Fun fact, That's actually a reference to SMT Nocturne! There's a pixie that joins the main character in the very beginning of the game in Nocturne and if you bring it all the way to the end you can enhance it and give it megidolaon!
Btw all of this Pixies costs are 0 SP. I know cause I died 40 times in peaceful to drain her gigantic SP bar only to realize she casts megidolaon and diarahan anyways as a middle finger to the player.
i think elizabeth is only so strong because of the contract forged between makoto and igor, she probably cant force nyx to abide by her rules without a contract
@@patrinizer346”Nyx is the name right? Well one of my students and associates was telling me about how you were running this whole, “Salvation” thing. And I must say I’m not happy how you are running your operation. It’s not good for the consumers. That being said he sent me to talk to you, as well as convince you….”
@@Seegrump it is a bad design if you only can beat the super boss with specific way on my 1st playthrought in any games, it always more fun if you play it blindly without any guide and figures thing yourself. The idea of all you 100+ hours playgame to only be walled by superboss that cant be beaten by bruteforce and only specific way made you feel like wasted all those 100+ h you spent man. for example, in octohpath traveler 1, the secret boss can be beaten by bruteforce but it took me 30-40minutes something to beat that, but if you use specific way you can beat that boss in under 10min in dragon quest 11, if you bruteforce the final boss it could take 20-30min, but there is a way to beat that boss in 3min using specific way' even in this video he made all the persona lv 99 with 99stats, there is no way regular player for 1st playthrough gonna do all those farming man it was like they made fun of all the hours you spent to play as u wanted(build,persona etc) to be wallled by this stupid design boss. I really hate gatekeeper boss like this. It made me feel all my persona build feel useless lmao. Can't have persona with drain/null while the boss can do 999999999damage using pixie, what a hilarious way to throw rock salt into your wound lol
This is why I prefer 5s velvet attendant fights. They don’t care if you bring personas with null/reflect/ absorb skills or a team. You will need it. Atleast this one she’s not completely ridiculous… unlike her sister in portable
i have not looked into this fight and went in blind with messiah assuming i’d do decent. she insta killed me with medidolaon, once taking out my enduring soul, the other killing me. i am only now realizing what i got myself into
Same thing here. I never got to fight her in the Original version or the P3P. The Elizabeth fight vs the Twins fight is wild. I willl not be able to defeat her this run.
@@KDThreeSixtySo the first time i tried fighting her blind i didnt even get a second turn. i went in with Satan as my initial persona and first turn i hit her with debilitate. Then she attacked with inferno and a physical. unfortunately she crit on the physical which dropped me and skipped my turn. then she opened with Diamond dust which was repelled by Satan and blocked by her immunity. then she immediately diarahan and hit me with a 9999 Megidolan. i literally didnt get a chance to do any damage to her.
Another option for footwear are the Shoes of Bane, purchasable from Tanaka on 11/29. These nullify dark type instant kills and Liz… actually doesn’t care if you do that because it’s an accessory. But this is perfect for not having to worry about Die for Me!
Finally beat her. On peaceful tho I swear, the rules are the real enemy. One time she froze me and then i absorbed her attack, then she shocked me and the same happened. I too miss clicked by the end (like she'd 12000HP) and activated the 10000HP instakill without endure
I beat her on peaceful, too. And this is without optimal personas setups, my setup was FAR from being tailored towards Lizzy fight, but i knew her patterns and how to adapt accordingly to her attacks and so on. Ive seen people do major damages to her on Merciless with some of the best personas you could possibly fuse, but im not into all of these mutation rng shit nor spend hours pr days fusing personas spesifically for her fight. Regardless, its a win in my book and it sure was tough without optimal personas, even on peaceful.
To add, i actually did way lower damage than you did in this video KD on peaceful LMFAO. But i had to adjust the difficulty so i could atleast feel as if the fight was me carrying maxed out personas. Best in mind that alot of my personas had 50-70 en and ag.
When I got to fusing Orpheus Telos, let's just say the only moves other than Morning Star he could learn were all Physical moves. This felt easier in P3P, because my Orpheus Telos there had Mind Charge (Concentrate) with Niflheim (Diamond Dust), Ragnarok (Inferno), Panta Rhei & Thunder Reign. It resisted everything & had elemental moves.
Finally beat Elizabeth. I couldn't fuse Orpheus Telos, because I couldn't fuse Metatron, because I couldn't fuse Micheal because I somehow missed the last episode of Ken's social link, lol. Instead, I used Baal Zebul for resistance, and magic damage. I also used my level 99 Norn to destroy Thor with Panta Rhei. I also found out from another guide that The King & I theugy can inflict insane damage, when Elizebeth has Surt equipped, from 3800 to 4200. Once I got her to her 2nd phase at 1300, I tried to chip at it enough until she got to under 1100. At that point, I switched out to Aliat who reflects bash, lowered Elizabeth's defence, and reflected the fist to damage her below 10000. It broke the rules, so Pixie tried to stomp me, but I had endure, and finally finished off Elizabeth with Armageddon. Thank you again for making this guide, it was very helpful, and now I feel so satisfied for accomplishing this super boss.
If you don't have DLC or Orpheus Telos I have a video explaining how to defeat her without them as well! Check the description or the card at the beginning of the video!
I made to this boss on Merciless today and oh boy, this boss is the biggest bullshit that I ever met on a videogame on my entire life, unwritten rules WTF, I will drop this fight and just go to finish the game
Yes, but I keep it so I know when to switch to my persona with endure or enduring soul if I still have it, because if I don’t I’m going to die once she’s under 10k.
Your guide was really helpful especially the part about her having exactly 20,000 HP. Basically I started the fight majorly unprepared and I opened up Cheat Engine and Attached to P3R and searched for 20,000 and attacked her once which at that point I did 176 damage and I found the value 19824 and I edited that value to something like 1000 on my turn and I did Armageddon and killed her with no problem and I didn't have to do any of that other preparation that you mentioned in the video. I highly suggest this method for anyone that just wants to get past this Major Boss without all the Prep.
