Once a rebel, always a rebel." Not sure what's happening there as nobody online broke down that frame.
I believe once we see Anakin by Ep 5 or when we finally see characters get to "a world between worlds", Ahsoka is going to get really good. Ep 5 will break the Internet. A masterpiece episode up there with Andor's "One Way Out", Mando's "The Rescue", and The Book of Boba Fett's "From The Desert Comes A Stranger" which gave us Luke, Ahsoka, and Cad Bane.
Ashoka is too stoic in the live action. Even during her hiding phase in the short story collection and the Rebel end she emotional expressive. She has the same deliver line wait 3 secs and stare delivery. Her Fight scene in Mando is more expressive then 3 esp. of Ashoka. Even when she with Hera a person who has the same "we know this threat is coming" her guard is up. Also Sabine is a mandolorian warrior she doesnt need the force to kick ass She literally had a jet pack with a missile launcher...
DISNEY'S STAR WARS FAIL.
I watched 3 episodes of Ahsoka, then watched the entire season of Onepiece. Ahsoka is not even close, it's a joke compared to Onepiece. The world building, the character development, the plot, everything is just well done in Onepiece. Meanwhile in Ahsoka you have dull conversations, they take 5 seconds to start talking, and only say like 3 words. Barely anything happened for 3 episodes, which is almost half the season. I don't know what went wrong with Disney but their writers are dogshit.
It's mediocre and doesn't do ANYTHING best
It all comes down to the art of filmmaking. Not only were the original Star Wars films revolutionary with visual effects, but they were actually great films (thanks to genius of Lucas). Things like shot composition, mis en scene, and traditional storytelling are often studied in film classes, and Lucas considered this in every shot of the film.
Even with enormous budgets, the new shows can’t seem to capture the magic of the old films because of a lack of vision with filmmaking. Most shots are usually flat and color graded to death, and the directing makes great actors deliver cardboard performances. I’m sure there are plenty of talented people behind the scenes, but it seems like Disney is sucking the life out of them. I bet that will be studied in film classes too.
I’m sure most people won’t be bothered with these intricacies, but as someone who’s studied film, I can’t unsee it.
How about the Old GODZILLA Movies⁉️
Film school makes it tricky to like much especially these days. This show is boring as f
It’s honestly sad that kids nowadays think of Star Wars as cameo-filled bad stories.. and not something like the original trilogy
I felt that in my heart
i feel that way too
Revenge of the sith had a good story
Like the original saga*
@@Deity_devilall the prequels did even tho attack was the weakest
I do agree that it does make sense that Ahsoka, Hera and Sabine will be more serious because of their history, but I think their a bit too serious especially with Sabine. All I'm saying is that I just want an bit more personality from them just an little bit.
It's easier to bring out personality in animation than live action, imo.
@@Remember_Bubblebutt Sure, but you can still do it in live action too it not that hard.
You can have characters be serious without being boring as hell which everyone in this show is
Ahsoka is overly serious and way too confident. She never acts like anything is a threat to her so why should we? She's become unlikable.
@@Remember_Bubblebuttthey are professional actors. Shouldn’t be an issue
At episode 3 of 8 feels way too early to claim its the BEST or the WORST
Feloni shouldn't direct. The second and third episodes were so much better shot, acted, paced and even lighted. I noticed they got a second art director for the next episodes pastthe first so I think they are addressing the issues that popped up qith the first episode. I like the show so far
Agreed. He's similar to Lucas in the good and bad. Direction appears to be the same
Agreed. He may be a good ideas man, but less good in execution. I think he needs to learn what he's good at and play on those things.
Hey, working cinematographer here. In reality the director doesn't really have that much to do with shooting or lighting. Sure he has a creative vision and a look that he's going for, but it's the cinematographer's job to make that come to life, and make the director's vision look as good as possible.
Directors tend to be more focused on bringing the whole project together, and working with the actors, leaving most of the cinematography to the DPs
K, so they realized their standing in medium frame shots over and over again in over lighted and underacted scenes from the first episode were bloody garbage and obviously tried to fix it in the next two episodes. 🙄
Doesn't take away from the fact that Feloni/Lucas are shit directors. Are you saying the director has no say in this shit?
Also u might be on to something cause it looks Like Eric Steelberg got replaced...
In my opinion the worst/most nerfed lightsabers were in the obi wan show. In that scene where obi wan goes to save lea from the inquisitor base. Obi wan hits the storm troppers with the lightsaber and it looked like he hit them with a baseball bat 😂 it didnt even cut them, they just fell on the floor 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
I just realized this just now: so often people don't think about this, but many criticisms people have of Disney-era Star Wars don't apply to Rogue One.
So far:
- The Mary Sueness, invincible power of the female lead.
- The trivialization of the big bad villain.
- The character assassination of legacy characters.
- The absence of worldbuilding information to bridge itself with George's story.
- The contradiction between the stated themes and the events of the story.
- The unrealistic expectations on Disney's part that audiences are familiar with kid-oriented but canon animated materials.
- The blatant placement of creatures that are less characters and more merchandise baits.
And now adding to the pile: The nerfing of lightsaber's lethal power.
The biggest issue I have is there trying to making Sabine ashoka's ashoka. But its hyper belittles a 30(ish) yr old Woman who liberated her planet and is a mandolorian Warrior from one of its famous lines. She doesn't need to be a Jedi. Being a Jedi is a regression of Her Character not a progression
yeah I was surprised he didn't mention the jedi-fication of Sabine. Why why why. Just have her be able to fight force-users as a Mandalorian - in the same vein as Cad Bane was able to as a bounty hunter. With tricks and wits and tactics.
My biggest gripe with this show so far is their treatment of Sabine. She feels so ridiculously weak.
@@_Wombat The way they handled Sabine in this series is probably my most disliked creative decision they've made since the sequel trilogy. .
Sabine was already a cool character as someone from the race of people who could fight Jedi without the Force. Not a good decision.@@_Wombat
I don't see how Ahsoka does anything the "BEST". What exactly does it do best? It's a fucking bore the entire time. Andor is the best modern Star Wars TV show we've gotten hands down.
It's understandable that Ahsoka is a little stoic based on how her life has turned out but not that the stoicism has replaced her other traits. The same applies even more to Hera who has none of the warmth, compassion or vulnerability left that made her awesome. The characters evolve and change but if that change is too drastic, you can't see the path between which creates a disconnect between versions of the character.
