My hot take: It’s ok for franchisees to die once they’ve reached their main conclusion. Star Wars, Harry Potter, Marvel phase 4 has all been beating a dead horse to try cash in as much as possible on already established storyline / universes rather than leaving them be and building the next big franchise
Only issue I have is that marvel should be able to build up a new long form story, but it seems like they are confused with the whole part that they need to make movies that is engaging
@@ggvbayareaoakland5914But it was supposed to? It’s based on a book series and was reaching its conclusion. The point is HP should’ve probably left it at the end of deathly hallows rather than making fantastic beasts(at least as some sort of weird prequel) and to be honest the franchise would probably have been more popular for it. Not that the franchise should’ve ended once the tone shifted away from the previous films, as that’s what the books did as well.
I really thought Fantastic Beasts would be a story about a man who had been outcast from society for being different, who had resigned to the love and company of magical creatures, learning to love humans again and healing from the pain that humans have inflicted on him in the past. And, in the end, even fighting to save humankind. But nope. That story about love did not happen. No character arc for Newt at all. And it could've been such a beautiful story!
I think J K Rowling wanted to do something similar to Better Call Saul. In BCS, Saul, Kim, Chuck, Howard etc are the main focus of the show, but it also show the cartel side of things including Gus, the Salamancas, Mike, Nacho, etc in an equally well balanced way without giving them too much limelight. I think if the Fantastic Beasts franchise were a TV show, it could have done the same thing BCS did, making it way better than what we got instead.
I feel like there could have been an extremely sweet little movie about magic/muggle friendships in Fantasstic Beasts if Eddy Redmayne and Dan Fogler had just been allowed to do what they did best, and they had stuck to a tight and closed plot
I've always said, after the end of the first movie, what WB should have done was release two sides, two movie series. Newt traveling the world meeting new magical species, such as Indiana Jones, but with animals and another series of films with a tone more similar to the last Harry Potter films (Serious Tone), about Dumbledore and Grindelwald, a series of films with them as protagonists or with Newt's own brother as such, after all, the parallel between Theseus and Dumbledore would be interesting.
@@JMTgpro Agree entirely. There should have been two different series of films, merging all together made very little sense and did a lot of harm to the franchise.
I couldn't agree more. I felt quite bummed out already at the end of the first Fantastic Beasts movie. I felt the movie had so much potential at fleshing out the wizarding world with little heartwarming or allegorical vignettes tied together with magical creatures and Eddie Redmayne's boyish charm but this element got completely sidelined with the typical blockbuster requirement to end in a huge climax with explosive spectacle in confrontation with a powerful Evil Dark Wizard kind of an antagonist. And I think it would event work out financially - I mean, once you can populate your film with any kinds of cute little fantastical animals, you don't need huge explosions to do well at the box office.
@@JMTgpro exactly. They missed a golden opportunity to expand the larger universe like the MCU. Instead of just five films, they could have developed more with other writers and directors, one set of films focusing on Newt and his adventures and others the conflict between Dumbledore and Grindelwald, with Theseus and Tina acting as threads that connects them.
I've wanted to see more of Harry and Ginny's children (the next generation), and I always wondered why JKR never based her 5 film plan on the CC universe instead? I know the Cursed Child had people feeling lukewarm, but it has some solid characters, and, at the very least, it would still have some connections to the older, well-loved cast.
The reason why the Harry Potter movies were so successful to me was because each successive film matured with its audience. By the time The Deathly Hallows came out, it had some very mature themes about life and death compared to the earlier films. The films were very unique in that regard. These newer HP films I didn’t even know were related to franchise because the films have been so synonymous with youth. So seeing an adult play the main character made me think it was just another film.
I think the problem is that, It isn't following a goal based journey. If u know the goal, only then will u be surprised by twists. Every Harry Potter book follows a major goal/danger etc that is revealed from the start
Another important theme of hp was identity. Harry was discovering his family origins, and the world where he belonged. Fantastic beasts could have been about the outcasts of the magic community, the fight for animal creature rights, compassion and heart warming friendships. I always thought that placing Grindelwald on the movie was really a stretch.
@@adamwarlock8263 my keyboard is set in spanish and auto correct is a nightmare, but glad it made you feel smart. Also I am not a native english speaker. Have a nice day.
@@BenderBendingRodriguezOFFICIAL whether is a theme or not it is what gives harry a character Arc. In fantastic beasts no character seems to grow or change. Some characters don't even have motivations, or even proper lines to be fair. I guess my point Is i would have rather engaged with a few well written characters than the mess it was. At least that is my take :)
The thing that's so frustrating about the Fantastic Beasts films is that the aesthetic is on point. Wizards in early 1900s New York, long coats and hats works so well.
Kind of weird how they forgot that wizards are bad at dressing like muggles but maybe the AD 800 "Merlin" look was just the fashion in Hogwarts in the 90s.
Disagree. Wizards in the books do not know how to dress properly like muggles. Their fashion is stationed in medieval style, because that's the period when wizards went into hiding.
I completely disagree. I hate the aesthetic direction towards minimalism/glossiness with the magic and wizarding world vs say, the first movies wizarding aesthetic. It’s bland
Here's what I would have done with the franchise: - Dumbledore vs Grindelwald trilogy - Fantastic Beast standalone film - Creation of Hogwarts - Origins of Azkaban - Beedle the bard's stories animated film (each story with a different animation and told by a different actor) - TV show about the Marauders/First War - TV show about young Voldemort
@@anirudhjain2462 as i can see u r a fellow marvel fan, so u know what happens when we have non speaking beast like animals as antagonist, look at eternals...now i know eternals was more than that but ig u get my point, the movie would turn out like a biography and people would be like....nah they are just cashing out the Harry Potter IP
@@dibyanshumohanty the problem with eternals was the plot and lack of creativity. With Fantastic Beasts what I would do is make Newt a character who pushes the plot unlike in the movies released.
It's such a shame because I love the first movie of Fantastic Beasts. Out of all the Harry Potter characters, I relate to Newt the most and it's so heartwarming to see his love and passion for magizoology. I would love to see just Newt going around the world with the plots revolved around him and his struggles educating the magical world at large about how misunderstood those animals were. But nooo, we need to dive around this over-complicated plot about Grindelwald while they made Newt standing around like a useless lamppost because the plot literally has nothing to do with him
I never understood why Fantastic Beast was the direction she chose. All I have ever wanted to see was the Marauders. Loony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs at school with Snape and Lily leading into Voldemort’s first rise. Why was that not the choice?
Absolutely! I wasn't even a marauders girl, but that time period is saturated in juicy character history and back up stories to the trio's school years. I equally crave it and hope they never do it (bc Rowling and generally no studio is capable of doing a good job now)
@@Lilithlyexcept that they accepted Moony, a werewolf, who was rejected by the rest of the wizarding world. I don’t think Snape’s memory is an adequate way to assess who they were. Rowling really was a bit convoluted in their treatment.
Because James and his friends were bullies and criminals lol Would've been hard for audiences to root for them with James and Sirius "hexing people just for the fun of it" since their first year.
@@user-ks5cg5cd7m We have Snape's memories for reference, which he was hiding and so weren't tampered with like Slughorn's were, so we can be assured that they were accurate to what happened. On top of that, both Sirius and Lupin maintained that James kept bullying Snape behind Lily's back, and that before that James "hexed people just for the fun of it"; hexes are dark magic that usually causes pain and disfigurement and are one step above curses (charms < jinxes < hexes < curses)
I really wish we could let franchises go once they've run their course and wrapped up their story. I know a lot of people still enjoy the franchise, but I think a big part of that is that there's not much replacing it. I'm grateful I was able to experience the Harry Potter books/movies as a kid, and I'm sad that the current generation of kids don't have a "legacy series" of their own, just their parents and grandparents moldy old stories repackaged over and over and over again. Like thrice reheated pizza.
Most of the stories I grew up on were rehashed fairy tales, legends or victorian children’s stories. That’s just how it works. Big hit new children’s/young adults stories with a long and lasting legacy don’t come along all that often, and they can’t be brute forced into existence. Just count yourself lucky to have live through one. The likelihood is that the HP books will still be being read to children when we are all long gone.
Its dead because HP revolved around a set of 7 books that people held dear in their hearts. Remember how insane the book releases got? I remember getting GoF and OotP and the queues were mental. People seem to forget this. You didnt touch this early on in the video when you should have, harry potter was becoming a thing well before the first film came out. Once those books were finished on screen, so was the franchise.
I agree. The Harry Potter series was about teenage Harry and his two friends having adventures in a magical school. Everything else was backstory. It was just there to give the main story an impression of depth. No one cares about Newt Scamander and his girlfriend, or Dumbledore and his fascist lover, or Voldemort’s completely unlikely daughter. I suspect JKR would have been fine with letting the story be over. She wrote her masterpiece, and has more money than she can ever spend. But the movie studio cannot let the cash cow die.
I think JK really regrets ending the HP series so definitively. She didn't really leave any room for sequels, she just cut to years later to show that everyone is great and lived happily ever after. Now she wants to make more but there's no room to because things ended so clearly.
The first fantastic beasts and where to find them movie is actually really entertaining and stands on its own legs perfectly fine. Honestly, the two sequels have left a sour taste, but the first one, i can actually rewatch and have a great time every time i do so.
Exactly. The first fantastic beasts movie is a decent spin-off/prequel/addon to the HP universe, that is fun, and shows us more about the wizard world. Then the second and third movies came and shit the bed, making the main character into a super important one for.. no reason other than ''he was in NYC during the thing''.
The first movie is fine if you turn your brain off and ignore that none of the characters actually developed at all, the plotline doesn't make much sense, and most of the friendly characters barely interact with each other at all even though the movie pretends they have some deep bond and wants you to feel bad when they get separated - these people have known each other for 8 hours total. They're acquaintances at best.
I think fantastic could have been a series, following him around while he documents the creatures. Then maybe do a sequel movie when the tackle the big bad and do the Dumbledore story
The first one was average. I think David Yates dropped the ball. It should have been bright and colorful like Philosopher's Stone. I don't know why they shot so many scenes in night time. The movie would have been 10 times greater if the vibe was sunny, warm, island or nature vibe. The American Wizarding World was boring.
What I thought was so strange about the fantastic beast is the fact that no one asked for it. I remember when I was a teenager going online to read fanfictions and there was thousands of them. The storie about the Marauders, the next generation or the origin of Voldemort were among the most common themes. The studio producers didn't even needed to guess which stories the people wanted to be created next, they litteraly could have gone on google to find out
Deathy Hallows Part 1 is actually my favorite of all the movies. The whole tempo is just great and the time for the character developement hardly needed before the final film. The dancing scene gets me every time. I'm very glad that they split the last movie.
@@movieoverload Yeah, this movie has so many great scenes of the franchise in my opinion. The beginning with the deaths of MadEye Moody and Hedwig. The wedding attack. How Hermione started crying about losing Ron. The dance scene. The animation of the story from Beedle the Bard. Dobby's death. Man, I love that movie! 🥰
I think they just couldn't choose what they wanted to focus on and too much was happening at once. I think the Fantastic Beasts movies should have been 2 separate series. Fantastic Beasts with Newt going to different countries and going on adventures finding the beasts. And then a different series with the first wizarding world, Dumbledore and Grindelwald. I never understood why they bothered with it being called Fantastic Beasts when that was totally put on the back burner. They could have been cool stories on their own.
The reason why everyone had long hair on the goblet of fire was because of the new director. Previous films, the cast was told to not cut their hair, so it can be done first day on set. The New Director didn't know this but liked the look. So he had the cast keep their hair the way it was when they showed up. Apparently, Rupert Grint was not thrilled about this 😅
From what I've heard regarding everybody suddenly having long hair in Goblet of Fire. Apperently the actors were asked to not cut their hair between the movies, so that the staff on set could do it instead when the filming was about to begin. However, due to some misscommunication before making this movie, people were under the impression that that hairstyle was what everybody was suppose to have, so no one did anything about it.