The no null, repel, drain that kills me every time. My go too set up includes quite a few personas with those on them. I guess I’ll go back with Orpheus Telos during NG+ Side note does beating her get you anything though?
You can still use them, you just have to be careful when you use them. Like if you use thanatos when she plans to use Alice, she will instantly kill you. But using him should be fine against the other personas since they don’t use dark skills.
Nebiros can also Debilitate. It happened late into the fight in P3 tho so idk if there's some rule to it. I got her to 10,547 HP and died to turn limit...I need to take a risk some turns to switch to stronger ele or phys personas because I only have an almighty boosted morning star orpheus telos (no almighty amp/MT boost) Doing it on hard mode with Lucifer's Blade, Unshaken Will chest (didn't farm armor or shoes of light), Shoes of Bane for Dark instakills, and Divine Pillar accessory (firm stance). Sucks because Unshaken will does not prevent Shock, Freeze, or Poison which loses you a lot of turns.
Could you make a video how you made each of these persona for the battle step by step with DLC Included Or just the two you suggested Where to get each item equipment It would be much appreciated Myself I have not maxed out every social link In my first play through I'll try to do it in my next play through
Had a strategy that involved tanking her jack frost's attack. Was able to dodge it/tank it without getting frozen for my first few attempts, the next 6 attempt ended with me getting hit and frozen. This fight alone has made me hate Elizabeth
OMG im on peaceful and i reached the second half and all im hearing is "I BrInG yOU MegIdOLan" dieing, reviving and another "I BrInG yoU MEgiDOLAN" ELIZABETHHHH WHYYYYY
Also one more tip secret scarlet does the most damage if it crits So auto rebellion apt pupil and crit amp + secret scarlet with 99 strength will give you 5.2k damage on merciless (idk if difficulty even matters considering it ignores resistance) And stack up on homunculus like get arnd 12 of them
What i find more funny about this fight is that Elizabeth only states one clear rule: you've got to go there alone. But then, in the actual fight, there're all these rules that you either follow strictly or she'll inmediatly wipe the floor with your ass.
Man do i really need to build so many personas from scratch for this fight? I have the compedium finished but my builds look nothing like yours, might be the first time I won't be getting 100% on an rpg
The fear I realized wasn’t the 9999 insta kill. The REAL FEAR is the slap BEFORE the insta kill. You don’t think of it as much until you’re already do dead. It least guarantee ONE GASP from the player if they slip up.
I just got to this fight and holy shit I am getting destroyed, this shit is not easy lol. Prolly one of the most complicated JRPG bosses I have faced. I might end up leaving it till New Game + when I have Orpheus Telos. I will defeat her eventually though! (also great guide, it's helped me get as far as I have)
Just beat her dude took like 5-6 attenps to figure out the damage numbers then the calculator did the job for me Did the same thing made a chi you and orpheus telos (wind damage) Worked like a charm i gave resistances to my chi you and used seperate persona for staring battle Also idk if i didnt watch the vid properly but the endure and enduring soul keep gettin wasted at the instakill attacks
@@thatburnttoast1749 Also id recommend having a physical persona Start off with scarlet havoc if it doesnt crit quit out try again And when shes around 13k start with scarlet havoc then use some other magic ability (assuming u had concentrate and charge for both skills) Also u do realise that weakness are a thing even tho it doesnt say it?
Didn't see it mentioned in the video, but High Counter counts as repelling damage. It was a way to skip her heal in the original game so I guess they accounted for it in the remake. Also, I think she gets mad if you have a full Theurgy gauge going into the fight. I started with Telos so didn't null any elements. I had Unshaken Will and Null poison on, but she doesn't use statuses the first turn and status ailments don't count for the null rule anyway so that shouldn't have mattered. I got rid of the Unshaken will and null poison and she still nuked me until I went in without full Theurgy.
hey dude awesome video! Was just wondering if you had a guide on making personas? Only when i tried to make a Lucifer with all 8 skills inherited to make it a passive opener, i could still only transfer 4 skills, and cant figure out why? wonder if you had any advise?
If you check out my defeating Elizabeth without DLC video that I uploaded a couple days ago I made some persons you can take into the fight step by step . Unfortunately you can only take up to 5 skills when inheriting skills.
This has to be one of the worst boss fights in videogames. The sheer mental gymnastics players are required to do in a fight that tells them nothing about the rules themselves is delusional. She cheeses you unless you beat her in one very specific way and the game never tells you why she cheeses you. I can guarantee you anyone who has ever faced her for the first time got a megidolaon one tap on their first turn wondering wtf just happened. If not for the internet nearly no one would ever beat her. She forces you to give away all your 80k yen worth of Personas and the game doesn't even let you get rid of them, you have to fuse them over and over until their numbers are few and make sure they also apply to every requirement, you got 1 forgotten persona with null or repel despite not using it against her? Tough luck get cheesed trying to figure out what you did wrong again. Only way to play this encounter is solo which already cuts in half all the game knowledge and mechanics and another 40% by cutting the majority of Personas and abilities that cna get you cheesed by her. I thought the twins and Lavenza where preety fun and challe going fights but Elizabeth was just a tedious grind I only did for the item and don't intend of ever touching again.
@@KDThreeSixty thank youu but im struggling with Elizabeth rn and i kinda wanna beat her before i beat the game and i didn't max out all social links T_T. This is going to be a nightmare but i won't give up!!
I don't understand what I'm doing wrong. I've followed all the rules, and she just goes straight for Megidolaon. I even faced her with just a lvl. 2 Pixie and she just uses Megidolaon. I'm starting to think she has a grudge against me.
I had a buff that deflects all attacks on because of a previous shuffle time, maybe you did too. Hope you get her, this is too much for me... Good luck!