I keep saying it- you can portray “world weary” in a way other than being completely devoid of emotion.
I can understand Ahsoka being worn down by the trauma she’s endured.
What I can't understand is why anyone thinks that her being a completely flat, one-note character would be appealing to audiences, particularly when she is the main character of the show.
Another issue is that people who’ve never seen CW or Rebels do not have the context of her trauma to explain why she’s so lifeless. That’s a pretty big problem that just encouraging people to watch a backlog of cartoon episodes isn’t going to solve.
What they’re going to do, is reserve all of Ahsoka’s emotional payoff for a single episode, probably the finale in which she either talks to Anakin’s force ghost or has a flashback or steps back through time to that moment Ezra saved her or something. This big emotional moment will override the 7 episodes of bland, flat, stoic acting before it and everyone will praise the portrayal of the character.
I’m sorry. That doesn’t work for me. If this stoicism is intentional, the characters in the show to need to be self aware about it. The show also needs to show the characters struggling. The closest they got was Sabine’s affection for Ezra’s hologram and painting. But Sabine isn’t the main character (well, at least, she isn’t billed as such).. Ahsoka is. Ahsoka should be having these moments where we see her hidden emotions so we know that they’re in there and that her flat affect is just a coping mechanism.
This is bad writing.
I'm glad someone said what I was feeling so eloquently. Even in Rebels and her brief appearances in BoBF and The Mandolorian she simply moved more, spoke with more direction.
I mean yeah I completely understand what you’re saying, but I personally am fine with it, and as he said this show is clearly more for hardcore fans. Not disregarding his devils advocate point, I just take the stance that you shouldn’t watch this show if you haven’t seen rebels or clone wars.
Star Wars is at the stage now where a little bit more competent cinematography is not going to cover up lazy writing anymore.
Thats why Andor was so amazing, it has tremendous visuals and great set production, but it was the writing, the acting, the deliver and the direction that give so much substance to the visuals. Is really sad that we wont get that again in Ahsoka
Part of the reason everything feels so small is there's no fucking overhead shots!
I might be the only fan commenting this, but I believe Ahsoka Tano should have died at the end of Rebels S2. Think about it, ever since the Jedi Order treated her harshly over a misunderstanding Ahsoka left her beloved Master Anakin behind. And many years later, she finally meets him again only now knowing he's become Darth Vader. She says she'll never leave him this time only for Vader to say then you will die. Something about that whole scene felt so Shakespeare and so poetic, it felt like the perfect way to end her character.
But Dave can't seem to let precious things go I guess.
She's his personal little Mary Sue.
@@anonymous-hz2uny’all overuse that word it’s lost it’s meaning. Plot armor doesn’t equal Mary Sue. Mary Sue is a character that never fails or has hardships and that’s not the case with Ahsoka
@@michaelleggo9318 She's a shoehorned in fanfic character that Filoni pushes everywhere. I don't care about terminology.
@@anonymous-hz2unGeorge co created it’s not a fan fic but keep crying😂
I think her healing from the trauma Anakin caused is more satisfying for me then another person Anakin killed from his past
"Find a map that leads to Kathleen Kennedy being fired"... you earned that Like.
Ahsoka being stoic isn't the biggest issue. You can be stoic but you'll still show emotions, laugh, frown, any facial expressions. Leia, Luke, Han lived in infinitely worse timeline yet they find time to laugh, joke, get mad, show emotions. There's literally no reason nor logic to Ahsoka being emotionless. Even animation Ahsoka had waaaay more emotional expressions than the live action. I won't even mention the dull, boring dialogue in the show, it's garbage tier, even students would write better dialogue.
This cause me great pain the very first time in the first episode, I was coming from the amazing Andor finding myself again in LOVE with Star Wars. I was expecting not that very complex dialogue but a consistent one, a more logical one, then we got the horrible captain calling a bluff the arrival of Skoll and Hati, then that Indiana Joneish thing with droids porting nukes that will put Oppenhamier to shame, then Sabine running from a simple speach, A FUCKING SPEACH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD and forcing the deployment of two A Wings to chase her, A SO CALL COMMANDER RUNNING FROM A SPEACH. Then that long, stoic, simple basic almost not functional dialogue with awkawards looks each other, then Sabine stealling the orb/map from Ahoska with no reason at all and finally that stabb, THAT FUCKGIN STABBBB WITH A GLOWING STICK taking away again all the lethality and importance of one of the most cools and dangerous weapons in all CINEMA/TV/FANTSY/Sci-Fi. I was in horror, lets just hope, PLEASE JUST HOPE that this can turn the tide, but right now, this is very mediocre at best.
Bang on. She's not stoic, she's just emotionless.
After finding out that Morgan Elsbeth had escaped: 😐
After supposedly being cautious and unsure about going to Sabine about the map 😐
After finding out that Sabine has lost the map 😐
After Sabine wakes up in hospital after being stabbed 😐
There was just... nothing.
I get feeling those things but choosing to be stoic, but you can show that through the performance,and they just... don't.
It’s all in the same timeline dude, just set in different years in that timeframe.
there is a reason: emoting will ruin the face tatoo make up
@@kubli365 true, especially since she's woman and therefore not allowed to show signs of aging (and of course, never get any facial scar or lose a limb ever. Don't believe me? Name one character, who's a lead female, who's ever scared or ever loses a limb, in Star Wars.)
My main issue with Star Wars is still character writing. Ahsoka literally starts off with "look at this new badass character we made riding her bike and probably breaking a dozen laws and getting off scot free with a nod of appreciation to how badass she is!". It's tedious when the show is this blunt about everything. It just isn't interesting to me.
If she's some decorated war hero do you know what would have made her more interesting? Showing up to that ceremony, interacting with her fellow soldiers and giving more subtle hints that she doesn't want to be there. Actually build a character instead of forcing this extreme stereotype in a cheap, lazy way.
I agree with you about the scale of the shows feeling small except for Andor, but also excepting Season 1 of Mando. Greig Fraser is one of the most talented cinematographers of our time, and utilized the volume to its best degree. I think Mando season 2 was really when the "small feel" started cropping up.
one problem is that we're supposed to be concerned with some guy in the live-action universe whom nobody's ever heard of before
Failures after failure on both sides of the camera. Now it's just a hot stove so keep away or risk being burned.
