@@CottidaeSEA sure, if you didn't mind settling for some tramp from the back alleys of Varrock.. gold diggers hang around the duel arena and g.e so watch out for them, but the real prizes are at the party house in fally lol
Soup, I had no idea how much of an influence you had on OSRS. I went back in your vids to see for myself I can't tell you how much I appreciate your effort. I played RS since 2003 and when the changes came, I quit immediately. When the vote for OSRS happened, I immediately voted yes and played for a bit, but fell off after a while. I came back in 2017 and once I started watching content creators, you were one of the first I subbed to. I subbed cause you're a good content creator, but I had no idea you're also one of the people that hundreds of thousands of people on the nostalgia train should thank, so I'd like to say thank you for your effort to get the game we all love back.
I've literally just introduced a friend to OSRS. He even said aswell oh yeah i used to play that in primary school on miniclip hehe and the conversation from there just mirrored the whole intro of this video. Subscribed.
@@ekSil0 runescape plays us. We don't play runescape. I can't watch a youtube video or twitch stream on my computer without wanting to tab out to do osrs things. I do love runescape so I truly want to play it... Unlike league of legends which keeps knocking on my subconscious every now and then. League is truly "the game you don't get your friends into"
As someone with the 20 year cape in RS3, I can say that all my best memories of this game were from Runescape Classic. Before the game turned into a grind and a chore, it was just a fun game I found on Miniclip. I got to attack people anywhere in the game before there were "PVP worlds." I bought my first rune long sword from the Champions guild because at that time, that was the only place to get one. I got to witness BlueRose13x make the first ever Rune Kite Shield, which was a big deal because it was the best in slot shield and was only obtained through smithing...and then watched her become the first 99 smith. I celebrated with my friend when he saved up for months and bought a rune battleaxe for 900k, which was an unheard of amount of money to me at the time. I got to see the first ever dragon medium helmet drop from the the KBD. I got scammed for 200k buying what I thought was a Dragon Battle Axe but was instead a bronze one before they adjusted the colors and gave dragon weapons a unique color and picture. I was in the Varrock smithing hut with Zezima as he offered free smithing to anyone on his path to 99. I got to pick up Christmas crackers, Santa hats, and masks off the ground and give them away to friends because never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd be here 20 years later and they'd be worth something. I've quit Runescape now as of 3 years ago, with the exception of logging in for the 20 year cape. I transitioned to RS3 because all of my friends did, and they're all gone as well. This was a nice trip down memory lane, but a shame it didn't include RS Classic. I miss that game and the feeling of logging in to play with friends I've never met but felt like I'd known my whole life.
10:35 Ah, I remember the release of the summoning skill. It still baffles me that they allowed f2p users to vote on the skill and then made it member's only.
@@tygonmaster no I strictly remember that summoning was the first f2p/member skill in the game. They let you get to level 5 for a free pet. That’s how they’d getcha to p2p
When the abyssal whip first came out, the special attack would have a 50% chance of you hitting your max hit, or a zero. This was later updated and changed to a special attack that drained run energy.
I'm 34... just started playing again after almost 20 years... yeah my wife isn't stoked on it but... what's better then playing your favorite game when you're a kid? Playing it when you're an adult! Love you OSRS
So true. I remember hopping on a few months back and I was wearing a dragon chainbody. And a group of four players ran up to me making fun of my character which was so cringy. It’s just became a weird competition with a buncha nerds that prolly still live with their parents lol…
@@JayRM714 I remember back when I played runescape back in 2006-8 when I was 10. When I first played, lumbridge felt so mystical and everything. Hell, I even learned about being scammed in the game when someone tricked me into giving them 2000gp for bread. Hell, it's still one of my fond memories when I played back then. all the fires people started, while I was trying to fight goblins with a bronze dagger. Hell, when I got more experience in the game, my favorite thing was clan wars... I had this mage build that I spent all my time grinding for supplies to dump into constant battles. when they changed everything with the wilderness and including the grand exchange, I ended up dropping off slowly.
Damn, me and my granite maul would've never known such a thing. Truth be told, the obsidian cape I dressed my guy up in during that explanation was even a little out of budget for me back then. A whip was just a myth in my eyes.
That opening skit was hilarious. Hell, the whole video was. I love all the "documentary" type videos you've done, and am blown away by how much time it must take to put together.
As someone who never really played runescape, watching these vids about the history of rs makes me a little morose that I never got into it, but also happy that rs persisted through all these years. Thank you for chronicling this piece of modern history.
Playing osrs is like growing up as a kid It’s a great time while you don’t understand anything, you grow up, understand the game and realise what’s required
Hey my dude, Mahatma used to use the whip special as the whip special was different and OP at the time, it made it so the whip either hit the users max hit, or nothing, and was only 50%.
@@vanilla7389 Player numbers were at an all time high during the onset of the pandemic. Games tend to die very slowly, populations steadily dropping month on month, bolstered only by content updates. I think OSRS still has a good few years left, even in its current form.
@@vanilla7389 there are 2.1million active memberships according to jagex. its not gonna die we need a new skill though. something to be next big thing has to happen. innovation is needed and polling doesn't allow for innovation
I liked the minor graphical update from around 2009, mainly the animation variations. It was nice having more than a single animation cycle for mining. Oh yeah, actually having a skybox was nice too.
I missed the days where there was three frames for attacking. Prayer was such an impossible skill nobody would ever be able to get 99. No bots. Those are the days.
The absolute worse thing Jagex did with Evolution of Combat is not releasing Revolution mode with it. It could have helped players ease into the new system instead of throwing them in the deep end to figure it out.
I learned about runescape from my cousin when I was 5 years old, and just watching him run about castle wars made me want to play, and I have ever since. I'm 22 now, and my 9 year old cousin asked what I was playing, and I couldn't be asked to explain
Fun fact: There are numbers of players out there who has no idea what the plot and lore about Runescape. When people ask me I straight up tell them what the game is, what is it about, the community but most of all the I tell them about the lore.
It’s an odd hybrid between an MMO, an idle game, a single player RPG, and a point and click adventure game. ...which honestly covers both Runescapes, actually
When people ask about Runescape you are obligated to get a pen and some paper, draw the timelines and forks and splits and explain all of the development lore in under 2 hours.
I remember when I was in 5th grade getting five or six temporary library cards a day so I can keep playing RuneScape as much as possible, I ended up getting my parents completely into the game right in time for the membership so I've had a pretty good view of the landscape of RuneScape for the past 20 years. Loved the video still.
2007 was literally the best year there has been. Its weird since I've never heard any other generation so widely agree on a specific year being on top.
I actually really like that they poll for everything. Even the small little details. It feels very nice for developers to give that much communication and leverage to the player-base. You shouldn't take for granted a game that asks players about a change before implementing it. The Runescape transition to Runescape 3 and EoC as well as other changes are perfect examples of this.
He's specifically talking about the updates that you have the option whether or not to use and have no effect on balancing of the game, like colored armor sets that you can unlock.
When EoC beta opened, I learned the mechanics so fast that in the same day I started to obliterate player after player in wilderness with a Bandos set and a AGS. It's was the only moment in my Runescape history I was better than other players haha.
@@deathninja16 Rs3 (at least nowadays) has quite some mechanics that fit a lot better in PvP than switching gear and hoping for a lucky spec. But it's overly complicated and has problems.
@@deathninja16 As mentioned before, rs3 combat is far more difficult than osrs combat, which isn't hard because osrs is just point and click with a special attack. I find it completely baffling so many osrs players need to have this delusion about osrs combat being harder, it isn't and a child can see that, that doesn't mean you can't enjoy it tho.
@@taserrr I mean the skill ceiling is pretty high in OSRS. A new player will never be able to kill a veteran. Luck just isn't a big enough factor which is a good thing.
@@taserrr Ticks are integral to osrs pvp. You can just say "I suck at OSRS PvP because all I do is click a special attack." Trust you will loose every fight just doing that. You've either never done pvp or just don't understand it. The only pvp I can think that is literally point and click is obby mauling with 1 attack, but even then you would likely be bringing a range or magic switch; This actually got fleshed out a bit when warhammers got changed to only require strength and no attack level. Stacking someone out with 2 or 3 weapons takes a lot of time and practice as you need to land everything within 1 tick (that 2.4s time frame to do all your switches, all your prayers, all your magic) otherwise you're screwed and have lost your kill potential. You might be able to argue your point with a dclaw rusher, but there's a reason noone brings them. They are ridiculously expensive. In RS3 I can earn millions doing literally nothing but redeeming my daily spins as a f2p player. In OSRS many many items actually have value, from the oldest items to the newest. I could transfer literally just 300m in OSRS and have over a max cash stack in RS3. Money actually means something in OSRS and I just cannot say the same for RS3. No matter how many gold sinks they put in the game it literally can't keep up with how much Jagex themselves injects. RS3 has sooo many issues that coincide with pvp it's childish to think RS3 pvp is better in any way. To a new player, likely YOU, it looks simple. If you want to actually win fights, it just isn't. RS3 pvp feels like I'm using a handful of my 40 billion abilities to do damage AND you don't have to worry about combat switches. RS3 pvp doesn't get views for a reason, it is truly god awful and requires far less skill than OSRS. Stand in one place 90% of the time because you aren't trying to land an ice barrage and brid into a full range set, then immediately switching back to full mage to bait their prayer, then switching to melee and running up to them but not attacking to bait their specs (or speccing them out with veng if they do spec out). Hybrid and tribrid pk just doesn't happen in rs3. They are both point and click, maybe even more so in rs3's case where everything is on your screen at once. Your comment is literally a troll post from a noob who knows nothing of either game. Maybe take a look at the bigger picture before you spew brain damage in a comment section.