This fight was dogshit back in FES, was dogshift in P3P, and is STILL dogshit in P3R, a legacy of trash. I hate how obtuse the rules are and how much time they arbitrarily waste, punishing you for doing exactly what works for every single other fight in the game, and I'd argue for most of the franchise. She is nowhere near as bad as any game that demi-fiend shows up in or lucifer in demi-fiends own game (whom funily enough also has a fuck you I now heal myself to full gimmick), but nothing beats just how utterly artificial Elizabeth's difficulty is tbh.
Trading on the antic shop give you item to buff your persona stat some are 2 level to something other are 4 idk if there a cap like 5 but there could be
I tried the Elizabeth fight on peaceful mode (I was farming reaper coins and forgot to switch it back to normal) and she ended me SO easily. All because I reflected a skill back at her... It's going to suck as well since I have five social links left to max before January 31st and I'm currently at January 14th which mean no Orpheus Telos for me. (For context the remaining social links are Chihiro at 6, Aigis at 2, Yukari at 7, Fuuka at 1(don't come for me ^^; ) and Hiraga at 6)
@@KDThreeSixty I'll be keeping an eye out for that video then. ^^; Besides, with the social links I have left I don't think it's even POSSIBLE for me to make Telos.
Man I was going in blind. Like most playthroughs. Only on the last week and have been more OP than my 1st P3P playththrough. Sad that I didnt know certain events that were not social links could prevent me from getting personas. I knew she was after the reaper but damn did I not know about any of these rules. Explains why I kept getting 1 shotted.
Did it. For some reason on my winning run she just barely if not ever used buffs/debuffs in her third phase. I didnt switch difficulty either, guess I just got lucky.
@@afizsouji There is none for me really, but not everyone will have firm stance on all of their personas like I did, so it could help them. I forgot to get the shoes of bane and I didn’t really need those because I had a bunch of homunculi to avoid instant kills. If you’d like the shoes of bane, you can get them on 11/29 from the tanaka show.
i got to phase 2, but i couldn't beat the damage check. i don't think my almighty skills are strong enough, do u have any tips? i don't have any almighty boosts
@@KDThreeSixty didnt see this but thanks for the reply, i ended up dropping the difficulty to normal, getting almighty boost and i was able to beat her!
yo shes at 15,024 hp and i have no theurgy bar and i heard at 13500 hp you skip the phase should i build up the theurgy bar or should i play normally and i also have enduring soul and endure
Is there really a 50 turn limit? I just beat her on hard mode without OT and I SWEAR I HAD to have gone over 50... If not, it must have beaten her on turn 49 😳😳
Some of your info is wrong. In peacful you can totally revive yourself and as many times as you you want, as long as you follow all the other rules she wont loop death you. I tested this last night. Also you can armageddon her if it either kills her or gets her to below half health the first time. Then she uses diarahan and enters her next phase
@@trickster9097 I think I had it passed down to Alice. It’s been a while so I don’t remember. If you look up the fusion calculator and use the recipe generator it will show you how to do it
For the Elizabeth fight, I know you can only have a single Persona with Enduring Soul and a single Persona with Endure, but if you had an accessory that also gave you Enduring Soul once per battle, does that also get used?
Phase 2 where you have to lower her HP from 13k to 10k in three turns is COMPLETE BULLSH*T!!!! - I left her at 13,100HP - I used Concentrate - I used Charge - I then used both Heat Raiser and Debilitate - Even with Morning Star and God's hand cast during the next two turns with maxed out personas, and all the Boost/Amp/Single-target, Multi-target Skills (except Crit) I dealt pitiful damage to her, like 900 and 1250 respectively It's impossible to pass this DPS check. Did she get buffed or something?
Do you have any tips for getting allmighty amp? I tried for an hour straight and it only mutated 4 times into other passives that werent almighty amp. Does the persona level matter?
Can someone explain why she just megidolaons me first turn? I don't have any "null somehting" in my equipment, I start the battle with "loki, chi you, thor" it doesn't really matter she just megidolaons forever. I think my game is broken.
i had outside elizabeth kill trash to load Armageddon, once started Armagd only took half her life, after that she killed me with just one hit, what can i do?😭
@@NoelQuo you can get skill cards for auto tarukaja and rakukaja from the antique shop. Auto sukukaja can get obtained from a rank 7 sword card in tartarus. If you want the party wide versions, you’ll need rank 11 sword cards.
Made the build pretty easily, as you are climbing the last block of Tartarus auto skips drop pretty frequently atleast for me they did using them you can then give chi you any other skill you require from him.
Your guide helped me a lot, I did the Cendrillon + Scarlet Havoc and made 15k to directly pass to 3 phase, then I used fuuka theurgy, concentrate, debilítate, morning star, and repeat it not forgetting the vulnerabilities, when Elizabeth used his final megidolaon, I still had enduring soul and I survived the i casted Armageddon just enough to kill her, it cost me like a whole day but now I’m OP
How much time would it take to inherit all the right skills to all the Personas? Right now I'm doing a run to unlock Telos and plan on doing Elizabeth in the future
If you just use the recommended perosnas it shouldn’t take that long. My personal setup took quite a bit more time because of me trying to get almighty amp and my orpheus setup. But just using the Orpheus Telos and Chi You setup should be fine
@@KDThreeSixty got her down to about a quarter of her mp before biting the dust. Maybe if I had more demons with Spirit Drain and Drain Enhancers I could pull it off.
I feel that my problem is that I still have the mindset of trying to have it all like you could in p5r. Also I struggled with knowing who to have or switch to. Additionally, I put it on peaceful and still didn’t help. On NGplus and I’ll probably recreate personas to have certain skills to make things good. My main one was angelic grace but gotta give it up.
I just tried and failed, I went with Helel, made her shift the pattern and drained her Makougaon... I don't think I need to do this battle hahahahahahaha. My life is already hard enough. 😂
I had to rebuild all of my personas to an only resist persona build (buffer/debuff, healer, almighty and multi element single target boost) all of them with endure, all of that in a ng+ ofc
@@Arlik703 you can still use thanatos in the fight as long as Elizabeth’s upcoming attack would bot get nullified, drained, or reflected. So if she used Alice next and you had thanatos out, she would instant kill you.