Honestly, Disney could not afford to have a show that isn’t close to perfect. They’ve let us down so many times and they needed this win. The fact that they really needed this to succeed, and it still turned out a mixed bag is kinda sad. For some other studios, I would say putting out a mixed bag show is no big deal but Disney desperately needed this to be excellent and it wasn’t. With that said, thanks to this video, I will give the show another chance. I stopped after episode 1 when Sabine got stabbed with a lightsaber. I told myself that if I watched the first few minutes of episode 2, and she is not either dead or severely injured or greatly affected in some way, then I’m done with the show. And predictably, that happened. Because it’s Disney Star Wars.
I liked a lot of the points but there is too much, especially in the writing, that seems much more on Dave than it does Disney. Like at some point, there has to be more responsibility placed on his end, especially in the context of the Ahsoka show. Because as much as I like Dave's star wars approach, the filmmaking leaves more to be desired.
It's about a 7/10 so far for me. Andor was about a 9 and I was hoping they would have taken notes
I was hoping this to, but when I hear the very basic dialogue, so simple, the same stoic expression on almost every female character, then just hit like a train for me, this will not be any where near Andor, and that just cause me pain, I will hope that this time we will get a streak, not of bad shows, but good ones.
I ain't trying to be rude to Rosario but Ahsoka just feels really bland in this series. Maybe not bland but...very...stoic...and it just doesn't feel right I guess? I'll have to wait and see if this changes moving forward but first 3 episodes she's just not feeling like Ahsoka to me if that makes sense.
Yeah it’s phantom menace level acting everyone felt like an emotionless monotone
I've watched Clone Wars & Rebels & I still think that a lot of the characters in the Ahsoka series are acting like stoic girl bosses with a little bit of nuance. The agenda is clear. The force is female. The Acolyte is also female-centric & it is strongly hinted that The Mandalorian season 4 could be centered around Bo Katan.
if ahsoka's character change is canon with how she should be.. then why do people hate it in comparison to the last 20 appearances she's made canonically..
Cause this is post her finding out about Vader and years later pretty sure that would change someone a lot
@@Bysisndidksn Except we have an ENTIRE SEASON with her having found out about Vader and dealing with that yet she DOES NOT act this closed off when it would make much more sense for her to do so around people she doesn't know that well. The Vader part is not a good argument. You can't have it do relatively little when it is most relevant then be the catalyst for a much larger change. Plus, it's never not stupid for a major character to go through a drastic change offscreen.
@@John-fk2ky The "entire season" having Ahsoka in approximately five episodes, and only like, two of them where we actually focus on her for more than.... five minutes tops before she gets barely any screentime.
Why do all the costumes look clean it breaks the realism
Andor was smart to purposely rub dirt on its costumes and wrinkle them a bit to look lived in
Seriously, if I can tell you I despise with fury the uniform of the New republic, GOD that looks bad XDXD. I can finally understand why the First Order want so much exterminate them all. Complete lack of fashion and good dress. hahahaha.
@@danielbadillo8334yep, In Andor you can clearly see the effort and the detail in the clothing, far superior in that and every other level imo
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I completely agree with your point made at 17:48, highlighting the survival of several Star Wars characters in the Disney era despite facing lightsaber stabs. However, it's important to note that Han Solo wasn't the sole character to meet his demise in such a manner. For instance, Cere Junda met her end moments after a lightsaber stab from Vader. This observation might not fully justify this lightsaber problem, but it's a noteworthy instance that appears to be overlooked in discussions about characters surviving lightsaber stabs within the Disney era. Perhaps this lack of attention stems from the limited exposure of this occurrence, as not many people watching the films and shows seem to have played Jedi Survivor. Great video!
pretty epic fight ngl th-cam.com/video/b07pkFWcIoY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=nYpp3Pr2nDoiXKGL
And also cal got stab on the side unlike Qui-Gon so I believe him surviving it
The show is garbage either way
I think you can survive a stab if you have immediate medical attention. Most of everyone who died from a stab were left to die
My biggest problem so far is that I don't really care about what's happening. Like sure, there's cool stuff happening on the screen but i'm just not invested, mostly because there's basically zero tension. However I definitely agree that the antagonists are pretty cool and the 2nd galaxy stuff is also fairly interesting.
By the way, i have watched both Clone Wars and Rebels. I liked clone wars, but really disliked rebels.
Disney/Lucasfilm have been buring the Star Wars Brand for far too long. And judging by the ratings and views on the show, it's not hard to see why many fans and audiences feel done.
Same, because it leads up to the sequels
Weird, I preferred Rebels to Clone Wars. Although both good shows. Rebels really surprised me with how good it was. Each to their own.
Yeah emotionless, unlikeable characters on a stakeless treasure hunt is so cool. Especially if you watched a random kids cartoon.
It does have its problems but I feel the passion behind it which is something that’s lacking in most Disney Star Wars. So far it’s solid to me hopefully it can keep improving.
Andor has more love and passion than this crap
Lightsabers are silly now because Disney has a big objection to any form of dismemberment in their content. Even Darth Maul's fall in Ep 1 wouldn't be allowed today.
You know, I’ve caught up with several of your Star Wars videos today and a recurring statement you seem to fall back on time and time again is that Dave Filoni is the “savior“ of Star Wars going forward because he’s the closest thing to George Lucas the franchise has right now…
I’m not a hardcore fan. I’m simply someone who just wants a good story with rich characters and world building. I don’t think that’s too much to ask for. 90% of what Star Wars has delivered in the last five years has been anything but and I can’t stress how good and bad something like Andor is for this franchise. It both shows how amazing the IP can get and simultaneously bring to light how bad and/or mid the others truly are.
But I respectfully disagree about Dave. It’s great that he “seems to be“ tuned in with what Star Wars fans “seem to want“, but other than Mando S1 (which was decent by comparable standards), I haven’t been impressed??? I’m basically watching shows out of obligation and barely coming out satisfied.
Enter Ahsoka - you said it in this video - how are people who haven’t watched any of those clone wars shows supposed to empathize with her and her story? My first exposure to Ahsoka was in Mando S2 🤷♂️. As far as I’m concerned, she’s just some “supposedly” important “Jedi” that has ties with Luke Skywalker 🙄. That’s it. That’s all I remember. Who tf is Sabine and why do I care? Who is the green colored Ahsoka-race person?? Idk. Stuff is happening in the show and I’m not really jiving with it.