I’m sure I read somewhere that either Daniel Radcliffe or Rupert Grint said yes they were told to grow their hair after finishing film 3 so the filmmakers could decide how to cut and style it at the start of filming Goblet of Fire. So they all showed up for pre-production with long hair, at which point the director decided he liked the look, so they kept it as that.
This was also the era on Disney channel where all the boys had that ugly helmet hair with curtain bangs. It was a gross time for style…. The mid 2000’s were weird
I do think that it was very much the books that created the hype around the wizarding world, the movies "just" expanded on it. While Rowling wasn't writing high literature, she was excellent at world building. I regularly found myself returning to the books for the fillers, the descriptions of life at Hogwarts, small details that made everything come to life. The problem is: she seems to have forgotten that the world building was what made the series work. If you take that away, what you're left with is a pretty standard good vs. evil tale. Nothing terrible, but nothing special either. Fantastic beasts could have worked if they had allowed comfort and wonder to be priorities instead of mindless action. Let's be honest, the world is going to shit and signs of that were there long before the first Fantastic Beasts movie was released. People are desperate for distraction and there is a reason why, for example, Ghibli movies got so much attention during lockdown. Not everything has to have a big plot, sometimes it's enough if it makes you happy. They struck gold with Eddie Redmayne, he could have easily carried a miniseries where Newt focuses on a different Beast every episode. It could have been charming, whimsical and expanded on the Harry Potter lore. Instead we got the action of the last Harry Potter movies without the lead-up. You don't feel for the characters, because you don't know them, you don't care for the world, because it's already chaos, and you don't care how it ends, because, guess what, Harry Potter comes after it, so you kinda already know. The only good things about the Fantastic Beasts films were Eddie Redmayne and Mads Mikkelsen, but sadly they just weren't given enough to work with to actually save the series.
"While Rowling wasn't writing high literature, she was excellent at world building." JK Rowling? Excellent at world building? Man, her entire IP was standing on Hogward. That's like the only thing about Harry Potter: the school with the teenager in the cool colored coded house that sort you according to your personnality. The rest of the wizarding world is incredibly weak and underdevelopped.
@@johnwotek3816 Hogwarts isn't all of it, but it's the most of it, agreed. And that was enough to inspire people to the point where adults still put their house in their dating app bio and wish for their Hogwarts letter of acceptance I'm not saying she's a genius, but credit where credit is due
It's Star Wars with shitty lightsabers. And I'm not saying that as a hater. I do love the Wizarding world. But like you mentioned, if you take the world building out of it, it's your classic good vs evil story. And a lot of it, is incredibly similar to Star Wars. Or at least the first trilogy of it.
Crimes of Grindelwald has one of THE worst writing in entire film history. It’s really incredible. The out of nowhere reveal about the baby switch, then the even more out of nowhere reveal that that switched out baby was actually drowned in the sea… Hooooo my goooooood
I think your idea of filler is different than what a lot of people think filler is and why people hate it. Coming from anime, filler refers to things that weren't in the original manga or light novel an anime is based on, and is almost always of a significantly lower quality. It's this filler that people don't like, not a distinction between action and non-action.
but plot twist: Draco’s daughter is the protagonist, she’s best friends with one of hermione and Ron’s kids (hilarious) and Albus Severus Potter is the villain because his father named him fucking Albus Severus
@@maree4435 Draco has a son named Scorpious and he is best friends with Harry’s second son Albus in the cursed child. While I dislike the Cursed Child for many reasons, I can see it getting adapted to a tv show later on down the line
@@nicholasscales4446 thanks for the info, it’s been awhile! the dynamic would be really cool to see regardless. And I agree, it would have been a much better adaptation than whatever Fantastic Beasts was
I didn’t watch fantastic beasts because it’s not hogwarts. The reason Harry Potter caught my eye was because we watched a boy in a bad home who experienced a new world. I was in awe when I saw the castle.
Having J.K. Rowling as the screenwriter of the Fantastic Beasts movie in a billion dollar franchise was the biggest and most tragic mistake that this franchise has ever have. Can't believe they hire her who have no experience in screenwriting to write the damn script
I wouldn’t be surprised if her mindset was “if EL James could do it, so can I.” I can’t say I fault the logic, but after 50 Shades, Hollywood should’ve known better.
Ya know what I’ve always wanted for the Harry Potter universe. I’ve always felt like the wizarding could pull off an awesome horror movie. Like have students from different explore a forgotten place with dark magic only for it to go horribly wrong. The wizarding world should some horror movies thrown in.
there's plenty of places to explore in that regards. anything regarding herpo the foul, the creation of dementors and the original owner of azkaban ekrizdis, Voldemort's school years especially the year the chamber of secrets was opened, the quintaped backstory, any of these things could probably make for some great horror potential, I mean that last one literally ends with a whole family being eaten by the monsters they cursed another family into.
The only thing I didn’t like about the conclusion of the HP series is the fact that Voldemort basically disintegrates. I think it would have been better for there to have been a body to show that despite everything he did and how scary he was, he was still only human. Not to mention the fact that the last time he just vanished like that he ended up still being alive. I wouldn’t trust it if I didn’t know better
In the book he does die like a normal person leaving a dead body behind, although in a kinda convoluted way, so I guess the writers for the movie said "fuck it, it's easier if he just disintegrates".
If you look at it the other way around, it make sense there as well. Like, after everything, every atrocities Voldemort has done and the abomination he has become, he is far from being a human but not in a good way like he was some sort of a angel. He doesn't deserve a peaceful human death and proper burial, he was a nightmare or darkness that just disappeared and then the sun rose.
@@stephenblack5425 idk man I think the general idea of leaving a body behind is precisely that after all, he's still just a mortal who couldn't face death with dignity. Plus like op mentioned people need to see a body for their peace of mind lol.
A lighthearted mini-series about Newt and Jacob travelling and exploring different cultures and traditions around the world and their magical beasts sounds amazing. I think they've struck gold with Newt, he was an incredibly interesting protagonist and I loved his charming quirky weirdness, and from what I've heard, other people loved him too. It's such a shame that he simply didn't have a place in the Dumbledore/Grindelwald plotline, and we most definitely won't see more of him.The only moments I personally considered engaging in the latter 2 movies were of Newt interacting with his beasts or the nostalgic callbacks to Hogwarts. Rowling is no doubt a problematic and controversial figure, and I hope that if there are to be any other HP projects in the future, she realises the impact of her shortcomings, but who knows, she wasn't able to do so even after all this time and only seems to grow more arrogant.
That mini series sounds so good. I really loved Newt in the first movie, so it was a huge shame that the plot of the last two movies had nothing to do with him.
@@mechanomics2649 yeah I wouldn't trust her with any new project at this point.. the world of Harry Potter has grown beyond what Rowling has to offer and it's really sad to see as she goes out of her way to butcher the story we all adored as kids.
She said nothing wrong. Women need safe spaces exlusively for biological women. Because the self identification is an invitation to abuse it. I am scared of men, I don't want a person who claims to be a woman but has a penis in my Women Only gym. Why are teanswomen so obsessed with invading our spaces and freak out when we don't want them there? Their rights are not above our rights.
I was waiting for you to mention how amazing that fight between Voldemort and Dumbledore in Order of the phoenix was integral as it was the 1st real showcase of how powerful wizard fights can be visually represented well on screen :)
Watching those old scenes, something remember I like about the character Harry is that he has long bangs. As in, he doesn't show off his scar. It's a subtle visual nod to the fact that he perhaps feels a tad insecure or embarrassed about his fame. Intentional or not, I like that it's there.
Focus was the biggest flaw of the Fantastic Beasts franchise. The reason why Harry Potter is so beloved is because we got to see the Wizarding world through Harry's eyes and see his relationships and friendships grow. With Newt, we got one film and he was quickly discarded soon after for the legacy characters. All Fantastic Beasts benefitted was Newt finding new beasts and exploring the untouched areas of the Wizarding world. Like I can imagine him interacting with the Centaurs to the mermaids to see if a creature exists.
It would have been relatively easy to work the theme of "love" into the Fantastic Beasts movies; If Rowling had actually had the spine to do something with the alleged Dumbledore/Grindelwald relationship.
She doesn't have the balls. She'll happily blame librarians in the UK and other such nonescence while disregarding the fact that such behaviour from the libraries is illegal in the UK. She'll blame anyone except herself
@@c.w.8200more likely because no one gave a crap about their romance to begin with. The two of them didn't even belong in the fantastic beasts movies.
i would have loved a movie just about Newt and his quest on finding rare animals a home and the zoology in general. mix in some evil hunter or whatever and the first movie would have been a lot better already in my opinion
The4thSnake did a video about the Wasted Plotential of the Fantastic Beasts Franchise, where his proposed fix was keeping the first film the same, having Crimes of Grindelwald be just about him and Dumbledore's relationship and their epic duel, then the 3rd film would be Quidditch through the Ages, essentially making the Wizarding World storyline an Anthology series.
They should have taken us back to the life of Harry Potters parents at Hogwarts, all that drama between snape and lilly , taken us back to Tom Riddle times and ended it with showing us how riddle killed Harrys parents
I miss filler episodes. Buffy had so many filler episodes yet those are some of my favorites. The time spent watching well over 100 episodes made those characters SO endearing. By the time you finish season seven, they are your friends.
I dont think the franchise is dead. the success of Hogward Legacy clearly show that there are still people who love Harry Potter. the only problem is that JK seem to no longer realized the reason why people love it in the first place. I dont think she will ever become broke. Hogward Legacy, Universal Studio, and every merchandise from Harry Potter will always keep her rich. but I dont think we can expect any more great story coming from JK. she simply caught lightning in the bottle, and can not re create the miracle a second time. let hope many others creative mind will be able to get the right to expand the franchise in her stead.
"The first movie didn't age well" My dude, are you kidding me? It's easily one of the best aged movies maybe ever. It has potential to forever be considered a classic for children, for how innocent and earnest it was, even quirky. I marathoned the series again not 2 months ago and was appalled by how well it was executed.
The only thing I can nitpick about the movie is the fact that Harry didn’t cast a single spell the entire movie… and hermione called him a “great wizard” 😂
You mentioned the reveal of Hogwarts shot. That scene probably has the most interesting story out of any shot from any Harry Potter movie: When Columbus and his editor Richard Francis-Bruce, were trying to find ways to shorten the movie a little and part of that included trying to shorten that scene. John Williams, in all his wisdom, will always take a rough cut over a Final Cut. He went away, worked on the music, and when it came time for the scoring sessions, he pulled a rabbit out of his hat and made a scene that, without music, isn’t interesting and made it interesting. Chris and Richard turned to each other and basically said “Screw trying to shorten this part of the movie, that is staying in the movie unedited.” It’s one of a multitude of reasons why I’m thankful that John Williams was the first composer to work on the series. When any Harry Potter fan thinks about the music, you can always think about the stupendous work done by Patrick Doyle, Nicholas Hooper and Alexandre Desplat, who did phenomenal jobs in helping finish the story, musically, but it’s John music, especially the central leitmotif “Hedwig’s Theme”, that we all identify with as being the identifying music of Harry Potter.
Kloves did write 7 of the 8 movies, bowing out of OOTP and Michael Goldenberg, who was considered to be screenwriter before Kloves was chosen, stepped in and wrote the script.
I will defend these two things from all three Fantastic Beasts movies till the day I die: I do love Jude Law as Dumbledore and James Newton Howard’s music.
To this day I am so confused to why they didn't choose marauderers as the spinoff, in the fandom itself, they are just as popular and the original trio reallyy.
Because the Marauders are bullies, and don’t make good heroes if you look at them closely. The hero of that generation is Snape, but he is a tragic hero, who fell into darkness and had to fight his way back out. That sort of story is no fun for kids.
Because these films are supposed to be light family films, the marauders were Snapes bullies, that was a big part of Sirius and James childhood at Hogwarts.