Nah, you can do it once you get to the final monad door and also beat the reaper to get the bloody button and go alone once she gives you the request to beat the ultimate adversary.
Okay these rules are annoying. I can’t use Thanatos who I made my strongest persona ever with almighty boost - almighty amp - spell master - morning star - resist phys but due to it repelling dark I can’t use it??? Come on bro…
@@KDThreeSixty is her skipping from surt to Thor in phase 1 a random thing or is it damage based? I hit her for a measly two hundred and she still skipped to Thor from surt
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This is the same girl who got stuck inside the jungle gym at the park
if we werent there she probably would've megidolaon the place
That’s it. I need to learn how to fuse a jungle gym now.
@@Pioxys So putting a jungle gym on top of her is the quickest way to defeat her.
I find it hilarious that Elizabeth just casually summons Pixie to use Megidolaon
She’s got those broken builds too
Fun fact, That's actually a reference to SMT Nocturne! There's a pixie that joins the main character in the very beginning of the game in Nocturne and if you bring it all the way to the end you can enhance it and give it megidolaon!
@@BigScrumbo That's why I create a Pixie with Megidolaon in every game where it is possible. 😆
@KDThreeSixty she just kept spamming that 😅 on me
Btw all of this Pixies costs are 0 SP.
I know cause I died 40 times in peaceful to drain her gigantic SP bar only to realize she casts megidolaon and diarahan anyways as a middle finger to the player.
Why don't we just let Elizabeth deal with Nyx? She would just murder Nyx.
i think elizabeth is only so strong because of the contract forged between makoto and igor, she probably cant force nyx to abide by her rules without a contract
No thank you. I got Tanaka to take care of Nyx.
it seems all the velvet attendants are op af, but why are they just chilling though 😅😅
Spoilers:
The avatar certainly, the real deal not a chance
@@patrinizer346”Nyx is the name right? Well one of my students and associates was telling me about how you were running this whole, “Salvation” thing. And I must say I’m not happy how you are running your operation. It’s not good for the consumers. That being said he sent me to talk to you, as well as convince you….”
the idea of designing a fight that requires you to look up strategies and the hidden rules is so ridiculous
True but it’s whatever
It's called a "super boss" for a reason. If it was a mandatory fight then i'd understand, but it's a completely optional fight so whatever
@@Seegrump it can be just a hard fight not a boss you gotta look up how to beat 💀
If you need to look up an outside soruce to beat the fight its probably not a very well designed fight@@Seegrump
@@Seegrump it is a bad design if you only can beat the super boss with specific way
on my 1st playthrought in any games, it always more fun if you play it blindly without any guide and figures thing yourself. The idea of all you 100+ hours playgame to only be walled by superboss that cant be beaten by bruteforce and only specific way made you feel like wasted all those 100+ h you spent man.
for example,
in octohpath traveler 1, the secret boss can be beaten by bruteforce but it took me 30-40minutes something to beat that, but if you use specific way you can beat that boss in under 10min
in dragon quest 11, if you bruteforce the final boss it could take 20-30min, but there is a way to beat that boss in 3min using specific way'
even in this video he made all the persona lv 99 with 99stats, there is no way regular player for 1st playthrough gonna do all those farming man
it was like they made fun of all the hours you spent to play as u wanted(build,persona etc) to be wallled by this stupid design boss.
I really hate gatekeeper boss like this. It made me feel all my persona build feel useless lmao. Can't have persona with drain/null while the boss can do 999999999damage using pixie, what a hilarious way to throw rock salt into your wound lol
This is why I prefer 5s velvet attendant fights. They don’t care if you bring personas with null/reflect/ absorb skills or a team. You will need it.
Atleast this one she’s not completely ridiculous… unlike her sister in portable
None of the attendants cared if you brought persona with reflect or absord
I greatly respect you for having done this entire tutorial and and even study her entire attack pattern. Great job.
Thank you I appreciate that a lot
i have not looked into this fight and went in blind with messiah assuming i’d do decent. she insta killed me with medidolaon, once taking out my enduring soul, the other killing me. i am only now realizing what i got myself into
It happens to all of us at least once ☠️
Same this just happened to me 😐
Same thing here. I never got to fight her in the Original version or the P3P. The Elizabeth fight vs the Twins fight is wild.
I willl not be able to defeat her this run.
@@KDThreeSixtySo the first time i tried fighting her blind i didnt even get a second turn. i went in with Satan as my initial persona and first turn i hit her with debilitate. Then she attacked with inferno and a physical. unfortunately she crit on the physical which dropped me and skipped my turn. then she opened with Diamond dust which was repelled by Satan and blocked by her immunity. then she immediately diarahan and hit me with a 9999 Megidolan. i literally didnt get a chance to do any damage to her.
@@lookwDamn that's bad luck
What a pain in the ass. The rest of the game I slept through, and then suddenly the most complicated fight I can imagine.
She is called the ultimate adversary
Finally got it..... on peaceful. Thank you for the video. There was no way I was going to figure out what to do on my own. @@KDThreeSixty
And here I thought the Demi-Fiend Super Boss in SMT5 was hard, but Elizebeth takes the cake.
You sound like a P5 fan😢
🤓 @@shawnnbits
Another option for footwear are the Shoes of Bane, purchasable from Tanaka on 11/29. These nullify dark type instant kills and Liz… actually doesn’t care if you do that because it’s an accessory. But this is perfect for not having to worry about Die for Me!
Yea true, If I wasn’t stockpiling homunculi, I would’ve used those.
Finally beat her. On peaceful tho
I swear, the rules are the real enemy. One time she froze me and then i absorbed her attack, then she shocked me and the same happened.
I too miss clicked by the end (like she'd 12000HP) and activated the 10000HP instakill without endure
Yeah it's so easy to make a mistake and die for it💀
I beat her on peaceful, too.
And this is without optimal personas setups, my setup was FAR from being tailored towards Lizzy fight, but i knew her patterns and how to adapt accordingly to her attacks and so on.