I’d given up after episode 4, despite how that ep ended because the whole reliance on cameos doesn’t work on me anymore 🙄, but it’s BECAUSE of the people online, through explanatory videos, helping me understand the context behind that scene that I wanted to see how episode 5 played out. BECAUSE of them, not the show itself…
Episode 5 was fine 🤷♂️.
I walked away from that ep feeling like Ahsoka fans would be really happy. As for me?
I’m left waiting and hoping 🤞that Andor S2 can at least reach the pinnacle “masterpiece” of what S1 was. I’m still waiting to be impressed again. I’m not feeling that here and it’s kind of ironic because ”Ahsoka” is what pushed me to go back and finish Mando S3 after I dropped it and ANDOR after I never gave it a serious shot in the first place. 🤖
Through my eyes, “Dave“ is not the answer. It’s whomever can reproduce something as engaging as what Andor was.
I think it falls in the middle of the live action shows. Definitely not as good as Andor or the first couples seasons of Mando but definitely above Obi-Wan, Mando 3 and boba Fett. But then again we haven’t seen the whole thing could go higher or lower we’ll see
Tbh i think it is better than mando s1 and s2, imo
@@magaakhilgov5260 agreed. I think Mando S1 and S2 are remembered far too fondly. Go back and watch them, they have a few moments but they are still bad... imo
@@_WombatI went back and watched them... I love them even more now
@1:34 THAT. THAT right there bothers me, the absolute death blow of a move called impalement should do what it has proven to do before i.e Qui Gon, Agen Kolar. Why can't lightsaber wounds actually be significant anymore. Where's the danger if you lose a battle, it's nonexistent. They should either give actual consequences to those moves or choose different less fatal ways of being hit by a lightsaber.
That was not a death blow. Not even close.
Damn didnt think movie overload would stoop as low as promoting gambling in his videos. think im unsubscribing from both his channels. Cause thats not okay
I think I was just too spoiled by the high quality of writing, acting, attention to detail and storytelling of Andor that I am just not willing to accept the bullshit this show has done so far.
Sabine should be dead or in critical condition with that injury. Sorry not sorry.
This exaclty happens to me. Why paint the captain as a complete incompetent idiot? Instead of having Baylon and Shin infiltrate through cunning and a good plan to then take over the ship, showing the intelligence of the two new antagonists prevailing and even showing mercy on a competent captain and his team who gave their all to stop them. Why make Sabine run and skip a speech that was her duty as commander only to have her slip under an A Wing? Instead we could have had Sabine in a scene overcoming Ezra's feelings of loss and then giving the speech in front of all these people, a beautifully written speech/monologue with a camera close up to then see her tears while she cant take any more but resisting anyway like the commander that she is, that would have been BADASS. Why having a stoic Ahsoka, almost petulant and arrogant when she is full of kindness, understanding, love, she no longer has the energy of when she was young, she has learned but she is still that sweet and alive girl in there despite all the suffering and the losses she had to endure. Why this stoic portray of Hera, a similar character to Ahsoka, a loving mother, a true lover, a General.
Why this basic and almost dysfunctional dialogue empty and devoid of emotion? These scenes without logic or sense?
Andor has opened our eyes like windows bigger than the skyes.
This is not Ahsoka, this is not Sabine, this is not Hera. What the hell are you doing Filoni?
Don't be sorry. Sabine at the end of Rebels would have been a mature person, only to regress to being a punk, rebellious teenager... at the age of 30 in Ahsoka (show is set in 9 ABY). She would not be a big loss after that character regression.
episode 1 and 2 was boring. episode 3 was great and hope it stays that way with 4.
Disagree. They were all pretty boring. Only good thing is David Tenant droid tbh.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the first two episodes supposed to be the 'hook'? Like traditional pilots etc.
Idk, in episode 3 all they did was leave hyperspace and land on a planet.
Ep 1 and 2 for me full of inconsistency and bad desicions, also extremely long with basic very primitive dialogue. But yes Ep 3 a bit more taking off, though the scene when Ahsoka gets out of the ship is total nonsense, those three space airplanes could have surrounded her from long range and blast the shit out of the ship killing both MC righ tthere. With a more solid writing you could have Ahoska from within the ship using the force to strike the enemy planes(sorry those fighters really looks like planes stright out of from the WW2 jejeje) The point is that Ep 3was abit better than 1 and 2 but not by so much margin. Lets hope that that improve in the upcoming ones
@@foureveralone🤡🤡🤡
Everything is leading to the sequels.
And everything leads to Old Man Luke. 🤦🏻
Maybe that is why we are all subconsciously struggling with these shows. Who cares what happens if it all leads to that garbage anyway
@@danielbadillo8334 I never thought of it like this. They either need to latch on to Cal Kestis from the games or give us whole new protagonists in a film that we can attach ourselves to and get the sequels out of our heads!
(But Disney isn't taking risks on new characters these days).
Let's just go to Ezra's galaxy and stay there. In enough time we'll forget about the Palpatine Saga.
So I wonder what happens to Thrawn come the end of this season of Ashoka
Tbh, the lightsaver duel in kenobi the flashback, as a training session and it was pretty good, it was prequel era level. The final duel... well thats other thing.
George Lucas has explicitly said several times that Vader and obi wan NEVER met after Mustafar and before the death star. Obi wan is the show that made me give up on Star wars
First of all, I agree with mostly everything you said, mostly. I might receive hate for this but for me Ahsoka is suffering from a protagonist problem mainly. You said that Ahsoka at this point should be stoic because of her history and I agree, but they are not pulling it off and it's coming across as wooden instead. Stoic characters should have a strong screen presence and Rosario Dawson just doesn't, not sure if it's her or the directing. Baylan has it, Fennec has it and even to some extent Bo Katan in Mando. There is gravitas, like you WANT to watch these characters even though they're serious and not saying much. Ahsoka comes across as bland and disinterested. That's a big problem for me, and it sucks because Ahsoka is my favorite SW character too
My brother is the biggest starwars nerd i know and he asked me at work have you noticed something is wrong with it lately. So i brought him up to date now he is angry and sad at the same time. 19:44
Someone found a worse sponsor then Raid. I'm actually impressed.
Make the Dark Souls guy the main character.
