this is why professional interpreters are so important, both for spoken language and for signed language. personal bias is always going to be a threat.
@@maxmustermann-zx9yq Not if he is disorientated, text does not convey all the details. A doctor will want to SEE and HEAR you first, those are the best tells immediately for any medical diagnosis.
i get both sides. if it's schzophrenia (sorry no idea how to spell that) than taking away the voices would be good. but then again to be able to hear again...i used to sign for friends who were deaf & i had to make sure i signed exactly what the person said. no matter what. i feel bad for the guy
Not necessarily. It's like Aidan was saying about how the voices tell him to do good things. From his point of view, the voices don't hurt him and help him. It doesn't occur to him that it could turn bad at any time. 2/3 schizophrenics are untreated. It's a very complicated disease. When you have voices that make you feel good or that give you warnings (say in the instance of believing that cops are out to get you) then you feel as if you need to keep those voices at all costs. And a lot of schizophrenics don't feel like they are mentally ill. They feel that everyone else is. It's such a complicated disease and there's no foolproof treatment or cure for it as they still don't know what specifically causes it. Dr. Charles is right that Risperidone is usually fast acting but it's not instantaneous. It usually takes between a week to months for it to work. Haldol is the one that is mostly used in hospitals when dealing with someone in psychosis because it's very fast acting. But it also leaves you in a zombie-like state. Also Risperidone can have side effects like tardive dyskinesia. I also see the side of the sister too. It is massively difficult being the caregiver of someone with schizophrenia. Not only can you not force them into treatment but they can go off the deep end at any moment. And most of the treatments can take months to years to work. It's almost like being in hell. I know from personal experience. My boyfriend has it. And then you heard Dr. Charles mention schizoaffective, right? That's both schizophrenia as well as a mood disorder (i.e. depression, anxiety, bipolar, etc.). My boyfriend has that. It's like walking on eggshells and it took me two years to help him to a point where he's not having to go to the hospital anymore. But at this point there's no such thing as normal for him. We have what we call his "new normal". Where as long as he isn't spiraling and going into psychosis we're good. But it's not 100% foolproof. I have strange conversations with him all the time. I feel for the sister and this young man in this clip. Not only does he already have a disability in the form of being deaf but he also now has schizophrenia. That's a bum rap. Hopefully, he can get the help he needs but his sister is in for a rocky road with him and that's after having already been over a rocky road. Hopefully, she'll be strong enough to handle it. If not, he could go downhill.
This guy literally didn’t want the voices to go away and the doctors were fine with that. I agreed that if it’s a physical ailment that the patient it should be a little of that decide if they want treatment or not, but if it is a mental health condition because I have seen so many cases where people have untreated, mental health conditions and they snap and either hurt someone or murder someone I don’t think mental health should be something that people are allowed to say they don’t want to treat your multiple ways to treat certain conditions so people can be allowed to say no I don’t want that particular way of treating this, but the should absolutely have to by law get mental health treated.
There's a lot of misinformation here and before you voice these kinds of opinions here, you should really try to have a decent knowledge about whether or not or in which cases it's necessary to force treatment upon people. There are good reasons why in most countries this can't force people to take antipsychotics or other forms of treatment onto people until an expert has determined that there is a substantial risk of harm to the patient or others. Disregarding the will of people with mental health disorders is unacceptable except for very few cases. That's why the psychiatrist here wouldn't have done it. Most people do not snap, treatment works best if the patient agrees and there have been studies on schizophrenia that the prognosis is better in countries with less psychiatric treatment, most likely not because psychiatric treatment is bad, but because there are many variables and pushing people to get treatment can be counterproductive. If caregivers feel that they can't deal with it, that's fine, but it doesn't mean that there should be a law to give people to get treatment or that it's always better to get rid of the symptoms. That's sanism at its worst.
Thats a real fear of mine as I can’t see that well that people will lie to me because I can’t see well enough to tell. Anyone who has to rely on others to deal with the world around them has to deal with this fear and people who will do this.
While I'm not fluent or deaf so I'm not familiar with deaf culture and predominantly use ASL words with a mash of spoken english grammar and sign syntax, from what I saw, it was pretty accurate (I have been learning on and off for 7 years). Ofc take that with a grain of salt since I'm not fluent or deaf/hard of hearing but proficient enough to understand what they were saying. I would like to become fluent though and plan to take classes at my university and maybe do some work specifically with deaf/mute individuals in therapy practice (I'm studying to become a therapist). I mostly just need to work on my grammar and diversify my vocabulary a little bit more since I only really look up words when I come across one I'm not familiar with.