@@janach1305 gonna have to disagree, Snape was a bully towards children. If someone bullies you when you’re a kid, you don’t join terrorists, kill a bunch of people, develop an unhealthy obsession with a woman, cause her death and then hate their child. Yeah a real hero 😂
@@olivej445 I knew someone would bring this up. Certainly, anyone who does anything less than perfect as an adult deserves to be punished retroactively as a child. 🙄
The Fantastic Beasts concept was so good. It would have been a great adventure seeing Newt save magical creatures around the world, maybe teaming up with various professors from the other Wizarding schools in order to start an official “Magizoology” field. The entire plot of Gindelwald vs Dumbledore could have just been a subplot that gets expanded upon in a later but altogether separate films. Perhaps in order to tie them together a plot about how Wizarding poachers are collecting magical beast resources in order to prepare for the global Wizarding war.
Thank you so much for saying that the main core of Harry Potter is love. It's been so frustrating over the years seeing people think that the key to the HP franchise's success was just being a stale story about magic and wizards and Harry being a blank self-insert character in the books. This video is the first time I've seen a youtuber understand why I at least fell in love with the series as a child. I've stopped being invested in the franchise after cursed child came out and I do agree with the criticism people have had of the books since then. I also don't agree with many of the statements JKR has made about the original books and about other creators online, nor do I agree with whatever fucking direction she wanted to take fantastic beasts in. However, I also find it disingenuous when people make long videos on the original series of books or movies and completely ignore how love and friendship had always been the core that made fans so invested in the series and books. This next part is more of a guess on my part because I have little idea on what's going on with Hogwarts Legacy. Had the fandom not fallen in love with the characters who viewed Hogwarts as their home, I severely doubt we would have grown to be so attached to Hogwarts ourselves. Personally, I think one of the reasons Hogwarts Legacy sold so well is because of how dear Hogwarts was to the fandom. It was a place they spent years with and a place many children who are now adults wanted to go to for so many years. It's almost like a promise had finally been fulfilled after years of waiting. Edit: I really don't think the franchise can be "saved" if the OG trio came back and I don't really want them to after reading about the horrible time Daniel Radcliffe had filming The Half-Blood Prince. The series imo is over. JKR had her chance to show that she could expand the lore of the wizarding world with the FB movies and she failed spectacularly to make most people interested.
The hair was long in "Goblet of Fire" because the actors were told not to cut it before filming for the hair stylists. When the director saw them after they got back from holiday, he said not to change a thing. This forced them to keep their hair long for the rest of the movie.
Man, magic duels could be so complex and interesting, Transfigurations, Incantantions, etc, and instead is two people staring at each other intensively while saying abstolutely nothing.
This is the reason the internet feels this way about filler. Anime actually ADDS filler that the original creator didn't make because they caught up to the source material and needed to buy some time. That is the worst kind of filler. Downtime that the source material intended to give breathing room is the actually good kind of filler the video creator was thinking of.
I was going to make this exact comment. Not even just anime. Filler is bad bc it's NETWORKS padding out episodes when TV revolved around weekly releases all year. Most anime and non anime simply run far too long.
The whole irony is that usually action is filler, just worse than what people think of as filler, which is something that actually tells us something about the plot and characters. Watch the Battle of the Five Armies to know what I mean. Or actually, don't watch it, since it is horrible movie. And yes, there is a difference between adding content just in between because you run out of source material and just adding more... source material in between. The hobbit is the example of former. But LOTR extended edition just has more of the book, and it is good
To be fair though, if we get stories of Newt travelling around the world searching for Beasts, that means JK Rowling has to *write* world building on those places he visits as well, and her world building on places other than Britain is... Questionable. At best. Just look at the name she gives Japan's magic school. If they do that, JK will need a team of researchers with her to help not make those places an absolute caricature and cause people to start raising pitchforks for representing their locations badly.
honestly it probably wouldn't have been that interesting. Just a bigoted bully getting progressively meaner and meaner and more manipulative and controlling and having a gang of bullies around him for seven years. there's nothing redeeming or interesting about seeing a bully become an all-powerful monster who murders people. There are so many side stories for HP that would be interesting but this one ain't it hahah
The tried this in the Star Wars universe with the prequels, the story of Anakin. The results are mixed at best. Hard to center your series around a protagonist who gets progressively more evil.
I like Harry Potter but it doesn't have a depth you can revisit again throughout your life and gain a deeper appreciation for. You could make the argument it was a children's book but Star Wars was for children too. It's like comparing Axe Body Spray to fancy cologne. It smells good at first but quickly just wears off and doesn't mix with your body chemistry like fancy cologne.
Maybe J. K. Rowling wasn't confident about writing a world tour of what Fantastic Beast would have been had Newt travel around the world encountering new beast for his book but also solving the mystery in each place he visited. We would have gotten a bigger view of the Harry Potter world IMO.
I think, somewhere along the way including the original series, the wizarding world aesthetic changed as well. I miss the kooky wizarding world fashion etc that’s more prominent in the books and first couple of movies. The FB franchise just looses it completely, through the muggle clothing, even the world it’s set in. I think that looses the magic of the established Wizarding World. There are times throughout the FB franchise where they could have gone full wizarding world aesthetic, as they’re not in muggle presence. Like when they’re in the speak easy in the first movie. Costuming is a big part of the visual side of world building, and I think that’s part of what’s wrong with the FB franchise, personally.
Can we just take notice of the fact he said "it marked a true shift in how dark the franchise was going to become, and expanded on the shift of how dark the franchise was getting" so he just said the same thing twice but rephrased it
I feel like Fantastic Beast should've been primarily about the Fantastic Beast themselves. If I were to rewrite it I would make it an exploration of the various magical creatures in the Harry Potter universe. Maybe the villains would be Muggle poachers who got their hands on Magic infused weapons given to them by a rouge wizard.
I actually kind of liked the first fantastic beasts film it was a cool new story set in a universe that we were already familiar with then when the crimes of grindelwald came out I knew where they were going it wasn’t gonna be about newt or fantastic beasts just a prequel about Dumbledore and grindelwald that sets up the original series
The thing that always bothered me most about Harry Potter was that it had all those great ideas and things that haven't been there before but it was rarely explained properly how those things came into existence or how they work. In the original HP series, there was a ton of stuff that could've been explored in spin off films or books. There are so many things I was interested in, like what different spells exist, how do you "invent" a new spell. In the books we learn about very few spells but we literally have a library with hundreds of magic books. Then there are topics like, how was Hogwarts created, how did creatures like dementors come into existence (we have some info about that now, but still), what do wizard societies abroad look like, what kinds of different magic exists etc. So there is a lot. Even background stories for a lot of the characters would be interesting. So when the "fantastic beasts" was announced I was excited because I found that this was actually an interesting aspect and it had a lot of potential but as it was said, in the end it was barely about the beasts anymore and just once again devolved into the classic good vs evil trope.
The more I think about it the sadder it makes me. Could you guys imagine an actual proper series of films with Mads as Grindelwald and Jude Law as Dumbledore? They’re both incredible actors, and there are so many incredible screenwriters out there who could’ve made this a drastic improvement upon the Harry Potter films
The FIRST Fantastic Beasts movie was good. I really liked Newt Scemander, it was nice to see a Hollywood movie that doesn't have a stereotypically "masculine" man. It was a good spin-off movie, and they shouldn't have made a sequel... especially because the sequel wasn't even ABOUT Fantastic Beasts, it was about Dumbledore.
Gamers are the dumbest fan base; I say this as a hardcore gamer myself. There's a reason why microtransactions, loot boxes, games as a service, unfinished bug-ridden games flourish in the industry. If Samsung released a bug-ridden phone where you can't access your Contacts, nobody would buy it, and the company would stop making it. But in gaming, garbage games keep making HUGE profits.
@@zema9401 True, political action will. Which are both being carried on by said author and the director of the developing studio. It seems to be working tho', have you seen the sheer amount of prohibitive laws being proposed this year?
I would LOVED to have seen a trio of single biopic style films on the marauders, Snape and the first wizarding war. Fantastic beasts could have been a fun spin of as a singular film if it had a PLOT like you said.
Just some fun trivia: apparently, the harry potter actors just let their hair grow between movies, so that the people doing the costumes and all had something to work with. Usually, they'd get cut down significantly, but Mike Newell, the director of goblet of fire, just went "yeah thats great, we'll keep it that way." Thats why everyone has long hair.
At this moment they should just reboot Harry Potter into a tv series and explore the unexplored..and perhaps do a better Ginny Harry relationship and give Ron the required screentime and dialogues that made him so likeable in the books
Harry Potter isn’t dead on the big screen, the new movies are just terrible films. If Hogwarts Legacy is any indication, if they released a solid movie in the HP universe it would make soooo much money.
13:27 “filler is not a bad thing” - so true to me! That’s why these days I much more enjoy slice of life k-dramas and animes because they spend a lot of time with fillers to enhance character development and story immersion 😊
Filler is a bad thing, but I think both of you are confusing filler for build-up. Filler is useless screen time during which nothing relevant happens, while build-up is a point of low-emotion used to empower high-emotion scenes later on.
Filler is definitely bad in movies specifically. Movies should have a good story arc and be able to be good as standalone products, I do not want to watch 2 hours of filler just to make me "more excited" for the actual story i wanted to watch. Every scene matters, every line of dialogue should lead to something, Movies are not books
Plot holes, very useful spells that disappeared from Fantastic Beasts to Harry Potter, every wizard or witch dressed as muggle (Dumbledore is a banker now) when in reality wizards haven't the slighest idea how a muggle dresses, Newt and Tina that act like a teen would do, when they're more than 30. Dulbledore that knows about The Room Of Requirements when in reality he discovered it only in 1994 during The Goblet Of Fire. Fawkes is the "HP bar" of Credence's remaining life but during The Hald Blood Prince, he did absolutely nothing with Dumbledore. Dumbledore and Grindelwad did a blood pact so neither of them can attack the other, but somehow they managed to do it, resulting in Ariana death.
This is not just exclusive to Harry Potter. When it comes to the success of major franchises, the most important thing found are characters and their relationships and themes. Then the world building comes second. It's how Harry Potter or ATLA have become timeless because the themes within those characters being so strong will forever be relevant.
Honestly as smn on neurodivergent spectrum Newt is such a important character for me I know many people with autism, adhd etc who feels the same way about him. The problem is Fantastic beasts and where to find them wasn’t the smartest movie but it worked but than they tried to make out of it another Harry Potter thing and that’s were it flopped. Newt (and animals) is Fantastic, the rest of the series isn’t
I think the difference between getting the original writer to write the screen play is you get 100%(and sometimes more) of 10% of the story. When someone who writes screenplays writes the screenplay you get 10% of 100% of the story. The writer wants to tell the whole story but may not have the skills necessary to distill the important parts only to fit the story into a film
@@vdiitd Sometimes it’s better to just leave things mysterious. Dumbledore’s character was done greatly in the films. It’s like Yoda. He was already cool enough in the Original Trilogy but then The Prequels made the stupid decision to give him a Lightsaber and have him do all those dumb flips.
IMO the Fantastic Beasts movie should've been a single movie in the style of a Steve Irwin "Crocodile Hunter" episode with a competent animal wrangler documenting the different magical creatures he comes across. That or a mini-series in a comedic "wizard mockumentary" style with a pretty competent but bumbling zoologist guiding a documentary team through his (not always safe) encounters with different magical creatures. Very light and humerous.
we just forgive the harry potter stories so much, because when we read the books in an age where we all waited for this hogwarts letter and there was no smartphones or internet to make us realise how bland of a character harry and voldemort are. and we dont want to even start about the massive plotholes that appear because Rowling makes up things she needs to progress the story without checking if it would conflict with anything in the past books. Fantastic beasts is a standalone and cant cash in on broken childhood dream nostalgia and people see it what it is. i was always as old as harry in the books and i lived in the magic world through his eyes, even with a flawed story. and thats how harry potter worked in the first place im not hating harry potter, but even as a kid i pointed out much nonesense in the books to my friends.
