I drove a stock '23 4xe around Olympic in Washington, up and down the mountains about 1000 miles and averaged 25.5 miles per gallon in hybrid. Never had a place to plug it in. Re-gen charging was all I had to utilize. On the Highway I was able to get 26.4mpg. The hybrid system on these are awesome!
I too love my 4xe, 2022 model and I bought it in April 2024, I have now had it for 5 months and put 15,000 kms on it with no issues, absolutely love it. I too would love a Gladiator 4xe, maybe one day
Glad to hear! We still have about 7 months left with our 22 4xe. Hoping incentives will come back up and we can get another one, or possibly a gladiator 4xe if they are out in time. I haven’t heard any updates on gladiator 4xe so not sure if it’s still coming. But, I do know the Jeep Recon full battery electric is coming in 25 so that is another option if it’s not super expensive
@donshoemaker_ you mean the gladiator? Just turned 10k and first oil change in the last few weeks. We’ve had it for almost 8 months now and zero issues. Have 37s on it, RockTrix wheels, and a bunch of other small mods. We turned in this 21 4xe lease to buy the gladiator but we do still have our red 22 rubicon 4xe that will go back in the next couple months.
Nice! Our 2022 model we still have for 10 more months and it’s been good except for an intermittent issue with the gas cap not opening with you hit the button. Sometimes it won’t work for a few days and then it works again. Hasn’t been annoying enough to take it to the dealer, but we’ll have it addressed at next oil change
I’m getting a used Rubicon Unlimited 4xe today. I was a little confused about the Hybrid. Thanks for the video. It is Sting Gray… 20k miles. $38,000. Steal deal. My Salesman called me on it the deal is so awesome. And he knows my Mustang sits too low. I’ve had so many problems with my front bumper hitting things sitting only 2 inches from the pavement. I’m super excited!!!
@@PeakPerformanceEngineering I got on the highway today and it kept telling me “ Electric Mode Temporarily Unavailable “ and kept throwing it in Hybrid. I had 80% electric charge. Do you know why??!
@scottpretopapa7026 it might just need an update. Ours has done that before and time to time usually when it’s colder out but when we take it in for oil change and they flashed updates it took care of it. Join the Facebook Jeep 4xe group. Lots of good info on some of the common issues/quirks found with these.
I am Wrangler shopping and a numbers nerd. It takes conservatively the first 16,000 miles to break even with a charger install, and the delta between the cost of a gallon of gas and the cost of electric for a charge.
Nice! We got lucky our garage already had a 220 outlet for my welder so was able to use that. For me it wasn’t fuel savings, it was the extra 100 horsepower and torque of the 4xe vs the regular turd drivetrain. Being able to chirp all 4 37s is awesome. And actually having passing power on the expressway is very welcome .
I have a 2024 Willy’s 4xe with 20,000 on it now with no issues except for a cracked windshield with gorilla glass lol after 2 months of debating Jeep they replaced it for free $1500 window lol and gave me a 3 year warranty for dents and upholstery, etc for my inconvenience and headaches I’m trying to get the window replaced and said jeep doesn’t treat their customers this way. It was the dealership that refused to replace the glass not jeep themselves. long story short we love jeep
My 22 has gorilla glass and it finally cracked too about 10 months in. Our insurance replaces glass for free, but good to know Jeep came through and replaced it for you.
Normal driving. Apparently it’s a right of passage for all jeeps to have cracked windshields lol. Seems to be a combo of the upright glass and also the body flexing
@@PeakPerformanceEngineering oh no 😞!!! I have the 2023 jeep grand cherokee 4xe ... only 5,000 miles so far - i really enjoy the this car especially the power and electric drive. i dont need the right of passage
Hi, great video 👍and I don't want to disappoint anybody, but I need to tell our story about this car. We have our Wrangler Rubicon (2022) for about 26 months now. It’s my wife car. She is in love with this model and in Belgium you can only buy the hybrid model new. We live in Belgium, no rough terrain, just our street is muddy over 1 mile when it rains. So no off-road adventures done. It drives great, when it is not in the garage for repair. After 1.5 year (about 6.000miles) the aft RH brake caliper seized. (Again, never driven in very muddy conditions or rough terrain.) Around the same time, airco inoperative >> broken wire. Also, it rains inside on the driver and passenger side. Always wet under the floor mat when it is parked in the rain. Now after about 2 years (10.000 miles) the famous death wobble around 60 miles/hour (Again, never driven in very muddy conditions or rough terrain.) >> steering shock absorber replaced and checked alignment. (JEEP advice) And now since about 3 months the car shakes from left to right at stand still and makes a metal sound. It feels like it wants to shift gear, but doesn’t. It doesn’t shake the same every day, sometimes a bit less or more. In electric mode or engine running, park, rev, neutral or drive position, doesn’t matter. It seems to come from the gearbox. The car went to the dealer, and they changed the wire loop to the electric motor in the gearbox (recommended by JEEP) It didn’t fix it. The car stayed at the dealer for 4 weeks, awaiting a solution from JEEP. No result until now. We picked it up 2 days ago (they wanted their free rental cat back). No problem driving it but shacking Steven is still with us 🙄 They await another solution from JEEP and are aiming for the gearbox (really?). So there will be a big chance that they need to replace the complete gearbox…to be continued… We are very disappointed as it is not a cheap car (around €70.000 here) and we already have issues as which make it look a 15-year-old car. (Again, never driven in very muddy conditions or rough terrain.) So far my advice is, look up (we didn’t) what issues u can expect on forums even if you buy it a new one.
Our 2022 is at 34k miles. I’ve not been impressed with Jeep’s dealers but the vehicle has met expectations. It has had a couple minor warranty claims and some recalls, to where I’m considering the extended warranty. But with the electric side covered to 100k we’ll probably roll the dice. It’s not my old 4Runner, for better and worse. The warranty claims: front locker switch stuck in the “locked” position even when unlocked. TrailRecon had the same failure. The steering stabilizer got replaced due to death wobble. And a windshield replacement. Stuff you’d not need a dealer visit to fix in the later years. We intend to keep it around a while.
We still have our red 2022 for another year! I’m hoping I can somehow trade in my 23 gladiator for the new gladiator 4xe that’s coming out :) miss having the extra power when I’m in the gladiator
Great video. Great review. I'm in SW Missouri, retired, looking at Jeeps. My Corvette is getting to hard to get in and out of. So, these Jeeps look great. Question on the charging. What size breaker is required for charging? Looking forward to your review on the Gladiator.
