You may have something there, and thanks for that, you have given me another viable possibility for me to jot down on my note pad.. Once he is up and running in the new house I will be putting all comments to him that seem reasonable.. Cheers my friend have a great weekend all the best. Ps.. your recent videos have been very good in illustrating power to linear's, keep up the good work. 73
Hi Gazza, I think there was something definitely wrong with the linear.. although it was a brand new linear that doesn't mean to say it's working ok.. I've bought dud shizzle before.. lol 😂 😂
Definitely turn the echo off and check the patch lead between the amp as sometimes it’s the simple things that cause problems..it sounds as it’s being over driven though?
The video was very long this is just a clip from a 1 hour thirty five minute video.. the echo was turned off and modulation turned down.. and at this point in the video everything was turned up as part of the testing.. it was only when the linear was taken out of line altogether the modulation was ok, so I think his linear was the issue.. I have made some comments in the description below. Thanks for your input it is much appreciated.
When you say boom Mike is it amplified Mike or compression vs ceramic mike cart Next thing she, style of radio and or amp I have a 50 year old two pill that most likely has little or no bias for sideband and possibly needs recapping if to be ssb used similar sound my locals say more noticeable than those at 40 mile away they don't hear the intricacies the locals
@@georgegetterdone896 it was an amplified boom mic but the standard mic did the same thing.. the radio is a new Anytone Ares 2.. he was three miles away from me and another station who was 35 miles away could hear the audio was not good.. also at no point was the linear being overdriven a quarter watt and five watt input was used no more.. (scratches head) 🤷🏼♂️
@@DeltaXray444 I have seen many of those ares being u tubed but few presenters dwell on the echo the echo may be the pivot point if that model radio can have echo shut off try that the only other possibility is the radio has several harmonic points back feeding
My first answer on a postcard is turn that echo off as although it is nowhere near as bad with the linear out of line i am sat here with headphones on and I can still here him clipping although that could just be the recording.That is definitely harmonic distortion of sorts,almost like a Earthing issue or a mains born problem but if both are new obviously that linear is at fault or whatever powering it up is.
Hey buddy, Judging by the majority of replies and the amount of times the echo has been mentioned I don't think many people took time out to read the description or spotted what I wrote below about the echo. This is nine minutes of an hour and a half video the echo was turned up deliberately as was the modulation as part of the testing to try and break down what was occurring and when.. for the most part his echo was off and the modulation at a good level, we were trying all sorts of scenarios to fathom out the problem.. You bring up two very good points which I have noted and written down to go back and address once my friend has set up his station again when settled in his new home.., You give good observations and I think you may be right about the supply and linear, We will see once he gets his test meter out and runs through it.. Thanks and your comment is much appreciated. Stay blessed.
@@DeltaXray444 Yeah i read the description over tea and toast this morning,you will have to let us know how he gets on.I’m having a few issues with noise from my solar array,all 4kw plus of it.😂
Lordy I don't envy you, in my last place in Munich Germany I had solar panels I couldn't do nothing about it. 30 plus night and day .. I was off the air for five years until I moved back to the UK.. it felt like my arms and legs had been cut off.. like when the internet goes down 😂😂 I'll deffo let you know the outcome im just glad it's not my problem but I do feel sorry for the guy.. what a palaver hey.
@@DeltaXray444 This is fortunately just during the day and only on the beam,as soon as the power drops to around 800w it’s usable.I got zero issues with it plonked in the middle of the garden.Problem is where it is now i actually concreted the mast in so it’s going to be a pain to move.
@@gtretroworld well at least you have a reprieve from the panels during the night.. I would really dislike it that way though as I prefer daytime DX.. My major problem was I was renting roof space apartment and the panels were directly above my head by literally inches so I had it bad.. I suppose I could have gone out but I didn't drive out there and work was taking up most of my time.. There are some kinds of RF that are difficult to get rid of or even reduce so I wish you well and hope it works out for you.
Many thanks my friend, as soon as I watched your video I had a feeling the NPC would be the cause.. You video should be watched by everyone that owns the Ares 2 and other radios that use a similar function.. It's very strange isn't it when you click a switch and thinking it will help and yet it literally destroys audio.. it's not a function many people would think would make a major difference but we live and learn. Thanks again I learnt a lot from this.. 10/10 to you sir.