@@eilishmclennan6546 From what I got with all the camera angle changing making it difficult to translate word for word and missing some of it but getting the idea of it this is what I got. From what I could tell they use a mixture of spoken English rules and ASL rules so some of it is word for word and others are following ASL grammar more closely (assume this is because he became deaf later in life and also his sister is hearing). 4:00 - that's fine I can continue patience (basically saying he wants to keep the voices or talking about waiting for medication for shoulder, didn't get the first part since it was cut off) 4:08 - they can give medication (didn't get the first part due to camera angle) 4:10 - talking about pain and if it helps 4:22 - something stop give medication 4:25 - yes that. I want it if it can ?help? (pain in shoulder) 5:01 - you took away the voices 6:30 - stop medication for the head not the pain in the shoulder 6:54 - check back in a bit and see how your shoulder feels 7:21 - I can't hear…. (camera angle changes so I can't see what he's signing but he's probably explaining when he realized he couldn't hear the voices anymore) 7:32 - please. I want to hear talking (talking about the voices in his head) 7:40 - talking again (hearing the voices again) 7:48 - what? You lied. 7:59 - how could you do this? (I think he says something like how can you know what makes me happy?) 8:07 - I don't… (Maggie says care).. The voices not real not
I think Dr. Charles is an amazing character. There are many like him although I find that psychiatrists are getting more and more clinical. He does so well with his patients. He has an insight into them because he himself struggles with depression. And he's very good at explaining to people in a way where they understand that they aren't alone and that he's going to help them. I love that when a person asks him if they're crazy he automatically says it's not his favorite word. He does that because there's a lot of stigma attached to that word and a lot of diagnoses can seem like it. And then he proceeds to explain what the person has, what it means, and how he can help them. He's fantastic at laying it all out and not seeming judgmental about it. No matter his personal issues, he always makes his patients feel accepted. Sadly, this is something that is pretty rare in the medical field. I would hope there is someone like him in the real world and that they're doing great work helping others.
@@thegamingnoodle9822 and even if it does there’s normally a dosage change or even change of medication to find the right amount. It took ages for my dr to find the right medication and the right mg to actually stop the voices.
When you're schizophrenic you don't actually HEAR voices, it's a delusion. He was 9 when he lost his hearing so he has the concept of what sounds and voices are.
Were you not listening? He could when he was young so the memory is still present and taking new forms in his mind. It's like when you read in your head. You can't actually hear the words.
but you also would know that just because something does or doesnt work for one person, doesnt mean that it applies to all people. just because meds dont work for you doesnt mean it wouldnt work for someone else. another example would be normal therapy for servicemembers dealing with PTSD. alot of cases where normal counseling worked for some but others utilized more non-traditional therapy which worked wonders for them.
Well, he wasn’t born deaf so he knows what voices sound like. Since these voices were in his head, it doesn’t matter that he was physically deaf, his mind was making him think he was hearing voices
@TheWheelman298 look up the meaning of a sardonic joke and then take a look upwarda so you can count how many times similar references have gone over your head.
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this is why professional interpreters are so important, both for spoken language and for signed language. personal bias is always going to be a threat.
can't you just give a phone/notepad
he's mute/deaf but he can write/read
@@maxmustermann-zx9yq Not if he is disorientated, text does not convey all the details. A doctor will want to SEE and HEAR you first, those are the best tells immediately for any medical diagnosis.
This is why you don't use family to interpret
i get both sides. if it's schzophrenia (sorry no idea how to spell that) than taking away the voices would be good. but then again to be able to hear again...i used to sign for friends who were deaf & i had to make sure i signed exactly what the person said. no matter what. i feel bad for the guy
Schizophrenia (no offence meant love) just trying to help x
You’re right; only with an I in between the H and the Z.