From what I remember the jeep only uses a max of 32 amps for level 2 charging so I believe I installed a 40 amp breaker for mine. I just traded in the gladiator last week for a new 25 Ram. Just wanted the extra room for the family and my triathlon hobby. Jeep Gladiator JT- My 8 Month Review Before Selling th-cam.com/video/sRG3BkPIVxo/w-d-xo.html
I'm retired and use my Gladiator for daily driver transfer stations duty light hauling but seldom do more than 30 miles a day living just a few miles out of town in MT. Due to the way I drive, I was thinking I'd do much of my driving on electric like 80% plus maybe. Hmmm.
Yeah if you can get a 220v outlet to be able to charge, it’ll fully recharge from empty in about 2 hours. So for my wife she can take kids to school and grocery shop and recharge by the time they are out of school and run some more errands, so you can do 50ish miles or more in a day if it’s spread out.
Yeah the power these 4xes have is the best part. I replaced this one with a gladiator and that 3.6 just isn’t the same lol. Really wish they would have offered a 4xe gladiator
What I like most about the 4xE it’s fast, I test drove one and it was in hybrid mode and I really liked it it was fun I didn’t care about the fuel economy I just like that it was fast, so my question is let’s say you drive it all the time in hybrid mode and don’t care about charging the battery or driving it in electric does it stay fast like that all the time? I don’t understand hybrids how they work the whole set up kinda scares me because I do a lot of backcountry travel deep in the wilderness and I’d be terrified of something happening and being stuck out there with no cell phone reception etc. also I have a small modified off-road teardrop trailer I’m wondering how something like that would tow a trailer that’s about 1500 pounds, it feels like it has a ton of power but I would assume it would mostly run in engine mode and probably get about 8 miles per gallon if you’re lucky I don’t know?
We bought ours purely for the performance too! That extra 100hp makes it a fun ride! It should always have the power available even when not charging because it never lets the battery completely discharge and regenerative braking helps keep it slightly charged for the power. But you’ll probably find like us that plugging it in and being able to drive 25ish miles pure electric is awesome. It’ll then recharge with a 220v charger in 2 hours
Wife had an unfortunate accident where her Wrangler Sport 4D inline 6 where it was totaled. She walked away without a scratch. Jumped into the EV Hybrid world with a 2024 Sahara 4XE. Live in North East Indiana. We installed a 2 hour Clipper Creek charger. 4 weeks in and we have been full electric and more than 1/2 tank of dealership gas remaining. We only received the $3640 for tax credit and put it down on a buy. Extended warranty is a must. So we are paying more monthly but love this Jeep much better than our old Sport.
That Rooster really throw me off at first, I live in Brooklyn and thought, and someone actually bought a rooster around here. I use to live in Freehold NJ and had roosters around our house all the time.
24" JLU Rubi 4xe owner here, depending on what state you buy in I was able to get 14% off MSRP and $15K off with incentives. Payment is $400/mo for $71K Jeep MSRP.
That’s awesome! Def wasn’t the case here in Detroit a few months ago when I was looking. Even with our employee discount lease payments were around $650+ What state are you in? Did you just recently pick it up?
@omgcrisbreezy on this one we did $1000 total which $418 of that was the first month payment and then 23 more payments of $418. Keep in mind we get employee discount so that def helps.
The initial cost of these is insane. They depreciate quickly and I’m looking to pick up a 2022 Rubicon 4Xe with 30k miles for under $35k with the sky one too. Have a TRX I picked up for $82k years ago that’s worth $70k. Sell this bad boy and pay cash on the 4Xe and not worry about a car payment for another several years.
I wouldn’t say they depreciate too badly, remember that people are getting 7500 off for the tax credit so that tanks the used car pricing a bit to accommodate that. Also in 2022 the MSRP was thousands cheaper as stellantis kept increasing msrp in 23 and 24. Our 21 4xe had a $56k msrp and our buyout after 3 years was around $35k, but we only paid around $47k for it with discounts and tax credit for example. Our 2022 was the same spec as 21 but it was a few thousand more due to the price increases.
Monthly payments don’t equate to a good deal ón a car. I wish you stated what your out the door price was. I’m currently looking at $48.8k out the door on a brand new 2024 wrangler rubicon 4xe, I’m curious if this is a great price or just good to average for the time. MSRP is $66.4k for reference
How reliable are these things used? I'm eyeing one for 32k but I'll have to trade in my ICE naturally aspirated Mazda 3 for it and I dont know if that drop in reliability is worth it
The battery and hybrid warranty is 8 or 10 years, I forget which, so just make sure you have a few years of warranty. Knock on wood but we had the 2021 for 3 years and are at 2.5 years right now with the 2022 and no big issues with either one. If you go on the jeep 4xe FB groups you only ever hear the bad, but they sell a lot of these and I think for the most part they have been pretty reliable.
I like my Mojave, just wish I could justify regearing to make it faster, or wish they had the 4xe version out. I had heard next year they were offering a 4xe gladiator but it’s gone quiet, so not sure that’s happening or not 🤷
@@PeakPerformanceEngineering as a fellow Mojave owner, I feel your pain. I have the exact same truck you do, except with a manual transmission. That means mine is even more gutless! Hahaha...
Weird... I have a 2020 2 door Rubicon, and I get 22 to 24 mixed economy and as high as 27 on road trips, assuming the fuel gods are watching me. That's with the 2.0T engine, which I love.
Those are awesome numbers. The shorter wheelbase and less weight probably helps. This one had 35s too which didn’t help. Also, I never had the Speedo updated so actual fuel economy probably around 6-8% higher than what the actual numbers showed on Jeep.
@PeakPerformanceEngineering that's right I forgot about the 35s. My wife likes my jeep so much she thinking about getting one in a few years. We have about a 10 Mike commute to work so I'm really eyeballing that 4XE.