Yes thank you! You hit the nail on the head. This is exactly how i feel about the show. It's not as good as Andor (not yet at least) But it's so much better then all the other shows.
3 questions.
1. Why should we be threatened by thrawn?
2. If we are to be threatened by him, why do Ahsoka and Sabine risk bringing him back just to see Ezra Bridger again? That was the whole point of Ezra's sacrifice.
3. What do the 3 antagonists want? Power? How/why? What does it have to do with Thrawn?
Basically, why should we care about any of this? The idea of a new galaxy seems ok I guess. But there is no sense of scale or what the stakes are.
From the first episode of Andor we knew what the characters want (find his sister, rise in rank in the empire, etc.) and the stakes were always there but they grew and grew with every episode until, finally, our hero makes some heroic moves.
The only reason I'm still checking out Ahsoka is in the hopes that it becomes a real story. Even with the context of Rebels. Because right now there is no reason for any of it.
1. Thrawn is basically the equivalent of Palpatine when it comes to his manipulation. He would have won if it wasn't for the space whales.
2. Sabine was risking bringing him back because she feels like she's lost her purpose since her entire family was murdered.
3. Witch lady wanted to bring Thrawn back, that's obvious. The Siths are clearly for season 2.
Additionally, remember how bad the first season of Rebels was? And the first one of Clone Wars? Yeah that's Filoni's style you gotta have patience.
Also, WHERE DO YOU THINK THE NEW ORDER CAME FROM?!! Hello!
i was just watching your videos and now you uploaded, bouta watch it!
Just a heads up, but I'm hearing from Josh of The Den of Nerds that *Ahsoka's* *Episode* *5* *is* *going* *to* *break* *the* *Internet.* The episode that drops 8 days from now.
Episodes with the highest IMDb score -
The Mandalorian Season 1 (2019)
Episode *8:* Redemption
9.2
The Mandalorian Season 2 (2020)
Episode *8:* The Rescue
9.8
The Book of Boba Fett (2021-2022)
Episode *6:* From The Desert Comes A Stranger
9.4
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2022)
Episode *6:* Part VI
8.4
Andor (2022)
Episode *10:* One Way Out
9.4
The Mandalorian Season 3 (2023)
Episode *7:* Guns For Hire
8.8
Lots of Episode 1s, 2s, and 3s aren't getting the highest scores. So I think more people needs to calm the f down and keep watching for the better stuff that happens later from each season.
House of the Dragon Season 1's highest rated episodes on IMDb -
Ep 8 The Lord Of The Tides: 9.3
Ep 10 The Black Queen: 9.2
Ep 7 Driftmark: 9.1
Ep 5 We Light The Way: 8.8
Ep 1 The Heirs Of The Dragon: 8.7
Ep 3 Second Of His Name: 8.7
Ep 9 The Green Council: 8.7
Ep 4 King Of The Narrow Sea: 8.4
Ep 2 The Rogue Prince: 8.3
Ep 6 The Princess And The Queen: 8.0
My personal favorites are Ep 7 and 3. Driftmark did have very dark scenes like The Long Night from GOT. But I enjoyed the kids fighting and then everyone in that room fighting. Matt Smith raved about Ep 7. It's the first episode they filmed. Ep 3 was when Daemon didn't utter a word in those last 10 minutes and kicked ass. Ep 6 was definitely the worst but still getting an 8 shows the consistency from the show.
In Game Of Thrones, usually the best episode was Ep 9 in the first 6 seasons with the exception of Season 5 as many feel Hardhome (9.7) was stronger than The Dance Of Dragons which I agree. But TDOD was still a very good episode.
S1E9 Baelor: 9.6
S2E9 Blackwater: 9.7
S3E9 The Rains Of Castamere: 9.9
S4E9 The Watchers On The Wall: 9.6
S5E9 The Dance Of Dragons: 9.4
S6E9 Battle Of The Bastards: 9.9
The Watchers On The Wall has a 9.6 score below S4E2 The Lion And The Rose (9.7), S4E6 The Laws Of God And Men (9.7), and S4E8 The Mountain And The Viper (9.7) . TWOTW is also tied with S4E10 The Children. I still believe TWOTW remains my favorite of S4. That episode was almost non-stop action and rivals BOTB.
Game Of Thrones Season 4 remains my favorite season. It's the one that got me completely hooked that I couldn't wait to binge watch S5 and S6. On IMDb, it has the most episodes with scores of 9.5 or above. It has a total of 5. The first 3 seasons have a combined total of 4. Season 6 has the second most 9.5+ at 3 and the only one to have a pair at 9.9s.
The Rains Of Castamere, Battle Of The Bastards, and The Winds Of Winter are top 3 on IMDb at 9.9. GOT S7's highest rated is S7E4 The Spoils Of War (9.7). I love this one. I love seeing lmon Snow and Sesskasays screaming looking like Jaime was going to be toast from Drogon. This episode was a jaw-dropper at the end.
By the time we get to S8, every episode on IMDb got a score below 8 with the highest one being S8E2 A Knight Of The Seven Kingdoms when Brienne got knighted and everyone was having a good time before waiting to face the White Walkers. Love seeing Jaime, Tyrion, Tormund, Davos, Podrick, and Brienne having fun together. The final episode got a 4, lowest ever. Well deserved. Worst series finale ever.
There are 73 episodes in Game Of Thrones. There are only 7 episodes that got a score below 8 on IMDb and 6 of those 7 came from Season 8. Only S5E6 Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken at 7.9 got a score below 8.0 that wasn't from S8. That's the one when Ramsay rapes Sansa and forces Theon/Reek to watch. Yeah, I really don't like that one.
I rewatched all of The Mandalorian and Peli Motto and Migs Mayfeld are two of the funniest characters in all of Star Wars up there with Han Solo. It helps that Amy Sedaris and Bill Burr are comedians with Bill doing stand-up. Seems like Din always has a problem with his ship. Great excuse to give Peli more screen time to help fix it and to help babysit Grogu a little.
I laughed my head off when Migs asked Djarin and Xi'an in S1E6 The Prisoner if Grogu was a child created by them? Just the way he asked reminded me of Joe Pesci in Goodfellas and Casino. I enjoyed Natalia Tena (Harry Potter fame/Osha from GOT) acting silly like she's Harley Quinn. I don't often see females act wild and weird like her in SW.