If you wanna look at Fantastic Beasts as a failure that’s fine, but to even suggest that the Harry Potter Franchise has “dwindled away” is so far off the mark, the franchise has only gotten stronger in the last decade and even inspite of controversy and the recent sales of Hogwarts Legacy proves that; it isn’t just; “doing well” it’s one of the highest grossing games in recent years and that’s just within 4 weeks of being released! And I was in Universal Studios a couple of weeks ago during one of the quietest parts of the year and the Harry Potter world sections were by far the busiest parts of the park. You can say the fanfare has died down, but just because you say something doesn’t mean its true and that could not be further from the truth.
Ngl i liked that they split deathly hallows in two since it would feel rushed if all of it was forced into one movie and it helps the battle of hogwarts to be longer and better. In the book it was kinda short and underwhelming so i was glad the movie made it longer and added more to it
I just wished to see the life and lies of Albus Dumbledore: 1st movie- He meets Grindelwald and the two fall apart 2nd movie- Grindelwald's reign of terror with Dumbledore setting up a crew to try and stop him indirectly 3rd movie- Grindelwald becomes too strong and kills so many that Dumbledore goes on a hunt for him. Is that too much to ask?
I believe there is some easy fixes that could’ve saved the fantastic beast series. 1. Have only the first film feature newt as the central protagonist and carry the fantastic beast name and have credence actually die in the end. 2. Have the second fully focus on Grindelwald as the main character. Actually show us his history and why he’s so notorious. 3. Have the third focus on Dumbledore and Grindelwald and their shared history. Get rid of the unbreakable vow because that was just silly and make it that instead Dumbledore simply can’t will himself to go against GG as an internal conflict is far more interesting than a literal spell preventing him. 4. The final films have these characters all reconvene and take down Grindelwald. Perhaps Newt and his friends use his unconventional methods and employ his beasts to disrupt Grindelwalds followers while Dumbledore takes down GG in the epic duel we’ve all heard about. 5. Possibly the most important of all, JK Rowling only works in the same advisory role as she did in the Harry Potter films.
7 prt one is the best movie in the series in my opinion. The atmosphere of hopelessness and despair, and having to persevere. through that is so good. Very post apocalyptic vibe.
Honestly the only one out of the 8 movies I genuinely disliked was Half Blood Prince. Only good part of the movie was Tom's flashbacks and Dumbeldore's team up with Harry
@@uhuhuh1966 Agree, they prioritized twilight romance over storytelling. This was a problem in Goblet of fire too but it was generally a much better film than HBP
Small side note. Universal parks with the help from J.K. nailed the harry Potter part of the park. You can also feel the love for the Potter franchise more than any other part of the park.
Ultimately, if Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them had stuck to its original premise - gallavanting around with creative, interesting creatures and a quirky protagonist - I think it would have succeeded. It would never have become the juggernaut that the original Harry Poster series of films were, but it would have gone into such a tremendous tailspin either. And Rowling is absolutely to blame for that. She didn't have faith in the concept or in the protagonist, so she dragged familiar faces and concepts that worked in Harry Potter into it and created a huge mess. Now I hate to burst your bubble, and I'm sure I'll be crucified for this, but I think you sing the praises of Rowling's writing far more than it deserves. She had some good things going in the original Harry Potter novels - for instance, Snape is a complex, well-written antagonist/anti-villain and worth celebrating. There's a sense of wonder and texture in the early books especially that's hard to match. But when you get under that shiny veneer, there's not a whole lot of substance. It's wish-fulfillment. The books exist to let you fantasize about getting whisked away from boring homework, chores, and bullies to instead get to cast spells and eat delicious dinners and go on adventures. And it accomplishes that rather well... for the most part. However, once you start to really think about a lot of the choices Joanne made with the Wizarding World, cracks quickly start to show. The magic system is a cobbled-together mess of faux Latin and swinging sticks around to warp reality to one's own will. Even though wizards disparage Muggles so much, the books never really grapple with how shitty that is or how so much of what magic does can be matched - or even excelled - through science and industry. Then, there's the house elves situation. Joanne seriously sat down, cracked her fingers, and with a self-satisfied cock of her eyebrow, she wrote a fantasy race that exists to be enslaved and actually love it so much it would be cruel to emancipate them. And when Hermione campaigns for house elves to be freed, while it's initially lauded as a good thing, she's soon ridiculed for it and the point is dropped. Don't sit there and tell me Harry Potter isn't political when Joanne tried to wrestle with the problem of slavery (a problem she is woefully unequipped to wrestle with in the first place) and only dropped it when it was apparent she couldn't handle it. Joanne's writing for Hermione is kind of a mess in general the further out you go. She's not awful in the original series of books, but once you get beyond them, it's not pretty. The way you left out The Cursed Child in this broader discussion is really conspicuous in that regard. I'm not going to get into the other failures Joanne had post-Harry Potter - like the novels she published under a pseudonym out of the arrogant presumption that she's such a fantastic writer that she doesn't even need to put her name on a book for it to sell - but the way Hermione is written alone is just pathetic even in the sea of sludge that is The Cursed Child. Joanne's idea of a strong, competent, career-minded female character is a woman who falls apart if she doesn't have her husband around. When they change the past so Hermione and Ron didn't get married, the future is changed so Hermione no longer has her position at the Ministry of Magic - implying that she's only successful because of her man. Which is really interesting, coming from someone who loves to crow about what a progressive, enlightened feminist she is. Joanne loves to just stroke her ego as she talks about her ardent belief that trans women like yours truly are just delusional criminals who live to prey on cis women and will do anything to that end. The fact of the matter is that Joanne is an egotistical, self-righteous, and absolutely vacuous woman who got lucky because she created the first real YA novel and got in early when there was no competition. If she had to write Harry Potter at the same time as the likes of The Hunger Games or the Percy Jackson series, she would not be able to hack it. She's a walking ego who feels the need to constantly lord her very existence over all the peons she sees as subservient to her because she wrote some books that got popular 20 years ago and has been riding that high ever since. Joanne isn't a feminist, she's a parasite who latches onto anything trendy and will bleed it dry just to feed her ego and her bank account for one more year, no matter who gets hurt by it. Because you know what? The random trans person on Twitter or on TH-cam has very little recourse against someone with the wealth and cultural clout Joanne does. She can Tweet out some lies about what she thinks transgender people are like, and millions will see it, and at least a thousand will probably believe it for no other reason than because she says it. If you're just some random trans person who doesn't want to be seen as a monster just because Little Miss Wizarding World wanted to sound off about something she doesn't understand and get some attention, then you pretty much just have to either sit there and take it or find whatever ways you can to undermine her. Otherwise, as a trans person, you just need to let the gaping emptiness of Joanne's mind and mouth spew lies about you and people like you for nothing but her own self-benefit. So yeah, maybe we need to stop couching every criticism of Harry Potter in reassurances about what a "great writer" Joanne is. Maybe we can start calling a spade a spade and admit to ourselves that she's a stupid hack who got lucky, and people who still treat her early books like they're the Bible just can't admit that maybe the very first novels they got into as a kid or teenager weren't as good as they thought they were. And maybe we can even consider the possibility that bad people and, in fact, bad writers can stumble into an idea that's so fetching that even their own unfathomable incompetence can't fuck it up so badly that people won't like it. The Wizarding World is a great idea in spite of Joanne, not because of her. p.s.: Whatever you do, don't think about the fact that Joanne justifies her transphobia by saying she wants to protect women from sexual assault... after the books heavily imply that the herd of centaurs who dragged off Dolores Umbridge assaulted her in the woods. Joanne's fine with using it as a punishment for a woman the reader isn't supposed to like, but when the possibility of it happening is something she can wield against easy targets for her to abuse in order to try to gain clout, *now* she's the one fighting to protect women from it.
That little rant about fillers... clearly you need to see shows where these fillers literally advance or develop nothing. You could cut them out entirely and not lose one bit.
My hot take: It’s ok for franchisees to die once they’ve reached their main conclusion. Star Wars, Harry Potter, Marvel phase 4 has all been beating a dead horse to try cash in as much as possible on already established storyline / universes rather than leaving them be and building the next big franchise
So true, I got tired of the marvel universe around civil war .. then around the 6th Harry Potter movie It got really dark and lost its flare...
not a hot take tbh
Only issue I have is that marvel should be able to build up a new long form story, but it seems like they are confused with the whole part that they need to make movies that is engaging
At least we sometimes get good stuff out of it, like Andor, Loki, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, etc.
@@ggvbayareaoakland5914But it was supposed to? It’s based on a book series and was reaching its conclusion. The point is HP should’ve probably left it at the end of deathly hallows rather than making fantastic beasts(at least as some sort of weird prequel) and to be honest the franchise would probably have been more popular for it. Not that the franchise should’ve ended once the tone shifted away from the previous films, as that’s what the books did as well.
I really thought Fantastic Beasts would be a story about a man who had been outcast from society for being different, who had resigned to the love and company of magical creatures, learning to love humans again and healing from the pain that humans have inflicted on him in the past. And, in the end, even fighting to save humankind. But nope. That story about love did not happen. No character arc for Newt at all. And it could've been such a beautiful story!
I would've really liked that if that were the themes presented in the FB movies.
I thought so too. Jacob has more character development than him in the third movie. Newt was just there not really doing anything big.
If I ever become a director I would definitely hire you.
For a series about fantastic beasts, there's very little fantastic beasts after the first movie
I think J K Rowling wanted to do something similar to Better Call Saul. In BCS, Saul, Kim, Chuck, Howard etc are the main focus of the show, but it also show the cartel side of things including Gus, the Salamancas, Mike, Nacho, etc in an equally well balanced way without giving them too much limelight. I think if the Fantastic Beasts franchise were a TV show, it could have done the same thing BCS did, making it way better than what we got instead.
I feel like there could have been an extremely sweet little movie about magic/muggle friendships in Fantasstic Beasts if Eddy Redmayne and Dan Fogler had just been allowed to do what they did best, and they had stuck to a tight and closed plot
I've always said, after the end of the first movie, what WB should have done was release two sides, two movie series. Newt traveling the world meeting new magical species, such as Indiana Jones, but with animals and another series of films with a tone more similar to the last Harry Potter films (Serious Tone), about Dumbledore and Grindelwald, a series of films with them as protagonists or with Newt's own brother as such, after all, the parallel between Theseus and Dumbledore would be interesting.
@@JMTgpro Agree entirely. There should have been two different series of films, merging all together made very little sense and did a lot of harm to the franchise.
I couldn't agree more. I felt quite bummed out already at the end of the first Fantastic Beasts movie. I felt the movie had so much potential at fleshing out the wizarding world with little heartwarming or allegorical vignettes tied together with magical creatures and Eddie Redmayne's boyish charm but this element got completely sidelined with the typical blockbuster requirement to end in a huge climax with explosive spectacle in confrontation with a powerful Evil Dark Wizard kind of an antagonist.
And I think it would event work out financially - I mean, once you can populate your film with any kinds of cute little fantastical animals, you don't need huge explosions to do well at the box office.
@@JMTgpro exactly. They missed a golden opportunity to expand the larger universe like the MCU. Instead of just five films, they could have developed more with other writers and directors, one set of films focusing on Newt and his adventures and others the conflict between Dumbledore and Grindelwald, with Theseus and Tina acting as threads that connects them.
I've wanted to see more of Harry and Ginny's children (the next generation), and I always wondered why JKR never based her 5 film plan on the CC universe instead? I know the Cursed Child had people feeling lukewarm, but it has some solid characters, and, at the very least, it would still have some connections to the older, well-loved cast.
The reason why the Harry Potter movies were so successful to me was because each successive film matured with its audience. By the time The Deathly Hallows came out, it had some very mature themes about life and death compared to the earlier films. The films were very unique in that regard. These newer HP films I didn’t even know were related to franchise because the films have been so synonymous with youth. So seeing an adult play the main character made me think it was just another film.
I think the problem is that, It isn't following a goal based journey. If u know the goal, only then will u be surprised by twists. Every Harry Potter book follows a major goal/danger etc that is revealed from the start
That and they were a book first
Totally
I never liked the Wizarding World in the first place
Even the earlier films were mature in their storytelling.
Another important theme of hp was identity. Harry was discovering his family origins, and the world where he belonged. Fantastic beasts could have been about the outcasts of the magic community, the fight for animal creature rights, compassion and heart warming friendships. I always thought that placing Grindelwald on the movie was really a stretch.