Not with the 4xe it has plenty of power to push the 37s. Also this is a rubicon trunk so it already has 4.10s I believe from factory. Now if you had a sport that has the taller gears then yes you may find you need to regear to get the performance back. My 23 gladiator Mojave with stock 4.10s also rocks the same 37s and no issues with the stock 3.6 V6
My 24 4xe will only go for so long until it decides to refresh or something,maybe a week or so doing 20 to 25 a day so maybe they changed something as i could never go 5 or 6 weeks,it simply wont allow it
You only get 23 miles of driving on the battery max, I have one as a rental while my JL is in the shop, and on a full battery it only gets me 23 miles on the battery which is crazy for the price
Probably depends on the algorithm and how flat it is where you are. Here in MI for us, if it’s warm like right now we get around 25 showing. In winter it is closer to 23 usually. I’ve heard on the Jeep 4xe groups on FB that some of the saharas go as high as 28
It’s a hybrid, 25 miles pure electric, but you still have the gas engine to keep going. FCA targeted the 25-28 mile range initially for these because something like 70% of Americans don’t travel farther than this for their commute to work. Gen 2 4xe platform should be hitting the streets in 2026 with more range and more power though.
Toronto, Ontario winter similar to Chicago, almost 3 years the Sky-One Touch looks new. I use 303 Fabric protectant, two coats in the fall, then 2 coats in the spring, and a one coat top up middle summer. The 303 beads the water and makes it dry off faster.
what is a point 4xE to overpay more than $10k instead regular Wrangler? I just checked the prices reliability - no, regular better save gas - no, you over paid $10k+ towing -no, regular better depreciation -no, regular better🤔
You get a $7500 tax credit so it makes it not much more expensive than the gas version. Gas mileage is definitely better, as long as you can use a lot of electric. My wife averages in the 20s right now with our 2022 we still have . For me the big deal was the horsepower. You have about 100hp extra over a regular jeep with the electric motor. Makes it VERY fun to drive
As the owner of a 2023 Gladiator, you will become very friendly with your Neighbourhood gas station. They are pigs on gas. Unless you want the styling, you should have just paid out your lease and bought the 4xe. I hope Jeep up dates the Gladiator with some sort of electrification. I love my Gladiator, but its expensive to run.
I heard there’s a 4xe version coming in 26 when they refresh all the 4xe with next gen. My gladiator with 37s gets around 14-16mpg It’s nice having the truck bed though
This guy is wrong about the MPG. I have a 2023 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 4x8 and I have taken it on a number of road trips, and it pretty consistently gets right at 20 MPG for highway use. And if you're willing to drive 65 mph, then you're going to get more like 24 MPG. If you're going to drive 75 mph, then you're going to get around 18 MPG.
I’m not necessarily wrong, that’s just our experience. 🤷♂️And we drive 80mph here in Michigan. Now my wife gets much better gas mileage than I do. I drive with a heavy foot 🤣 Glad to hear your getting good MPGs. Remember too we also have 37s.
Yep that’s the hard part :( I ended up replacing with the gladiator cause it was a better deal at the time. But I’ve been hearing now that some states are offering like 15-17k off 4xe wranglers. That’s not the case here in Mi unfortunately but might be worth a drive
Nope, it’s a rubicon so already had 4.10s. And being a 4xe it has a crap ton of torque, no need. Our other 4xe rubicon has 37s, no lift and no regearing. My gladiator Mojave also has 4.10s and 37s and plenty of power for driving around, but maybe if you wanted to tow with it, you might want to do the 4.88s or 5.13s.
Do you mind if I ask what you do for a living, to be able to afford two of these? lol. I live in Canada and these go for between 80 to over 100k. I do wish I could afford one.
I work for a semiconductor manufacturer selling into the automotive industry. But the reason we were able to get these was because they were pretty cheap early on. Both this 2021 and our 2022 have around $60k msrp and the lease was only $410/month with only first months payment due. However when I was now looking at 2024s a few months ago, the leases had skyrocketed to 700-800 month for same vehicle. This is why I ended up just buying a leftover 23 gladiator Mojave since they had nice discounts of around $14k off msrp.
Oh yeah, I think it’ll be engine off up to about 80 as long as your not commanding too much throttle. If you try to command throttle beyond a certain point it’ll engage the gas motor
I have a 2024 4xe that I started leasing in March. I went from a 2019 Wrangler Unlimited Sport. I was trying to figure out why i wasn’t getting the gas mileage I thought I should be (especially on a recent long trip). This video cleared that up for me. Thanks for your video! I learned a lot. I wish I would have seen this video sooner.
My sister takes her 17 down real trails and does Jamborees and all that. If you use a Jeep for Jeep stuff; expect failures. She killed her 12 in the woods when her rear main seal went in the worst location on the trail. New one has ate diffs axles and everything else underneath it!
MPGe is the electric mileage when it's in full electric mode. Has nothing to do with the MPG you can expect to get when it's in hybrid or full ICE modes. It's unfortunate that this is such a confusing # for folks who aren't used to what MPGe stands for. And it shouldn't come as a surprise that 49MPGe is on the very low end of MPGe for cars, it is a Jeep after all!
Maybe a dumb question but does it charge the battery at all if you don’t plug it in? I know it has regen braking but will it still have the acceleration and torque if you never charge it? I had a TJ I sold and we now have new Model Y. I’m hoping for a little bit of best worlds when I go shopping in August :) Thanks for the video.
Yes even when it goes to zero for battery, it will still actually be saving some electricity for the extra power boost when going full throttle. In my experience though here in Michigan, I have never seen the regenerative braking be enough to actually charge up the battery back to 1% or more.
NP and good luck shopping! I’m a big fan of the 4xe. The power is awesome and being able to hit trails and do short 25 mile trips completely electric is awesome! You’ll dig it.
I saw that, but it’s still a bit high for a Willy’s compared to what we got these rubicons for. These rubicon 4xes in 21 and 22 were just first months payment down and 418/month for 35 more months. Our red 22 4xe is due back in April so we are within 6 months for early turn in so I’m watching it carefully for deals. Just seems right now all the incentives are on the Willy’s/sports.
Yep we could have bought it. It didn’t make quite make sense though, the buyout was about the same price as my brand new gladiator Mojave, so made sense to go brand new for the same money. Getting almost $15k off MSRP was a good deal. Even now 6 months later my Mojave is still worth around the $40k I paid if I wanted to sell it right now. Our 22 rubicon 4xe goes back in May, so we’ll have to see what the market looks like at that time whether we buy it or get something else.