Hoping to see Migs again in future Mando episodes and Kino Loy in any future SW project. C'mon, Kino was able to get out of there. Probably a couple guys who knew how to swim pulled him onto shore. Kino can still be living in the Mando timeline since there is only a 16-year gap. I want to see former prisoners enjoying their life. Serkis' best character that's non-CG.
People needs to take a chill pill on Ahsoka. Yeah, it's been slow. Rosario's Ahsoka can act so boring and Sabine and Hera aren't all that exciting either. There's no Amy Sedaris or Bill Burr to lighten things up. But patterns from previous shows have each season usually getting better near the end. Mando S1, S2, and Obi-Wan had their best episodes being their season finale.
If you watch the 2 minutes and 13 seconds Ahsoka trailer again that came out last month, most of it we already saw in the first 3 episodes. A lot it came from the first episode. I only saw a few scenes that we haven't seen yet.
A shot from behind of Thrawn walking
Thrawn's blue face
Shin v. Sabine in the forest
Ahsoka v. Baylan
Ahsoka v. Marrok in the forest
Another quick shot of two characters with helmets and one shoots at him (or her) after Hera utters the line, "Once a rebel, always a rebel." Not sure what's happening there as nobody online broke down that frame.
I believe once we see Anakin by Ep 5 or when we finally see characters get to "a world between worlds", Ahsoka is going to get really good. Ep 5 will break the Internet. A masterpiece episode up there with Andor's "One Way Out", Mando's "The Rescue", and The Book of Boba Fett's "From The Desert Comes A Stranger" which gave us Luke, Ahsoka, and Cad Bane.
DAMN boy ,you really did the homework, XD. Good points there, we can hope that Ahsoka improves from here, for me Ep 1 and 2 where really bad, 3 not so much, aside form the space scene with Ahsoka in his space suit. We can only hope.
>Guns For Hire
Oh god, that's the episode with Jack Black and Lizzo being clowns for a quarter of the episode. People actually ate that stuff up?
Jesus bro wrote an entire dissertation. Ever thought about starting a channel with all these scripts?
@@aquapendulum the normies like Jack Black. It's that simple.
Movie Overload sounds so fimilar, Does he have another channel?
17:50 I'd be willing to bet the fall off of the bridge is what killed him according to DIS. Otherwise, they'd have had him walk that $#!+ off/rub some dirt in it to survive too 😂
I dont have the time or interest to even give another Star Wars project the time of day.
I have above average knowledge of Star Wars stuff but im not a fan boy by any means, this shit is just boring.
People who are complaining modern Star Wars looks cheap, the George Lucas did the original film in the cheap. But when these shows and movies cost $300M and looks cheap, there is no excuse for that.
It's sad how apathetic I am now towards any new Star Wars product..
I think your enjoyment of the show comes down to whether or not you've seen Clone Wars and Rebels. Those who've seen them like it, those who haven't don't.
Me personally, I think it's alright. Better than Boba, Obi-Wan, Mando S3, worse than Mando s1 and 2, and Andor.
At least, that's how it is to me so far.
I've seen Clone Wars and Rebels. It's for exactly that reason I don't like Ahsoka (the show) all that much. The characters feel too "off" to me.
Ahsoka seems more lively in BOBF than in her own show.
Rather strange, eh?
As for the 'stoic' argument, there's a wide chasm between stoicism and lifelessness. And what I'm seeing in the show isn't stoicism.
this is a really good review especially pointing out tiny sets and the editing of conversations
11:55 inter galactic travel is neither lore nor canon
Filoni needs help from a good experienced writers' room and live-action directorial mentorship. It feels like he's just doing the same thing he did in animation and lots of it doesn't translate well into live-action.
I think everybody should wait before calling this show good or bad it’s only have had 3 episodes so far
@movieoverload disagree with the lightsaber bit. Prequels lightsaber fighting was supposed to show jedi in their prime and display combat oriented nature the order had taken. George did an interview about this and i think it still stands that the force is now dispersed in power and has decrease since the old republic or twilight rep era thereby decreasing user’s power and ability to combat. Also if you dont have anyone to practice with consistently as an isolated jedi would you wont keep those skills
I agree some what but I still see just trash. The fact it COULD and SHOULD be SOOO MUCH BETTER. We are so used to trying to justify why it's ok or better then the trash we are used to.
First few episodes were fine but I wasn’t impressed by it, it’s just okay. Some blindly hate and others blindly love
Hier to the empire isn’t about thrawn, it’s about Dave
Tbh Sabine struggling to master the Force is basically writings basics applied. Sad to see it's to the point we're pointing this out as a great thing (sad for Star Wars at least, and for Disney at large).
*Side note* Ray Stevenson makes me flashback to my sith in Star Wars The Old Republic that was a big guy with short hair and beard. It made really go "wooow" first time I saw him beacuse it feelt like my sith on the screen! :)
Wondering if SW makes more money from movies or TV shows? I'm thinking from movies. Streaming gets cannibalized from torrents and shared passwords. I'm thinking if Ahsoka is epic enough in the later half of this season, the SW movie centered around Thrawn as the villain and directed by Filoni will definitely be green lit.
I miss those times watching Star Wars movies with bunch of enthusiastic nerds in the theater during a midnight showing. I saw midnight showings for AOTC in 2002 and ROTS in 2005. Saw TFA in IMAX 3D in 2015. All were packed theaters. Had a great time each time. Cheers were loud when Yoda fought in AOTC and ROTS.
Did you know that Andor's budget was $250M? Most expensive SW TV series ever. But it did look good because they didn't use The Volume tech as much like Mando, Boba, and Obi-Wan did. They used more practical effects and shot in real locations. Andor was really two seasons in one as Ep6 The Eye could've easily been an S1 finale.
Would love to see a new Star Wars film again in the theaters. I'm reading two will be released in May and Dec of 2026. I'm hoping the May one is Dawn of the Jedi directed by James Mangold. And the Thrawn one is in December. I'm really not interested in another Rey film.
I know so many people hates Rey but I don't feel Daisy deserves it. She was a badly written character. Maybe Rey will act older and wiser in her next film. I can see people loving Rey when the character is in her 60s or 70s and she's this old wise Jedi Master. Think Olenna in Game of Thrones. I think some of us would be dead by then if Daisy is in her 60s or 70s.