I played Rs from 2004 up until 2009, and last December came back to Runescape (3). I have a lot of amazing memories from that old period, and sometimes the nostalgia almost brings a tear to my eyes. I still think osrs is an excellent game, but i've played enought it. Rs3 is the breath of fresh air i needed to reignite my passion for rs. All the good memories from what is now known as osrs are still there, but I don't know if i could go back to it in 2021. Oh and my account was still alive after 11 years of not logging on, still the same character i used to play as a teenager, just with 11 years of missed content to catch up to :)
I really agree that, to some degree, OSRS should abandon polling every single thing. We don't need polled cosmetics, polled small quality of life updates, or polled balance updates. Polling big content is good, but that nearly always passes anyway.
I would not be opposed if both games collabed and made crossover content, rewarding the player for logging into both versions of the game. A Quest revolving around two parallel universes (OS & RS3) that requires you to log in between both games would be completely meta af. I imagine that this quest would be started by talking to the Barkeep at the Blue Moon Inn, (in either version of the game) who finally convinces you that his existential crisis may indeed have some validity, while also roping you into this unsettling rabbit hole. I think it could work as a short series where you hop between both games and slowly peel back the layers of reality, driving your player mad. On the oldshool side of this adventure, you try to convince the museum/digsite staff that in another universe, you are able to travel through a time pocket that brings you to Fossil Island during prehistoric times, known in that universe as Anachronia. Of course, they all dismiss you as a delusional mad man, so you have to do something drastic to prove your claim. The game then prompts you to log into RS3 to travel to Anachronia to 'plant' evidence somewhere on the island that you will find later in "Present Day" Anachronia, which is Fossil Island. Then you log back in to OSRS and find the very spot on fossil island to dig up your 'evidence'. Needless to say, the archaeologists are baffled. They still don't believe you, but they can't disprove what they are dealing with. They can't think of any possible way you could have faked it. From here, you can finish the quest in either version of the game, and here's where the end twist happens. A Dragonkin present in both versions of the game appears before you while you're alone, warning you to stop pulling this thread. "Cease this at once! You don't know what you're getting into." This only makes you want to pry even further! Then a few more quests spin out of the rails from here. You find out that several more NPCs in both games are also fully aware of the nature of their existence, and why they are staying silent about it. You start asking questions in RS3, like: "What ever happened to the Kingdom of Kourend? I can find nothing about it at the Varrock Library!" Reldo (who is also/actually Charos, spoilers) tries to convince you not to look into it, but with enough prodding, he relents and tells you why he singlehandedly tried to scrub all records of Great Kourend from the mainland's history. In OSRS, you set out to try to find the lost temple of guthix you explore during The World Wakes in RS3, but some agents put up heavy resistance trying to stop you because they believe your meddling will kickstart another God Wars, just like it kinda did in RS3. Your player is baffled that they know about this. HOW MUCH DEEPER DOES THIS GO?? Basically, that's my pitch. Literal Reality Shattering conspiracies that span both games! TELL ME IT CAN'T BE DONE! THE BLUEPRINTS ARE THERE!
Runescape is iconic. I'm 19. From latvia, Eastern Europe. When I was 7 my brother (9) and I would go to the day center where there were other kids, games and a couple of computers on which you could book 30 minute slots. Now that's how I discovered runescape, because the kids on those computers were playing it. So guess what we did? We booked our slots eventually in the morning and went to play runescape, sometimes for longer as no on was in que for the computer. Such emotional memories for me seeing the graphic of this game, as for me at that time, it was the greatest thing in the world for this kid who didn't have much else.
One of my favorite things about having the two games is what they can learn from each other. Lots of stuff in OS is similar to RS3 mechanics that worked well - but RS3 has taken some stuff from OS too, stuff that never existed in rs2 that are totally unique ideas to old school.
Still have to wonder how some of the staffers who worked on EoC feel knowing that so many people hated the entire thing that they had to bring back Oldschool.
Have a patch list where you can vote to remove changes, then when the next patch is released those items that were voted off are removed. You can vote immediately or wait until a cut off date before doing so. This way people will have the option to experience the change themselves before making their decision.
I keep flipping between osrs and rs3 because of the poll system. Everytime I jump into osrs I get into this feeling of nostalgia, of old high school me that grinded out like a madman. I love the osrs staff but then it hits me. I miss the excitement of new skills. Jumping back into rs3 and seeing archeology was huge and got me to stick to it. I think osrs needs like a big thing like a new skill to generate hype. I like the fact they poll and care but osrs is the biggest example of why design by committee doesn't work when a majority of the voting committee doesn't understand game design on a fundamental level.
I've played RS since '05. I have literally no desire to go back in time to play an inferior version of the game filled with bots. OSRS players are whiny neurotic babies.
The Warding skill not being passed was a huge red flag for me. People don't understand that new stuff HAS to be added to keep the game alive. OSRS was never meant to stay 07 Scape
As an avid RS3 player, I absolutely love OSRS content. Whenever I'm skilling I'll be probably watching OSRS videos, you name it: Iroman series, Area locked accounts, PVP videos and of course, love me some By Release. I starter playing RS back in 05, as a kid I was amazed at how much there was to do in game even tho i remained F2P forever... I once tried to buy memebership by literally sending money on a paper envelope, no need to say I didn't get it. Of course I told no one about this and still wonder to this day who on earth recieved an envelope with foreign money in the US. When I came back 5 years ago, I fell in love with RS3, the combat felt new, there was so much new stuff to explore, quests to do, bosses to kill... I even tried OSRS for a bit but it was too late, I didn't enjoy it as much anymore. From time to time I'll still hop on OSRS for a few days to try out some stuff but It's just not for me even tho it was the game that made me so interested in MMOs. I appreciate the rundown of memory lane, riots were so relevent. Also, thanks for not shitting on RS3 more than it rightfully deserves to. Just as you guys have a hard time with the slow updates and content we also have our struggles. Endgame content is ridiculously fun but the servers are not helping at all, getting lagged out and killed and having to pay a few mills becasue the server farted is a though pill to swallow, also MTX were running out of control a couple years ago, still there, but a lot more OK with them now. I've heard that Jaxeg is still hiring people with knowledge on Unreal Engine 3 so we might get a new RS game up to modern standards... and maybe, just maybe we can all enjoy the one true Runescape toghether again. Lovely content mate, keep enojoying what you do and the rewards it brings your way!
RS3 has its fair share of problems (MTX and dead content mainly for me), but I feel that even today it gets pretty unjustly shit on by a lot of the OSRS community. EoC was pretty messy on release, but now it's definitely a fairly competent system. I think a lot of people see it, refuse to try and learn about it at all, and then just call the game bad. I would know, because I used to be one of those 07 players that dumpstered on it all the time. Then Darkscape came out, I tried it, and then quickly moved to RS3 because I realized it was actually super fun. Plus it helped that I was still able to use the same account I had since middle school. I know a lot of people complain about "easy scape" and "free xp" but as an adult with a job and other things going on in life, getting a couple thousand xp in a skill every day ain't shit unless you're buying keys en mass, then you have a whole nother problem on your hands.
I've only ever played OSRS but I quit playing RuneScape altogether about 2 years ago. But since then I've watched many RuneScape 3 TH-cam series and I've gotta admit it's just an all round better game.
@@bransonallen2925 some people say that EOC is better now, but I just don't see it. To me it's still soulless, not runescape. Also it's clunky and the animations are sometimes far behind what is actually happening. It's like a bad mobile game.
@@schmidth EoC was an absolute shitshow on release tbh. a big part of this was the fact that older content just wasn't optimised with EoC in mind, and the combat system felt detached to the rest of the game. and yes, the animation delay and stuff are still wonky af, even today. but the overall system is much more coherent now. bosses and mobs use mechanics that are designed with EoC in mind. you have tons of ways to customise/enhance your weapons with "perks" that synergise with abilities. weapons and armor have passive abilities and special attacks that are integrated into the combat system as well.