You def need level 2 charging or this doesn’t make as much sense. Level 2 charges in under 2 hours, so for me and my wife working from home we can get 75 miles in a day sometimes
You’d have to be in a hilly area to get the battery to charge with the regen. Michigan is flat though so no chance unfortunately. My 23 gladiator on 37s gets 14mpg and our red 4xe on the same 37s gets around 18, sometimes as high as 21, just depends how much electric you use vs gas.
Yeah that’s the price you pay if you wanna drive a jeep unfortunately. Heavy and unaerodynamic. But still it’s nice being able to have doors off and top down
@@PeakPerformanceEngineeringabsolutely, they’re one of my favorite vehicles, super capable with military dna, i think once the 4xe technology progresses hopefully the mpg increases by a lot
The all electric jeep recon will be coming soon and will be interesting to see if they make any range improvements with the gladiator 4xe that’s coming next year.
I just turned one of these 4xe's back in to Enterprise after 3 weeks. I would never own one of these. Terrible gas mileage. A fully charged battery will get you about 20 miles. After that, you are using gas with a very heavy vehicle. I do like the 2 liter turbo engine, though. Very peppy.
Did you charge it every day? These only make sense if you have a 220v charger so you can recharge it in 2 hours. The 110v charger is ok for overnight in a pinch, but being able to recharge in a couple hours can really extend the range. Sometimes we can recharge multiple times throughout the day and extend Ev range to 70-80 miles
@@PeakPerformanceEngineering No, I didn't. It was a rental vehicle for me. I usually drive longer than an hour each way to work so this vehicle isn't for me. If one was to drive short distances, it might work.
It’s accurate to however they measure that driving mix, but it’s misleading. It would assume a lot of pure EV driving with a lot of charging. Think of it this way. If you only ever drove 25 miles or less on a full charge, you could theoretically run EV the whole time and achieve huge MPG. The reality is that sometimes you could forget to charge or maybe need to drive more, and the more you rely on the gas engine, the more it pulls down the MPG. The additional horsepower though is amazing and for a heavy wrangler with big tires it’s still doing great. My 23 gladiator on the same 37s only manages 14-16mpg.
@PeakPerformanceEngineering i waa thinking of buy because it is offering 0% intrest deal. I drive 80mp in first 7-1pm than comes home for hour or 2 and than delivery again. I know wrangler for delivery insane but mpg caught my eye
My numbers were probably a little lower than actual since I didn’t have a tazer to account for the 35s, maybe 5-7% off. But I’d say if you’re seeing 24, that’s still taking into account a lot of the all electric driving. Example being when I would drive to Chicago from Detroit and back for work which is 600ish miles round trip, it would drop right down to 18ish because at that point it’s basically a gas vehicle, your only doing 25 miles of the 600 on electric. I also drive 80mph usually which doesn’t help, but here in Detroit area 80mph is commonplace.
What didn’t you like? Guessing if a rental it was a lower level sport/willys? We still have our 2022 Rubi 4xe for another 6 months. Will probably get a JT 4xe when it comes out in 26 as well.
lol whaaaat? I’m just a jeep enthusiast that’s owned a 2018 sport, 21 4xe Rubi, 22 4xe Rubi (still own- lease goes back in April ‘25), and a 23 gladiator Mojave (still own). Our 22 4xe rubicon is same deal, no major issues or problems at all in nearly 3 years, just tire rotations and oil changes. Do/did you have a 4xe that you had a bad experience with?
I drove a stock '23 4xe around Olympic in Washington, up and down the mountains about 1000 miles and averaged 25.5 miles per gallon in hybrid. Never had a place to plug it in. Re-gen charging was all I had to utilize. On the Highway I was able to get 26.4mpg. The hybrid system on these are awesome!
Those are great numbers! 👍 the big tires on ours must be killing it lol.
Just purchased my 2022 Sahara 4xe yesterday, and I am loving it. The ride quality, speed, off road ability, all facilitated by 49 mpg is magnificent.
@@edwardcollins3560 congrats on the new ride!
@@PeakPerformanceEngineering ty!
@edwardcollins3560 any time :)
I too love my 4xe, 2022 model and I bought it in April 2024, I have now had it for 5 months and put 15,000 kms on it with no issues, absolutely love it. I too would love a Gladiator 4xe, maybe one day
Glad to hear! We still have about 7 months left with our 22 4xe. Hoping incentives will come back up and we can get another one, or possibly a gladiator 4xe if they are out in time. I haven’t heard any updates on gladiator 4xe so not sure if it’s still coming. But, I do know the Jeep Recon full battery electric is coming in 25 so that is another option if it’s not super expensive
Good to know you still love it! I just bought a slightly used 2021 4XE and am absolutely LOVING it so far! Thanks for sharing :)
Awesome! We still have our 2022 4xe Rubi for another 10 months. Hopefully we can get another or even a gladiator 4xe would be cool
I just got a 24 Willys 4xe. So far I love it.
Me too
Nice! I’m hoping to get a gladiator 4xe next year
how are you liking it 5 months later?
@donshoemaker_ you mean the gladiator? Just turned 10k and first oil change in the last few weeks. We’ve had it for almost 8 months now and zero issues.
Have 37s on it, RockTrix wheels, and a bunch of other small mods.
We turned in this 21 4xe lease to buy the gladiator but we do still have our red 22 rubicon 4xe that will go back in the next couple months.
I've had mine for 3.5 years only one issue with heating element other then that it's been a joy to own and drive
Nice! Our 2022 model we still have for 10 more months and it’s been good except for an intermittent issue with the gas cap not opening with you hit the button. Sometimes it won’t work for a few days and then it works again. Hasn’t been annoying enough to take it to the dealer, but we’ll have it addressed at next oil change
I’m getting a used Rubicon Unlimited 4xe today. I was a little confused about the Hybrid. Thanks for the video. It is Sting Gray… 20k miles. $38,000. Steal deal. My Salesman called me on it the deal is so awesome. And he knows my Mustang sits too low. I’ve had so many problems with my front bumper hitting things sitting only 2 inches from the pavement. I’m super excited!!!
Congrats! Thats going to be awesome!
@@PeakPerformanceEngineering And thanks to this video… I’m TOTALLY gonna get the soft top! I agree 100%! Thanks again!
@scottpretopapa7026 soft top all the way!!
@@PeakPerformanceEngineering I got on the highway today and it kept telling me “ Electric Mode Temporarily Unavailable “ and kept throwing it in Hybrid. I had 80% electric charge. Do you know why??!