"Another important theme of hp was identity."
This wasn't a theme, this is a common trope. It's part of the hero's journey and it's pretty standard.
@vgmp But it still was a big part of the story, wasn't it?
Both can be true imo.
heart worming lol
@@adamwarlock8263 my keyboard is set in spanish and auto correct is a nightmare, but glad it made you feel smart. Also I am not a native english speaker. Have a nice day.
@@BenderBendingRodriguezOFFICIAL whether is a theme or not it is what gives harry a character Arc. In fantastic beasts no character seems to grow or change. Some characters don't even have motivations, or even proper lines to be fair. I guess my point Is i would have rather engaged with a few well written characters than the mess it was. At least that is my take :)
The thing that's so frustrating about the Fantastic Beasts films is that the aesthetic is on point. Wizards in early 1900s New York, long coats and hats works so well.
It takes a lot more than costume design to make a good film unfortunately.
Kind of weird how they forgot that wizards are bad at dressing like muggles but maybe the AD 800 "Merlin" look was just the fashion in Hogwarts in the 90s.
Disagree. Wizards in the books do not know how to dress properly like muggles. Their fashion is stationed in medieval style, because that's the period when wizards went into hiding.
@@eduardon9299It made sense in America. But not when they went back to Britain
I completely disagree. I hate the aesthetic direction towards minimalism/glossiness with the magic and wizarding world vs say, the first movies wizarding aesthetic. It’s bland
Ironically Tina was an auror so was probably the most equipped to stop Grindlewald more than a teacher, baker, poltitan and a zookeeper lmao
I hated that. She was like the anti Hermione.
@@GonzoGoesToBitburg87 isn't Ron an anti hermione?
I hated Tina. That actress doesn't sell it. Hilarious that JK wrote her off as revenge.
@@MrDeothor yes, but I mean as a strong woman she needs to be rescued way more than Hermione ever did.
Ppl are more than titles and talents go beyond training with plot armor all is possible
Here's what I would have done with the franchise:
- Dumbledore vs Grindelwald trilogy
- Fantastic Beast standalone film
- Creation of Hogwarts
- Origins of Azkaban
- Beedle the bard's stories animated film (each story with a different animation and told by a different actor)
- TV show about the Marauders/First War
- TV show about young Voldemort
Yeah, this is actaul enjoyable stuff with a tightly held story to back it. This would have been the smart decision
Do we really need a fantastic beasts movie? Who would be the antagonist? Besides that ur plan is great
@@dibyanshumohanty It would be just Newt's adventures that helped him make the book ig
@@anirudhjain2462 as i can see u r a fellow marvel fan, so u know what happens when we have non speaking beast like animals as antagonist, look at eternals...now i know eternals was more than that but ig u get my point, the movie would turn out like a biography and people would be like....nah they are just cashing out the Harry Potter IP
@@dibyanshumohanty the problem with eternals was the plot and lack of creativity.
With Fantastic Beasts what I would do is make Newt a character who pushes the plot unlike in the movies released.
It's such a shame because I love the first movie of Fantastic Beasts. Out of all the Harry Potter characters, I relate to Newt the most and it's so heartwarming to see his love and passion for magizoology. I would love to see just Newt going around the world with the plots revolved around him and his struggles educating the magical world at large about how misunderstood those animals were. But nooo, we need to dive around this over-complicated plot about Grindelwald while they made Newt standing around like a useless lamppost because the plot literally has nothing to do with him
I never understood why Fantastic Beast was the direction she chose. All I have ever wanted to see was the Marauders. Loony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs at school with Snape and Lily leading into Voldemort’s first rise. Why was that not the choice?
Many people wouldn't have been interested in that. The marauders were a group of teenage bullies.
Absolutely! I wasn't even a marauders girl, but that time period is saturated in juicy character history and back up stories to the trio's school years. I equally crave it and hope they never do it (bc Rowling and generally no studio is capable of doing a good job now)
@@Lilithlyexcept that they accepted Moony, a werewolf, who was rejected by the rest of the wizarding world. I don’t think Snape’s memory is an adequate way to assess who they were. Rowling really was a bit convoluted in their treatment.
Because James and his friends were bullies and criminals lol Would've been hard for audiences to root for them with James and Sirius "hexing people just for the fun of it" since their first year.
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We have Snape's memories for reference, which he was hiding and so weren't tampered with like Slughorn's were, so we can be assured that they were accurate to what happened. On top of that, both Sirius and Lupin maintained that James kept bullying Snape behind Lily's back, and that before that James "hexed people just for the fun of it"; hexes are dark magic that usually causes pain and disfigurement and are one step above curses (charms < jinxes < hexes < curses)
I really wish we could let franchises go once they've run their course and wrapped up their story. I know a lot of people still enjoy the franchise, but I think a big part of that is that there's not much replacing it. I'm grateful I was able to experience the Harry Potter books/movies as a kid, and I'm sad that the current generation of kids don't have a "legacy series" of their own, just their parents and grandparents moldy old stories repackaged over and over and over again. Like thrice reheated pizza.
There are some, example: Miraculous
Fully agree.. Just because it was successful and popular with Harry doesn't mean it will always be popular with random other characters..
Most of the stories I grew up on were rehashed fairy tales, legends or victorian children’s stories. That’s just how it works.
Big hit new children’s/young adults stories with a long and lasting legacy don’t come along all that often, and they can’t be brute forced into existence.
Just count yourself lucky to have live through one. The likelihood is that the HP books will still be being read to children when we are all long gone.
Star wars?
It really sucks how franchises can't seem to end on a good note, since if the franchise is on a good note why end it?
Its dead because HP revolved around a set of 7 books that people held dear in their hearts. Remember how insane the book releases got? I remember getting GoF and OotP and the queues were mental. People seem to forget this. You didnt touch this early on in the video when you should have, harry potter was becoming a thing well before the first film came out. Once those books were finished on screen, so was the franchise.
I mean, that's sort of implied. The book franchise was massive, that set up the movies being massive.
I agree. The Harry Potter series was about teenage Harry and his two friends having adventures in a magical school. Everything else was backstory. It was just there to give the main story an impression of depth. No one cares about Newt Scamander and his girlfriend, or Dumbledore and his fascist lover, or Voldemort’s completely unlikely daughter.
I suspect JKR would have been fine with letting the story be over. She wrote her masterpiece, and has more money than she can ever spend. But the movie studio cannot let the cash cow die.
I think JK really regrets ending the HP series so definitively. She didn't really leave any room for sequels, she just cut to years later to show that everyone is great and lived happily ever after. Now she wants to make more but there's no room to because things ended so clearly.
@@SquadPoop thats just good writing.
@@lukawho8503 nowadays everything has to be written with a sequel in mind.
The first fantastic beasts and where to find them movie is actually really entertaining and stands on its own legs perfectly fine. Honestly, the two sequels have left a sour taste, but the first one, i can actually rewatch and have a great time every time i do so.
Exactly. The first fantastic beasts movie is a decent spin-off/prequel/addon to the HP universe, that is fun, and shows us more about the wizard world. Then the second and third movies came and shit the bed, making the main character into a super important one for.. no reason other than ''he was in NYC during the thing''.
The first movie is fine if you turn your brain off and ignore that none of the characters actually developed at all, the plotline doesn't make much sense, and most of the friendly characters barely interact with each other at all even though the movie pretends they have some deep bond and wants you to feel bad when they get separated - these people have known each other for 8 hours total. They're acquaintances at best.
I think fantastic could have been a series, following him around while he documents the creatures. Then maybe do a sequel movie when the tackle the big bad and do the Dumbledore story
The first one was average. I think David Yates dropped the ball. It should have been bright and colorful like Philosopher's Stone. I don't know why they shot so many scenes in night time. The movie would have been 10 times greater if the vibe was sunny, warm, island or nature vibe. The American Wizarding World was boring.
@@One.Zero.One101 true. They should have brought back Chris Columbus for the first movie.
As an adult looking back at the series, I just have one question. Why tf weren't social services called on the Dursleys???
Just one ? What about the fatfobia,
the Anti-semitic goblins or the fact that somehow slavery is justified because they "like it."
What I thought was so strange about the fantastic beast is the fact that no one asked for it. I remember when I was a teenager going online to read fanfictions and there was thousands of them. The storie about the Marauders, the next generation or the origin of Voldemort were among the most common themes. The studio producers didn't even needed to guess which stories the people wanted to be created next, they litteraly could have gone on google to find out
I’m shocked you didn’t talk about the theme parks, their success is literally mind blowing, completely changed the industry
It's about children.
@@robertagren9360 …..wut lol
This video is about the films
@@pierzing.glint1sh76 at the beginning of the video he mentioned the power of the entire brand, videos games and Lego’s, etc.
@@uhuhuh1966 bruh they're rides are fcking amazing!! I heard they're literally making the Ministry of Magic at the new park in Orlando
It will never not be funny that JK messed up her own lore and rules in the Fantastic Beasts movies.
But hey, tell me more about how great of a writer she is.
You make it sound like Harry Potter wasn't already full of plot holes
She did not. Not a lot.
@@plushiesdx like what plot holes for example? Are they so obvious or am I just blind? Sorry, actually got me thinking rn :D
@@chiarastarias8137 dont even bother asking him lol. Clearly just a troll
Deathy Hallows Part 1 is actually my favorite of all the movies. The whole tempo is just great and the time for the character developement hardly needed before the final film. The dancing scene gets me every time. I'm very glad that they split the last movie.
The dancing scene is one of my favourite scenes in the entire franchise. Sooo good.
@@movieoverload Yeah, this movie has so many great scenes of the franchise in my opinion. The beginning with the deaths of MadEye Moody and Hedwig. The wedding attack. How Hermione started crying about losing Ron. The dance scene. The animation of the story from Beedle the Bard. Dobby's death.
Man, I love that movie! 🥰
@@monkeypunch8781 oh that beedle & bard scene alone is perfection ❤️
same i love the lost in the woods theme. and that song they dance to was my favorite
@@movieoverload sammmmme
I think they just couldn't choose what they wanted to focus on and too much was happening at once. I think the Fantastic Beasts movies should have been 2 separate series. Fantastic Beasts with Newt going to different countries and going on adventures finding the beasts. And then a different series with the first wizarding world, Dumbledore and Grindelwald. I never understood why they bothered with it being called Fantastic Beasts when that was totally put on the back burner. They could have been cool stories on their own.
The problem with the Crimes of Grindelwald is not that it is dull and has no plot. The problem is that it makes no sense and has too much plot.
The reason why everyone had long hair on the goblet of fire was because of the new director. Previous films, the cast was told to not cut their hair, so it can be done first day on set. The New Director didn't know this but liked the look. So he had the cast keep their hair the way it was when they showed up. Apparently, Rupert Grint was not thrilled about this 😅
Which is why I just love the 3rd & 4th film..
imo, 3rd film had amazing hair, peak main trio hairstyles. 4th film...
From what I've heard regarding everybody suddenly having long hair in Goblet of Fire. Apperently the actors were asked to not cut their hair between the movies, so that the staff on set could do it instead when the filming was about to begin. However, due to some misscommunication before making this movie, people were under the impression that that hairstyle was what everybody was suppose to have, so no one did anything about it.
I’m sure I read somewhere that either Daniel Radcliffe or Rupert Grint said yes they were told to grow their hair after finishing film 3 so the filmmakers could decide how to cut and style it at the start of filming Goblet of Fire. So they all showed up for pre-production with long hair, at which point the director decided he liked the look, so they kept it as that.
I think that was just how teenage boys at the time wore their hair.
Heck when I was that age my hair would gtrow crazy fast in just 2 or 3 months.
For most boys in the UK, including myself, this period of time was the longhair phase
This was also the era on Disney channel where all the boys had that ugly helmet hair with curtain bangs. It was a gross time for style…. The mid 2000’s were weird
I do think that it was very much the books that created the hype around the wizarding world, the movies "just" expanded on it. While Rowling wasn't writing high literature, she was excellent at world building. I regularly found myself returning to the books for the fillers, the descriptions of life at Hogwarts, small details that made everything come to life.