@@schmidth Even a lot of RS3 players nowadays still think EOC underachieved and would want it replaced with a better one that doesn't rely on old and legacy aspects. Personally I feel the same way. I'd love it if EOC was replaced by a faster tick combat system with no point and click movement and no grid locked tile map, much better if RS3 went WASD.
this documentary was good, but one thing you forgot to mention that was critical to old school's development was the fact that a private server called 2006scape was being developed and the main reason for jagex releasing old school servers was to prevent competition, they still dont care about the players and it was all a money grab lol
There's so many things they could implement without breaking the game into evolution territory which would cause upset Me personally I would love if they implemented stuff that reflected the history OSRS has or even events which reflected what they tried between games just to bridge them a bit more. An event which allowed a player to enter portals to replay their reworks of tutorials (underneath the Lumbridge inn dragon etc.) for a reward.
I went back to RuneScape a few months ago after not playing since 2007 or 2008 (I realized while watching this that I was there for the getting rid of the Wilderness and free trade and never knew it happened) and I love RS3. To me it kept everything I liked about RuneScape and fixed the things I didn’t.
@@Dami2theMoon I miss it actually. I couldn't give it up now because there's some things I'd never get without it, and it makes it so easy to prepare for quests... But back in the day, I did everything for myself, and I didn't care about getting 99s, or even being efficient. I didn't even look up guides. I just wandered aimlessly and did what I found fun, and trained in the ways I enjoyed. If I wanted to get new armour, I had to mine and smith it first. And it felt good.
@@drunkenmmamaster419 That's the nostalgia talking, im sorry but OSRS is severely outdated. I've been playing for 16 years, i play both versions and RS3 is better hands down.
That awkward moment when j1mmy doesn't know about the old whip spec dealing your max hit or a 0. DDS for when you regen spec back to 30% or for pures where you could just spec a 30 30 4 times instead of maxing like a 35.
I feel an important thing to say is that they have an option in RS3 to allow old style combat w/o the whole EoC box and bar mechanics for combat, so you can still have that same nostalgic experience as before in RS3 but with newer features and content that RS3 has.
4:25 Quick note on the I Mahatma I clip: When the whip was initially introduced, the spec would actually either hit max (your max hit or the opponent's HP, whichever was smaller) or 0 (with a 50% chance of either occurring). With 50% accuracy, you very well could hit double max hits (as was shown in that clip), well above the expected value of two dagger specs (since that takes the same amount of time), especially on armor. The dagger was mainly there for the poison, IIRC.
I appreciate how these vids are more of a history lesson than simply just an opinion piece. My memory of the 2007-2012 era was fuzzy, but seeing clips of it unlocked a part of my memory that I didn't remember that I had! Great video!
I've played this game for 17 years. Whilst i've never been a pker (because i was always so shit) and i was rather a skiller but i have always loved this game. It's been so important to me.
Honestly, my favorite time of RuneScape was like after they released summoning, but before they released dungeoneering. That was my prime time of RuneScape back in the day. The original release of rshd, and before they started changing all the damn armor. I liked being able to go into the wilderness without fear of being just fuckin merked. Exploring and going out bossing and the fist of guthix. Such a great time
Here’s the thing, I’ve never played RuneScape. I like watching videos about it even though there are so many things I don’t understand. I never understood why RuneScape was the way it was, but this video helped me out a lot. Awesome history lesson, easy to follow even for someone who’s never played the game 10/10 would recommend to friends
I can understand that, the game is a mess of a thousand and one mechanics to learn that all intermingle cause we all focus on optimization instead of fun sometimes... suprising someone who doesnt understand enjoys the videos, but i suppose when half of them are more story than gameplay (which has always been true in runescape youtube, just its been evolved) it could be enjoyed that way.
Excellent video as always dude! I remember a while back, you said that you wanted to set the standard for what people should expect from content creators and you've definitely succeeded in doing so. It's always a good day when I see that you've released a new video!
@@ovasquezg23 its because pvp is boring it depends mostly on how much you can risk on gear and using the most broken stacking weapons you can get your mitts on. Defense has been nerfed to shit and weapons keep getting better and better. Also Duel arenas better gp/hr pvp, and pvm washes pvp on profit/hr while being mostly mindless.
@@GhostlyGhille Funnily enough, PvP is dead on RS3 for pretty much the exact same reasons. Doesn't mean there's no PKers, but outside of a few specific hotspots (like lava strykewyrms and revenants), you'll never find anyone.
@@AsianRailgun Thats because the player base in both games is smart enough to realize pking is higher risk lower reward than pvm. Only reason to pk is for content.
Bro... flat out you have the best advert on your videos of all time! I actually want to watch your adcert! Keep up the good af work! Ty for your service!
The first part of this video is genuinely one of the funniest things i have ever seen in my life. The way you acted perfectly as the 'random friend that doesn't know wtf runescape is'' was so funny to me man. I have had the EXACT same conversation before 🤣
Being able to participate in community voting over content is *amazing* and there are pretty much no other games that use the player base to decide what kind of large content changes will be implemented. Key word: large. We don't need to vote on fucking house skins and stuff. Thank you for yet another insightful and educational scape video, Jim!
Yeah, the problem is not polls. People act like polls are holding content back, but I'm fairly certain every polled quest has passed, and they're still only releasing a handful of quests each year (as opposed to 22 in 2006, or 29(!) in 2005). The problem is that the devs don't even seem to be working on new content - just poorly thought out changes like nerfing black dragonhide when its had its same stats for nearly two decades, or rehashes of existing content, like different TOB difficulties (and calling the easiest one a "quest"), or fighting six bosses at once. Anything that's optional and cosmetic, yeah, absolutely push it through without a poll. (And they certainly do plenty of non-polled things anyway, like screwing up the region music.) But for actual, significant game changes, keep the community involved.
@@Gamer2k4 honestly I think equipment rebalancing is important for game longevity and to make room for legitimately relevant new content. I don't really see why people are mad when the Nerf exists to make a slot for a new bit of content *shrug* that fills the gap.
@@Fresh.Tequi1a I get they are trying to minimize powercreep, but I don't think nerfing old content is the way to go. The only time something should be nerfed is if it is truly game breaking or actually not working as intended.
Wasn't the private server, 2006scape, a catalyst for old-school runescape as well? It was getting a ton of attention and runescape did not want players leaving to go to that.
I stuck with RS3 because I wanted to max at any cost. I didn't want to start over - I wanted to make it happen. It just... took... awhile. About 8 months ago, it finally happened, and I happily and quietly entered "Runescape retirement". Retirement lasted all of three months. After that, I booted up oldschool. I made a hardcore ironman - mostly only interested in replaying the f2p content for a hit of nostalgia over summer here (I work for a college - we've been out of session). ... I am now firmly entrenched in the game again, and it has been a dream. I feel like I've reunited with lost family. I feel at home, like I'm back where I belong - doing the things I love to do. Nearly a decade of festering bitterness towards Jagex has, in only a few short months, melted away nearly entirely. It is a good time to be a 'scaper.
I'm a veteran on/off since Classic, myself. It's kind of refreshing to hear an Oldschool player who looks at both games subjectively, instead of going on the "EoC bad, Oldschool good" hypetrain. (even if that hypetrain has died down a lot) Also, can't wait for Duel Arena to be removed! As far as I know, it is THE #1 cause of scammers, lurers, RWT, and other bad eggs. Back in the day, I was the best player in my school, since none of our parents wanted to pay for Member. And I had completed Dragon Slayer, so I got that Rune Platebody. Still remember all the cheering when I managed to slay Elvarg!
I still remember being in middle school, voting and freaking out about OSRS coming out. Running home after school so excited. Now Im 21 and just too busy to play such a Grind intensive game
I remember I invited dozens of friends to vote for osrs... And continued to play rs3 cause it was faster and I didnt have much time to play. Same thing 8 years later 🤣
@@SockLove which the players should understand. Bureaucracy always bottle necks innovation. But that’s what the community chose not saying it can’t change. Osrs will never be a game to pull in new players like crazy. It’s way to much grind for Snapchat, tik tok attention spans.
@@SockLove because you say, “the players care” when the system was in place originally due to the players lol. As I said that doesn’t mean it can’t change. Just saying there’s little point when the games not going to see significant growth like mobile and it’s a company.
I remember OSRS came up with the fantastic idea that we should have a new skill that allows us to create magic armour... It didn't hit 75% so they discarded it, huge mistake
i honestly loved the safe wildy (with rev's) and trade with a 75k limit. IT made sure i couldnt get scammed,it made sure i wouldnt get pk'd just trying to kill green dragons. I miss the 2008-2011 era
I literally just made a comment about that under a JMod's post in the reddit about the new update and got a few people telling me "shut up and go to rs3" lol Overall was received good though. I think majority wants them to take control of development and not listen to a vocal minority
@@Theviewerdude The problem is, they can't go back on their word or else the community would stop trusting them. If there's one thing the OSRS community agrees on, it's that the devs are pretty great overall and that they appreciate being able to decide how the game progresses.