@scottpretopapa7026 it might just need an update. Ours has done that before and time to time usually when it’s colder out but when we take it in for oil change and they flashed updates it took care of it. Join the Facebook Jeep 4xe group. Lots of good info on some of the common issues/quirks found with these.
I am Wrangler shopping and a numbers nerd. It takes conservatively the first 16,000 miles to break even with a charger install, and the delta between the cost of a gallon of gas and the cost of electric for a charge.
Nice! We got lucky our garage already had a 220 outlet for my welder so was able to use that.
For me it wasn’t fuel savings, it was the extra 100 horsepower and torque of the 4xe vs the regular turd drivetrain. Being able to chirp all 4 37s is awesome. And actually having passing power on the expressway is very welcome .
I have a 2024 Willy’s 4xe with 20,000 on it now with no issues except for a cracked windshield with gorilla glass lol after 2 months of debating Jeep they replaced it for free $1500 window lol and gave me a 3 year warranty for dents and upholstery, etc for my inconvenience and headaches I’m trying to get the window replaced and said jeep doesn’t treat their customers this way. It was the dealership that refused to replace the glass not jeep themselves. long story short we love jeep
My 22 has gorilla glass and it finally cracked too about 10 months in. Our insurance replaces glass for free, but good to know Jeep came through and replaced it for you.
do they just crack from normal driving or crack from rocks going off road?
Normal driving. Apparently it’s a right of passage for all jeeps to have cracked windshields lol. Seems to be a combo of the upright glass and also the body flexing
@@PeakPerformanceEngineering oh no 😞!!! I have the 2023 jeep grand cherokee 4xe ... only 5,000 miles so far - i really enjoy the this car especially the power and electric drive. i dont need the right of passage
Hi, great video 👍and I don't want to disappoint anybody, but I need to tell our story about this car.
We have our Wrangler Rubicon (2022) for about 26 months now. It’s my wife car. She is in love with this model and in Belgium you can only buy the hybrid model new. We live in Belgium, no rough terrain, just our street is muddy over 1 mile when it rains. So no off-road adventures done.
It drives great, when it is not in the garage for repair.
After 1.5 year (about 6.000miles) the aft RH brake caliper seized. (Again, never driven in very muddy conditions or rough terrain.)
Around the same time, airco inoperative >> broken wire.
Also, it rains inside on the driver and passenger side. Always wet under the floor mat when it is parked in the rain.
Now after about 2 years (10.000 miles) the famous death wobble around 60 miles/hour (Again, never driven in very muddy conditions or rough terrain.) >> steering shock absorber replaced and checked alignment. (JEEP advice)
And now since about 3 months the car shakes from left to right at stand still and makes a metal sound. It feels like it wants to shift gear, but doesn’t. It doesn’t shake the same every day, sometimes a bit less or more. In electric mode or engine running, park, rev, neutral or drive position, doesn’t matter. It seems to come from the gearbox. The car went to the dealer, and they changed the wire loop to the electric motor in the gearbox (recommended by JEEP) It didn’t fix it. The car stayed at the dealer for 4 weeks, awaiting a solution from JEEP. No result until now. We picked it up 2 days ago (they wanted their free rental cat back). No problem driving it but shacking Steven is still with us 🙄
They await another solution from JEEP and are aiming for the gearbox (really?). So there will be a big chance that they need to replace the complete gearbox…to be continued…
We are very disappointed as it is not a cheap car (around €70.000 here) and we already have issues as which make it look a 15-year-old car. (Again, never driven in very muddy conditions or rough terrain.)
So far my advice is, look up (we didn’t) what issues u can expect on forums even if you buy it a new one.
Great video just got my wife a 24’ 4xe Willy’s she loves it so far .
Nice! 👍
Our 2022 is at 34k miles. I’ve not been impressed with Jeep’s dealers but the vehicle has met expectations. It has had a couple minor warranty claims and some recalls, to where I’m considering the extended warranty. But with the electric side covered to 100k we’ll probably roll the dice. It’s not my old 4Runner, for better and worse.
The warranty claims: front locker switch stuck in the “locked” position even when unlocked. TrailRecon had the same failure. The steering stabilizer got replaced due to death wobble. And a windshield replacement. Stuff you’d not need a dealer visit to fix in the later years.
We intend to keep it around a while.
I think I will buy one after watching this video. Thank you for all the information.
We still have our red 2022 for another year! I’m hoping I can somehow trade in my 23 gladiator for the new gladiator 4xe that’s coming out :) miss having the extra power when I’m in the gladiator
Great video. Great review. I'm in SW Missouri, retired, looking at Jeeps. My Corvette is getting to hard to get in and out of. So, these Jeeps look great. Question on the charging. What size breaker is required for charging? Looking forward to your review on the Gladiator.
From what I remember the jeep only uses a max of 32 amps for level 2 charging so I believe I installed a 40 amp breaker for mine.
I just traded in the gladiator last week for a new 25 Ram. Just wanted the extra room for the family and my triathlon hobby.
Jeep Gladiator JT- My 8 Month Review Before Selling
th-cam.com/video/sRG3BkPIVxo/w-d-xo.html
I'm retired and use my Gladiator for daily driver transfer stations duty light hauling but seldom do more than 30 miles a day living just a few miles out of town in MT. Due to the way I drive, I was thinking I'd do much of my driving on electric like 80% plus maybe. Hmmm.
Yeah if you can get a 220v outlet to be able to charge, it’ll fully recharge from empty in about 2 hours. So for my wife she can take kids to school and grocery shop and recharge by the time they are out of school and run some more errands, so you can do 50ish miles or more in a day if it’s spread out.
Awesome video 👏👏 luck you 😢 never had an issue. My 21 Sahara only had 17k showing stop and start need a service. But I love my jeep 😂😂
Yeah the power these 4xes have is the best part. I replaced this one with a gladiator and that 3.6 just isn’t the same lol. Really wish they would have offered a 4xe gladiator
@@PeakPerformanceEngineering yep. I just watched your purchasing gladiator that’s awesome deal!! You got a best price 👏👏
Yeah I can’t complain, really enjoying it so far too, nice having the truck bed.