Ive seen people do major damages to her on Merciless with some of the best personas you could possibly fuse, but im not into all of these mutation rng shit nor spend hours pr days fusing personas spesifically for her fight. Regardless, its a win in my book and it sure was tough without optimal personas, even on peaceful.
To add, i actually did way lower damage than you did in this video KD on peaceful LMFAO. But i had to adjust the difficulty so i could atleast feel as if the fight was me carrying maxed out personas. Best in mind that alot of my personas had 50-70 en and ag.
Peaceful... Lol.
Yes, peaceful. Whats wrong with that?
Can we just talk about the fact that elizabeth has litteraly killed the mc when he looses the fight ? 💀💀
Nah like sis you just killed the only mf to stop Nyx 🤦
@@vosssanchez8042 BAHAHAHA TRUE
When I got to fusing Orpheus Telos, let's just say the only moves other than Morning Star he could learn were all Physical moves. This felt easier in P3P, because my Orpheus Telos there had Mind Charge (Concentrate) with Niflheim (Diamond Dust), Ragnarok (Inferno), Panta Rhei & Thunder Reign. It resisted everything & had elemental moves.
I was like: thanks for the heal then boom return to tatarsauce entrance
Finally beat Elizabeth.
I couldn't fuse Orpheus Telos, because I couldn't fuse Metatron, because I couldn't fuse Micheal because I somehow missed the last episode of Ken's social link, lol.
Instead, I used Baal Zebul for resistance, and magic damage. I also used my level 99 Norn to destroy Thor with Panta Rhei.
I also found out from another guide that The King & I theugy can inflict insane damage, when Elizebeth has Surt equipped, from 3800 to 4200.
Once I got her to her 2nd phase at 1300, I tried to chip at it enough until she got to under 1100. At that point, I switched out to Aliat who reflects bash, lowered Elizabeth's defence, and reflected the fist to damage her below 10000.
It broke the rules, so Pixie tried to stomp me, but I had endure, and finally finished off Elizabeth with Armageddon.
Thank you again for making this guide, it was very helpful, and now I feel so satisfied for accomplishing this super boss.
Glad I could help!
Died a couple times and came here curious to see how you would even begin to deal with this lady lol great work 🙏
Glad I could help!
2:15 That's literally my scream the first time she killed me with one shot...
Then on peaceful she fully heals herself to put more insult to injury lol
If you don't have DLC or Orpheus Telos I have a video explaining how to defeat her without them as well! Check the description or the card at the beginning of the video!
Loving the use of Disgaea 3 OST in the video bro
I’ll always find an excuse to
I made to this boss on Merciless today and oh boy, this boss is the biggest bullshit that I ever met on a videogame on my entire life, unwritten rules WTF, I will drop this fight and just go to finish the game
Mee too
Also I don’t think a calculator is necessary for phase 3 anymore because the final Megidolaon is indicated by a dialogue prompt.
Yes, but I keep it so I know when to switch to my persona with endure or enduring soul if I still have it, because if I don’t I’m going to die once she’s under 10k.
Thankfully there’s no trophy/achievement for fighting and beating her. I did beat her on Portable though.
Yeah, surprisingly you can fight her on your first playthrough
Omggg thank you for telling me there's no trophy that was the only reason I was gonna fight her 😂
Your guide was really helpful especially the part about her having exactly 20,000 HP. Basically I started the fight majorly unprepared and I opened up Cheat Engine and Attached to P3R and searched for 20,000 and attacked her once which at that point I did 176 damage and I found the value 19824 and I edited that value to something like 1000 on my turn and I did Armageddon and killed her with no problem and I didn't have to do any of that other preparation that you mentioned in the video. I highly suggest this method for anyone that just wants to get past this Major Boss without all the Prep.
I never thought of using cheat engine to do that ☠
The no null, repel, drain that kills me every time. My go too set up includes quite a few personas with those on them.
I guess I’ll go back with Orpheus Telos during NG+
Side note does beating her get you anything though?
You can still use them, you just have to be careful when you use them. Like if you use thanatos when she plans to use Alice, she will instantly kill you. But using him should be fine against the other personas since they don’t use dark skills.
Guess atlus got tired of our fun in p5 huh…
Nebiros can also Debilitate. It happened late into the fight in P3 tho so idk if there's some rule to it. I got her to 10,547 HP and died to turn limit...I need to take a risk some turns to switch to stronger ele or phys personas because I only have an almighty boosted morning star orpheus telos (no almighty amp/MT boost) Doing it on hard mode with Lucifer's Blade, Unshaken Will chest (didn't farm armor or shoes of light), Shoes of Bane for Dark instakills, and Divine Pillar accessory (firm stance). Sucks because Unshaken will does not prevent Shock, Freeze, or Poison which loses you a lot of turns.
Could you make a video how you made each of these persona for the battle step by step with DLC Included Or just the two you suggested
Where to get each item equipment It would be much appreciated
Myself I have not maxed out every social link In my first play through I'll try to do it in my next play through
Had a strategy that involved tanking her jack frost's attack. Was able to dodge it/tank it without getting frozen for my first few attempts, the next 6 attempt ended with me getting hit and frozen. This fight alone has made me hate Elizabeth
OMG im on peaceful and i reached the second half and all im hearing is "I BrInG yOU MegIdOLan" dieing, reviving and another "I BrInG yoU MEgiDOLAN" ELIZABETHHHH WHYYYYY
POV : This is what happen when elizabeth found out that you date other girl after you have a wonderful night with her. 🤣🤣🤣
Also one more tip secret scarlet does the most damage if it crits
So auto rebellion apt pupil and crit amp + secret scarlet with 99 strength will give you 5.2k damage on merciless (idk if difficulty even matters considering it ignores resistance)
And stack up on homunculus like get arnd 12 of them
What i find more funny about this fight is that Elizabeth only states one clear rule: you've got to go there alone. But then, in the actual fight, there're all these rules that you either follow strictly or she'll inmediatly wipe the floor with your ass.