Not necessarily. It's like Aidan was saying about how the voices tell him to do good things. From his point of view, the voices don't hurt him and help him. It doesn't occur to him that it could turn bad at any time. 2/3 schizophrenics are untreated. It's a very complicated disease. When you have voices that make you feel good or that give you warnings (say in the instance of believing that cops are out to get you) then you feel as if you need to keep those voices at all costs. And a lot of schizophrenics don't feel like they are mentally ill. They feel that everyone else is. It's such a complicated disease and there's no foolproof treatment or cure for it as they still don't know what specifically causes it. Dr. Charles is right that Risperidone is usually fast acting but it's not instantaneous. It usually takes between a week to months for it to work. Haldol is the one that is mostly used in hospitals when dealing with someone in psychosis because it's very fast acting. But it also leaves you in a zombie-like state. Also Risperidone can have side effects like tardive dyskinesia. I also see the side of the sister too. It is massively difficult being the caregiver of someone with schizophrenia. Not only can you not force them into treatment but they can go off the deep end at any moment. And most of the treatments can take months to years to work. It's almost like being in hell. I know from personal experience. My boyfriend has it. And then you heard Dr. Charles mention schizoaffective, right? That's both schizophrenia as well as a mood disorder (i.e. depression, anxiety, bipolar, etc.). My boyfriend has that. It's like walking on eggshells and it took me two years to help him to a point where he's not having to go to the hospital anymore. But at this point there's no such thing as normal for him. We have what we call his "new normal". Where as long as he isn't spiraling and going into psychosis we're good. But it's not 100% foolproof. I have strange conversations with him all the time. I feel for the sister and this young man in this clip. Not only does he already have a disability in the form of being deaf but he also now has schizophrenia. That's a bum rap. Hopefully, he can get the help he needs but his sister is in for a rocky road with him and that's after having already been over a rocky road. Hopefully, she'll be strong enough to handle it. If not, he could go downhill.
This guy literally didn’t want the voices to go away and the doctors were fine with that. I agreed that if it’s a physical ailment that the patient it should be a little of that decide if they want treatment or not, but if it is a mental health condition because I have seen so many cases where people have untreated, mental health conditions and they snap and either hurt someone or murder someone I don’t think mental health should be something that people are allowed to say they don’t want to treat your multiple ways to treat certain conditions so people can be allowed to say no I don’t want that particular way of treating this, but the should absolutely have to by law get mental health treated.
There's a lot of misinformation here and before you voice these kinds of opinions here, you should really try to have a decent knowledge about whether or not or in which cases it's necessary to force treatment upon people. There are good reasons why in most countries this can't force people to take antipsychotics or other forms of treatment onto people until an expert has determined that there is a substantial risk of harm to the patient or others. Disregarding the will of people with mental health disorders is unacceptable except for very few cases. That's why the psychiatrist here wouldn't have done it. Most people do not snap, treatment works best if the patient agrees and there have been studies on schizophrenia that the prognosis is better in countries with less psychiatric treatment, most likely not because psychiatric treatment is bad, but because there are many variables and pushing people to get treatment can be counterproductive. If caregivers feel that they can't deal with it, that's fine, but it doesn't mean that there should be a law to give people to get treatment or that it's always better to get rid of the symptoms. That's sanism at its worst.
Thats a real fear of mine as I can’t see that well that people will lie to me because I can’t see well enough to tell. Anyone who has to rely on others to deal with the world around them has to deal with this fear and people who will do this.
yeah
People who use ASL - how was their interpretations in this episode? I'm always curious how (in)accurate such things are.
While I'm not fluent or deaf so I'm not familiar with deaf culture and predominantly use ASL words with a mash of spoken english grammar and sign syntax, from what I saw, it was pretty accurate (I have been learning on and off for 7 years). Ofc take that with a grain of salt since I'm not fluent or deaf/hard of hearing but proficient enough to understand what they were saying. I would like to become fluent though and plan to take classes at my university and maybe do some work specifically with deaf/mute individuals in therapy practice (I'm studying to become a therapist). I mostly just need to work on my grammar and diversify my vocabulary a little bit more since I only really look up words when I come across one I'm not familiar with.
@@oliver_and_stuff so what did she say to her brother instead?
@@eilishmclennan6546 From what I got with all the camera angle changing making it difficult to translate word for word and missing some of it but getting the idea of it this is what I got. From what I could tell they use a mixture of spoken English rules and ASL rules so some of it is word for word and others are following ASL grammar more closely (assume this is because he became deaf later in life and also his sister is hearing).