What I like most about the 4xE it’s fast, I test drove one and it was in hybrid mode and I really liked it it was fun I didn’t care about the fuel economy I just like that it was fast, so my question is let’s say you drive it all the time in hybrid mode and don’t care about charging the battery or driving it in electric does it stay fast like that all the time? I don’t understand hybrids how they work the whole set up kinda scares me because I do a lot of backcountry travel deep in the wilderness and I’d be terrified of something happening and being stuck out there with no cell phone reception etc. also I have a small modified off-road teardrop trailer I’m wondering how something like that would tow a trailer that’s about 1500 pounds, it feels like it has a ton of power but I would assume it would mostly run in engine mode and probably get about 8 miles per gallon if you’re lucky I don’t know?
We bought ours purely for the performance too! That extra 100hp makes it a fun ride!
It should always have the power available even when not charging because it never lets the battery completely discharge and regenerative braking helps keep it slightly charged for the power.
But you’ll probably find like us that plugging it in and being able to drive 25ish miles pure electric is awesome. It’ll then recharge with a 220v charger in 2 hours
21.3 mpg is the same as my Lexus sedan. Honestly that’s great!
Wife had an unfortunate accident where her Wrangler Sport 4D inline 6 where it was totaled. She walked away without a scratch.
Jumped into the EV Hybrid world with a 2024 Sahara 4XE. Live in North East Indiana.
We installed a 2 hour Clipper Creek charger. 4 weeks in and we have been full electric and more than 1/2 tank of dealership gas remaining.
We only received the $3640 for tax credit and put it down on a buy. Extended warranty is a must. So we are paying more monthly but love this Jeep much better than our old Sport.
Glad to hear! These things are tanks for sure and usually pretty safe
That’s what all PHEVs are like a tank of gas lasts forever! I’d recommend using it up every 1-1.5 months
That Rooster really throw me off at first, I live in Brooklyn and thought, and someone actually bought a rooster around here. I use to live in Freehold NJ and had roosters around our house all the time.
Haha that’s awesome!
24" JLU Rubi 4xe owner here, depending on what state you buy in I was able to get 14% off MSRP and $15K off with incentives. Payment is $400/mo for $71K Jeep MSRP.
That’s awesome! Def wasn’t the case here in Detroit a few months ago when I was looking. Even with our employee discount lease payments were around $650+
What state are you in? Did you just recently pick it up?
That’s insane. How much down did you put to get that kind of monthly payment
@omgcrisbreezy on this one we did $1000 total which $418 of that was the first month payment and then 23 more payments of $418. Keep in mind we get employee discount so that def helps.
$71k?! I’m about to buy a lightly used 2022 4Xe rubicon for less than $35k. That’s $1500 a month in depreciation!
The initial cost of these is insane. They depreciate quickly and I’m looking to pick up a 2022 Rubicon 4Xe with 30k miles for under $35k with the sky one too. Have a TRX I picked up for $82k years ago that’s worth $70k. Sell this bad boy and pay cash on the 4Xe and not worry about a car payment for another several years.
I wouldn’t say they depreciate too badly, remember that people are getting 7500 off for the tax credit so that tanks the used car pricing a bit to accommodate that.
Also in 2022 the MSRP was thousands cheaper as stellantis kept increasing msrp in 23 and 24.
Our 21 4xe had a $56k msrp and our buyout after 3 years was around $35k, but we only paid around $47k for it with discounts and tax credit for example.
Our 2022 was the same spec as 21 but it was a few thousand more due to the price increases.
Monthly payments don’t equate to a good deal ón a car. I wish you stated what your out the door price was. I’m currently looking at $48.8k out the door on a brand new 2024 wrangler rubicon 4xe, I’m curious if this is a great price or just good to average for the time. MSRP is $66.4k for reference
15:00 is it just me or is that flip up door for the USB area where the white cord is plugged into missing?
Look close it’s there, like half inch from touching the lower part of the dash. :)
How reliable are these things used? I'm eyeing one for 32k but I'll have to trade in my ICE naturally aspirated Mazda 3 for it and I dont know if that drop in reliability is worth it
The battery and hybrid warranty is 8 or 10 years, I forget which, so just make sure you have a few years of warranty.
Knock on wood but we had the 2021 for 3 years and are at 2.5 years right now with the 2022 and no big issues with either one.
If you go on the jeep 4xe FB groups you only ever hear the bad, but they sell a lot of these and I think for the most part they have been pretty reliable.
Great review! I'm off to look for the Mojave video to see how you compare them. 😊
I like my Mojave, just wish I could justify regearing to make it faster, or wish they had the 4xe version out. I had heard next year they were offering a 4xe gladiator but it’s gone quiet, so not sure that’s happening or not 🤷
@@PeakPerformanceEngineering as a fellow Mojave owner, I feel your pain. I have the exact same truck you do, except with a manual transmission. That means mine is even more gutless! Hahaha...
Weird... I have a 2020 2 door Rubicon, and I get 22 to 24 mixed economy and as high as 27 on road trips, assuming the fuel gods are watching me. That's with the 2.0T engine, which I love.
Those are awesome numbers. The shorter wheelbase and less weight probably helps. This one had 35s too which didn’t help. Also, I never had the Speedo updated so actual fuel economy probably around 6-8% higher than what the actual numbers showed on Jeep.
@PeakPerformanceEngineering that's right I forgot about the 35s. My wife likes my jeep so much she thinking about getting one in a few years. We have about a 10 Mike commute to work so I'm really eyeballing that 4XE.
That’s the perfect commute distance for it. You could do almost all the work driving on just electric only
I get high end 27-29 on 35 with just one charge.
Did you need to change anything else after putting 37’s on your jeep? I’m wanting 37’s but I heard you need to change gearing.
Not with the 4xe it has plenty of power to push the 37s. Also this is a rubicon trunk so it already has 4.10s I believe from factory. Now if you had a sport that has the taller gears then yes you may find you need to regear to get the performance back.
My 23 gladiator Mojave with stock 4.10s also rocks the same 37s and no issues with the stock 3.6 V6
@@PeakPerformanceEngineering nice! That makes my decision easy. Keep it up!
thanks for the knowledge
Glad it helped!
My 24 4xe will only go for so long until it decides to refresh or something,maybe a week or so doing 20 to 25 a day so maybe they changed something as i could never go 5 or 6 weeks,it simply wont allow it
Yeah maybe one of the updates.