The problem is: she seems to have forgotten that the world building was what made the series work. If you take that away, what you're left with is a pretty standard good vs. evil tale. Nothing terrible, but nothing special either. Fantastic beasts could have worked if they had allowed comfort and wonder to be priorities instead of mindless action.
Let's be honest, the world is going to shit and signs of that were there long before the first Fantastic Beasts movie was released. People are desperate for distraction and there is a reason why, for example, Ghibli movies got so much attention during lockdown. Not everything has to have a big plot, sometimes it's enough if it makes you happy. They struck gold with Eddie Redmayne, he could have easily carried a miniseries where Newt focuses on a different Beast every episode. It could have been charming, whimsical and expanded on the Harry Potter lore.
Instead we got the action of the last Harry Potter movies without the lead-up. You don't feel for the characters, because you don't know them, you don't care for the world, because it's already chaos, and you don't care how it ends, because, guess what, Harry Potter comes after it, so you kinda already know. The only good things about the Fantastic Beasts films were Eddie Redmayne and Mads Mikkelsen, but sadly they just weren't given enough to work with to actually save the series.
"While Rowling wasn't writing high literature, she was excellent at world building."
JK Rowling? Excellent at world building? Man, her entire IP was standing on Hogward. That's like the only thing about Harry Potter: the school with the teenager in the cool colored coded house that sort you according to your personnality.
The rest of the wizarding world is incredibly weak and underdevelopped.
@@johnwotek3816 Hogwarts isn't all of it, but it's the most of it, agreed. And that was enough to inspire people to the point where adults still put their house in their dating app bio and wish for their Hogwarts letter of acceptance
I'm not saying she's a genius, but credit where credit is due
It's Star Wars with shitty lightsabers.
And I'm not saying that as a hater. I do love the Wizarding world. But like you mentioned, if you take the world building out of it, it's your classic good vs evil story. And a lot of it, is incredibly similar to Star Wars. Or at least the first trilogy of it.
Crimes of Grindelwald has one of THE worst writing in entire film history. It’s really incredible. The out of nowhere reveal about the baby switch, then the even more out of nowhere reveal that that switched out baby was actually drowned in the sea… Hooooo my goooooood
I remember that at one time in the theater I was so lost in the story that I was just enjoying the great production design...
I think your idea of filler is different than what a lot of people think filler is and why people hate it. Coming from anime, filler refers to things that weren't in the original manga or light novel an anime is based on, and is almost always of a significantly lower quality. It's this filler that people don't like, not a distinction between action and non-action.
The downfall of the franchise is very sad to see. Guarantee within 10 years we have a legacy sequel
but plot twist: Draco’s daughter is the protagonist, she’s best friends with one of hermione and Ron’s kids (hilarious) and Albus Severus Potter is the villain because his father named him fucking Albus Severus
A legacy sequel with the original actors would make a lot of money though
@@maree4435 Draco has a son named Scorpious and he is best friends with Harry’s second son Albus in the cursed child.
While I dislike the Cursed Child for many reasons, I can see it getting adapted to a tv show later on down the line
@@nicholasscales4446 thanks for the info, it’s been awhile! the dynamic would be really cool to see regardless. And I agree, it would have been a much better adaptation than whatever Fantastic Beasts was
That play is somewhat of a legacy sequel.
I didn’t watch fantastic beasts because it’s not hogwarts. The reason Harry Potter caught my eye was because we watched a boy in a bad home who experienced a new world. I was in awe when I saw the castle.
Same
Same
Having J.K. Rowling as the screenwriter of the Fantastic Beasts movie in a billion dollar franchise was the biggest and most tragic mistake that this franchise has ever have. Can't believe they hire her who have no experience in screenwriting to write the damn script
I wouldn’t be surprised if her mindset was “if EL James could do it, so can I.” I can’t say I fault the logic, but after 50 Shades, Hollywood should’ve known better.
@@shippendales8543 the films do not just feel like books, they feel like HER books, which are not too well structured either.
@@nguyenvietanh2152 At least not after book 4, where it became abundantly clear she straight up refused to work with any kind of editor whatsoever.
Yeah because it’s not as if she didn’t invent the entire fucking universe and wrote all the back story and lord for it
There’s a good reason screenwriters start with shorts and don’t jump to 2.5h feature movies
Ya know what I’ve always wanted for the Harry Potter universe. I’ve always felt like the wizarding could pull off an awesome horror movie. Like have students from different explore a forgotten place with dark magic only for it to go horribly wrong. The wizarding world should some horror movies thrown in.
there's plenty of places to explore in that regards. anything regarding herpo the foul, the creation of dementors and the original owner of azkaban ekrizdis, Voldemort's school years especially the year the chamber of secrets was opened, the quintaped backstory, any of these things could probably make for some great horror potential, I mean that last one literally ends with a whole family being eaten by the monsters they cursed another family into.
@@alecrutz956 see shit like that would be amazing to explore. So much we can see in terms of horror we have for Harry Potter.
There is a lot of dark fanfiction in the harry potter world that explore some dark themes
Ezra should’ve been dropped. What a freak.
The only thing I didn’t like about the conclusion of the HP series is the fact that Voldemort basically disintegrates. I think it would have been better for there to have been a body to show that despite everything he did and how scary he was, he was still only human. Not to mention the fact that the last time he just vanished like that he ended up still being alive. I wouldn’t trust it if I didn’t know better
In the book he does die like a normal person leaving a dead body behind, although in a kinda convoluted way, so I guess the writers for the movie said "fuck it, it's easier if he just disintegrates".
If you look at it the other way around, it make sense there as well. Like, after everything, every atrocities Voldemort has done and the abomination he has become, he is far from being a human but not in a good way like he was some sort of a angel. He doesn't deserve a peaceful human death and proper burial, he was a nightmare or darkness that just disappeared and then the sun rose.
@@stephenblack5425 idk man I think the general idea of leaving a body behind is precisely that after all, he's still just a mortal who couldn't face death with dignity. Plus like op mentioned people need to see a body for their peace of mind lol.
Him leaving behind a body doesn’t fit to his backstory. Since he basically shed his humanity by splitting his soul into multiple horcruxes.
@@NerfsDJ you haven't read the books. he does leave a body.
A lighthearted mini-series about Newt and Jacob travelling and exploring different cultures and traditions around the world and their magical beasts sounds amazing. I think they've struck gold with Newt, he was an incredibly interesting protagonist and I loved his charming quirky weirdness, and from what I've heard, other people loved him too. It's such a shame that he simply didn't have a place in the Dumbledore/Grindelwald plotline, and we most definitely won't see more of him.The only moments I personally considered engaging in the latter 2 movies were of Newt interacting with his beasts or the nostalgic callbacks to Hogwarts.
Rowling is no doubt a problematic and controversial figure, and I hope that if there are to be any other HP projects in the future, she realises the impact of her shortcomings, but who knows, she wasn't able to do so even after all this time and only seems to grow more arrogant.
That mini series sounds so good. I really loved Newt in the first movie, so it was a huge shame that the plot of the last two movies had nothing to do with him.
Given what Rowling has written about the world and different cultures, it's probably best to not go anywhere near there.
@@mechanomics2649 yeah I wouldn't trust her with any new project at this point.. the world of Harry Potter has grown beyond what Rowling has to offer and it's really sad to see as she goes out of her way to butcher the story we all adored as kids.
She said nothing wrong. Women need safe spaces exlusively for biological women. Because the self identification is an invitation to abuse it.
I am scared of men, I don't want a person who claims to be a woman but has a penis in my Women Only gym.
Why are teanswomen so obsessed with invading our spaces and freak out when we don't want them there? Their rights are not above our rights.
But what is a woman?
I was waiting for you to mention how amazing that fight between Voldemort and Dumbledore in Order of the phoenix was integral as it was the 1st real showcase of how powerful wizard fights can be visually represented well on screen :)
Yeah that was amazing
Watching those old scenes, something remember I like about the character Harry is that he has long bangs. As in, he doesn't show off his scar. It's a subtle visual nod to the fact that he perhaps feels a tad insecure or embarrassed about his fame. Intentional or not, I like that it's there.
It's okay to call transphobia "transphobia" as opposed to a nebulous, nonspecific notion of "politics"
Focus was the biggest flaw of the Fantastic Beasts franchise. The reason why Harry Potter is so beloved is because we got to see the Wizarding world through Harry's eyes and see his relationships and friendships grow. With Newt, we got one film and he was quickly discarded soon after for the legacy characters.
All Fantastic Beasts benefitted was Newt finding new beasts and exploring the untouched areas of the Wizarding world. Like I can imagine him interacting with the Centaurs to the mermaids to see if a creature exists.
It would have been relatively easy to work the theme of "love" into the Fantastic Beasts movies; If Rowling had actually had the spine to do something with the alleged Dumbledore/Grindelwald relationship.
Exactly, why not write that epic lovers to enemies story that she hinted at? Well, China, that's why.
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@@OldPirate1718 Kids need moral lessons about tolerance and inclusivity all the more, not less. So they don't turn out like you, when they grow up.
She doesn't have the balls. She'll happily blame librarians in the UK and other such nonescence while disregarding the fact that such behaviour from the libraries is illegal in the UK. She'll blame anyone except herself
@@c.w.8200more likely because no one gave a crap about their romance to begin with. The two of them didn't even belong in the fantastic beasts movies.
i would have loved a movie just about Newt and his quest on finding rare animals a home and the zoology in general. mix in some evil hunter or whatever and the first movie would have been a lot better already in my opinion
13:34. I loved that bit about the attention span of a fork. I think Hermione should like to introduce it to her emotionally stunted teaspoon.
The4thSnake did a video about the Wasted Plotential of the Fantastic Beasts Franchise, where his proposed fix was keeping the first film the same, having Crimes of Grindelwald be just about him and Dumbledore's relationship and their epic duel, then the 3rd film would be Quidditch through the Ages, essentially making the Wizarding World storyline an Anthology series.
They should have taken us back to the life of Harry Potters parents at Hogwarts, all that drama between snape and lilly , taken us back to Tom Riddle times and ended it with showing us how riddle killed Harrys parents
I miss filler episodes. Buffy had so many filler episodes yet those are some of my favorites. The time spent watching well over 100 episodes made those characters SO endearing. By the time you finish season seven, they are your friends.
I dont think the franchise is dead. the success of Hogward Legacy clearly show that there are still people who love Harry Potter. the only problem is that JK seem to no longer realized the reason why people love it in the first place. I dont think she will ever become broke. Hogward Legacy, Universal Studio, and every merchandise from Harry Potter will always keep her rich. but I dont think we can expect any more great story coming from JK. she simply caught lightning in the bottle, and can not re create the miracle a second time. let hope many others creative mind will be able to get the right to expand the franchise in her stead.
It wasn't killed by transphobia, just bad writing.
"The first movie didn't age well"
My dude, are you kidding me? It's easily one of the best aged movies maybe ever. It has potential to forever be considered a classic for children, for how innocent and earnest it was, even quirky. I marathoned the series again not 2 months ago and was appalled by how well it was executed.
The only thing I can nitpick about the movie is the fact that Harry didn’t cast a single spell the entire movie… and hermione called him a “great wizard” 😂
You mentioned the reveal of Hogwarts shot. That scene probably has the most interesting story out of any shot from any Harry Potter movie: When Columbus and his editor Richard Francis-Bruce, were trying to find ways to shorten the movie a little and part of that included trying to shorten that scene. John Williams, in all his wisdom, will always take a rough cut over a Final Cut. He went away, worked on the music, and when it came time for the scoring sessions, he pulled a rabbit out of his hat and made a scene that, without music, isn’t interesting and made it interesting. Chris and Richard turned to each other and basically said “Screw trying to shorten this part of the movie, that is staying in the movie unedited.” It’s one of a multitude of reasons why I’m thankful that John Williams was the first composer to work on the series. When any Harry Potter fan thinks about the music, you can always think about the stupendous work done by Patrick Doyle, Nicholas Hooper and Alexandre Desplat, who did phenomenal jobs in helping finish the story, musically, but it’s John music, especially the central leitmotif “Hedwig’s Theme”, that we all identify with as being the identifying music of Harry Potter.