Hi, we finally got down to the issue causing the problem, in the NRC function it can be set to reduce incoming noise on the band and a further setting that can be set for noise cancellation on the mic, it was the noise cancellation option causing the issue.. once the NRC function was turned off completely the radio performed ok.. I was watching a TH-cam channel called Scott's Radios in the USA who covered this exact problem.. once the NRC function was enabled he showed the same issue when a linear was put in line and illustrated it on his meters.. then he showed the difference with the function turned off with the linear in line.. I would never have guessed that would cause such a dramatic problem.. so credit goes to Mike at Scott's Radios. Thank you for your comment it is much appreciated.
Hi George, I wrote in the description the entire situation covering all aspects including the audio, this is around nine minutes of a one and a half hour video, the echo and modulation was turned up on purpose to see what the results would be, most of the time through testing and trying to find what the problem was both were set to normal.. also in the description I mentioned many things about the issue and that the radio and linear were using there own separate power supplies which were more than adequate. Hope life is treating you good stay blessed.
@@DeltaXray444 yes doing ok over here my van finally on last legs over 500 to 600 thousand miles and we are third owner last straw. Power steering motor rusted off the frame and dropped to road needless to say we needed replacement XYL never said word last few months and I was left to use taxi and medical transport for longest out of town Dr appoints then yesterday she frantically on phone with like three different callers then gone from house about 6 hours when she came back she was driving newer Ford f150 XRT crew cab with tarped bed step rails shining in what sun we see with this smoke floating Pitch black pin lined not sure of age she won't tell me but it appears well kept
@@georgegetterdone896 there is an old saying here in the UK "a second class ride is better than a first class walk" I always reminded my mates of that when giving them a lift in the rain when they would call my banger of a car.. I think your last motor was definitely in need of an upgrade after half a million miles, that is further to the moon and back.. may she rust in pieces 😂
@@DeltaXray444 funny thing in truth the xyl got the car shop to take it in trade!!!! The motor was like fimne swiss watch she grew up on farm where she under her father guidance knew symptoms before they became issues and maintain her vehicles well she picked up two jeeps driving well but had silent issues she has good side on one of the best maintenance shops and got them fixed up took almost year but they also have life left in them she could feel transmission on one before symptoms and the shop was able to rebuild rather than replace if she was not on the did able list like me they have said she would have job there🙈🤣🤣
@@georgegetterdone896 😂😂😂 That's funny.. maybe I could hire her so she can use her sixth sense to warn me before the next time I blow a linear or radio up lol.. do her talents stretch as far as the radio hobby she could save us a whole lot of money 😂😂😂
I agree, it doesn't help when testing, still it's a strange thing it clipped the modulation when in bypass mode.. I've no idea why that would happen. 🤷🏼♂️
@@georgegetterdone896 even when the linear was not switched on and disconnected from the supply but still online unpowered the problem was still there.. which is strange.. it was only when the linear was taken away completely and totally disconnected and put to one side the modulation was all good.. I think it has something to do with the linear being inline.. it's an odd one for sure.
@@DeltaXray444 sounds like a shielding issue within the amp you be surprised what a loss of shielding will do but in my opinion radio and mic alone still sounded questionable the echo response is it adjustable or built into that mic ssb does not lend itself to echo equipt very well very touchy factory installed echo is best option since add on is set for almost any radio no matter the sensitivity
@@georgegetterdone896 without hands on to see I wouldn't know about the shielding, the echo is built into the radio.. this is around nine minutes of an hour and half video.. the echo wasn't on all the time and only on and turned up when testing for a short time.. it's all in the description below.. I don't think anyone took the time to read it.
I think it depends on the set up.. personally through trial and error I think mismatched jumper lengths can be a bigger issue, I use nine foot jumpers on my set-up but that can change depending on which antenna I use and what the analyser is showing.. I think it's horses for courses and different results for most people.. but I do get your point.. Btw im not sure what length jumpers my friend in the video was using although I don't think jumper lengths would be causing the problem he had.. it's a strange one for sure.. thanks for your comment and stay blessed enjoy your weekend.