"bots are the economic infrastructure of an entire country now, for some reason?" SENT ME. anyway, have you interacted with the venezuelans on your servers today? got me jajaja-ing in the chat con mi amigos.
Cant believe I listened to the whole thing, but I must say, as a person who has started playing almost 20 years ago, that I have recently made a RS3 ironman and oh boy is it fun, its awesome, overwhelming, but familiar and amazing. Great video
The largest single reason for the polling of OSRS was the hype behind 2006scape, those who have been here since day 1 remember. They got copyright claimed and shut down.
@@BelgianCat nah just he was explaining the difference between the different versions of runescape and him doing that at the end like it all made sense now, it just cracked me up.
@@BelgianCat the beginning had a skit where he's trying to simply explain how there's a runescape 3 and oldschool runescape, and then the skit ends and he explains how things ended up that way and at the end of the video the guy comes back and says ooohhh as if he was standing there listening the whole time
I was there during the come back period, where people were posting videos left and right to try and get Jagex's attention on creating oldschool, I signed the poll. Forever grateful to the community for making their voices heard.
@@belstar1128 No. I'm not saying they should put rs3 quests into osrs. I'm saying they should put up to 2009 or 2010 quests into osrs. Pre Eoc. Mostly because as a quester, there are a lot of storylines that went unfinished. The Dorgeshuun questline for instance, never got finished. The penguin quests, literally only just got started. The Rise Of The Red Axe literally ends on a cliffhanger and the badguys getting away. Because these aren't big quest lines they have gone years without being finished. Adding a couple more years of quests into the game would give these stories some much needed closure.
@@ELEcomments It obviously is annoying, but part of me has hope that these unfinished quest series are eventually going to get the Fremmenik Exiles and Song of the Elves treatment. Just gotta be patient until then.
It's so weird because I started Runescape around 2007 dropped shortly after the dungeons update, and moved to OSRS servers. Always found OSRS way more coherent than with the vast updates.
The consitution update riot has to be one of the stupidest riots RuneScape has ever seen. They literally multiplied everything by 10 and it didn't change a fucking thing except you did 0 damage less frequently. The average damage output was still the same though. It was almost no more than a visual update.
@@ChristianCTaken Yeah, it was honestly a net positive for the game. I believe the primary reason why people were upset is simply due to what Jagex had done to upset the community previously. It just made people afraid of change.
@@CottidaeSEA It's just funny that people got upset at an update that... didn't change balance, it just improved the earlygame experience psychologically.
RuneScape: Riots and also more riots
I love you settled. Settled: Also riots.
Jagex: does anything
RS Player base: REEEEEEEE
So... does that mean... that runescape is based in France? (knowing french love rioting)
We even rioted against you a few months ago xD
@@andobtw8046 he had it coming
10:58 I like your item: Empty sack
nice
Runescape is not a dating website
@@gregariousgaming6265 sounds like you don't have enough gp
@@nickpsilvestri Back in the day, 1k was all you needed.
@@CottidaeSEA sure, if you didn't mind settling for some tramp from the back alleys of Varrock.. gold diggers hang around the duel arena and g.e so watch out for them, but the real prizes are at the party house in fally lol
What a beautiful video, well done jimbo :)
Your clip in there had me cracking up
i LOOOVE da PUssAay
Soup, I had no idea how much of an influence you had on OSRS. I went back in your vids to see for myself I can't tell you how much I appreciate your effort. I played RS since 2003 and when the changes came, I quit immediately. When the vote for OSRS happened, I immediately voted yes and played for a bit, but fell off after a while. I came back in 2017 and once I started watching content creators, you were one of the first I subbed to. I subbed cause you're a good content creator, but I had no idea you're also one of the people that hundreds of thousands of people on the nostalgia train should thank, so I'd like to say thank you for your effort to get the game we all love back.
@@megamanxrs Same here mate. I didn't realize what a hero Soup is. It's so cool to learn that :)
@@megamanxrs my favorite era was following soup quest guides. Some where great, some where so frustrating. It was awesome
I've literally just introduced a friend to OSRS. He even said aswell oh yeah i used to play that in primary school on miniclip hehe and the conversation from there just mirrored the whole intro of this video. Subscribed.
introducing a friend to runescpae? psychopathic
It's like introducing a friend to meth ... they're hooked until death ..
friends don't let friends play runescape
@@ekSil0 runescape plays us. We don't play runescape. I can't watch a youtube video or twitch stream on my computer without wanting to tab out to do osrs things. I do love runescape so I truly want to play it... Unlike league of legends which keeps knocking on my subconscious every now and then. League is truly "the game you don't get your friends into"
@@96Logan stockholm syndrome meets copium addiction
As someone with the 20 year cape in RS3, I can say that all my best memories of this game were from Runescape Classic. Before the game turned into a grind and a chore, it was just a fun game I found on Miniclip. I got to attack people anywhere in the game before there were "PVP worlds." I bought my first rune long sword from the Champions guild because at that time, that was the only place to get one. I got to witness BlueRose13x make the first ever Rune Kite Shield, which was a big deal because it was the best in slot shield and was only obtained through smithing...and then watched her become the first 99 smith. I celebrated with my friend when he saved up for months and bought a rune battleaxe for 900k, which was an unheard of amount of money to me at the time. I got to see the first ever dragon medium helmet drop from the the KBD. I got scammed for 200k buying what I thought was a Dragon Battle Axe but was instead a bronze one before they adjusted the colors and gave dragon weapons a unique color and picture. I was in the Varrock smithing hut with Zezima as he offered free smithing to anyone on his path to 99. I got to pick up Christmas crackers, Santa hats, and masks off the ground and give them away to friends because never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd be here 20 years later and they'd be worth something. I've quit Runescape now as of 3 years ago, with the exception of logging in for the 20 year cape. I transitioned to RS3 because all of my friends did, and they're all gone as well. This was a nice trip down memory lane, but a shame it didn't include RS Classic. I miss that game and the feeling of logging in to play with friends I've never met but felt like I'd known my whole life.
damn what an emotional roller coaster of a comment
Yea man I don't comment on anything on TH-cam but this.... This... This is it
You ever looking to come back to Osrs? My clan can help you mate :)
Dope comment. Remember zez and blue. Man I miss classic
Not one word of that pedo comment was true. You literally copied and pasted it from another channels comment section.
my favorite item is monkey nuts
Jarvis is trying his best 😔
My favorite item is: Monkey Nuts.
I like your item: skin color choice.
Enthusiastic Aizawa critikal?
It’s so weird in the best way when two unrelated people I watch on TH-cam interact.
Love your videos dude
hey thanks man!!
Drew is here??? Omg
Drew X Runescape video?
Hey guy
Bruh not drew GOODEN COMMENTING SCREAMING
10:35 Ah, I remember the release of the summoning skill. It still baffles me that they allowed f2p users to vote on the skill and then made it member's only.
I know it’s been a month since you commented haha but I agree. I think they did it that way to have f2p change to p2p.
I mean you can train it to level 5 in f2p I guess 😂
@@UnsIiced Now you can. You used to be unable to. Members skills were members. Period. No training to 5. That was added later.
@@tygonmaster no I strictly remember that summoning was the first f2p/member skill in the game. They let you get to level 5 for a free pet. That’s how they’d getcha to p2p
@@IhaveAGamertag 100% incorrect you couldnt even receive charms until 2016
When the abyssal whip first came out, the special attack would have a 50% chance of you hitting your max hit, or a zero. This was later updated and changed to a special attack that drained run energy.
Yup shit was broken af
Yeah the gmaul was the same for a while then it got nerfed
@@Crewheals yeah I remember that, shit was double stupid
That Abby whip baby. Those things were 120 mil
@@giveittomebaybe5112 now they're 2 mil lol
I'm 34... just started playing again after almost 20 years... yeah my wife isn't stoked on it but... what's better then playing your favorite game when you're a kid? Playing it when you're an adult! Love you OSRS
I still enjoy playing OSRS from time to time, but it was so much more fun when we were all kids-teens who had no clue what we were doing.
So true. I remember hopping on a few months back and I was wearing a dragon chainbody. And a group of four players ran up to me making fun of my character which was so cringy. It’s just became a weird competition with a buncha nerds that prolly still live with their parents lol…
@@JayRM714 I remember back when I played runescape back in 2006-8 when I was 10. When I first played, lumbridge felt so mystical and everything. Hell, I even learned about being scammed in the game when someone tricked me into giving them 2000gp for bread.
Hell, it's still one of my fond memories when I played back then. all the fires people started, while I was trying to fight goblins with a bronze dagger.
Hell, when I got more experience in the game, my favorite thing was clan wars... I had this mage build that I spent all my time grinding for supplies to dump into constant battles. when they changed everything with the wilderness and including the grand exchange, I ended up dropping off slowly.
nahh, it was just more fun before youtube ruined it with it's efficiency guides and money making guides.