Kloves did write 7 of the 8 movies, bowing out of OOTP and Michael Goldenberg, who was considered to be screenwriter before Kloves was chosen, stepped in and wrote the script.
I will defend these two things from all three Fantastic Beasts movies till the day I die: I do love Jude Law as Dumbledore and James Newton Howard’s music.
"expanding the world by seeing the quidditch world cup" we saw some tents and a stand we didn't see any of the actual match loool
To this day I am so confused to why they didn't choose marauderers as the spinoff, in the fandom itself, they are just as popular and the original trio reallyy.
Because the Marauders are bullies, and don’t make good heroes if you look at them closely. The hero of that generation is Snape, but he is a tragic hero, who fell into darkness and had to fight his way back out. That sort of story is no fun for kids.
Because these films are supposed to be light family films, the marauders were Snapes bullies, that was a big part of Sirius and James childhood at Hogwarts.
@@bitten4life Snape gave as good as he got, and only got a "hero" plotline because JKR loved Alan Rickman.
@@janach1305 gonna have to disagree, Snape was a bully towards children. If someone bullies you when you’re a kid, you don’t join terrorists, kill a bunch of people, develop an unhealthy obsession with a woman, cause her death and then hate their child. Yeah a real hero 😂
@@olivej445 I knew someone would bring this up. Certainly, anyone who does anything less than perfect as an adult deserves to be punished retroactively as a child. 🙄
The Fantastic Beasts concept was so good. It would have been a great adventure seeing Newt save magical creatures around the world, maybe teaming up with various professors from the other Wizarding schools in order to start an official “Magizoology” field. The entire plot of Gindelwald vs Dumbledore could have just been a subplot that gets expanded upon in a later but altogether separate films. Perhaps in order to tie them together a plot about how Wizarding poachers are collecting magical beast resources in order to prepare for the global Wizarding war.
Thank you so much for saying that the main core of Harry Potter is love. It's been so frustrating over the years seeing people think that the key to the HP franchise's success was just being a stale story about magic and wizards and Harry being a blank self-insert character in the books. This video is the first time I've seen a youtuber understand why I at least fell in love with the series as a child.
I've stopped being invested in the franchise after cursed child came out and I do agree with the criticism people have had of the books since then. I also don't agree with many of the statements JKR has made about the original books and about other creators online, nor do I agree with whatever fucking direction she wanted to take fantastic beasts in. However, I also find it disingenuous when people make long videos on the original series of books or movies and completely ignore how love and friendship had always been the core that made fans so invested in the series and books.
This next part is more of a guess on my part because I have little idea on what's going on with Hogwarts Legacy. Had the fandom not fallen in love with the characters who viewed Hogwarts as their home, I severely doubt we would have grown to be so attached to Hogwarts ourselves. Personally, I think one of the reasons Hogwarts Legacy sold so well is because of how dear Hogwarts was to the fandom. It was a place they spent years with and a place many children who are now adults wanted to go to for so many years. It's almost like a promise had finally been fulfilled after years of waiting.
Edit: I really don't think the franchise can be "saved" if the OG trio came back and I don't really want them to after reading about the horrible time Daniel Radcliffe had filming The Half-Blood Prince. The series imo is over. JKR had her chance to show that she could expand the lore of the wizarding world with the FB movies and she failed spectacularly to make most people interested.
JK kind of already dragged the Wizarding World into the mud when she made that tweet about wizards pooping their pants
"Made a Tweet that triggered me" - Twatter users 💀
@@Vinicantstopcrying did you even read his comment 💀
@@Vinicantstopcrying lol.. atleast read the comment
They also split book 7 in half for artistic reasons, to make the final battle more dramatic and a satisfying ending.
The hair was long in "Goblet of Fire" because the actors were told not to cut it before filming for the hair stylists. When the director saw them after they got back from holiday, he said not to change a thing. This forced them to keep their hair long for the rest of the movie.
Man, magic duels could be so complex and interesting, Transfigurations, Incantantions, etc, and instead is two people staring at each other intensively while saying abstolutely nothing.
I think we learned that if you want a good villain you should just cast Mads from the start
I think some people fear filler because of anime. Whole season? Just filler episodes? Nightmare.
This is the reason the internet feels this way about filler. Anime actually ADDS filler that the original creator didn't make because they caught up to the source material and needed to buy some time. That is the worst kind of filler. Downtime that the source material intended to give breathing room is the actually good kind of filler the video creator was thinking of.
I was going to make this exact comment.
Not even just anime. Filler is bad bc it's NETWORKS padding out episodes when TV revolved around weekly releases all year.
Most anime and non anime simply run far too long.
The whole irony is that usually action is filler, just worse than what people think of as filler, which is something that actually tells us something about the plot and characters. Watch the Battle of the Five Armies to know what I mean. Or actually, don't watch it, since it is horrible movie.
And yes, there is a difference between adding content just in between because you run out of source material and just adding more... source material in between. The hobbit is the example of former. But LOTR extended edition just has more of the book, and it is good
To be fair though, if we get stories of Newt travelling around the world searching for Beasts, that means JK Rowling has to *write* world building on those places he visits as well, and her world building on places other than Britain is... Questionable. At best. Just look at the name she gives Japan's magic school.
If they do that, JK will need a team of researchers with her to help not make those places an absolute caricature and cause people to start raising pitchforks for representing their locations badly.
They should’ve made a short series about Voldemort’s early years when he was still Tom riddle at school. That’s what I want to see
honestly it probably wouldn't have been that interesting. Just a bigoted bully getting progressively meaner and meaner and more manipulative and controlling and having a gang of bullies around him for seven years. there's nothing redeeming or interesting about seeing a bully become an all-powerful monster who murders people. There are so many side stories for HP that would be interesting but this one ain't it hahah
The tried this in the Star Wars universe with the prequels, the story of Anakin. The results are mixed at best. Hard to center your series around a protagonist who gets progressively more evil.
I don't think filler means what you think it means
I like Harry Potter but it doesn't have a depth you can revisit again throughout your life and gain a deeper appreciation for. You could make the argument it was a children's book but Star Wars was for children too. It's like comparing Axe Body Spray to fancy cologne. It smells good at first but quickly just wears off and doesn't mix with your body chemistry like fancy cologne.
Maybe J. K. Rowling wasn't confident about writing a world tour of what Fantastic Beast would have been had Newt travel around the world encountering new beast for his book but also solving the mystery in each place he visited. We would have gotten a bigger view of the Harry Potter world IMO.
The problem is is that Rowling is a book author which is completely different than screen writing
I think, somewhere along the way including the original series, the wizarding world aesthetic changed as well. I miss the kooky wizarding world fashion etc that’s more prominent in the books and first couple of movies. The FB franchise just looses it completely, through the muggle clothing, even the world it’s set in. I think that looses the magic of the established Wizarding World. There are times throughout the FB franchise where they could have gone full wizarding world aesthetic, as they’re not in muggle presence. Like when they’re in the speak easy in the first movie. Costuming is a big part of the visual side of world building, and I think that’s part of what’s wrong with the FB franchise, personally.
“Failure”
Hp is still the highest grossing franchise ever if you count 8 movies only. Even with Star Wars having 12 and marvel 30, it’s still top 3.
Can we just take notice of the fact he said "it marked a true shift in how dark the franchise was going to become, and expanded on the shift of how dark the franchise was getting" so he just said the same thing twice but rephrased it
I feel like Fantastic Beast should've been primarily about the Fantastic Beast themselves. If I were to rewrite it I would make it an exploration of the various magical creatures in the Harry Potter universe. Maybe the villains would be Muggle poachers who got their hands on Magic infused weapons given to them by a rouge wizard.
I actually kind of liked the first fantastic beasts film it was a cool new story set in a universe that we were already familiar with then when the crimes of grindelwald came out I knew where they were going it wasn’t gonna be about newt or fantastic beasts just a prequel about Dumbledore and grindelwald that sets up the original series
I like the 3rd, but the 2nd is just floating there going nowhere.
The thing that always bothered me most about Harry Potter was that it had all those great ideas and things that haven't been there before but it was rarely explained properly how those things came into existence or how they work. In the original HP series, there was a ton of stuff that could've been explored in spin off films or books.
There are so many things I was interested in, like what different spells exist, how do you "invent" a new spell. In the books we learn about very few spells but we literally have a library with hundreds of magic books. Then there are topics like, how was Hogwarts created, how did creatures like dementors come into existence (we have some info about that now, but still), what do wizard societies abroad look like, what kinds of different magic exists etc. So there is a lot. Even background stories for a lot of the characters would be interesting.
So when the "fantastic beasts" was announced I was excited because I found that this was actually an interesting aspect and it had a lot of potential but as it was said, in the end it was barely about the beasts anymore and just once again devolved into the classic good vs evil trope.
The more I think about it the sadder it makes me. Could you guys imagine an actual proper series of films with Mads as Grindelwald and Jude Law as Dumbledore? They’re both incredible actors, and there are so many incredible screenwriters out there who could’ve made this a drastic improvement upon the Harry Potter films
The FIRST Fantastic Beasts movie was good. I really liked Newt Scemander, it was nice to see a Hollywood movie that doesn't have a stereotypically "masculine" man. It was a good spin-off movie, and they shouldn't have made a sequel... especially because the sequel wasn't even ABOUT Fantastic Beasts, it was about Dumbledore.
Mads Mikkelsen is really perfect for his role. Jude Law and him are the only good thing of the Fantastic Beast series.
The boycott for Hogwarts Legacy worked so well that it became the Number 1 best-selling game for a few months.
Great job, guys.
tbh im just waiting for the switch rom, cant afford to spend 60+ dollars
It was going to do well anyway, people care more about entertainment than about human rights
Gamers are the dumbest fan base; I say this as a hardcore gamer myself. There's a reason why microtransactions, loot boxes, games as a service, unfinished bug-ridden games flourish in the industry. If Samsung released a bug-ridden phone where you can't access your Contacts, nobody would buy it, and the company would stop making it. But in gaming, garbage games keep making HUGE profits.
@@elisehalflight A ok-ish game and author of childrens books wont take away anyones rights.
@@zema9401 True, political action will.
Which are both being carried on by said author and the director of the developing studio.
It seems to be working tho', have you seen the sheer amount of prohibitive laws being proposed this year?
I would LOVED to have seen a trio of single biopic style films on the marauders, Snape and the first wizarding war. Fantastic beasts could have been a fun spin of as a singular film if it had a PLOT like you said.
Just some fun trivia:
apparently, the harry potter actors just let their hair grow between movies, so that the people doing the costumes and all had something to work with. Usually, they'd get cut down significantly, but Mike Newell, the director of goblet of fire, just went "yeah thats great, we'll keep it that way." Thats why everyone has long hair.
"Darker" doesn't always mean "More mature".
At this moment they should just reboot Harry Potter into a tv series and explore the unexplored..and perhaps do a better Ginny Harry relationship and give Ron the required screentime and dialogues that made him so likeable in the books
Harry Potter isn’t dead on the big screen, the new movies are just terrible films. If Hogwarts Legacy is any indication, if they released a solid movie in the HP universe it would make soooo much money.
13:27 “filler is not a bad thing” - so true to me! That’s why these days I much more enjoy slice of life k-dramas and animes because they spend a lot of time with fillers to enhance character development and story immersion 😊
Filler is a bad thing, but I think both of you are confusing filler for build-up. Filler is useless screen time during which nothing relevant happens, while build-up is a point of low-emotion used to empower high-emotion scenes later on.
@@NoneNullAnd0 Exactly. True filler, by it's definition, is not good. At most, it's a guilty pleasure.
Filler is definitely bad in movies specifically. Movies should have a good story arc and be able to be good as standalone products, I do not want to watch 2 hours of filler just to make me "more excited" for the actual story i wanted to watch. Every scene matters, every line of dialogue should lead to something, Movies are not books
Really, Half Blood Prince could've done with being split as well.