4:00 - that's fine I can continue patience (basically saying he wants to keep the voices or talking about waiting for medication for shoulder, didn't get the first part since it was cut off)
4:08 - they can give medication (didn't get the first part due to camera angle)
4:10 - talking about pain and if it helps
4:22 - something stop give medication
4:25 - yes that. I want it if it can ?help? (pain in shoulder)
5:01 - you took away the voices
6:30 - stop medication for the head not the pain in the shoulder
6:54 - check back in a bit and see how your shoulder feels
7:21 - I can't hear…. (camera angle changes so I can't see what he's signing but he's probably explaining when he realized he couldn't hear the voices anymore)
7:32 - please. I want to hear talking (talking about the voices in his head)
7:40 - talking again (hearing the voices again)
7:48 - what? You lied.
7:59 - how could you do this? (I think he says something like how can you know what makes me happy?)
8:07 - I don't… (Maggie says care).. The voices not real not
can we all agree that if we where in rough spot in life wed want Charles to help us thourgh
I think Dr. Charles is an amazing character. There are many like him although I find that psychiatrists are getting more and more clinical. He does so well with his patients. He has an insight into them because he himself struggles with depression. And he's very good at explaining to people in a way where they understand that they aren't alone and that he's going to help them. I love that when a person asks him if they're crazy he automatically says it's not his favorite word. He does that because there's a lot of stigma attached to that word and a lot of diagnoses can seem like it. And then he proceeds to explain what the person has, what it means, and how he can help them. He's fantastic at laying it all out and not seeming judgmental about it. No matter his personal issues, he always makes his patients feel accepted. Sadly, this is something that is pretty rare in the medical field. I would hope there is someone like him in the real world and that they're doing great work helping others.
Poor guy
Do anti psychotics even work that fast?
Mine didn’t, it took a few weeks at least for me to feel the full effect.
It would take weeks to a month to reach a therapeutic level
@@thegamingnoodle9822 and even if it does there’s normally a dosage change or even change of medication to find the right amount. It took ages for my dr to find the right medication and the right mg to actually stop the voices.
@thegamingnoodle9822 Thought so. Also how would the patient even know the voices had stopped in such a short amount of time
There are ones that are fast acting. There diffrent to regular anti psychotics
It’s illegal
DID THEY HAVE TO PUSH HIM THAT HARD??
THATS WAT IM SAYING
You can’t be this dumb 😂😂
Deaf people can hear voices? I suppose if it's in your mind, that makes sense.
He wasn't deaf from birth, he had 9 years of hearing before that. He still remembers what voices and speech sound like,
Also people born deaf but "hear voices" see disembodied hands signing at them
When you're schizophrenic you don't actually HEAR voices, it's a delusion. He was 9 when he lost his hearing so he has the concept of what sounds and voices are.
REAL CHICAGO FANS ARE YOU HERE?
HEREEE
Someone get me dr Charles I need my problems solved
Looks like he needs to get some clothes whitening liquid for his doctors coat
He was in a bother video and blind and def
If he’s deaf he can’t hear voices what
Were you not listening? He could when he was young so the memory is still present and taking new forms in his mind. It's like when you read in your head. You can't actually hear the words.
I call bullshit-am 72, been battling mental illness for decades & pills are rarely the answer.😢
but you also would know that just because something does or doesnt work for one person, doesnt mean that it applies to all people. just because meds dont work for you doesnt mean it wouldnt work for someone else. another example would be normal therapy for servicemembers dealing with PTSD. alot of cases where normal counseling worked for some but others utilized more non-traditional therapy which worked wonders for them.
How could he be hearing voices if he’s deaf?
Well, he wasn’t born deaf so he knows what voices sound like. Since these voices were in his head, it doesn’t matter that he was physically deaf, his mind was making him think he was hearing voices
They are hallucinations, he's not actually hearing voices from around him, he's hearing voices from inside his head
are u slow
I don’t know 🤷♂️ at all
Oh Dam I’m earlyyy
I’m too early to watch this😂😂
Fake canman it is camman not canman
7th comment 😊
I am the fifth comment.
First ❤
I don't believe In skitzo I believe it's ghosts
The ghosts don't believe in you. They think they're hallucinating
Take your meds my dude
@TheWheelman298 look up the meaning of a sardonic joke and then take a look upwarda so you can count how many times similar references have gone over your head.