The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker were only 4 to 6 years ago. I'm not sure we should get another Rey film until 2032. Daisy will be 40 by then. And then people can start appreciating her like people are doing now for Hayden, Dustin Diamond, and Andrew Garfield. We shouldn't expect Rey to act the same in her 40s vs. her 20s as seen with Ahsoka. She's probably running a Jedi school by that point.
People can flip-flop. I remember people mocking Marisa Tomei for winning an Oscar for My Cousin Vinny (1992). Over a decade later, she becomes a very good actress. Loved her in The Wrestler (2008). SW fans can love Rey if she's written better in the next film. Give us Dawn of the Jedi and a Thrawn film or perhaps a trilogy about him. This Ahsoka series will light the fire for the latter.
The Rey film is surely next? It seems to be the only one Disney are talking about currently but maybe I need to update myself.
Couple of parts bother me. The map is straight up stupid as hell won"'t get into that, but the acting was non exsistent the first 2 episodes. Oh sabine in under attack lets look at the droid without facial expression. I have only known her for multiple years and fought by her side in a rebellion for hera.
I agree the dude with the orange lightsaber is the best new charcter in SW in a long time, but as someone who watched clone wars and Rebels (though I wasn't a huge fan) I couldn't disagree with you more about the 3 girl bosses. Sure, it makes sense for them to be a little more mature and cynical, but all 3 of them are just stoic and have 0 charm from the shows. So far, this show is mediocre at best.
Good review of modern Star Wars. I basically agree with everything you say here, the best aspects and the worst.
the thing is with the lightsabers is that all the shots have been survivable which i think is the issue. no major player has died to a lightsaber since the clone wars season 6 (villain's and random gonks don't count). and when we get a true hit its completely survivable
reva was hit in the lower stomach both times. cauterization prevented poisoning/blood lose. survivable
the grand inquisitor was stabled in the same spot as qui gon who did get a fatal hit, but guess what he got multiple organs. he got a back up. survivable
cal was barely stabbed and where he was stabed was under his lung
while Sabine like you mentioned was a survivable hit. in her case it was right below her left lung.
the only one that wasnt survivable but was is ben but you can just blame that one squarly on bad direction. jj move it down 5 inches you acidentaly made it fatal. needs to be in stomach not abdoman and keep it away from center, dont want to nic the spine
there all survivable. its been years since we actualy had a fatal hit so it lessons the impact.
Bring in Legends material and use this external galaxy premise as an opportunity to bring in the Yuuzhan vong invasion
the show isn't even halfway out but we gotta capitalize on that sweet sweet ad money so lets make a video that doesn't really say anything but stokes the flames of division in the fanbase. Nice.
Oh boy, stay away from Critical Drinker's review then. He tears the show to shreds.
@@anonymous-hz2un some people don’t even have the common courtesy to let the whole show come out. It’s not like a classic sitcom with 22 episodes a season too.
You know what "Doomcock" have leaked about Ahsoka? It's a cluster fuck
How Ashoka is getting such positive reception, I will never understand.
The fights are boring and cut to hell.
The performances are terrible and stilted.
The characters display little to no emotion.
The 'sets' are bland and uninspired, and way too 'clean'.
The script is horrible.
The character's actions are nonsensical (especially the villains).
The dialogue scenes are shot in the most boring way possible.
The editing is bizarre, especially noticeable in dialogue scenes.
The whole thing feels very fanfic/fan servicey. What with the return of Thrawn, potential return of Ezra, possible StarKiller reveal, it feels like the primary purpose was to just put these characters in a live action show, not to actually make an engaging piece of art.
Despite being high budget, it feels really, really cheap and just lowest common denominator stuff. The only way I think you can seriously enjoy it would be if you really, really loved rebels, and couldn't live in a world where these characters didn't make a live action appearance.
This is just my opinion. I absolutely loved the show but i can call out a few things that scratch my head and it makes me wonder was it Dave Filoni or was it Kathleen Kennedy and her team?
I watched rebels and clone wars, so i was knew the characters and where they all left off after their shows ended. But, in some cases these characters felt radically more boring than their animated counterparts. I still very much thought the actresses playing the rebels characters did a fine job. But Sabine wren and ahsoka were always so expressive and now they are so reserved and quiet. I know they were the same character and we got glimpses of their animated version but it was a weird change.
In addition, i have no issue with female protagonist and how Sabine wren is force sensitive. But her using the force the way she did in the finale, i dont know just felt too rushed to showcase that type of ability? I try not to be knit picky but we saw this type of issue with Rey in the sequel trilogy. Someone not trained and able to suddenly use the power like a skilled master. Maybe im being just too knit picky but there were a few things that felt like Kathleen Kennedy spearheaded some things and not Filoni.
However, i still very much loved the show and it is indeed some of the best Star Wars we got in a long time! And hoping for season 2! I need more on the mortis gods NOW!
As the blade pierces the person's body, it vaporizes a kilogram of water per second, causing steam to exit the person's wound at Mach 1. That's how hot a lightsaber is.
yet a non-force user survived...that thing bothers me
Sorry I had to pause at 6:04 to go and watch Luthen's monologue, I'll be right back.
My man knows
I love Star Wars. Ashoka is pretty cool, but it does have flaws. There were some logical inconsistencies in the show, but that didn’t stop me from watching episode 3 a good 7 times. I didn’t feel the space walk scene to be as bad as some, but I did wonder why she didn’t use her lightsabers like she did when cutting holes in floors like she has in the past. She wasn’t holding them; she extended them out beyond her arm length and used them. She could have done the same when fighting the attacking space craft.
Presumed the droid stayed back to finish her off upon return.
It’s like Disney doesn’t understand that they have the rights to Star Wars.😢
this is too much to ask but Starwars needs a Breaking bad/walking dead starwars show. if not lets get some dang good movies (Andor showed me that star wars shows can be great)
Great video, spot on!
Couldn’t agree more, very well said 👍
I have a lot of thought too. First off and this is more personal, I don’t know if rasario Dawson is the right pick for Ahsoka. I don’t think she is a dynamic enough actor to play her. As the voice she was amazing but I think she’s a bit dry.
Secondly I do like some of the more original characters. Marrok being a night brother was so cool and unlike shin and skoll.
I don’t like the cinematography Exocet the latest episode.