Yeah I never liked hidden rules. Gotta waste time trying to figure them out
Man do i really need to build so many personas from scratch for this fight? I have the compedium finished but my builds look nothing like yours, might be the first time I won't be getting 100% on an rpg
No, I said you only really need two. You don’t have to do what I did
The fear I realized wasn’t the 9999 insta kill.
The REAL FEAR is the slap BEFORE the insta kill.
You don’t think of it as much until you’re already do dead.
It least guarantee ONE GASP from the player if they slip up.
I just got to this fight and holy shit I am getting destroyed, this shit is not easy lol. Prolly one of the most complicated JRPG bosses I have faced. I might end up leaving it till New Game + when I have Orpheus Telos. I will defeat her eventually though! (also great guide, it's helped me get as far as I have)
Telos definitely makes it a lot easier
Just beat her dude took like 5-6 attenps to figure out the damage numbers then the calculator did the job for me
Did the same thing made a chi you and orpheus telos (wind damage)
Worked like a charm i gave resistances to my chi you and used seperate persona for staring battle
Also idk if i didnt watch the vid properly but the endure and enduring soul keep gettin wasted at the instakill attacks
Dude I need help I have telos with fire and a chi you with heat riser and debilitate and I can’t do it bro
Did u stack up homunculus for instakill? And do u have endure n enduring soul? What abt the insta heal Accessory? And how are u dying
@@thatburnttoast1749 Also id recommend having a physical persona
Start off with scarlet havoc if it doesnt crit quit out try again
And when shes around 13k start with scarlet havoc then use some other magic ability
(assuming u had concentrate and charge for both skills)
Also u do realise that weakness are a thing even tho it doesnt say it?
Didn't see it mentioned in the video, but High Counter counts as repelling damage. It was a way to skip her heal in the original game so I guess they accounted for it in the remake. Also, I think she gets mad if you have a full Theurgy gauge going into the fight. I started with Telos so didn't null any elements. I had Unshaken Will and Null poison on, but she doesn't use statuses the first turn and status ailments don't count for the null rule anyway so that shouldn't have mattered. I got rid of the Unshaken will and null poison and she still nuked me until I went in without full Theurgy.
You can defeat her in firts playtrough??, i almost complete my persona compedium and got Armageddom thergy lol
Yes
Man this boss fight having hidden rules and needing specific skills makes it impossible to do blind. It’s just kinda boring
@@emergency.jergens I get that, idk what they were thinking. They had a chance to improve it and still didn’t
hey dude awesome video!
Was just wondering if you had a guide on making personas? Only when i tried to make a Lucifer with all 8 skills inherited to make it a passive opener, i could still only transfer 4 skills, and cant figure out why? wonder if you had any advise?
If you check out my defeating Elizabeth without DLC video that I uploaded a couple days ago I made some persons you can take into the fight step by step . Unfortunately you can only take up to 5 skills when inheriting skills.
This has to be one of the worst boss fights in videogames. The sheer mental gymnastics players are required to do in a fight that tells them nothing about the rules themselves is delusional.
She cheeses you unless you beat her in one very specific way and the game never tells you why she cheeses you. I can guarantee you anyone who has ever faced her for the first time got a megidolaon one tap on their first turn wondering wtf just happened. If not for the internet nearly no one would ever beat her.
She forces you to give away all your 80k yen worth of Personas and the game doesn't even let you get rid of them, you have to fuse them over and over until their numbers are few and make sure they also apply to every requirement, you got 1 forgotten persona with null or repel despite not using it against her? Tough luck get cheesed trying to figure out what you did wrong again.
Only way to play this encounter is solo which already cuts in half all the game knowledge and mechanics and another 40% by cutting the majority of Personas and abilities that cna get you cheesed by her.
I thought the twins and Lavenza where preety fun and challe going fights but Elizabeth was just a tedious grind I only did for the item and don't intend of ever touching again.
I can't really defend it
Ima be honest. I liked the twins or Margret better. This fight is way more complex than it needs to be
I thought I'm cooked cuz i don't have high counter (like in fes) but this guide helped me.. thank you
Glad I could help, also don't use high counter. She'll insta kill you
This is the endgame half of my team nullifies or drains
I love how well this is explained but i can't fuse for my life 😭 im trying so hard to figure these out
Don’t worry a fusing guide is coming soon
@@KDThreeSixty thank youu but im struggling with Elizabeth rn and i kinda wanna beat her before i beat the game and i didn't max out all social links T_T. This is going to be a nightmare but i won't give up!!
@@shirinak.1701 It’s ok this is a guide that doesn’t involve orpheus telos
@@KDThreeSixty Ooh great! Thank you so much!
Am I the only one who only maxed the social links of the Girl Friends and inting this fight because of lacking Orpheus Telos? lmao
I don't understand what I'm doing wrong. I've followed all the rules, and she just goes straight for Megidolaon. I even faced her with just a lvl. 2 Pixie and she just uses Megidolaon. I'm starting to think she has a grudge against me.
I had a buff that deflects all attacks on because of a previous shuffle time, maybe you did too. Hope you get her, this is too much for me...
Good luck!
This fight was dogshit back in FES, was dogshift in P3P, and is STILL dogshit in P3R, a legacy of trash. I hate how obtuse the rules are and how much time they arbitrarily waste, punishing you for doing exactly what works for every single other fight in the game, and I'd argue for most of the franchise. She is nowhere near as bad as any game that demi-fiend shows up in or lucifer in demi-fiends own game (whom funily enough also has a fuck you I now heal myself to full gimmick), but nothing beats just how utterly artificial Elizabeth's difficulty is tbh.
How do you get your personas to 99 stats?