You only get 23 miles of driving on the battery max, I have one as a rental while my JL is in the shop, and on a full battery it only gets me 23 miles on the battery which is crazy for the price
Probably depends on the algorithm and how flat it is where you are. Here in MI for us, if it’s warm like right now we get around 25 showing. In winter it is closer to 23 usually. I’ve heard on the Jeep 4xe groups on FB that some of the saharas go as high as 28
25 Miles range is a deal breaker for so many people. $65k now (12-17-24) $45k new but still no buyers.
It’s a hybrid, 25 miles pure electric, but you still have the gas engine to keep going.
FCA targeted the 25-28 mile range initially for these because something like 70% of Americans don’t travel farther than this for their commute to work.
Gen 2 4xe platform should be hitting the streets in 2026 with more range and more power though.
I go about 3 weeks without fueling up
Nice not having to hit the gas station very much:)
I got the 24 Willys 4xE with one touch soft top. Im a bit worried if it’ll hold up in Chicago winter weather.
A friend of ours has it on her Jeep here in Michigan and it’s been fine so you should be good :)
Toronto, Ontario winter similar to Chicago, almost 3 years the Sky-One Touch looks new.
I use 303 Fabric protectant, two coats in the fall, then 2 coats in the spring, and a one coat top up middle summer.
The 303 beads the water and makes it dry off faster.
@@Davin4xe thanks, I will give that a try.
what is a point 4xE to overpay more than $10k instead regular Wrangler? I just checked the prices
reliability - no, regular better
save gas - no, you over paid $10k+
towing -no, regular better
depreciation -no, regular better🤔
You get a $7500 tax credit so it makes it not much more expensive than the gas version.
Gas mileage is definitely better, as long as you can use a lot of electric. My wife averages in the 20s right now with our 2022 we still have .
For me the big deal was the horsepower. You have about 100hp extra over a regular jeep with the electric motor. Makes it VERY fun to drive
As the owner of a 2023 Gladiator, you will become very friendly with your Neighbourhood gas station. They are pigs on gas. Unless you want the styling, you should have just paid out your lease and bought the 4xe. I hope Jeep up dates the Gladiator with some sort of electrification. I love my Gladiator, but its expensive to run.
I heard there’s a 4xe version coming in 26 when they refresh all the 4xe with next gen.
My gladiator with 37s gets around 14-16mpg
It’s nice having the truck bed though
This guy is wrong about the MPG. I have a 2023 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 4x8 and I have taken it on a number of road trips, and it pretty consistently gets right at 20 MPG for highway use. And if you're willing to drive 65 mph, then you're going to get more like 24 MPG. If you're going to drive 75 mph, then you're going to get around 18 MPG.
I’m not necessarily wrong, that’s just our experience. 🤷♂️And we drive 80mph here in Michigan.
Now my wife gets much better gas mileage than I do. I drive with a heavy foot 🤣
Glad to hear your getting good MPGs. Remember too we also have 37s.
I’m sold, now how to afford it here in late 24’.
Yep that’s the hard part :( I ended up replacing with the gladiator cause it was a better deal at the time. But I’ve been hearing now that some states are offering like 15-17k off 4xe wranglers. That’s not the case here in Mi unfortunately but might be worth a drive
No rubbing even when if flexes ?
Nope, 35s are no prob on the 4xe rubicon. Idk about other models of 4xe cause they have different suspension
Did you regear Jeep to put 35 inch tires on?
Nope, it’s a rubicon so already had 4.10s. And being a 4xe it has a crap ton of torque, no need. Our other 4xe rubicon has 37s, no lift and no regearing.
My gladiator Mojave also has 4.10s and 37s and plenty of power for driving around, but maybe if you wanted to tow with it, you might want to do the 4.88s or 5.13s.
Do you mind if I ask what you do for a living, to be able to afford two of these? lol. I live in Canada and these go for between 80 to over 100k. I do wish I could afford one.
I work for a semiconductor manufacturer selling into the automotive industry.
But the reason we were able to get these was because they were pretty cheap early on. Both this 2021 and our 2022 have around $60k msrp and the lease was only $410/month with only first months payment due.
However when I was now looking at 2024s a few months ago, the leases had skyrocketed to 700-800 month for same vehicle. This is why I ended up just buying a leftover 23 gladiator Mojave since they had nice discounts of around $14k off msrp.
Can you drive at 60 MPH on 100% electric ?
Oh yeah, I think it’ll be engine off up to about 80 as long as your not commanding too much throttle. If you try to command throttle beyond a certain point it’ll engage the gas motor
Yes. If you keep a light foot. If you try to accelerate fast, engine will turn on. At about 65 or 70 up hill, it usually turns on.
Yep and with bigger tires it definitely turns on easier than without
2025 gladiator 4xe confirmed!
Oh heck yeah! Time to trade in lol.
Whats rhe avergae on Hyrid all of the time
Depends how much electric your using. If you just drive say 1k miles without any charging it would be something like 18mpg with the 35s we had on it
TY for a great information.
Welcome :) 🙏
I love to hear the rooster crowd
Do you always drive in 4WD Auto?
I have a 2024 4xe that I started leasing in March. I went from a 2019 Wrangler Unlimited Sport. I was trying to figure out why i wasn’t getting the gas mileage I thought I should be (especially on a recent long trip). This video cleared that up for me. Thanks for your video! I learned a lot. I wish I would have seen this video sooner.
Yep always 4wd auto for 32k miles :)
My daughter just got one. What A BEAUTY 💙
Nice! 👍
We drive low mileage and stay at 38 mpg. Almost all electric.
That’s the way to go! 😎
My sister takes her 17 down real trails and does Jamborees and all that. If you use a Jeep for Jeep stuff; expect failures. She killed her 12 in the woods when her rear main seal went in the worst location on the trail. New one has ate diffs axles and everything else underneath it!
MPGe is the electric mileage when it's in full electric mode. Has nothing to do with the MPG you can expect to get when it's in hybrid or full ICE modes. It's unfortunate that this is such a confusing # for folks who aren't used to what MPGe stands for. And it shouldn't come as a surprise that 49MPGe is on the very low end of MPGe for cars, it is a Jeep after all!
Maybe a dumb question but does it charge the battery at all if you don’t plug it in? I know it has regen braking but will it still have the acceleration and torque if you never charge it? I had a TJ I sold and we now have new Model Y. I’m hoping for a little bit of best worlds when I go shopping in August :)
Thanks for the video.
Yes even when it goes to zero for battery, it will still actually be saving some electricity for the extra power boost when going full throttle.