Could it be a failing PSU, a weaking PSU might be a capacitor dieing or the PSU main transistor I personally would have removed the linear out of line altogether to make sure it wasn't the linear
Hey pal.. this was mentioned in conversation between us that the linear's supply may not be giving enough juice and may be down on power.. that's where the conversation left off.. I guess it's something he could check with a meter and I will remind him, (by the way did you read the description).. He is in the process of moving house right now so probably won't be able to check anything until he is back up and running but also I am in contact with him and I'll give him a reminder to do that once he is settled into the new home, thanks for your input..
@@lambrettadave7 it was tested inline on and off in standby mode causing the same problem .. it was only when it was unhooked and removed out of line altogether the audio became normal again.
@@DeltaXray444 ok might be silly but Ian’s got it set ssb on the Amp ? I try with standard mic too so don’t over drive it , like you say could be a bad Amp maybe try it on another radio , very frustrating I know send Ian my regards when get him next he used blast over to me I really struggle hear him now
@@mattyfraser9487 it does the same thing on his Kenwood too.. He is on a wire at the moment and moving house he hasn't got his antenna up at the new place.. it's mind boggling sometimes Matt the issues we have.. I just think it's a dud linear 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
@@mattyfraser9487 that's a good question pal, I will email him later and ask him.. tbh im not sure what sort of wire he has up.. although I know it covers 10 through 40.. I would imagine it would cover less than 180 watts 🤔🤔
Hi.. Scott's radio's did a video citing the issues with NPC I asked him if he thought this could be the problem as he watched this video. After turning off the NPC the problem went away.. who would have thought 🤷🏼♂️
Many things the comments are saying are covered in the description.. im starting to feel like "Deja vu" 😂
I would check some of the soldering points inside the linear. Could be some components are not properly grounded to the pcb.
You may have something there, and thanks for that, you have given me another viable possibility for me to jot down on my note pad..
Once he is up and running in the new house I will be putting all comments to him that seem reasonable..
Cheers my friend have a great weekend all the best.
Ps.. your recent videos have been very good in illustrating power to linear's, keep up the good work. 73
🤨 When it's all figured out please let us know what the issue was! Good luck.
Hi Gazza, I think there was something definitely wrong with the linear.. although it was a brand new linear that doesn't mean to say it's working ok.. I've bought dud shizzle before.. lol 😂 😂
Definitely turn the echo off and check the patch lead between the amp as sometimes it’s the simple things that cause problems..it sounds as it’s being over driven though?
The video was very long this is just a clip from a 1 hour thirty five minute video.. the echo was turned off and modulation turned down.. and at this point in the video everything was turned up as part of the testing.. it was only when the linear was taken out of line altogether the modulation was ok, so I think his linear was the issue.. I have made some comments in the description below. Thanks for your input it is much appreciated.
When you say boom Mike is it amplified Mike or compression vs ceramic mike cart
Next thing she, style of radio and or amp I have a 50 year old two pill that most likely has little or no bias for sideband and possibly needs recapping if to be ssb used similar sound my locals say more noticeable than those at 40 mile away they don't hear the intricacies the locals
@@georgegetterdone896 it was an amplified boom mic but the standard mic did the same thing.. the radio is a new Anytone Ares 2.. he was three miles away from me and another station who was 35 miles away could hear the audio was not good.. also at no point was the linear being overdriven a quarter watt and five watt input was used no more.. (scratches head) 🤷🏼♂️
@@DeltaXray444 I have seen many of those ares being u tubed but few presenters dwell on the echo the echo may be the pivot point if that model radio can have echo shut off try that the only other possibility is the radio has several harmonic points back feeding
@@georgegetterdone896 refer to my other answer.. thanks 👍
My first answer on a postcard is turn that echo off as although it is nowhere near as bad with the linear out of line i am sat here with headphones on and I can still here him clipping although that could just be the recording.That is definitely harmonic distortion of sorts,almost like a Earthing issue or a mains born problem but if both are new obviously that linear is at fault or whatever powering it up is.
Hey buddy, Judging by the majority of replies and the amount of times the echo has been mentioned I don't think many people took time out to read the description or spotted what I wrote below about the echo.
This is nine minutes of an hour and a half video the echo was turned up deliberately as was the modulation as part of the testing to try and break down what was occurring and when.. for the most part his echo was off and the modulation at a good level, we were trying all sorts of scenarios to fathom out the problem..
You bring up two very good points which I have noted and written down to go back and address once my friend has set up his station again when settled in his new home..,
You give good observations and I think you may be right about the supply and linear,
We will see once he gets his test meter out and runs through it..