I used cards from tartarus/the antique shop
Trading on the antic shop give you item to buff your persona stat some are 2 level to something other are 4 idk if there a cap like 5 but there could be
Also games, although they do take a day/night
Either incense cards or the arcade
games
I tried the Elizabeth fight on peaceful mode (I was farming reaper coins and forgot to switch it back to normal) and she ended me SO easily. All because I reflected a skill back at her... It's going to suck as well since I have five social links left to max before January 31st and I'm currently at January 14th which mean no Orpheus Telos for me. (For context the remaining social links are Chihiro at 6, Aigis at 2, Yukari at 7, Fuuka at 1(don't come for me ^^; ) and Hiraga at 6)
If you don’t feel like making telos I’m planning on making a guide to fight her without him soon
@@KDThreeSixty I'll be keeping an eye out for that video then. ^^;
Besides, with the social links I have left I don't think it's even POSSIBLE for me to make Telos.
What is the best way to get the gold quartz you need for the weapons?
Man I was going in blind. Like most playthroughs. Only on the last week and have been more OP than my 1st P3P playththrough. Sad that I didnt know certain events that were not social links could prevent me from getting personas. I knew she was after the reaper but damn did I not know about any of these rules. Explains why I kept getting 1 shotted.
Yeah I wish this fight gave you hints that explained why you died at least!
this whole fight seems ridiculous and stupid, its pretty much made for 0.1% of the playerbase.
Well it is the secret boss. Who else would go out of their way to put up with this?
@@KDThreeSixtyMe 😭
Did it. For some reason on my winning run she just barely if not ever used buffs/debuffs in her third phase. I didnt switch difficulty either, guess I just got lucky.
firm stance makes ali dance useless right? because you can't dodge anymore with firm stance, so why use the shoes with ali dance?
Because the shoes you use don’t really matter in the fight as long as your evasion is high enough. That’s why I kept those
@@KDThreeSixty what is the point of evasion anyway if you can't dodge?
@@afizsouji There is none for me really, but not everyone will have firm stance on all of their personas like I did, so it could help them. I forgot to get the shoes of bane and I didn’t really need those because I had a bunch of homunculi to avoid instant kills. If you’d like the shoes of bane, you can get them on 11/29 from the tanaka show.
Why did you use firm stance and Ali dance? Doesn't firm stance make it so you can't dodge attacks?
I didn't use the shoes of bane because I had a bunch of homunculi.There wasn't anything I had that could replace the shoes of light
i got to phase 2, but i couldn't beat the damage check. i don't think my almighty skills are strong enough, do u have any tips? i don't have any almighty boosts
Either use those, or swap to elemental personas since they cab do more damage with magic ability.
@@KDThreeSixty didnt see this but thanks for the reply, i ended up dropping the difficulty to normal, getting almighty boost and i was able to beat her!
Now imagine if theurgies could miss
Oh god ☠️
yo shes at 15,024 hp and i have no theurgy bar and i heard at 13500 hp you skip the phase should i build up the theurgy bar or should i play normally and i also have enduring soul and endure
Do you happen to have the full footage and fight? I need that upload
Of the fight? Yes, check the live tab on my channel. It's defeating the ultimate adversary
Is there really a 50 turn limit? I just beat her on hard mode without OT and I SWEAR I HAD to have gone over 50... If not, it must have beaten her on turn 49 😳😳
It could be higher, the guide I read said 50 turns so I went with it. 💀
My first attempt was hilarious. Makarakarn > insta kill. I was so confused lol
Some of your info is wrong. In peacful you can totally revive yourself and as many times as you you want, as long as you follow all the other rules she wont loop death you. I tested this last night.
Also you can armageddon her if it either kills her or gets her to below half health the first time. Then she uses diarahan and enters her next phase
Thanks for letting me know, I made the same other OG players did and assumed it worked the same way. My bad
How did you get morning star on thanatos??
It can be passed down in this game
@@KDThreeSixty from who tho??😭
@@trickster9097 I think I had it passed down to Alice. It’s been a while so I don’t remember. If you look up the fusion calculator and use the recipe generator it will show you how to do it
She deviates from her attack pattern to screw you over
What pettiness
For the Elizabeth fight, I know you can only have a single Persona with Enduring Soul and a single Persona with Endure, but if you had an accessory that also gave you Enduring Soul once per battle, does that also get used?
You can only use each of those skills once so it wouldn't work
Phase 2 where you have to lower her HP from 13k to 10k in three turns is COMPLETE BULLSH*T!!!!
- I left her at 13,100HP
- I used Concentrate
- I used Charge
- I then used both Heat Raiser and Debilitate
- Even with Morning Star and God's hand cast during the next two turns with maxed out personas, and all the Boost/Amp/Single-target, Multi-target Skills (except Crit) I dealt pitiful damage to her, like 900 and 1250 respectively
It's impossible to pass this DPS check.
Did she get buffed or something?
How are your persona's stats?
It I really don’t wanna change my Orpheus and Thanatos build is there another way I can beat this?
Do you have any tips for getting allmighty amp? I tried for an hour straight and it only mutated 4 times into other passives that werent almighty amp. Does the persona level matter?
I wish I could help, but I just kept at it until I got it. I can't believe they made getting almighty amp and magic mastery so hard.
Can someone explain why she just megidolaons me first turn? I don't have any "null somehting" in my equipment, I start the battle with "loki, chi you, thor" it doesn't really matter she just megidolaons forever. I think my game is broken.
You may have picked up a card in shuffle time that reflects physical or magical attacks. Do a battle against a random shadow and try again
@TheBrando95 bro that was nearly it.. I had ken's theurgy and didn't notice hahahahaha Thank you do much
How do get firm stance in all your personas? Is it from a skill card or via fusion?
Got it from fusing
I beat her only with support Chi You and a based elec build for Orpheus Telos. Thanks
Glad I could help!
That whole fight is so stupid because even something like high counter will count as "cheating" absolutely moronic
I really don’t wanna change my Orpheus and Thanatos build is there another way I can beat this?
What do you have on them?
I LOVE that you used Devil Survivor 2 Music. Some real Nostalgia right there thank you.