@@SENPAI.Popaii well yea, exactly
@@maxhydekyle2425 i'm dumb, lol.
Whip spec used to be a 50/50 shot of either max hit or a miss before they changed it to the useless energy drain.
Damn, me and my granite maul would've never known such a thing. Truth be told, the obsidian cape I dressed my guy up in during that explanation was even a little out of budget for me back then. A whip was just a myth in my eyes.
I bought my first whip for 44m ... When a party hat was half that ? Haha it was good. I prefer rs3 as it's less grind
@@why_wait The grind is the enjoyable thing about it all for me
@@SGLSingles rs3 is still a massive grind. Lots of skills go to 120 now
@@Tom21369 jeez lol. Yeah I don’t know anything about RS3 anymore. Last thing I did was get my chaotic rapier
That opening skit was hilarious. Hell, the whole video was. I love all the "documentary" type videos you've done, and am blown away by how much time it must take to put together.
The only reason I found this video was because of your comment on Soups video today. Thank you, I think I just found my new OSRS channel to binge.
@@d.j.casanova960 oh man, enjoy! J1mmy is one of the best there is.
As someone who never really played runescape, watching these vids about the history of rs makes me a little morose that I never got into it, but also happy that rs persisted through all these years.
Thank you for chronicling this piece of modern history.
I thought the graphics looked like ass in 2001 as an edgy teen, so I salute anyone who stuck with it as their main game all these years.
Playing osrs is like growing up as a kid
It’s a great time while you don’t understand anything, you grow up, understand the game and realise what’s required
something ive noticed.. old school GP holds its value better than my countries currency.. (CAD)
its such a grind because the original creators didnt think anyone would actually get 99
What's required is time and/or bots
Hey my dude, Mahatma used to use the whip special as the whip special was different and OP at the time, it made it so the whip either hit the users max hit, or nothing, and was only 50%.
I was gonna say this
Was gonna chime in with this, pk vids circa 2006 with nu metal were all about the whip specs
Thoroughly enjoyed this video and your take on OSRS content. Just release QoL updates without asking us.
Love your skyrim vids, nice to see you enjoy OSRS
I used to PK with Mayhem Makers back in 2006, your video is so heartwarming to see in 2021 lol I'll subscribe asap
I mean they don't have to ask the playerbase for anything. The fact that they even have polls is hella cool as it is
@@Resjek nice. I was with Team Unlimited
It also makes voting harder because you have to go through like 50 questions instead of say 10-20.
I hope osrs never dies, I just imagine Mod Ash still running the servers looking like the Wise Old Man
Lmao gonna rob a bank to fund the servers
im really scared its gonna die, the game is really not in a good place right now
@@vanilla7389 Player numbers were at an all time high during the onset of the pandemic.
Games tend to die very slowly, populations steadily dropping month on month, bolstered only by content updates.
I think OSRS still has a good few years left, even in its current form.
@@vanilla7389 there are 2.1million active memberships according to jagex. its not gonna die
we need a new skill though. something to be next big thing has to happen. innovation is needed and polling doesn't allow for innovation
@@007kingifrit The devs are relying on polls way too much. And the players are jackasses voting no just to spite the PVMers/PVPers.
I liked the minor graphical update from around 2009, mainly the animation variations. It was nice having more than a single animation cycle for mining.
Oh yeah, actually having a skybox was nice too.
Idk why people hated RSHD. I still wish there was an option in OSRS to turn it on lol. So much more pleasing than the old graphics
@@TheBorathon granted
@@TheBorathon
Nobody was hating on rshd bruh.
There was literally a riot trying to bring it back.
@@TheBorathon lol well now there is. Rl plugin has the hd option now
I missed the days where there was three frames for attacking. Prayer was such an impossible skill nobody would ever be able to get 99. No bots.
Those are the days.
The absolute worse thing Jagex did with Evolution of Combat is not releasing Revolution mode with it. It could have helped players ease into the new system instead of throwing them in the deep end to figure it out.
I dont even bother trying to explain what runescape is when people ask
I learned about runescape from my cousin when I was 5 years old, and just watching him run about castle wars made me want to play, and I have ever since.
I'm 22 now, and my 9 year old cousin asked what I was playing, and I couldn't be asked to explain
Fun fact: There are numbers of players out there who has no idea what the plot and lore about Runescape.
When people ask me I straight up tell them what the game is, what is it about, the community but most of all the I tell them about the lore.
RuneScape is the classic medieval MMORPG, and there's no other game like it. Don't need to say much more.
It’s an odd hybrid between an MMO, an idle game, a single player RPG, and a point and click adventure game.
...which honestly covers both Runescapes, actually
Its an mmorpg where you can live whatever life you want in a midevil fantasy setting...
When people ask about Runescape you are obligated to get a pen and some paper, draw the timelines and forks and splits and explain all of the development lore in under 2 hours.
Under 2 hours? That's the time it takes for me to stop ranting about Broken Home
@@ThatGuyHelm What's wrong with Broken Home?
@@ThatGuyHelm I liked broken home
2 hours? Huge xp waste
@@ThatGuyHelm getting that ring was absolutely awful and I'm still not sure if it was worth it
J1mmy describes it perfectly when he says “I don’t understand most things”
I remember when I was in 5th grade getting five or six temporary library cards a day so I can keep playing RuneScape as much as possible, I ended up getting my parents completely into the game right in time for the membership so I've had a pretty good view of the landscape of RuneScape for the past 20 years. Loved the video still.
The call to rally the troops and pure hype of OSRS release was my peak. Good times.
This was a fantastic video man. Loved every second of it.
means a lot coming from an OG!!
Oh wow, Mithzan. What an OG name.
OGS
The year is 2040. Jimmy's "graph" sells for $45m USD as an NFT.
I'd buy
@@TehAnimationSparxx of course you would
One of my favorite RS content creators - thanks for all your effort!!
thanks man!! ur a beast
Isn't thing the climbing boot guy?
Oh shit good to know logdotzip watches j1mmy
I didn't know logdotzip plays runescape
Miss your DKs guide
2007 was literally the best year there has been. Its weird since I've never heard any other generation so widely agree on a specific year being on top.
2007-2009 was easily the golden time of video gaming , nostalgic shows etc
I liked summoning. I'm sure we all miss our yaks.
Damn '07 huh the year I graduated high school and snuck into this cheap hole in the wall strip joint. Ohhh the good ol' days
agreed. 10 years old everything's good
2016
I actually really like that they poll for everything. Even the small little details. It feels very nice for developers to give that much communication and leverage to the player-base.
You shouldn't take for granted a game that asks players about a change before implementing it. The Runescape transition to Runescape 3 and EoC as well as other changes are perfect examples of this.
He's specifically talking about the updates that you have the option whether or not to use and have no effect on balancing of the game, like colored armor sets that you can unlock.
Players, as with any democracy, occasionally get it wrong though. There’s needs to still be a guiding vision that can see the big picture.
When EoC beta opened, I learned the mechanics so fast that in the same day I started to obliterate player after player in wilderness with a Bandos set and a AGS. It's was the only moment in my Runescape history I was better than other players haha.
That should speak volumes if it didn't take anything to accomplish other than gear. Skill is something I'm glad separates men from the boys.
@@deathninja16 Rs3 (at least nowadays) has quite some mechanics that fit a lot better in PvP than switching gear and hoping for a lucky spec.
But it's overly complicated and has problems.
@@deathninja16 As mentioned before, rs3 combat is far more difficult than osrs combat, which isn't hard because osrs is just point and click with a special attack. I find it completely baffling so many osrs players need to have this delusion about osrs combat being harder, it isn't and a child can see that, that doesn't mean you can't enjoy it tho.
@@taserrr I mean the skill ceiling is pretty high in OSRS. A new player will never be able to kill a veteran. Luck just isn't a big enough factor which is a good thing.
@@taserrr Ticks are integral to osrs pvp. You can just say "I suck at OSRS PvP because all I do is click a special attack." Trust you will loose every fight just doing that. You've either never done pvp or just don't understand it. The only pvp I can think that is literally point and click is obby mauling with 1 attack, but even then you would likely be bringing a range or magic switch; This actually got fleshed out a bit when warhammers got changed to only require strength and no attack level.
Stacking someone out with 2 or 3 weapons takes a lot of time and practice as you need to land everything within 1 tick (that 2.4s time frame to do all your switches, all your prayers, all your magic) otherwise you're screwed and have lost your kill potential. You might be able to argue your point with a dclaw rusher, but there's a reason noone brings them. They are ridiculously expensive.
In RS3 I can earn millions doing literally nothing but redeeming my daily spins as a f2p player. In OSRS many many items actually have value, from the oldest items to the newest. I could transfer literally just 300m in OSRS and have over a max cash stack in RS3. Money actually means something in OSRS and I just cannot say the same for RS3. No matter how many gold sinks they put in the game it literally can't keep up with how much Jagex themselves injects. RS3 has sooo many issues that coincide with pvp it's childish to think RS3 pvp is better in any way. To a new player, likely YOU, it looks simple. If you want to actually win fights, it just isn't.