Thanks and your comment is much appreciated. Stay blessed.
@@DeltaXray444 Yeah i read the description over tea and toast this morning,you will have to let us know how he gets on.I’m having a few issues with noise from my solar array,all 4kw plus of it.😂
Lordy I don't envy you, in my last place in Munich Germany I had solar panels I couldn't do nothing about it. 30 plus night and day .. I was off the air for five years until I moved back to the UK.. it felt like my arms and legs had been cut off.. like when the internet goes down 😂😂
I'll deffo let you know the outcome im just glad it's not my problem but I do feel sorry for the guy.. what a palaver hey.
@@DeltaXray444 This is fortunately just during the day and only on the beam,as soon as the power drops to around 800w it’s usable.I got zero issues with it plonked in the middle of the garden.Problem is where it is now i actually concreted the mast in so it’s going to be a pain to move.
@@gtretroworld well at least you have a reprieve from the panels during the night.. I would really dislike it that way though as I prefer daytime DX..
My major problem was I was renting roof space apartment and the panels were directly above my head by literally inches so I had it bad..
I suppose I could have gone out but I didn't drive out there and work was taking up most of my time..
There are some kinds of RF that are difficult to get rid of or even reduce so I wish you well and hope it works out for you.
Glad you got it all sorted out. NPC is nasty 😉
Many thanks my friend, as soon as I watched your video I had a feeling the NPC would be the cause.. You video should be watched by everyone that owns the Ares 2 and other radios that use a similar function.. It's very strange isn't it when you click a switch and thinking it will help and yet it literally destroys audio.. it's not a function many people would think would make a major difference but we live and learn.
Thanks again I learnt a lot from this.. 10/10 to you sir.
Excessive audio levels, RFI problems?🤔 Ferrite clip ons may help...
Hi, we finally got down to the issue causing the problem, in the NRC function it can be set to reduce incoming noise on the band and a further setting that can be set for noise cancellation on the mic, it was the noise cancellation option causing the issue.. once the NRC function was turned off completely the radio performed ok..
I was watching a TH-cam channel called Scott's Radios in the USA who covered this exact problem.. once the NRC function was enabled he showed the same issue when a linear was put in line and illustrated it on his meters.. then he showed the difference with the function turned off with the linear in line.. I would never have guessed that would cause such a dramatic problem.. so credit goes to Mike at Scott's Radios. Thank you for your comment it is much appreciated.
@@DeltaXray444that would make sense, as the NG or noise gate is a mic compressor circuit. I've got a CRT SS-6900V7 and have never used that function.
First thing cut back echo response ask if is using heavy enough amperage supply and to both Pieces
Hi George, I wrote in the description the entire situation covering all aspects including the audio, this is around nine minutes of a one and a half hour video, the echo and modulation was turned up on purpose to see what the results would be, most of the time through testing and trying to find what the problem was both were set to normal.. also in the description I mentioned many things about the issue and that the radio and linear were using there own separate power supplies which were more than adequate.
Hope life is treating you good stay blessed.
@@DeltaXray444 yes doing ok over here my van finally on last legs over 500 to 600 thousand miles and we are third owner last straw. Power steering motor rusted off the frame and dropped to road needless to say we needed replacement XYL never said word last few months and I was left to use taxi and medical transport for longest out of town Dr appoints then yesterday she frantically on phone with like three different callers then gone from house about 6 hours when she came back she was driving newer Ford f150 XRT crew cab with tarped bed step rails shining in what sun we see with this smoke floating
Pitch black pin lined not sure of age she won't tell me but it appears well kept
@@georgegetterdone896 there is an old saying here in the UK "a second class ride is better than a first class walk"
I always reminded my mates of that when giving them a lift in the rain when they would call my banger of a car..