Those are my favorite SMT games
i had outside elizabeth kill trash to load Armageddon, once started Armagd only took half her life, after that she killed me with just one hit, what can i do?😭
For Orpheus telos can I replace firm stance with enduring soul?
Yes that's fine
would you happen to know how to get chi you with the auto skills? I can't seem to figure it out myself, and there isn't much online right now :(
I’ll try to make one myself and let you know how I did it
@KDThreeSixty Did you use skill cards? Because if you remember the block they came from, I can just grab em ezpz
@@NoelQuo you can get skill cards for auto tarukaja and rakukaja from the antique shop. Auto sukukaja can get obtained from a rank 7 sword card in tartarus. If you want the party wide versions, you’ll need rank 11 sword cards.
Made the build pretty easily, as you are climbing the last block of Tartarus auto skips drop pretty frequently atleast for me they did using them you can then give chi you any other skill you require from him.
Do u have to get through the previous monad passages aswell?
Yes since you need the cards from the other ones to get the doors open
I want to beat her on my first play-through but won't be able to max s.links in time. Is this possible without Orpheus Telos?
Yes, guide coming soon
The fucking disgea music was wracking my brain, I was like this is so farmiliar
I love disgaea music
@@KDThreeSixty such an underrated series fr, I wish they controlled better on PS5 bc I can only really bare the PSvita entries
I wonder how much of a nightmare it’ll be to fight her on Merciless
It's pretty annoying
Your guide helped me a lot, I did the Cendrillon + Scarlet Havoc and made 15k to directly pass to 3 phase, then I used fuuka theurgy, concentrate, debilítate, morning star, and repeat it not forgetting the vulnerabilities, when Elizabeth used his final megidolaon, I still had enduring soul and I survived the i casted Armageddon just enough to kill her, it cost me like a whole day but now I’m OP
Congrats! Glad I was able to help!
How much time would it take to inherit all the right skills to all the Personas? Right now I'm doing a run to unlock Telos and plan on doing Elizabeth in the future
If you just use the recommended perosnas it shouldn’t take that long. My personal setup took quite a bit more time because of me trying to get almighty amp and my orpheus setup. But just using the Orpheus Telos and Chi You setup should be fine
Elizabeths boss is actually so dumb I was about to use armogedden but she decided to use 2 megidolans in the same turn which instantly killed me
Gotta do it when she's under 10,000 health
Question: Is it possible to drain all of Elizabeth's mp?
I tried this when fighting her, but kept getting Megidolaoned before I saw any results.
That would make a funny video. Maybe someone will try it one day
@@KDThreeSixty got her down to about a quarter of her mp before biting the dust. Maybe if I had more demons with Spirit Drain and Drain Enhancers I could pull it off.
I feel that my problem is that I still have the mindset of trying to have it all like you could in p5r. Also I struggled with knowing who to have or switch to. Additionally, I put it on peaceful and still didn’t help. On NGplus and I’ll probably recreate personas to have certain skills to make things good. My main one was angelic grace but gotta give it up.
Btw I appreciate the video, I will definitely save this video and try to beat her on normal. Regardless, I’ve platinum the game anyway
@@JaStorm561 Yeah I can understand that struggle. I didn’t that that the boss fight would stay this way. But you got this!
I just tried and failed, I went with Helel, made her shift the pattern and drained her Makougaon... I don't think I need to do this battle hahahahahahaha.
My life is already hard enough. 😂
First guide I watch on Elizabeth's fight, WTF IS THIS SHIT I AIN'T DOIN' ALL THAT
I had to rebuild all of my personas to an only resist persona build (buffer/debuff, healer, almighty and multi element single target boost) all of them with endure, all of that in a ng+ ofc
Btw this without DLC personas is considerably harder
WTF, you never mentioned how to survive DIE FOR ME spell since that wastes my ENDURE.
Get a bunch of homunculus or buy the shoes of bane on 11/29
Yea fuck this fight I cant crack enough damage to get her to phase 3
Can someone tell me what happens is your persona nulls elements naturally, like how Thanatos nulls dark skills
she kills you, you cant null repel or drain no matter what. even counterstrike is not allowed
@@Hunter-ex2nlthanks, I’ll remember that for if I try this fight
@@Arlik703 you can still use thanatos in the fight as long as Elizabeth’s upcoming attack would bot get nullified, drained, or reflected. So if she used Alice next and you had thanatos out, she would instant kill you.
@@KDThreeSixty that makes it a lot easier, thanks
Welp, I’m fucked
I never thought of using a calculator for this. I won't be able to defeat her since I lack the Personas and abilities to do so.
Others have said that you don't need to. But I use one just to be safe
Are you supposed to do this fight on new game plus?
Nah, you can do it once you get to the final monad door and also beat the reaper to get the bloody button and go alone once she gives you the request to beat the ultimate adversary.
@@Wingingtie3 Ik im saying is it recommended
You can do it on your first playthrough if you want. It's still doable
Yea dumbest way to design a super boss. Good job though putting up with that BS👍
Is there, like, any reward for doing this? I mean, besides the fact of winning such a hard fight
You get an orb that nullifies every attack except almighty
How did you get almighty amp? It’s the only skill I’m missing on my Helel
You can only get it through mutation, but once you get it, you can pass it down.
Secret rules???? I was so confused why she one shots me 3 times
Yeah I hoped that they would at least give you hints in this version since this was an issue in the original game but they kept it the same.
Okay these rules are annoying. I can’t use Thanatos who I made my strongest persona ever with almighty boost - almighty amp - spell master - morning star - resist phys but due to it repelling dark I can’t use it??? Come on bro…
You can use it, just not on the turn she decides to use Alice, or she will instant kill you.
On phase 1 whenever I do a certain amount of damage she skips personas in the sequences and gets me instakilled😭
Yeah you gotta be careful
@@KDThreeSixty is her skipping from surt to Thor in phase 1 a random thing or is it damage based? I hit her for a measly two hundred and she still skipped to Thor from surt
@@velvet9453 it’s damage based but she usually only skips if you do a lot of damage