RS3 pvp feels like I'm using a handful of my 40 billion abilities to do damage AND you don't have to worry about combat switches. RS3 pvp doesn't get views for a reason, it is truly god awful and requires far less skill than OSRS. Stand in one place 90% of the time because you aren't trying to land an ice barrage and brid into a full range set, then immediately switching back to full mage to bait their prayer, then switching to melee and running up to them but not attacking to bait their specs (or speccing them out with veng if they do spec out). Hybrid and tribrid pk just doesn't happen in rs3. They are both point and click, maybe even more so in rs3's case where everything is on your screen at once. Your comment is literally a troll post from a noob who knows nothing of either game.
Maybe take a look at the bigger picture before you spew brain damage in a comment section.
I played Rs from 2004 up until 2009, and last December came back to Runescape (3). I have a lot of amazing memories from that old period, and sometimes the nostalgia almost brings a tear to my eyes. I still think osrs is an excellent game, but i've played enought it. Rs3 is the breath of fresh air i needed to reignite my passion for rs. All the good memories from what is now known as osrs are still there, but I don't know if i could go back to it in 2021. Oh and my account was still alive after 11 years of not logging on, still the same character i used to play as a teenager, just with 11 years of missed content to catch up to :)
I really agree that, to some degree, OSRS should abandon polling every single thing. We don't need polled cosmetics, polled small quality of life updates, or polled balance updates. Polling big content is good, but that nearly always passes anyway.
weird that they poll dumb shit but than do huge unpolled changes from time to time that should 100% have been polled.
Tbh, they would be better off just releasing content then balancing around polls after the fact
Why the fuck is cosmetics in there. Cosmetics should never ever be added to runescape unless its a reward from a boss.
@Fralorgrafon this is such a stupid take
@Fralorgrafon evolution of combat was polled, played yourself on that one didnt you
I would not be opposed if both games collabed and made crossover content, rewarding the player for logging into both versions of the game.
A Quest revolving around two parallel universes (OS & RS3) that requires you to log in between both games would be completely meta af.
I imagine that this quest would be started by talking to the Barkeep at the Blue Moon Inn, (in either version of the game) who finally convinces you that his existential crisis may indeed have some validity, while also roping you into this unsettling rabbit hole.
I think it could work as a short series where you hop between both games and slowly peel back the layers of reality, driving your player mad.
On the oldshool side of this adventure, you try to convince the museum/digsite staff that in another universe, you are able to travel through a time pocket that brings you to Fossil Island during prehistoric times, known in that universe as Anachronia.
Of course, they all dismiss you as a delusional mad man, so you have to do something drastic to prove your claim. The game then prompts you to log into RS3 to travel to Anachronia to 'plant' evidence somewhere on the island that you will find later in "Present Day" Anachronia, which is Fossil Island.
Then you log back in to OSRS and find the very spot on fossil island to dig up your 'evidence'. Needless to say, the archaeologists are baffled.
They still don't believe you, but they can't disprove what they are dealing with. They can't think of any possible way you could have faked it.
From here, you can finish the quest in either version of the game, and here's where the end twist happens.
A Dragonkin present in both versions of the game appears before you while you're alone, warning you to stop pulling this thread. "Cease this at once! You don't know what you're getting into."
This only makes you want to pry even further!
Then a few more quests spin out of the rails from here.
You find out that several more NPCs in both games are also fully aware of the nature of their existence, and why they are staying silent about it.
You start asking questions in RS3, like: "What ever happened to the Kingdom of Kourend? I can find nothing about it at the Varrock Library!" Reldo (who is also/actually Charos, spoilers) tries to convince you not to look into it, but with enough prodding, he relents and tells you why he singlehandedly tried to scrub all records of Great Kourend from the mainland's history.
In OSRS, you set out to try to find the lost temple of guthix you explore during The World Wakes in RS3, but some agents put up heavy resistance trying to stop you because they believe your meddling will kickstart another God Wars, just like it kinda did in RS3. Your player is baffled that they know about this. HOW MUCH DEEPER DOES THIS GO??
Basically, that's my pitch.
Literal Reality Shattering conspiracies that span both games! TELL ME IT CAN'T BE DONE! THE BLUEPRINTS ARE THERE!
Runescape is iconic. I'm 19. From latvia, Eastern Europe. When I was 7 my brother (9) and I would go to the day center where there were other kids, games and a couple of computers on which you could book 30 minute slots. Now that's how I discovered runescape, because the kids on those computers were playing it. So guess what we did? We booked our slots eventually in the morning and went to play runescape, sometimes for longer as no on was in que for the computer.
Such emotional memories for me seeing the graphic of this game, as for me at that time, it was the greatest thing in the world for this kid who didn't have much else.
The first minute and a half of this video is exactly how it's like explaining runescape to someone who doesn't know what it is XD
Introduced the game to co-workers a few weeks ago, almost had the same conversation word for word lmao.
Did you finish the video? Because the entire thing was explaining runescape like it was to someone who doesn't know what it is
One of my favorite things about having the two games is what they can learn from each other. Lots of stuff in OS is similar to RS3 mechanics that worked well - but RS3 has taken some stuff from OS too, stuff that never existed in rs2 that are totally unique ideas to old school.
"I miss Old School Manscaped"
"You mean Manscaped Classic?"
"No, not exactly..."
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Still have to wonder how some of the staffers who worked on EoC feel knowing that so many people hated the entire thing that they had to bring back Oldschool.
Have a patch list where you can vote to remove changes, then when the next patch is released those items that were voted off are removed. You can vote immediately or wait until a cut off date before doing so. This way people will have the option to experience the change themselves before making their decision.
I keep flipping between osrs and rs3 because of the poll system. Everytime I jump into osrs I get into this feeling of nostalgia, of old high school me that grinded out like a madman. I love the osrs staff but then it hits me. I miss the excitement of new skills.
Jumping back into rs3 and seeing archeology was huge and got me to stick to it. I think osrs needs like a big thing like a new skill to generate hype. I like the fact they poll and care but osrs is the biggest example of why design by committee doesn't work when a majority of the voting committee doesn't understand game design on a fundamental level.
I've played RS since '05. I have literally no desire to go back in time to play an inferior version of the game filled with bots. OSRS players are whiny neurotic babies.
The Warding skill not being passed was a huge red flag for me. People don't understand that new stuff HAS to be added to keep the game alive. OSRS was never meant to stay 07 Scape
"Jagex is like a dog-walker, except they're like, damn I just .... lost two dogs" LOOL
I never realized just how complicated this damn game is hahaha
*Ingus*
Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding, dididing.
The Squeal of Fortune is a classic example of 'If you can't beat em join em'
I love how you roasted Jagex trying to get players back.
I'm subbed to almost every osrs content creator and no other upload get's me more excited then a J1mmy upload. You never miss my guy. Loved the video.
As an avid RS3 player, I absolutely love OSRS content. Whenever I'm skilling I'll be probably watching OSRS videos, you name it: Iroman series, Area locked accounts, PVP videos and of course, love me some By Release.
I starter playing RS back in 05, as a kid I was amazed at how much there was to do in game even tho i remained F2P forever... I once tried to buy memebership by literally sending money on a paper envelope, no need to say I didn't get it. Of course I told no one about this and still wonder to this day who on earth recieved an envelope with foreign money in the US.
When I came back 5 years ago, I fell in love with RS3, the combat felt new, there was so much new stuff to explore, quests to do, bosses to kill... I even tried OSRS for a bit but it was too late, I didn't enjoy it as much anymore. From time to time I'll still hop on OSRS for a few days to try out some stuff but It's just not for me even tho it was the game that made me so interested in MMOs.
I appreciate the rundown of memory lane, riots were so relevent.
Also, thanks for not shitting on RS3 more than it rightfully deserves to. Just as you guys have a hard time with the slow updates and content we also have our struggles. Endgame content is ridiculously fun but the servers are not helping at all, getting lagged out and killed and having to pay a few mills becasue the server farted is a though pill to swallow, also MTX were running out of control a couple years ago, still there, but a lot more OK with them now.
I've heard that Jaxeg is still hiring people with knowledge on Unreal Engine 3 so we might get a new RS game up to modern standards... and maybe, just maybe we can all enjoy the one true Runescape toghether again.
Lovely content mate, keep enojoying what you do and the rewards it brings your way!
RS3 has its fair share of problems (MTX and dead content mainly for me), but I feel that even today it gets pretty unjustly shit on by a lot of the OSRS community. EoC was pretty messy on release, but now it's definitely a fairly competent system. I think a lot of people see it, refuse to try and learn about it at all, and then just call the game bad. I would know, because I used to be one of those 07 players that dumpstered on it all the time. Then Darkscape came out, I tried it, and then quickly moved to RS3 because I realized it was actually super fun. Plus it helped that I was still able to use the same account I had since middle school. I know a lot of people complain about "easy scape" and "free xp" but as an adult with a job and other things going on in life, getting a couple thousand xp in a skill every day ain't shit unless you're buying keys en mass, then you have a whole nother problem on your hands.