I think your last motor was definitely in need of an upgrade after half a million miles, that is further to the moon and back.. may she rust in pieces 😂
@@DeltaXray444 funny thing in truth the xyl got the car shop to take it in trade!!!! The motor was like fimne swiss watch she grew up on farm where she under her father guidance knew symptoms before they became issues and maintain her vehicles well she picked up two jeeps driving well but had silent issues she has good side on one of the best maintenance shops and got them fixed up took almost year but they also have life left in them she could feel transmission on one before symptoms and the shop was able to rebuild rather than replace if she was not on the did able list like me they have said she would have job there🙈🤣🤣
@@georgegetterdone896
😂😂😂 That's funny.. maybe I could hire her so she can use her sixth sense to warn me before the next time I blow a linear or radio up lol.. do her talents stretch as far as the radio hobby she could save us a whole lot of money 😂😂😂
I would say a few things but sure you covered it already. Needs to turn the echo off when testing with you. makes it harder.
I agree, it doesn't help when testing, still it's a strange thing it clipped the modulation when in bypass mode.. I've no idea why that would happen. 🤷🏼♂️
@@DeltaXray444bypass mode not fully engaged
@@georgegetterdone896 even when the linear was not switched on and disconnected from the supply but still online unpowered the problem was still there.. which is strange.. it was only when the linear was taken away completely and totally disconnected and put to one side the modulation was all good.. I think it has something to do with the linear being inline.. it's an odd one for sure.
@@DeltaXray444 sounds like a shielding issue within the amp you be surprised what a loss of shielding will do but in my opinion radio and mic alone still sounded questionable the echo response is it adjustable or built into that mic ssb does not lend itself to echo equipt very well very touchy factory installed echo is best option since add on is set for almost any radio no matter the sensitivity
@@georgegetterdone896 without hands on to see I wouldn't know about the shielding, the echo is built into the radio.. this is around nine minutes of an hour and half video.. the echo wasn't on all the time and only on and turned up when testing for a short time.. it's all in the description below.. I don't think anyone took the time to read it.
Never use a 3-foot jumper between the radio and the linear, I switched to a 12 ft jumper and everything works fine.
I think it depends on the set up.. personally through trial and error I think mismatched jumper lengths can be a bigger issue, I use nine foot jumpers on my set-up but that can change depending on which antenna I use and what the analyser is showing.. I think it's horses for courses and different results for most people.. but I do get your point..
Btw im not sure what length jumpers my friend in the video was using although I don't think jumper lengths would be causing the problem he had.. it's a strange one for sure.. thanks for your comment and stay blessed enjoy your weekend.
Could it be a failing PSU, a weaking PSU might be a capacitor dieing or the PSU main transistor I personally would have removed the linear out of line altogether to make sure it wasn't the linear
Hey pal.. this was mentioned in conversation between us that the linear's supply may not be giving enough juice and may be down on power.. that's where the conversation left off.. I guess it's something he could check with a meter and I will remind him, (by the way did you read the description)..
He is in the process of moving house right now so probably won't be able to check anything until he is back up and running but also I am in contact with him and I'll give him a reminder to do that once he is settled into the new home, thanks for your input..
@@DeltaXray444 in the description I got the feeling that the amp was just switched off and not taken out of line
@@lambrettadave7
it was tested inline on and off in standby mode causing the same problem .. it was only when it was unhooked and removed out of line altogether the audio became normal again.
Is the amplifier and radio on the same power supply ? Sounds to me like drawing too many amps for the power supply
Hi Matty.. they have there own separate supplies.. that was the first thing I asked.. 🤷🏼♂️
@@DeltaXray444 ok might be silly but Ian’s got it set ssb on the Amp ? I try with standard mic too so don’t over drive it , like you say could be a bad Amp maybe try it on another radio , very frustrating I know send Ian my regards when get him next he used blast over to me I really struggle hear him now
@@mattyfraser9487 it does the same thing on his Kenwood too..
He is on a wire at the moment and moving house he hasn't got his antenna up at the new place.. it's mind boggling sometimes Matt the issues we have.. I just think it's a dud linear 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
@@DeltaXray444 can his wire take the power ? Mine I use only can take 100 watts I only use it on 40 m so I can push that anyway
@@mattyfraser9487 that's a good question pal, I will email him later and ask him.. tbh im not sure what sort of wire he has up.. although I know it covers 10 through 40.. I would imagine it would cover less than 180 watts 🤔🤔
NPC... Turn it OFF. It does not work well in these radios, especially in SSB mode. This will help a lot. They are really clean with NPC OFF.
Hi.. Scott's radio's did a video citing the issues with NPC I asked him if he thought this could be the problem as he watched this video.
After turning off the NPC the problem went away.. who would have thought 🤷🏼♂️