In my experience though here in Michigan, I have never seen the regenerative braking be enough to actually charge up the battery back to 1% or more.
@@PeakPerformanceEngineering thanks!
NP and good luck shopping! I’m a big fan of the 4xe. The power is awesome and being able to hit trails and do short 25 mile trips completely electric is awesome! You’ll dig it.
Sorry the ride was so loud I couldn't hear you for a bit😂
FYI picked up my 24 Willys 4xe for $360 a month, with $3k down. MSRP of $61K. Incentives are strong as hell right now.
I saw that, but it’s still a bit high for a Willy’s compared to what we got these rubicons for. These rubicon 4xes in 21 and 22 were just first months payment down and 418/month for 35 more months. Our red 22 4xe is due back in April so we are within 6 months for early turn in so I’m watching it carefully for deals. Just seems right now all the incentives are on the Willy’s/sports.
Why not just keep it then why do you have to give it back? Was there not a buyout option when you bought it?
Yep we could have bought it. It didn’t make quite make sense though, the buyout was about the same price as my brand new gladiator Mojave, so made sense to go brand new for the same money. Getting almost $15k off MSRP was a good deal. Even now 6 months later my Mojave is still worth around the $40k I paid if I wanted to sell it right now.
Our 22 rubicon 4xe goes back in May, so we’ll have to see what the market looks like at that time whether we buy it or get something else.
Dang that rooster he was on que 120 v take 8 or 9 hrs screams or if your not plugged in your just carrying 600lbs of batteries scream.
You def need level 2 charging or this doesn’t make as much sense. Level 2 charges in under 2 hours, so for me and my wife working from home we can get 75 miles in a day sometimes
Bring. Back. The. Diesel.
Never had one but the people that do seem to love them in their jeeps.
18 mpg is horrible how the heck doesn't the battery charge while you drive it?
You’d have to be in a hilly area to get the battery to charge with the regen. Michigan is flat though so no chance unfortunately.
My 23 gladiator on 37s gets 14mpg and our red 4xe on the same 37s gets around 18, sometimes as high as 21, just depends how much electric you use vs gas.
@@PeakPerformanceEngineering thats not the best you’re very chill about it, I’m so cheap if i don’t get 30 mpg at least I’m gutted
Yeah that’s the price you pay if you wanna drive a jeep unfortunately. Heavy and unaerodynamic. But still it’s nice being able to have doors off and top down
@@PeakPerformanceEngineeringabsolutely, they’re one of my favorite vehicles, super capable with military dna, i think once the 4xe technology progresses hopefully the mpg increases by a lot
The all electric jeep recon will be coming soon and will be interesting to see if they make any range improvements with the gladiator 4xe that’s coming next year.
My daughter has one. Meh... Not enough range & motor won't charge battery pak.
I just turned one of these 4xe's back in to Enterprise after 3 weeks. I would never own one of these. Terrible gas mileage. A fully charged battery will get you about 20 miles. After that, you are using gas with a very heavy vehicle. I do like the 2 liter turbo engine, though. Very peppy.
Did you charge it every day? These only make sense if you have a 220v charger so you can recharge it in 2 hours. The 110v charger is ok for overnight in a pinch, but being able to recharge in a couple hours can really extend the range.
Sometimes we can recharge multiple times throughout the day and extend Ev range to 70-80 miles
@@PeakPerformanceEngineering No, I didn't. It was a rental vehicle for me. I usually drive longer than an hour each way to work so this vehicle isn't for me. If one was to drive short distances, it might work.
So 49mpg is not accurate. Doordash driver
It’s accurate to however they measure that driving mix, but it’s misleading. It would assume a lot of pure EV driving with a lot of charging. Think of it this way. If you only ever drove 25 miles or less on a full charge, you could theoretically run EV the whole time and achieve huge MPG. The reality is that sometimes you could forget to charge or maybe need to drive more, and the more you rely on the gas engine, the more it pulls down the MPG.
The additional horsepower though is amazing and for a heavy wrangler with big tires it’s still doing great.
My 23 gladiator on the same 37s only manages 14-16mpg.
@PeakPerformanceEngineering i waa thinking of buy because it is offering 0% intrest deal. I drive 80mp in first 7-1pm than comes home for hour or 2 and than delivery again. I know wrangler for delivery insane but mpg caught my eye
@PeakPerformanceEngineering thank you
@digitalcamaraderie5685 it recharges with a 220v charger in about 2 hours. So you could probably do about 60-65 miles of your daily commute pure Ev.
Prices have changed. Just bought by wife a 2024 4xe 48,000. Way below invoice.
Nice. A sport or Willy’s I assume?
It was so loud I barely can hear you when you were driving
Sorry, I wasn’t able to use a mic for this video, it ended up breaking and I was still waiting for the new replacement to arrive
That's BS I get 24 on long trips single charge if you drive it .
My numbers were probably a little lower than actual since I didn’t have a tazer to account for the 35s, maybe 5-7% off.
But I’d say if you’re seeing 24, that’s still taking into account a lot of the all electric driving.
Example being when I would drive to Chicago from Detroit and back for work which is 600ish miles round trip, it would drop right down to 18ish because at that point it’s basically a gas vehicle, your only doing 25 miles of the 600 on electric.
I also drive 80mph usually which doesn’t help, but here in Detroit area 80mph is commonplace.
No way that you loved it. I just rented one for a week in Grand Teton. What a piece of crap.
What didn’t you like? Guessing if a rental it was a lower level sport/willys?
We still have our 2022 Rubi 4xe for another 6 months. Will probably get a JT 4xe when it comes out in 26 as well.
@@PeakPerformanceEngineering Sahara. The only thing I liked was the 23 mpg we got after putting 1000 miles on it in the park.
not worth the money ....
Compared to what?
This guy is a jeep car dealer. Lies
lol whaaaat? I’m just a jeep enthusiast that’s owned a 2018 sport, 21 4xe Rubi, 22 4xe Rubi (still own- lease goes back in April ‘25), and a 23 gladiator Mojave (still own).
Our 22 4xe rubicon is same deal, no major issues or problems at all in nearly 3 years, just tire rotations and oil changes.
Do/did you have a 4xe that you had a bad experience with?
That sure as hell doesn’t look like metro Detroit to me
@@peterdaniel66 Im a bit north and west of the concrete jungle. In Commerce Twp. Grew up in Hazel Park.
Where you at?