I've only ever played OSRS but I quit playing RuneScape altogether about 2 years ago. But since then I've watched many RuneScape 3 TH-cam series and I've gotta admit it's just an all round better game.
@@bransonallen2925 some people say that EOC is better now, but I just don't see it. To me it's still soulless, not runescape. Also it's clunky and the animations are sometimes far behind what is actually happening. It's like a bad mobile game.
@@schmidth EoC was an absolute shitshow on release tbh. a big part of this was the fact that older content just wasn't optimised with EoC in mind, and the combat system felt detached to the rest of the game.
and yes, the animation delay and stuff are still wonky af, even today.
but the overall system is much more coherent now. bosses and mobs use mechanics that are designed with EoC in mind. you have tons of ways to customise/enhance your weapons with "perks" that synergise with abilities. weapons and armor have passive abilities and special attacks that are integrated into the combat system as well.
@@schmidth Even a lot of RS3 players nowadays still think EOC underachieved and would want it replaced with a better one that doesn't rely on old and legacy aspects. Personally I feel the same way. I'd love it if EOC was replaced by a faster tick combat system with no point and click movement and no grid locked tile map, much better if RS3 went WASD.
I remember spending half a year to get base 70's for combat on just chaos druids, good times.
as an iron man im drooling at how many ranarrs you musta got
@@007kingifrit I don't even remember but I think I made like 20 mill in that time period off of just herbs
As someone who hasn’t played this game for 4 years, this brought Back some great memories.
Awesome video.
this documentary was good, but one thing you forgot to mention that was critical to old school's development was the fact that a private server called 2006scape was being developed and the main reason for jagex releasing old school servers was to prevent competition, they still dont care about the players and it was all a money grab lol
watching this anxiously like i don't know whats going to happen
right. i knew every part to this video ive never seen
EoC gives PTSD
There's so many things they could implement without breaking the game into evolution territory which would cause upset
Me personally I would love if they implemented stuff that reflected the history OSRS has or even events which reflected what they tried between games just to bridge them a bit more.
An event which allowed a player to enter portals to replay their reworks of tutorials (underneath the Lumbridge inn dragon etc.) for a reward.
That would be kind of cool
"Heres the thing, you're gonna listen to me" when you put it like manscapped guy I guess ill listen.
you have no command over me *skips sponsor immediately to get to the actual content*
I went back to RuneScape a few months ago after not playing since 2007 or 2008 (I realized while watching this that I was there for the getting rid of the Wilderness and free trade and never knew it happened) and I love RS3. To me it kept everything I liked about RuneScape and fixed the things I didn’t.
Same I remember pre grand exchange also.
@@nicksmith-rz2dl pre grand exchange was a time to be alive,
@@Dami2theMoon I miss it actually. I couldn't give it up now because there's some things I'd never get without it, and it makes it so easy to prepare for quests... But back in the day, I did everything for myself, and I didn't care about getting 99s, or even being efficient. I didn't even look up guides. I just wandered aimlessly and did what I found fun, and trained in the ways I enjoyed. If I wanted to get new armour, I had to mine and smith it first. And it felt good.
As a RS3 player, I want to see OSRS succeed. I just like the game old or new
Osrs is already better than rs3 without trying
@@drunkenmmamaster419 That's the nostalgia talking, im sorry but OSRS is severely outdated. I've been playing for 16 years, i play both versions and RS3 is better hands down.
@@newax_productions2069 exactly
That awkward moment when j1mmy doesn't know about the old whip spec dealing your max hit or a 0. DDS for when you regen spec back to 30% or for pures where you could just spec a 30 30 4 times instead of maxing like a 35.
Ahh remember the good old days, where I had absolutely no clue and sold my entire bank and chop yew logs just to afford a Whip for 1,4m gp.
I played the games but I never "played" the game im doing a playthrough now
1.4m? damn thats cheap. I bought mine for 5M then got lured at the ardy lever for 4 dragon b-axes xD. Took me a month to rebuy my whip.
I feel an important thing to say is that they have an option in RS3 to allow old style combat w/o the whole EoC box and bar mechanics for combat, so you can still have that same nostalgic experience as before in RS3 but with newer features and content that RS3 has.
Medic! What are you doing here! Heavy is on low health and you need to heal him!
Yes you can turn on legacy mode to experience the old combat system but you be ,doing 10 percent of the damage everyone else is doing. Trash game
This might actually be my favourite video on youtube... i can't think of any other video i watch again at least once a month...
4:25
Quick note on the I Mahatma I clip: When the whip was initially introduced, the spec would actually either hit max (your max hit or the opponent's HP, whichever was smaller) or 0 (with a 50% chance of either occurring). With 50% accuracy, you very well could hit double max hits (as was shown in that clip), well above the expected value of two dagger specs (since that takes the same amount of time), especially on armor. The dagger was mainly there for the poison, IIRC.
The end scene had me in fucking tears. Keep being J1mmy, this shit is fantastic
17:23 Right in the middle of him talking about this I got an ad. Genius.
I appreciate how these vids are more of a history lesson than simply just an opinion piece. My memory of the 2007-2012 era was fuzzy, but seeing clips of it unlocked a part of my memory that I didn't remember that I had! Great video!
I've played this game for 17 years. Whilst i've never been a pker (because i was always so shit) and i was rather a skiller but i have always loved this game. It's been so important to me.
Honestly, my favorite time of RuneScape was like after they released summoning, but before they released dungeoneering. That was my prime time of RuneScape back in the day. The original release of rshd, and before they started changing all the damn armor. I liked being able to go into the wilderness without fear of being just fuckin merked. Exploring and going out bossing and the fist of guthix. Such a great time
I would honestly be happy if there was an option to use the oshd graphics. I have hard nostalgia for that
Here’s the thing, I’ve never played RuneScape. I like watching videos about it even though there are so many things I don’t understand. I never understood why RuneScape was the way it was, but this video helped me out a lot. Awesome history lesson, easy to follow even for someone who’s never played the game 10/10 would recommend to friends
What? Just play the game, lol.
I can understand that, the game is a mess of a thousand and one mechanics to learn that all intermingle cause we all focus on optimization instead of fun sometimes... suprising someone who doesnt understand enjoys the videos, but i suppose when half of them are more story than gameplay (which has always been true in runescape youtube, just its been evolved) it could be enjoyed that way.
@@spicysalsaking791 I’ve gotten roped into group Ironman so we’ll see how it goes
@@anniekim8990 me too, wont come out for another year or more though it seems
Excellent video as always dude! I remember a while back, you said that you wanted to set the standard for what people should expect from content creators and you've definitely succeeded in doing so. It's always a good day when I see that you've released a new video!
"The wilderness is gone"
Fast forward to modern day, we have free trade and it's still missing.
Is osrs dying again?I haven't played in a few years now
@@kingofracism Wilderness is not as active as it used to be, nowadays pkers are rare except in some hotspots
@@ovasquezg23 its because pvp is boring it depends mostly on how much you can risk on gear and using the most broken stacking weapons you can get your mitts on. Defense has been nerfed to shit and weapons keep getting better and better. Also Duel arenas better gp/hr pvp, and pvm washes pvp on profit/hr while being mostly mindless.
@@GhostlyGhille Funnily enough, PvP is dead on RS3 for pretty much the exact same reasons. Doesn't mean there's no PKers, but outside of a few specific hotspots (like lava strykewyrms and revenants), you'll never find anyone.
@@AsianRailgun Thats because the player base in both games is smart enough to realize pking is higher risk lower reward than pvm. Only reason to pk is for content.
Bro... flat out you have the best advert on your videos of all time! I actually want to watch your adcert! Keep up the good af work! Ty for your service!
The first part of this video is genuinely one of the funniest things i have ever seen in my life. The way you acted perfectly as the 'random friend that doesn't know wtf runescape is'' was so funny to me man. I have had the EXACT same conversation before 🤣
Being able to participate in community voting over content is *amazing* and there are pretty much no other games that use the player base to decide what kind of large content changes will be implemented.
Key word: large. We don't need to vote on fucking house skins and stuff.
Thank you for yet another insightful and educational scape video, Jim!
Yeah, the problem is not polls. People act like polls are holding content back, but I'm fairly certain every polled quest has passed, and they're still only releasing a handful of quests each year (as opposed to 22 in 2006, or 29(!) in 2005). The problem is that the devs don't even seem to be working on new content - just poorly thought out changes like nerfing black dragonhide when its had its same stats for nearly two decades, or rehashes of existing content, like different TOB difficulties (and calling the easiest one a "quest"), or fighting six bosses at once.