Plot holes, very useful spells that disappeared from Fantastic Beasts to Harry Potter, every wizard or witch dressed as muggle (Dumbledore is a banker now) when in reality wizards haven't the slighest idea how a muggle dresses, Newt and Tina that act like a teen would do, when they're more than 30.
Dulbledore that knows about The Room Of Requirements when in reality he discovered it only in 1994 during The Goblet Of Fire.
Fawkes is the "HP bar" of Credence's remaining life but during The Hald Blood Prince, he did absolutely nothing with Dumbledore.
Dumbledore and Grindelwad did a blood pact so neither of them can attack the other, but somehow they managed to do it, resulting in Ariana death.
they shouldn't have made newt into the main character, if dumbledore is alive people want to see dumbledore.
This is not just exclusive to Harry Potter. When it comes to the success of major franchises, the most important thing found are characters and their relationships and themes. Then the world building comes second. It's how Harry Potter or ATLA have become timeless because the themes within those characters being so strong will forever be relevant.
Sorcerers stone flows off the tongue better don't @ me
Honestly as smn on neurodivergent spectrum Newt is such a important character for me I know many people with autism, adhd etc who feels the same way about him. The problem is Fantastic beasts and where to find them wasn’t the smartest movie but it worked but than they tried to make out of it another Harry Potter thing and that’s were it flopped. Newt (and animals) is Fantastic, the rest of the series isn’t
I think the difference between getting the original writer to write the screen play is you get 100%(and sometimes more) of 10% of the story. When someone who writes screenplays writes the screenplay you get 10% of 100% of the story.
The writer wants to tell the whole story but may not have the skills necessary to distill the important parts only to fit the story into a film
13:30 weirdly enough, Naruto started that trend. Love Naruto but when the % of filler was realized, it’s a bad thing now
Had Fantastic Beasts just been an intentional one-off movie like Rogue One I feel like we'd have a different Harry Potter franchise right now.
Dumbledore should get his own movie franchise. For being "the most powerful wizard", he didn't get to do a lot in the original movie series.
Did you not see that absolute power move he did in Half Blood Prince??
@@MediaLoverChris02 yeah, showing one scene is same as showing entire storyline about his own life and adventures as the most powerful wizard.
@@vdiitd Sometimes it’s better to just leave things mysterious. Dumbledore’s character was done greatly in the films.
It’s like Yoda.
He was already cool enough in the Original Trilogy but then The Prequels made the stupid decision to give him a Lightsaber and have him do all those dumb flips.
IMO the Fantastic Beasts movie should've been a single movie in the style of a Steve Irwin "Crocodile Hunter" episode with a competent animal wrangler documenting the different magical creatures he comes across.
That or a mini-series in a comedic "wizard mockumentary" style with a pretty competent but bumbling zoologist guiding a documentary team through his (not always safe) encounters with different magical creatures. Very light and humerous.
we just forgive the harry potter stories so much, because when we read the books in an age where we all waited for this hogwarts letter and there was no smartphones or internet to make us realise how bland of a character harry and voldemort are. and we dont want to even start about the massive plotholes that appear because Rowling makes up things she needs to progress the story without checking if it would conflict with anything in the past books.
Fantastic beasts is a standalone and cant cash in on broken childhood dream nostalgia and people see it what it is. i was always as old as harry in the books and i lived in the magic world through his eyes, even with a flawed story. and thats how harry potter worked in the first place
im not hating harry potter, but even as a kid i pointed out much nonesense in the books to my friends.
If you wanna look at Fantastic Beasts as a failure that’s fine, but to even suggest that the Harry Potter Franchise has “dwindled away” is so far off the mark, the franchise has only gotten stronger in the last decade and even inspite of controversy and the recent sales of Hogwarts Legacy proves that; it isn’t just; “doing well” it’s one of the highest grossing games in recent years and that’s just within 4 weeks of being released! And I was in Universal Studios a couple of weeks ago during one of the quietest parts of the year and the Harry Potter world sections were by far the busiest parts of the park. You can say the fanfare has died down, but just because you say something doesn’t mean its true and that could not be further from the truth.
Ngl i liked that they split deathly hallows in two since it would feel rushed if all of it was forced into one movie and it helps the battle of hogwarts to be longer and better. In the book it was kinda short and underwhelming so i was glad the movie made it longer and added more to it
I just wished to see the life and lies of Albus Dumbledore:
1st movie- He meets Grindelwald and the two fall apart
2nd movie- Grindelwald's reign of terror with Dumbledore setting up a crew to try and stop him indirectly
3rd movie- Grindelwald becomes too strong and kills so many that Dumbledore goes on a hunt for him.
Is that too much to ask?
I believe there is some easy fixes that could’ve saved the fantastic beast series.
1. Have only the first film feature newt as the central protagonist and carry the fantastic beast name and have credence actually die in the end.
2. Have the second fully focus on Grindelwald as the main character. Actually show us his history and why he’s so notorious.
3. Have the third focus on Dumbledore and Grindelwald and their shared history. Get rid of the unbreakable vow because that was just silly and make it that instead Dumbledore simply can’t will himself to go against GG as an internal conflict is far more interesting than a literal spell preventing him.
4. The final films have these characters all reconvene and take down Grindelwald. Perhaps Newt and his friends use his unconventional methods and employ his beasts to disrupt Grindelwalds followers while Dumbledore takes down GG in the epic duel we’ve all heard about.
5. Possibly the most important of all, JK Rowling only works in the same advisory role as she did in the Harry Potter films.
I wish Rowling would’ve written fantastic beast into books first. Then turn them into movies.
7 prt one is the best movie in the series in my opinion. The atmosphere of hopelessness and despair, and having to persevere. through that is so good. Very post apocalyptic vibe.
I looove that one, it’s in 2nd place to me next to Azkaban, I can’t stand it when people say it’s bad it’s a dramatic masterpiece.
Yeah it was a great vibe, I loved it.
Honestly the only one out of the 8 movies I genuinely disliked was Half Blood Prince. Only good part of the movie was Tom's flashbacks and Dumbeldore's team up with Harry
@@Johnny.1994 OOF they really dropped the ball on that one, trying to make it a Twilight esque teen romance 🤮
@@uhuhuh1966 Agree, they prioritized twilight romance over storytelling. This was a problem in Goblet of fire too but it was generally a much better film than HBP
Wouldn't say the movie franchise is dead. They just made a bad movie series. It could rebound if the next movie series is good.
Small side note. Universal parks with the help from J.K. nailed the harry Potter part of the park. You can also feel the love for the Potter franchise more than any other part of the park.
I forgot that I had watched crimes of grindleworld movie until I saw clips from it in this video that I recognized. That's how confusing the movie is
Ultimately, if Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them had stuck to its original premise - gallavanting around with creative, interesting creatures and a quirky protagonist - I think it would have succeeded. It would never have become the juggernaut that the original Harry Poster series of films were, but it would have gone into such a tremendous tailspin either. And Rowling is absolutely to blame for that. She didn't have faith in the concept or in the protagonist, so she dragged familiar faces and concepts that worked in Harry Potter into it and created a huge mess.
Now I hate to burst your bubble, and I'm sure I'll be crucified for this, but I think you sing the praises of Rowling's writing far more than it deserves. She had some good things going in the original Harry Potter novels - for instance, Snape is a complex, well-written antagonist/anti-villain and worth celebrating. There's a sense of wonder and texture in the early books especially that's hard to match.
But when you get under that shiny veneer, there's not a whole lot of substance. It's wish-fulfillment. The books exist to let you fantasize about getting whisked away from boring homework, chores, and bullies to instead get to cast spells and eat delicious dinners and go on adventures. And it accomplishes that rather well... for the most part. However, once you start to really think about a lot of the choices Joanne made with the Wizarding World, cracks quickly start to show. The magic system is a cobbled-together mess of faux Latin and swinging sticks around to warp reality to one's own will. Even though wizards disparage Muggles so much, the books never really grapple with how shitty that is or how so much of what magic does can be matched - or even excelled - through science and industry.
Then, there's the house elves situation. Joanne seriously sat down, cracked her fingers, and with a self-satisfied cock of her eyebrow, she wrote a fantasy race that exists to be enslaved and actually love it so much it would be cruel to emancipate them. And when Hermione campaigns for house elves to be freed, while it's initially lauded as a good thing, she's soon ridiculed for it and the point is dropped. Don't sit there and tell me Harry Potter isn't political when Joanne tried to wrestle with the problem of slavery (a problem she is woefully unequipped to wrestle with in the first place) and only dropped it when it was apparent she couldn't handle it.
Joanne's writing for Hermione is kind of a mess in general the further out you go. She's not awful in the original series of books, but once you get beyond them, it's not pretty. The way you left out The Cursed Child in this broader discussion is really conspicuous in that regard. I'm not going to get into the other failures Joanne had post-Harry Potter - like the novels she published under a pseudonym out of the arrogant presumption that she's such a fantastic writer that she doesn't even need to put her name on a book for it to sell - but the way Hermione is written alone is just pathetic even in the sea of sludge that is The Cursed Child. Joanne's idea of a strong, competent, career-minded female character is a woman who falls apart if she doesn't have her husband around. When they change the past so Hermione and Ron didn't get married, the future is changed so Hermione no longer has her position at the Ministry of Magic - implying that she's only successful because of her man.
Which is really interesting, coming from someone who loves to crow about what a progressive, enlightened feminist she is. Joanne loves to just stroke her ego as she talks about her ardent belief that trans women like yours truly are just delusional criminals who live to prey on cis women and will do anything to that end. The fact of the matter is that Joanne is an egotistical, self-righteous, and absolutely vacuous woman who got lucky because she created the first real YA novel and got in early when there was no competition. If she had to write Harry Potter at the same time as the likes of The Hunger Games or the Percy Jackson series, she would not be able to hack it. She's a walking ego who feels the need to constantly lord her very existence over all the peons she sees as subservient to her because she wrote some books that got popular 20 years ago and has been riding that high ever since. Joanne isn't a feminist, she's a parasite who latches onto anything trendy and will bleed it dry just to feed her ego and her bank account for one more year, no matter who gets hurt by it.
Because you know what? The random trans person on Twitter or on TH-cam has very little recourse against someone with the wealth and cultural clout Joanne does. She can Tweet out some lies about what she thinks transgender people are like, and millions will see it, and at least a thousand will probably believe it for no other reason than because she says it. If you're just some random trans person who doesn't want to be seen as a monster just because Little Miss Wizarding World wanted to sound off about something she doesn't understand and get some attention, then you pretty much just have to either sit there and take it or find whatever ways you can to undermine her. Otherwise, as a trans person, you just need to let the gaping emptiness of Joanne's mind and mouth spew lies about you and people like you for nothing but her own self-benefit.
So yeah, maybe we need to stop couching every criticism of Harry Potter in reassurances about what a "great writer" Joanne is. Maybe we can start calling a spade a spade and admit to ourselves that she's a stupid hack who got lucky, and people who still treat her early books like they're the Bible just can't admit that maybe the very first novels they got into as a kid or teenager weren't as good as they thought they were. And maybe we can even consider the possibility that bad people and, in fact, bad writers can stumble into an idea that's so fetching that even their own unfathomable incompetence can't fuck it up so badly that people won't like it. The Wizarding World is a great idea in spite of Joanne, not because of her.
p.s.: Whatever you do, don't think about the fact that Joanne justifies her transphobia by saying she wants to protect women from sexual assault... after the books heavily imply that the herd of centaurs who dragged off Dolores Umbridge assaulted her in the woods. Joanne's fine with using it as a punishment for a woman the reader isn't supposed to like, but when the possibility of it happening is something she can wield against easy targets for her to abuse in order to try to gain clout, *now* she's the one fighting to protect women from it.
That little rant about fillers... clearly you need to see shows where these fillers literally advance or develop nothing. You could cut them out entirely and not lose one bit.
I keep seeing people say it's an anime specific thing. Explains it all tbh