Just some personal takes
honestly I believe our community puts too much emphasis on dave filoni as the 'saviour of star wars'. other than reintroducing beloved characters he hasn't demonstrated the best writing ability in his tv shows. I think we can all agree Andor was sensational, whats funny is that it didnt demonstrate any of the hallmarks of filoni's style, and was much, much better off because of it. just something to think about
I was around long enough to see the dissent among Star Wars fandom even before the Disney acquisition. What was the issue? Pre-Disney, Filoni was known for appropriating materials from the expanded universe and twisting them in his own ways. And because his twisted version is in Clone Wars 2008, his versions trump other EU materials in canon. Never forget that. Filoni would have been a topic of controversy even in a hypothetical timeline where Disney didn't make the Lucasfilm acquisition.
@@aquapendulum Thanks for your insight, quite interesting aye. I guess what we're seeing now is fans being nostalgic for pre-disney star wars, even though it wasn't the best even then after the og trilogy.
yeah, the only saviour for Star Wars is if they magically create all new shows/films to the same quality as Andor. Andor is the sole reason I am still interested in Star Wars.
Even when Star Wars is dead in the ground I will be watching the two trilogies, CWs, Rebels, Rogue One, and Andor. But nothing else.
Star wars Disney is boring. They should make a Big Movie Star wars mix with alien. And genre: horror, thriller, adventure And make a insane plot. With a lot of death. Clone troppers who a deadly and not so easy to kill. And insane battle scenes with Duals, blows kick bites and so on. 🎉
Tony G said in an interview he had to shut down the idea of a space fight scene because they didn't have the budget for it. I'm guessing this is one of the many reasons why Disney trusted him 250mil. As a SW fan I'm freaking grateful we got him and his crew for 3 film. It's getting harder and harder to watch the usual stuff they're cranking out tho. Ahsoka ain't that great either I Rebels was my fav.
Oh my god, J-cuts and L-cuts. I don't study film or watch film as a hobby, so I had no idea how to articulate what I was missing until now, but watching a show or movie that doesn't know how to use these is just unbearable for me. I know it sounds petty, but despite being a big fan of TCW/Rebels in the past, anticipating the lack of these was a large part of the reason I haven't given Ahsoka a chance. (Dually, it's a not-insignificant part of why I fell in love with Andor as quickly as I did!)
18:02 it was the fall that killed Han Soli not the lightsaber 😅
han fate in tfa is only canon in a alternate universe not canon in the main timeline
Dave Filoni should helm LucasFilm, but he shouldn't direct. He should oversee everything about Star Wars, but choose visionary directors for the franchise. That way he can focus much better into making quality stories and respecting the lore.
Why is Disney stars wars so enamored with maps you ask? Well, here's the part where I make an obligatory joke/point of fact about the socio-political side of things over at disney, particularly with the hack writers and actorvists and bad execs in charge at disney right now.
What does MAPs stand for the socio-political side of things, the same socio-political side of things where disney stands at the moment?
*mike drop*
While there are a number of problems with this show, I think one of the bigger ones is that it's 'telling' rather than 'showing'. It doesn't really show us in any way why we should care for these characters. It spends 2/3rds of the season TELLING us that Thrawn is such a terribly dangerous character and what a disaster it would be if he ever returned, but when we finally get to see him he's about as exciting as your average accountant.
Another problem is the way the story is structured. In a good story, every element is like a Lego brick that - when added piece by piece - slowly uncovers a larger, interesting construction. With this show, every piece is just added in a straight line in direct succession of the previous one. They fight, get a clue, and move to new area where they fight, get a clue, and move to a new area, etc. You always know where it's going and there's really nothing to be excited about. The only story line with the tiniest bit of meat to it was with Baylan Skoll towards the end and that was only touched on very briefly.
In general, I'd say the story feels highly underdeveloped. Like Filoni just stuck with whatever idea that first came into his mind. It seems to be his writing style as that's pretty much how e.g. The Clone Wars felt as well. I guess it worked well enough for an animated show targeted at (older) kids, but here in Ahsoka it falls flat.
I think one big issue is I don't think this is going to appeal to anyone that hasn't watched Rebels, which is most people.
"oh a map?!" hahahaha
Bingo you hit the nail on the head I would say a C+ or a 7.5 some Good mixed with mostly middle of the road and some horrifically cringe worthy making yell at your tc cursing Disney again in episode 1 i would be curious to see how many viewers they lost on that
but it is SW and feels like it or as close as anyone at disney has gotten it on the edge of good SW and thats all we want them to find good they can work on great later sorry andor looked great but it just wasn't my thing it was alright to me but just felt off
for than Han Lightsaber bit the saber didn't kill him the fall did
I think the drop is bc Kenobi Broke some fans they were just done after that I know of quite a few og sw fans that had them done with it all im like hey guys but its Ahsoka they responded with Its Disney they will destroy her and i don't want to see it they are waiting till its done to see
Yes bc Andor is the ONLY Star Wars show that works .. Mando season 2 had some genuine promise but enough with the green screen enough with the bad writing enough with the inauthentic plots. The ONLY show that has a semblance of Star Wars is Andor so far unfortunately
This is so far the best take I’ve seen on ahsoka. For me it does feel rebels season 5. It’s a good show and up there for me with mando season 1&2 but not as good as andor. What I have not seen anyone mention is during mando season 3 Dave Filoni was focusing on ahsoka so I wonder if that is a big factor of why mando season 3 was so crap. I think Dave Filoni despite his flaws of being a bit too much fan service and Disney restrictions is the way forward with Star Wars.
I don't understand the obsession with lightsabers spinning at Mach 10 and clashing 24/7. There's nothing wrong with a slower approach and hell it feels even more realistic. The clip you showed from the Anakin/Obiwan flashback wasn't even slow, it was quite fast. Any faster would've looked quite goofy. Yes I like fast fighting but that's not the only style or speed. And there were also moments like in Ep. 3 where the two were doing tricks with their saber without hitting anything and it looked ridiculous.
I was really looking forward to this series. Ahsoka's arc in the animated shows is excellent. But man, this show was not good. Yes there was potential, but the writing was so horrible that all that potential was wasted. Terrible dialogue, bad pacing, action without stakes, no emotional connection outside of empty nostalgia. I mean, this is almost Book of Boba Fett bad.
Have seen rebels and clone wars and this show barely gets a 6/10