Anything that's optional and cosmetic, yeah, absolutely push it through without a poll. (And they certainly do plenty of non-polled things anyway, like screwing up the region music.) But for actual, significant game changes, keep the community involved.
@@Gamer2k4 honestly I think equipment rebalancing is important for game longevity and to make room for legitimately relevant new content. I don't really see why people are mad when the Nerf exists to make a slot for a new bit of content *shrug* that fills the gap.
@@Fresh.Tequi1a I get they are trying to minimize powercreep, but I don't think nerfing old content is the way to go. The only time something should be nerfed is if it is truly game breaking or actually not working as intended.
Wasn't the private server, 2006scape, a catalyst for old-school runescape as well? It was getting a ton of attention and runescape did not want players leaving to go to that.
Yeah i was thinking of that too
I remember 2006scape, used to be hyped about it
Sure was then it got taken down after a week or 2 of being live due to Jagex
isn't it still up tho? the website is still going
@@spaceballstheusername675 I have no idea what it's current status is but I believe jagex was threatening to sue
Oh yesss! Wife and daughter just fell asleep and Jimbo spoiles me on my 30th birthday. Lets goooo
Happy birthday
Happy birthday
Happy Deliveryday!
I stuck with RS3 because I wanted to max at any cost. I didn't want to start over - I wanted to make it happen. It just... took... awhile. About 8 months ago, it finally happened, and I happily and quietly entered "Runescape retirement".
Retirement lasted all of three months.
After that, I booted up oldschool. I made a hardcore ironman - mostly only interested in replaying the f2p content for a hit of nostalgia over summer here (I work for a college - we've been out of session).
... I am now firmly entrenched in the game again, and it has been a dream. I feel like I've reunited with lost family. I feel at home, like I'm back where I belong - doing the things I love to do. Nearly a decade of festering bitterness towards Jagex has, in only a few short months, melted away nearly entirely.
It is a good time to be a 'scaper.
I'm a veteran on/off since Classic, myself. It's kind of refreshing to hear an Oldschool player who looks at both games subjectively, instead of going on the "EoC bad, Oldschool good" hypetrain. (even if that hypetrain has died down a lot)
Also, can't wait for Duel Arena to be removed! As far as I know, it is THE #1 cause of scammers, lurers, RWT, and other bad eggs.
Back in the day, I was the best player in my school, since none of our parents wanted to pay for Member. And I had completed Dragon Slayer, so I got that Rune Platebody. Still remember all the cheering when I managed to slay Elvarg!
I still remember being in middle school, voting and freaking out about OSRS coming out. Running home after school so excited. Now Im 21 and just too busy to play such a Grind intensive game
Same, but I’m playing rs3 now lol
i used to work 14 hour days and had two jobs but i still made time to play OSRS. you have time you just need to balance ur life out in order to
I remember I invited dozens of friends to vote for osrs... And continued to play rs3 cause it was faster and I didnt have much time to play. Same thing 8 years later 🤣
@@otaviorbs exactly haha
@@otaviorbs We all wanted OSRS back for the nostalgia lol
"You can't really convince people to play this one" 15:10 i died hahahha
Hahahahaha mans had me crying from laughter in bed late at night just the sheer dumbness of that 07 goblin boy popping up
imo i think the osrs playerbase is really holding the game back.
Who cares if it’s such a loyal player base? It’s a game for the community.
@@IL_Bgentyl The players care. Literally everyone complains about the lack of updates, when they are also the ones holding the game back
@@SockLove which the players should understand. Bureaucracy always bottle necks innovation. But that’s what the community chose not saying it can’t change. Osrs will never be a game to pull in new players like crazy. It’s way to much grind for Snapchat, tik tok attention spans.
@@IL_Bgentyl Did you really just flame young generations while avoiding the what i said? lmao
@@SockLove because you say, “the players care” when the system was in place originally due to the players lol. As I said that doesn’t mean it can’t change. Just saying there’s little point when the games not going to see significant growth like mobile and it’s a company.
I remember OSRS came up with the fantastic idea that we should have a new skill that allows us to create magic armour... It didn't hit 75% so they discarded it, huge mistake
i honestly loved the safe wildy (with rev's) and trade with a 75k limit. IT made sure i couldnt get scammed,it made sure i wouldnt get pk'd just trying to kill green dragons. I miss the 2008-2011 era
People like you are going to ruin the game
Shoutout I Mahatma I
You're a real OG if you remember him and his videos. Dude put the Kaiser Chiefs on the map😂
I agree with you man, devs need to take a daring step and start making some stuff without getting c*ckblocked by the community
I literally just made a comment about that under a JMod's post in the reddit about the new update and got a few people telling me "shut up and go to rs3" lol
Overall was received good though. I think majority wants them to take control of development and not listen to a vocal minority
@@Theviewerdude The problem is, they can't go back on their word or else the community would stop trusting them. If there's one thing the OSRS community agrees on, it's that the devs are pretty great overall and that they appreciate being able to decide how the game progresses.
i love rs3, combat is great. i also like OSRS, love the design and the energy. great take
The Devs at OSRS is why I like it. Majority are pretty cool and actually listen
"bots are the economic infrastructure of an entire country now, for some reason?" SENT ME.
anyway, have you interacted with the venezuelans on your servers today? got me jajaja-ing in the chat con mi amigos.
Cant believe I listened to the whole thing, but I must say, as a person who has started playing almost 20 years ago, that I have recently made a RS3 ironman and oh boy is it fun, its awesome, overwhelming, but familiar and amazing. Great video
The largest single reason for the polling of OSRS was the hype behind 2006scape, those who have been here since day 1 remember. They got copyright claimed and shut down.
The “ooooh” at the end had me dying.
I'm out of the loop for that one, is it an inside joke?
@@BelgianCat nah just he was explaining the difference between the different versions of runescape and him doing that at the end like it all made sense now, it just cracked me up.
@@BelgianCat the beginning had a skit where he's trying to simply explain how there's a runescape 3 and oldschool runescape, and then the skit ends and he explains how things ended up that way and at the end of the video the guy comes back and says ooohhh as if he was standing there listening the whole time
Thanks J1mmy, was about to take a big fat shit with nothing to watch.
Truly you are a savior.
Hello big fat shit brother
I was there during the come back period, where people were posting videos left and right to try and get Jagex's attention on creating oldschool, I signed the poll. Forever grateful to the community for making their voices heard.
17:29 that ad placement was so unexpected that I expected it.
I liked a lot of the quests in 2008 though. I wish they would have included up till 2009 in their old school game.
Yea they should bring most of the rs3 quests into osrs but modify them so they fit better in the oldschool game.
@@belstar1128 Wouldn't say most, but having Corp without Summer's End is just damn goofy
@@0ffaI Right?
@@belstar1128 No. I'm not saying they should put rs3 quests into osrs. I'm saying they should put up to 2009 or 2010 quests into osrs. Pre Eoc. Mostly because as a quester, there are a lot of storylines that went unfinished. The Dorgeshuun questline for instance, never got finished. The penguin quests, literally only just got started. The Rise Of The Red Axe literally ends on a cliffhanger and the badguys getting away. Because these aren't big quest lines they have gone years without being finished. Adding a couple more years of quests into the game would give these stories some much needed closure.
@@ELEcomments It obviously is annoying, but part of me has hope that these unfinished quest series are eventually going to get the Fremmenik Exiles and Song of the Elves treatment. Just gotta be patient until then.
You can tell he's never played WoW when he said you click the abilities lmao
I've played Runescape for 20 years and rarely tell other people lmao
The beginning of this video was so spot on
Here, not as much... But only playing with a free account really limits how effective you can be at doing stuff in the game.
55 seconds in and I've literally had this very conversation
Soup is such a legend. Started the movement to get OSRS created and then makes the greatest osrs content series ever made a decade later.
It's so weird because I started Runescape around 2007 dropped shortly after the dungeons update, and moved to OSRS servers. Always found OSRS way more coherent than with the vast updates.
I feel ya j1m. I to lived through the dark times.
The consitution update riot has to be one of the stupidest riots RuneScape has ever seen. They literally multiplied everything by 10 and it didn't change a fucking thing except you did 0 damage less frequently. The average damage output was still the same though.
It was almost no more than a visual update.
Honestly the constitution update made earlygame combat a lot less annoying
@@ChristianCTaken Yeah, it was honestly a net positive for the game. I believe the primary reason why people were upset is simply due to what Jagex had done to upset the community previously. It just made people afraid of change.
@@CottidaeSEA It's just funny that people got upset at an update that... didn't change balance, it just improved the earlygame experience psychologically.
@@TheBetweenSkill More like that's what happens when a bunch of people pretend to know game design
No. Go to rs3. HP or nothing.
I literally have been wondering this for 4 years and this is the only acceptable format to learn the truth, thank you
I remember the addition of First of Guthix. That was quite quirky for sure 😂😂😂